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Halsey
04-23-2009, 09:26 AM
Do the very top picks in the first round of the Draft make too much money for players who've never played a down in the NFL? Yeah. However, there is one aspect that could be argued as a good thing: It reduces the likelihood teams will be motivated to tank the season once they realize they're out of the playoff run and have a chance to get a really high pick. So basically it's further motivation for teams not to suck. The way the system is right now makes high picks kind of a combination punishment and reward for being bad.

MikeBaltimore12
04-23-2009, 09:29 AM
how many nfl teams have you seen "tank" the season for a better draft pick?

Sveen
04-23-2009, 09:30 AM
That is an interesting addition to the discussion, but I still think the negatives by far outweighs to positives though.

Halsey
04-23-2009, 09:32 AM
how many nfl teams have you seen "tank" the season for a better draft pick?

Exactly. A down side to a rookie salary cap would be further rewarding teams for bad seasons. Am I saying a rookie salary cap would be a completly bad thing? No, but it might not be completely good either.

LizardState
04-23-2009, 10:15 AM
NFL teams have been known to take a dive now & again, that's the gray area where the NFL & the WWF overlap :) . In wks. 16 & 17 I think it's more a case of losing teams phoning it in b/c they have nada to play for & they don't give a rat's about their W-L rcd.

Ambivalence & laziness trumps maneuvering for high draft pick almost every time. :twisted:

wicket
04-23-2009, 10:19 AM
Exactly. A down side to a rookie salary cap would be further rewarding teams for bad seasons. Am I saying a rookie salary cap would be a completly bad thing? No, but it might not be completely good either.

The whole concept of the draft is making terrible teams better. Its supposed to level things up. Its kinda like socialism the draft. You give the best guys to the guys who need it the most

Splat
04-23-2009, 11:14 AM
I still think the negatives by far outweighs to positives though.

Agreed.....

The Great Jonathan Vilma
04-23-2009, 11:15 AM
I don't know why players who tank for the idea that a rookie from a few slots higher will come in and save them/take their jobs. Coaches have their jobs on the line, players fight for roster spots, etc. etc. If tanking means that they rest their starters, it is noticed, and if so, the players who are on the brink of being cut are obviously playing, and will be fighting for their jobs. Lots of time, it is a time where teams can get a feel for talent they have deeper on the roster, or get younger guys playing experience. Tanking isn't a word i would use to describe it, generally speaking.

IMO that is more of a joke of an NBA thing where fewer players play, benches are made of guys who never see the floor, and players with huge ego's have a bigger influence on the team due to having fewer players. I don't think it comes even close to the pressure and other aspects that come into play in the NFL. Just my opinion. Certainly not a reason to say that NFL rookie salaries are fine. They are out of line, anyway you spin it.

jay cutler's #1 fan
04-23-2009, 11:15 AM
Tanking is a big misconception. Players and coaches alike are playing for their jobs. Chances are they're not mailing it in.

Basileus777
04-23-2009, 11:40 AM
Tanking really isn't an issue in the NFL because of how short the season is and the lack of guaranteed contracts.

the decider13
04-23-2009, 11:50 AM
The whole concept of the draft is making terrible teams better. Its supposed to level things up. Its kinda like socialism the draft. You give the best guys to the guys who need it the most

I think this gets over looked to often, and it's absolutely true. The Lions aren't supposed to suck forever, they are supposed to get better by adding top level talent to their team.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
04-23-2009, 11:54 AM
The whole concept of the draft is making terrible teams better. Its supposed to level things up. Its kinda like socialism the draft. You give the best guys to the guys who need it the most

funny how that gets lost. Well said.

3pac
04-23-2009, 12:09 PM
IMO that is more of a joke of an NBA thing where fewer players play, benches are made of guys who never see the floor, and players with huge ego's have a bigger influence on the team due to having fewer players. I don't think it comes even close to the pressure and other aspects that come into play in the NFL. Just my opinion. Certainly not a reason to say that NFL rookie salaries are fine. They are out of line, anyway you spin it.

Agreed in full, but that's why the NBA uses a Draft Lottery system, and not just a worst-best record order :)

giant73zuma
04-23-2009, 12:40 PM
That fact that top 5 pick salaries are so high is kind of the catch 22 of having a bad season. They get the chance to find a superstar player who can save the franchise but if they make bad picks they can kill their cap and set the franchise back 10 years. So really picking high isnt totally a reward for playing badly, its more a gamble for a chance at redemption

PACKmanN
04-23-2009, 01:37 PM
I think a positive to drafting high is, you get a top talent and they are forced to sign with you, since you drafted them, and for teams that are not in large markets, free agents don't usually sign with that team, but the top prospects have to sign with the smaller market teams.

Its sort of like free agency for smaller market teams.

CC.SD
04-23-2009, 02:52 PM
I think a positive to drafting high is, you get a top talent and they are forced to sign with you, since you drafted them, and for teams that are not in large markets, free agents don't usually sign with that team, but the top prospects have to sign with the smaller market teams.

Its sort of like free agency for smaller market teams.

I see what you're saying but I think your last sentence is stretching it big time. After all we've seen plenty of small market teams sign big name free agents, and the draft is a draft. You can't pick where you're going unless you are Elway or Eli. Or you're a sneaky pete like Bernie Kosar.

E-Man
04-23-2009, 05:23 PM
Tanking really isn't an issue in the NFL because of how short the season is and the lack of guaranteed contracts.
Great point. Players don't want to tank anything, because they know they can be cut. It makes no sense to purposely lose a game when the GM will be thinking about how you tanked in the offseason.

BGB
04-23-2009, 05:39 PM
Do the very top picks in the first round of the Draft make too much money for players who've never played a down in the NFL? Yeah. However, there is one aspect that could be argued as a good thing: It reduces the likelihood teams will be motivated to tank the season once they realize they're out of the playoff run and have a chance to get a really high pick. So basically it's further motivation for teams not to suck. The way the system is right now makes high picks kind of a combination punishment and reward for being bad.



It also makes that drafts a lot more exciting in my opinion. Everyone wants to see whothe next 60-80 million dollar man is.