Now that DEN has #12 and #18

[IndyColtScout]

what do you think happens?

OLB? Maybin or Brown?

The reason I bring that up is because I could very well see McDaniels go Dline early if not both times. NE wasn't afraid to go after 3-4 DE's, and is a premier position for when you are trying to build that new hybrid D.

Basically, what I am getting at is LE Tyson Jackson at #12 and RE Jarron Gilbert at #18.

I'm really intrigued if DEN were to make those picks. Go NT and OLB in rounds 2 or 3.

After the Cutler trade and all the off-season signings, I think DEN is very intriguing especially with how they are set at key positions such as LT and WR. With a couple of good draft picks, I see this being a NE coordinator that might actually get it right.

[Babylon]

2 of 3 out of Maualuga/Matthews/Raji

[FrankGore]

Maualuga and Jackson would be a nice haul, though I could see whoever they don't take at #12 getting taken before they get to #18. Replace either guy with an edge rusher like Maybin or Brown and they probably wouldn't be too upset.

[Matthew Jones]

In my next mock, I think I'll have them grabbing Raji at #12, and either Tyson Jackson or Rey Maualuga at #18. This is a great opportunity for them to build a young 3-4 defense. I also like Jarvis Moss (24 years old, former first round pick) at OLB.

[IndyColtScout]

In my next mock, I think I'll have them grabbing Raji at #12, and either Tyson Jackson or Rey Maualuga at #18. This is a great opportunity for them to build a young 3-4 defense. I also like Jarvis Moss (24 years old, former first round pick) at OLB.

I could see Dumerville being much better than Moss. I think maybe just maybe Dumerville could be the next James Harrison.

[parrish_lemar24DBSkins]

Denver needs a QB.

Orton and Simms aren't taking them anywhere.

[bhaarat316]

you watch Simms rock Mile High Stadium

[Shane P. Hallam]

And Orton does fit that system pretty well.

I think they go D-line at 12, and probably an OLB at 18, maybe even a corner if they like Butler or Davis (toonster verified this rumor for me)

[IndyColtScout]

I'm not so sure DEN picks Raji. The failed test will hurt his stock, and I believe Raji's teammate Brace is an underrated NT prospect.

Just think is DEN goes #12 LE Jackon, #18 RE Gilbert, 2nd round NT Brace... that's a good of a start at building a 3-4 defense from scratch as you can get. They are players that might be conidered better talents, but building a 3-4 line is very difficult. I think they got the picks and position to make some noise. Will be fun to see how they impact the draft. I think a trade down from #18 could even be a possibility.

[IndyColtScout]

And Orton does fit that system pretty well.

I think they go D-line at 12, and probably an OLB at 18, maybe even a corner if they like Butler or Davis (toonster verified this rumor for me)

Well, I here you on the CB but NE is notorius for playing lesser known CB's and having success. I think the Goodman signing teamed with Champ and nickelback Williams is not too shabby. They obviously need some depth at CB, but 3-4 DE's are very in demand and I don't see a whole lot of premier talent after Jackon & Gilbert. I think it would be very smart. Both guys look like solid typical NE DE's like Green or Warren.

[RaiderNation]

I think they go OLB at 12 ( Maybin, Brown) then DE(Jackson) or ILB( Maualuga, Laurninaitis)

[lordquas]

Sanchez & Vontae Davis

[DenverDex]

I'm not so sure DEN picks Raji. The failed test will hurt his stock, and I believe Raji's teammate Brace is an underrated NT prospect.

Just think is DEN goes #12 LE Jackon, #18 RE Gilbert, 2nd round NT Brace... that's a good of a start at building a 3-4 defense from scratch as you can get. They are players that might be conidered better talents, but building a 3-4 line is very difficult. I think they got the picks and position to make some noise. Will be fun to see how they impact the draft. I think a trade down from #18 could even be a possibility.

If we take Gilbert with the #18 overall my head will explode.

#12: Raji, Jackson, or Everette Brown
#18: Darius Butler, Knowshon Moreno, or best OLB available.
2nd Round pick: Gilbert, Brace, Best available safety

We could try to trade into #8 for Sanchez if he lasts till then. That'd be nice.

[Iamcanadian]

I'm not so sure DEN picks Raji. The failed test will hurt his stock, and I believe Raji's teammate Brace is an underrated NT prospect.

Just think is DEN goes #12 LE Jackon, #18 RE Gilbert, 2nd round NT Brace... that's a good of a start at building a 3-4 defense from scratch as you can get. They are players that might be conidered better talents, but building a 3-4 line is very difficult. I think they got the picks and position to make some noise. Will be fun to see how they impact the draft. I think a trade down from #18 could even be a possibility.

Gilbert is a late second/3rd round talent and will never see #18 in the draft. He's been way over hyped but it's all hot air if you watch him play.

[RWills]

Denver needs a QB.

Orton and Simms aren't taking them anywhere.

I dont think they go QB, McDaniels will think he has 2 guys in Simms and Orton who are similar to Cassell, he has an ego about him making QB's so I think he believes he can win with those 2. If not they they will have 2 #1's next year and I am sure he will want Tebow, the offense is similar.

[DiG]

in my mock im doing now ive got them taking raji at 12 and everette at 18.

[roscoesdad27]

1) when switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 the 4-3 d.t.'s usually end up being 3-4 d.e.'s so i think they dont need to go d.e. early if at all.

2) if malcolm jenkins and mark sanchez are both available then they will have a tough choice at pick 12....jenkins would be my front runner for d.r.o.t.y. if he goes to the broncos to play accross from champ....in the end i think sanchez would be a better choice but i wouldnt trade up for him.

3) dumerville and moss should do fine at olb with d.j. moving to the "feature" ilb spot...they need a "thumper" ilb and rey would be great at pick 18 if available.

[FlyingElvis]

Gilbert @ 18 might make my head explode and I'm not even a Broncos fan. Raji if he makes it and Rey. Either way I think the top 3 picks will all be defense - DT/DE/LB.

I agree with JBond about Orton. He played well in a spread O at Purdue and should excel in that style O again, especially with a solid QB coach and a great WR tandem - assuming Marshall plays this year. By no means do I think Orton is a great QB, but with some help on D I think Kyle will be good enough to make Denver look like the winner in this trade.

[Diehard]

3) dumerville and moss should do fine at olb with d.j. moving to the "feature" ilb spot...they need a "thumper" ilb and rey would be great at pick 18 if available.

I think you're putting a lot of faith in these guys. Dumervil can rush the passer, but the other aspects of playing OLB (e.g. coverage) are going to be a problem.

Moss is even more dubious. He's on the bust bubble - if he doesn't really flash something in camp, he's done.

I think first and foremost the Broncos want DL. The Patriots value the DE and NT positions highly, and I'd be surprised if McD felt otherwise. They've worked out a *lot* of OLB's and RB's, so it seems they'll look that way early as well.

[FrankGore]

Dumervil is small and slowwwwwww. He may have a knack for getting to the QB but I have no faith at all in him playing in space. And and Jarvis Moss could possibly be a fit, other than the small factoid of him being a bust.

They will need several years before they can put together any sort of complete front seven. They're going to need new OLBs, a ILB next to DJ, and pretty much an entire defensive line outside the hopes of Tim Crowder being a good DE.

[nepg]

Their only two needs are NT and CB. They have solid 3-4 starters everywhere else. If they don't like the value or options they have at NT and CB, I imagine they'll roll with Tyson Jackson (#12) and an OLB. Denver's 3-4 really doesn't look that bad...
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[keylime_5]

Sanchez and Maualuga ;)

[Texas Homer]

Maualuga and Vontae Davis.

I don't think they will take a QB until the later rounds.

[Splat]

What about Beanie Wells they did have him in for a work out they have bigger needs but who knows?

[bored of education]

What about Beanie Wells they did have him in for a work out they have bigger needs but who knows?

I dont think they will draft Beanie. Jackson, Rey, Vontae, Malcolm umm some other clowns

[FlyingElvis]

RB would surprise me. The depth at RB (even though they all hit IR last year) gives the Broncos enough to work with this year. They could get a 2nd round guy that should be solid and still spend all that round one capital on defensive needs.


^ Why you gotta pick on Floyd like that??? :D

[OregonDucks]

I would say sanchez, than cushing. If cush is available

[TT Gator]

I think they have to go defence with both picks. I know everyone wants Sanchez or Freeman at #12 but comeon. You think McDaniels wants to take another chance with a QB after all of this? Imagine if he flops? Orton and Simms can both start and if they don't work well they have 2 1st round picks next year in a much more worthy QB draft. I honestly don't think Denver would have included Orton in the package unless they thought he could start. I say go do what you were signed to do and fix the 29th ranked defence. B.J. Raji at #12 to play NT which is one of the biggest things they need switching to a 3-4. With the 18th pick I could see Vontae Davis or Butler at CB, a pass rushing OLB like Mattews, Maybin, Brown, and also a chance of Jackson at DE if he falls that far. If I was them i'd go Raji then Mattews which gives you a centerpiece and a pass rusher who can cover. I think if McDaniels gets a QB he'll wait to the mid-rounds. Remember Cassel who never even started in college was his protege so look for him to try to mold J.P. Wilson, Nate Davis, Stephan Mcgee, or another QB who he thinks fits his system after picking one of them up in the mid to late rounds.

[nepg]

I really don't think they bother with a QB. Orton and Simms both fit well in McDaniels' system and both are promising young QBs who've gotten it done with far lesser talent than what the Broncos are going to field in 2009.

Raji will probably fall out of the Top 10 (money), which could land him right in Denver's lap. Then they should have a lot of options at #18. CB would be the way they should look to go, but the value might be better for a guy like Connor Barwin (who isn't going to last very long) or one of the other OLB's (or Tyson Jackson if the Chargers and Jets take a pass).
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[rascal]

Their only two needs are NT and CB. They have solid 3-4 starters everywhere else. If they don't like the value or options they have at NT and CB, I imagine they'll roll with Tyson Jackson (#12) and an OLB. Denver's 3-4 really doesn't look that bad...

Lay off the drugs. They have needs at DE, ILB, and OLB as well.

[Matthew Jones]

Right now OLB is the least of their worries. They just took Moss, a pretty prototypical 'tweener, and Dumervil averaged 9 sacks a season over his first three years. Raji is the best case scenario - he's McDaniels' version of Wilfork. Tyson Jackson could be the Richard Seymour on the line (although not as good), or they could take Maualuga to give them a thumper.

[Babylon]

Right now OLB is the least of their worries. They just took Moss, a pretty prototypical 'tweener, and Dumervil averaged 9 sacks a season over his first three years. Raji is the best case scenario - he's McDaniels' version of Wilfork. Tyson Jackson could be the Richard Seymour on the line (although not as good), or they could take Maualuga to give them a thumper.

I'd say Rey and Raji, wouldnt mind partying with those two.

[Malaka]

If I was the GM of the Broncos I'd probably go like this.

12. Mark Sanchez QB USC

18. Rey Maualuga/Aaron Maybin which ever is there

[Babylon]

If I was the GM of the Broncos I'd probably go like this.

12. Mark Sanchez QB USC

18. Rey Maualuga/Aaron Maybin which ever is there


Sanchez will probably be gone, the other guy way too early.

[Malaka]

Sanchez will probably be gone, the other guy way too early.

Maualuga and Maybin are right where they should be IMO.

Sanchez might be taken, but that is a might, and according to 49ers fans he is definitely not going there, maybe the Seahawks but that is the only other team I see taking a QB before the Broncos.

[MURPHMAN]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned trading #18 and both 3rds to Carolina for Peppers. Identical compensation to the Jared Allen trade last year.

[B-Dawk]

raji and rey would by far be best case scenario

[rascal]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned trading #18 and both 3rds to Carolina for Peppers. Identical compensation to the Jared Allen trade last year.

Bowlen doesn't want to pay his salary, and you don't give the $$ he wants to a guy who has never played a position before.

[roscoesdad27]

with raji gone i have them taking jenkins then rey.

[nepg]

Lay off the drugs. They have needs at DE, ILB, and OLB as well.

Notice how "needs" was italicized in my post?

Sure, they can upgrade positions and add depth, but they have solid starters at every other position. They don't have an NT at all, and they don't have a #2 starter at CB.

Davis and Williams is a very nice duo at ILB, and Moss & Dumervill with Haggan is interesting at OLB (obviously, they need depth and other options). I really like Barrett & Dawkins at S (though they need to add other good options for sure). And at DE, they have a lot of surprisingly good, young options for starters.
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[SimonRath]

their D sucks.
thats all that needs to be said

[roscoesdad27]

their D sucks.
thats all that needs to be said

typical simon rath post...it's what specifically needs to be addressed that is the question.

[Splat]

raji and rey would by far be best case scenario

As a Chiefs fan I would hate for Denver to land both.

[FlyingElvis]

Raji may not make it to them at 12, but Tyson Jackson and Rey Maualuga would be solid options if not Raji & Rey.

[goblue8888]

No way Mcdaniels goes QB IMO.

[the decider13]

In my mock I am making, I have them ending up with Jackson and Maybin. Although I could see Vontae Davis in there too.

[LizardState]

It's all about stopping the run with the Broncos, they couldn't last yr. & every offense they faced knew it. That factor alone dropped them from mediocrity under Shanahan to a lower tier team. I'm thinking Raji or Tyson Jackson, an ILB &/or S who's a sure tackler. They have a lot of $ tied up in their corners & I agree with those here who say they actually don't need a QB though they paid too much for Simms who's a backup at best -- Orton has made his bones as a starter in Chicago, let him take the driver's seat, he would win the job in camp anyway. They could still blow their embarrassment of riches with multiple picks gathered from trading Cutler if they become distracted from their primary need, defense & more defense.

[armageddon]

Any interest in trading both #1's to the Rams for their #2 overall to take Sanchez ?

[stephenson86]

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32230

i have them taking cushing and jackson

[Babylon]

I think Cushing translates better to a 4-3 OLB (Texans or Saints). Would think Matthews, Maybin or Brown would get some serious interest there.

[stephenson86]

I think Cushing translates better to a 4-3 OLB (Texans or Saints). Would think Matthews, Maybin or Brown would get some serious interest there.

I think Cush offers some versatility at the position and they are in dyer need of an ILB in their LB core

[nepg]

They're not in dire need of an ILB. They brought in Andre Davis who's a solid starter. Cushing would be nice in that he can play either inside or outside in a 3-4. So can Clint Sintim. So I do like Cushing a lot for Denver. I like Dumervill, Moss, and Haggans, but the Broncos need some insurance at OLB.

With Raji probably back in the Top 10, I think Denver rolls with a CB and a BPA (probably a LB).
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[stephenson86]

it will be interesting, i just like cushings versatility and his blue collar attitude think he will be a leader for the defense over the years

[Texas Homer]

I saw a Mock today with them getting Maualuga and Cushing. Who knows??

[Babylon]

I saw a Mock today with them getting Maualuga and Cushing. Who knows??


They said they wouldnt go there without Matthews going with them:)

[SaintsMan]

They'll probably go Jenkins at 12 if he falls and crush the hearts of Saints fans everywhere. MJ and Champ Baily will be a nice CB tandem

[Chief49er]

Defense, running back and/or a QB if the guy they want drops.

[Nalej]

Broncos to swap picks with Jags?

Mike Klis of the Denver Post took a look at his handy draft value chart, and noticed that there could be a great way for the Denver Broncos to ensure that they get "their guy" in the first round: a trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
The Jags' first pick is at No. 8 overall, which has a value on the chart equal to 1400 points. The Broncos are slotted to make their first selection at No. 12, a pick that has 1200 points. But the Broncos are in possession of some extra picks thanks to the Jay Cutler trade, and could sacrifice the No. 79 overall selection, a pick that charts out to 195 points. While this is not quite an equivalent value swap, it's extremely close.

The Broncos had one of the most porous defensive units in the league in 2008, a group that was much more responsible for keeping the team out of the playoffs than anything else. They'll be installing a 3-4 scheme in 2009, and two of the draft's top prospects would be greatly beneficial in this effort. Boston College's B.J. Raji, whose suspected positive drug test has not been officially confirmed by anyone from the NFL, is the best available player to line up at nose tackle in a 3-4, while Texas' Brian Orakpo is a pass-rushing specialist who would thrive in a hybrid defensive end/outside linebacker role in a 3-4. There have also been some rumors that Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders have their eyes on USC's Mark Sanchez, and are angling at trading up in order to put themselves in the best position to draft him.

For a team with as many needs as the Jaguars, it might help the team both in the short- and long-term to secure an additional third round selection. The team has nine picks in the draft's seven rounds, but the extra two are both compensatory picks that will be taken at the end of the final round. Additionally, the Jaguars' greatest need is wide receiver, and by moving down from No. 8 to No. 12, they won't be putting themselves in any worse position to grab Michael Crabtree or Jeremy Maclin, considering the teams at 9, 10 and 11 -- the Green Bay Packers, San Francisco 49ers and Buffalo Bills -- are not thought to be looking to receiver in this draft.


-ESPN Rumor

[TT Gator]

I'm sorry but McDaniels is even more of an idiot than I already thought he was if he trades both first round picks for Sanchez. The guy just doesn't learn I mean fix the 29th ranked defence and if you want a QB to develop get one in the 4th-7th rounds. I know everyone thinks Sanchez' crap don't stink but if they do this then their pretty much in the same position as last year but with one year wonder Sanchez at the helm instead of Cutler. Rounds 1-2 should be defence and RB is the only offenceive position I could see in the 3rd. Here's how it should go depending on if Raji is at 12 or not. If he is draft Raji at #12 then get Jackson at 18 or if he's gone pick Robert Ayers who I think is big enough to play the five-technique. Then in the 2nd pick up a CB like D.J. Moore, Sean Smith, or Alphonso Smith or a pass rusher at OLB like Kruger or Johnson but I say go CB. In the 3rd get either a safety like Patrick Chung or Chip Vaughn or draft RB since they have no real impact player there. If they miss Raji then they have to draft Jackson at 12 and a pass rusher at 18 like Mattews or Maybin since Jerry doesn't really fit the NT mold. Then they get Ron Brace in the 2nd and finish it off in the 3rd with David Bruton who can play CB or S. They could also go for a CB at number 18 so they can get a RB in the 3rd but I think theres value at RB going into the 4th and 5th rounds.

[roscoesdad27]

I'm sorry but McDaniels is even more of an idiot than I already thought he was if he trades both first round picks for Sanchez.
the rumor is picks 12 and 79, not both first round picks.

The guy just doesn't learn I mean fix the 29th ranked defence and if you want a QB to develop get one in the 4th-7th rounds. I know everyone thinks Sanchez' crap don't stink but if they do this then their pretty much in the same position as last year but with one year wonder Sanchez at the helm instead of Cutler. Rounds 1-2 should be defence and RB is the only offenceive position I could see in the 3rd.
I agree with you 100% here but I also think it would be a great idea to trade up for raji with picks 12 and 79. He's by far the best n.t. in this draft and n.t. is by far your biggest need and most important position to fill when converting...if raji is there and jax is willing then I think this would be an excellent trade for both teams. You would still get 4 picks in the first 3 rounds, including 2 first rounders. Raji wont make it past g.b. or s.f., if he makes it past oakland and jax so a trade up is the only way to get him imho.

Here's how it should go depending on if Raji is at 12 or not. If he is draft Raji at #12 then get Jackson at 18 or if he's gone pick Robert Ayers who I think is big enough to play the five-technique. Then in the 2nd pick up a CB like D.J. Moore, Sean Smith, or Alphonso Smith or a pass rusher at OLB like Kruger or Johnson but I say go CB. In the 3rd get either a safety like Patrick Chung or Chip Vaughn or draft RB since they have no real impact player there. If they miss Raji then they have to draft Jackson at 12 and a pass rusher at 18 like Mattews or Maybin since Jerry doesn't really fit the NT mold. Then they get Ron Brace in the 2nd and finish it off in the 3rd with David Bruton who can play CB or S. They could also go for a CB at number 18 so they can get a RB in the 3rd but I think theres value at RB going into the 4th and 5th rounds.

1) raji wont be there at 12 so trading up is the only way to get him....also brace wont be there by the time you pick in the second.

2) I dont think you guys need any d.e.'s because your d.t.'s will be converting...what you need is a true nose tackle because you dont have one.

3) with the dawkins signing i think youcan wait till next year to get a safety...one for insurance in the later rounds wouldnt be bad but it isnt quite the priority as it was pre dawkins.

with all that said i will give you 2 scenerios using my mock...A is with no trade...B is with proposed trade with jax for raji...in my mock oakland takes raji so this trade wouldnt work but hypothetically speaking I like B MUCH better.

A
12) malcolm jenkins c.b.
18) rey maulaluga
48) chris baker n.t. (a bit of a reach but a neccassary one considering the huge need)
79) cody brown olb
84) andre brown r.b.

B
8) b.j. raji
18) rey maulaluga
48) clay matthews (he's available at that point in my mock)
84) mike mickins or mark parson c.b.'s

[Texas Homer]

I'm still thinking CB and then LB.

I'm a Texans fan, but I do like the Broncos.

[Iamcanadian]

I don't see the slighest chance Denver drafts Jenkins. He cannot play in a man to man defense and would be forced to switch to S if Denver drafts him.
The same goes for NO. Only a Cover 2 team will be interested in Jenkins as a CB.

[roscoesdad27]

I don't see the slighest chance Denver drafts Jenkins. He cannot play in a man to man defense and would be forced to switch to S if Denver drafts him.
The same goes for NO. Only a Cover 2 team will be interested in Jenkins as a CB.

wrong...he more than makes up for his relative lack of long speed by being extremly physical at the l.o.s., very smooth hips, flawless technique and uncoachable instincts...dont forget he ran the fastest cone drill at the combine and faster than any of last years corners as well!...also champ is a lock down corner which will allow the free safety to cheat to jenkins side allowing him to ball hawk the short and intermediate routes, just because they dont run much cover 2 doesnt mean they dont run alot of cover 1....jenkins is ideal for denver and an ideal partner for champ.

[Iamcanadian]

I'm sorry but McDaniels is even more of an idiot than I already thought he was if he trades both first round picks for Sanchez. The guy just doesn't learn I mean fix the 29th ranked defence and if you want a QB to develop get one in the 4th-7th rounds. I know everyone thinks Sanchez' crap don't stink but if they do this then their pretty much in the same position as last year but with one year wonder Sanchez at the helm instead of Cutler. Rounds 1-2 should be defence and RB is the only offenceive position I could see in the 3rd. Here's how it should go depending on if Raji is at 12 or not. If he is draft Raji at #12 then get Jackson at 18 or if he's gone pick Robert Ayers who I think is big enough to play the five-technique. Then in the 2nd pick up a CB like D.J. Moore, Sean Smith, or Alphonso Smith or a pass rusher at OLB like Kruger or Johnson but I say go CB. In the 3rd get either a safety like Patrick Chung or Chip Vaughn or draft RB since they have no real impact player there. If they miss Raji then they have to draft Jackson at 12 and a pass rusher at 18 like Mattews or Maybin since Jerry doesn't really fit the NT mold. Then they get Ron Brace in the 2nd and finish it off in the 3rd with David Bruton who can play CB or S. They could also go for a CB at number 18 so they can get a RB in the 3rd but I think theres value at RB going into the 4th and 5th rounds.

Your right on about where Denver will be if they use both their firsts to move up to draft Sanchez, but that is what happens when you screw up and are forced to trade your starting QB. Sooner or later, Denver must draft a QB to replace Cutler if they intend to be a SB contender, and you have to remember that it takes 3 or 4 years normally before a young QB breaks out, so the longer you put off drafting a replacement, the longer it will be before you are a competitive team again.
I don't really think the full impact of the Cutler trade is understood by Denver fans. Putting it mildly, your screwed for the next 3 or 4 years maybe more until Cutler's replacement is developed.

[roscoesdad27]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian
I don't see the slighest chance Denver drafts Jenkins. He cannot play in a man to man defense and would be forced to switch to S if Denver drafts him.
The same goes for NO. Only a Cover 2 team will be interested in Jenkins as a CB.

wrong...he more than makes up for his relative lack of long speed by being extremly physical at the l.o.s., very smooth hips, flawless technique and uncoachable instincts...dont forget he ran the fastest cone drill at the combine and faster than any of last years corners as well!...also champ is a lock down corner which will allow the free safety to cheat to jenkins side allowing him to ball hawk the short and intermediate routes, just because they dont run much cover 2 doesnt mean they dont run alot of cover 1....jenkins is ideal for denver and an ideal partner for champ.

[Iamcanadian]

Originally Posted by Iamcanadian


wrong...he more than makes up for his relative lack of long speed by being extremly physical at the l.o.s., very smooth hips, flawless technique and uncoachable instincts...dont forget he ran the fastest cone drill at the combine and faster than any of last years corners as well!...also champ is a lock down corner which will allow the free safety to cheat to jenkins side allowing him to ball hawk the short and intermediate routes, just because they dont run much cover 2 doesnt mean they dont run alot of cover 1....jenkins is ideal for denver and an ideal partner for champ.

CB's who are physical at the LOS must still possess catch up speed if the WR eludes them and with only a 5 yard range where you can be physical, the bigger WR's with elite speed will eat Jenkins alive and the small, quick and fast WR's will be even more difficult for him.
Offenses will attack Jenkins all day long with the deep ball and there are plenty of ways for an offense to force Jenkins into man coverage on deep patterns at least occasionally during a game. All you have to do is send somebody to occupy the safety on his side of the field.
I don't see anyway Jenkins can play in a man up defense, sure draft him if you believe he will be a great Safety but for a man up team to draft a CB as slow as Jenkins would be absurd IMO.
Jenkins's combine #'s and his pro day #'s indicate clearly that he will be a sensational CB for a Cover 2 team who plays in a zone most of the game, where his skill set is perfect for that defense. In any other defense he will be a liability most of the time. There is a reason why most NFL CB's who play for a 3-4 or a basic 4-3 team have elite speed while CB's who play for Cover 2 teams have only average speed???

[roscoesdad27]

CB's who are physical at the LOS must still possess catch up speed if the WR eludes them and with only a 5 yard range where you can be physical, the bigger WR's with elite speed will eat Jenkins alive and the small, quick and fast WR's will be even more difficult for him.
Offenses will attack Jenkins all day long with the deep ball and there are plenty of ways for an offense to force Jenkins into man coverage on deep patterns at least occasionally during a game. All you have to do is send somebody to occupy the safety on his side of the field.
I don't see anyway Jenkins can play in a man up defense, sure draft him if you believe he will be a great Safety but for a man up team to draft a CB as slow as Jenkins would be absurd IMO.
Jenkins's combine #'s and his pro day #'s indicate clearly that he will be a sensational CB for a Cover 2 team who plays in a zone most of the game, where his skill set is perfect for that defense. In any other defense he will be a liability most of the time. There is a reason why most NFL CB's who play for a 3-4 or a basic 4-3 team have elite speed while CB's who play for Cover 2 teams have only average speed???

1) big recievers with elite speed eat just about everyone alive and there are but a handfull of them in the league...when facing a team with this kind of guy i would put champ on the #2 reciever and malcolm on the #1 w.r. and gi=ve him safety help, thats what 95% of teams gotta do....atleast alcolm has the physicality to matchup with these types in the short/intermediate range.

2) jenkins should get a very good punch on the smaller guys and his amazing hips/change of directions skills (fastest cone drill in the last couple combines) should make this a favorable match up.

3) I agree that he would be an excellent cover 2 corner but he's an excellent man corner as well.

[Iamcanadian]

1) big recievers with elite speed eat just about everyone alive and there are but a handfull of them in the league...when facing a team with this kind of guy i would put champ on the #2 reciever and malcolm on the #1 w.r. and gi=ve him safety help, thats what 95% of teams gotta do....atleast alcolm has the physicality to matchup with these types in the short/intermediate range.

2) jenkins should get a very good punch on the smaller guys and his amazing hips/change of directions skills (fastest cone drill in the last couple combines) should make this a favorable match up.

3) I agree that he would be an excellent cover 2 corner but he's an excellent man corner as well.

Well, I guess we will just have to wait for the draft to see who drafts him and where they play him?

[roscoesdad27]

Well, I guess we will just have to wait for the draft to see who drafts him and where they play him?

I reckon we agree to disagree.

[jth1331]

I'm sorry, but there are a lot of idiots in this thread that don't fully understand Denver. And I don't mean to offend, but the talks of HAVING to draft a QB, or addressing non defensive positions is freakin ridiculous to me.

Broncos were ranked in the bottom of the league in every single freakin defensive statistic you could imagine. Yards, rush D, pass D, turnovers, points allowed. You don't win games unless you have a competent defense. Heck, even if the Broncos had Peyton Manning at QB they would be horrible with that awful defense.

That said, the Broncos do not need to take a QB this year. Kyle Orton, while not spectacular, could be solid in Denver's offense. If he doesn't look the part, guess what, next year Denver has 2 1st round picks to play into the Sam Bradford sweepstakes, who IMO would be perfect for Denver's offense.

And the Broncos most definitely need practically every position on defense. DE, DT/NT, OLB, ILB, CB, S. I have zero faith in Dumervil and Moss contributing in the 3-4 defense. Marcus Thomas is the only DE I trust, no NT on the team. Only OLB I see is Boss Bailey(maybe Wesley Woodyard), DJ Williams at an ILB position.
CB, Champ Bailey is still solid but declining with age. Goodman is decent, but the other guys Paymah, Bell and Williams all got torched pretty much last year.
Josh Barrett hasn't shown anything yet, and Brian Dawkins is on his last legs ala John Lynch.
IMO, the Broncos almost absolutely have to pick defense.
With that said, I think if Raji falls, they should roll the dice on him and then take a LB(Rey)/Jackson at 18 as I don't see the tweeners falling to then.

[IndyColtScout]

I still think my original post if the best draft scenario for DEN.

I agree that DEN should no go QB. Orton can get them through this season, and personally I think he could end up fitting in real well.

RB may be an option, but DEN has consistently ran the ball well with less known RB's. Doubt it on the 1st day.

WR, TE, OL I doubt on the first day. This all leads to D.

Personally, when starting from scratch in the 3-4, you HAVE to build the front three. It should be the #1 priority.

DEN actually has a few LB's and DB's that can play in this system right now. They may not be perfect fits, but they have more acceptable bodies at LB, DB compared to DL.

Again, I'm not the DEN GM but I go #12 LE Tyson Jackson. #18 RE Jarron Gilbert (who is absolutely flying up the boards right now; they say NYJ are considering him @ 17). Now you got your starting DE's with Marcus Thomas as a rotating DL.

In the 2nd round at #44/45 whatver the pick is you take NT Ron Brace. Fields can be the primary backup NT.

In the first two rounds DEN has the oppurtunity to completely build the most important part of a 3-4 D. Then from round 3-7 DEN can find a rushbacker and a few young DB's.

That strategy really makes sense to me, and I can see them being much more competitive than everyone thinks.

[Diehard]

That strategy really makes sense to me, and I can see them being much more competitive than everyone thinks.

Yes, it makes some sense, but it may not align well with the team's plan. Here's a blurb from McDaniels regarding the approach to the draft:


As far as it being a defensive or offensive draft, it's going to be the best players at a position that we need players at that can help our team win. I wouldn't say that it's going to be one way or the other.


That doesn't sound like someone who is zeroing in on a specific need in round 1. IMO, they've got a list of needs, and when it comes time to pick they'll take the highest graded player available who addresses one of them.

Will they draft DL? Definitely - it's clearly a need. Will it be the first 3 picks? No way in hell.