San Francisco 49ers Discussion

[Ness]

Looking at the Calvin Johnson contract, you can still backload a heavy amount of money in the base salary so if I have to do that with the last four years or even five years, so be it. Where there's a will, there's a way. Of course, I think that report is bullcrap anyway and would be surprised if it was true.



I dont know why you're laughing??? If Moss and Manningham fail (which I wouldnt be surprised one bit) and we're in the same situation next off-season, will you still be laughing?

Yes I love the hypothetical game. If Wallace breaks his leg in training camp are you going to still be pissed the the 49ers didn't pick him up?

[VAfy-ya]

So it now looks like Kyle Williams will be struggling for a roster spot with the re-signing of Ginn, and the drafting of a WR.

With all these WRs coming in, i wonder if this eliminates one in the first...

I dont think anyone should count on Ginn's contributions as a WR. He is who he is.....a return man who catches passes occasionally. K-10's road to the 53 will be tougher, but not because Ted Ginn is back. Hopefully because the talent at WR will be vastly improved after the draft and free agency.

[Brent]

@Eric_Branch: The #49ers have signed QB Josh Johnson to a two-year deal, per a league source.

[VAfy-ya]

@Eric_Branch: The #49ers have signed QB Josh Johnson to a two-year deal, per a league source.

Noice......very noice.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

The "beloved son" reunites with Harbuagh. I don't like that this will take reps away from Kaepernick but at least the 49ers have experience ,behind Alex, in case something happens.

[edgrenade]

I found this amusing:

RT @mattbarrows: What bad blood? Hearing that Harbaugh, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and newcomer Josh Johnson played racquetball together today.

[dan77733]

I always love how people jump to this assumption. You have absolutely zero knowledge of his desire or his work ethic. Nor do I.

When you miss games from the rookie season to hold out for more money despite the fact that you're already getting paid enough money to begin with and havent participated in TC and PreSeason for an entire career for whatever reason, I would say that its safe to assume that his desire and work ethic sucks. No one will ever mistake him for T.O. or Rice.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

When you miss games from the rookie season to hold out for more money despite the fact that you're already getting paid enough money to begin with and havent participated in TC and PreSeason for an entire career for whatever reason, I would say that its safe to assume that his desire and work ethic sucks. No one will ever mistake him for T.O. or Rice.

Or young kid that listened to his agent. Aside from the Crabtree/Davis shouting match, haven't heard any reports of Crabtree being a slacker. He is one of the best blockers on the team and I remember years ago that VD had the same label that Crab gets from 49er fans.

[dan77733]

Or young kid that listened to his agent. Aside from the Crabtree/Davis shouting match, haven't heard any reports of Crabtree being a slacker. He is one of the best blockers on the team and I remember years ago that VD had the same label that Crab gets from 49er fans.

Regardless of whether or not he listened to his agent back in 2009, that doesnt change the fact that he's missed TC and PreSeason in his entire career thus far. I wouldnt be surprised if he somehow misses his fourth TC and PreSeason.

As for VD, correct me if im wrong but I dont remember him missing TC and/or PreSeason like Crabtree has. I just think that Crabtree could be our number one receiver but I seriously doubt that he ever will be. Say whatever you want about T.O. but his work ethic and conditioning can never be questioned. Of course, he learned from the best. Maybe, the team can hire Rice as a WR conditioning coach or something. Maybe then Crabtree would actually become our number one WR.

[Ness]

@Eric_Branch: The #49ers have signed QB Josh Johnson to a two-year deal, per a league source.

Sweet. This is great news. Can't wait to see him in the preseason. This is turning out to be a good week. Alex Smith signs, Ginn returns, and now Josh Johnson is aboard.

[49erNation85]

Dam we go out and get Josh Johnson ? Not the QB I was hoping but meh. If he can make Smith play better then all for it. But I doubt he earns the starting job. the other signings are great so far this FA period and I hope we can make it back to the play offs and i will be a happy camper!

I still think we need to grab a wide out at 30 in the first round to make sure we are not in the same boat next year.I will take either Hill , Wright or even Jefferson yes even Jefferson .

[edgrenade]

even Jefferson yes even Jefferson .

Who's Jefferson??? o_O

[Borat]

Who's Jefferson??? o_O

This?
http://www.jeserie.org/files/jefferson.jpg

Or

This?
http://www.urbansake.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/jeff.png

[VAfy-ya]

I found this amusing:

RT @mattbarrows: What bad blood? Hearing that Harbaugh, Alex Smith, Colin Kaepernick and newcomer Josh Johnson played racquetball together today.

Where's the Tolz? Yup, defintely bad blood...

[BandwagonPunditry]

Where's the Tolz? Yup, defintely bad blood...

Still playing on the practice court? :P

[Brent]

Still playing on the practice court? :P
every team needs a camp arm.

[phlysac]

I will take either Hill , Wright or even Jefferson yes even Jefferson .

Considering there isn't a "Jefferson" in the top-200+ draft-eligible WR's I'll assume you meant Jeffery, yes even Jeffery.

[farfromforgotten]

Very happy with this offseason so far. All D starters back. Moss and Manningham to help our weakest area on offense. Josh Johnson signing is cool. I like it.

Bring on the draft! Excited to see what Baalke and Harbaugh have in mind...

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

Manningham's deal :
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-sign-Manningham-for-less-than-Reds?blockID=675658&feedID=5936
Newly signed wide receiver Mario Manningham will account $2.487 million on the 49ers' 2012 salary cap, a league source told CSNBayArea.com on Friday.

The 49ers and Manningham agreed to a two-year, $7.375 million contract that includes a $2 million signing bonus and another $2.45 million in salary guarantees, the source said.

Manningham's base salaries are $1.2 million in 2012 and $3.6 million in 2013. He is scheduled to count $4.887 on the 49ers' 2013 salary cap.

49ers front office kicks ass.

Josh Johnson contract:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/03/qb-johnsons-deal-two-years-for-essentially-2-million.html
The 49ers signed quarterback Josh Johnson to a two-year deal that essentially is worth just under $2 million, according to a league source familiar with the contract. That includes a $350,000 signing bonus.

There will be no Sanchez/Tebow like controversy in SF.

[phlysac]

I absolutely LOVE this man...

http://www.haas.berkeley.edu/groups/pubs/calbusiness/fall2008/images_local/profile_marathe.jpg

[49ersfan_87]

The Manningham contract is a steal. Look at the deal he got, and then look at the deals Pierre Garcon and Laurent Robinson got..smh. Even Josh Morgan got more. Great job by the FO. I really hope he can become our "Carlos Rogers" on the offensive side of the ball this year.

[dan77733]

I have to admit that the FO did an awesome job with adding talent, expanding depth and all at a fair/cheap/good price. Now, if we get Fleener at 30, I'll be a happy bastard. :)

[phlysac]

I have to admit that the FO did an awesome job with adding talent, expanding depth and all at a fair/cheap/good price. Now, if we get Fleener at 30, I'll be a happy bastard. :)

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/Mike-Wallace-Poses.jpg

[49erNation85]

I would rather draft Hill or some other wide out at 30 instead of a TE we have plenty IMO.

And yes my bad I did mean Jeffery. It's been a long week.

[MaybeDavis]

I would rather draft Hill or some other wide out at 30 instead of a TE we have plenty IMO.

And yes my bad I did mean Jeffery. It's been a long week.

The thing is, that we havent a Redzone Weapon like Fleener with his 6.6ht.
He can improve our badest area's in the Offense, Redzone and 3rd downs.

Alo Harbaugh loves to play with multiple TE's on the Field.
Fleener isn't a bad Blocker, he is really fast for a TE, has good Hands and is a Big guy. Davis is just 6.3 and Walker just 6.0. Fleener is very different type. He could be our Jimmy Graham. And don't forget, Walker has just 1 year left on his contract.

I think Fleener is the best Player to fit in our System, delete our biggest weakness's and would be improve our O the most.

The Sky is the Limit for our Offense with Coby...

[BandwagonPunditry]

Alex Smith implied to San Francisco reporters that he never seriously considered signing with the Dolphins. Asked what his emotions were in visiting Miami, Smith replied, "I'd never been to Miami Beach, and I thought it was a good way to go see it."

I ******* love you Alex.

[Brent]

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/Mike-Wallace-Poses.jpg
They can go after him next year, when he's a UFA. Or so Dan will hope.

[dan77733]

They can go after him next year, when he's a UFA. Or so Dan will hope.

And you can already bet your ass thats exactly who im hoping for next off-season. Moss is a one year stopgap. Ginn couldnt catch a cold let alone a football which makes his speed useless as a WR. Manningham could also be a one year stopgap if he doesnt have a good season and disappoints so while im not happy in regards to Wallace this year, im hoping for him next year. :)

[49ersfan_87]

I could see Manningham having a 2006 Antonio Bryant type of impact...hopefully being less of a headcase and more consistent though. That would be great.

[phlysac]

And the Steelers would have every option to put the Franchise Tag on Wallace just to screw Dan over.

[dan77733]

And the Steelers would have every option to put the Franchise Tag on Wallace just to screw Dan over.

They could but I hope not. LOL. :)

[david_581]

Since Wallace wants more than Larry Fitzgerald, I don't think Baalke will ever seriously go after him. Especially can't see it if he has to give up a draft pick as well.

[phlysac]

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[Ness]

Cool video. You can tell his teachings have really helped Alex.

[49erNation85]

Yep I don't see us going after Wallace specially if he wants anything over 90 Mil because we couldn't sign Manning for that much .

[Ness]

Yep I don't see us going after Wallace specially if he wants anything over 90 Mil because we couldn't sign Manning for that much .

Manning didn't want to come here. Money wasn't a problem.

[VAfy-ya]

Yea, money would not have been an issue with Manning. He wants to run his offense and playing for a defensive HC like Fox will allow him to do just that. Jimbaugh wouldn't have any of that. Like I said from the beginning, didnt see the fit for him with this offense. And I dont see Harbaalke as the kind of guys who scrap their X's and O's and offensive philosphy for one player to be comfortable.

[Rabscuttle]

Yep I don't see us going after Wallace specially if he wants anything over 90 Mil because we couldn't sign Manning for that much .

That was 5 years 90 million.... Has it clicked yet?

[dan77733]

Manning didnt come to SF because Baalke wasnt going to pay him what he wanted. Broncos made the most sense because Manning gets his money and gets to run the offense. 49ers wise, the money and then Harbaugh was second. Bottom line is that even if Harbaugh wasnt our HC, I still dont think that Manning would have come here because there's no way we would have paid him that.

As for Wallace, the report of him wanting Fitzgerald type money is either bullcrap or him saying it so he can be an UFA next off-season. PIT will have him as an UFA and Brown/Sanders as RFA's. No way they keep all three with their salary cap situation. One things is for sure, Wallace is worth more than what Garcon received from WSH and I would say also worth as much maybe more than what Vincent Jackson received. Dont know about anyone else here but I would easily pay Wallace $15m over $12m for Jackson but thats just me.

[david_581]

Manning didnt come to SF because Baalke wasnt going to pay him what he wanted. Broncos made the most sense because Manning gets his money and gets to run the offense. 49ers wise, the money and then Harbaugh was second. Bottom line is that even if Harbaugh wasnt our HC, I still dont think that Manning would have come here because there's no way we would have paid him that.

As for Wallace, the report of him wanting Fitzgerald type money is either bullcrap or him saying it so he can be an UFA next off-season. PIT will have him as an UFA and Brown/Sanders as RFA's. No way they keep all three with their salary cap situation. One things is for sure, Wallace is worth more than what Garcon received from WSH and I would say also worth as much maybe more than what Vincent Jackson received. Dont know about anyone else here but I would easily pay Wallace $15m over $12m for Jackson but thats just me.

Do you have an inside source? Lol! 49ers would've paid him what he wanted is what all the NFL insiders reported so where did you get your info from?

Peyton can relate to Elway. Elway won Super Bowls in his final years and Peyton wants to do the same. Denver has an outstanding defense and the AFC is not as strong on the top end as the NFC is. Plus he's played in the AFC his entire career so he is somewhat familiar with the teams in the AFC West.

But he wants freedom in his offense and he can get that from a defensive minded head coach like Fox. No one knows how free he would've been under Harbaugh.

[Ness]

Manning didnt come to SF because Baalke wasnt going to pay him what he wanted.

Link.....?

[dan77733]

Dont need a link. Its just common sense. Everyone here says that Baalke doesnt overspend yet thinks he would give Manning $60m guaranteed over two years? Yeah right. No ******* way. Cap room wise, the team only had alittle more than half of what the Broncos had. Are people really surprised that out of the three teams Manning could have picked, he went to the team with the most cap room? I'm not. Manning held the Colts hostage for as much money as he could get, not once but TWICE. Anyone who thinks that Manning was going to pick us over DEN is dazed and confused. Now, if we had the same amount of cap room or more than DEN, then Manning would be a 49er right now.

Yeah, Manning and Harbaugh are egomaniacs who want things run their way but thats not the number one reason why Manning didnt choose SF. Money first and foremost is the most important thing to Manning so while he may say that winning another SB is important, its a distant second at best.

Come on guys, you really believe that Manning not coming to SF was because of Harbaugh and only Harbaugh? No way. Even if they didnt get along, they would still co-exist because they would both know that together along with the rest of the team, the 49ers are easily Super Bowl favorites. Like everything in life, it all comes down to money and Manning picked the team with the most money to spend and more importantly, were willing to spend it on him.

[david_581]

Dont need a link. Its just common sense. Everyone here says that Baalke doesnt overspend yet thinks he would give Manning $60m guaranteed over two years? Yeah right. No ******* way. Cap room wise, the team only had alittle more than half of what the Broncos had. Are people really surprised that out of the three teams Manning could have picked, he went to the team with the most cap room? I'm not. Manning held the Colts hostage for as much money as he could get, not once but TWICE. Anyone who thinks that Manning was going to pick us over DEN is dazed and confused. Now, if we had the same amount of cap room or more than DEN, then Manning would be a 49er right now.

Yeah, Manning and Harbaugh are egomaniacs who want things run their way but thats not the number one reason why Manning didnt choose SF. Money first and foremost is the most important thing to Manning so while he may say that winning another SB is important, its a distant second at best.

Come on guys, you really believe that Manning not coming to SF was because of Harbaugh and only Harbaugh? No way. Even if they didnt get along, they would still co-exist because they would both know that together along with the rest of the team, the 49ers are easily Super Bowl favorites. Like everything in life, it all comes down to money and Manning picked the team with the most money to spend and more importantly, were willing to spend it on him.
So you have no facts or anything to back your claim up. Wow.

It’s a surprisingly simple deal, based on a review of the information and communications with a source having direct knowledge of the negotiation process. Manning gets an $18 million fully guaranteed base salary for 2012. Though he doesn’t get a signing bonus, he’ll receive $6 million of the $18 million base salary as an advance.

Then, if Manning is on the Broncos’ roster on the final day of the 2012 league year, his base salaries of $20 million in 2013 and $20 million in 2014 become fully guaranteed.

In other words, the Broncos can cut Manning at any point after Super Bowl XLVII and before the last day before the start of the 2013 league year and limit the contract to a one-year, $18 million investment. And so, just as the Colts faced a $28 million decision in March 2012, the Broncos will face a $40 million decision in March of 2013.

According to http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/inside-the-peyton-manning-contract/, Peyton's first two seasons will be $38 million instead of what you've said of $60 million. However if he is on their roster for the 2013 season (2nd season), the 3rd season (2014) $20 million will be guaranteed as well unless he injures his neck.

[binary]

I ******* love you Alex.

lol, Alex is a cool dude.

I really hope the fans keep being ******** and keep pissing him off though, he plays so much better when his back is against the wall and he's ticked off. If the fans keep displaying stupidity, he might have a monstrous year and make them squirm even more.

[Goon61]

That was an awesome video physlac! I love Jim Harbaugh. "You must win!" And he breaks the projector

[Ness]

So you have no facts or anything to back your claim up. Wow.

As per usual. But it's okay, his common sense gives him a free pass. :njx:

[dan77733]

So you have no facts or anything to back your claim up. Wow.

According to http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/inside-the-peyton-manning-contract/, Peyton's first two seasons will be $38 million instead of what you've said of $60 million. However if he is on their roster for the 2013 season (2nd season), the 3rd season (2014) $20 million will be guaranteed as well unless he injures his neck.

Facts??? What I said is a fact. You really think Manning picked the Broncos because it gives him the best chance to win a SB or because they offered him the most money? And oh no, I was off by $2m in his contract. He has to be released two days before the start of the 2013 league year which is less than a year from now. So, $58m guaranteed after ONE season no matter how he plays unless he re-injures his neck.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if anyone thinks that Manning picked the Broncos for ANY other reason other than money, you're not only wrong but you havent been paying attention to how Manning conducts business. He wants as much money as he can get and doesnt give a damn who gives it to him.

And no way in hell was Baalke going to give him that contract. And if he says otherwise, what else do you expect him to say? He has to save face somewhat. He's not going to admit that he didnt offer Manning anywhere near what DEN was offering him. Not even close but hey, believe what you want to believe.

And common sense is something that the majority here DONT have because if they did, they would realize the same thing that I realized a long time ago - Manning (like the majority of players) went for the money and thats it. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the ones who dont have common sense. It's about money, period. Always has been and after we're all long gone, it still will be.

[david_581]

Facts??? What I said is a fact. You really think Manning picked the Broncos because it gives him the best chance to win a SB or because they offered him the most money? And oh no, I was off by $2m in his contract. He has to be released two days before the start of the 2013 league year which is less than a year from now. So, $58m guaranteed after ONE season no matter how he plays unless he re-injures his neck.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if anyone thinks that Manning picked the Broncos for ANY other reason other than money, you're not only wrong but you havent been paying attention to how Manning conducts business. He wants as much money as he can get and doesnt give a damn who gives it to him.

And no way in hell was Baalke going to give him that contract. And if he says otherwise, what else do you expect him to say? He has to save face somewhat. He's not going to admit that he didnt offer Manning anywhere near what DEN was offering him. Not even close but hey, believe what you want to believe.

And common sense is something that the majority here DONT have because if they did, they would realize the same thing that I realized a long time ago - Manning (like the majority of players) went for the money and thats it. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the ones who dont have common sense. It's about money, period. Always has been and after we're all long gone, it still will be.

$18 million after ONE season. $20 million more for 2013, and $20 million more for 2014 if he was on the roster the year before. You said $60 for his two first seasons, you were $22 million off.

The 49ers would've paid him what he wanted, because they want Lombardi trophies asap. They wouldn't have had to give up a high draft pick for him either.

[dan77733]

$18 million after ONE season. $20 million more for 2013, and $20 million more for 2014 if he was on the roster the year before. You said $60 for his two first seasons, you were $22 million off.

The 49ers would've paid him what he wanted, because they want Lombardi trophies asap. They wouldn't have had to give up a high draft pick for him either.

Instead, he'll earn $58m for ONE season once the next league year starts so instead of $60m over two years, he's technically getting $58m for ONE season worth of playing unless he re-injures his neck. Basically, he can suck up a storm but as long as he's healthy and on the roster in less than a year from now, he'll get paid $28m more than what I said. I said he's getting $60m for two years. Instead, he'll get $58m guaranteed for ONE year. He could get released next summer or get injured and go on IR in 2013 and if it has nothing to do with his neck, he'll still get $58m for ONE year.

And sorry but no way in hell was Baalke going to pay Manning. I dont believe that for a second and only a fool would believe that because quite honestly, if Baalke was going to match or surpass what DEN was offering, Manning would be our QB right now. Manning went where the money was and it wasnt in SF.

No draft pick but people overrate the Draft. Look at the percentages of it and look at the percentages for the 49ers since the 2004 NFL Draft. Out of 70 draft picks since the 2004 NFL Draft, as of right now, there's only 30 players that are still on the team. Thats less than 50% so just like FA, there's no guarantee or sure thing. Just people tell you there is doesnt mean there is. And quite honestly, if it wasnt for the last two drafts, we wouldnt even be having this conversation. 15/18 players from the last two drafts is what made the team good to great but it remains to be seen if that percentage stays that way in the next few years. Odds are that it wont. Even if you only start with 2008, 18/31 players are still on the team and while thats past 50%, the 2008 and 2009 drafts were beyond HORRIBLE with only 3/13 players still on the team.

I'm tired of hearing everyone say build through the draft because while thats good, its equally as bad and has percentages show, its 50/50 at best. Every year, people here say build through the draft and yay, it finally worked and only took 9 years and three different head coaches, four if you count Erickson from 2004.

To me, FA is good when you want that already established player who fills a need and is being paid for not only what he's done but what he will continue to do. There's a reason why I only wanted ONE major FA (RFA to be exact) compared to years past for the last 8 years when I wanted several top tier FA's. That reason is that after 9 years of "building" through the draft, we dont need several top tier FA's, just ONE awesome one that fills the biggest need on this team.

And quite honestly, I have no doubt in my mind that in a year from now, I'll still be hoping for Wallace if he's an UFA because he'll still most likely be the ONE element that we need but yet, dont have.

[VAfy-ya]

Facts??? What I said is a fact. You really think Manning picked the Broncos because it gives him the best chance to win a SB or because they offered him the most money? And oh no, I was off by $2m in his contract. He has to be released two days before the start of the 2013 league year which is less than a year from now. So, $58m guaranteed after ONE season no matter how he plays unless he re-injures his neck.

I said it before and I'll say it again, if anyone thinks that Manning picked the Broncos for ANY other reason other than money, you're not only wrong but you havent been paying attention to how Manning conducts business. He wants as much money as he can get and doesnt give a damn who gives it to him.

And no way in hell was Baalke going to give him that contract. And if he says otherwise, what else do you expect him to say? He has to save face somewhat. He's not going to admit that he didnt offer Manning anywhere near what DEN was offering him. Not even close but hey, believe what you want to believe.

And common sense is something that the majority here DONT have because if they did, they would realize the same thing that I realized a long time ago - Manning (like the majority of players) went for the money and thats it. Anyone who thinks otherwise are the ones who dont have common sense. It's about money, period. Always has been and after we're all long gone, it still will be.

So much FAIL in your logic, I dont even know why I'm responding but here it goes...

You do know that PM and the Niners NEVER discussed a contract or numbers right? They hadn't even gotten that far into process yet. Harbaalke wanted to know a) was he healthy enough and b) did they both(PM and the Niner's staff) have a mutual intrest in one another. That's why the intial workout in Durham took place. Notice Manning never visited the Niner facilities. There was no formal courting like of that of Titans or the Broncos. They went to kick the tires, found it was still some tread left on Manning, then decided it couldnt hurt to enter the Manning sweepstakes and take their chances. Don't confuse Baalke's approach to free agent value with being cheap. Baalke wants to win and he has no problem spending money if he believes a player is worth it. Baalke would have gladly paid that 18 million....why do you think we threw our hat in the ring? You think Baalke didnt know how much it would cost for Manning? C'mon now, get real. He knew EXCATLY what it would cost, which is why we had excatly 19 million in cap space when were waiting for Peyton to make his decision. You dont fly all the way across country, Cloak and Dagger style for a guy like Manning without knowing what your getting yourself into. Condon already informed teams what kind of money PM was looking for. You dont persue him unless your willing to pay the piper. Baalke showed last year, by making a push for Nhamdi that he has no problem going after elite talent. He would have gladly paid a HOF QB his asking price if he thought that meant bringing Lombardi #6 to San Francisco. We're talking about the most important position on the field, and we would have had one of the elite ones. Again, money WAS NOT the issue. But you keep right ahead telling yourself it was.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

No draft pick but people overrate the Draft. Look at the percentages of it and look at the percentages for the 49ers since the 2004 NFL Draft. Out of 70 draft picks since the 2004 NFL Draft, as of right now, there's only 30 players that are still on the team. Thats less than 50% so just like FA, there's no guarantee or sure thing. Just people tell you there is doesnt mean there is. And quite honestly, if it wasnt for the last two drafts, we wouldnt even be having this conversation. 15/18 players from the last two drafts is what made the team good to great but it remains to be seen if that percentage stays that way in the next few years. Odds are that it wont. Even if you only start with 2008, 18/31 players are still on the team and while thats past 50%, the 2008 and 2009 drafts were beyond HORRIBLE with only 3/13 players still on the team.

I'm tired of hearing everyone say build through the draft because while thats good, its equally as bad and has percentages show, its 50/50 at best. Every year, people here say build through the draft and yay, it finally worked and only took 9 years and three different head coaches, four if you count Erickson from 2004.


Even though 16 of the 22 starters are made up of former draft picks by SF?

[phlysac]

Dan, please list the successful NFL teams throughout history that their FA contributions approached even close to 50% of their roster.

Thanks.

[Brent]

is Dan's last name Snyder?

[hawkeye123]

Who backs up Alex Smith? Kaepernick or Johnson?

[Ness]

Who backs up Alex Smith? Kaepernick or Johnson?

I'm guessing it's up in the air. Kaepernick might have the leverage for the time due to football politics.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1196623/1/index.htm

By Tuesday he was in Raleigh, where he could throw under the eye of David Cutcliffe, who'd been his coordinator in college and is now the coach at Duke. That night 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Greg Roman came to see Manning throw on a lighted field at Duke. First they watched from a car by the side of the field, then, to get a better view, they came onto the field, hoodies pulled over their heads so as not to be recognized by some nosy iPhoner. Manning texted his mother, Olivia: "You'll never guess who I just worked out for. He was wearing a hoodie."

"Bill Belichick?" she responded.
Good one! Nope, Jim Harbaugh.



Very Harbaughian.

According to Peter King SF wasn't one of the three finalist for Manning.
On Saturday night Manning called Dungy to discuss the pros and cons of the three finalists: Denver, Arizona, Tennessee.

[dan77733]

If I was Manning, I would have picked the Cardinals out of them three and not surprised SF wasnt in the top three. People here can say whatever they want but we werent paying him what he was looking for. It was nothing more than a flirtation and to lower Alex's demands/contract/whatever. Everyone here says that Baalke has a price on FA's and doesnt go past that price so why anyone here thinks that he would go past that price for a 36 year old QB who could be one hit away from retirement is beyond me.

As for naming FA's, im not going through all 32 teams as I could care less about 31 of them. Bottom line is that FA and the Draft is 50/50 and yeah, I know the majority of our starters in 2011 were from the draft but subtract the last two years and that percentage is horrible. And there's no guarantee that percentage stays as high as it is now in a few years from now. Either way, is 50/50. Like FA, the draft pick either succeeds or fails.

[dan77733]

So much FAIL in your logic, I dont even know why I'm responding but here it goes...

You do know that PM and the Niners NEVER discussed a contract or numbers right? They hadn't even gotten that far into process yet. Harbaalke wanted to know a) was he healthy enough and b) did they both(PM and the Niner's staff) have a mutual intrest in one another. That's why the intial workout in Durham took place. Notice Manning never visited the Niner facilities. There was no formal courting like of that of Titans or the Broncos. They went to kick the tires, found it was still some tread left on Manning, then decided it couldnt hurt to enter the Manning sweepstakes and take their chances. Don't confuse Baalke's approach to free agent value with being cheap. Baalke wants to win and he has no problem spending money if he believes a player is worth it. Baalke would have gladly paid that 18 million....why do you think we threw our hat in the ring? You think Baalke didnt know how much it would cost for Manning? C'mon now, get real. He knew EXCATLY what it would cost, which is why we had excatly 19 million in cap space when were waiting for Peyton to make his decision. You dont fly all the way across country, Cloak and Dagger style for a guy like Manning without knowing what your getting yourself into. Condon already informed teams what kind of money PM was looking for. You dont persue him unless your willing to pay the piper. Baalke showed last year, by making a push for Nhamdi that he has no problem going after elite talent. He would have gladly paid a HOF QB his asking price if he thought that meant bringing Lombardi #6 to San Francisco. We're talking about the most important position on the field, and we would have had one of the elite ones. Again, money WAS NOT the issue. But you keep right ahead telling yourself it was.

Money was not the issue? Yeah right. Believe what you want and I'll do the same and we'll leave it at that.

[Menardo75]

Lol I love how Dan thinks his opinions and speculation's are correct over actual proven facts.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

The #49ers worked out former Cardinals G Deuce Lutui earlier this week, a source confirmed. #freeagency

VAfy-ya brought his name up earlier in the week. Would love to know what he weighed in at.

Liked this write up by Kevin Lynch on misperceptions of the 49ers free agent strategy:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/03/27/49ers-free-agent-strategy-can-lead-to-misperceptions/

[VAfy-ya]

VAfy-ya brought his name up earlier in the week. Would love to know what he weighed in at.

Liked this write up by Kevin Lynch on misperceptions of the 49ers free agent strategy:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/03/27/49ers-free-agent-strategy-can-lead-to-misperceptions/

Like I said, doesn't hurt to bring him in and see if he's motivated and in shape. But for the life of me, I dont understand our non-intrest in Jake Scott. The guy is one of the better pass-blocking OG in the league and has been apart of a one of the better rushing offenses for years. And he's just sitting in free agency, waiting to be plucked. At worst he loses the battle with Kilgore and is a solid back-up with experience. Just makes too much sense to bring him in for a look.

[Borat]

Lutui weighed in at 547 pounds, with 26% body fat and 74% suck.

[Madirishman]

Lutui weighed in at 547 pounds, with 26% body fat and 74% suck.

True! No thank you to Deuce. Remember he was the "other" guy who didn't care he was getting his butt whooped at home on MNF by the Niners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2vTzHf2tus

He doesn't put his heart and soul into anything....except eating donuts.

[Brent]

He doesn't put his heart and soul into anything....except eating donuts.
he takes this **** seriously, especially eating donuts.

[phlysac]

Chilo Rachal > Deuce Lutui

:ducks:

[dan77733]

Lol I love how Dan thinks his opinions and speculation's are correct over actual proven facts.

Proven facts? What proven facts? There arent any. People here say that Baalke was willing to spend that money on Manning and I say that was never going to happen. My opinion against others, thats it. Nothing more and nothing less. As for the Draft, look up the percentages yourself and you'll see that what I said is true. Every rookie just like FA is 50/50. They either work out or they dont, period. There's no middle ground.

Lutui weighed in at 547 pounds, with 26% body fat and 74% suck.

WOW!!! 547 lbs and the guy is still alive??? Jesus Christ.

[Ness]

Chilo Rachal > Deuce Lutui

:ducks:

I'm taking my chances with Rachal. :lynched:

[phlysac]

WOW!!! 547 lbs and the guy is still alive??? Jesus Christ.

Twas a joke, Dan.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

San Francisco 49ers reached agreement with former Giants running back Brandon Jacobs. Per Adam Schefter

Ugh. First news of Brandon Belt possibly being sent down and now this. Hasn't been a good past 2 days of fandom. Not a fan of the signing and I hope SF drafts a RB to push him off the roster.

[Justone2]

As replacement for DIxon i am perfectly fine with him. He is the type of Back that compliments Hunter and is good for those short gains down the middle. Depending on the deal(knowing Baalke and our king of Contracts i guess its a good one) i must same i think its a good signing.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

I've just never been a big fan of his running style. Doesn't play to his size and I don't see him as much of an upgrade over Dixon. I would prefer to draft a bigger back on Day 2 or 3.

[VAfy-ya]

I honestly dont see him making the final 53. I see this a motivation for Dixon to push him right off the roster. He's on the tail end of a medicore career. Never seen a big guy run so soft. Camp fodder, me thinks.

[binary]

yeah, hopefully this is a move to help motivate Dixon, time for him to get his ish together and run with some urgency.

[Ness]

I really hate Brandon Jacobs.

[dan77733]

At least im not the only one who doesnt like the Jacobs signing. I agree with you guys, he's probably just fodder for TC and was signed to push Dixon. As for RB in the draft, I would wait until next year because at best, any RB drafted will be 3rd on the DC. Gore is the starter and Hunter is the backup. Dont see a drafted RB making any difference whatsoever plus we also have Cartwright who'll make the final 53 since he's basically the special teams replacement for Costanzo.

Will be shocked if we draft a RB and even more shocked if Jacobs makes the final 53.

[dan77733]

Twas a joke, Dan.

Oh, oops. In my defense, its definitely possible that Letui could eventually be 547 pounds. LOL.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Good luck with Jacobs. I personally was never a fan of his. But I wish him the best of luck.

[Brent]

Good luck with Jacobs. I personally was never a fan of his. But I wish him the best of luck.
I don't get the signing, unless it's meant to inspire Dixon.

[chapo123]

if the jacobs signing is something such as a 1 yr minimum deal i'd be ok with it...gore is the starter with hunter being the future...even if jacobs does stick around past the 53 man roster his role most likely will be short yardage and goal line situations. can't imagine more than that.

with all that being said i still hope they go for vick ballard in the draft.

[Justone2]

He is a great blocker too so you dont have to sacrifice Gore every play you want to block. For a small 1 year deal where we can easily cut him when Dixon steps his game up there is nothing wrong. Just like all the signings except problaby Manningham and Cartwright are going to get a chance in the offseason to compete and depth. Low-risk guys who if they reach there top are good guys to have behind the starters.

[edgrenade]

I love that this team is at the point now where it can draft based on depth purposes. It speaks volumes of the front office and coaching staff.

This team has come a VERY long way since 05

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I love that this team is at the point now where it can draft based on depth purposes. It speaks volumes of the front office and coaching staff.

This team has come a VERY long way since 05

The problem with winning a SB or being a very good team, whose players get a lot of awards and such is that it's hard to keep all of them in this free agency era. That makes keeping windows to win open very hard to do. You guys seemed primed to win now before you have to really break open the bank to sign people.

[Madirishman]

I wish Jacobs was as good at playing football as he was running his mouth about $#*% that he personally couldn't back up.

[VAfy-ya]

I love that this team is at the point now where it can draft based on depth purposes. It speaks volumes of the front office and coaching staff.

This team has come a VERY long way since 05

Perfect example of this is CJ Spillman/Colin Jones.

Spillman was a lowly waiver wire pick-up, after being released from the Chargers, brought in to shore up the STs. Spillman spends two years as mainly a STs contributor, working his way up enough to see some snaps in our goaline package last year. Baalke has evidently been eyeing his progress and seeing his potential, rewards him by re-signing him this off-season, with a more than likely increased role in the secondary. Now I'm sure Baalke knew Spillman could be pushing for more snaps in the secondary if he progressed the way he had envisioned so last year, he goes out and drafts another safety, Jones, particular for his ability as a STer. So as Spillman may see his role reduced on STs, we already have another ST ace in the fold. So while many are looking at the Colin Jones pick on draft day as a WTF moment, its a move that really is keyed by the developement of one player and domino effect of replacing key contributors in certain areas of the team. So when you move a guy up on the depth chart, you not leaving a hole, in the role he just vacated. And hopefully in a few years, if Jones progresses to point he is ready for a increased role, and Spillman is probably a UFA, looking for his big deal in free agency, if we aren't able to keep Spillman, we have a guy like Jones that we've been grooming. And the cycle continues.....

[thediggler3030]

Good luck with Jacobs. I personally was never a fan of his. But I wish him the best of luck.

I doubt the Jacobs contract is guaranteed. Even if it is, I expect its cheap.

Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas...

[Madirishman]

I doubt the Jacobs contract is guaranteed. Even if it is, I expect its cheap.

Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas...

Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas
Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > making Bear Pascoe your starting FB

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I doubt the Jacobs contract is guaranteed. Even if it is, I expect its cheap.

Underpaying for Brandon Jacobs > overpaying for David Baas...


From your perspective, within the frame work of your organization, that makes sense. From ours we drafted Jacobs, and paid for Baas and while he was hurt, I am happy with our investments.

It will be interesting to see Jacobs role within your team.

[Madirishman]

It will be interesting to see Jacobs role within your team.

Fighting for the 53, having to beat out Dixon and/or quite possibly a mid round draft pick.

[Msclemons67]

It will be interesting to see Jacobs role within your team.

The team still needs a right guard... :waiting:

[VAfy-ya]

From your perspective, within the frame work of your organization, that makes sense. From ours we drafted Jacobs, and paid for Baas and while he was hurt, I am happy with our investments.

It will be interesting to see Jacobs role within your team.

I'd be surprised if there is one. Unless he takes to the coaching, is highly motivated and embraces his role as a 3rd stringer.....all things, I dont see happening. He can't stay off the trainer's table and has younger, hungrier guys in front of him on the depth chart already. I'd be surprised if he gives us anything honestly.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Fighting for the 53, having to beat out Dixon and/or quite possibly a mid round draft pick.

If your OL is good at run blocking and can create holes, then Jacobs can be very effective, and in which case Dixon has no shot. If your OL struggles, and the skill set of the RB is to create something out of nothing, then Jacobs has no shot, lol!

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I'd be surprised if there is one. Unless he takes to the coaching, is highly motivated and embraces his role as a 3rd stringer.....all things, I dont see happening. He can't stay off the trainer's table and has younger, hungrier guys in front of him on the depth chart already. I'd be surprised if he gives us anything honestly.

Like I said in a previous post, it comes down to how good your OL can play. How good are the teams you are playing in terms of run defense? If your OL can run block the way we used to in 2007-2008 or near that era, then Jacobs can beat out Gore and be more productive. If not, and jacobs has to create something of nothing, then he will utterly fail.

Our OL went downhill, so the skill set of vision and creating something out of nothing was more important. That's where Jacobs became useless. However, when it comes to pass blocking he is one of the best. No LB or safety wants to run full speed into a 6'4 264 lb RB waiting there.

[Brent]

Like I said in a previous post, it comes down to how good your OL can play. How good are the teams you are playing in terms of run defense? If your OL can run block the way we used to in 2007-2008 or near that era, then Jacobs can beat out Gore and be more productive. If not, and jacobs has to create something of nothing, then he will utterly fail.

Our OL went downhill, so the skill set of vision and creating something out of nothing was more important. That's where Jacobs became useless. However, when it comes to pass blocking he is one of the best. No LB or safety wants to run full speed into a 6'4 264 lb RB waiting there.
This is where I could no longer take you serious.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

This is where I could no longer take you serious.

That's your choice, I been around football, at the college level, and worked with people in the NFL. When we had our OL run blocking at an elite level he got 5.0 yard s a carry and did well.

You highlighted a specific sent. but the part before that is the conditional part. If your OL is as productive in run block as our OL was back then, then Jacobs can do very well. If not, the fails. And I am speaking as someone who couldn't stand the guy. I thought he was the most over rated Giant in years. But, he gets his props, but like I said if your OL can run block like we used to Jacobs can do very well.

I am confident in my opinion from having coached and worked with NFL people. So take it as you may.

[Brent]

I refuse to accept that Jacobs could beat out Frank Gore. If the OL is creating the holes you suggest, you don't think Gore will be wildly successful?

[NY+Giants=NYG]

I refuse to accept that Jacobs could beat out Frank Gore. If the OL is creating the holes you suggest, you don't think Gore will be wildly successful?

That's fine your choice. Having seen what he can do when the table is set, and when an OL creates great running lane like we did, I know what he can bring to the table. That was the time period when we had a plug and play system, with Earth, wind, and fire.

Oh, I am sure he can do well. But then you can really see how physical a RB Jacobs can be and the way he can set the tone of a game due to his physical ability.

Like I said, I am probably Jacobs biggest critic, I am probably one of the few who can't stand the guy, but again, I am not afraid to give him props in the strengths of his game.

[Borat]

Gore is 10x better than Jacobs no matter how the Oline performs.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Gore is 10x better than Jacobs no matter how the Oline performs.

I agree, being more talented and that being translated into production are two different issues. I think Nicks, Dez Bryant are much more talented than Victor Cruz, however Cruz was more productive.

Look at my post, I was careful to say productive, and never said anything about talent. Jacobs is not that talented. I was waiting for the day when Bradshaw passed his arse on the depth chart. However, one thing Jacobs did well was being productive. If he wasn't that, he would have been cut ages ago. So again, talent and production are two different things.

[Menardo75]

I agree, being more talented and that being translated into production are two different issues. I think Nicks, Dez Bryant are much more talented than Victor Cruz, however Cruz was more productive.

Look at my post, I was careful to say productive, and never said anything about talent. Jacobs is not that talented. I was waiting for the day when Bradshaw passed his arse on the depth chart. However, one thing Jacobs did well was being productive. If he wasn't that, he would have been cut ages ago. So again, talent and production are two different things.

Jacobs isn't more productive than Gore either. You are way off base when comparing the two. There is not one more thing that Jacobs is more productive at than Gore. Gore is a just as physical, more explosive, better receiver, and better blocker. I don't doubt that Jacobs can be very productive behind a good offensive line. He better be you shouldn't be playing running back if you can't.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Jacobs isn't more productive than Gore either. You are way off base when comparing the two. There is not one more thing that Jacobs is more productive at than Gore. Gore is a just as physical, more explosive, better receiver, and better blocker. I don't doubt that Jacobs can be very productive behind a good offensive line. He better be you shouldn't be playing running back if you can't.

Jacobs is a much more physical RB than Gore. That's his only thing he is good at. He can't catch the ball well, and he is useless in any other running concept but except for LEAD and ISO. Zone, stretch, and toss is a waste of a play.

I am not comparing the two.. I said in a prior post, Gore had more talent. I'd take jacobs as a blocker any day over Gore. Outside of his physical ability, he is useless and I am glad he is gone.

Jacobs had 5.6 yards in 2010, and when our OL was god like, he was averaging 5.0 yards of carry. So he was very productive, unless you think that's not good. But outside of that, I never was a fan of his. So saying Gore is better, is not shocking. I agree... I was waiting until Jacobs would get cut. I never was a fan of his.

I never said Jacobs was better than Gore. I said if your OL was like ours at that given time period, Jacobs can be very productive, and could even be more productive than Gore.

I doubt your OL was like ours back then, so this renders the whole thing pointless anyways. I don't think, as of now, Jacobs being productive anyways, unless your OL, like I mentioned is as good as ours was back then. I don't see your OL being anywhere near as good as ours in 2007 and 2008 in rushing. So, having said that I doubt Jacobs would do anything anyways. So fear not, I expect Jacobs to be number 2 or 3.

[dan77733]

The only thing Jacobs has is his size and weight but he plays like he's half his size and this guy couldnt even beat out Bradshaw for more carries so no way in hell he surpasses Gore. Hell, he wont even surpass Hunter nor should he. Hopefully, Jacobs gets released before the season and be long gone. The sad part is that if Jacobs played on the field like he runs his mouth, he would probably still be the starter in NY but he's not because he's an average at best RB. He was signed to push Dixon and after pre-season when Dixon out plays Jacobs, he can be let go and move on.

Jacobs will be the 3rd at best RB for us as there's a better chance of everyone on this board kissing my ass then there is of Jacobs beating out Hunter for the second spot on the depth chart. We dont need Jacobs whatsoever and once he becomes a pain in the ass, he'll be gone. And hopefully, that day will come sooner rather than later.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

The only thing Jacobs has is his size and weight but he plays like he's half his size and this guy couldnt even beat out Bradshaw for more carries so no way in hell he surpasses Gore. Hell, he wont even surpass Hunter nor should he. Hopefully, Jacobs gets released before the season and be long gone. The sad part is that if Jacobs played on the field like he runs his mouth, he would probably still be the starter in NY but he's not because he's an average at best RB. He was signed to push Dixon and after pre-season when Dixon out plays Jacobs, he can be let go and move on.

Jacobs will be the 3rd at best RB for us as there's a better chance of everyone on this board kissing my ass then there is of Jacobs beating out Hunter for the second spot on the depth chart. We dont need Jacobs whatsoever and once he becomes a pain in the ass, he'll be gone. And hopefully, that day will come sooner rather than later.

That's another fact which I hated. He doesn't shut his mouth, which is very annoying! I said it when he was productive, and that was his success when it was good, in terms of production, was a function of our OL. That was when we had a plug and play system.

Realistically, I don't expect much from him. Maybe 2nd string if things are good. If not, and he gets cut, I hope to god we move on and don't re-sign him. Somehow our fan base likes me, which leaves me in the minority because I personally can't stand the guy.

[Justone2]

Hunter isn't a guy who can carry the load on his own and with the aging Gore you have to have a good blocker and big runner. Hunter is good for the change of pace but isn;t an every down back so Dixon and Jacobs may fight it out and get that spot.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Hunter isn't a guy who can carry the load on his own and with the aging Gore you have to have a good blocker and big runner. Hunter is good for the change of pace but isn;t an every down back so Dixon and Jacobs may fight it out and get that spot.

If jacobs does get cut, I am not sure any other team would pick him up. I'd be very surprised actually..

[VAfy-ya]

Jacobs is a much more physical RB than Gore. That's his only thing he is good at. He can't catch the ball well, and he is useless in any other running concept but except for LEAD and ISO. Zone, stretch, and toss is a waste of a play.

I am not comparing the two.. I said in a prior post, Gore had more talent. I'd take jacobs as a blocker any day over Gore. Outside of his physical ability, he is useless and I am glad he is gone.

Jacobs had 5.6 yards in 2010, and when our OL was god like, he was averaging 5.0 yards of carry. So he was very producteive, unless you think that's not good. But outside of that, I never was a fan of his. So saying Gore is better, is not shocking. I agree... I was waiting until Jacobs would get cut. I never was a fan of his.

I never said Jacobs was better than Gore. I said if your OL was like ours at that given time period, Jacobs can be very productive, and could even be more productive than Gore.

I doubt your OL was like ours back then, so this renders the whole thing pointless anyways. I don't think, as of now, Jacobs being productive anyways, unless your OL, like I mentioned is as good as ours was back then. I don't see your OL being anywhere near as good as ours in 2007 and 2008 in rushing. So, having said that I doubt Jacobs would do anything anyways. So fear not, I expect Jacobs to be number 2 or 3.

Our running scheme is nothing like what Gilbride runs so comparing O-Lines and how they run block is pointless. Bottom line, Jacobs is a infearior RB, on ALL levels to Gore(yes, even pass-blocking Gore is argubably best in league). He's been in pretty much the same offense his entire career so it will be interesting to see just how well he adapts to our scheme. I feel he isnt a upgrade to anything we do. He's just another body at this point. He's not as physical of runner as Gore. He only runs with power when he has a full head of stem and he has a DB in his sights. He hits the hole like he's walking on egg shells. We already have one big back with a penchant for bouncing runs to the outside. But he's a big vet that has had some success in the league. And being that Jimbaugh loves competition and players earning their keep, to me it seems to be a move to bolster the competitveness in the backfield, nothing more.

[dan77733]

Hunter isn't a guy who can carry the load on his own and with the aging Gore you have to have a good blocker and big runner. Hunter is good for the change of pace but isn;t an every down back so Dixon and Jacobs may fight it out and get that spot.

I agree. Hunter is a speed back but he's pretty good and should get more carries and more screen passes because of his small size, speed and quickness. Keeping Gore fresh is the key come December and January. Using Hunter more throughout the season will accomplish that. Jacobs/Dixon will be the 3rd RB either way but im hoping Dixon outplays Jacobs in pre-season because im not a fan of Jacobs and dont want him as a 49er.

[Brent]

Grant Cohn can be a bit lame at times.

[VAfy-ya]

Groundbreaking on the new stadium is scheduled for April 19th. New digs for the boys are on the way and loooooooooong overdue. Gotta get to Candlestick before it closes.

[Ness]

Groundbreaking on the new stadium is scheduled for April 19th. New digs for the boys are on the way and loooooooooong overdue. Gotta get to Candlestick before it closes.

Yes you have two years. Make them out.

[phlysac]

I want to pimp the heck out of this in the NFL Forum, but I don't wanna be "that guy."

This is just an insane 45 minutes of SICK!!!

gV94kJZriy0

[Ness]

Thanks for posting.

[Menardo75]

Bad news guys.... we have to look at these hideous things twice a year now

http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/photo-gallery/Photos-New-Uniform/d8a6def9-2713-40e2-bc03-3d5846d98dab#07f70484-2e77-4807-8060-a27759d309f3

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

I actually really like the design they did on the inside of the numbers. Here are the Nike 49ers jersey:
https://instagr.am/p/I9oJcMCekY/

No changes to color or scheme but overall different type of jersey design. Love the new v-neck. Jerseys look sleeker and tighter. The side mesh reminds me of the cool base jerseys MLB has.

Alex Smith modeling new jerseys.
https://twitter.com/#!/49ers/status/187208200876077056/photo/1/large

[Madirishman]

Bad news guys.... we have to look at these hideous things twice a year now

http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/photo-gallery/Photos-New-Uniform/d8a6def9-2713-40e2-bc03-3d5846d98dab#07f70484-2e77-4807-8060-a27759d309f3

Those are hideous but at least they aren't ALL lime green....but I bet they have an alternate setup that is. Another reason why I'm glad I'm not a 'Hawks fan.

[Ness]

Thank goodness ours didn't change very much.

[YAYareaRB]

there are some jerseys in the NFL and NCAA that you just cannot change.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

Adam Caplan Former #Rams C Jason Brown is scheduled to visit the #49ers this weekend, source confirms.

Panthers had him in for a visit a couple of weeks ago and were looking at him at guard.

[Brent]

there are some jerseys in the NFL and NCAA that you just cannot change.
but, apparently, red and gold shoes, no matter how hideous they look, seem to be okay? bring back the black ones.

[YAYareaRB]

I want to pimp the heck out of this in the NFL Forum, but I don't wanna be "that guy."

This is just an insane 45 minutes of SICK!!!

gV94kJZriy0

Man.. I got goosebumps as soon as the SF Anthem came on towards the end. Love that song!

Here's to another 45 minute video at the end of next season ending with the superbowl victory.

[YAYareaRB]

but, apparently, red and gold shoes, no matter how hideous they look, seem to be okay? bring back the black ones.

yeah i liked the black and red ones too

[phlysac]

yeah i liked the black and red ones too

I'm sure the shoes will change. Players have shoe contracts, so they won't just be wearing Nike shoes.

[YAYareaRB]

OG Jason Brown is set to visit this week.

Alex Smith is on a 500 man search for the missing 15-year old in Morgan Hill, California.

ESPN graded the NFC West offseason. each team had an A except for the cardinals.

[VAfy-ya]

Adam Caplan

Panthers had him in for a visit a couple of weeks ago and were looking at him at guard.

If he signs, I think its mostly likely to back-up center but Im sure they wouldnt mind him giving Kilgore some comp at RG. With Synder leaving, we dont have a back-up center for the 53, unless they move up Beeler from the PS, who I think is still a year away from making the roster. I think barring some last minute development, Kilgore will head into mini-camp as the starter at RG. They've brought in number of OGs and was only in serious contract talks with one of them(Schwartz). So that tells me that Baalke is fairly confident in Kilgore's abilities to man the RG spot.....which they should be, hence the trade up in last year's draft. I think we'll draft another OG but barring some major roster move, I assumed Kilgore has been penciled in as the starter. I will say this, if Kilgore is the starter and hits the ground running and has a solid season, you have to classify Baalke's draft as one of the best from last year, if it hasn't already.

[edgrenade]

I'm not saying that the results will be the same, but everyone was saying last year that we needed someone to come in after we let Takeo go. But we had Bowman to take his place and the staff knew what they had in him. Maybe it is the same situation with Snyder and Kilgore???

[MaybeDavis]

I'm not saying that the results will be the same, but everyone was saying last year that we needed someone to come in after we let Takeo go. But we had Bowman to take his place and the staff knew what they had in him. Maybe it is the same situation with Snyder and Kilgore???And I think now are better chances, because TKO was one of the best in '10 and Snyder was just a Back Up who fills in for Bust Rachal.

[49ersfan_87]

I'm not saying that the results will be the same, but everyone was saying last year that we needed someone to come in after we let Takeo go. But we had Bowman to take his place and the staff knew what they had in him. Maybe it is the same situation with Snyder and Kilgore???

I remember Mike Sando writing that the 49ers viewed Bowman as a Jon Beason type of playmaker. I thought they were crazy if it was true, but 1 all-pro year later, here we are. Barrows also wrote this

The 49ers' intent is to have a veteran compete with second-year player Daniel Kilgore for the starting job this summer.

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/#storylink=cpy

Which makes it seem like we don't want a rookie, but Kilgore starting, and just want a veteran backup as insurance. Considering our activity at OG this year (letting Snyder and Rachal go, slow-playing the OG market), i would guess that we have a good level of confidence in Kilgore as a starter, and just want depth. So i agree with the points VAFY made above. And if this is true, you could knock OG off the big needs and make it a depth priority, which truly means we're able to go BPA.

[YAYareaRB]

after re-watching last seasons highlights, i think goldson deserves a fat contract

[Brent]

I was watching this Kirk Cousins video, but all I keep seeing are B.J. Cunningham highlights:

5pLvCYm_yNg

He makes Cousins look like a competent QB, and the more I watch, the more I like.

[YAYareaRB]

I was watching this Kirk Cousins video, but all I keep seeing are B.J. Cunningham highlights:

5pLvCYm_yNg

He makes Cousins look like a competent QB, and the more I watch, the more I like.

im a BJ fan (whoa) as well.

[Madirishman]

I thought the Niners 2005 Draft class was pretty bad with only Gore being productive from the class, as Alex was underachieving for many years, Baas having one good season in a walk year, and Snyder being ok as a fill-in lineman with nobody else really contributing to the team long term. BUT, the 2008 draft class took the cake.

Barrow pointed out that with Reggie Smith's signing with the Panthers, there is not much left departure of the 49ers' dubious 2008 draft class. The most productive member of that class, receiver Joshua Morgan, signed with the Redskins last month and though Grant played well last year, he was originally cut and brought back from the Rams after he developed.

2008 draft class
Rd 1 DE Kentwan Balmer
Rd 2 G Chilo Rachal
Rd 3 S Reggie Smith
Rd 4 C Cody Wallace
Rd 5 pick forfeited for tampering
Rd 6 WR Joshua Morgan
Rd 7 LB Larry Grant

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

How pathetic this group turned out to be. It's amazing that the Niners have as much talent on their roster as they do with how putrid this class was overall and the fact that they almost all aren't even on the team anymore, making sure there aren't any long term starters from the group.

[YAYareaRB]

i really wanted Kenny Phillips instead of Balmer that year and Desean in the 2nd. :(

[Madirishman]

i really wanted Kenny Phillips instead of Balmer that year and Desean in the 2nd. :(

Yes, I was in the Phillips camp as well or someone else besides Balmer. When they drafted him, I was scratching my head and tried to buy in but really couldn't. I now understand why.

[49ersfan_87]

I thought the Niners 2005 Draft class was pretty bad with only Gore being productive from the class, as Alex was underachieving for many years, Baas having one good season in a walk year, and Snyder being ok as a fill-in lineman with nobody else really contributing to the team long term. BUT, the 2008 draft class took the cake.

Barrow pointed out that with Reggie Smith's signing with the Panthers, there is not much left departure of the 49ers' dubious 2008 draft class. The most productive member of that class, receiver Joshua Morgan, signed with the Redskins last month and though Grant played well last year, he was originally cut and brought back from the Rams after he developed.

2008 draft class
Rd 1 DE Kentwan Balmer
Rd 2 G Chilo Rachal
Rd 3 S Reggie Smith
Rd 4 C Cody Wallace
Rd 5 pick forfeited for tampering
Rd 6 WR Joshua Morgan
Rd 7 LB Larry Grant

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy

How pathetic this group turned out to be. It's amazing that the Niners have as much talent on their roster as they do with how putrid this class was overall and the fact that they almost all aren't even on the team anymore, making sure there aren't any long term starters from the group.

Both 08 and 09 were mediocre drafts at best. We got Morgan, Grant, Crabtree, RJF, and Boone from those 2 years. 2 decent starters (1 who's already left the team), and 3 backups. Also keep in mind that besides Crabtree, these are all late-rounders/UDFA's. Both years included huge wastes of draft picks like Balmer, Rachal, Wallace, and Coffee. Reggie Smith was nothing special either. I thought he could take the next step in 2011 but he didn't. I wish him well but i think he's a career backup, and i'd like someone with a bit more potential as our 3rd Safety. I'm excited to see what Spillman, Jones, Nelms (2011 UDFA) or a rookie can do as our backups.

[Brent]

i really wanted Kenny Phillips instead of Balmer that year and Desean in the 2nd. :(
so were like 99% of the Niner fan posters haha

[Borat]

so were like 99% of the Niner fan posters haha

Meh. Lots of revisionist history going on here. I remember Quinton Groves being the popular choice that year.

[dan77733]

I wanted Phillips that year and I remember that crap. I was stuck at work listening to the Draft on the radio. I missed who the 49ers picked and had to wait until I got home. When I saw who it was, I was so pissed and disappointed. And it is amazing that the team has as much talent as it does despite that horrible draft from 2008 and an average 2009 draft.

[phlysac]

Nelms (2011 UDFA) or a rookie can do as our backups.

I'd forgotten about Nelms. He needs to get bigger if he hasn't already. A 6' 190lb safety isn't going to cut it.

It wouldn't surprise me to see Baalke draft a conversion or two this year. Passing league translates to tall, physical CBs playing safety.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_49ers_bounty_0 40412

Just makes that win vs the Saints that much sweeter.

Link to audio by Gregg Williams the night before the Saints/49ers playoff game. Nice to see karma still exists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fhnn9kbqQUA

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

I'm excited to see what Spillman, Jones, Nelms (2011 UDFA) or a rookie can do as our backups.

Not sure if SF can depend on Jones as a backup at safety. Baalke said that Jones is going to play some WR at OTA's because they still aren't sure where he fits on offense or defense. I don't see Nelms moving to safety. He nearly made the roster out of camp at corner and I think he has the best chance out of Holcomb and Cox to take Spencer's roster spot on the 53 man.

[edgrenade]

Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_49ers_bounty_0 40412

Just makes that win vs the Saints that much sweeter.

Link to audio by Gregg Williams the night before the Saints/49ers playoff game. Nice to see karma still exists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fhnn9kbqQUA

That audio of Wiliiams' speech is crazy! It makes me even happier that we won!!!

[Madirishman]

Source: Gregg Williams instructed Saints during speech to injure Niners offensive players
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_gregg_williams_speech_saints_49ers_bounty_0 40412

Just makes that win vs the Saints that much sweeter.

Link to audio by Gregg Williams the night before the Saints/49ers playoff game. Nice to see karma still exists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=fhnn9kbqQUA

Good luck with those appeals today Saints! LOVE the timing.

Yes, I was going to post this. Makes me sick. I know football is a borderline gladiator sport but this is over the line. There is enough incidental violence as it is for us to all be plenty entertained. Players shouldn't need this kind of motivation. It DOES make you further understand why someone like Gore wants his money so badly when he has a chance to get it though.

SOOO glad the Niners beat the crap out of the Saints that day. Where's the postgame audio file of him pissing and moaning, using racial slurs, calling the defensive players horrible things? :)

[YAYareaRB]

its funny how he says "they're gonna be shocked at our physicality" and pierre thomas goes to sleep in the first quarter hahahhaha **** you saints

[YAYareaRB]

they were pretty much paying a bounty for things that the niners were doing all season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/57371/49ers-putting-the-hurt-on-opposing-backs

[dan77733]

Just watched PFT Live and saw the quotes and heard the audio of what Gregg Williams said. What a POS of a human being. Its one thing when players get injured because of the game itself and its just something that happens but to intentionally injure players who are human beings trying to earn and make a living for themselves and their families. Williams didnt cross the line, he erased it. He should never ever be allowed back period.

And I would love to hear the speech Fewell gave before the Giants game in regards to Kyle Williams. I wouldnt be surprised if he said something about going after Williams' head.

[VAfy-ya]

Both 08 and 09 were mediocre drafts at best. We got Morgan, Grant, Crabtree, RJF, and Boone from those 2 years. 2 decent starters (1 who's already left the team), and 3 backups. Also keep in mind that besides Crabtree, these are all late-rounders/UDFA's. Both years included huge wastes of draft picks like Balmer, Rachal, Wallace, and Coffee. Reggie Smith was nothing special either. I thought he could take the next step in 2011 but he didn't. I wish him well but i think he's a career backup, and i'd like someone with a bit more potential as our 3rd Safety. I'm excited to see what Spillman, Jones, Nelms (2011 UDFA) or a rookie can do as our backups.

I still think R. Smith has a ton of potential. But as a guy who campagin for him all last off-season as player who could fill the void at FS if Goldson walked, he just flat out blew last year when his number was called. Who knows what would have happended had he not gotten hurt during TC because all the talk early in was how good he looked. He had the same injury Braylon had and he was so bad after the injury we released him so maybe the injury had something to do with it but it is what it is. Wish the kid the best.

[VAfy-ya]

Not sure if SF can depend on Jones as a backup at safety. Baalke said that Jones is going to play some WR at OTA's because they still aren't sure where he fits on offense or defense. I don't see Nelms moving to safety. He nearly made the roster out of camp at corner and I think he has the best chance out of Holcomb and Cox to take Spencer's roster spot on the 53 man.

They moved Nelms to safety last year during the regular season. I'll try to find the link to the article but I remember reading about it. I think he's listed as a "DB" instead of "CB" as a result

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

They moved Nelms to safety last year during the regular season. I'll try to find the link to the article but I remember reading about it. I think he's listed as a "DB" instead of "CB" as a result

They still list him as CB on sf49ers.com but Barrows had a few tidbits:
02/07 blog:
changed another youngster's position - that of Cory Nelms - from cornerback to safety. Nelms, an undrafted rookie in 2011, put on about 10 pounds during the season.


02/01 blog:
Practice squad player Cory Nelms, who spent training camp as a cornerback, is now being eyed as a safety although he could be asked to switch when the numbers at both positions are better settled.


Did not know he packed on that much weight. Be interesting to see where he stands after the draft.

[VAfy-ya]

They still list him as CB on sf49ers.com but Barrows had a few tidbits:
02/07 blog:


02/01 blog:



Did not know he packed on that much weight. Be interesting to see where he stands after the draft.


Yea, he was a back-up safety at Miami so not really a big surprise.

[YAYareaRB]

EPIC

VwOPqwROIBQ

[Madirishman]

Good sell on Kilgore by the team with the .com article from today:

http://www.49ers.com/news-and-events/article-2/Daniel-Kilgore-Bulks-Up-/2272ea20-bfcf-4bbb-bcd2-7c3ce92569ef

[phlysac]

I'm starting to think about how sexy something like this would look for years...


Joe Staley | Mike Iupati | Daniel Kilgore | Amini Silatolu | Anthony Davis

[VAfy-ya]

Lets not forget about Person. Word is he's a guy who could be a jack of all trades, ala Synder. And I really like Boone as the future at LT. But if Kilgore could man Center and we drafted a stud OG, that would be one hell of a interior to build from.

[phlysac]

And I really like Boone as the future at LT.

Staley being signed through 2017 certainly makes that interesting.

[VAfy-ya]

Staley being signed through 2017 certainly makes that interesting.

2017? I thought it through was 2014? Meh, Im not the biggest Staley fan....if Boone continues to make strides, it could get interesting as Staley's cap number increases.

[dan77733]

Staley is signed through the 2017 season. He did good in 2011. Giving up only six sacks and no holding penalties. Below are his salaries for the rest of his contract and I dont see him losing his starting LT spot until 2015 unless he gets injured. $5.1m for the next three seasons to be the starting LT. Thats mad cheap. Oh well, yay for us. :)

2012: $1.3 million, 2013: $1.6 million, 2014: $2.2 million, 2015: $4 million, 2016: $4.9 million, 2017: $5.75 million, 2018: Free Agent

[YAYareaRB]

im still baffled how harbaugh looked at bruce miller and saw a fullback.. and a damn good one at that. i think he was such a steal

[YAYareaRB]

I'm starting to think about how sexy something like this would look for years...


Joe Staley | Mike Iupati | Daniel Kilgore | Amini Silatolu | Anthony Davis

maulers. trench dogs at its finest. i hope anthony davis reaches his potential because if he does, its gonna get ugly

[Menardo75]

maulers. trench dogs at its finest. i hope anthony davis reaches his potential because if he does, its gonna get ugly

I feel like him and Iupati were the two guys hit the hardest by the lockout. I am expecting both of them to make huge leaps this year.

[VAfy-ya]

I feel like him and Iupati were the two guys hit the hardest by the lockout. I am expecting both of them to make huge leaps this year.

My thoughts as well....

[YAYareaRB]

if we got a dog guard to play next to davis and move kilgore to center.. easily the nastiest o line in the game.. easily

[THIZZorDIE]

How many picks is it going to cost to trade up into the teens, in the case Decastro falls past the Bengals? 1st, 3rd, and 5th? Or move up in the second to get Zeitler or Silatolu? Given we're picking 32nd next season, perhaps we trade out of the 1st alltogether and stockpile next seasons draft.

[phlysac]

How many picks is it going to cost to trade up into the teens, in the case Decastro falls past the Bengals? 1st, 3rd, and 5th? Or move up in the second to get Zeitler or Silatolu? Given we're picking 32nd next season, perhaps we trade out of the 1st alltogether and stockpile next seasons draft.

It would cost far, far too much to get DeCastro but...

What are people's thoughts on dealing next year's 1st for a really high 2nd?

Sacrifice next years 1st rd for 3 of the top 60 this season?

[Menardo75]

It would cost far, far too much to get DeCastro but...

What are people's thoughts on dealing next year's 1st for a really high 2nd?

Sacrifice next years 1st rd for 3 of the top 60 this season?

I am thinking if Fleener and Hill are off the board the Niners are going to trade into the second and pick up a 1 next year.

[Madirishman]

I am thinking if Fleener and Hill are off the board the Niners are going to trade into the second and pick up a 1 next year.

Agree. They are at a point talent-wise that if their guy isn't there, then they can trade down and stockpile for this year or next year. I'd prefer mainly future picks as they already have so many roster locks right now as it is. They don't need to be taking guys in the late 4th or early 5th that may not make the P-Squad due to other weaker teams swooping.

[dan77733]

I am thinking if Fleener and Hill are off the board the Niners are going to trade into the second and pick up a 1 next year.

Agree. With that said, im still hoping for Fleener the most followed by Hill. If we get either, I'll be happy but if both are available, I prefer Fleener. If both are gone, then trading for a future first would be awesome.

[Brent]

I am thinking if Fleener and Hill are off the board the Niners are going to trade into the second and pick up a 1 next year.
You're assuming someone will want to trade up.

[Menardo75]

You're assuming someone will want to trade up.

I think someone will try and trade up for one of the DT's if a guy like Still, or Reyes is still there. Also I think a team trading up to get Osweiler there is a possibility, but it's a huge darkhorse scenario.

[Shupp]

Kilgore sexy? Based on what? Remember when everybody thought Rachal was going to be a pro bowl RG? Seems everybody overestimates OL that haven't done anything yet.

[Shupp]

if we got a dog guard to play next to davis and move kilgore to center.. easily the nastiest o line in the game.. easily

I guess everybody is drinking the Kilgore gatorade? lol

[YAYareaRB]

I guess everybody is drinking the Kilgore gatorade? lol

well you must have the inside beat on kilgore. if the coaches and baalke are penciling him in as the starter, im going with their judgement

[Shupp]

well you must have the inside beat on kilgore. if the coaches and baalke are penciling him in as the starter, im going with their judgement

Yeah well Trent also penciled in Rachal as a long term, dominant Guard. I'm just not overly confident in a late round draft pick who could not even get a handful of snaps last year. Really no reason to think he can start.

[YAYareaRB]

Yeah well Trent also penciled in Rachal as a long term, dominant Guard. I'm just not overly confident in a late round draft pick who could not even get a handful of snaps last year. Really no reason to think he can start.

actually when trent moved to general manager, chilo rachal got demoted to 2nd string. jim harbaugh is the guy who makes the decisions on depth chart though, im sure.. but nice try.

kilgore is athletic and nasty. whats not to be excited about. we have a physical right guard for a change.

and even when its all laid out, i would trust trent baalke and jim harbaughs decision making, when it comes to football, over yours 100 times over.

[Shupp]

actually when trent moved to general manager, chilo rachal got demoted to 2nd string. jim harbaugh is the guy who makes the decisions on depth chart though, im sure.. but nice try.

kilgore is athletic and nasty. whats not to be excited about. we have a physical right guard for a change.

and even when its all laid out, i would trust trent baalke and jim harbaughs decision making, when it comes to football, over yours 100 times over.

Lol it's great to be naive and all but have you ever thought that maybe there's a reason Kilgore was a late round pick and did not sniff the field last year?

[49ersfan_87]

Lol it's great to be naive and all but have you ever thought that maybe there's a reason Kilgore was a late round pick and did not sniff the field last year?

They did trade up for him. Maybe they had a higher grade on him than where they drafted him.

As for not seeing the field his rookie year, thats hardly an indictment. Lots of players don't see time their rookie year, and many that do struggle. A full season and offseason of learning can do wonders. I'm not saying he will be a stud, i'm just saying don't write him off because he's young and inexperienced.

[YAYareaRB]

Lol it's great to be naive and all but have you ever thought that maybe there's a reason Kilgore was a late round pick and did not sniff the field last year?

late round pick.. division 1-aa player. believe it or not, you dont have to be picked in the 1st or 2nd round to be a good player. your chances at playing dont die at the draft if you're not chosen on day 1. especially at offensive line.

jahri evans OG round 4
carl nicks OG round 5
jason peters OT undrafted
shaun o'hara OG undrafted
tyson clabo OT undrafted
donald penn OT undrafted
brian waters OG undrafted
kris dielman OG undrafted
jeff saturday C undrafted

now these are just guys from the 2011 pro bowl roster. am i saying kilgore is gonna be like them? no. he might not even come close. but the coaching staff believes hes ready to be a starter, so i believe hes ready to be a starter.

didn't sniff the field. its called development. aaron rodgers didn't see playing time for 3 seasons and nobody closed the book on him. what do you think? people just get drafted and if they dont go high, they dont play? they dont get a chance to the develope their game? why even have a 7 round draft? why not have 1 round every year?

anthony davis was thrown in the fire from day 1 and got his ass whooped for most of the season. is that what you wanna see from kilgore? instead of a years worth of development before he touches the field? and you call me naive?

[Shupp]

late round pick.. division 1-aa player. believe it or not, you dont have to be picked in the 1st or 2nd round to be a good player. your chances at playing dont die at the draft if you're not chosen on day 1. especially at offensive line

didn't sniff the field. its called development. aaron rodgers didn't see playing time for 3 seasons and nobody closed the book on him. what do you think? people just get drafted and if they dont go high, they dont play? they dont get a chance to the develope their game? why even have a 7 round draft? why not have 1 round every year?

anthony davis was thrown in the fire from day 1 and got his ass whooped for most of the season. is that what you wanna see from kilgore? instead of a years worth of development before he touches the field? and you call me naive?

Ahh, so you're saying that you are excited that a player who was not even ready to be a 2nd string guard last year is set to start this year. Yup, I changed my mind. The idea of Kilgore starting has me excited now. I guess that year of sitting on the bench made him a totally different player. And don't make yourself look like a fool by comparing a guard to a QB. If this guy really showed that much talent in practice he would have at least supplanted someone for a 2nd string spot. Good lord we are talking about a guard here, the blocking assignments are not brain surgery. Even undrafted rookies are routinely able to secure 2nd string jobs.

[YAYareaRB]

i wasn't comparing guards to qbs i was comparing the fact that he sat the first 3 years of his career and now hes a top 3 qb in the league with a superbowl ring.

a years worth of sitting and learning the offense and the position means a lot. i agree it would take a lot longer to develope a qb than a guard.. that is why people think he is ready. he sat and developed for a whole season AND off-season or as you put it "sitting on the bench".

what do you make of the list of the late round undrafted pro bowl offensive lineman in the my last post?

jahri evans OG round 4
carl nicks OG round 5
jason peters OT undrafted
shaun o'hara OG undrafted
tyson clabo OT undrafted
donald penn OT undrafted
brian waters OG undrafted
kris dielman OG undrafted
jeff saturday C undrafted

[phlysac]

I have no problem with a fan bitching about the situation/development of a certain player. I just wish they would come to the table with their thoughts of improving the situation instead of just perpetuating the negative opinion.


What would you like done at G?

[YAYareaRB]

have you ever heard of projects? thats exactly what daniel kilgore was expected to be when got drafted, a project. not a guy who can come in and start but a guy who needed to sit and learn for a season or two and come in and provide solid minutes.

iupati even struggled because he didn't have the adequate "sit and learn" time. and we all know anthony davis' struggles.

[YAYareaRB]

I have no problem with a fan bitching about the situation/development of a certain player. I just wish they would come to the table with their thoughts of improving the situation instead of just perpetuating the negative opinion.


What would you like done at G?

exactly. came in here looking down on us because we get excited for one our own players. ******* high and mighty like he knows something harbaugh doesn't

[Shupp]

I have no problem with a fan bitching about the situation/development of a certain player. I just wish they would come to the table with their thoughts of improving the situation instead of just perpetuating the negative opinion.


What would you like done at G?
I'm not trying to be negative but for people to be "excited", or think the prospect of him starting is "sexy" seems crazy to me. I know that it's a possibility for him to be or become a good player and it would be a terrific bonus if that turns out to be the case but I would be pretty nervous if he opened the season as our starter.

Where else on our roster do we plan on starting a 5th round pick who hasn't played yet? I think we have a tendency to fall in love with our OL draft picks before they have done anything. I think back to when we drafted Rachal and many were plugging him into the pro bowl before he saw a snap. I don't see that kind of unbridled optimism at any other position.

We have been bringing in veteran guards every week so I'm sure we will end up signing one for close to the league minimum so we at least have an option at RG. Call me crazy but out of the guards left on the market, Rachal might not be a bad option but I doubt he'd come back. I think it's critical we sign someone before the draft so we can be free to pick the BPA.

[Menardo75]

I'm not trying to be negative but for people to be "excited", or think the prospect of him starting is "sexy" seems crazy to me. I know that it's a possibility for him to be or become a good player and it would be a terrific bonus if that turns out to be the case but I would be pretty nervous if he opened the season as our starter.

Where else on our roster do we plan on starting a 5th round pick who hasn't played yet? I think we have a tendency to fall in love with our OL draft picks before they have done anything. I think back to when we drafted Rachal and many were plugging him into the pro bowl before he saw a snap. I don't see that kind of unbridled optimism at any other position.

We have been bringing in veteran guards every week so I'm sure we will end up signing one for close to the league minimum so we at least have an option at RG. Call me crazy but out of the guards left on the market, Rachal might not be a bad option but I doubt he'd come back. I think it's critical we sign someone before the draft so we can be free to pick the BPA.

Everyone was high on Rachal because the limited time he saw as a rookie he was a beast. Obviously that didn't translate what so ever. I still don't see why you are so butt hurt about everyone being excited to see what the Niners have in Kilgore. Nobody said he's going to be a pro bowler. It's always exciting to see guys your team picked late in the draft play and see what they can do.

[Madirishman]

Rachal had the physical skills, though raw, to be a great NFL Guard and likely would have been a first round pick had he stayed at USC another year. It was well-documented that he came out a little early as he wanted to make $ to support his mother, which he did, but he seemingly cared more about the initial cash than earning a second bigger contract. He has talent but lacked maturity and a driving motivation and his focus and play suffered from it. He may go somewhere else and end up maturing and making an impact, salvaging his career. Or he may be completely out of the league in the next year or two as well. That's how it goes in the NFL.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

It would cost far, far too much to get DeCastro but...

What are people's thoughts on dealing next year's 1st for a really high 2nd?

Sacrifice next years 1st rd for 3 of the top 60 this season?

I like the idea, who would you target if you jumped back into round 2? I would also imagine that the Pats pick at #31 is there for the taking. Offer a similar package to what the Saints offered to leap back into round 1 last year (Future 1st+Pick #61). Would put SF in position to come away with Hill or Fleener and Konz or Zeitler.

[phlysac]

I like the idea, who would you target if you jumped back into round 2? I would also imagine that the Pats pick at #31 is there for the taking. Offer a similar package to what the Saints offered to leap back into round 1 last year (Future 1st+Pick #61). Would put SF in position to come away with Hill or Fleener and Konz or Zeitler.

A ton of similarly graded players between 20-40. If Baalke targets a couple that are still on the board at 30 he may want to trade down, but finding a partner can be difficult. Make a pick at #30 and then find someone to move out of their pick all together.

[VAfy-ya]

I guess everybody is drinking the Kilgore gatorade? lol

If you watched him play during pre-season last year, you would understand. Just like Dobbs on the defensive side, they both were unsung rookies who literally had only four weeks of NFL experience, yet flashed solid play in those four games. The book on Kilgore was obvious. Coming from a small school, going against inferior comp, he needed to bulk up some and learn the pro game. But that doesn't mean the he lacked skills/ability or was some bum because he couldn't overtake Rachal, who despite his flaws is a dominate run-blocker, and Synder who is a savy vet who has experience and helped steady the right side in pass-pro with Davis. Sometimes its as simple as a guy just not being ready. But not being ready is not the same as not having ability. Alot of us are excited because Kilgore has displayed ability.....against 2nd and 3rd stringers in games that dont count, but you have to start somewhere. The question: Is he ready to be a starter?

[Rabscuttle]

If the staff doesn't feel Kilgore is ready to step in I'm pretty sure they will inform Baalke that an upgrade is needed and the situation will be dealt with. Signing a warm body that isn't an upgrade doesn't really do anything at this point as there is the draft and cuts coming over the next couple of months.

Glenn is a draft option that could be considered without having to move up as far as it would take to get DeCastro and he has the upside to possibly play either tackle position down the road with some development. Perhaps Glenn may not require a trade up all, but I doubt he is available very far into the second round if he does make it that far.

I would still prefer a receiver in the first or a high upside d-line prospect to develop. (Two starters in their thirties and another with hamstring issues makes this a situation that should be addressed proactively. Replacing the production of an all-pro is not an easy accomplishment and their will be a huge drop off with a rookie that hasn't had time to develop.)

[thediggler3030]

I'm not trying to be negative but for people to be "excited", or think the prospect of him starting is "sexy" seems crazy to me. I know that it's a possibility for him to be or become a good player and it would be a terrific bonus if that turns out to be the case but I would be pretty nervous if he opened the season as our starter.

Where else on our roster do we plan on starting a 5th round pick who hasn't played yet?

I actually agree with this. Kilgore could be an amazing OG at some point. But it is wishful thinking to assume that he can just be plugged in with no struggles and succeed. Anthony Davis is a perfect example of a talented, and raw, player struggling after being forced into a spot on the OL.

I think the Niners are aware of this though, and are at least bringing in a vet to make Kilgore compete with. I will be much more comfortable with Kilgore if he beats a quality FA or draft pick out.

I personally want an OG in the first 3 rounds of the draft. Someone like Silatolu, Zeitler, Brandon Brooks, Brandon Washington or Michael Brewster. I would be fine with RG being a development battle.

[dan77733]

I rather have Shupp starting at RG for us instead of Rachal. Rachal, UGH, I think I just threw up in my mouth. UGH.

[VAfy-ya]

I rather have Shupp starting at RG for us instead of Rachal. Rachal, UGH, I think I just threw up in my mouth. UGH.

Rachal still has a chance if he goes to the right scheme. A place that doesn't ask him to pull alot and doesn't iso him in gaps and gives some help with quicker DTs. He's one of the best run-blocking OGs in the game. When we had Martz, he looked promising because Martz runs alot of 7 step drops with max protect. It was alot of tandem blocking with the Center and RG walling off an area and TEs helping to chip on the outside rushers. And in the run game, it was alot of power and quick traps, things Rachal can do well. When Raye came in and implemented more zone blocking schemes and pulling, it wasnt the best fit to Rachal skill-set. Plus teams learned you could could fluster him with stunts, as he doesnt recognize them as quickly as he should and his footwork is lousy anytime he has to come off one defender and onto another. He's like any other young O-Lineman who has flashed ability but also inability as well, its all about the scheme he goes to and what they ask him to do. Its been said that he maybe isnt as studious at his craft as he should. If that's the case, he defintely needs to improve his work ethic. But he isnt the worst OG in the league, believe it or not.

[Shupp]

I rather have Shupp starting at RG for us instead of Rachal. Rachal, UGH, I think I just threw up in my mouth. UGH.

I'd have to bulk up a bit first, I'm tipping the scales at 185 right now.

I would love Glenn at 30 but I haven't seen a single mock that has him slipping that far (not that that means much). Picking at 30 though...it's impossible to guess who would be there. A lot different than last year when we only had to guess what 6 players would be picked first ( and we were still surprised..lol)

[Shupp]

49ers currently 4.1 mill under the cap, per Matt Maiocco. We will have to make a cut and/or restructure a contract just so we can sign our draft picks...goodbye Anthony Dixon?

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

Alex Boone to get crack at Adam Synder's old position:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Boone-expected-to-get-chance-to-compete-?blockID=686430&feedID=2539&awid=6315383437473995514-766

Would prefer to keep Boone as a backup swing tackle. Don't mind experimenting during OTAs but would rather have him back at tackle, at the start of TC, if this doesn't work out.

[YAYareaRB]

i like that they're at least trying him out there. he seems like a tough, athletic guy. might work

[Rabscuttle]

I believe taking a look at moving Davis inside and having Boone on his shoulder should be given consideration (and it probably has) even with Davis having a large contract for a right guard. Those two together is a lot of angry to deal with.

[Menardo75]

I think they are grooming Person to be that backup swing T/OG guard like Snyder. As long as the best 5 are on the field i'm happy. That is a massive o-line with Boone in there though.

[Borat]

Maybe they think Reiff is going to get to #30 and they can move Davis or Boone inside to RG? I wouldn't mind that at all.

[VAfy-ya]

I like Boone at OT. Nothing wrong with moving guys around and seeing guys in a different light but I think Boone is a natural OT. As much potential I think Davis has at RT, he makes more sense to give a couple of looks inside because he's better trench guy than Boone. But I dont see that happening, not this early in his career anyways. But they re-signed Boone for a reason....kid has talent and they want to see it on the field. Not sure OG is the way the go though.

[49ersfan_87]

Sure this has been posted before, just i'd post it again in case anyone is interested. A complete rundown of our FA period (who we re-signed, signed, let go, etc)

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers----offseason-at-a-glance?blockID=679290&feedID=2539

Only changes are Brett Swain was re-signed, and Reggie Smith (CAR) and Madieu Williams (WAS) have moved on.

We still have 3 unsigned FA's from our team on the open market- Justin Peele, Moran Norris, and Chilo Rachal.

Norris's career is likely over. Old run-blocking FB. Peele's likely is too, as he's an old blocking TE. But he could find work if someone gets injured midseason. Rachal will get a flyer at some point. Other than that, every FA on our team has been signed by a NFL team and is currently on a roster.

[Madirishman]

I prefer Boone as a valuable swing tackle and I prefer that they keep Davis at RT until he fully matures at the position or they give up on him at that position. Only then should they look to move him into RG as he is a mauler in the run game. Draft someone to compete with Kilgore or take the position outright continue to develop Kilgore as both a guard and a center as he could take over for Goodwin in the next year or two.

[YAYareaRB]

anthony davis at guard could be a great thing. hes big, relatively quick, and aggressive. he struggled in space against quicker defensive ends in pass pro but nobody was ******* with him in run blocking. i still want him to play tackle tho because i still think he can be good at that position too.

[YAYareaRB]

i dont know if any of you madden players but i just got back into it with the updated rosters and all. justin smith is a 99. ******* awesome! ray mcdonald was an 87. bruce miller was a 75 i believe.

[Ness]

i dont know if any of you madden players but i just got back into it with the updated rosters and all. justin smith is a 99. ******* awesome! ray mcdonald was an 87. bruce miller was a 75 i believe.

What about Alex Smith, Dashon Goldson and Vernon Davis?

[Madirishman]

The Niners will be legit on Madden 13, with many of their players finally getting the ratings that properly equate with their talent. I am interested in what Alex ratings will be. The highest he ever was before was in the very low 80's, early in his career based mainly on his draft status.

[Menardo75]

What about Alex Smith, Dashon Goldson and Vernon Davis?

Alex - 86 Goldson - 84 Davis - 95

[YAYareaRB]

The Niners will be legit on Madden 12, with many of their players finally getting the ratings that properly equate with their talent. I am interested in what Alex ratings will be. The highest he ever was before was in the very low 80's, early in his career based mainly on his draft status.

alex is an 86 in madden 12.

[Madirishman]

alex is an 86 in madden 12.

On the update but not when the game was released. He was a 78 or 79 I believe, not even in the 80's.

[Ness]

Alex - 86 Goldson - 84 Davis - 95

I thought Goldson would be a little higher. At least an 87.

The Niners will be legit on Madden 13, with many of their players finally getting the ratings that properly equate with their talent.

I expect the 49ers to have the highest rated defense next season in the game.

[dan77733]

Madden??? UGH. What a piece of crap that series has been since the bought the rights to the license. So sad that the NFL doesnt care about quality. Oh well, im just hoping that Willis loses to Newton or whoever the hell he's facing because I dont want him on the Madden cover.

[jojo]

I prefer Boone as a valuable swing tackle and I prefer that they keep Davis at RT until he fully matures at the position or they give up on him at that position.

Once more I agree with Irish, we've always been big on Boone once he got rehabbed his rookie yr., & have always thought that he earned his place at the table last yr. (yeah guys it's me, glad to be back) -- this yr. it's put up or shut up for Davis at RT. Yeah, great run blocker, but gets whacked too often in pass protection. Unless they find somebody better Boone may find himself starting with someone else (Staley?) the swingman.

What was lost in the media hype over Harbaugh's miraculous 14-4 season was that there is still immense work to be done on that OL. How did they do against Demarcus Ware in Game 2? not so good, that game was an overtime loss. And remember when they went on the road Thanksgiving night in B-More:facepalm: Smith never had time to set up, much less throw. Granted it was vs. one of the best pass rushes in the NFL, but it should have been a wakeup call about their pass protection.

[YAYareaRB]

Madden??? UGH. What a piece of crap that series has been since the bought the rights to the license. So sad that the NFL doesnt care about quality. Oh well, im just hoping that Willis loses to Newton or whoever the hell he's facing because I dont want him on the Madden cover.

if theres anyone who can beat the madden curse, its P Willis

[jojo]

Madden??? UGH. What a piece of crap that series has been since the bought the rights to the license. So sad that the NFL doesnt care about quality. Oh well, im just hoping that Willis loses to Newton or whoever the hell he's facing because I dont want him on the Madden cover.

Agreed Dan.

I kind of thought Tebow would be a shoo-in for the Madden Cover, & the Curse too. He's already graced the cover of SI.

So, what did ya'll think of the Manningham signing? Maybe send a msg. to to a 49er overpaid, Singletary-draftee alleged game-changer receiver from Texas Tech to step it up or :gtfo: ??

Manningham is just plain lethal on that deep out route right in front of the cover 2 safety.

[VAfy-ya]

The Niners will be legit on Madden 13, with many of their players finally getting the ratings that properly equate with their talent. I am interested in what Alex ratings will be. The highest he ever was before was in the very low 80's, early in his career based mainly on his draft status.

Madden still has its flubs though. The have Haralson rated so far above Brooks its not even funny. Its like they have their ratings flip-flopped. And the fact they have VD with a 90 speed rating irks the hell out of me. I dont care if he's fastest TE on the game, they guy ran a 4.38 40 yard dash. Manningham has a 93 speed rating and he ran what like a 4.6 coming out? Ok, /rant.

[Ness]

Right, I don't see how Haralson is an 85. That's absurd. He should be around a 75 in my opinion. Brooks should be about an 85.

[dan77733]

It's EA/Tirubon, does the screw ups in Madden really surprise you guys? And I prefer NOT to see Willis having the chance to beat that curse. Dont ever want to see any 49er on the cover of Madden period.

[49erNation85]

Dan has so much hate on Madden ha.Just calm down Dan.If Madden is all we got then so be it.It really wasn't that horrible in franchise mode.

I would love to see the QB vision come back from 05 and off season drills to work up your players or super star mode along with an intense rookie off season to work your way into starting position. but it will never happen.

[Madirishman]

Madden still has its flubs though. The have Haralson rated so far above Brooks its not even funny. Its like they have their ratings flip-flopped. And the fact they have VD with a 90 speed rating irks the hell out of me. I dont care if he's fastest TE on the game, they guy ran a 4.38 40 yard dash. Manningham has a 93 speed rating and he ran what like a 4.6 coming out? Ok, /rant.

Yes, like anything else, Madden has it's flaws. There's ways to manipulate the game that have existed for years, such as trading your first round pick (as an undefeated team) in the 6th week of the season to one of the teams with the worst record for their 1st, 2nd and 3rd (sometimes 4th) picks, straight up. It's also most beneficial to play a 4-3 D instead of a 3-4. When you position switch big DEs like Justin Smith to DTs, their OVR goes up. Same with drafting or acquiring OLBs with some speed and strength, then switching their position to DE, where they usually become great pass rushers on sims. I usually always build solely through the Draft as a challenge, and I do like that in Madden 12, they finally allowed you to have up to 20 Draft picks per year, when every year before you were maxed out at 10. It helps you build up your roster with young talent significantly faster.

[dan77733]

Dan has so much hate on Madden ha.Just calm down Dan.If Madden is all we got then so be it.It really wasn't that horrible in franchise mode.

I would love to see the QB vision come back from 05 and off season drills to work up your players or super star mode along with an intense rookie off season to work your way into starting position. but it will never happen.

Franchise mode is good but as usual, EA screws it up. In 12, going through the pre-season cutting fake non-existent players and then seeing some or majority of them remain over ACTUAL NFL players was the beginning of the end for me. As usual with EA, great idea, horrible execution.

Madden hasnt been any good since 2004/2005 and amazingly, those were the last two highest rated Madden's in the last decade. Sadly, Madden got better reviews when there was competition.

So be it? Not for me. I played M12 and im sorry, the gameplay still sucks. Game will never be great and there's a reason why I always played the alternative (Montana, Tecmo, GameDay, 2K) to Madden and that reason is simple - the alternative was easily and clearly a better game, more fun and addictive. Madden is none of that. Its just a rehash every year of the previous year. Minor adjustments are made and thats it. Until EA actually develops a new game engine from the ground up, the series will always be crap. Only reasons it sells is because of the exclusive license and because Madden's name is on the game. Sure as hell doesnt sell due to the quality of the game because thats well, non-existent.

And one of the best features ever in Madden was mini-camp which was a lot of fun and more fun than the actual games themselves but of course, EA focuses more on other stuff instead of bringing back something that was actually good.

Sorry but there's a reason why EA was the worst business company for 2011 - they suck and their games are even worse. UGH. Evil Empire. UGH. Wish they would go bankrupt. I would be so happy. One of the main reasons I hate EA is that they buy licenses or companies and either dont use them or kill them off. Its like, okay, what was the point in buying that? Take the ESPN license for example. They purchased the ESPN license for 15 years after they acquired the exclusive NFL license and seven or whatever the hell it is years later, im still waiting to see ESPN presentation in Madden. Sorry but EA is a joke of a company.

[YAYareaRB]

yeah i always just ncaa (which isn't much better) over madden

[phlysac]

Really should just have a Madden 49ers thread.

[Shupp]

Really should just have a Madden 49ers thread.

Agreed. I always play a lot of madden around draft time.....what a waste of time but I'm addicted.

[dan77733]

Sorry guys. I'll stop ranting about Crapadden.

[Shupp]

Nice article about Kyle Williams' chance to make the roster by Maiocco:

"It's difficult to imagine the 49ers would put Williams in a position to return punts again in a pressurized situation."

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Williams-faces-struggle-to-earn-49ers-ro?blockID=689210&feedID=2800

[49ersfan_87]

Nice article about Kyle Williams' chance to make the roster by Maiocco:

"It's difficult to imagine the 49ers would put Williams in a position to return punts again in a pressurized situation."

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Williams-faces-struggle-to-earn-49ers-ro?blockID=689210&feedID=2800

I wouldn't mind taking 2 WR's in the draft. One early, one late. I don't really care if Williams makes the roster or not. He choked a punt return in college too, so i don't see how our staff could ever trust him as a returner again.

Oh, and a small Jason Brown update as well

http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/190938464794058752

Jason Brown had a 'positive visit' with the 49ers and was very impressed with their organization, per a league source.

http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/190938718817894400


Ravens have made an offer to Jason Brown, but it wasn't a high offer. Brown visited the Panthers shortly after being cut by the Rams

We're definitely slow-playing the FA OG market. The question is, are we banking on a 1st/2nd round pick to start at OG? Or are we banking on Kilgore to start?

[Shupp]

Oh, and a small Jason Brown update as well

http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/190938464794058752



http://twitter.com/#!/RavensInsider/status/190938718817894400




We're definitely slow-playing the FA OG market. The question is, are we banking on a 1st/2nd round pick to start at OG? Or are we banking on Kilgore to start?

Being only 4 million under the cap before the draft makes it pretty hard to sign Jason Brown unless someone else gets the axe but who knows there
s so many things they can do with the cap..

[Shupp]

After further review Michael Crabtree's stats of: 72 rec.,874 yds,4 tds was actually pretty impressive given that he missed a game, was playing through injuries for a few weeks, and played in a run first offense. I wonder if we aren't exaggerating the need for a pass catcher just a little given the additions of Manningham and Moss...although it seems like Crabtree's foot will never be 100% and Manningham is injury prone himself so the chances of both Crabtree, Manningham, and the 34 year old Moss all being healthy at the same time seems remote. I wonder if a later round pick, say Tommy Streeter in the 4th would be sufficient to address young WR depth..

[VAfy-ya]

After further review Michael Crabtree's stats of: 72 rec.,874 yds,4 tds was actually pretty impressive given that he missed a game, was playing through injuries for a few weeks, and played in a run first offense. I wonder if we aren't exaggerating the need for a pass catcher just a little given the additions of Manningham and Moss...although it seems like Crabtree's foot will never be 100% and Manningham is injury prone himself so the chances of both Crabtree, Manningham, and the 34 year old Moss all being healthy at the same time seems remote. I wonder if a later round pick, say Tommy Streeter in the 4th would be sufficient to address young WR depth..

Fans have short term memory. All they remember is the 0 catches in the NFCCG, which isn't really about anything Crabs did wrong, rather about how the Giants defended our offense as a whole. Be that as it may, I'd still like to see two more WRs drafted for some of the reason you stated as well as the fact were going to be in the same boat in two years if we dont add some young talent to the outside. Moss is on a one-year deal. Crabs will be heading into his contract year and MM will be a free agent again. We need to develop some talent at WR sooner rather than later.

[phlysac]

We're definitely slow-playing the FA OG market. The question is, are we banking on a 1st/2nd round pick to start at OG? Or are we banking on Kilgore to start?

I think they want Kilgore with a vet backup. But who knows how they have some of these draftable guards rated.

[phlysac]

I wonder if we aren't exaggerating the need for a pass catcher just a little given the additions of Manningham and Moss...

I don't think the team is missing a Crabtree type pass-catcher in any sense. They are missing speed and height. Two things Crabtree is missing.

[dan77733]

Crabtree is under contract for three more years so he isnt going anywhere unless he gets traded. His contract could void to five years based on "unlikely to be earned incentives" so basically, he's under contract for three more years.

Moss is a one year deal while Manningham and Kyle Williams have two years left on their contracts. Draft wise, im hoping for Fleener the most followed by Hill. Any WR drafted at 30 will most likely be a long term project as I dont see that rookie surpassing the top three of Crabtree, Moss and Manningham unles there's injuries to them three. Having a guy like Fleener who adds speed AND size would be a far better weapon in our offense and would make a bigger impact sooner rather than later.

Wouldnt mind drafting Hill if Fleener is gone but if not, then I go Fleener and then draft a WR in the third or fourth round.

Also hoping that Kyle Williams doesnt get released or traded. I like that guy and think that he could be a valuable weapon in the slot plus he's young and has too much upside to give up on.

[Ness]

Fans have short term memory. All they remember is the 0 catches in the NFCCG, which isn't really about anything Crabs did wrong, rather about how the Giants defended our offense as a whole. Be that as it may, I'd still like to see two more WRs drafted for some of the reason you stated as well as the fact were going to be in the same boat in two years if we dont add some young talent to the outside. Moss is on a one-year deal. Crabs will be heading into his contract year and MM will be a free agent again. We need to develop some talent at WR sooner rather than later.

I also remember his back to back drops against the Saints. Crabtree just has doesn't get that much separation and is heading down the path of Keyshawn Johnson in terms of what he can do. Unless he has an All-Pro throwing him the ball, I don't think he'll ever put up monster numbers.

[Madirishman]

Crabtree has continued to improve and is a very useful player with upside; he just hasn't yet lived up to his pre-draft hype and status. When he has more complimentary receivers ()with different skill sets) and a more downfield passing game, he'll start to flourish more.

[VAfy-ya]

Crabtree has continued to improve and is a very useful player with upside; he just hasn't yet lived up to his pre-draft hype and status. When he has more complimentary receivers ()with different skill sets) and a more downfield passing game, he'll start to flourish more.

QFT....my thoughts as well

[Madirishman]

Larry Grant to sign his RFA tender today. Nice!

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Just curious how does your depth chart for WRs look for a regular personnel grouping, assuming 3 wide set.

X= Moss
Z= Crabtree
F/H= Mario

Does that look accurate?

[YAYareaRB]

moss is definitely on the outside. i see mario and crabtree being interchangeable in the slot.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

That's what I figured. How about Ginn? Do you guys use 5 wide formations a lot?

[Justone2]

Not really but could be because the lack of receivers last year.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

That's interesting let me know how Mario does this season. I am curious to see if a different system really does help his production. He was very inconsistent in our system, but still productive and came up with clutch catches when needed. He was a good Z for us.

[Menardo75]

That's what I figured. How about Ginn? Do you guys use 5 wide formations a lot?

The less snaps Ginn see's at WR the better.

[Madirishman]

The less snaps Ginn see's at WR the better.

Yes, and VD never leaves the field, so unless he is lined up and spread out at WR, you won't ever see a 5 WR set for the Niners.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

49ers! Packers! Week 1! (Rumored)

#NFL expected to release regular season schedule this week...possibility the fox big game kickoff weekend will be 49ers at packers..

From Chris Meyers twitter. Game I was hoping for opening week.

[dan77733]

According to ninercaphell.com, ILB Larry Grant signed his RFA tender and WR Michael Crabtree attended the workout program.

[Justone2]

Both good news. Grant is an excellent back-up and Crabs attending the workouts can only get him in better shape for the season.

[VAfy-ya]

Yes, and VD never leaves the field, so unless he is lined up and spread out at WR, you won't ever see a 5 WR set for the Niners.

Hell, you'll never see 4 WR sets for the same reason. One of biggest advatanages on offense is having two TEs that run like WRs. Taking them off the field helps the defense, not our offense.

And why is it news Crabs attended the off-season program? Crabs has attended EVERY ota/mini-camp since he's been a Niner. Its TC that has eluded him for one reason or another. This should not be news....

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Hell, you'll never see 4 WR sets for the same reason. One of biggest advatanages on offense is having two TEs that run like WRs. Taking them off the field helps the defense, not our offense.

And why is it news Crabs attended the off-season program? Crabs has attended EVERY ota/mini-camp since he's been a Niner. Its TC that has eluded him for one reason or another. This should not be news....

You guys can always go with a Y-Trips allowing VD to be in that personnel package. We used that a lot with Shockey before. Is your offensive philosophy, with all these WRs, still going to stay the same or change do you feel?

[VAfy-ya]

You guys can always go with a Y-Trips allowing VD to be in that personnel package. We used that a lot with Shockey before. Is your offensive philosophy, with all these WRs, still going to stay the same or change do you feel?

We've had this discussion before here, Jimbaugh is never going to be a chuck the ball downfield all game coach, regardless of who the personel is on the outside or who the QB is. You look at what he did at Stanford with arguably the best QB in all of college and his run/pass ratio was damn near 50/50. The philosphy wont change. He and Roman want to control the tempo of the game offensively with the run. They want to control the physicality of the game with the run. They want to run the ball down your throat, at will, and let the passing game work off the looks we give you in the running game. That's why he has all these personel packages and different sets. He likes to pass out of running sets and run out of passing sets. They want to keep the defense off balance in terms of what formations we run out of and which we pass out of. But regardkess of who the WRs are, I dont see the philosphy changing. He's equal parts Bo Schembelcer and Bill Wash. What I will say is his WCO isnt like the norm today, where most guys like McCarthy and Reid pass to set up the run. Jimbaugh believes the game is very much still dictated by running the ball and elimating turnovers.

There's a clip of him on Youtube giving a coaching clinic on QBs I ran across on another forum. Brilliant stuff really, and it gives you an idea just about how he views offense in some ways, especially the QB in his offense. I'll try to find a link...

**EDIT** Here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7-9kQJ1_sI

[NY+Giants=NYG]

We've had this discussion before here, Jimbaugh is never going to be a chuck the ball downfield all game coach, regardless of who the personel is on the outside or who the QB is. You look at what he did at Stanford with arguably the best QB in all of college and his run/pass ratio was damn near 50/50. The philosphy wont change. He and Roman want to control the tempo of the game offensively with the run. They want to control the physicality of the game with the run. They want to run the ball down your throat, at will, and let the passing game work off the looks we give you in the running game. That's why he has all these personel packages and different sets. He likes to pass out of running sets and run out of passing sets. They want to keep the defense off balance in terms of what formations we run out of and which we pass out of. But regardkess of who the WRs are, I dont see the philosphy changing. He's equal parts Bo Schembelcer and Bill Wash. What I will say is his WCO isnt like the norm today, where most guys like McCarthy and Reid pass to set up the run. Jimbaugh believes the game is very much still dictated by running the ball and elimating turnovers.

There's a clip of him on Youtube giving a coaching clinic on QBs I ran across on another forum. Brilliant stuff really, and it gives you an idea just about how he views offense in some ways, especially the QB in his offense. I'll try to find a link...


Thanks, I like watching coaching clinics by various coaches. When I used to coach, the football video room was stocked by coaches clinics by NFL and other famous college coaches. Great way of learning to implement different things to the scheme.

I wonder how similar your system is to the Steelers. I know in a passing league, they want to cut it down, and run more. So I am curious to see if there running concepts and passing concepts are similar to yours.

We still use a lot of the Run and Shoot passing rules, so it's hard to find systems close to ours in terms of passing. Thanks though! I know I am interested in seeing more 4 wide sets for us assuming JJ develops.

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Thanks, I like watching coaching clinics by various coaches. When I used to coach, the football video room was stocked by coaches clinics by NFL and other famous college coaches. Great way of learning to implement different things to the scheme.

I wonder how similar your system is to the Steelers. I know in a passing league, they want to cut it down, and run more. So I am curious to see if there running concepts and passing concepts are similar to yours.

We still use a lot of the Run and Shoot passing rules, so it's hard to find systems close to ours in terms of passing. Thanks though! I know I am interested in seeing more 4 wide sets for us assuming JJ develops.

Well one of the reason I wanted Jimbaugh as our coach so much is his belief that running the ball IS still revelent in today's game. The norm now is to spread you out 4-wide, 5-wide. Get favorable match-ups by moving guys inside against the 3rd and 4th CB and exploiting that all the way down the field. So thus, the emphasis on the QB position and having talent on the outside. So all these teams are gearing up for these offenses, drafting faster, lightier LBs to help cover the short middle and wasting draft picks on uber athletic and speedy CBs and supposedly dominant edge rushers, hoping to slow down these offenses. So when a offesne like ours comes along with its Jumbo packages and 6-7 O-Line sets and runs the ball for a majority of the game, it throws them off. I think once the staff comes out of the conservative nature it had towards 3rd down and opens up a little, this offense will really take off. But we'll still be a team that looks to acheive a 50/50 balance in terms of run/pass.

And I included that link in the other post for you as well...

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Well one of the reason I wanted Jimbaugh as our coach so much is his belief that running the ball IS still revelent in today's game. The norm now is to spread you out 4-wide, 5-wide. Get favorable match-ups by moving guys inside against 3th and 4th CB and exploiting that all the way down the field. So thus, the emphasis on the QB position and having talent on the outside. So all these teams are gearing up for these offenses, drafting faster, lightier LBs to help cover the short middle and wasting draft picks on uber athletic and speedy CBs and supposedly dominant edge rushers, hoping to slow down these offenses. So when a offesne like ours comes along with its Jumbo packages and 6-7 O-Line sets and runs the ball for a majority of the game, it throws them off. I think once the staff comes out of the conservative nature it had towards 3rd down and opens up a little, this offense will really take off. But we'll still be a team that looks to acheive a 50/50 balance in terms of run/pass.

And I included that link in the other post for you as well...


We used to have a balanced system like that until our OL decided to stink at run blocking and lead the league in stinking at run blocking. That's when you look at your QB and say, well, throw to victory. In today's game, I think the QB has to be able to throw to victory. But, running the ball and using play action is a solid philosophy. That's something we need to do, and I am sure Coughlin would love to stick to that and lead the league in TOP like we used to.

It will be interesting to see how all these new additions do for your offense this upcoming year. I know I am curious to see Mario. He was too inconsistent in our system, but perhaps in yours he can do well. I hope he does, because he had the potential to do well for us, but the mental aspect of our system caused inconsistency.