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coordinator0
04-19-2009, 04:53 PM
Many of us on the Ravens forum are holding a debate on whether to trade for Anquan Boldin, and one person says that he's a HoF. Now I don't agree with this necessarily, but what do you guys think?

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
04-19-2009, 04:57 PM
I was just going to make this thread. Everyone the one person is APS.

Crazy_Chris
04-19-2009, 04:57 PM
Great WR, not even close to being a HOF player so far IMO.

JRTPlaya21
04-19-2009, 04:59 PM
No. What has he played like five years? Future HoF is a possibility.

Splat
04-19-2009, 05:09 PM
Slow down...

GB12
04-19-2009, 05:09 PM
If people are calling Adrian Peterson a hall of famer already I think you could say the same about Boldin.

Highagain
04-19-2009, 05:17 PM
At this point, not even close. He's just a compiler right now.

Beans
04-19-2009, 05:19 PM
hahahahaha

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 05:19 PM
He's got 40 receiving TDs already in his career and 6500 yards.

I don't see how people are claiming "not even close"

He's on pace, but will his body hold up to all that punishment with the way he plays?

Highagain
04-19-2009, 05:21 PM
He's got 40 receiving TDs already in his career and 6500 yards.

I don't see how people are claiming "not even close"

He's on pace, but will his body hold up to all that punishment with the way he plays?

Has he ever been a top 3 or even a top 5 receiver in the league?

Splat
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
He's got 40 receiving TDs already in his career and 6500 yards.

I don't see how people are claiming "not even close"

He's on pace, but will his body hold up to all that punishment with the way he plays?

The guy is a beast I think we all see that but to sit here and say he is a HOF right now is a joke.

coordinator0
04-19-2009, 05:22 PM
He's got 40 receiving TDs already in his career and 6500 yards.

I don't see how people are claiming "not even close"

He's on pace, but will his body hold up to all that punishment with the way he plays?

That's my concern. i think he might be able to get there, but his ability to stay healthy will play a role in that.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 05:25 PM
Has he ever been a top 3 or even a top 5 receiver in the league?

Yes. Just because he didn't get a ton of attention for it doesn't mean he wasn't.

Highagain
04-19-2009, 05:27 PM
Yes. Just because he didn't get a ton of attention for it doesn't mean he wasn't.

What season?

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 05:29 PM
What season?

How about 2005 when he had averaged 100 yards a game?

Gay Ork Wang
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
APS is saying that cause he wants to look good for trading for him in the forum mock

cdub11
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
At this point in time the answer is no.

Highagain
04-19-2009, 05:34 PM
How about 2005 when he had averaged 100 yards a game?

So he's had one season where he might be a top 5 receiver?

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 05:37 PM
So he's had one season where he might be a top 5 receiver?

Everyone is going to have a different opinion on who the top 5 receivers in football are. He's put up some remarkable numbers catching passes from losers for the most part.

One could argue pretty easily he's been a top 5 WR for a long time. Maybe his entire career. I mean, look at his rookie season..

Smokey Joe
04-19-2009, 05:40 PM
If he can stay healthy and his body can hold up while putting up numbers similar to what he has so far, hell yes.

holt_bruce81
04-19-2009, 05:41 PM
Way to early.

cdf_2108
04-19-2009, 05:42 PM
He set the record for receptions in a rookie year, i think he had more yards than Moss had in an equally awesome rookie year (moss had more TD though, but his offense was way better).

Fastest player to 300 receptions or something (or tied)

I think if he goes to another team and stays their #1 for 5-6 years, he's definitely a HOF candidate.

He's got a better shot than Chad Johnson IMO and we all know how Chad Johnson feels about his HOF credentials.

Highagain
04-19-2009, 05:46 PM
Everyone is going to have a different opinion on who the top 5 receivers in football are. He's put up some remarkable numbers catching passes from losers for the most part.

One could argue pretty easily he's been a top 5 WR for a long time. Maybe his entire career. I mean, look at his rookie season..

Easily been a top 5 WR for a long time? I would like to hear that argument.

Is Joey Galloway a HOFer? Chad Johnson? Donald Driver? Reggie Wayne? Derrick Mason?

TitleTown088
04-19-2009, 05:48 PM
Boldin isn't even worthy of a thread asking if he's HOF worthy thus far.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 05:49 PM
Easily been a top 5 WR for a long time? I would like to hear that argument.

Is Joey Galloway a HOFer? Chad Johnson? Donald Driver? Reggie Wayne? Derrick Mason?

Boldin is better than all those guys you just listed.

Dam8610
04-19-2009, 05:50 PM
He's on pace to be a Hall of Famer, but will his body hold up? If it does, then yes, if not, then he probably won't have enough of a resume to make it.

coordinator0
04-19-2009, 05:50 PM
Boldin isn't even worthy of a thread asking if he's HOF worthy thus far.

Sorry, I'm trying to settle a dispute lol. I don't think he is.

Splat
04-19-2009, 05:51 PM
He set the record for receptions in a rookie year, i think he had more yards than Moss had in an equally awesome rookie year (moss had more TD though, but his offense was way better).

Fastest player to 300 receptions or something (or tied)

I think if he goes to another team and stays their #1 for 5-6 years, he's definitely a HOF candidate.

He's got a better shot than Chad Johnson IMO and we all know how Chad Johnson feels about his HOF credentials.

That is as well in good but the question was not is he on pace to be a HOF the question was is he a HOF today and no he is not.

SimonRath
04-19-2009, 05:53 PM
Boldin is better than all those guys you just listed.

i agree on that

Highagain
04-19-2009, 05:53 PM
Boldin is better than all those guys you just listed.

Statistically it is difficult to argue Boldin over Wayne or Johnson at this point.

Paranoidmoonduck
04-19-2009, 05:53 PM
If he lands into a situation where he gets to step out of Fitzgerald's shadow and can keep his production up, then he's got a great shot. For a guy like Boldin, long term consistency is going to be his path to the Hall.

BaLLiN
04-19-2009, 05:54 PM
if he leaves Arizona i dont think he'll see the same kindof numbers, so im going to say no.

TitleTown088
04-19-2009, 05:55 PM
Sorry, I'm trying to settle a dispute lol. I don't think he is.

Oh, no worries. I wasn't ripping on you for making the thread, just my opinion on him.

SimonRath
04-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Statistically it is difficult to argue Boldin over Wayne or Johnson at this point.

yeah sure Wayne has good/great numbers, but look at his QB?
an Johnson had Carson for all those years.

Boldin didnt have a good QB till last season

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 05:58 PM
Statistically it is difficult to argue Boldin over Wayne or Johnson at this point.

Stats doesn't make them better.

Wayne catches passes from Peyton Manning while Boldin has caught passes from losers for most of his career.

Johnson has played a few more seasons and his play has dropped recently. He needs a huge rebound year next year. Not to mention he caught a lot of those passes from Carson.

Highagain
04-19-2009, 05:59 PM
It didn't seem to effect either Fitzgerald or Boldin so that QB argument is garbage in my opinion. Calvin Johnson put up big numbers with who at quarterback?

Boldin has also played on a terrible team (until last season) his entire career. Wayne has a ring and a lot of wins. Johnson has been much more consistent than Boldin from a statistical perspective.

Shahin
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
if he keeps up his production, absolutely. he'll easily make it into the HoF.

you can't say he's a HoFamer right now though, no way.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
It didn't seem to effect either Fitzgerald or Boldin so that QB argument is garbage in my opinion. Calvin Johnson put up big numbers with who at quarterback?

Calvin Johnson is God and an incredible football player. Just like Boldin.

When Larry came into the league he had a bonified #1 receiver on the other side. That's the difference.

SimonRath
04-19-2009, 06:01 PM
It didn't seem to effect either Fitzgerald or Boldin so that QB argument is garbage in my opinion. Calvin Johnson put up big numbers with who at quarterback?

haha you jus proved our point
Fitz, Boldin an Calvin put up great numbers with a bad QB, which means theres better then Chad an Wayne

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-19-2009, 06:02 PM
haha you jus proved our point
Fitz, Boldin an Calvin put up great numbers with a bad QB, which means theres better then Chad an Wayne

http://stuff.pyzam.com/funnypics/animals/boxer-lol.jpg

SimonRath
04-19-2009, 06:04 PM
Boldin has also played on a terrible team (until last season) his entire career. Wayne has a ring and a lot of wins. Johnson has been much more consistent than Boldin from a statistical perspective.

i dont buy that whole "oh wayne has a ring" deal. if Boldin was on the Colts then he'd have a ring too
jus cuz Boldin has been on bad teams doesnt make him less of a great football player

Highagain
04-19-2009, 06:05 PM
haha you jus proved our point
Fitz, Boldin an Calvin put up great numbers with a bad QB, which means theres better then Chad an Wayne

I guess Marvin Harrison is garbage too, he was just putting up big numbers because of Manning.

Highagain
04-19-2009, 06:05 PM
i dont buy that whole "oh wayne has a ring" deal. if Boldin was on the Colts then he'd have a ring too
jus cuz Boldin has been on bad teams doesnt make him less of a great football player

So who's to say Wayne wouldn't have put up bigger numbers than Boldin in Arizona? It's purely speculation.

SimonRath
04-19-2009, 06:06 PM
I guess Marvin Harrison is garbage too, he was just putting up big numbers because of Manning.

pretty much :)

but i dont recall calling Wayne garbage..

keylime_5
04-19-2009, 06:07 PM
It's gonna be hard to get in the HOF as a wideout with how offenses work these days. The standard for statistics isn't the same as it was for guys before the '90s because the passing game has been inflated, mainly by new rules. If Cris Carter is a 3rd ballot HOF, then guys who are considered the 8th or 9th best WR of their generation won't get past the preliminary ballot. Boldin can be a HOF though if he does what he's been doing for a really long time and becomes one of the top WRs of his era.

SimonRath
04-19-2009, 06:07 PM
So who's to say Wayne wouldn't have put up bigger numbers than Boldin in Arizona? It's purely speculation.

cause Wayne aint as good as Boldin an Fitz. duh :)

Highagain
04-19-2009, 06:07 PM
pretty much :)

but i dont recall calling Wayne garbage..

You get the point...

Arguing about players' situations is pointless when it comes to HOF arguments. It's not what you could if you were in X situation, it's what you did do.

SimonRath
04-19-2009, 06:10 PM
You get the point...

Arguing about players' situations is pointless when it comes to HOF arguments. It's not what you could if you were in X situation, it's what you did do.

since when did i say Boldin is a HOF now?
i was jus saying hes better then Wayne an Chad

Highagain
04-19-2009, 06:19 PM
It's gonna be hard to get in the HOF as a wideout with how offenses work these days. The standard for statistics isn't the same as it was for guys before the '90s because the passing game has been inflated, mainly by new rules. If Cris Carter is a 3rd ballot HOF, then guys who are considered the 8th or 9th best WR of their generation won't get past the preliminary ballot. Boldin can be a HOF though if he does what he's been doing for a really long time and becomes one of the top WRs of his era.

Agree. You can't have all these compilers in the HOF or it loses its meaning. There are 20 receivers in the HOF right now. I just can't see Boldin joining that elite group unless he continues playing at a high level late into his career like a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens, which looks unlikely given his injury history.

E-Man
04-19-2009, 07:52 PM
I think he is on pace to do it like some people have said. The biggest thing will be how he is viewed from here on out. Sometimes I think the Hall has too much politics that keep people out. I hope people don't start making his career more about his beef with the Cardinals than his on the field play. I don't want to see a less productive guy get in based on something bogus, because the writers have a hard on for his attitude.

Burns336
04-19-2009, 07:56 PM
Boldin is better than all those guys you just listed.

Reggie Wayne?

I wouldn't say Boldin is better than Wayne. Pretty equal if you ask me.

And I know this same argument can be applied to Wayne up until last year, but why not wait and see what Boldin can do when he isn't being covered by the #2 corner every game?

Fitz draws the #1 corner the majority of the time. If he is matched up on the 2, it comes with safety help.

Let's see Boldin as the featured guy and lets see him stay healthy.

I love him, but HOF is special... It's kind of a joke to be mentioning any receivers as HOFers unless it's T.O. or Moss.

If Football ended tomorrow, who would be HOF worthy at the position? Only Moss and T.O. IMO.

What if Boldin has a bunch of injury plagued seasons from here on out? You never know what could happen.

Highagain
04-19-2009, 08:40 PM
Reggie Wayne?

I wouldn't say Boldin is better than Wayne. Pretty equal if you ask me.

And I know this same argument can be applied to Wayne up until last year, but why not wait and see what Boldin can do when he isn't being covered by the #2 corner every game?

Fitz draws the #1 corner the majority of the time. If he is matched up on the 2, it comes with safety help.

Let's see Boldin as the featured guy and lets see him stay healthy.

I love him, but HOF is special... It's kind of a joke to be mentioning any receivers as HOFers unless it's T.O. or Moss.

If Football ended tomorrow, who would be HOF worthy at the position? Only Moss and T.O. IMO.

What if Boldin has a bunch of injury plagued seasons from here on out? You never know what could happen.

I have to think that Marvin Harrison will get in as well.

Staubach12
04-19-2009, 10:01 PM
Woah, this guy is young. Right now? Hell no. Can I see him having a HoF career when it's all said and done? Yeah. Is that for sure? Not at all.

Burns336
04-19-2009, 11:18 PM
I have to think that Marvin Harrison will get in as well.

Yes, I forgot Marvin somehow haha..

I'm just saying -- no one would put Q on the same level as Owens, Moss, or Harrison. So if his career ended tomorrow, would he be in the HOF? Hell no.

It's beyond me how anyone can answer yes to this question. They would be going off of projections alone because he certainly hasn't qualified as a hof receiver yet.

RaiderNation
04-19-2009, 11:44 PM
Wayne is a #1 WR, Boldin(for now) is still a #2.

ccB
04-19-2009, 11:50 PM
APS is saying that cause he wants to look good for trading for him in the forum mock

Here's your answer right here...

fenikz
04-19-2009, 11:53 PM
And I know this same argument can be applied to Wayne up until last year, but why not wait and see what Boldin can do when he isn't being covered by the #2 corner every game?

up until this year Boldin was always considered the #1 WR, he faced and destroyed a lot of top cover corners

BamaFalcon59
04-19-2009, 11:58 PM
Wayne is a #1 WR, Boldin(for now) is still a #2.

I'd like to know how a guy who averaged 7.4 receptions per game/ 86.5 receiving yards per game/ and .91 touchdowns per game is a number two.

And he did it on the same team as Larry Fitzgerald, outproducing him while healthy.

Really, the only knock on Boldin are the injury concerns. Over a full season he averages 100 receptions/ 1,299 receiving yards/ 8 touchdowns. Very, very few receivers are as productive as him when healthy. And the touchdown numbers have only improved since he got a quality NFL quarterback throwing to him.

Smooth Criminal
04-20-2009, 12:09 AM
It's to early to tell until his career is over. Way to early.

JonasBlane
04-20-2009, 12:48 AM
At this point in time, he's not even close... Neither is Adrian Peterson. Peterson has a good shot at being HoF, but I don't think Boldin has a huge shot.

vidae
04-20-2009, 01:09 AM
Let me start off by saying that I absolutely love Boldin and the way he plays the game. He's a monster.

With that said, these threads creep up a lot throughout the year and the answer is almost the same, not yet. If he continues to produce I think you can potentially make a case for it SOMEDAY, but talk about that as he's ending his career, not when he's in the prime of it.

Addict
04-20-2009, 04:57 AM
I'm genetically bound to agree with APS.

killxswitch
04-20-2009, 07:52 AM
Right now of course he isn't. You can't even really discuss this until around 2013.

Stats-wise he doesn't seem strong enough to me, but he still has plenty of time.

THROUGH SIX SEASONS:

Boldin
502 rec
6496 yards
40 TDs

M Harrison
522 rec
6967 yards
62 TDs

R Moss
525 rec
8375 yards
77 TDs

T Owens
412 rec
6170 yards
59 TDs

To me the only two on that list that are likely HOFers are Harrison and Moss.

SimonRath
04-20-2009, 09:16 AM
Right now of course he isn't. You can't even really discuss this until around 2013.

Stats-wise he doesn't seem strong enough to me, but he still has plenty of time.

THROUGH SIX SEASONS:

Boldin
502 rec
6496 yards
40 TDs

M Harrison
522 rec
6967 yards
62 TDs

R Moss
525 rec
8375 yards
77 TDs

T Owens
412 rec
6170 yards
59 TDs

To me the only two on that list that are likely HOFers are Harrison and Moss.


an again who were throwing to these guys during their career?
Moss had Cunningham, Culpepper an Brady (an Cassel).
Marvin had Manning.
Owens had Young, Garcia, McNabb an even Romo
Boldin had Kurt for one good season..

im not saying Boldin is worth HOF status an that the other WR's are ****** but in my mind you gotta take their QB situation into consideration

killxswitch
04-20-2009, 09:25 AM
an again who were throwing to these guys during their career?
Moss had Cunningham, Culpepper an Brady (an Cassel).
Marvin had Manning.
Owens had Young, Garcia, McNabb an even Romo
Boldin had Kurt for one good season..

im not saying Boldin is worth HOF status an that the other WR's are ****** but in my mind you gotta take their QB situation into consideration

Then it's in your mind only. There are plenty of talented WRs through the years that haven't been able to produce because the guy throwing the ball wasn't on his level. Those guys aren't in the HOF. Voters aren't going to weight the QB throwing to the receiver as heavily as you are. It is damn hard to get into the football HOF, and from what Boldin has done so far, I don't think he will make it unless his production goes up some and he has some post-season heroics. A ring would also help.

captainjack27
04-20-2009, 09:25 AM
No, not a chance.

A Perfect Score
04-20-2009, 09:27 AM
Well apparently this thread was started because of my claims, so let me weigh in. Obviously when I said it, I didnt mean if Boldin stopped playing right now, he ends up in the hall. Anyone who took it that way is clearly ********, because it makes no sense.

That said, if he continues to play in the way that he has, I see no reason why he wont get into the HoF one day. He is something like the youngest player to 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500 career receptions, so say what you want about his injury history, but hes still producing at a rapid pace. He is a great player with great numbers, and I think that whether he leaves Arizona or not, he ends up in the Hall one day. Of course, no one can predict the future, but if he keeps going like his is, why wouldnt he be a HoF?

SimonRath
04-20-2009, 09:33 AM
Then it's in your mind only. There are plenty of talented WRs through the years that haven't been able to produce because the guy throwing the ball wasn't on his level. Those guys aren't in the HOF. Voters aren't going to weight the QB throwing to the receiver as heavily as you are. It is damn hard to get into the football HOF, and from what Boldin has done so far, I don't think he will make it unless his production goes up some and he has some post-season heroics. A ring would also help.

obviously you didnt read my last post..
i said i wasnt saying Boldin was a HOFer right now. He has played way less seasons then Moss, Harrison an TO did so obviously their resume is gonna be better.

EDIT: an saying "There are plenty of talented WR's through the years that haven't been able to produce because the guy throwing the ball wasn't on his level" has nothign to do with this, you jus proved my point basically. I said Boldin still produced great numbers even when he had bad QB's

killxswitch
04-20-2009, 09:49 AM
obviously you didnt read my last post..
i said i wasnt saying Boldin was a HOFer right now. He has played way less seasons then Moss, Harrison an TO did so obviously their resume is gonna be better.

Then what is your point? This is a discussion on whether or not Boldin is HOF material. You keep saying "He isn't yet BUT..." like the QBs throwing to him have anything to do with whether or not he will be in the HOF one day.

Their resumes at 6 years along are all better than his. Moss' and Harrison's are significantly better. And IMO Owens will not go to the HOF.

EDIT: an saying "There are plenty of talented WR's through the years that haven't been able to produce because the guy throwing the ball wasn't on his level" has nothign to do with this, you jus proved my point basically. I said Boldin still produced great numbers even when he had bad QB's

I can't prove your point if you don't have one. Yes Boldin has done well. No one is saying "Boldin plays like ****". But if he continues to play as he has he will not get into the HOF.

killxswitch
04-20-2009, 09:52 AM
Well apparently this thread was started because of my claims, so let me weigh in. Obviously when I said it, I didnt mean if Boldin stopped playing right now, he ends up in the hall. Anyone who took it that way is clearly ********, because it makes no sense.

That said, if he continues to play in the way that he has, I see no reason why he wont get into the HoF one day. He is something like the youngest player to 100, 200, 300, 400, and 500 career receptions, so say what you want about his injury history, but hes still producing at a rapid pace. He is a great player with great numbers, and I think that whether he leaves Arizona or not, he ends up in the Hall one day. Of course, no one can predict the future, but if he keeps going like his is, why wouldnt he be a HoF?

He wouldn't be because the only two "sure-fire" HOFers in the league right now, Harrison and Moss, had more receptions, significantly more yards, and a ton more TDs than Boldin at the same points in their respective careers. And like it or not those things count a lot when it comes to HOF voting.

There is no proof that Boldin won't pick up the pace, he is still young. But if his pace is steady, based on his first 6 years he won't be in the HOF.

banetzdererste
04-20-2009, 10:01 AM
Boldin a HoF? Not now!!!

Fitzgerald could be a Future HoF!
If Boldin could get a Team where he is the Nr. 1 Receiver, he could play more of his potential!

I Hope he comes to the Ravens! I would love this.
Develop with Flacco and he could get very far for the second half of his carrer!

LonghornsLegend
04-20-2009, 12:11 PM
Right now of course he isn't. You can't even really discuss this until around 2013.

Stats-wise he doesn't seem strong enough to me, but he still has plenty of time.

THROUGH SIX SEASONS:

Boldin
502 rec
6496 yards
40 TDs

M Harrison
522 rec
6967 yards
62 TDs

R Moss
525 rec
8375 yards
77 TDs

T Owens
412 rec
6170 yards
59 TDs

To me the only two on that list that are likely HOFers are Harrison and Moss.



And Torry Holt's numbers were better then a few of those guys in his first 6 years as well, not sure if he's a HOF but if he can manage to play a few more years he may be up for consideration:


517 catches
8156 yards
45 TDs




Boldin is FAR away from HOF discussions, Art Monk had over 12,000 yards and was struggling to make it in, HOFers do it for careers, not 6 year spans.

jth1331
04-20-2009, 12:23 PM
Right now of course he isn't. You can't even really discuss this until around 2013.

Stats-wise he doesn't seem strong enough to me, but he still has plenty of time.

THROUGH SIX SEASONS:

Boldin
502 rec
6496 yards
40 TDs

M Harrison
522 rec
6967 yards
62 TDs

R Moss
525 rec
8375 yards
77 TDs

T Owens
412 rec
6170 yards
59 TDs

To me the only two on that list that are likely HOFers are Harrison and Moss.

If you don't consider Owens a HoFer then please rethink your career. Owens is going to end up with over 1,000 catches, 15,000+ yards and most likely 150+ TD catches in his career. He probably will end up with better numbers than Harrison when its all said and done.

Now, as for Boldin, we are going to see a lot of WR's coming up here with pretty good resumes. Some won't get in though. Reggie Wayne probably will end up with some pretty good numbers, but I don't think he will get in.
Torry Holt is another guy with impressive numbers, and I thought he'd be a lock, but right now I'm not so sure.
Isaac Bruce is another interesting player too, he has 1,000 receptions, will have 15,000 yards and possibly 100 TD catches. However, he probably is on the borderline.

Gay Ork Wang
04-20-2009, 12:27 PM
Isaac Bruce is gonna make it, i mean he is 2nd all time in receptions

killxswitch
04-20-2009, 12:38 PM
If you don't consider Owens a HoFer then please rethink your career. Owens is going to end up with over 1,000 catches, 15,000+ yards and most likely 150+ TD catches in his career. He probably will end up with better numbers than Harrison when its all said and done.


I looked at his numbers again and he does have a ton of TDs. If he passes 15,000 yards (which barring a big injury it looks like he will) then he has a better shot than I gave him credit for. I wouldn't call it a lock but he is right there with Harrison and Moss.


Now, as for Boldin, we are going to see a lot of WR's coming up here with pretty good resumes. Some won't get in though. Reggie Wayne probably will end up with some pretty good numbers, but I don't think he will get in.
Torry Holt is another guy with impressive numbers, and I thought he'd be a lock, but right now I'm not so sure.
Isaac Bruce is another interesting player too, he has 1,000 receptions, will have 15,000 yards and possibly 100 TD catches. However, he probably is on the borderline.


To me all the guys you listed are not HOF-worthy yet. Boldin and to a lesser-extent Wayne still have time to increase their production, maybe get a ring (or a 2nd in Wayne's case) and some big post-season plays. For for Holt I think it's too late. Bruce is on the bubble between HOF and a guy who has been good-to-great for a long time.

killxswitch
04-20-2009, 12:40 PM
Isaac Bruce is gonna make it, i mean he is 2nd all time in receptions

I think he's 4th. Rice, Harrison, Carter, then Bruce. Or do you mean 2nd all time of currently-active WRs?

edit: He's 5th. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=receivers)

Gay Ork Wang
04-20-2009, 12:43 PM
mhm i somehow remembered he was 2nd

Addict
04-20-2009, 01:19 PM
mhm i somehow remembered he was 2nd

that's harrison.

Burns336
04-20-2009, 03:07 PM
I looked at his numbers again and he does have a ton of TDs. If he passes 15,000 yards (which barring a big injury it looks like he will) then he has a better shot than I gave him credit for. I wouldn't call it a lock but he is right there with Harrison and Moss.



To me all the guys you listed are not HOF-worthy yet. Boldin and to a lesser-extent Wayne still have time to increase their production, maybe get a ring (or a 2nd in Wayne's case) and some big post-season plays. For for Holt I think it's too late. Bruce is on the bubble between HOF and a guy who has been good-to-great for a long time.

Dude, T.O. is 2nd in TD receptions only behind Rice and is one of the top TD scorers to ever play the game.

He is a LOCK to make the HoF. He is one of the greatest and most dominant WR's to ever play the game.

Gay Ork Wang
04-20-2009, 03:46 PM
that's harrison.
ah i think it was on some documentary but that was like 3 years old

SimonRath
04-20-2009, 07:43 PM
Then what is your point? This is a discussion on whether or not Boldin is HOF material. You keep saying "He isn't yet BUT..." like the QBs throwing to him have anything to do with whether or not he will be in the HOF one day.

Their resumes at 6 years along are all better than his. Moss' and Harrison's are significantly better. And IMO Owens will not go to the HOF.



I can't prove your point if you don't have one. Yes Boldin has done well. No one is saying "Boldin plays like ****". But if he continues to play as he has he will not get into the HOF.

good lord this is going no where.
i said he isnt HOF material yet, but if he keeps up his numbers for more years then i dont see why he shouldnt be one.

an the whole QB thing, i was saying that you cant say Wayne, Harrison or TO are much better WR's then Boldin cuz they all had much better QB's throwing to them then Boldin did

BrownsTown
04-20-2009, 07:46 PM
If he continues along this career track, no doubt he's a HOF.

boknows34
04-20-2009, 09:19 PM
mhm i somehow remembered he was 2nd

Bruce is 2nd for career receiving yardage with 14,944. That's where you have heard him being 2nd.

CC.SD
04-20-2009, 09:40 PM
Bruce is EASILY a HoFamer it's not even a question. So is TO because the touchdowns count where Canton is concerned.

Boldin has to keep it up for a while yet.

jth1331
04-20-2009, 10:54 PM
Bruce is EASILY a HoFamer it's not even a question. So is TO because the touchdowns count where Canton is concerned.

Boldin has to keep it up for a while yet.

Why is Bruce easily a HoFer? Only 4 Pro Bowls in his long career, 0 All Pro's.
Only 2 years 10+ TD catches, only 1 year catching 90 + passes, 4 years 1200+ receiving yards in a year. Only 8 years 1,000 receiving yards.

I just view him as a good receiver who had a long career and not HoF worthy.

killxswitch
04-21-2009, 07:25 AM
good lord this is going no where.
i said he isnt HOF material yet, but if he keeps up his numbers for more years then i dont see why he shouldnt be one.


And I provided evidence for why he shouldn't. His numbers aren't good enough.


an the whole QB thing, i was saying that you cant say Wayne, Harrison or TO are much better WR's then Boldin cuz they all had much better QB's throwing to them then Boldin did

Why are you telling me about it? I never said anything about Wayne, Harrison, or TO being much better WRs. I said the last two had a better shot at the HOF than Boldin does if his production stays the same.

Bruce is EASILY a HoFamer it's not even a question.


I doubt it'll be as clear cut as you make it out to be. Will they view his longevity as a positive or as the only reason he's listed near the top of any stat category that matters?

Gay Ork Wang
04-21-2009, 07:32 AM
Why is Bruce easily a HoFer? Only 4 Pro Bowls in his long career, 0 All Pro's.
Only 2 years 10+ TD catches, only 1 year catching 90 + passes, 4 years 1200+ receiving yards in a year. Only 8 years 1,000 receiving yards.

I just view him as a good receiver who had a long career and not HoF worthy.
2nd in receiving yards and 5th in receptions all time. that counts for something

bored of education
04-21-2009, 08:20 AM
I think I should start the Dwayne Bowe HoF thread in about 365 days

Splat
04-21-2009, 08:23 AM
I think I should start the Dwayne Bowe HoF thread in about 365 days

Why wait?:)

bored of education
04-21-2009, 08:25 AM
Why wait?:)

Well after next year in which he will have 125 receptions, 1600 yards and 19 TDs then I will feel more inclined and not look like such a homer. :D

jth1331
04-21-2009, 10:10 AM
2nd in receiving yards and 5th in receptions all time. that counts for something

5-10 years from now, he probably won't be in the top 5 in either category. Based on projections of current players.

Gay Ork Wang
04-21-2009, 10:27 AM
5-10 years from now, he probably won't be in the top 5 in either category. Based on projections of current players.
like who? the other guys that are even close are Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens and Holt (who is 2000 yards away), the first 3 guys are all HoFer

Fitzgerald needs another 10 seasons averaging 900 yards to surpass him.

Addict
04-21-2009, 11:13 AM
like who? the other guys that are even close are Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens and Holt (who is 2000 yards away), the first 3 guys are all HoFer

Fitzgerald needs another 10 seasons averaging 900 yards to surpass him.

if anyone is gonna beat all those guys it's Fitz, he's still very young, so plenty of time left.

8 seasons would be 1285 yards. That's managable.

Gay Ork Wang
04-21-2009, 11:25 AM
if anyone is gonna beat all those guys it's Fitz, he's still very young, so plenty of time left.

8 seasons would be 1285 yards. That's managable.
yea but still an incredible accomplishment

nrk
04-21-2009, 11:51 AM
an again who were throwing to these guys during their career?
Moss had Cunningham, Culpepper an Brady (an Cassel).
Marvin had Manning.
Owens had Young, Garcia, McNabb an even Romo
Boldin had Kurt for one good season..

im not saying Boldin is worth HOF status an that the other WR's are ****** but in my mind you gotta take their QB situation into consideration

I could put up Anquan Boldin type stats if I played Seattle, St. Louis, and San Fran twice every year.

Sure he has a chance, but he's been a #2 in a horrible division. I want to see him be a #1 somewhere else.

killxswitch
04-22-2009, 09:13 AM
I think I should start the Dwayne Bowe HoF thread in about 365 days

Michael Crabtree... a HoF?