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Xiomera
04-17-2009, 10:23 PM
Vote for the player you want the Lions to take at #1.

SINCE1978
04-17-2009, 10:48 PM
I know it's a long shot and most have handed #1 overall to Stafford, but I think Eugene Monroe should be our pick. We blew offering #33 & #82 (my proposal) for Jason Peters ... a 2x pro bowler which would have allowed us to draft Stafford easier #1 overall and defense with #20 & #65 ... but shoring up the lines should be our objective. The mantra of running the football effectively (Monroe LT, Backus G, Coffman TE) and stopping the run on defense (Maualuga MLB, Hood DT) has been relevant in football the past 50 years and we need to commit to doing that to win some games in 2009.

Brodeur
04-17-2009, 10:54 PM
If Stafford isn't the pick I will ******* lose it.

Aard
04-17-2009, 11:24 PM
I know it's a long shot and most have handed #1 overall to Stafford, but I think Eugene Monroe should be our pick. We blew offering #33 & #82 (my proposal) for Jason Peters ... a 2x pro bowler which would have allowed us to draft Stafford easier #1 overall and defense with #20 & #65 ... but shoring up the lines should be our objective. The mantra of running the football effectively (Monroe LT, Backus G, Coffman TE) and stopping the run on defense (Maualuga MLB, Hood DT) has been relevant in football the past 50 years and we need to commit to doing that to win some games in 2009.

Voted Monroe. Great feet. And the pick would throw the draft's conventional wisdom for a loop.

WMD
04-18-2009, 12:54 AM
1. Matt Stafford
2. Eugene Monroe
3. Mark Sanchez
4. Aaron Curry
5. Jason Smith

I pray our sanity that the pick is Stafford.

banetzdererste
04-18-2009, 02:52 AM
Come on Lions get your Franchise QB and Pick Stafford!

Smart Pick next week :D

Strongside
04-18-2009, 02:54 AM
Has there been any word on early contract negotiations?

WMD
04-18-2009, 03:12 AM
Has there been any word on early contract negotiations?
A few weeks ago, it was said that the Lions were in preliminary contract talks with some prospects.. and Stafford a couple days ago said his agent hasn't talked to the Lions.

I assume it's all smoke and mirrors..

Addict
04-18-2009, 06:25 AM
If Stafford isn't the pick I will ******* lose it.

word for word.

Prowler
04-18-2009, 10:18 AM
i want stafford but culpepper has lost 35lbs and is supposedly on fire right now. i wouldn't be upset with monroe or jason smith.

culpepper weighed 290lbs last year....
http://www.freep.com/article/20090418/SPORTS01/904180338/Has+slimmer+QB+Culpepper+found+fountain+of+youth

another article
http://www.freep.com/article/20090417/SPORTS01/904170346

P-L
04-18-2009, 10:21 AM
Sorry for the long post, but...

1. Stafford










































































































2. Eugene Monroe













































3. Mark Sanchez
4. Jason Smith















































































































































































































































5. Aaron Curry

Addict
04-18-2009, 11:07 AM
i want stafford but culpepper has lost 35lbs and is supposedly on fire right now. i wouldn't be upset with monroe or jason smith.

culpepper weighed 290lbs last year....
http://www.freep.com/article/20090418/SPORTS01/904180338/Has+slimmer+QB+Culpepper+found+fountain+of+youth

another article
http://www.freep.com/article/20090417/SPORTS01/904170346

Yeah, Culpepper totally sounds like a long-term solution because he managed to shed a few pounds, so that instead of weighing in like a UT, he now weighs more in the range of a bigboned linebacker!

Prowler
04-18-2009, 11:56 AM
well he's back to his rookie playing weight and focused. he can throw the ball as good as anybody, but his weight loss really shows just how hard he is working and focusing on this season. for some reason i have a certain tim tebow quote in the back of my head right now.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
04-18-2009, 01:38 PM
Well since Mike Williams isn't an option, HOFer per Kiper, I'll take Stafford.

familyguy555
04-18-2009, 02:50 PM
Culpepper will be a good mentor for Stafford then. Daunte can start the year and we'll see how he does, then maybe have Stafford play the easier 2nd half schedule.

WMD
04-18-2009, 04:36 PM
I had a scare this morning.. I woke up and turned it to the NFL Network, hoping to see that Stafford signed.. and one of the programs started off:

"It's official, Offensive Tackle Jason...

http://blogs.psychologytoday.com/files/u221/gun-to-head.jpg

... Peters has been traded to the Eagles"

http://www.silvamethodclass.com/Man_Jump_for_Joy.jpg

Not a very good way to start off the day though.

etk
04-18-2009, 05:14 PM
Seems like there's a consensus here....groupthink FTW!

Also, Culpepper once lit up the league as a big-boned LB playing for Minnesota.

WMD
04-18-2009, 05:59 PM
We tried to trade for Matt Cassel and Jay Cutler.. as far as I know, we didn't put anything on the table for Jason Peters. This tells me either:

1- They don't have a ton of faith in Culpepper and are trying to find a replacement for him, making QB the top priority.. while feeling like they can work with Backus for another season at least..

or

2- They're dead set on Jason Smith/Eugene Monroe at #1 and if they could acquire a QB, without breaking the bank, they would've done it.. But apparently they have no interest in anyone other than Smith/Monroe.

Just trying to cover all bases..

Scotty D
04-18-2009, 07:09 PM
We tried to trade for Matt Cassel and Jay Cutler.. as far as I know, we didn't put anything on the table for Jason Peters. This tells me either:

1- They don't have a ton of faith in Culpepper and are trying to find a replacement for him, making QB the top priority.. while feeling like they can work with Backus for another season at least..

or

2- They're dead set on Jason Smith/Eugene Monroe at #1 and if they could acquire a QB, without breaking the bank, they would've done it.. But apparently they have no interest in anyone other than Smith/Monroe.

Just trying to cover all bases..

All this mini-camp talk about Culpepper going back to form should not deter anyone from Stafford. Ok say we draft Stafford and Culpepper goes back to his Minneosta days, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. We just got a huge investment for signing Culpepper last year. Franchise him and then keep him or trade away. Even if he plays well again he isn't young or not a health risk.

Xiomera
04-18-2009, 08:41 PM
The best thing for us would be Culpepper being awesome this year. But we still need Stafford.

The Lions haven't had one good QB in decades. Imagine having TWO!

WMD
04-18-2009, 09:12 PM
The best thing for us would be Culpepper being awesome this year. But we still need Stafford.

The Lions haven't had one good QB in decades. Imagine having TWO!
Imagining that just made me go through puberty for a third time.

Xiomera
04-18-2009, 09:46 PM
Imagining that just made me go through puberty for a third time.

Was the second time a result of Calvin Johnson or Millen's firing?

Brodeur
04-18-2009, 09:51 PM
Was the second time a result of Calvin Johnson or Millen's firing?

I would hope it's for the Pistons upset of the Lakers but who knows with WMD.

Brothgar
04-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Am I the only one who still wants BJ Raji? Don't get me wrong I like Stafford and all but I kinda fell in love with the guy. The marijuana thing was false and I think he is going to be a special player.

Xiomera
04-18-2009, 10:01 PM
Am I the only one who still wants BJ Raji? Don't get me wrong I like Stafford and all but I kinda fell in love with the guy. The marijuana thing was false and I think he is going to be a special player.

Raji at 1?

Ludicrous!

Brodeur
04-18-2009, 10:01 PM
Am I the only one who still wants BJ Raji? Don't get me wrong I like Stafford and all but I kinda fell in love with the guy. The marijuana thing was false and I think he is going to be a special player.

I sure as hell hope you're the only one.

5 Fingers of Death
04-18-2009, 10:56 PM
My rankings for #1:
1. Stafford
2. Stafford
3. Stafford
4. Stafford
5. Stafford

To be serious, it's great Culpepper came into camp in shape. I hope he would be a good transition for the franchise QB.

WMD
04-18-2009, 11:26 PM
We're "unveiling" the new Logo/Jerseys on Monday.. wonder if we'll also announce the signing of Stafford?

Calvin & Kevin
04-18-2009, 11:31 PM
We're "unveiling" the new Logo/Jerseys on Monday.. wonder if we'll also announce the signing of Stafford?

I doubt it... I don't think teams are even allowed to do that. Sure it's been "announced" in the past as far as news, like ESPN reporting that a team has reached an agreement with a player, but I don't recall a team having a press conference or anything like that before the draft. It would take away from the draft as an event and I don't think the NFL would go for that.

Also the fact of Curry's agents in town yesterday suggests that at the very least a deal with Stafford still needs to get the i's dotted and the t's crossed. At most, the Lions and Condon might not be seeing eye to eye at all.

Xiomera
04-18-2009, 11:38 PM
We're "unveiling" the new Logo/Jerseys on Monday.. wonder if we'll also announce the signing of Stafford?

They're doing it at a Dunham's. I doubt it, haha.

Brodeur
04-18-2009, 11:43 PM
They're doing it at a Dunham's. I doubt it, haha.

I hope they don't disrupt the 5 people who shop at Dunham's in the state.

Brothgar
04-19-2009, 12:13 AM
We're "unveiling" the new Logo/Jerseys on Monday.. wonder if we'll also announce the signing of Stafford?

It would be awesome if they did like they show the new Uni as the number 7. Is anyone else going to be disappointed if the logo and unis are the same that were leaked on the net like 2 weeks ago. I mean after they were all "That isn't the new Logo at all..." and whatnot

WMD
04-19-2009, 12:18 AM
I hope it's the same logo. I like it quite a bit. I'd be open to different looking jerseys though.. but I don't have a problem with the ones that leaked.

Castle
04-19-2009, 12:21 AM
I doubt it... I don't think teams are even allowed to do that. Sure it's been "announced" in the past as far as news, like ESPN reporting that a team has reached an agreement with a player, but I don't recall a team having a press conference or anything like that before the draft. It would take away from the draft as an event and I don't think the NFL would go for that.

Also the fact of Curry's agents in town yesterday suggests that at the very least a deal with Stafford still needs to get the i's dotted and the t's crossed. At most, the Lions and Condon might not be seeing eye to eye at all.

Didn't the Bengals have a press conference to introduce Carson Palmer a couple of days prior to the draft?

Brothgar
04-19-2009, 12:26 AM
Didn't the Bengals have a press conference to introduce Carson Palmer a couple of days prior to the draft?

Yeah and Mario Williams was announced like 3 days before the draft as well.

Prowler
04-19-2009, 01:21 AM
i would love to have raji on the team if we did the steel balls/crazy balls maneuver of letting the clock run out and picking 3rd or 4th. i don't like the idea of that though, but i have had those thoughts.

Addict
04-19-2009, 06:12 AM
I hope it's the same logo. I like it quite a bit. I'd be open to different looking jerseys though.. but I don't have a problem with the ones that leaked.

I'm just upset about the black alternates dissappearing!

mgoblue
04-19-2009, 08:15 AM
1. Smith
2. Monroe
3. Curry
4. Stafford
5. Sanchez

SINCE1978
04-19-2009, 08:17 AM
Terry Foster joked on air last week about the unveiling of the jersey's Monday saying he wondered if Stafford would be their at Dunham's to model them?

Addict
04-19-2009, 09:41 AM
Terry Foster joked on air last week about the unveiling of the jersey's Monday saying he wondered if Stafford would be their at Dunham's to model them?

that'd be some introduction.

singe_101
04-21-2009, 08:02 PM
Crabtree, please.

WMD
04-21-2009, 08:14 PM
Crabtree, please.
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singe_101
04-21-2009, 08:33 PM
Ok but seriously I think they should take Stafford, and then defense, then pray for another disgruntled OT somewhere. Try to follow the Bengals in '03 though Stafford might not sit entirely. The Bengals had awful defenses both years so they can manage that. Maybe Kitna could start the season both years. OTOH the Bengals had two good offensive tackles already.

I just think it's weird that they haven't had the #1 pick before, even without a lottery.

Xiomera
04-21-2009, 08:39 PM
Crabtree, please.


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Calvin & Kevin
04-21-2009, 09:21 PM
Looks like it's down to Stafford, Curry or trade down.

I would prefer trade down 60%, Stafford 38%, Curry 2%.

If they use the pick which they almost certainly will be forced to, then I'm about 90% for Stafford. Curry would be an interesting pick but boy he'd have to be the second coming of Ray Lewis to justify being the #1.

Xiomera
04-21-2009, 09:34 PM
Obviously trade down is the preferred option for most of us.

My hope is that we trade down from 20 if Mau is gone. I'd love to recoup a 4th or 5th rounder. I don't like the prospect of having to wait nearly 100 picks after our selection at 82.

5 Fingers of Death
04-21-2009, 09:47 PM
Am I the only one who still wants BJ Raji? Don't get me wrong I like Stafford and all but I kinda fell in love with the guy. The marijuana thing was false and I think he is going to be a special player.

If we draft Evander Hood, you'll forget about B.J. Raji. Hood is a really great person beside being a very promising defensive tackle talent.

WMD
04-21-2009, 10:38 PM
My hope is that we trade down from 20 if Mau is gone. I'd love to recoup a 4th or 5th rounder. I don't like the prospect of having to wait nearly 100 picks after our selection at 82.
Yeah. Trade #20 for a Mid 2nd, 4th Rounder, and 2010 First :)

Xiomera
04-21-2009, 10:44 PM
Yeah. Trade #20 for a Mid 2nd, 4th Rounder, and 2010 First :)

I'd be happy sliding down like 5 spots to get a 4th, but sure.

I'm zeroing in on wanting Ziggy Hood.

Brothgar
04-21-2009, 11:40 PM
If we draft Evander Hood, you'll forget about B.J. Raji. Hood is a really great person beside being a very promising defensive tackle talent.

I doubt that generally when I get these feelings they tend to be right. (The same feeling I had about Chris Johnson (RB ECU), Elvis Dummervil and Gaines Adams. (Gaines being only kind of a hit) I like Ziggy he is no contest my 2nd choice at DT. But Hood is not going to be anywhere as good as Raji.

Brothgar
04-22-2009, 12:19 AM
Here's the arguements I hear out of the 3 top candidates (I'm adding my Raji arguements as well)

Matt Stafford

Arguements FOR:
1. Stafford is likely going to be the best QB as far as potential in not only this years draft but also in a 1 year radius of this draft so he is better than anyone you will get in this years next years or even last years draft.

2. HUGE Rocket arm.

3. Quick release.

4. He's from a pro style offense

5. Great on the chalk board.

6. If you don't take the QB WHEN will you? I already said he's better than anyone coming out next year. Pep looks good but he's no spring chicken. Are we going to bank on another Drew Breese to come out or a Jay Cutler trade?

CONS:
1. He's inconsistent he runs hot and cold who knows what Matt Stafford you will see in any given quarter.

2. He's a junior QB they have that stigma of a higher than average bust rate.

3. I don't have that feeling about Stafford. (Yes I've actually heard people say this)

4. Stafford is going to be too expensive to risk the 50/50 chance that he succeeds.

Aaron Curry

PROS:
1. Safest pick in the draft.

2. Can play any of the LB spots.

3. Best player in the draft.

4. Lions had the worst Defense in the NFL.

5. Willing to sign for less than what Jake Long signed for.

CONS:
1. He'll be forced to shift to the inside. Might be a waste of his talents.

2. We just traded for Julian Peterson and what are we going to do with Ernie Sims?

3. LBs don't win football games.

4. LBers just don't go #1 overall

Jason Smith

PROS:
Really I havn't heard many things about why we should draft Smith as much as why we shouldn't draft Stafford/Curry IE why draft a QB if we can't protect him ect.

1. "Best OT in this class"


CONS
1. Can Bakus kick inside to OG?

2. OTs come out every year. You can name a year I can name a top OT that came from that year. This is from like the past 4-5 years.

BJ Raji

PROS:
1. He's a 330 lb NT who can collapse the pocket those types don't come around every year.

2. Basically Dorsey with 20 extra pounds.

3. Also stout against the run.

4. DT is right now THE worst position on this team and it isn't even close. Pep at QB >>>>> Grady Jackson and ___ insert undersized DT here.

5. Raji takes up 2 blockers which will let Sims, Petterson, and MLB X have more free reign.


CONS

1. DTs generally do not make immediate impact

2. He has character concerns.

3. Value isn't there at #1 overall

4. I WANT (insert current mancrush Curry/Stafford here).

Scotty D
04-22-2009, 12:36 AM
Broth I love that you still talk up Raji. Now that news has come out that his drug test was not positive he is back in the top ten.

God, if he was somehow the pick I'd give major props to Martin Mayhew. I'd just smile while everyone was going WTFWHOAOMGBBQ.

Schwartz saw what Haynesworth did for his defense in Tennessee and we just traded away Cory Redding for Julian Peterson. You don't think he has a plan for UT? I sure as hell hope so because the DTs on this roster are garbageeeeee.

Seriously
Raji
#20 Rey Rey
#33 WHATEVER

You plug Raji and Rey Rey into the two biggest holes on our defense and you have something.

I still think Mayhew goes Stafford, but if I were running things I think my draft would start with Raji.

WMD
04-22-2009, 12:55 AM
I doubt that generally when I get these feelings they tend to be right. (The same feeling I had about Chris Johnson (RB ECU), Elvis Dummervil and Gaines Adams. (Gaines being only kind of a hit) I like Ziggy he is no contest my 2nd choice at DT. But Hood is not going to be anywhere as good as Raji.
I've been on and off with my 1st Round 'feelings' on prospects..

2003 - Byron Leftwich (the guy pretty much got me into NFL/The Draft)
2004 - Sean Taylor, Ben Roethlisberger, Kellen Winslow
2005 - Ronnie Brown, Derrick Johnson, Erasmus James
2006 - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Michael Huff
2007 - Calvin Johnson, Patrick Willis
2008 - Glenn Dorsey, Keith Rivers
2009 - Matt Stafford, Eugene Monroe, Rey Maualuga

WMD
04-22-2009, 01:01 AM
Broth I love that you still talk up Raji. Now that news has come out that his drug test was not positive he is back in the top ten.

God, if he was somehow the pick I'd give major props to Martin Mayhew. I'd just smile while everyone was going WTFWHOAOMGBBQ.

Schwartz saw what Haynesworth did for his defense in Tennessee and we just traded away Cory Redding for Julian Peterson. You don't think he has a plan for UT? I sure as hell hope so because the DTs on this roster are garbageeeeee.

Seriously
Raji
#20 Rey Rey
#33 WHATEVER

You plug Raji and Rey Rey into the two biggest holes on our defense and you have something.

I still think Mayhew goes Stafford, but if I were running things I think my draft would start with Raji.
You must be smoking the stuff that Raji didn't test positive for.. probably laced with some angel dust.

MightyJD
04-22-2009, 07:28 AM
Draft Stafford & go defense the rest of the way! Get a decent tackle or guard through free-agency.

1. Stafford
20. MLB (Malegua or Laurenitis)
33. DT
. Defense
. Defense
. Defense

georgiafan
04-22-2009, 07:31 AM
So did anyone else see Tim Hasselbeck yesterday (i forget which show it was). He was talking about how he thinks the lions should take Jason Smith. One of his reasons was because "the lions dont have to draft a QB this year". C'mon really How can anyone that's a expert say something so stupid ?

Maybe Next Year Millen2
04-22-2009, 08:28 AM
So did anyone else see Tim Hasselbeck yesterday (i forget which show it was). He was talking about how he thinks the lions should take Jason Smith. One of his reasons was because "the lions dont have to draft a QB this year". C'mon really How can anyone that's a expert say something so stupid ?

Hasselbeck isn't an expert. He's a former player 3rd string QB. Maybe he wants to be the Lions QB lol. He'd have a chance if we didn't draft Stafford.

Lions can't afford to wait, everyone with a brain can see this. If there was a super stud DE/DT then its a tougher choice since our defense was so bad, but there isn't. Any other defensive position shouldn't be taken number 1 overall, Stafford is worthy of being picked that high, so he should be the choice.

Whitebull
04-22-2009, 09:44 AM
Draft Stafford & go defense the rest of the way! Get a decent tackle or guard through free-agency.

1. Stafford
20. MLB (Malegua or Laurenitis)
33. DT
. Defense
. Defense
. Defense

Free agency is basically over.

If the draft went like you said, I'd like to see us get an offensive lineman in the 6th at least. You can draft those guys late and develop them, it's a slow process and you gotta do it basically every year, throw a low round OL on the roster and let him simmer.

DoWnThEfiElD
04-22-2009, 11:20 AM
At this point I'm fine with drafting a QB with our first pick every year until we find a guy.

If a guy is gonna make it in this league taking a few sack isn't going to ruin him.

If he's got it he's got it and his talents, and football IQ will show.

Xiomera
04-22-2009, 12:18 PM
We need to go BPA at pretty much every pick.

Forget filling needs. Nearly every position could be improved.

Addict
04-22-2009, 12:53 PM
We need to go BPA at pretty much every pick.

Forget filling needs. Nearly every position could be improved.

except #1 I guess, BPA there would mean Curry.

TheDoctor8
04-22-2009, 12:54 PM
So did anyone else see Tim Hasselbeck yesterday (i forget which show it was). He was talking about how he thinks the lions should take Jason Smith. One of his reasons was because "the lions dont have to draft a QB this year". C'mon really How can anyone that's a expert say something so stupid ?

Exactly my point!!! Left tackles can be thrown in during their first year and be successful. So the QB needs to be drafted this year so he can sit, then take the LT next year and start him right away. I wouldn't even waste the 20 on a tackle this year.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
04-22-2009, 01:18 PM
Exactly my point!!! Left tackles can be thrown in during their first year and be successful. So the QB needs to be drafted this year so he can sit, then take the LT next year and start him right away. I wouldn't even waste the 20 on a tackle this year.

Agreed, no pick at 20 will be better than Jeff Backus. However, if Oher fell, they might take him and play him at LG and then be LT for the future in 1 or 2 years. I think if we take Smith or Monroe, they might play left guard in 2009 and then move to LT in 2010, seriously. There would be an outcry from the fans, but Backus at LG wouldn't work againt DTs, but against DEs it works for him when the QB isn't an idiot. So many poor QB pocket presence and coverage sacks and little hurries given up by Backus. 2 years left from the guy IMO. He's a 1st round tackle with 100 starts for a reason. Schwartz said he liked him for a reason earlier this offseason.