San Francisco 49ers Discussion

[Ness]

Of course not, but this a football forum...if we don't discuss TC battles what are we going to discuss?

I'm just saying that assuming Ginn is going to get cut before camp has even started is odd. I guess if his injuries really derail him maybe. Even so I think he'd be put on the PUP list if it came down to it. I'd be shocked if he's not on the team though.

[49ersfan_87]

I'm just saying that assuming Ginn is going to get cut before camp has even started is odd. I guess if his injuries really derail him maybe. Even so I think he'd be put on the PUP list if it came down to it. I'd be shocked if he's not on the team though.

I just like our UDFA WR's a lot. Thats why i think we'll have to squeeze someone out, and i chose a guy who we let walk around in FA for a week, one dimensional, and currently injured as the odd man out. I don't think its a 100% guarantee, but i also don't think he's a 100% lock either. It's just a surprise prediction.

Personally though, as things are right now, i like Ginn more than KW. Similar offensive production and much better/reliable return man.

[VAfy-ya]

Training camp hasn't even started yet. Ted Ginn is making the roster. He is our most reliable return man.

Two weeks ago, I was saying the same thing but I think I'm going to side with '87 on this one too. From all reports, it sounds like Palmer was really impressive in the spring. Now alot changes when pads come on and guys have to get off press coverage. But we have alot of options for returners. Cully, Palmer, Cox, LMJ, and Jenkins all have return ability on their resume. If guys like Palmer on Owusu continue to turn heads, I don't think you risk sending both of them through the wavier wire. Ginn is the best returner of them all but its obvious we were prepared to lose him this off-season. I suspect you wont see Ginn, if healthy, return one punt all pre-season. They'll use those 4 games to audition the names I mentioned and see if its worth it to cut ties with Ginn. But if either Palmer or Owusu turn heads in pre-season, it may force Ginn out the door. Especially if they see the Palmer, Jenkins, and Owusu trio as the future. I think you can stash either one on the PS for year. Not both though. Not if both flash in the pre-season.

[VAfy-ya]

Personally though, as things are right now, i like Ginn more than KW. Similar offensive production and much better/reliable return man.

K-10 has flashed alot more at WR than Ginn ever has in a Niner uni. You have to remember, last year was essentially his rookie year, as most of his first year was wiped out with injuries. I can't hang him for one game. Sure he made two awful decisions(well three really) but its been widely reported that Jimbaugh asked Williams to "make something happen" in the return game because the offense was so bogged down. So is that player's fault or is that coaching? Idk, but I DO know that in the second Seattle game, K-10 single-handledly changed field position in the return game several times, which a big reason why we were able to pull off that victory so he's flashed in the return game as well.

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I didnt write off K-10 as a returner forever, after the NFCCG. He's was young and inexperienced and it showed at the wrong time for us. Sure it was hard to watch.....but so was that offense.

[phlysac]

I think they would keep 6 WRs (bet they wish they did last year) before they would cut Ginn.

[VAfy-ya]

Im saying they still keep six and cut Ginn if the UDFA WRs continue to impress

[edgrenade]

I think that this year they may have more players on offense. Last year I think they had 6 safeties, so maybe they may have 6 WRs barring injuries.

[phlysac]

Im saying they still keep six and cut Ginn if the UDFA WRs continue to impress

What reason could the team possibly have to cut one of the League's elite return men when he's cheap and isn't a hinderence to the depth of the position?

[VAfy-ya]

What reason could the team possibly have to cut one of the League's elite return men when he's cheap and isn't a hinderence to the depth of the position?

But he is a hinderance if the team decides to go with long term potential at WR over a vet with short term potential but a vauable skill elsewhere. Like I said, TC will determine everything but we made no real effort to re-signed Ginn during free agency. He visited every team under the sun, and chose to return here for what Im assuming was a less than stellar offer, otherwise he would have never explored his options in the first place. That leads me to believe that his roster spot is in no way guanranteed. We were already prepared to move on without him. I think the Cox signing points to that as well. Cox was signed just as much for his ability in the return game as it was for his play at CB. And I think us potentially losing Ginn factored in on signing a guy like Cox. Like I said, it all depends on the UDFA WRs. If they look like keepers, Jimbaugh will have some tough decisions. If they don't, then its a moot point.

[phlysac]

I don't disagree at all with your premise. I just think that Ginn's value on ST simply cannot be diminished. I don't see how Ginn has less STs value than the likes of Colin Jones, Tavares Gooden, Rock Cartwright, etc.

[VAfy-ya]

I don't disagree at all with your premise. I just think that Ginn's value on ST simply cannot be diminished. I don't see how Ginn has less STs value than the likes of Colin Jones, Tavares Gooden, Rock Cartwright, etc.

His value isn't less than theirs neccesarily. And none of those guys are locks either. But none of those guys play at positions six-seven deep with young talent either. Sure they could possibly trim the fat elsewhere but it would utlimately come down to Williams or Ginn I guess. I just think Williams is going to very good sooner rather than later and if we cut him it would come back to bite us. Ginn has peaked as a offensive player and doesn't seem in our long term plans so thats why I see him as the odd guy out.

[Brent]

Another team isnt going to snatch Palmer off the P-squad or waver wire unless he has the most insane preseason, he'll just be cut and signed to the practice squad and odds are he won't be a factor on the team because we're reading way too much into non-padded practices.

[49erNation85]

So has CK been a wasted pick so far?He has not seen any playing time in the season at all and has been having a been mini camp so far as well.

[Justone2]

Its his second year and there where enough reports that he was really good at the end of mini camp. He didn't have a offseason last year which makes the transition even harder and with such low scoring games like last season you dont put you rookie QB in the game when its not needed. Alex played a solid year without injuries so why you even want to think about him being a wasted pick i really dont understand.

He was picked as a project and do you really expect a second round QB to produce in the first year and blow your socks of in preseason? Thats really not realistic. Give him time and then you can maybe say its a waster pick.

[phlysac]

So has CK been a wasted pick so far?He has not seen any playing time in the season at all and has been having a been mini camp so far as well.

He has played in the regular season. Joshua Morgan broke his ankle trying to score on a pass from Kaepernick. As for this offseason, his touch and accuracy has been inconsistent on shorter routes but observers have swooned at the power of his arm, the quickness in which his passes arrive on target, and his ability to throw on the run.

Quarterbacks used to take 3-4 years before they'd see the field. Remember, Aaron Rodgers didn't start a game until his 4th season. Was he a wasted pick?

And how did you expect him to see the field? The 49ers' starting QB lead the team to 14 wins and an appearance in the NFCCG.

Patience.

[49ersfan_87]

Another team isnt going to snatch Palmer off the P-squad or waver wire unless he has the most insane preseason, he'll just be cut and signed to the practice squad and odds are he won't be a factor on the team because we're reading way too much into non-padded practices.

We could have said the same last year about Demarcus Dobbs, but he performed like a beast in the preseason and we didnt chance putting him on the PS.

Every year there are impressive UDFA's that make 53's across the league (we had 3 alone last year). He had a $10,000 signing bonus (highest of our UDFA's) and was apparently well-regarded across the scouting community according to adam schein (as well-regarded as a UDFA can be). If he impresses like Dobbs did last year, its no guarantee he makes it to the PS. If he's average or sucks than this is all a non-issue anyway.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

He's currently #3 on the depth chart behind Moss and Crabtree. Had a solid spring, but Crabtree, Moss, and K-10 were the talk of camp, as WRs go.

Hey man, how are you? Hope your summer is going well. Sweet, I hope he does well. He has all the talent in the world just inconsistent and dumb as all heck.

[VAfy-ya]

Another thing on Palmer though. I was watching his highlights vid a couple weeks ago. And not that highlights are anything to be measured against. But honestly, he looks a little smoother than Jenkins. Not that Im suddendly weary of the Jenkins pick, not even. One thing you can see in Jenkins tape is he has strong hands and he makes catches in traffic and thats the main reason I like him. He makes alot catches with guys draped all over him....something alot guys struggle with coming from college to the pro ranks. But even when I watched Jenkins during the college season, I noticed he was always stubbling, losing his balance. Alot of it has to do with his basketball body. He's built like a PG right now. Can't stress how a good off-season strength program could do wonders for him. He really needs to get bigger, stronger and improve his balance. But with "Napalm", he has a smoothness to his stride and change of direction that's noticeable. At first I thought it was the lack of competition he faced, being from NIU, that made it appear that way. But in his highlights there's some footage of him making guys from Minnesota and Illinois look silly as well. And he's a better rapper than Brandon Lloyd so that's a plus, ha.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y0OSsSZKYg

[VAfy-ya]

Hey man, how are you? Hope your summer is going well. Sweet, I hope he does well. He has all the talent in the world just inconsistent and dumb as all heck.

My summer's off to a great start, thanx for asking. I expect Mario to show a little better in TC when the pads go on so no worries. But it wouldnt shock me if he remained the #3 guy if Moss contiues to surprise. He'll see plenty of opportunties either way.

[49ersfan_87]

Kevin Lynch on the WR's in camp

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/06/25/14193/

Nathan Palmer apparently looking "twice as good" as 1st rounder AJ Jenkins...I fear this will spark another Jenkins debate but thats not my intention, talking about our UDFA's specifically Palmer is..

Palmer made an impression and looked to be twice as good as the struggling Jenkins. Crabtree looked consistent but didn’t stand out as much as Moss or Williams, and the same could be said for Manningham.

More on Palmer

Also, Northern Illinois’ Nathan Palmer looks like a keeper as a rookie free agent and so does Stanford’s Chris Owusu.

[hawkeye123]

Am i the only one who thinks it's silly to panic about AJ Jenkins this soon? I mean geez, it's OTA's, lets wait til training camp/preseason.

[phlysac]

I remember how "amazing" Bryan Gilmore looked under the tutelage of Jerry Sullivan.

Offseason over-hype ftw!!!


Let's hope Palmer is legit, however.

[Brent]

Am i the only one who thinks it's silly to panic about AJ Jenkins this soon?
No, I think OTAs are wildly over-analyzed.

[49ersfan_87]

Besides Nathan Palmer, other potential TC sleepers i like

-WR Bryan Tyms
-WR Chris Owusu (i really like all our UDFA WR's if you couldn't tell)
-QB Scott Tolzien (i think he'll overtake Josh Johnson)
-RB Brandon Jacobs (with our training staff, i can forsee a comeback year)
-S Michael Thomas

Just my predictions on some sleepers

I also like Perrish Cox a lot but i don't know if he qualifies as a "sleeper".

[farfromforgotten]

No, I think OTAs are wildly over-analyzed.

Agreed. Both ways. Just as skeptical of Moss sounding "amazing" and what that means for us this year as I am of Jenkins sounding like an "insta-bust" in OTAs... means nothing to me. I want to see how they preform on game day before I make any judgements. I hope Moss has been as good as advertised and, like I said before, I'm ok with Jenkins having some trouble right now as a rookie WR... especially if Moss has looked as good as advertised. We have enough depth at WR if so. Give the kid some time.

[dan77733]

WR wise...I see us keeping six WR's...Moss, Crabtree, Manningham, Williams, Jenkins and Ginn.

I wouldnt keep Owusu because in the NFL, he's one hit from possibly retiring. Its sad to say but personally, I think that he should do just that. I can see him easily on the practice squad and would be shocked if any team signed him to their active roster.

Dont see Tolzien making the roster over Johnson but do see him being on the PS. As for Jacobs, I'll be shocked if we keep six RB's. Gore, James and Hunter are guarantees in my opinion as is Miller and Cartwright. Dont see Jacobs playing special teams and because of that, will be surprised if Harbaugh keeps six RB's especially when we dont need Jacobs.

James and Hunter are in my opinion our future at RB as our WCO speed back combination. For as long as Gore is a 49er, I would much rather see him try to be the RB that scores on short yardage plays instead of Jacobs. Personally, I think that Jacobs is done regardless of how well he may be doing in the off-season.

Also, he's an egomaniac who wants the ball. When you look at our WR core, RB core plus Davis and Walker, quite honestly, there's no room for him whatsoever so unless one of the top three RB's gets injured in TC or PreSeason, I'll be shocked if Jacobs makes the final 53.

[VAfy-ya]

That message came through clearly during a discussion with safety Donte Whitner after a minicamp practice two weeks ago. Whitner, who didn't even sign with the 49ers until camp was under way in August, says the difference will be in the details. As good as the 49ers were on defense last season -- the unit produced 42 sacks, 38 turnovers, three first-team All-Pro selections, two finalists for defensive player of the year and the most impressive defensive rookie this side of Von Miller -- they ran a dumbed-down version of coordinator Vic Fangio's system.

"It was almost like jimmying it, a makeshift thing," Whitner said. "Putting this player here, teaching this one day, then teaching another player something different the next day, because time was cut so short without training camp and OTAs, and not being able to have attention to detail. Vic had to simplify what we were doing and it still worked."


It's about understanding not only what the coaches are calling on a given play but also why they're calling it and what options exist within it. Players become an extension of their coaches. They learn to anticipate.

"You can give the linebackers options on what coverage we're going to play based on what players are at certain positions on the field," Whitner explained. "For example, if we were going up against a tight end like Vernon Davis in a three-by-one formation, there would be 2-3-4 calls to take him out, and they would give us the freedom to do that. But in order to do that, everybody has to be on the same page."

The safeties would have to communicate details to the linebackers. The linebackers would have to communicate with the defensive linemen. Whitner, the strong safety, would have to communicate with Goldson, the free safety, who might let the right cornerback, Tarell Brown, know he won't have help on the play, while informing the left corner, Rogers, that he's got backup. And it would all happen instinctively.

"There are so many different little things that we didn't get to do last year," Whitner said. "It actually takes two to three years to really get all the verbiage down, to really understand that I know this player is going to be where he’s supposed to be even if he is disguising. We are reaching that comfort level. Last year in the playoffs was just a small taste of what we can do on defense."

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/68944/49ers-defense-wants-sustained-elite-status

[Ness]

Meh, whatever. I hear things like this every season. Such as the entire offensive playbook hasn't been exposed, there are a lot of things folks haven't seen yet, just you wait, etc. The defense has already proven itself. It's the offense that needs to step up it's game.

[dan77733]

The defense has already proven itself. It's the offense that needs to step up it's game.

Holy crap!!! One of the very few and rare times I agree with Ness. :)

[VAfy-ya]

Meh, whatever. I hear things like this every season. Such as the entire offensive playbook hasn't been exposed, there are a lot of things folks haven't seen yet, just you wait, etc. The defense has already proven itself. It's the offense that needs to step up it's game.

Your downplaying what the lockout affected defensively. The article points to the defense being much more multifaceted, which we will need this year. Our defense was really simplistic last year but they executed extraordinarily well. Its nice to know that even that side of the ball can improve greatly. With the offenses we face this year, its good to know we have more to throw at teams than what they saw on tape last year.

[dan77733]

Not happy about this. Hope Aldon heals up and everything but he needs to stay the hell away from crap like this. Stay away from parties. This guy is well known which makes him a target, directly and indirectly. Stay the hell home Aldon.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/06/30/report-aldon-smith-got-minor-stab-wounds-breaking-up-a-fight/

[phlysac]

Stay the hell home Aldon.


Your sentiments are pure. Unfortunately he WAS at home, Dan. The party in which he was stabbed was at his house.

[dan77733]

Your sentiments are pure. Unfortunately he WAS at home, Dan. The party in which he was stabbed was at his house.

WOW!!! I havent read that yet but if its true, thats even worse. Having psychos with knives and guns come to your house for a party. Seriously, people nowadays have no common sense whatsoever. Aldon need to stop being careless and stupid because this is now two incidents in six months. Wont be surprised if there's a third before the year is over and regardless of whether Aldon was trying to stop a fight or not, he needs to be smarter and not cause a situation (like having a party at his house or going to one) in which something anything can happen.

[Ness]

WOW!!! I havent read that yet but if its true, thats even worse. Having psychos with knives and guns come to your house for a party. Seriously, people nowadays have no common sense whatsoever. Aldon need to stop being careless and stupid because this is now two incidents in six months. Wont be surprised if there's a third before the year is over and regardless of whether Aldon was trying to stop a fight or not, he needs to be smarter and not cause a situation (like having a party at his house or going to one) in which something anything can happen.

Have you ever been to a house party Dan? Sometimes you don't know who is going to show up. Especially when it grows to over 100 people. At that point it gets out of control. A young man his age should be able to throw a party at his house. The only problem is just that if something goes down, then it will make the NFL look bad because he's a player. But it's not like it's against the law for him to have a party. And throwing your own party doesn't mean you are "causing a situation". Didn't Frank Gore throw a birthday party a couple of years back and then some college kids that were violating NCAA rules for something appeared. If I remember correctly Gore said himself that it was crazy and you don't know who is going to show up. House parties don't have strict protocols. There isn't high security and there aren't pat downs for weapons. Aldon Smith just needs to lay low for a while that's all. And we don't know even know what happened exactly that sparked the incident. Apparently he was trying to break up a fight.

[dan77733]

Have you ever been to a house party Dan? Sometimes you don't know who is going to show up. Especially when it grows to over 100 people. At that point it gets out of control. A young man his age should be able to throw a party at his house. The only problem is just that if something goes down, then it will make the NFL look bad because he's a player. But it's not like it's against the law for him to have a party. And throwing your own party doesn't mean you are "causing a situation". Didn't Frank Gore throw a birthday party a couple of years back and then some college kids that were violating NCAA rules for something appeared. If I remember correctly Gore said himself that it was crazy and you don't know who is going to show up. House parties don't have strict protocols. There isn't high security and there aren't pat downs for weapons. Aldon Smith just needs to lay low for a while that's all. And we don't know even know what happened exactly that sparked the incident. Apparently he was trying to break up a fight.

No, I have never ever been to a house party because thankfully, im not that stupid. I can understand having a small party with close friends, relatives and some women but keeping it small is the key. It never happens so why even bother having a house party in the first place? Also, nowadays, there's a lot of people who are just looking for trouble and want to start stuff which is why a young guy like Aldon needs to be smarter than this.

Stuff like this is basically asking for trouble because you know thats how its going to go eventually. I know Aldon was said to be breaking up a fight but everyone's missing the bigger picture. If he didnt have a house party, there wouldnt have been any fight for him to break up to begin with. I understand Aldon is young and wants to have fun but at the same time, he has to use the brain in his head and realize that what may sound like a great idea doesnt mean it will turn out that way.

A house party is basically a disaster waiting to happen and after Aldon's good rookie season and playoff run, im sure he's more well known than he even thinks he is and because of that, you have to use your brain and common sense instead of emotion and whatnot because in the end, the only person that can screw up his promising career is himself.

[Borat]

I'm sorry Dan, but that post is just ridiculous. He threw a party at his house. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

[dan77733]

I'm sorry Dan, but that post is just ridiculous. He threw a party at his house. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with throwing a party as long as you know who's coming and thus, invited. You throw a party and have strangers who you have never ever seen before in your house, sorry but thats stupid.

And like I said, I can see having a small party with people you know and more importantly, trust and can be trusted. Once it goes past that, its basically a problem waiting to happen.

[Borat]

I don't think Aldon wants to live in Dan's utopia society lol.

[Ness]

No, I have never ever been to a house party because thankfully, im not that stupid. I can understand having a small party with close friends, relatives and some women but keeping it small is the key. It never happens so why even bother having a house party in the first place? Also, nowadays, there's a lot of people who are just looking for trouble and want to start stuff which is why a young guy like Aldon needs to be smarter than this.

Stuff like this is basically asking for trouble because you know thats how its going to go eventually. I know Aldon was said to be breaking up a fight but everyone's missing the bigger picture. If he didnt have a house party, there wouldnt have been any fight for him to break up to begin with. I understand Aldon is young and wants to have fun but at the same time, he has to use the brain in his head and realize that what may sound like a great idea doesnt mean it will turn out that way.

A house party is basically a disaster waiting to happen and after Aldon's good rookie season and playoff run, im sure he's more well known than he even thinks he is and because of that, you have to use your brain and common sense instead of emotion and whatnot because in the end, the only person that can screw up his promising career is himself.
So you are stupid if you go to a giant house party? Sorry Dan, but that just sounds like jealous loser talk right there. I guess whenever Michigan, Texas, or Ohio State has a big ass house party those guys are all dumb ***** for attending.

Aldon is probably having a house party in response to still wanting to have some fun in the offseason without the trouble a DUI might bring. A house party isn't a disaster waiting to happen give me a break. By the way Frank Gore was an idiot for throwing that big birthday party a couple of years back in Miami that sparked controversy.


The majority of your posts Dan are terrible, but this one has to be on your top five list of pure garbage.

Nothing wrong with throwing a party as long as you know who's coming and thus, invited. You throw a party and have strangers who you have never ever seen before in your house, sorry but thats stupid.

And like I said, I can see having a small party with people you know and more importantly, trust and can be trusted. Once it goes past that, its basically a problem waiting to happen.

Yeah you've never been to a party. There are no pat downs or security. As long as you know someone you can pretty much get in. And that kind of party isn't at a college or at a frat house where there actually might be some security. When it gets to around 100 people you can't control what happens. Part of the fun of actually having a house party is having certain people you know show up while bringing some of their friends who you assume can be trusted because you trust your initial buddies. No one micro manages a house party like that. And you aren't breaking the law by having a house party. It's not like Aldon did anything wrong. He was actually trying to stop bad **** from going down. What's next? Aldon Smith can't walk his dog because of the potential that it could bite someone that it walks past on the street?

If Aldon is going to be in the NFL 10+ years he's not going to just go to or have small "get togethers" at his house. Nor should he have to. That's ridiculous.

[dan77733]

There's nothing wrong with having a house party or going to one but thats not the point. The point is that Aldon is screwing himself over and for what? To have a few hours of fun? Yeah, thats smart. Parties are good and all but eventually, they get out of control and thats when bad stuff happens. Its just the way it is. I dont know how old you guys are but im 34, im not a little kid looking to get laid. Difference between me and Aldon is that im not making millions playing a kids game and im definitely not in the spotlight or could be a target for stuff like what happened at Aldon's house.

Aldon needs to be smarter than that. He also needs to realize that its not just himself he needs to think of. He needs to think of his teammates, coaches, management and of course, his family. No reason to put your life, health and career in jeopardy just so you can have a house party.

Aldon should consider himself lucky. He didnt get into an accident or kill anyone back in January. He got lucky by not having any serious or life threatening injuries but eventually, luck runs out.

You guys want to make fun of me for never being at a house party, go ahead. I could care less. But if you guys seriously think that Aldon isnt doing anything wrong, you're sadly mistaken. Players always put themselves in stupid situations and then want to make excuses for those mistakes. Aldon has put himself in a bad and stupid situation, not once but twice.

Huge difference between walking a dog and throwing a house party with no security and God knows who shows up looking to start trouble. The difference being one situation you can control, the other you cant. Maybe you guys are just too young to realize the difference.

[Borat]

I'm sorry Dan, but that post is just ridiculous. He threw a party at his house. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I'm just going to quote my previous post because it applies again.

[Brent]

I'm just going to quote my previous post because it applies again.
http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r610/swagdad31/applause.gif

[Ness]

There's nothing wrong with having a house party or going to one but thats not the point. The point is that Aldon is screwing himself over and for what? To have a few hours of fun? Yeah, thats smart. Parties are good and all but eventually, they get out of control and thats when bad stuff happens. Its just the way it is. I dont know how old you guys are but im 34, im not a little kid looking to get laid. Difference between me and Aldon is that im not making millions playing a kids game and im definitely not in the spotlight or could be a target for stuff like what happened at Aldon's house.

Then what is the point? That Aldon should never have any fun in the offseason when most coaches are on vacation and mini camps are over with? That Aldon should stay in his house everyday and not do anything? You might as well tell that message to every single athlete in professional sports in America. Right, I'm sure Aldon's main agenda for attending/throwing parties is to get laid. He's has so much trouble outside that atmosphere. And professional football a kids game? How about they trot your 34 year old ass for one series against the Packers on opening day at halfback and you come back and still think it's a children's game.

You guys want to make fun of me for never being at a house party, go ahead. I could care less. But if you guys seriously think that Aldon isnt doing anything wrong, you're sadly mistaken. Players always put themselves in stupid situations and then want to make excuses for those mistakes. Aldon has put himself in a bad and stupid situation, not once but twice.

Huge difference between walking a dog and throwing a house party with no security and God knows who shows up looking to start trouble. The difference being one situation you can control, the other you cant. Maybe you guys are just too young to realize the difference.

Or maybe you are just too old and senile to realize that you are blowing things out of proportion/context. Please spare us the "age" card. You don't know anyone here on this forum or what roads they've walked on. Aldon has no more control of someone deciding to sneak in a strap at a 100 plus house party than he does walking a dog down the street and the dog deciding to attack a random stranger, regardless of how well the dog is trained. It just takes one instance. By this logic Aldon should never walk on a public street again because he doesn't have control of oncoming traffic. You're right though, those are two different situations. Every situation is different. And it's hard to grasp each different situation when you aren't there in the first place Dan.

[phlysac]

Or maybe you are just too old and senile to realize that you are blowing things out of proportion/context. Please spare us the "age" card. You don't know anyone here on this forum or what roads they've walked on.

He can play the age card all he wants. I'll be 36 in August. Let's just say that I partied alot in my college years/decade. I've hosted house parties with huge numbers. I've been a complete stranger at house parties with huge numbers. I've bounced at clubs that you couldn't even walk in because they were over capacity. I've played shows in which the police have broken up with guns drawn.

None of that determines the type of person I am. It says that I lead a lifestyle that was more dangerous than some. It says absolutely nothing about my character.

[VAfy-ya]

Q: Do you see similarities between you and Alex Smith?

DB: I met Alex ... Alex actually came and trained with us a little bit down here (in San Diego) with another guy, Todd Durkin, who I still train with. We worked down here in what would have been - '06 maybe? It was when Reggie Bush was a rookie because they went to high school together in Helix (high school) here in San Diego. That's when I first met Alex. And you could immediately see, 'Hey this guy's a great athlete, he's got a great head on his shoulders, he works extremely hard and all those things. What made me like him and follow him and follow his career - obviously he's had a lot of different offensive systems. A lot different coaches, a lot of turnover around him, and he's had to suffer through some injuries. It's been one tough break after another for him. And yet, you feel like he's always handled himself very well despite the circumstances and despite the tough situations. And so whenever you see a guy like that succeed like he was able to last year - at our expense (laughs) - you still have to be very proud of the guy and happy for him. Any time you see a guy overcome adversity and handle to the right way, I'm happy for those guys. And they deserve it. Because it's not easy to do. Not everybody can do it. But he definitely seems like he's had to come up the hard way in that regard, and he's handled it very well."

Q: When did you talk to Smith about Tom House?

DB It was at the Super Bowl. He asked me about working with Tom. He said he had some things mechanically he had to work on - the shoulder and that kind of thing. And I said, 'There's no better guy to do that than Tom House. And I'll reach out to Tom and let him know you'll be contacting him. But I think it's a great fit, and let me know what you think. I'm happy to set you guys up.' Like I said, I have a lot of respect for Alex. I can appreciate the road he's travelled to get to where he's at. Certainly, I love Tom House I know what he's meant for my career and I know just how much he can help, both mentally and physically, especially at the quarterback position."

Q: Did he also help you after the '06 shoulder surgery?

DB: I had to learn how to throw again, honestly. I couldn't throw for four months. And when I came back and started throwing, it was just throwing five yards. So I had to start from scratch and I had to re-learn the throwing mechanics again. I mean, it was there. It was just a matter of getting it all wired correctly again.

Q: So there's really no overstating just how big those shoulder injuries are for a quarterback?

DB: Yeah, it can be significant. And like Tom says, there's so many little elements to it. If you hurt one thing, you can start over compensating, your mechanics change, you start putting more stress on a different part of your shoulder, your elbow - there's a lot of things that go into a throwing motion

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/07/brees-on-smith-hes-come-up-the-hard-way-and-hes-handled-it-very-well.html

[Goon61]

I agree with Dan.

The fact that Aldon is associated with people who shoot and stab each other worries me as well as the fact that he got arrested for DUI. There are many nfl players that fizzle out and lose motivation once they get a big paycheck. I just hope these things aren't signs of that being the case.

I think Aldon should surround himself either with people that care about him, and not just his money, or his colleagues. I think that goes for anyone trying to achieve big things. That is because your colleagues can give you useful advice in your field and can motivate you to work harder because you are competing with them. I think an important component to success is surrounding yourself with the right people. However that doesn't work for everyone. Joes Nameth spent most of his free time partying although I don't think anyone in his entourage was ever shot...

[phlysac]

I agree with Dan.

The fact that Aldon is associated with people who shoot and stab each other worries me as well as the fact that he got arrested for DUI. There are many nfl players that fizzle out and lose motivation once they get a big paycheck. I just hope these things aren't signs of that being the case.

I think Aldon should surround himself either with people that care about him, and not just his money, or his colleagues. I think that goes for anyone trying to achieve big things. That is because your colleagues can give you useful advice in your field and can motivate you to work harder because you are competing with them. I think an important component to success is surrounding yourself with the right people. However that doesn't work for everyone. Joes Nameth spent most of his free time partying although I don't think anyone in his entourage was ever shot...

Has it been confirmed that people were shot? If so were they confirmed to be friends with Smith?

We make correlations that often don't exist.

He should make better decisions. He should maintain a lifestyle that won't get him into trouble. He should probably party less, etc, etc, etc. But we don't know if the violence of the other night was related to Smith in any more than he being a victim of it.

[dan77733]

You guys can make fun of me all you want but some here are missing the main point. If Aldon was more careful with how he lives his life, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now. He wants to have fun, great but considering the fact that he's extremely lucky and gifted and talented to be playing in the NFL, he shouldnt take that for granted.

As for me, RB no. I'll play WR or Safety though. And im pretty sure that I would do better than what Crabtree did against the Giants in the NFC Championship game even though thats not saying much.

I'm not bashing anyone here but nowdays it seems like most people are just looking to be cool and fit in with the cool kids. Sorry but getting stabed, arrested, shot or whatever doesnt sound cool or a lot of fun to me but then again, thankfully, I have never ever been arrested, stabed or shot so who knows, maybe I should throw a house party, get wasted and start some ****. Then, I'll be having a blast and a lot of fun. Maybe, I can get some internal bleeding and stuff and some stiches and some scars. Oh man!!! I cant wait. I'm throwing a party this weekend. Oh man, drunk tank, here I come. Woo hoo!!! I'm going to be partying and having a lot fun. Cant wait.

But whatever, to each his/her own as I could care less what anyone does as long as it doesnt affect me personally whatsoever.

[phlysac]

I don't 100% disagree, Dan. The problem I have with it, is sadly, just like politics, it's either one side or the other. The truth is typically somewhere in the middle.

Noone can 100% defend Aldon Smith because we don't know if or what involvement he had in the stabbing. The opposite should also be true.

Here's my analogy...

Blaming Smith for being stabbed at a house party is similar to...

A guy jumps out of an airplane, his chute doesn't open, he dies. Blame him because he was doing something dangerous.

Possible reasons...

1) The guy failed to inspect his own chute and it resulted in him suffering his fate. It was his fault for not doing what was essential.

2) The guy simply jumped because he's been doing it and it's fun. The chute failed because there was a manufacturer's defect. It was no fault of the jumper, yet he suffered the consequences.

3) Any combination of the two.


We can defend Smith because of analogy 2. Yet, we don't know the truth.
We can bash Smith because of analogy 1. Yet, we don't know the truth.

It's likely analogy 3 but none of us know for sure. We shouldn't blindy defend or bash, or character assassinate without facts.

[dan77733]

I'm not bashing Aldon for having a party. I'm bashing Aldon because he's not being as responsible as he should be considering who he is. He may not realize it but im sure he's more well known than he thinks he is and because of that, he's a target for stuff like this.

Two incidents in six months and some guys here are missing the point. What happens if say, he suffered worse injuries or died. 49ers dont have pass rush this season and struggle? It basically becomes a domino effect and thats what bugs me the most. So many athletes are more fortunate than they realize and it pisses me off because they dont use the brain thats in their head. No one is going to give a damn what happens to Aldon but himself but when you see stuff like this, its almost like Aldon doesnt even care.

If he's going to throw a house party and spend the money required to do so, do it right and hire security to ensure that something like a stabbing and shooting doesnt happen. Considering the money spent, whats an extra 20 grand or so?

There's no common sense whatsoever. Seriously, having a party isnt more important than his long term future. You see and read about it all the time. These young guys do such stupid crap and then want to cry about it when they're my age and their money is all gone.

And getting into situations like this does show the kind of person he is. He's immature, irresponsible and not reliable. Thats not good. Football is a team sport and let's be honest, if Aldon gets suspended or whatnot from the DUI and the 49ers have no pass rush in those games he misses, thats not only hurting himself, but the team as a whole as well.

Fine, he was trying to do the right thing but he got stabbed for his efforts and he's lucky that the injuries he suffered arent serious. Next time, he may not be that lucky. For me personally, I look at it this way....no house party equals no assholes with knives and guns looking to start stuff and thus, no stab wounds, no police, no incident, etc. Crap like this is just a problem waiting to happen and more people involved, the greater the chance there is for a problem. I just dont think that having a house party for a few hours of fun is worth getting stabbed and going to the hospital for.

And yeah, I know that not every house party will go bad but more times than not, they usually do because im sure there's drugs, alcohol, etc. there and obviously, just a matter of time before two drunk assholes bump into each other or whatever, and bam, bullets start flying or whatever.

People may think im way off or stupid for what I post but im the one who's healthy sitting in front of my computer and being comfortable in my house as opposed to being in the hospital healing from stab wounds and having the police question me. Seriously, there's far better ways that are safe and fun to spend your time.

[Borat]

Enough of this. Phlysac is right in that we can't character-assassinate without all the material facts. Dan is right in that any sort of activity not football/healthy related is counter-productive to the 49ers. Sadly, both are going to happen regardless. I rule this fight a draw. A rematch has been scheduled for 3 months from now when Delanie Walker gets accused of passing bad checks.

[Rabscuttle]

The best part was where Dan said he would have girls at a party.

[phlysac]

Aldon and Delanie are ready for their next battle...

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1614/aldonsmithdelaniewalker.jpg

[dan77733]

Enough of this. Phlysac is right in that we can't character-assassinate without all the material facts. Dan is right in that any sort of activity not football/healthy related is counter-productive to the 49ers. Sadly, both are going to happen regardless. I rule this fight a draw. A rematch has been scheduled for 3 months from now when Delanie Walker gets accused of passing bad checks.

Fair enough.

The best part was where Dan said he would have girls at a party.

Funny but I dont need to go to a party for girls since I have been with my babe for over 14 months so thanks, but no thanks. I'm good.

[YAYareaRB]

good thing about being young and dumb is that he can learn from situation. if he doesn't, its on him.

[49ersfan_87]

Just had a dream we started the season 0-3. It was a terrible feeling because i legitimately think we can win the superbowl next year.

I remember having a vivid dream of SF-Arizona week 1, back in the summer 2007. Alex Smith sucked so we benched him for Cliff Curtis (the actor) and thats all i remember lmao.

[49erNation85]

@49ersfan_87 ,
that is the most terrible thought next to zombie taking over the world.However, if we started 0-3 we could still win the superbowl and make the play offs. But I don't we will start 0-3 . We are too good! Dam when is the season starting I want some football! Madden just doesn't cut it .

[Ness]

Just had a dream we started the season 0-3. It was a terrible feeling because i legitimately think we can win the superbowl next year.

I remember having a vivid dream of SF-Arizona week 1, back in the summer 2007. Alex Smith sucked so we benched him for Cliff Curtis (the actor) and thats all i remember lmao.

We face the Packers and Lions our first two weeks. Wouldn't be shocking if we started 0-2.

[dan77733]

0-2??? 0-3???

Not going to happen. 2-1 to start. Loss against the Packers even though I think we can win if Moss just explodes on their secondary. We should beat the Lions who we beat last year and our team is better this year, at least on paper. Vikings? Please, that game should be a blowout win for us.

I think that how we start is based on the wildcard for our team and thats Randy Moss. If at the very least, he can get back to what he was in 2009, I think that we'll be more dangerous on offense and be able to score more points. If he's not, then I think that we'll have problems.

[phlysac]

It's become pretty clear that the 49ers have quickly become one of the more hated teams on this board.


I, frankly, love it.

[Ness]

It's become pretty clear that the 49ers have quickly become one of the more hated teams on this board.


I, frankly, love it.

Well it's mostly because people of other teams just have no idea what they're talking about regarding some aspects of the 49ers, and when 49ers fans actually correct them they use the "oh you're just being a homer" card. It's amazing how many people here have an incorrect perception on what goes on with the 49ers. Not sure if it's a west coast thing as a lot of folks here seem to be more inline with east coast teams (there are a lot of giants fans on this board), but fans shouldn't be labeled as homers because they're correcting incorrect information.

"Vernon Davis is too stupid to play in New England's offense". Remarks like that with zero basis for a conclusion is what sparks the fire.

[phlysac]

Well it's mostly because people of other teams just have no idea what they're talking about regarding some aspects of the 49ers, and when 49ers fans actually correct them they use the "oh you're just being a homer" card. It's amazing how many people here have an incorrect perception on what goes on with the 49ers. Not sure if it's a west coast thing as a lot of folks here seem to be more inline with east coast teams (there are a lot of giants fans on this board), but fans shouldn't be labeled as homers because they're correcting incorrect information.

"Vernon Davis is too stupid to play in New England's offense". Remarks like that with zero basis for a conclusion is what sparks the fire.

Get out of here with your rational posts you blind-homer.

[binary]

I could see them starting out slow, 0-2 isn't out of the question. Alex will be booed, but the team will pick it up.

[YAYareaRB]

nah. im not buying it. Alex is poised to tear it up this season. did everything right this off season (doesn't have to learn a new offense, working mechanics with tom house, etc.) and with the new additions to the offense as well the guys like crabs and VD with experience with the offense, im expecting 2-0, at least 1-1(a close 1 at that).

[Brent]

I don't think we beat Green Bay. Don't get me wrong, I want Alex to have a career day and win against Aaron Rodgers, for his confidence's sake, but I don't see us winning.

[VAfy-ya]

Well it's mostly because people of other teams just have no idea what they're talking about regarding some aspects of the 49ers, and when 49ers fans actually correct them they use the "oh you're just being a homer" card. It's amazing how many people here have an incorrect perception on what goes on with the 49ers. Not sure if it's a west coast thing as a lot of folks here seem to be more inline with east coast teams (there are a lot of giants fans on this board), but fans shouldn't be labeled as homers because they're correcting incorrect information.

"Vernon Davis is too stupid to play in New England's offense". Remarks like that with zero basis for a conclusion is what sparks the fire.

'Hate' is the new 'Love'. True, statements like those reek of ignorance and are just a gross over-reaction. But the way I see it, everyone has their own agenda. And every opinion is skewed to meet that agenda. People will have their opinions on our players just like we have our opinion on theirs. I talk alot of football outside of this forum. Most fanbases I've encountered respect the hell out of our team and the direction Harbaalke has us headed. Nothing wrong with sticking up for our players who warrant it. Most fanbases should be so inclined. Most are, from what I see. But in general, most opposing teams don't know the in's and out's of our team like we do so I dont feel the need to defend the team as a whole. We had one good year. I expected ALOT of ppl to doubt us next year. Im actually surprise by how many ppl have us as favorites.

[VAfy-ya]

I don't think we beat Green Bay. Don't get me wrong, I want Alex to have a career day and win against Aaron Rodgers, for his confidence's sake, but I don't see us winning.

I defintely think that's a 50/50, toss-up kind of game. I like our match-ups on the outside. Im curious as to how much dime package we'll see from Fangio. I dont expect McCarthy to run the ball much at all. I expect him to spread us out and test Goldson and our top four CBs pretty much the entire game. I like our top four CB's ALOT though so I welcome the challenge. Finley is my only real concern. We have no one on defense who can match-up with him, man-to-man. That's really my only concern as team weakness right now...our ability to stop athletic, pass-catching TEs.

[Ness]

I hope Aldon Smith has five sacks that game or something ridculous like that.

[Brent]

I hope Aldon Smith has five sacks that game or something ridculous like that.
We all do.

[Madirishman]

At least the Niners won the "Best Game" ESPY last night for their dramatic win over the Saints....that made up for not beating NYG for another Super Bowl appearance....not. :/

[YAYareaRB]

if we would have beaten the giants, we would have mercy ruled the patriots. no doubt in my mind.

on another not.. listen up.

HEAR YE, HEAR YE.. If you are to defend the 49ers in any way shape or form, you will be labeled a flaming homer. that is all.

[Ness]

At least the Niners won the "Best Game" ESPY last night for their dramatic win over the Saints....that made up for not beating NYG for another Super Bowl appearance....not. :/

Oh **** I missed the ESPY's.

[Madirishman]

Oh **** I missed the ESPY's.

I'm sure you could find it online somewhere.

Let me give you a quick breakdown that will save you a couple hours of your time:

- There were only 2 really funny moments IMO:
1 ) Tebow getting made fun of by the host (Rob Riggle aka the "in the face" cop from the first Hangover movie) in the opening monologue, with the host making eye contact with Sanchez and saying "Good luck with that this year."
2) Riggle later on making fun of Anthony Davis' unibrow.

- Two touching moments:
1) Pat Summitt tribute video and speech for receiving Arthur Ashe award
2) Video update and elongated, live speech by paralyzed former Rutgers football player, Eric LeGrand.

- 49ers moment:
When accepting the award for Best Game, P-Willy joined VD on stage, who brought up and saluted a boy named Jimmy who was a teenager battling cystic fibrosis.

Annnnd of course, the Giants closer formally known as B-Dub made an appearance on the red carpet with "Brosquatch."

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/article/media_slots/photos/000/487/979/hi-res-148171972_crop_650x440.jpg?1342063048

Epic.


If you like it, then +rep me. Haha

[Ness]

I finally got around to watching the NFC Championship game again. It wasn't as bad watching it for a second time as I thought it would be. Kyle Williams screwed up, but he didn't seem as bad actually returning that ball. He had some good returns. Alex didn't have his best game and did leave some big plays on the field. His two touchdowns to Davis were great, and I would have liked to see Kendall Hunter involved a little more late in the game instead of Dixon who carried it on two important plays if I recall. And Goldson for as much good as he did that season, unfortuantely ran into Carlos Rogers and Tarrell Brown (who got hurt) trying to make an interception when those two had practically already secured one. Brock came in and played okay, although he gave up a touchdown to Manningham.

Oh and the defense straight up dominated of course. Can't wait for the season opener to see how we do at Green Bay.

[VAfy-ya]

I still say that MM touchdown was on Reggie Smith and not on Brock. Seems to me he was expecting to get inside help from the safety. Guess we'll never know but he played him awfully soft off the line for a guy who in man coverage and expecting no help. But really, that's just a great throw by Eli. He put in spot only MM could make a play on it. That's what good QBs do.

[VAfy-ya]

I belong to a Packers forum and I was reading through a bunch of their threads involving the schedule and predicting their record. And most of the posters are predicting 14-2 or 13-3. And they dont give us much of a chance on opening day. Most are more worried about the quick turnaround to face the Bears the next week. Almost like they feel, 'hey, its just the same old Niners with their second rate QB and a pretty good defense but we have Rodgers so no problem at all'. They sound EXCATLY like Saints fans, before our playoff game. ****, I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE SEASON TO START ALREADY!!! I can't recall ever being this anxious for a season to get under way.

[Ness]

I just hope we don't start 0-2. The last decade or so of letdowns still lingers with me. I can already see us getting blown out by Green Bay and then losing to the Lions on a last second touchdown to Calvin Johnson or some ******** like that. Hopefully we start 2-0 though. I love how the 49ers made all the talking heads look like morons last season practically every week.

[49ersfan_87]

I don't think we'll get blown out or anything. That's a sign of poor coaching/preparation and that won't happen under Harbaugh.

But i'm still worried about the Packers. If any team can decimate our secondary thats them. And we've only beaten them once in the last 20 years so its hard just to visualize or imagine it. But we have less than 2 months to the opener, i can't wait.

[Brent]

I just hope we don't start 0-2. The last decade or so of letdowns still lingers with me. I can already see us getting blown out by Green Bay and then losing to the Lions on a last second touchdown to Calvin Johnson or some ******** like that.
I'm just as bad about this line of thinking, too.

[YAYareaRB]

i was talking to a friend that plays for the jets. he told me their whole defense is excited to "shut down" vernon davis.. especially bart scott. CANT WAIT

[VAfy-ya]

i was talking to a friend that plays for the jets. he told me their whole defense is excited to "shut down" vernon davis.. especially bart scott. CANT WAIT

Bart Scott couldn't cover VD even if he had a clone to help him. Pure comdey. They better hope Landry is healthy or the put Revis on him, ha. But Jimbaugh/Roman's offense versus Rex Ryan's defense will be a fun chess match to watch.

[YAYareaRB]

Bart Scott couldn't cover VD even if he had a clone to help him. Pure comdey. They better hope Landry is healthy or the put Revis on him, ha. But Jimbaugh/Roman's offense versus Rex Ryan's defense will be a fun chess match to watch.

yeah. i think VD is really gonna show out to be the X-factor he was drafted to be, this upcoming season. hes had some solid years with us but i think this one is the one that's gonna define him as a player.."un-guardable" for lack of a better term.

[Ness]

yeah. i think VD is really gonna show out to be the X-factor he was drafted to be, this upcoming season. hes had some solid years with us but i think this one is the one that's gonna define him as a player.."un-guardable" for lack of a better term.

If the offensive line can protect better than last season and Alex throws the ball better, Vernon will have a good year. Should be interesting.

[YAYareaRB]

interesting side note. me and my bro were talking to will tukuafu a few days ago out here in utah. said he has been taking reps at fullback and will be the reserve behind bruce miller. 6'4" 294 lbs 2nd string fullback. we'll probably see him in the goal line role like sopoaga but he assured us that he was repping in all formations. crazy

[phlysac]

interesting side note. me and my bro were talking to will tukuafu a few days ago out here in utah. said he has been taking reps at fullback and will be the reserve behind bruce miller. 6'4" 294 lbs 2nd string fullback. we'll probably see him in the goal line role like sopoaga but he assured us that he was repping in all formations. crazy

Yeah. Will Tukuafu likely to be backup FB and DeMarcus Dobbs might be the 3rd/4th TE.

[YAYareaRB]

gplm7S8YP7U

this guy needs to be in a niners jersey next season

[dan77733]

I agree yayarearb.

Guy has good feet and instincts but the best thing is his ability to strip the ball and make plays. I wouldnt argue with him being a 49er in 2013. :)

[VAfy-ya]

Meh, Im not sure where you play him though. He needs to go to the right scheme. He isnt a cover CB but Im not sure how effective he will be in space at the next level so Im not sold on him at safety, even though I think safety would be his best position. Hell of a talent though.

As far as Tukuafu and Dobbs. I think Jimbaugh has desinated them as his 2-way guys on defense. I LOVE the move. I was a little weary of seeing our starting NT and All-Pro DE in on offense when they should be on the bench conserving energy. Now with two young back-up players, its much less risk and gets guys who wouldnt otherwise see the field some actual snaps other than STs. Also means you only have to carry two TEs and one FB. Jimbaugh milking the 53 for all its worth. I used to think why coaches didnt do more of this. These guys are just sitting on the sidelines every Sunday, not really seeing any action. Find a productive way to get some use out of them instead of them just standing on the sidelines.

[Ness]

I want Dobbs to see more time on the defensive line.

[VAfy-ya]

Dobbs time will come on defense. But its the Ray Mac and Cowboy show for now and I want us to get every snap out of those two we can.

[phlysac]

Mathieu? 5'9" 175lbs???

He'd certainly be an exception.

[YAYareaRB]

i'm not talkin 1st round. i'd actually be shocked if someone took him in the first round. but, i'd love him in the 2nd round (though he might move up with another great season).

[VAfy-ya]

Mathieu? 5'9" 175lbs???

He'd certainly be an exception.

He's going have to bulk up but i see a FS when I watch him. I dont think he cuts it as a CB in the NFL unless he's in a scheme that suits him. Not alot press, lets him play alot of off-man, which allows him to close on the ball and keep the play in front of him. Lots zone and combo coverage because he has great instincts and above average spacial awareness. But I havent really watched him closely yet to draw a firm conclusion but I will be paying close attention this year, as he is draft eligible.

[phlysac]

He's going have to bulk up but i see a FS when I watch him. I dont think he cuts it as a CB in the NFL unless he's in a scheme that suits him. Not alot press, lets him play alot of off-man, which allows him to close on the ball and keep the play in front of him. Lots zone and combo coverage because he has great instincts and above average spacial awareness. But I havent really watched him closely yet to draw a firm conclusion but I will be paying close attention this year, as he is draft eligible.

Yeah, he'd have to gain 30lbs for him to be the same size as "super-small" safeties Bob Sanders and Earl Thomas.

[VAfy-ya]

Yeah, he'd have to gain 30lbs for him to be the same size as "super-small" safeties Bob Sanders and Earl Thomas.

I wouldnt say thirty. He could play FS at around 195-200 lbs. Jim Lenhard did for years. Besides, I dont think he's 175 lbs. I think he's close to 190.

[49ersfan_87]

Rookies reported to TC yesterday. Less than a week until veterans report and the first practice begins.

The 2011 NFCCG still leaves me feeling sick...time to go all the way this year. Leggo!

[phlysac]

I wouldnt say thirty. He could play FS at around 195-200 lbs. Jim Lenhard did for years. Besides, I dont think he's 175 lbs. I think he's close to 190.

Alot of speculation by both of us. But Leonhard was undrafted and only started for 4 seasons. There's hardly a precedent.

[VAfy-ya]

Alot of speculation by both of us. But Leonhard was undrafted and only started for 4 seasons. There's hardly a precedent.

True, but Leonhard wasn't nearly the player Matheiu is. He had some above average athleticism but he wasn't nearly the caliber of a Mathieu as playmaker and instinctually on the field. Im talking more of their physical statue. And let's not forget Leonhard had a HOF ahead of him on the depth chart. He may have been listed as a SS but he was much more a centerfielder by nature. Playing him at SS was more as a means to a end, to get him on field with Reed. Just like we esentially have two MIKE's at ILB in Bowman and Willis. They used two FS's in Reed and Leonhard.

[Ness]

I uploaded the 2011 49ers NFL Yearbook to my channel on YouTube. Here is the link if you want to watch:

http://youtu.be/KKT5viN2wz8

[Brent]

thanks, Ness!

[phlysac]

I uploaded the 2011 49ers NFL Yearbook to my channel on YouTube. Here is the link if you want to watch:

http://youtu.be/KKT5viN2wz8

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ness again.

[49erNation85]

not sure if any one has read or cares but we'v signed a new CB Darcel McBath former Denver Bronco .Wonder how this will effect the depth chart ?

[Madirishman]

not sure if any one has read or cares but we'v signed a new CB Darcel McBath former Denver Bronco .Wonder how this will effect the depth chart ?

Former 2nd round pick. He'll fight for a roster spot and will need a great camp performance and lot of help through injuries to other players to have a shot.

[dan77733]

I'm guessing that we'll keep six WR's and six CB's this year. WR wise, Moss, Crabtree, Manningham, Williams, Jenkins and Ginn. CB wise, Rogers, Brown, Culliver, Brock and then the other two will be a combination of Cox, Holcomb and McBath even though I think Cox will make the team so he can be the backup returner to Ginn.

Overall, I would say the depth is very good. My only concerns are Goldson because I think that the longer he takes to sign his tender, the more rusty he'll be and the RG position. Other than those two concerns, im not really worried at all and still think that we'll go at least 12-4 barring injuries.

Either way, im looking forward to this season more than any other season in the last decade for obvious reasons. I just hope that this season doesnt copy 2002 meaning that after having a 12-4 record in 2001 and then declining to 10-6 in 2002. If Smith can play as good as last season or better and we can score at least 30ppg and if everyone stays pretty healthy, we'll be very tough to beat.

[VAfy-ya]

McBath is a FS. He is not a CB. The Jags tried to use as a CB because.....well, they're the Jags. He was a saftey in college and the Broncos drafted him as a safety. I remember he was looking like a decent player then he broke his arm. Then the Broncos went through alot of changes in their staff and he was eventually cut. McBath has some talent. He's basically taking Goldson spot because most dont expect him to sign his tender until well into the pre-season. But considering we're thin at safety he has a legitmate shot to make the roster. Only locks at safety is Goldson, Whitner, and Spillman. The way I see it, Robinson, McBath, McGree, Nelms, and Colin Jones are battling for the last two spots. May the best man win. Reason I didnt mention Thomas is because I dont see him as a legitmate safety prospect at the NFL level. He's a CB and I think that will be evident once the pads go on.

[Ness]

McBath...distant relative of Steve Atwater.

[dan77733]

McBath is a FS. He is not a CB. The Jags tried to use as a CB because.....well, they're the Jags. He was a saftey in college and the Broncos drafted him as a safety. I remember he was looking like a decent player then he broke his arm. Then the Broncos went through alot of changes in their staff and he was eventually cut. McBath has some talent. He's basically taking Goldson spot because most dont expect him to sign his tender until well into the pre-season. But considering we're thin at safety he has a legitmate shot to make the roster. Only locks at safety is Goldson, Whitner, and Spillman. The way I see it, Robinson, McBath, McGree, Nelms, and Colin Jones are battling for the last two spots. May the best man win. Reason I didnt mention Thomas is because I dont see him as a legitmate safety prospect at the NFL level. He's a CB and I think that will be evident once the pads go on.

Crap!!! After reading your post, I realized that I was wrong. McBath was basically signed to fill in for Goldson until he signs his franchise tender even though I think that McBath has a chance to make the roster. It'll be funny if he can fit right in for Goldson essentially replacing him. LOL.

McBath...distant relative of Steve Atwater.

Seriously??? If so and he can play as good as Atwater, bye bye Goldson.

[WhatWouldBillyBajemaDo?]

Off 49ers twitter feed:
S Dashon Goldson (@thehawk38) has signed his one-year franchise tender. http://bit.ly/NwLpYZ

Hooray, no holdout.

The #49ers have signed G Leonard Davis to a one-year contract. http://bit.ly/OMCCwY

Goes with Harbaugh's "Mighty Men" theme. Wonder what he will weigh in at.

[Borat]

So, I was thinking of doing a training camp version of a gameday thread. Then I got to thinking that maybe I shouldn't hog all the gameday threads. So, I'm throwing this out there: if anyone wants to do a gameday thread this year, I'm open to setting up a sign-up or sorts and anyone can take a shot at it. I can continue to do them if there is no interest. Let me know.

[VAfy-ya]

Wow, pleasantly surprised Goldson signed his tender so he can be on time. And the Davis signing I was kind of expecting, considering they liked him in free agency but there were some health issues as to why they waited to sign him. There is competition everywhere on the roster. Excited to see the final 53 that comes from these 90 players. And I got some new Niner gear on the way.....football is back!

[dan77733]

So, I was thinking of doing a training camp version of a gameday thread. Then I got to thinking that maybe I shouldn't hog all the gameday threads. So, I'm throwing this out there: if anyone wants to do a gameday thread this year, I'm open to setting up a sign-up or sorts and anyone can take a shot at it. I can continue to do them if there is no interest. Let me know.

I dont know if anyone else is going to sign up to do that but if not, I dont have a problem with you continuing posting the gameday threads and not only that, you're pretty good at posting all the pics and stuff so I say that you should continue doing it.

Wow, pleasantly surprised Goldson signed his tender so he can be on time. And the Davis signing I was kind of expecting, considering they liked him in free agency but there were some health issues as to why they waited to sign him. There is competition everywhere on the roster. Excited to see the final 53 that comes from these 90 players. And I got some new Niner gear on the way.....football is back!

I was definitely surprised too that Goldson signed his franchise tender as I wasnt expecting him to do so until after pre-season.

If Davis can regain what he was a few years ago, our starting OL will be awesome. If not, hopefully, he can provide some depth at least.

[Ness]

Glad to hear Goldson is going to be on time for training camp.

I'm on the fence about Leonard Davis. He's 33 years old.

[Ness]

Seriously??? If so and he can play as good as Atwater, bye bye Goldson.

No. That was a joke.

[VAfy-ya]

Glad to hear Goldson is going to be on time for training camp.

I'm on the fence about Leonard Davis. He's 33 years old.

He's still better than Synder though. And its not a given he beats out Kilgore or Boone. Its just like signing Moss. Its low risk, high reward. And with Looney being out until week 7, I expected us to sign a vet. Maybe not the vet I was hoping for but Davis says he's healthy. And they said he passed his conditioning test, which I think is big for a guy with known weight issues, who's been working out on his own and coming off a foot injury. Shows he's come in prepared and ready to work.

[Madirishman]

As long as they didn't sign Davis to be a tackle, it doesn't matter. He's a space eater and will do better than Rachal, at the very least.

Glad to see 'The Hawk' is 'settling' for a one year deal that will pay him over 6 Million, making more in this season that he has combined in the rest of his career. I'm just glad that the Franchise tenders for Safeties are less than most other positions.

[49ersfan_87]

Don't know if i can do this kind of stuff every day, but here are all the recaps of Day 1 of Training Camp from the major beatwriters and 49ers website.


http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-camp-727-Crabtree-hobbled-?blockID=747491&feedID=5936

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/07/inside-the-49ers/training-camp-report-vernon-davis-runs-great-routes-crabtree-injures-ankle/

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/07/day-1-recap-cox-continues-to-impress-at-cornerback.html

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2012/07/27/first-practice-review-moss-defense-look-as-swift-as-ever/

http://blog.49ers.com/2012/07/27/training-camp-report-july-27/

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/07/inside-the-49ers/harbaugh-and-the-niners-depth-chart/

Players who performed well according to the various reports: Perrish Cox, Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree (who didn't finish practice), Vernon Davis (improved route running)

Didn't perform so well: Scott Tolzien, Josh Johnson

And my boy Nathan Palmer getting some love from the beat writers

Rookie report: The best play from a rookie came courtesy of undrafted wide receiver Nathan Palmer, who stretched high to catch a pass across the middle from Johnson.

Undrafted rookie Nathan Palmer also looked good after consistently standing out during the spring sessions. Palmer is not very big - 5-11, 195 pounds - but he is aggressive in going after the football.

[Ness]

Thanks. Appreciate it.

[phlysac]

Ness posted an all-time sexy pic in the Training Camp thread. PWilly and Bowman.


I'll add some sexy...

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5783/navorrobowman.jpg


No homer, the 49ers have the sexiest looking ILBs from top-bottom.

Willis | Bowman | Grant | Gooden | Wilhoite

They all look like beasts.


It's scary how much Kourtnei Brown looks like Aldon Smith...

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8505/brownsmith.jpg

[YAYareaRB]

how has kourtnei brown been doing?

[VAfy-ya]

Haven't heard a peep about Brown, negative or otherwise but they had their first pratice in pads today so I think lineman and particularly pass-rushers will start to get some pup now that they can actually be evaluated.

And I think Harbaugh & Co. are going to have a very tough decision on their hands, deciding on this WR group. I dont see anyway Palmer doesn't make this team. Yes I know its early, but he's carried over his stellar play from OTAs, right to TC and is already turning heads. I just cant see them exposing him to the wavier wire if this trend continues. Not when you could possibly have Palmer and Jenkins as your two starters on the outside as early as 2014. Right now, they have seven WRs who could and should make the squad. I have six on my early 53. Unless they stash somebody on IR, or go with 3 OLBs again, I dont see how they could conceiveably carry seven wideouts.

[Madirishman]

They don't need to carry 7 WRs as they utilize the TE so much and will likely only dress 4 on game days.

[phlysac]

I dont see how they could conceiveably carry seven wideouts.

Which is the likely reason Nathan Palmer won't make the squad. It's insanely early. Every single team's beat writers are slobbering over a hidden gem at this point. The only people aware of Palmer are 49ers fans. Let's wait until we start seeing some preseason games before we start putting UDFAs on the roster.

[VAfy-ya]

Which is the likely reason Nathan Palmer won't make the squad. It's insanely early. Every single team's beat writers are slobbering over a hidden gem at this point. The only people aware of Palmer are 49ers fans. Let's wait until we start seeing some preseason games before we start putting UDFAs on the roster.

Like I said, if his play continues its going to be hard to keep him off the squad. We had 2 UDFAs make the squad last year. It's not out of the realm of possibilties that one UDFA could make it this year. If the best 53 includes 7 WRs, I have no doubt Jimbaugh will keep 7. He's always maintained that the best 53 will make the team, regardless of position. They gave the kid three times the signing bonus any other team was offering him just to get him in a Niner uni. They really wanted this kid here for a reason. And so far, he's showing excatly why they were enamored with his skills. Nothing wrong with speculating a little early about his chances.

[VAfy-ya]

They don't need to carry 7 WRs as they utilize the TE so much and will likely only dress 4 on game days.

Sure they don't need seven WRs....just like they didn't need six safties last year. I'm sure the numbers will work itself out when all its all said and done.

[49erNation85]

I think keeping that many WR would be a good idea in case of injury or lack of performance .

[Madirishman]

They'll be able to stash one or two of these UDFA WRs on the practice squad in case of injuries and to develop. This is a deeper team than last year so the roster will be more difficult to make, across the board. Their focus at WR is to get production out of Moss, consistency out of Crabs an development from Jenkins.

[Ness]

I think Palmer would have to play like Jerry Rice throughout camp and in the exhibition games to have a chance at making the final roster. Unfortunately football politics might get in his way.

[49ersfan_87]

Which is the likely reason Nathan Palmer won't make the squad. It's insanely early. Every single team's beat writers are slobbering over a hidden gem at this point. The only people aware of Palmer are 49ers fans. Let's wait until we start seeing some preseason games before we start putting UDFAs on the roster.

Its not like it came out of nowhere. This is a report made after the first rookie minicamp back in May.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/Rookie-minicamp-report-Good-looking-grou?blockID=706660&feedID=5936

Palmer topped the list of the 49ers' 18 undrafted free agents with a $10,000 signing bonus. Tyms was second at $8,000. Owusu, meanwhile, received $3,000.

"A lot of teams called," he said, "but I don't think there was any competition. I pretty much knew I was going to come here when they first called. The call from coach (Jim) Harbaugh and Mr. (Trent) Baalke felt very genuine about everything -- the offer and everything. They were up front with me about my chances to make this team and what I'd have to do."

Palmer had an impressive opening day on the practice field, including beating cornerback Mosley deep to catch a pass from Fleming in the morning session.

It appears to be a more-talented group of rookie free agents at wide receiver than the 49ers assembled a year ago.

Adam Schein...again, in May

I can tell you that Palmer was highly respected in the scouting community prior to the draft, so keep an eye on him in training camp.

https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/201359256035934209

https://twitter.com/mattbarrows/status/230010301767106560

Jim Harbaugh on rookie WR Nathan Palmer: "He had an excellent day yesterday.Really stood out to all of us."

If he performs even decently well in pre-season, I can't see him not making the 53.

[VAfy-ya]

Excatly my point 87, rep. This didn't just come out of nowhere. Pundits have been raving about this kid since he stepped foot on the practice field in May. Just trying to read the tea leaves here but let's say it comes down to Ginn or Palmer, do you really take the chance and expose him to the waiver wire, knowing he's going to flash in pre-season some and knowing what they did to get the kid here?

And I don't think he has to perform like Rice in any form or fashion. I just think he needs to flash potential in pre-season and make plays to lock up a slot. We haven't had a rookie WR do that in quite some time. He could be our Victor Cruz, who tore it up as a UDFA for the Giants that year. But I dont even think he needs that type of impact.

[VAfy-ya]

They'll be able to stash one or two of these UDFA WRs on the practice squad in case of injuries and to develop. This is a deeper team than last year so the roster will be more difficult to make, across the board. Their focus at WR is to get production out of Moss, consistency out of Crabs an development from Jenkins.

They'll be able stash Owusu because of his medical but no way do I see Palmer lasting on the PS all year. Hell, Ronald Johnson didnt even clear waivers last year he sucked in pratice and pre-season.

[Borat]

OK, I might as well drop this baby in here:

The only way to get rid of Crabs is to use NaPalm!

/rimshot

[Ness]

Excatly my point 87, rep. This didn't just come out of nowhere. Pundits have been raving about this kid since he stepped foot on the practice field in May. Just trying to read the tea leaves here but let's say it comes down to Ginn or Palmer, do you really take the chance and expose him to the waiver wire, knowing he's going to flash in pre-season some and knowing what they did to get the kid here?

And I don't think he has to perform like Rice in any form or fashion. I just think he needs to flash potential in pre-season and make plays to lock up a slot. We haven't had a rookie WR do that in quite some time. He could be our Victor Cruz, who tore it up as a UDFA for the Giants that year. But I dont even think he needs that type of impact.

Well Josh Morgan had a good stint in the preseason as a receiver with J.T. O'Sullivan throwing him the ball a few years ago. I'll see it when I believe it.

[VAfy-ya]

Well Josh Morgan had a good stint in the preseason as a receiver with J.T. O'Sullivan throwing him the ball a few years ago. I'll see it when I believe it.

Yea forgot about Morgan. That being said, I dont remember Morgan being talked up as consisitently as NaPalm has. He and Moss have been the most impressive WRs since camp opened. The talent level was very different back when Morgan was a rookie as opposed to now. And to standout among this group of WRs says something to me. But it wouldnt surprise me if he got a minor injury and they stashed him on IR all year. Happens all the time.

And I replied to your quote on this very same topic on the .com boards earlier this morning Ness lol...

[Ness]

Yea forgot about Morgan. That being said, I dont remember Morgan being talked up as consisitently as NaPalm has. He and Moss have been the most impressive WRs since camp opened. The talent level was very different back when Morgan was a rookie as opposed to now. And to standout among this group of WRs says something to me. But it wouldnt surprise me if he got a minor injury and they stashed him on IR all year. Happens all the time.

And I replied to your quote on this very same topic on the .com boards earlier this morning Ness lol...

Yeah I saw that thanks for the response.

[49ersfan_87]

Yea forgot about Morgan. That being said, I dont remember Morgan being talked up as consisitently as NaPalm has. He and Moss have been the most impressive WRs since camp opened. The talent level was very different back when Morgan was a rookie as opposed to now. And to standout among this group of WRs says something to me. But it wouldnt surprise me if he got a minor injury and they stashed him on IR all year. Happens all the time.

And I replied to your quote on this very same topic on the .com boards earlier this morning Ness lol...

That's what actually happened to Victor Cruz. He dominated the 2010 preseason, was put on IR, and forgotten about until 2011.

And, speak of the devil. From the examiner and Christian Gin

-WR Nathan Palmer continued to impress from yesterday. He had five catches again in finding ways to get open.

Anyways, more notes from today. Taking the articles from beat writers i could find

http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-san-francisco-niners/niners-talk/49ers-camp-730-Crabtree-still-sidelined?blockID=748725&feedID=5936

http://www.examiner.com/article/49ers-training-camp-notes-day-four

http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/07/kaepernick-out-guns-teammates-in-accuracy-test.html

Some general thoughts

-Kaepernick won a 4 way accuracy test. He tied with Alex in one drill, but was a bit faster at throwing the ball. 2nd drill Alex didn't participate in, and Kaep won. Tolzien came in 3rd, Johnson 4th in both drills. Details are in Barrows blog.

-Crabtree, Manningham, Hastings all miss practice. Didn't say what was wrong with Manningham. Jewel Hampton also had surgery, out for 6 weeks (PUP candidate).

-Dobbs continues to play TE. Is this a sign we want to save a roster spot by using our 6th DL as a TE?

-AJ Jenkins had 3 catches

-Culliver also had a solid day

[Borat]

Man, I haven't been to .com since the Nolan years. The trolls and Debbie Downers were too much to handle. Has it gotten any better?

[YAYareaRB]

7 WRs.. if they're worth the space, i would keep them on

[Ness]

Man, I haven't been to .com since the Nolan years. The trolls and Debbie Downers were too much to handle. Has it gotten any better?

Nope. I've taken a year or so off of them and I don't think I checked in during the regular season. I don't like most of the people there, but I've tried posting there during this offseason in recent weeks to see how it is. Some of the more obnoxious assholes seem to be gone (banned I should say), but it still has the same feel there. That being said there are a handful of good posters on that forum.

[VAfy-ya]

Man, I haven't been to .com since the Nolan years. The trolls and Debbie Downers were too much to handle. Has it gotten any better?

Yeah pretty much why I started posting here more. There are a few there who give good insight. But too many knee-jerk, post whores as a whole who just like to spew nonsense all over the place. When ppl were bashing the Harbaugh hiring and saying Baalke being GM was the result of the Yorks being cheap is when I decided enough was enough. I drop by to lurk from time to time but not much has changed. I really liked Football Future's 49ers forum. Seems like a solid group of posters there but for some reason, they never approved my membership.

[Madirishman]

They'll be able stash Owusu because of his medical but no way do I see Palmer lasting on the PS all year. Hell, Ronald Johnson didnt even clear waivers last year he sucked in pratice and pre-season.

Yes, they'll be able to stash Owusu on the P-Squad.

Johnson (who was a number one college recruit out of high school in the state of Michigan) was released and then cleared waivers. He decided to sign with the Eagles practice squad over the Niners; they didn't pick him off the waiver wire.....and he was a former USC player that had been on scouts' watch lists for many years.

[phlysac]

I'm not doubting that Palmer can make the team, especially if he deserves it. I just temper my enthusiasm regarding practice reports. Let's see some games and I'll alter my take.

Go to any team's beat writer's blogs and you'll see article after article of unknown players looking like HOFers in TC.

[Ness]

I'm not doubting that Palmer can make the team, especially if he deserves it. I just temper my enthusiasm regarding practice reports. Let's see some games and I'll alter my take.

Go to any team's beat writer's blogs and you'll see article after article of unknown players looking like HOFers in TC.

This is true. Well, Palmer will certainly have his chance. Even if he does well, he would have to basically move heaven and Earth to make the final roster and be a big contributor on Sundays. Six receivers are ahead of him right now. Better that it's positive news I'm hearing though.

[phlysac]

Don't get me wrong, I hope Palmer is a superstar in hiding, but do me a favor...

Read the over-abundance of travesty in this training camp report from 2007...

When the 49ers reported to training camp last week, fans and observers were buzzing about all the talented receivers the team acquired in the offseason -- Darrell Jackson, Ashley Lelie and Jason Hill -- and about Marcus Maxwell, who was coming off a dazzling season in NFL Europa.

No one said a thing about Taylor Jacobs. But they are now.

Of the 10 receivers on the squad, none has stood out as much as the 26-year-old Jacobs

[Ness]

My goodness those receivers sucked.

[phlysac]

My goodness those receivers sucked.

All-World SUCK. Yet the TC report was filled with optimism.

[VAfy-ya]

All-World SUCK. Yet the TC report was filled with optimism.

Now compare the talent from then and now......there is no comparsion. Where's the HOF in that group? Where's the FA WR coming off a stellar post-season and clutch SB performace in that group? Where's the first round draft pick from that year in that group? Where's the WR who came close to putting up the kind of numbers Crabs did over the last 10 games in that group? This is the comp Palmer is facing and he's still getting it done. I understand what your trying to say but that's what beat writers do, report the good and the bad and get enthusiastic about stellar play. I didnt see anybody calling Palmer the next Jerry Rice. All anybody has said is that kid continues to stand out. And whole premise of the arguement is that Palmer will make the 53 if this pattern continues. And if I recall correctly, Jacobs made the squad that year so thanks for proving my point.

[VAfy-ya]

Yes, they'll be able to stash Owusu on the P-Squad.

Johnson (who was a number one college recruit out of high school in the state of Michigan) was released and then cleared waivers. He decided to sign with the Eagles practice squad over the Niners; they didn't pick him off the waiver wire.....and he was a former USC player that had been on scouts' watch lists for many years.

I stand corrected on Johnson. But if you think Palmer isn't on NFL scouts radar, think again. There were TONS of teams after him as a UDFA. He said he was headed here all along but I heard reports that Miami and Seattle were all over him, that's why we upped his signing bonus to make it more enticing to choose us. There was a small contigent of pundits buzzing about him after his Pro Day. Alot ppl were surprised he wasn't drafted. That's why teams have pro scouting departements. People around the league know what Palmer is doing with us just like we hopefully know what guys at other camps that we liked are doing around the league. I'm sure every team has their own Palmer they're hoping clears waivers. I visit other team's forums all the time. I was surpise just how many fanbases other than ours knew about Palmer before the draft. Especially those looking for WR help.

[phlysac]

Now compare the talent from then and now......there is no comparsion. Where's the HOF in that group? Where's the FA WR coming off a stellar post-season and clutch SB performace in that group? Where's the first round draft pick from that year in that group? Where's the WR who came close to putting up the kind of numbers Crabs did over the last 10 games in that group? This is the comp Palmer is facing and he's still getting it done. I understand what your trying to say but that's what beat writers do, report the good and the bad and get enthusiastic about stellar play. I didnt see anybody calling Palmer the next Jerry Rice. All anybody has said is that kid continues to stand out. And whole premise of the arguement is that Palmer will make the 53 if this pattern continues. And if I recall correctly, Jacobs made the squad that year so thanks for proving my point.

I'm not arguing the point about a final-53. I'm saying don't believe everything you read before games start. It doesn't matter how a player looks in practice.

[VAfy-ya]

I'm not arguing the point about a final-53. I'm saying don't believe everything you read before games start. It doesn't matter how a player looks in practice.

Everything matters. You can only get on the field on gamedays by proving yourself in practice so I cant see how you can take that stance. I never said Palmer was the best WR ever in Niner TC history or that he's destined for stardom. I don't think any beat writer has said anything close to that either. This whole thing started because I said he should make the 53 if his play continues. I think its fair to assume, if he makes the 53, alot would have to happen for him to see the field anytime this year. Him and Jenkins both. If he makes it with Jenkins, you can point towards Harbaugh making that personel move for the future and how he probably envisions Jenkins and Palmer as a possible starting tandem down the road. Your right in essence....how you perform on the big stage is the ultimate test but perfect pratice makes perfect is what my coach used to always say. It starts there.

[phlysac]

Everything matters. You can only get on the field on gamedays by proving yourself in practice so I cant see how you can take that stance. I never said Palmer was the best WR ever in Niner TC history or that he's destined for stardom. I don't think any beat writer has said anything close to that either. This whole thing started because I said he should make the 53 if his play continues. I think its fair to assume, if he makes the 53, alot would have to happen for him to see the field anytime this year. Him and Jenkins both. If he makes it with Jenkins, you can point towards Harbaugh making that personel move for the future and how he probably envisions Jenkins and Palmer as a possible starting tandem down the road. Your right in essence....how you perform on the big stage is the ultimate test but perfect pratice makes perfect is what my coach used to always say. It starts there.

I absolutely agree. My stance is that what beat writers say is happening in practice, and what coaches see happening in practice are often two very different things. Even players that shine in preseason games are often allowed to walk because we, as fans, only get snippets of the whole story. Kory Sheets is a great example of a player whom beat writers boasted about. He ran well during games. Coaches saw differently.

[Brent]

I see no reason, at this point, to not trust Baalke.

[Ness]

The season isn't here yet, but in case you are either bored or have time I uploaded this game from 1998 on my channel. Colts at 49ers. Rookie Peyton Manning against Steve Young.

Part 1:

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Part 2:

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[Borat]

Without watching those videos, I remember Steve Young running in a sweet TD and getting smoked on the goalline. Amirite?

[49ersfan_87]

Barrows reccommends the 49ers keep an eye on a UDFA NOT named Nathan Palmer

Keep an eye on undrafted Tony Jerod-Eddie. The 49ers have been lining the Texas A&M up at all three DL positions in an effort to see where he best fits. The guy has size and very good strength.

Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/07/49ers-depth-chart-whos-lining-up-where.html#storylink=cpy

[Madirishman]

Barrows reccommends the 49ers keep an eye on a UDFA NOT named Nathan Palmer



Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/07/49ers-depth-chart-whos-lining-up-where.html#storylink=cpy

LOL

"We're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last but we're talking about practice man." --Allen Iverson

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

[Ness]

Without watching those videos, I remember Steve Young running in a sweet TD and getting smoked on the goalline. Amirite?

Yeah he pulled off a ridiculous run for a touchdown. I don't remember him getting lit up if that is what you mean. A defender tried to tackle him when he was practically in the endzone and he basically shrugged him off and spiked the ball afterward. I'd have to watch the game again though.

[49ersfan_87]

LOL

"We're talking about practice. I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last but we're talking about practice man." --Allen Iverson

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI

I still think Palmer has a decent chance of making the 53. I outlined why before. But also in 2011, Ian Williams didn't make an impact but we held on to him because we didn't want to expose him to waivers. So its definitely not unheard of. And i just listened to Barrows on KNBR...names Palmer and Jerrod-Eddie as UDFA's to watch out for. Says Jerrod-Eddie plays around the line and Palmer just makes plays every day.

Anyways, some talk about players not named Palmer. From barrows chat today

Moss

MattB_49: I can only go on what I've seen so far. And what I've seen is a guy who is clearly the best wide receiver on the field, a guy who is helping out his teammates at every opportunity and a guy who said all the right things to the media (although he only speaks to the media every 137 days). Could that unravel? Sure. But so far, so good.

Tramaine Brock

MattB_49: He's had a rough opening to camp. (I hope Harbaugh doesn't read that and have a Tramaine-Brock-will-be-outstanding press conference).

Who takes his place as the 5th CB? Nelms? Holcomb?

Manningham

MattB_49: Slippery. I'm nicknaming him The Electric Eel ... Anyone else like that song by MGMT?

http://www.sacbee.com/live/

Looks like cut down day is going to be tough. We have a surplus of talent and undoubtedly, some good players are going to be released.

[Ness]

I hope he means Manningham is slipping by defenders and not dropping balls.

[VAfy-ya]

Yeah I think that's what he means Ness. I havent heard about MM droping any passes since he's been here.

And I was very happy when I saw they signed Eddie after the draft. Good to see he's turning heads. I don't think he takes either Tuakafu or Dobbs spot because of their role on offense but with Tuakafu, Ice, and RJF all being a UFA at the year's end, its going to be hard to pass on young talent on D-Line. But you gotta love that we're finding some real gems as UDFAs.

[Ness]

According to Maiocco since camp started Alex Smith has clearly separated himself from the other quarterbacks. Good news.

[hawkeye123]

Who's the #2 QB right now? Kaep or Johnson?

[Ness]

Who's the #2 QB right now? Kaep or Johnson?

From what I've read, it doesn't really matter and Johnson, Tolzien, and Kaepernick are almost interchangeable. At least that was the feeling I got. Pro Football Focus was at 49ers camp the other day. They think it's Johnson clearly. Here is the rest of their report:

Stop No. 6 — Santa Clara, California; 49ers Camp

Miles Traveled to date: 11,281

(Stepping in to give Neil a night off from writing.) Reaching the 49ers’ Santa Clara camp requires some negotiating of the surrounding construction that will in two years result in their new stadium home. Cranes and trucks, steel beams and dust are the welcome party, but beyond that was a football headquarters that appeared—at least at cursory glance—to operate in a very regimented manner.

After meeting in the parking lot and stopping at the office to check in, we made our way to the media corral. As Peter ran off from there to catch a few words with Justin Smith, we dodged a bit of the pounding sun by meeting with beat writers in the air-conditioned media bungalow. A cafeteria lunch followed just before we made our way to the practice field for an early look at the 2012 49ers.



Key Topics

1) Committed to the Unconventional

One underlying theme presented while watching the full units work against each other: the offense was throwing everything it had out there. For an entire full-team portion of practice, each offensive group—be that the 1’s, the 2’s, or some mix of them and others—ran nothing but edge-of-the-playbook type of misdirection plays. Options from the shotgun, end-arounds coming under the QB, fakes off of those to designed boots and rolls … with each of the four QBs getting shots at running them, and the full stable of running backs and receivers in the mix. Adding to the odd-ball nature of the period were personnel combos that included defensive tackle Demarcus Dobbs at tight end and linebacker Michael Wilhoite at fullback.

Granted, an isolated bit of practice, but spending a full chunk of time on this stuff shows some dedication to it and that it has a home in the playbook … and would it really be that strange? Considering the 49ers’ use of defensive players on offense in 2011 (Isaac Sopoaga, for example, spent 51 snaps as part of the offense) and that one of their most memorable plays of the season was a certain third-down boot in the final minutes of a playoff game.



2) Good Randy

Randy Moss came to a team sorely in need of impact from a player at his position. The question, of course, was: which Moss will show up? From the looks of things on the field, the engaged, eager, and interested Moss is here now. He was seen jawing with the D-line group from 25 yards away, pulling aside the young QBs to talk pass placement depending on his position relative to coverage, and made at least two outstanding effort grabs on comeback routes while fighting through traffic—and on both promptly broke loose of grasping defenders to sprint toward the far end zone. It makes sense that he would be feeling good about his opportunity; latching on with a team that was just a hair from the title game (a team that could use his experience and savvy) while he surely desires an “I still got it” statement season.



3) Tremendous Twosome

The first group I got to see today was the inside linebackers. There’s something about being that close to two incredible athletes who can play in unison the way Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman can—I couldn’t take my eyes off of them. Fluid and powerful movement. Effortless communication. Complete control of the middle of the field. From bag drills, to 7-on-7, to full-team 1’s vs. 1’s, there was no disputing they were the central figures of the 49er defense. Nothing ground-breaking here for sure, but I had to take a moment to stress that as great as each may be on his own, acting in tandem they are truly something special.



Other Notes

● Best ball I saw today: Alex Smith rolling right behind sliding pocket, pausing then firing a strike to Ted Ginn on a comeback route at the sideline. Sharp pass, timed, located, and came in hot.

● Big Leonard Davis ran with the 2’s today and was at right guard every snap I saw him. Looks like he can still move and may end up as a legit option should Alex Boone prove not to be the answer.

● In the competition behind Alex Smith, Josh Johnson, to me, looked far and away the better QB than Colin Kaepernick today. Better feet, quicker and smoother motion, better velocity, on target just as often and fully able to make all of the throws. Small sample size considered, my money’s on him settling in behind Smith.

● I saw two forms of Brandon Jacobs today. One being a pads-down, high knees, snorting yardage-eater, and the other being the feeling-his-way big man looking for the easy path through the line. Was far more impressed with the former, shame it’s not an every-down persona.

● I got a quick chat in with Frank Gore at the end of practice and asked his thoughts on all of the new blood in the running back group. He shot a question back, “how do you think I looked out there today?” I told him I thought he looked quick and strong (I did, he was sharp today). He smiled and said: “Good. Tell everyone that.” Frank, this is me telling everyone.

● At one point in the day, the QB group was brought to the near sideline to face a large net with three cut-out openings. Each in turn, Kaepernick, Johnson, Tolzien, and Smith competed in carnival fashion to throw balls through the openings, tallying and timing each series of throws. As fun as it was to see them competing and hear them ribbing each other, my side discussion with punter Andy Lee stole the show … one comment about how it wouldn’t be good for the team if he stepped in and showed them up was particularly noteworthy.

● I couldn’t live with myself if I produced a PFF post about the 49ers and didn’t mention Justin Smith. Word from the writers was that in yesterday’s first full-pad practice he was a terror, literally tossing opposing linemen aside at will. Didn’t see that today, but it’s probably fair to think that doing it on Day 1 was more than enough to show he’s ready to pick up where he left off.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/31/camp-tour-2012-santa-clara/

[49ersfan_87]

Man, I haven't been to .com since the Nolan years. The trolls and Debbie Downers were too much to handle. Has it gotten any better?

Speaking of the .com boards, has anyone been able to access it today? I haven't been able to use it all day. It just says "board currently unavailable, we'll be back soon".

[Borat]

Speaking of the .com boards, has anyone been able to access it today? I haven't been able to use it all day. It just says "board currently unavailable, we'll be back soon".

There was a rumor that a couple of posters there actually were having a good experience so the trolls organized a blood orgy and everyone went back to hating their lives.

[Ness]

Speaking of the .com boards, has anyone been able to access it today? I haven't been able to use it all day. It just says "board currently unavailable, we'll be back soon".

I think they are in the process of relocating a good amount of data to other servers.

[phlysac]

Tramaine Brock



Who takes his place as the 5th CB? Nelms? Holcomb?


I don't know if he's dropped that far. One of the reason's it's been a rough camp is that he's lost his spot to Perrish Cox. Which, at least to me, was expected. Perrish Cox is a sick player. He's just a knucklehead.

[VAfy-ya]

I don't know if he's dropped that far. One of the reason's it's been a rough camp is that he's lost his spot to Perrish Cox. Which, at least to me, was expected. Perrish Cox is a sick player. He's just a knucklehead.

I think ppl are severly underating Cox's talents. He looked like a guy who could eventually be a solid starter sooner rathet than later during his rookie year. I was disapointed with his workout leading up to the draft that year but he was a beast as a college player. Kid can play ball. Its always been about his decision making off the field. Was not surprised he moved ahead of Brock.

I still like Brock though. We tendered him for a reason. He's still young and getting better. But we have four good CBs in front of him. Nothing wrong with that. I think ppl are going to be surprised by how well this group performs this year.

[Ness]

Brock was playing well until his broke his hand last year early in the season.

[edgrenade]

Barrows reccommends the 49ers keep an eye on a UDFA NOT named Nathan Palmer



Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2012/07/49ers-depth-chart-whos-lining-up-where.html#storylink=cpy

I became a fan of Jerod-Eddie at the Senior Bowl. I think he likely makes the practice squad

[VAfy-ya]

Great Kyle Williams interview, and he tore it up at pratice today as well.....

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2012/08/01/kyle-williams-theres-a-different-type-of-feeling-when-you-get-knocked-on-your-ass-like-i-did/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+49ersHotRead+%2849ers+Hot+Rea d%29

[Ness]

The 49ers worked on red zone drills today with the offense. And it didn't go well. A lot of interceptions thrown. So not the news I wanted to hear.

[phlysac]

The 49ers worked on red zone drills today with the offense. And it didn't go well. A lot of interceptions thrown. So not the news I wanted to hear.

If you're a pessimist. Perhaps, the 49ers redzone defense is insanely good.

:P

[Borat]

Should have taken Fleener.

[Brent]

Should have taken Fleener.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6hrmgrrnd1qzx8o2.gif

[Ness]

If you're a pessimist. Perhaps, the 49ers redzone defense is insanely good.

:P

I'm just saying it's not the news I wanted to hear. We had the best red zone defense last year and I thought of that when reading the report, but it just sounded dreadful today. We'll see what happens when the season starts of course. I just don't want our defense to have to do 80% of the work like last year.

[Ness]

49ers offense looks like **** for second straight day against the defense.

[phlysac]

49ers offense looks like **** for second straight day against the defense.

Again, you could also say... 49ers defense looks like it might be all-time great this year.

[Ness]

Again, you could also say... 49ers defense looks like it might be all-time great this year.

If the offense was having success in practice I would think that the 49ers offense has gotten better more so than the 49ers defense has gotten worse.

The defense is good, but we already know it will be good this upcoming season. At worst a top ten unit. But the offense needs to get better. That's a big reason why we didn't get to the Super Bowl last season. The defense and David Akers can't be a crutch for failed third downs, and inconsistent scoring in the redzone for a second straight year. That's just unacceptable.

It's an offensive league and offenses usually win championships. We need a great offense more than we need a great defense. I hate to say it, but it's the truth. I'd say that for any team. Their chances of competing year in and year out with a dominant offense are a lot better than trying to keep the same dominant defense together for years, which is just impossible.

[VAfy-ya]

49ers offense looks like **** for second straight day against the defense.

So what? Its typical for the offense to lag behind the defense in the early portion of camp, unless maybe your the Packers or the Saints, who have been running the same offense for almost 5 years now. Offense usually takes longer to come around. This is only our second TC running this scheme and we're incoperating alot of new faces into the fold as well implementing the entire playbook for the first time. Execution takes time. Our defense was one of the best in the league and returned all 11 starters as well as some key back-ups....they should be dominating THE FIRST WEEK OF TC. Much ado about nothing. If they're still looking ragged after the third pre-season game then it might be time to be concerned.

[phlysac]

Here ya go, Ness...

Things became more competitive between the offense and defense during a night practice at 49ers Training Camp presented by HP. Following two days of dominance by Vic Fangio’s crew, the 49ers offense rebounded to make a number of plays against last year’s second-best scoring defense.
For starters, San Francisco’s starting offense punched in a touchdown from two-yards out in a live, short-yardage goal-line period. Coincidentally, the touchdown came from converted tight end Demarcus Dobbs who was wearing a No. 40 practice jersey. No official word on a potential uniform change, but Dobbs got behind Patrick Willis’ coverage to haul in a 3-yard pass from Alex Smith in the back right corner of the end zone.
Things fared better for the offense in a later move the ball period. Alex Smith and the first-team unit picked up four first downs to set up a field goal attempt from David Akers.
Red zone 7-on-7 work late in practice saw Smith complete short touchdowns to Williams and Moss against the first-team defense. Williams scored on a slant pattern against Tarell Brown, while Moss’ score came on a slant route against Carlos Rogers.

[Brent]

dude, post a source.

[Borat]

Now our defense sucks!

[Ness]

Here ya go, Ness...

Getting better.

Now our defense sucks!
No, now our offense has hope LOL.

[phlysac]

dude, post a source.

Apologies...

http://blog.49ers.com/2012/08/04/training-camp-report-aug-4/

[Ness]

I've uploaded the original broadcast of the Monday Night Football game of the Broncos at 49ers in 1997 if you people want to watch it.

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[Borat]

No, now our offense has hope LOL.

Well played Ness lol.

[Ness]

Someone on the main 49ers message board said they looked at A.J. Jenkins highlights on YouTube and said that he should have been undrafted. Gotta love internet scouts.

[Ness]

I've uploaded another game to my channel. I had to make the listing private along with all of my other games. It looks like all of the other channels I've seen with full broadcasts have all been taken away. I guess the NFL and YouTube are cracking down. Hopefully this stays up for a while. Anyways here are the two links to this game which is the week 11 matchup between the 49ers and Cowboys of the 1994 season.

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[dan77733]

Watching the Broncos/49ers game. Remember this game and seeing the team we had, im still pissed that we lost to the Packers. I actually hate the Packers more than Cowboys. Favre/Freeman always did that stupid inside slant and everyone knows/knew it was coming and we still didnt stop them. UGH.

[Ness]

Report from today's practice.

The defense had their ways for the ninth day of training camp. The running game was shut down for majority of the day and only a few receivers were able to make catches. Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers are who stood out. The secondary of Dashon Goldson and Donte Whitner were also very impressive.

Harbaugh specifically liked what he's been seeing in Kendall Hunter. He's been having a strong offseason.

"Kendall Hunter is having an exceptional offseason and camp," said Harbaugh. "His instincts and his vision have improved. The timing of his running patterns on various run plays are better. The feel and experience is there and is in tremendous shape with a lot of confidence. He has a [big] chance to have a good year."

On defense, he has been impressed with Ahmad Brooks. Brooks have been working hard and improving his game everyday, according to Harbaugh.

"Ahmad Brooks has been fantastic all offseason," said Harbaugh. "[Brooks] is in the best shape he's ever been. This is the best offseason he's had. That speaks a lot of volumes about a guy. He's having an outstanding training camp."

Even though the defense has been dominant, Harbaugh has seen improvement from the offense. He's been happy to see the defense play well for the majority of training camp.

"Our defense is playing extremely well," said Harbaugh. "If the offense was moving the ball down the field a lot, it would be a cause for a great concern. The fact our defense is making our offense better [and] the fact that there's 16 other teams that have to look down that gun barrel makes me the happiest guy in the world."

http://www.examiner.com/article/49ers-training-camp-day-9-recap-defense-still-control

[Madirishman]

T.O. signed with the Seachickens this afternoon. ROFL



and......



cue Dan.

[Ness]

I've uploaded the week 2 game from the 1988 season between the 49ers and Giants. This is the notable contest where Steve Young started the first half, was shaky and then replaced by Joe Montana in the second half who threw a last second touchdown to Jerry Rice to win the game. Rice had also been having a shaky contest the entire day. Ronnie Lott and Lawrence Taylor didn't play in this game unfortunately.

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[dan77733]

T.O. signed with the Seachickens this afternoon. ROFL

and......

cue Dan.

To me, there's really no difference between Owens and Moss except Owens is stronger but Moss is faster. Other than that, both are the same. I know a lot of people here hate T.O. but yet, love or at least like Moss which makes no sense to me. Until Moss becomes a problem. Hopefully, he doesnt but at the same time, I wouldnt be surprised one bit if he does.

As for Owens, he's still my favorite receiver. Has been for over a decade and just because he's in SEA wont change that. I hope he does good and think that he will if Flynn and their OL play well. He's already at worse the Seahawks second best WR behind Baldwin. Rice is injury prone more than Owens and Edwards still sucks. I'm expecting Owens to start opposite Baldwin with Rice and Edwards third and fourth.

At almost 39 years old, Owens is in better conditioning than the majority of players half his age and that includes our own receivers in Crabtree and Jenkins. Love or hate him, im happy he's back in the NFL but would have preferred him going back to the Cowboys or going to the Texans to start opposite Johnson. Either way, to me the only difference between Moss and Owens for us 49ers fans is that Moss hasnt become a problem, at least not yet. Both of them can become problems in the locker room quickly but the one thing that I have always loved about Owens is that on the field, he wants the ball and wants to win. And considering the other WR's on SEA, getting him the ball more times than not could be a far bigger positive than people think it will be.

My friend is pissed because he was hoping that Jerry Jones would have brought him back to DAL and say whatever you want, choosing Roy Williams over Owens was a HUGE and stupid mistake. I personally would rather have an asshole in Owens who plays and works his ass off as opposed to a guy like Braylon Edwards, Buress, and many others.

Should be funny in SEA when Owens talks to Edwards and asks him what he meant last year as a 49er when he didnt want to be known as T.O. Edwards is just as big of an asshole but the difference is that work, conditioning and play wise, he's not even good enough to carry Owens jockstrap let alone be good enough to match him on the field. Also find it funny for the second time in two years, Owens signs with the team that signed Antonio Bryant and then released him due to injury and quite simply sucking.

In the end, should be fun though and the two Seahawks games just became more interesting. I also think that SEA will be our main competition with or without Owens because Flynn/Jackson are both better than Kolb (who sucks beyond belief) and Skelton. OL wise, both are the same. WR wise, ARZ wins and RB wise, I would say is even as well as defense/special teams but it all comes down to the QB and while I do think Skelton is better than Kolb, he's not better than Flynn or Jackson in my opinion.

And finally, I just purchased an old 20GB PS3 so I can watch NFL Sunday Ticket. Will definitely be an interesting and fun season to say the least. :)

[Ness]

To me, there's really no difference between Owens and Moss except Owens is stronger but Moss is faster. Other than that, both are the same.

Dan, this isn't Madden. There are other differences to Owens and Moss than their strength and speed.

[YAYareaRB]

Dan, this isn't Madden. There are other differences to Owens and Moss than their strength and speed.

what do you mean? moss' speed is 96 and owens strength is 74 in real life!!!!

[YAYareaRB]

cant wait for more of this:

http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/AhmadBrooks.jpg

[dan77733]

Dan, this isn't Madden. There are other differences to Owens and Moss than their strength and speed.

what do you mean? moss' speed is 96 and owens strength is 74 in real life!!!!

Really? What differences? Both are assholes period. Both can split locker rooms. Moss doesnt like to go up the middle. Moss will lose interest fast if its not going his way. Owens not as fast as he used to be. Owens cant break off the line as good as he used to. To me, both are the same. One is a finesse receiver and the other is power. Thats it. Otherwise, no difference.

And second, I have said it a million times. I hate Crappadden. 2K5 is STILL the greatest football video game of all time.

[Borat]

Dan, the difference is Moss never sh!t all over my favorite franchise. I feel like I might have mentioned this once or twice or a bazillion times. The Niners are too classy of a franchise to ever bring back a guy who trashed their organization the way Owens did.

[Ness]

Really? What differences? Both are assholes period. Both can split locker rooms. Moss doesnt like to go up the middle. Moss will lose interest fast if its not going his way. Owens not as fast as he used to be. Owens cant break off the line as good as he used to. To me, both are the same. One is a finesse receiver and the other is power. Thats it. Otherwise, no difference.

And second, I have said it a million times. I hate Crappadden. 2K5 is STILL the greatest football video game of all time.

Moss never threw his teammates under the bus as much as Owens did. Moss just gave up when he felt the team was a mess.

Owens's hands have always been suspect. Randy Moss has great hands and catches everything his way. That's one key difference. Moss is also a master at the fade and jump ball. Both can get open and make plays for you in a variety of different ways and both have their strengths and weakness. It's a lot more than just one is stronger than the other and one is faster than the other. They even have a difference in height believe it or not Dan.

[dan77733]

Dan, the difference is Moss never sh!t all over my favorite franchise. I feel like I might have mentioned this once or twice or a bazillion times. The Niners are too classy of a franchise to ever bring back a guy who trashed their organization the way Owens did.

Nearly every player talks crap about his ex-team. Few dont or it just doesnt get to the media. Personally, I dont care about crap he said. He's not being paid for his bullcrap, he's being paid for his play on the field. To each his/her own though. To many here hold a grudge. I personally dont care about this mickey mouse bullcrap. I only cared about Owens playing good and winning games. Thats it. Could care less about all this other crap.

As for Moss. Remains to be seen. He may not "crap" over the franchise but if he quits on the team, how is that any better? Answer: It's not. If anything, its worse because not only do you have a player of skill and talent not playing up to his ability but because of that, it will affect everyone else. After all, players get paid for their play on the field, not to be Angels.

Moss never threw his teammates under the bus as much as Owens did. Moss just gave up when he felt the team was a mess.

Owens's hands have always been suspect. Randy Moss has great hands and catches everything his way. That's one key difference. Moss is also a master at the fade and jump ball. Both can get open and make plays for you in a variety of different ways and both have their strengths and weakness. It's a lot more than just one is stronger than the other and one is faster than the other. They even have a difference in height believe it or not Dan.

And Moss giving up on his teammates isnt the same thing? Its the same thing but instead of words, he used actions which speak louder than words.

Moss does catch everything and has great hands when he wants to play. If he gets to where he doesnt want to play, him having great hands and catching everything will be irrelevant.

But to each his/her own. You guys want to hate Owens. Go ahead. I'm not telling anyone to love him or hate him. Personally, I dont really care. He's still my favorite receiver and just like my opinion isnt going to change anyone else's opinion, no one's opinion is going to change mine.

With all that said, im still looking forward to the season and the two Seahawks games.

[phlysac]

"I play when I want to play"
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[Ness]

And Moss giving up on his teammates isnt the same thing? Its the same thing but instead of words, he used actions which speak louder than words.

Moss does catch everything and has great hands when he wants to play. If he gets to where he doesnt want to play, him having great hands and catching everything will be irrelevant.

But to each his/her own. You guys want to hate Owens. Go ahead. I'm not telling anyone to love him or hate him. Personally, I dont really care. He's still my favorite receiver and just like my opinion isnt going to change anyone else's opinion, no one's opinion is going to change mine.

With all that said, im still looking forward to the season and the two Seahawks games.

No it's not the same thing. Both aren't great attitudes to have, but at least one person isn't pointing the finger, which will divide a locker room even more I believe. Moss doesn't run and cry to the media while blaming others in the process like Owens does if he feels frustrated. Moss will usually leave his antics on the actual field whether it's squirting a water bottle at someone or leaving towards the tunnel before the game is over (Larry Fitzgerald has done this too).

I don't think anyone has a problem with what Owens brings to the table as a receiver. It's the circus he brings along with these skills because he can't keep this mouth shut.

[Ness]

Reports from today's camp:

Alex Smith had an efficient practice as he usually does, completing short pass after short pass. He even ran for a touchdown on a fourth and goal from the five yard line late in practice.

But his last play of the afternoon was not-so-good. It was fourth and ten. If the offense didn’t convert, the game was over and they lost the drill.

Smith dropped back and had great protection, but he immediately threw to his check down receiver – Brett Swain – and he only gained five yards. The offense lost. Smith never looked past his shortest route on the final fourth and ten of the game.

http://49ers.pressdemocrat.com/2012/08/inside-the-49ers/training-camp-report-tuesday-the-not-so-good-lamichael-james-misses-practice/

I really hate it when Smith checks down on a third and forever. I wish he would take more chances like in the Saints and Lions games. Pull the trigger. Especially if it's the last play of the game. Don't immediately throw a checkdown and expect a dude to rumble ten yards to the endzone.

[phlysac]

Come on Alex, don't throw a check down in this situation.


Did we not learn from the Saints game? Take a chance. It's the final play of the contest.

It's 4th and 10 and Brett Swain was on the field? Obviously the coaches didn't think it was important either.

[dan77733]

No it's not the same thing. Both aren't great attitudes to have, but at least one person isn't pointing the finger, which will divide a locker room even more I believe. Moss doesn't run and cry to the media while blaming others in the process like Owens does if he feels frustrated. Moss will usually leave his antics on the actual field whether it's squirting a water bottle at someone or leaving towards the tunnel before the game is over (Larry Fitzgerald has done this too).

I don't think anyone has a problem with what Owens brings to the table as a receiver. It's the circus he brings along with these skills because he can't keep this mouth shut.

Moss still creates problems in the locker room by giving up on the field because he'll cause others to follow him which causes more problems. Either way, its the same crap. Both have skill and talent on the field but both are problems in the locker room. Same crap.

[Ness]

It's 4th and 10 and Brett Swain was on the field? Obviously the coaches didn't think it was important either.
LOL. I don't think that matters. Point is not to not look past your shortest route and check it down on the final play of the game 10 yards from the endzone. It could have been Frank Gore in that spot.

Imagine if Smith did that in the Saints game. :facepalm:

[Ness]

Moss still creates problems in the locker room by giving up on the field because he'll cause others to follow him which causes more problems. Either way, its the same crap. Both have skill and talent on the field but both are problems in the locker room. Same crap.

I'd say one piece of crap smells worse than the other. Notice how Randy was able to find a job a lot quicker than Owens.

[Borat]

Dan reminds me of the battered woman in family court that begs the judge not to punish her man because she loves him. I guess that's cool if that's how you roll Dan.

T.O. bitchslapped us. He's not welcome back.

[dan77733]

I'd say one piece of crap smells worse than the other. Notice how Randy was able to find a job a lot quicker than Owens.

Thats your opinion. I personally dont see any difference. A lot quicker? Five months isnt exactly a lot quicker but whatever.

Dan reminds me of the battered woman in family court that begs the judge not to punish her man because she loves him. I guess that's cool if that's how you roll Dan.

T.O. bitchslapped us. He's not welcome back.

Think whatever you want bud. I dont see it that way and again, dont really care. I care about players who bust their ass and want to win. T.O. is a definition of that. Seriously, look at a guy like Crabtree. Yeah, he's improving but come on, he's a diva who'll hopefully play in his first pre-season game in his career. Work ethic wise, he sucks, plain and simple and while you hate Owens, you can never question his work ethic or on the field play.

And I never said to bring him back. Only last December. Didnt want Moss now either but we'll see what happens.

[Ness]

Thats your opinion. I personally dont see any difference. A lot quicker? Five months isnt exactly a lot quicker but whatever.

Moss retired. When he came back he was able to get a job pretty quickly. Owens on the other hand scheduled his own workout and didn't find a team, and when that didn't work he went to another league. Moss garnered interest from several teams right off the bat including New Orleans and San Francisco. Owens never retired and has been searching for an NFL team for two years.

[dan77733]

Moss retired. When he came back he was able to get a job pretty quickly. Owens on the other hand scheduled his own workout and didn't find a team, and when that didn't work he went to another league. Moss garnered interest from several teams right off the bat including New Orleans and San Francisco. Owens never retired and has been searching for an NFL team for two years.

Moss never retired. He never filed any official documents saying so. He was out of football just like T.O. Only difference is that Moss signed in March and Owens a few days ago. Owens tore his ACL last off-season and no one was going to sign him regardless of his workout or not.

I understand you guys hate Owens. Fine. Hate him. But dont act like he's the worst or that Moss will be what Owens wasnt because Moss himself has a lot to prove and quite honestly, I wouldnt be surprised if in a few months, everyone here is complaining more about Moss than they ever did about Owens.

Saints did Moss' agent a favor by giving him the workout. We only signed him because quite simply, our receivers sucked in the NFCCG which is evident by signing Moss, Manningham, bringing back Ginn and drafting Jenkins.

As sad as it sounds, I have to agree with my friend. How the 49ers do this year will all depend on Moss. If he's the old Moss, then everything should be peachy but if he's the Moss from 2010 who quit on THREE teams in a season including the Patriots which still makes no sense to me, we're screwed and not in a good way.

Quite simply, while everyone here hates Owens, everyone also needs to stop acting like Moss is the anti-Owens when in reality, there's no difference between the two - both are assholes and can screw over your team, plain and simple.

[phlysac]

I understand you guys hate Owens.
Not all of us do.

But dont act like he's the worst or that Moss will be what Owens wasnt
Who is?

I wouldnt be surprised if in a few months, everyone here is complaining more about Moss than they ever did about Owens.
Do you understand the impossibility of that? And besides, many 49ers' fans complain, regardless.


Quite simply, while everyone here hates Owens, everyone also needs to stop acting like Moss is the anti-Owens when in reality, there's no difference between the two - both are assholes and can screw over your team, plain and simple.
Everyone doesn't hate Owens. Who's acting like Moss is the anti-Owens? There are many differences between the two.

My problem is that you openly support one "asshole" ad nauseum, while passive-aggressively condemning a current 49ers player because there's "no difference between them." How does that make sense?

Advocate for a player that hasn't been a 49ers for nearly a decade while criticizing a current 49er? How is that showing support for your favorite team?

[dan77733]

Fair enough.

Dont know who the worst is but it sure as hell isnt Owens.

Fine, maybe not more than Owens but I can definitely see people here complaining about Moss and why we signed him if he repeats 2010.

My favorite receiver is Owens but I do realize that Moss could/should/would have been even better than Rice but he doesnt have the work ethic of Rice (or even Owens for that matter) which is what prevented him from possibly being the best receiver of all time. His skill, talent and ability far surpasses most (if not all) but when you dont use all of that 100% of the time, it simply becomes a waste.

As for signing Moss, I never wanted him but I didnt want Owens either. Only last December after releasing Edwards would I have signed Owens and/or Moss because even as a decoy, both would have done better than what our receivers did combined in the NFCCG.

I'm not bashing Moss. I hope that he can at least copy 2009 and I'll be a very happy camper but at the same time, I wouldnt be surprised if he copies 2010 or worse. Basically, its 50/50 on how it will go. Just have to wait and see.

My main problem is that majority of people here bash Owens all the time and bashed Moss to until we signed him. Then, its like, oh, we never bashed him. It's such bullcrap that it just makes me laugh.

As for Owens, I hope he does as good as he did in Cincy but do I want the Seahawks to win? Hell no.....unless they're in the playoffs and we're not because then, they would become my favorite team especially if they play against the Patriots, Steelers, etc. in the Super Bowl who I hate the most.

Of course, I dont think that the Seahawks will go better than 8-8 unless Flynn and company just go off on defenses so it doesnt really matter. I'll be watching all the 49ers games just like I did last season and I will want them to win every game and be pissed if they dont.

My main concern is that if the team starts out bad and the ball isnt going Randy's way, if he becomes a problem which in itself is my problem. Owens can become a problem but some act as if Moss never has, wont or isnt. Simply, you dont know which Randy is going to show up. I'm sincerely hoping that its the Moss from at least 2009 and I'll be happy even if that means Moss winning a Super Bowl before Owens. Granted, I'll wish that it was Owens and the 49ers winning the Super Bowl instead of Moss and the 49ers but in the end, its still my 49ers so while I would be disappointed to see Moss win a Super Bowl instead of Owens, I would be happy that my 49ers tied the team I hate the most (Steelers) and are still undefeated in the Super Bowl. :)

[Ness]

Moss never retired. He never filed any official documents saying so. He was out of football just like T.O. Only difference is that Moss signed in March and Owens a few days ago. Owens tore his ACL last off-season and no one was going to sign him regardless of his workout or not.

I understand you guys hate Owens. Fine. Hate him. But dont act like he's the worst or that Moss will be what Owens wasnt because Moss himself has a lot to prove and quite honestly, I wouldnt be surprised if in a few months, everyone here is complaining more about Moss than they ever did about Owens.

Saints did Moss' agent a favor by giving him the workout. We only signed him because quite simply, our receivers sucked in the NFCCG which is evident by signing Moss, Manningham, bringing back Ginn and drafting Jenkins.

As sad as it sounds, I have to agree with my friend. How the 49ers do this year will all depend on Moss. If he's the old Moss, then everything should be peachy but if he's the Moss from 2010 who quit on THREE teams in a season including the Patriots which still makes no sense to me, we're screwed and not in a good way.

Quite simply, while everyone here hates Owens, everyone also needs to stop acting like Moss is the anti-Owens when in reality, there's no difference between the two - both are assholes and can screw over your team, plain and simple.
LOL so what. Moss said he retired and wasn't looking for a job for over a year like Owens was. When Moss came back onto the scene he immediately had interest from a few teams. Moss didn't have to hold his own workout or play in another league because he couldn't find a job. Owens did.

And I guess New Orleans was only going to sign Moss because their receivers sucked. :njx:

Also, the 49ers success does not hinge on Moss seeing as we clearly didn't need him last season.

[dan77733]

LOL so what. Moss said he retired and wasn't looking for a job for over a year like Owens was. When Moss came back onto the scene he immediately had interest from a few teams. Moss didn't have to hold his own workout or play in another league because he couldn't find a job. Owens did.

And I guess New Orleans was only going to sign Moss because their receivers sucked. :njx:

Also, the 49ers success does not hinge on Moss seeing as we clearly didn't need him last season.

He wasnt looking for a job because no one was interested in signing him after his horrible 2010 season. Owens had a workout to prove he was still in shape after tearing his ACL. What's wrong with that? And so Owens playing in the IFL is a bad thing? It kept him in shape. I dont see any negative to that.

Saints were never going to sign Moss. They worked him out as a favor to his agent and reported that he looked good. Basically, it was all just for show. Nothing more, nothing less.

We didnt need him until the NFCCG and if we really didnt need him, then why did we sign him now? Oh, thats right...because we needed receivers which is why we signed two of them and drafted one in the first round.

And I think that it does hinge on Moss because if he acts up, its going to affect the rest of the receivers, offense, coaches, etc. So yeah, I think that it does. Dont know about you or anyone else but excluding Davis since he's a TE, the main receiver im counting on for us IS Moss. Not Crabtree, Manningham, Williams, Jenkins or Ginn. Moss doing good or bad will start a domino effect. I just hope that he does good.

[Ness]

Owens never took his tenure with the Wranglers seriously, which is why he was released from the team. Owens has been looking for a job since he was released by Cincinnati. Those child support payments aren't going to take care of themselves. He was cleared to play in October of last season, yet not one team showed up to his workout and not one team invited him for a workout. This wasn't the case with Moss, who got a couple of offers once he decided he wanted to play football again. He was signed a month later.

New Orleans never made an offer to Randy Moss after the workout? Or never thought about it? Especially when Marques Colston was yet to be signed? You sure about that? Right, I'm sure New Orleans deliberately wasted both Moss and the Saints' organization's time if there was absolutely zero possibility that an offer would be made to Moss. Especially with the possibility of Colston and Meachem bouncing.

The 49ers won 13 games without Moss last season. If he decides to start dogging it, he'll be cut. Or he just won't play and the 49ers will roll in the NFC West. This franchise making the playoffs doesn't depend on a wide receiver that wasn't even on the roster last season. Please.

[dan77733]

Owens never took his tenure with the Wranglers seriously, which is why he was released from the team. Owens has been looking for a job since he was released by Cincinnati. Those child support payments aren't going to take care of themselves. He was cleared to play in October of last season, yet not one team showed up to his workout and not one team invited him for a workout. This wasn't the case with Moss, who got a couple of offers once he decided he wanted to play football again. He was signed a month later.

New Orleans never made an offer to Randy Moss after the workout? Or never thought about it? Especially when Marques Colston was yet to be signed? You sure about that? Right, I'm sure New Orleans deliberately wasted both Moss and the Saints' organization's time if there was absolutely zero possibility that an offer would be made to Moss. Especially with the possibility of Colston and Meachem bouncing.

The 49ers won 13 games without Moss last season. If he decides to start dogging it, he'll be cut. Or he just won't play and the 49ers will roll in the NFC West. This franchise making the playoffs doesn't depend on a wide receiver that wasn't even on the roster last season. Please.

He was released because he didnt show up to some charity event or something. They said also because he didnt play road games despite the fact thats the type of contract they signed him to. He wasnt required to play road games and then want to piss and moan about it despite the fact they are to blame, not Owens.

Moss got a couple of offers? He got one offer. Us and he took it because he knew he wasnt going to get a better offer than what Baalke offered him. The Saints workout was nothing more than a show, thats it. People need to stop believing what isnt true just because ESPN reports it as such. Saints never made him an offer and never intended to. The workout for the Saints was the equivent of the public workout Owens had. Same crap. Saints did Moss and his agent a favor, nothing more and nothing less.

Making it to the playoffs and getting to the Super Bowl and winning it are three different things. If Moss acts up, I agree that he'll be released but the question remains what happens to the other receivers? If they side with Moss, you could end up seeing Owens version two. And yeah, I would say that us winning the division and advancing to the Super Bowl and winning it DOES revolve around Moss. This isnt last season when we surprised everyone in a shortened off-season. Teams are very much aware of us and if our passing game is the same as last season, the results will be the same or worse.

And you know this to be true because even you said that this is a passing league and are worried about our offense looking like crap in TC so dont act like if the passing game sucks, we'll easily repeat what we did last season because I dont see that happening. Our passing game needs to become a threat and become big enough of a threat that our running game will go off of our passing game instead of the other way around.

But hey, to each his/her own bud.

[Borat]

Dan, don't you have any pride in your team? Owens shat all over the Niners. And you like him still? It's just baffling to me. Also, the fact that you think other Niner fans are wrong for bashing him. We have every right to criticize him as much as we want. No one is bashing Moss, because, you know, he hasn't taken a giant dump on the organization before. Rest assured, if he were to badmouth the franchise the way your boyfriend did, then we would be bashing the **** out of him.

[dan77733]

Dan, don't you have any pride in your team? Owens shat all over the Niners. And you like him still? It's just baffling to me. Also, the fact that you think other Niner fans are wrong for bashing him. We have every right to criticize him as much as we want. No one is bashing Moss, because, you know, he hasn't taken a giant dump on the organization before. Rest assured, if he were to badmouth the franchise the way your boyfriend did, then we would be bashing the **** out of him.

I do have pride in my team. I wouldnt be paying $200 for NFL Sunday Ticket to watch them play if I didnt. You talk about Owens crapping all over the team. How did he do that? By calling Garcia ***? Big deal. How is that bashing the team? Or just because he was screaming and yelling at that Knapp guy? Which quite honestly, I would be yelling and screaming too.

I never said 49ers fans are wrong for bashing him. I said that its wrong to bash Owens and not Moss because they're basically both the same in regards to destroying the team from within. If you want to hate Owens and bash him, go ahead. I'm not stopping you or saying not to. I just dont like the fact that Owens gets bashed from mouthing off but Moss quitting on THREE teams in ONE season is just shrugged off. That makes no sense to me.

Moss hasnt crapped on any team? Hmmm, then what do you call quitting on your teammates (in a team oriented sport), coaches and even the fans? What do you call that? No big deal? Because quite honestly, I see that as a far bigger problem than Owens mouthing off. Hell, Owens could curse me out and as long as he's helping the team win games, I would say continue because I care more about the team winning than mickey mouse bullcrap.

And im not a huge fan of Moss but he's a 49er and am hoping he does as good as he did in 2009. I think that we'll all be happy if that happens but at the same time, I wouldnt be surprised if it goes the other way around and doesnt make it through the entire season as a 49er.

[Ness]

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[Borat]

Dan, you should re-read my post lol.

[dan77733]

Nah, its okay. I'm good.

[Ness]

Dan, you should re-read my post lol.

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[Madirishman]

Like I said, cue Dan. LOL

The T.O. debate is so not worth our time in general, let alone the T.O. vs Moss debate. Winning and team goals will determine which controversial future HOF WR has the best season. First preseason game vs. Vikes tomorrow!

[hawkeye123]

First preseason game tonight....i'm excited to see how Kaepernick and the rookies perform

[Menardo75]

From Barrows five players to watch tonight.

1. Colin Kaepernick
2. Perish Cox
3. Kyle Williams
4. Alex Boone
5. Demarcus Dobbs - will be seeing time at TE and DE

[Borat]

AJ Jenkins ... DA FUTURE!!!!!

[dan77733]

From Barrows five players to watch tonight.

1. Colin Kaepernick
2. Perish Cox
3. Kyle Williams
4. Alex Boone
5. Demarcus Dobbs - will be seeing time at TE and DE

Looking to see how Williams plays and if he has forgotten about the NFCCG. Hopefully, he has. Other than him, I want to see how Jacobs plays because its a lock that Gore, Hunter and James make the final 53 so Jacobs will have to have a great pre-season to make the final 53.

[Ness]

AJ Jenkins ... DA FUTURE!!!!!

Yes. Hopefully.

[Brent]

EDIT: Apparently dont know how to tell time.

Thought the game started at 7 my time.

[phlysac]

Kind of sad to watch Anthony Dixon actively lose his job.


C'mon man, run like you're capable. Pick up those blocks. You can do it Booby!

[binary]

Tolz is dope, if anything he could be a Ty Detmer type.

[49ersfan_87]

The top WR's were pretty invisible while our backfield really shined. Jenkins and Palmer both had nice catches and bad drops. Tyms and Owusu also flashed, especially Owusu. Tolzien had a solid night and will probably push Johnson off the roster. We're 4-5 deep at RB with Cartwright, 6 if you count Dixon (how many 6th string RB's are better than Dixon?).

Also liked the combo of Demarcus Dobbs and Eric Bakhtiari. Both wreaked havoc the moment they entered on defense.

2nd and 3rd string O and D generally looked good. So did 1st team OL. Pass rush seemed fine too. Redzone D was also stiff. Top concerns for me so far- 1st string D needs to tighten up a bit because Ponder/Gerhart will be one of the worst combos we face this year, Kaep is improved but still only average, and remains to be seen how our WR's will look.

[Brent]

Our running game looked ridiculous. I really hope Jacobs turns out to be a nice short-yardage guy. Also, KENDALL HUNTER! So giddy about the season starting.

[Goon61]

Can anyone comment on how Kilgore played

[phlysac]

Can anyone comment on how Kilgore played

Without rewatching, my only comment is that his name went uncalled, which is typically good of a backup O-Lineman in preseason.

[dan77733]

After reading about Aldon Smith being carted off with a hip injury, am I the only one who thinks they should rest him until the final pre-season game just so he wont be rusty week one?

Thankfully, its nothing serious but I wouldnt take any chances. I would rest him until the final pre-season game.

Our running game is going to be awesome. Cant wait to see the 1-2-3 punch of Gore, Hunter and James. As for Jacobs, I could care less about him. I'll be shocked if he even makes the roster because those previously mentioned RB's will make the team as will Miller and Cartwright so I think that unless Jacobs plays like he did years ago, I doubt that he'll make the team.

WR wise should be fun as its the deepest and talented since Rice and Owens were here. Happy to hear about Jenkins as im hoping he can become our future number one receiver. Baalke/Harbaugh should hire Rice and force him to take Jenkins and Crabtree up that damn hill. :p

[Ness]

Our running game is going to be awesome. Cant wait to see the 1-2-3 punch of Gore, Hunter and James. As for Jacobs, I could care less about him. I'll be shocked if he even makes the roster because those previously mentioned RB's will make the team as will Miller and Cartwright so I think that unless Jacobs plays like he did years ago, I doubt that he'll make the team.


Did you even watch last night's game? Jacobs made a strong case for himself. It's probably going to be Gore, Hunter, and Jacobs as our 1-2-3 punch.

[Justone2]

I think its would be more between Dixon and Cartwright(who had a lot of carries but not really impressing) than that Jacobs is getting cut. Gore as the main option. Jacobs for the short stuff and a combination of Hunter and James for the third and longs and screens. Dixon could be there for special teams, FB and in case Jacobs goes down the short yard stuff while Cartwright only would be there for his special teams contribution. So i could see Cartwright being the one that gets cut since we have a few corners and so who can play special teams.

[Brent]

Did you even watch last night's game? Jacobs made a strong case for himself. It's probably going to be Gore, Hunter, and Jacobs as our 1-2-3 punch.
I am excited to see what they cook up for LaMike on offense. There has got to be at least something they have to get him out in the open. He's too fast to not get on the field.

[Ness]

I am excited to see what they cook up for LaMike on offense. There has got to be at least something they have to get him out in the open. He's too fast to not get on the field.

I'm sure they'll make some specialty plays for him. All in all I'm guessing we keep four runningbacks.

1. Gore
2. Hunter
3. Jacobs
4. James

I guess if they want someone extra for special teams Dixon or Cartwright will get a 5th spot.

[Madirishman]

Some impressions:

The Niners ran a lot early as they want to get Boone in sync with the O-Line, get Iupati and A. Davis more polish and L. Davis some action to get in shape.

They'll add more wrinkles in in the coming games with LaJames and then open it up proper with the pass in the possible shootout that's coming with Green Bay, who just signed Cedric Benson. Harbaugh/Roman were very Vanilla last preseason and even the first month of the season, easing the playcalling/trick plays in.

Alex looked to have that same desire/awareness to get the first, move the ball, score and win. You can tell he's picking up where he left last year with his confidence being high, hopefully getting even better in the offseason.

Kap is a gazelle and is still raw but has a laser arm. He'll keep improving his touch and I believe has a bright future. By year 3 or 4, he'll be ready to be a starting QB in the NFL, but he's still needing to become more consistent.

Tolz could likely go and compete for the starting job on a couple teams, such as the Seahawks. Dude gets it. He's turned a corner as a NFL QB.

Jacobs has a legit shot to make the team and I think they will carry 4 RBs with Cartwright being the technical 5th but playing 98% of the time solcey as the special teams ace. Dixon is gone barring a bad injury of another back. Hunter will get more runs and James will be used more in screens and passing plays.

Bruce Miller's blocking has continued to improve, opening up holes and hitting guys in the second level. What a scouting find/conversion.

AJ Jenkins will be just fine. He'll get his feet wet this year as not much will be expected of him and will hopefully develop into a #2/#3 WR for next year.

Dobbs is a legit two-way player and the Niners have plans for him. He wouldn't have already changed his number to #40 is they thought he was going to be waiver wire fodder. The other TE's, including Byham, will have an uphill battle to make the 53, and Nate will likely end up on the P-Squad. Carrying two technical TE's (with having Dobbs as Delanie's backup) and keeping less safeties will allow the Niners to keep 6 WRs (including Williams) and 5 RBs (including Cartwright).

Eric Bakhtiari is making a solid case for the 53 playing fast and making plays.

VERY pumped for the season and just praying that there are no bad injuries to key players in preseason (at least).

[Ness]

Anyone notice that AJ Jenkins looked kind of small out there? I thought his build was a little bit stockier. Maybe it's just me.

[dan77733]

Did you even watch last night's game? Jacobs made a strong case for himself. It's probably going to be Gore, Hunter, and Jacobs as our 1-2-3 punch.

No but I did see highlights of Jacobs and yeah, he looked good but no way in hell would I start him ahead of James. Screw that. James and Hunter are our future at RB. Not Jacobs. I rather see James play instead of Jacobs.

[Ness]

No but I did see highlights of Jacobs and yeah, he looked good but no way in hell would I start him ahead of James. Screw that. James and Hunter are our future at RB. Not Jacobs. I rather see James play instead of Jacobs.

Jacobs will be needed in short yardage situations, which he was excellent at last night. That won't show up on media outlet highlights. Don't be surprised if he gets more touches than James.

[Madirishman]

With the Niners crappy third down conversion rate last year and having to settle for so many FGs, Jacobs is a solid option to come in and get the tough yard or two, helping to move the pile for the first down. If he can help the team in that ONE way, he's more than worth the roster spot and money. I'm not a huge Jacobs fan but I think he can serve that role, pick up a couple goalline TDs and be a productive role player on a winning team.

[Madirishman]

Hunter was very solid in pass pro last night. Great leverage. That means he should get more snaps and they don't need Gore in on every play he's not getting the touches.

[dan77733]

Jacobs may look good now but whether it lasts, remains to be seen.

[YAYareaRB]

I'm glad Chris Owusu got some touches.

[Ness]

Jacobs may look good now but whether it lasts, remains to be seen.

"I'll get you next time Gadget!!!" :njx: