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Hawk
04-23-2009, 01:26 PM
Just heard it from Michael Smith on ESPN.

Thanks Splat: http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/23/report-gonzalez-traded-to-falcons/

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:27 PM
I am preparing myself to cry like a baby :(

eaglesalltheway
04-23-2009, 01:27 PM
Good! Then all the rumors about him going to the Eagles will stop.

eaglesalltheway
04-23-2009, 01:28 PM
I am preparing myself to cry like a baby :(

My deepest and sincerest condolences.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:29 PM
My deepest and sincerest condolences.

thanks.this is our equivilent of Dawkins to Denver

Splat
04-23-2009, 01:30 PM
Saw it as well just posted in the trade thread I might cry.

Don Vito
04-23-2009, 01:31 PM
It is going to be very weird seeing him in anything but a Chiefs uniform.

Splat
04-23-2009, 01:32 PM
Report: Gonzalez Traded To Falcons (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/23/report-gonzalez-traded-to-falcons/)

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2009, 01:33 PM
thanks.this is our equivilent of Dawkins to Denver

How? Dawkins was released and was a shell of his former self, your probably getting a 2nd rounder for a player who has a few good years left, in those years you won't be contending for a SB.


I don't see why you'd be upset.

Splat
04-23-2009, 01:36 PM
I don't see why you'd be upset.

He is the face of the franchise still a great player and a class act he has every reason to be upset.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:37 PM
wow we don't even get a pick this year?Pioli has now made the Carl Peterson of trades

Wootylicous
04-23-2009, 01:38 PM
Somewhere Matt Ryan is smiling!

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:38 PM
Somewhere Matt Ryan is smiling!

and somewhere Matt Cassel is going to jack up Scott Pioli

Wootylicous
04-23-2009, 01:39 PM
Brad Cottam is full of win!

SaintsFanForLife
04-23-2009, 01:40 PM
The Kansas City Chiefs have traded Pro Bowl tight end Tony Gonzalez to the Atlanta Falcons in exchange for a 2010 second-round draft pick, according to Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9490416/Sources:-Chiefs-agree-to-deal-Gonzalez-to-Falcons

Gay Ork Wang
04-23-2009, 01:40 PM
try to check for a thread next time

Nalej
04-23-2009, 01:40 PM
Matt Ryan is getting set up for success. Good ish

eaglesalltheway
04-23-2009, 01:41 PM
Wow, decent move for both teams, though i think the Cheifs won in the deal. A second rounder for a guy who will play two more seasons at the most, albeit at a very high level, is pricey IMO.

BeerBaron
04-23-2009, 01:42 PM
Very good move I think. The Falcons are going to be dangerous again next year....

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:42 PM
Wow, decent move for both teams, though i think the Cheifs won in the deal. A second rounder for a guy who will play two more seasons at the most, albeit at a very high level, is pricey IMO.

how is this good for us???we don't get a pick this year.this is a horrible deal

SaintsFanForLife
04-23-2009, 01:42 PM
Wow, decent move for both teams, though i think the Cheifs won in the deal. A second rounder for a guy who will play two more seasons at the most, albeit at a very high level, is pricey IMO.

I agree Cheifs won on the deal but Im gonna hate to see him two time a year even if its only for two more years.

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2009, 01:43 PM
He is the face of the franchise still a great player and a class act he has every reason to be upset.

I didn't say he didn't have a right to be upset, but regardless of him being a class act and the face of the franchise, I'd still take a 2nd for him...You guys compared him to Dawkins and he was let go for free, a guy can't play for your team forever.


Though I would of pushed for an 09 2nd, but still.

jay cutler's #1 fan
04-23-2009, 01:43 PM
how is this good for us???we don't get a pick this year.this is a horrible deal

Are the Chiefs going to be competitive in the next season or two? Not likely. Why not take what you can get (a 2nd, can get a quality prospect) for him since he won't help the team when it matters (3 years down the road)?

Hawk
04-23-2009, 01:44 PM
Brad Cottam is full of win!

Of course, he came from Tennessee!

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:44 PM
I am so irate right now.we got robbed in this deal so badly it makes me wonder what Pioli was thinking

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:45 PM
Are the Chiefs going to be competitive in the next season or two? Not likely. Why not take what you can get (a 2nd, can get a quality prospect) for him since he won't help the team when it matters (3 years down the road)?

we could/should have waited out for a better offer then a ******* '10 pick.Pioli is now on my WTF list

BeerBaron
04-23-2009, 01:45 PM
Are the Chiefs going to be competitive in the next season or two? Not likely. Why not take what you can get (a 2nd, can get a quality prospect) for him since he won't help the team when it matters (3 years down the road)?

But now they have one less year to work with the kid they take with that 2nd rounder.

I would have tried to demand something this year....a 5th or something even.

Splat
04-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I don't like it either but its not that shocking Pioli is known for stockpiling picks for the next year.

Flyboy
04-23-2009, 01:46 PM
Hmmm, I wonder does this put the Chiefs in play for Crabtree now?

I can understand trading Gonzalez, but you're taking away weapons from Cassel by doing so.

eazyb81
04-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I am so irate right now.we got robbed in this deal so badly it makes me wonder what Pioli was thinking

Huh? Did you really think we were getting a 1st for old Tony Gonzalez?

He's a good player but past his prime. Time to stockpiling picks for a rebuild.

SaintsFanForLife
04-23-2009, 01:46 PM
I think a 2nd next year is worth more than a 2nd this year. This years draft class is weak.IMO

Splat
04-23-2009, 01:48 PM
Hmmm, I wonder does this put the Chiefs in play for Crabtree now?

The first thing I thought of.

LarryJohnson27
04-23-2009, 01:48 PM
I am so irate right now.we got robbed in this deal so badly it makes me wonder what Pioli was thinking

The only reason you feel like that is because it's a few days before the draft, and you want your return now. Pioli isn't just concerned with 2009. I'm sure it was between a 3rd this year or a 2nd next year, and since we aren't competing anytime soon I'll take the latter.

Flyboy
04-23-2009, 01:48 PM
Bowe/Crabtree = yummy times for Cassel imo, Splat.

eaglesalltheway
04-23-2009, 01:48 PM
how is this good for us???we don't get a pick this year.this is a horrible deal

Of course ti will depend on who you pick, but in a worst case scenario, you get 5 years of production, Tony had said before last season he plays only two more seasons, leaving just this season. Obviously now I think that changes a bit, but two seasons of production isn't much when you could potentially draft a starter for 5+ years in your franchise, and knowing Pioli's record, he will not F up the pick.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:49 PM
Huh? Did you really think we were getting a 1st for old Tony Gonzalez?

He's a good player but past his prime. Time to stockpiling picks for a rebuild.



no but I did expect a pick THIS YEAR

vidae
04-23-2009, 01:49 PM
Yeah, can't believe they actually did it.

Talk all you want about how he only has a few years left, whatever. He was drafted as a Chief and has played his entire career here. He was the face of our franchise and he was as good as it gets at the position. Not to mention we don't even get a pick this year, I'm not sure.

Bleh. Going to really suck seeing Tony in a Falcons jersey.

jay cutler's #1 fan
04-23-2009, 01:50 PM
Crabtree is a possibility but I'm not sure how well he would compliment Bowe. They play similar styles but in the end they'd be a great pair I think.

Flyboy
04-23-2009, 01:50 PM
Thanks, KC. Give us more TEs to defend in the NFC South. Lovely.

TitleTown088
04-23-2009, 01:54 PM
BOE I'm very sorry. Hopefully this can make you feel better.

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Cookie/CookiePhotos/OreoCookies2.jpg

Da-Phins
04-23-2009, 01:54 PM
So let me get this straight. The Chiefs at first turned down the Falcons offer for a 2nd round pick this year then later accept a 2nd rounder for next year?

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 01:54 PM
next thing you know Waters will be traded for a 2030 7th round pick.

vidae
04-23-2009, 01:55 PM
So let me get this straight. The Chiefs at first turned down the Falcons offer for a 2nd round pick this year then later accept a 2nd rounder for next year?

As I remember it, Carl Peterson turned down a second round pick last year. I'm not sure the Falcons ever had a second round pick this year on the table.

It's really weird taking away a weapon like Tony from Matt Cassel in his first year. I don't get it.

Oh well. Here is to hoping the Falcons dive and have a top ten pick next year so at least this second is a high one.

Splat
04-23-2009, 01:56 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/04/23/kansas_city_trades_te_tony_gonzalez_to_atlanta/

”On behalf of my family and the Chiefs, I want to thank Tony for his time in Kansas City,” Chiefs Chairman Clark Hunt said. “Over the last 12 seasons, Tony has been one of the finest players in Chiefs history, and he will always be remembered as a member of the Chiefs. His play on the field speaks for itself – he holds almost every major NFL record for tight ends, and he is arguably the best to ever play his position. We wish him the best in Atlanta.”

“From an organizational as well as personal standpoint there are mixed emotions,” said Scott Pioli, General Manager of the Kansas City Chiefs, in announcing the trade. “I have the highest personal and professional respect for Tony and consider him to be a future Pro Football Hall of Famer.”

SaintsFanForLife
04-23-2009, 01:56 PM
Thanks, KC. Give us more TEs to defend in the NFC South. Lovely.

Yea now we have to face him and Winslow... We better get a fast LB to cover them..

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2009, 01:56 PM
I'd take a 2nd in 2010 vs a 3rd this year too, and I'd take that 2nd over keeping Tony...You guys will come around when the draft rolls around again and you see what type of options you have with that pick.


If he isn't going to help a SB run I don't get the big deal, yes he's your favorite player and has always been a Chief, but this is still a business, either keep him for a few more 7 win seasons and you get to see him play or get an impact player on defense in the 2nd round that stays for 5 years.

Splat
04-23-2009, 01:58 PM
Bowe is going to have very hard time getting open.

vidae
04-23-2009, 01:58 PM
I'd take a 2nd in 2010 vs a 3rd this year too, and I'd take that 2nd over keeping Tony...You guys will come around when the draft rolls around again and you see what type of options you have with that pick.


If he isn't going to help a SB run I don't get the big deal, yes he's your favorite player and has always been a Chief, but this is still a business, either keep him for a few more 7 win seasons and you get to see him play or get an impact player on defense in the 2nd round that stays for 5 years.

Yeah, if that pick ends up amounting to anything but you never know, he could be a gigantic bust. I keep telling myself I have to trust Pioli but from hearing rumors they're in love with Connor Barwin to looking at Tyson Jackson and to now getting rid of Tony, I mean, bleh, come on.

Brent
04-23-2009, 01:59 PM
If it was a 2nd this year, they could have snagged a nice receiving TE like a Chase Coffman, Shawn Nelson and a couple others in the 2nd, for a replacement.

Da-Phins
04-23-2009, 02:00 PM
As I remember it, Carl Peterson turned down a second round pick last year. I'm not sure the Falcons ever had a second round pick this year on the table.

It's really weird taking away a weapon like Tony from Matt Cassel in his first year. I don't get it.

Oh well. Here is to hoping the Falcons dive and have a top ten pick next year so at least this second is a high one.

Oh ok. I thought for sure I read earlier this offseason that the Chiefs turned down an offer for a 2nd this year.

Basileus777
04-23-2009, 02:00 PM
My main concern is how this could affect Cassel's development. Bowe is our only weapon in the passing game and he even he has trouble his drops.

jay cutler's #1 fan
04-23-2009, 02:01 PM
The Chiefs almost agreed to give Gonzalez to the Packers last season for a 3rd round pick but then demanded a 2nd, which GB wasn't willing to give up.

vidae
04-23-2009, 02:01 PM
My main concern is how this could affect Cassel's development. Bowe is our only weapon in the passing game and he even he has trouble his drops.

Oh no, don't forget Engram. We can't forget a 36 year old receiver who is probably not going to contribute at all after we got rid of Will Franklin.

Argh, who the hell is Cassel going to have to throw to? LJ hardly tries and Bowe is the only decent weapon we have.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 02:03 PM
I am about through with the Chiefs.to make this crappy of a trade for the greatest TE ever is wrong on many levels.


GO FALCONS!!!!

Stash
04-23-2009, 02:04 PM
Great news!

Xiomera
04-23-2009, 02:06 PM
It seems to me the Chiefs could have gotten more. The Falcons are a playoff team, so that pick next year won't be in the top 15 or maybe even the top 20 for sure.

Maybe if they had gotten something as simple as a 4th rounder this year as well, it would make more sense to me. By the time Atlanta coughs up that pick in 2010, age may have caught up to Tony G.

Sveen
04-23-2009, 02:08 PM
There goes the falcons pick in my last mock out the window...

FlyingElvis
04-23-2009, 02:08 PM
dammit. NE could have given a 2009 second rounder.


Great news for Atlanta.

diabsoule
04-23-2009, 02:11 PM
Great trade for ATL. Gives Matty Ice another dangerous weapon in the passing game and will only help him improve.

bearsfan_51
04-23-2009, 02:13 PM
This should at least put some caution on the Chiefs in '09 talk.

Sniper
04-23-2009, 02:13 PM
I am about through with the Chiefs.to make this crappy of a trade for the greatest TE ever is wrong on many levels.


GO FALCONS!!!!

Right. Keep Tony around so he can catch a bazillion passes on a god-awful team. Great plan! He deserves to be on such a craptacular team, right?

eazyb81
04-23-2009, 02:13 PM
It seems to me the Chiefs could have gotten more. The Falcons are a playoff team, so that pick next year won't be in the top 15 or maybe even the top 20 for sure.

For sure? Really? Teams routinely go from worst to first and vice versa every year in the NFL.

How many had Miami and Atlanta going from top 3 picks to the playoffs last year? How many had Cleveland, Jax, Green Bay, and Seattle going from 10+ wins the year before to top 10 picks this year?

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
04-23-2009, 02:23 PM
I think it was a good deal. He is old and won't be playing when the Chiefs are a playoff team. They can have an extra pick next year.

bored of education
04-23-2009, 02:25 PM
I love this deal.

1. Next year's 2nd round pick will be between 45-55, just guessing. This years 55 pick would have been nice but I will address that later.

2. I wish Tony G the best.

3. This gives Pioli and the coaching staff a chance to see what is currently on this team offensively and defensively. It gives Pioli a year to understand and find out who fits on this team and who doesn't and what needs should be address next year. KC might be running the 4-3 under this year and if things work out with it or are making the transition to a 3-4 it's hard to pick someone in the 2nd this year when he could make a better choice next year with a clearer picture.

Thats me just being positive about it. I would have loved a 3rd or pick number 55. But for the next year and long term for the Chiefs it makes sense.

Xiomera
04-23-2009, 02:27 PM
For sure? Really? Teams routinely go from worst to first and vice versa every year in the NFL.

How many had Miami and Atlanta going from top 3 picks to the playoffs last year? How many had Cleveland, Jax, Green Bay, and Seattle going from 10+ wins the year before to top 10 picks this year?

Dude, I suppose it's possible, but is it likely? The Falcons are a team on the rise, if anything.

I don't mean to rain on the Chiefs parade, but a probable late 2nd round pick next year isn't getting very much.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
04-23-2009, 02:32 PM
IMO a late 2nd round pick is going to be worth more than 2 more years of Tony Gonzalez

Sveen
04-23-2009, 02:33 PM
I can't say I welcome him to the division... :(

eazyb81
04-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Dude, I suppose it's possible, but is it likely? The Falcons are a team on the rise, if anything.

I don't mean to rain on the Chiefs parade, but a probable late 2nd round pick next year isn't getting very much.

It didn't rain on the parade, I just thought it was kind of a stupid comment considering the volatility we see from year to year in the NFL.

Atlanta had a great year but they're not stacked by any means. I'd say the odds of them having a fantastic year are similar to them having a disappointing year and drafting in the top ten again.

vidae
04-23-2009, 02:33 PM
IMO a late 2nd round pick is going to be worth more than 2 more years of Tony Gonzalez

He meant a lot to this organization and the fans. A lot more than a late second.

619
04-23-2009, 02:34 PM
Yeah, it's an overall weak class, but the talent is well spread out and runs deep all the way through the first three rounds or so. That's why I can see the Falcons hesitant about parting with this year's second. Great move by them.

CC.SD
04-23-2009, 02:35 PM
Gonzo is a great player and a Bolt killer, can't say that I will miss him. At all.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-23-2009, 02:35 PM
How much did the New England connection between Pioli and Dimitroff play in this deal?

bored of education
04-23-2009, 02:36 PM
I don't see anything bad about this trade for either team. I don't think it will play a huge role in hampering the development of Cassel due to the offense that will be run. But I hate losing the goat.

vidae
04-23-2009, 02:38 PM
I don't see anything bad about this trade for either team. I don't think it will play a huge role in hampering the development of Cassel due to the offense that will be run. But I hate losing the goat.

When you trade a Tony Gonzalez, it's going to hurt Cassels development.

That being said, I'm not as broken up as most fans are, but it does suck.

619
04-23-2009, 02:38 PM
Also, Gonzalez is one of the very few players that seemed to give Asomugha some issues last season. I'm glad he's now gone.

gpngc
04-23-2009, 02:39 PM
So smart to get the 2010 pick rather than 55.

Nalej
04-23-2009, 02:40 PM
The Chiefs need some friggin O-weapons.
LJ, Charles and Bowe- is that it???

CC.SD
04-23-2009, 02:40 PM
The Chiefs need some friggin O-weapons.
LJ, Charles and Bowe- is that it???

Don't forget Crabtree. :D

3pac
04-23-2009, 02:43 PM
Also, Gonzalez is one of the very few players that seemed to give Asomugha some issues last season. I'm glad he's now gone.

That's because Aso was rarely if ever the person guarding Gonzalez, the LBers were. He was too busy locking down Bowe.

619
04-23-2009, 02:43 PM
Don't forget Crabtree. :D

Get used to him in Silver & Black. :)

Splat
04-23-2009, 02:43 PM
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2031/ttvtucrabtree2.jpg (http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ttvtucrabtree2.jpg)

Flyboy
04-23-2009, 02:44 PM
Michael Beasttree imo.

bored of education
04-23-2009, 02:45 PM
That's because Aso was rarely if ever the person guarding Gonzalez, the LBers were. He was too busy locking down Bowe.

If you watched the game Aso was on Gonzo half the time and getting owned.

ATLDirtyBirds
04-23-2009, 02:46 PM
Good stuff. Would have rather traded this years second rounder, and traded down in round 1. Thomas knows what is going on though.

3pac
04-23-2009, 02:47 PM
If you watched the game Aso was on Gonzo half the time and getting owned.

I did watch actually, and I only saw him on Gonzo like twice.

d34ng3l021
04-23-2009, 02:50 PM
Wow it happened. This is pretty huge. I hope there isnt a huge drop off in the Falcons record next year...I would have maybe preferred this years 2nd but whatever.

The Falcons offense is going to be very scary. Pro Bowl WR, Pro Bowl RB (Runner-up MVP), Alternate Pro Bowl QB (ORotY), HoF TE (GoAT?), very underrated OL (2nd in rushing, 5th in sacks given up), and a solid supporting cast (Jenkins, Douglas at WR. Norwood back up RB).

Its too early to judge this trade of course. We need to see what kind of impact Tony Gonzalez can make on the Falcons and where the Falcons end up picking next year. He may not be the missing piece that gets us a SB win, but he should help us go deep into the playoffs as a young team, which can shape the team's character in the future.

619
04-23-2009, 02:52 PM
That's because Aso was rarely if ever the person guarding Gonzalez, the LBers were. He was too busy locking down Bowe.

First game Aso had Bowe. Second game Aso and Wilson shared responsibilities covering Gonzalez. Gonzalez caught 2 passes over Aso on 4 attempts that game. It was actually the most catches he allowed all year. :p

3pac
04-23-2009, 02:53 PM
First game Aso had Bowe. Second game Aso and Wilson shared responsibilities on Gonzalez. Gonzalez caught 2 passes over Aso on 4 attempts that game. It was actually the most catches he allowed all year. :p

Oh, I didn't see that first one. I stand corrected.

vidae
04-23-2009, 02:53 PM
Tony has been the consummate professional while in the NFL. One part of me is sad to see him go but a bigger part hopes he can at least win a playoff game before he retires. God the Chiefs suck.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 03:02 PM
Tony has been the consummate professional while in the NFL. One part of me is sad to see him go but a bigger part hopes he can at least win a playoff game before he retires. God the Chiefs suck.

ain't that the truth.

Splat
04-23-2009, 03:05 PM
Its too early to judge this trade of course. We need to see what kind of impact Tony Gonzalez can make on the Falcons and where the Falcons end up picking next year. He may not be the missing piece that gets us a SB win, but he should help us go deep into the playoffs as a young team, which can shape the team's character in the future.

Gonzo's impact will be huge both on and off the field people want to talk about his age but the guy is in the best shape of his life he doesn't even eat meat any more.

Splat
04-23-2009, 03:11 PM
"It's somewhat bittersweet," Gonzalez told FOXSports.com exclusively. "I love Kansas City. I grew up in Kansas City. The city means a lot to me. I got there when I turned 21. It will be sad to leave a city I love. But I'm looking forward to making a Super Bowl run in Atlanta every year for the next three or four years.

"With Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, Roddy White and now myself, we have the chance to be in the top 5 in the league in offense every year. How could I not be excited to join that team?

LizardState
04-23-2009, 03:16 PM
Wow, decent move for both teams, though i think the Cheifs won in the deal. A second rounder for a guy who will play two more seasons at the most, albeit at a very high level, is pricey IMO.

Not so good for both but a freaking STEAL for Atlanta, the TE with the most Pro Bowl appearances for a 2nd next yr, wow!

Look for Atlanta to go defense & more defense this draft, at #24 they s/b able to pick an impact rookie who can start for them.

If King Carl Peterson was still in KC they would be blaming him for this & howling for his head as usual, but the new regime did it, must be on a Pioli youth movement.... they were already one of the youngest teams in the league, now their avg. age is even younger, they have to be the youngest team.

619
04-23-2009, 03:19 PM
Pettigrew to Buffalo at #28 now, assuming he gets past Philly.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 03:19 PM
Not so good for both but a freaking STEAL for Atlanta, the TE with the most Pro Bowl appearances for a 2nd next yr, wow!

Look for Atlanta to go defense & more defense this draft, at #24 they s/b able to pick an impact rookie who can start for them.

If King Carl Peterson was still in KC they would be blaming him for this & howling for his head as usual, but the new regime did it, must be on a Pioli youth movement.... whatever.

not youth movemebnt this is Pioli basically getting rid of someone he thought did'nt fit(which is BS)the honeymoon period that I was going to give Haly and Pioli is OVER.they better win some freaking games this year

eaglesalltheway
04-23-2009, 03:20 PM
Pettigrew to Buffalo at #28 now, assuming he gets past Philly.

We won't draft Pettigrew...

Splat
04-23-2009, 03:22 PM
not youth movemebnt this is Pioli basically getting rid of someone he thought did'nt fit(which is BS)the honeymoon period that I was going to give Haly and Pioli is OVER.they better win some freaking games this year

Who said any thing about Gonzo not fitting? Now your just making stuff up.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 03:26 PM
Who said any thing about Gonzo not fitting? Now your just making stuff up.

oh please this is basically what Parcells did to Taylor and Thomas a couple years ago.making an example out of some one.I am trying to fathom that we trade for Vrabel and Sign Thomas but don't want to keep TG.

Splat
04-23-2009, 03:29 PM
oh please this is basically what Parcells did to Taylor and Thomas a couple years ago.making an example out of some one.I am trying to fathom that we trade for Vrabel and Sign Thomas but don't want to keep TG.

Gonzo wanted out bottom line he has wanted out for three years King Carl just didn't have the balls to pull off the deal.

I'm not saying I love the move or any thing but you can't put this all on the FO and trying to do so is just turning a blind eye to the facts.

whatadai
04-23-2009, 03:30 PM
I like how Gonzalez said "for the next three or four years". Awesome.

If he stayed with the Chiefs he probably would've retired sooner due to them sucking so much. Now he has hope so he's probably going to stay longer.

d34ng3l021
04-23-2009, 03:31 PM
I think Chiefs fans need to relax about this trade. Yes, its sad to see one of the greatest TEs in the history of the NFL leave the team he was drafted to, but a 2nd round pick is great value for an aging veteran who could retire or have age catch up to him soon enough.

Better a 2nd round pick than nothing later on, especially for a young team on the rise.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 03:38 PM
Bleh. Going to really suck seeing Tony in a Falcons jersey.

haha no its not :)

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 03:39 PM
OMG that means no Pettigrew! :D

d34ng3l021
04-23-2009, 03:41 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/brayatl/6461174-349dbf65aba330ae9cc6561b258.jpg

Chiefs fans: Just blur your vision a little and its almost the same.

Halsey
04-23-2009, 03:41 PM
Boy, the former Patriots co-workers sure are nice to each other. Matt Cassel and Tony Gonzalez exchanged for pretty reasonable compensation. :)

Bucs_Rule
04-23-2009, 03:44 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/brayatl/6461174-349dbf65aba330ae9cc6561b258.jpg

Chiefs fans: Just blur your vision a little and its almost the same.

That just doesn't look right.

Than again I hate the Falcons, anything in those jerseys look bad.

Borat
04-23-2009, 03:48 PM
Relax KC fans. You could always deal away a 2010 2nd rounder (either yours or Atl) and get a '09 2nd rounder on draft day.

georgiafan
04-23-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm not in love with this trade, but I like it and it makes sense. The good news is the pick is next year so we have all the picks to build the defense up this year. The offense is now good enough to win the super bowl. Hopefully the defense will be good enough by next year for that to happen. My biggest worry is how many years he has left. If he can help Ryan reach his potential its hard to put a price tag on that.
Now I have to redo my mock draft.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 03:51 PM
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f116/brayatl/6461174-349dbf65aba330ae9cc6561b258.jpg

Chiefs fans: Just blur your vision a little and its almost the same.

I think I threw up in my mouth.he should have never worn another team's uni

PoopSandwich
04-23-2009, 03:52 PM
Yea now we have to face him and Winslow... We better get a fast LB to cover them..

Wow I am gonna enjoy watching ATL/TB games, TE position is my favorite in the game oddly enough, it's gonna be fun to watch two of the best pass catchers go at it twice a year.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 03:53 PM
I think I threw up in my mouth.he should have never worn another team's uni

oh calm down. it looks better this way

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 03:54 PM
oh calm down. it looks better this way

easy for you to say our GM just gift wrapped him over to his buddy Dmitroff

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2009, 03:55 PM
I think Chiefs fans need to relax about this trade. Yes, its sad to see one of the greatest TEs in the history of the NFL leave the team he was drafted to, but a 2nd round pick is great value for an aging veteran who could retire or have age catch up to him soon enough.

Better a 2nd round pick than nothing later on, especially for a young team on the rise.

Really though, he had an awesome season last year and their picking #3 in the draft, what's the big deal? I'd much rather ship out veterans at age 33 and pick up 2nd rounders then let my favorite player play out a few more seasons on my team then retire.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 03:57 PM
easy for you to say our GM just gift wrapped him over to his buddy Dmitroff

you got a 2nd rounder for him..
an yes it is in 2010 but that draft looks to be much deeper then this years so its not a bad trade for you guys

vidae
04-23-2009, 04:03 PM
I'm happy for Tony. It'll be a great chance for him to win a playoff game (which he hasn't done since he was drafted, we are terribad!) and a chance to see a ring before he retires.

JPF
04-23-2009, 04:14 PM
Damn, did it have to be the Falcons?

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 04:14 PM
IMO a late 2nd round pick is going to be worth more than 2 more years of Tony Gonzalez

For the Chiefs, yes. For the Falcons, no.

This almost guarentees Matt Ryan's success in the NFL. It is not like he didn't have weapons already, but a weapon like Gonzalez at tight end gives the offense a whole new dimension.

One of the best offenses in the NFL, maybe the best all around.

People, especially draft fans, value the future far too much. A player like Gonzalez gives us the ability to compete for the Superbowl and place us safely among the top teams in the league, all for a player who may bust and probably not make an impact till 2011.

We have the chance to win it all. Now.

Splat
04-23-2009, 04:16 PM
easy for you to say our GM just gift wrapped him over to his buddy Dmitroff

You your self just made a mock draft what two days ago having us trade Gonzo to ATL for a second round pick and didn't complain one bit.

It was for a 09' pick but still we got the same value you wanted you just will have to wait a year to get it.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32881

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 04:16 PM
my last post in this thread before I get off and try to calm down.my whole point is what sense does it make to trade for a QB(Cassel) when now you just took away his best option

3pac
04-23-2009, 04:18 PM
KC fans need to relax. We lost Marvin Harrison for NOTHING. Even players that have been on one franchise for over a decade can still leave, and you can at least feel good that you got compensation for him.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 04:18 PM
A future 2nd is not equivilent to a current 2nd. Value decreases.

Unlike a lot of fans, teams value winning as soon as possible.

D-Rod
04-23-2009, 04:21 PM
Dimitroff obviously thinks that, with one big defensive draft, the Falcons can be seriously competitive. If we really get Gonzo for 3 or 4 years, this is a fantastic trade. If it's just 2, then a second rounder is slightly painful.

Still, the biggest beneficiary is Ryan. Gonzo will make sure that he doesn't suffer from a soph slump, and that will make sure that his career stays pointed upwards.

Is there any team that has more weapons on offense than the Falcons now? Pro Bowlers at WR, RB, TE; Pro-Bowl Alternate at QB; very solid O-line and backup skill positions.

If TD hits on his first three picks this year, the Falcons could be very good.

I think that Chiefs fans, if they put aside the emotional side of losing a guy like Gonzo, will see that a 2nd rounder next year will contribute more to their long term success than a year or two of Gonzo.

D-Rod
04-23-2009, 04:22 PM
Incidentally, the Panthers now have to face Shockey twice, KW2 twice, and Gonzo twice. Yikes.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 04:23 PM
my last post in this thread before I get off and try to calm down.my whole point is what sense does it make to trade for a QB(Cassel) when now you just took away his best option

you still got bowe, an johnson, an you can draft crabtree. everything is gonna be alright

Splat
04-23-2009, 04:23 PM
A future 2nd is not equivilent to a current 2nd. Value decreases.

Unlike a lot of fans, teams value winning as soon as possible.

Its not a lock ATL makes the playoffs should they yes will they probably but you are a injury to Matt Ryan away from missing the playoffs for all you know he just gave the Chiefs a top ten pick in the second round.

I don't want that to happen even if it would help the Chiefs just saying we don't know the value of the pick as of today and won't know till the season is over and done with.

kmartin575
04-23-2009, 04:31 PM
For the Chiefs, yes. For the Falcons, no.

This almost guarentees Matt Ryan's success in the NFL. It is not like he didn't have weapons already, but a weapon like Gonzalez at tight end gives the offense a whole new dimension.

One of the best offenses in the NFL, maybe the best all around.

People, especially draft fans, value the future far too much. A player like Gonzalez gives us the ability to compete for the Superbowl and place us safely among the top teams in the league, all for a player who may bust and probably not make an impact till 2011.

We have the chance to win it all. Now.

Not with your defense. Chiefs fans know first hand that without a defense a killer offense won't mean ****. This trade doesn't help that and it just hurts your ability to fix the defense in the long run.

vidae
04-23-2009, 04:33 PM
I still kinda hope we don't go Crabtree. I think our best bet is to trade back (if possible) and maybe pick up Everette Brown and a second. We still need picks and we have bigger needs than WR.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 04:44 PM
Not with your defense. Chiefs fans know first hand that without a defense a killer offense won't mean ****. This trade doesn't help that and it just hurts your ability to fix the defense in the long run.

Yeah, the eleventh ranked scoring defense is absolutely dreadful.

Right.

We've only lost weak links on the defense and it is very young. This draft will only improve it.

tjsunstein
04-23-2009, 04:58 PM
6 pages. Wow. Pretty damn impressive for something like 4 hours old. Kudos to everyone on that.

As for the trade, the Falcons really made a statement. They're a team that is going to be pretty dangerous next year.

dunagan15
04-23-2009, 05:06 PM
YAAAAAAAAA!!!! FALCONSSSSSS!!!!! FTW!!!!!

Ok sorry. Had to do it. I think the trade works well for both teams. Considering the Falcons are a team that can win now and just completed our offense for the next couple years and the Chiefs who are rebuilding (and doing a good job at it).

Ya you dont get a pick next year but at worst the pick is 8 spots lower than the 1 this year, so basically you are banking that next years draft is much deepr, which it will be.

Good for both teams. Just a little better for the FALCONS!!!!!

D-Unit
04-23-2009, 05:20 PM
I'm actually pretty surprised that Chiefs fans aren't happy with the trade value.

Tony was gone the moment Pioli became GM. Tony is a child of the previous regime. Pioli is coming in to start everything a new. Tony's influence in the lookerroom and on the team is too rooted. Pioli has no choice if he wanted to move forward. Look what Parcells has done. Threw Emmitt out of Dallas. Threw Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas out of Miami. Pioli comes from the same school... the school that Parcells taught.

This is the best football move for the Chiefs to ultimately make a change for the better.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a trade down and see them draft Pettigrew now.

Vox Populi
04-23-2009, 05:31 PM
Chiefs should have waited a week to send this through. It wouldn't look as bad after the draft is over.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 05:34 PM
Not with your defense. Chiefs fans know first hand that without a defense a killer offense won't mean ****. This trade doesn't help that and it just hurts your ability to fix the defense in the long run.

yeah cuz our D is as bad as the Chiefs..

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 05:36 PM
Chiefs should have waited a week to send this through. It wouldn't look as bad after the draft is over.

No, because if Pettigrew is available in the draft the Falcons most likely would have selected him.

vidae
04-23-2009, 05:45 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to see a trade down and see them draft Pettigrew now.

We have much bigger needs on this team than TE. We drafted Brad Cottam in the 3rd round last year and Tony raved about him and his ability. We need OLB/DE/OT way more than TE, that's for sure.

kmartin575
04-23-2009, 06:04 PM
Yeah, the eleventh ranked scoring defense is absolutely dreadful.

Right.

We've only lost weak links on the defense and it is very young. This draft will only improve it.

Yeah, since throwing draft picks at a problem is a guarantee to improve it.

You also go from having the 24th toughest schedule in 2008 to the 3rd toughest schedule in 2009.

My money is on Atlanta regressing this year.

eazyb81
04-23-2009, 06:04 PM
KC fans need to relax. We lost Marvin Harrison for NOTHING. Even players that have been on one franchise for over a decade can still leave, and you can at least feel good that you got compensation for him.

There are only like 2 Chiefs fans on here bitching, and on Chiefs message boards the large majority of people are happy with the trade.

kmartin575
04-23-2009, 06:05 PM
yeah cuz our D is as bad as the Chiefs..

We're not the ones who are expecting to win now are we? I don't think so.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 06:05 PM
Yeah, since throwing draft picks at a problem is a guarantee to improve it.

You also go from having the 24th toughest schedule in 2008 to the 3rd toughest schedule in 2009.

My money is on Atlanta regressing this year.

Well then you're an idiot. Congratulations!

eazyb81
04-23-2009, 06:06 PM
yeah cuz our D is as bad as the Chiefs..

He was referring to when KC had the best offense in the league a few years back and still didn't win sh#t.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 06:07 PM
Yeah, since throwing draft picks at a problem is a guarantee to improve it.

You also go from having the 24th toughest schedule in 2008 to the 3rd toughest schedule in 2009.

My money is on Atlanta regressing this year.

werent you the one who said that we shoulda kept that 2nd rounder an draft for D?
now you're saying throwing draft picks at a problem is a guarantee to improve it..

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 06:10 PM
He was referring to when KC had the best offense in the league a few years back and still didn't win sh#t.

our D is better then the Chiefs D was

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 06:14 PM
werent you the one who said that we shoulda kept that 2nd rounder an draft for D?
now you're saying throwing draft picks at a problem is a guarantee to improve it..

Haha.

I guess his inferiority complex is preventing him from realising what he posted.

vidae
04-23-2009, 07:05 PM
There are only like 2 Chiefs fans on here bitching, and on Chiefs message boards the large majority of people are happy with the trade.

To be fair, I'm not really "bitching".. it does suck that Tony is gone but I do think it's better for the future and better for Tony himself. He deserved a shot at the playoffs/a ring but from purely a fan standpoint, it'll be weird seeing him in anything other than a Chiefs jersey.

art vandelay
04-23-2009, 07:10 PM
Alright, now Pettigrew to the Bills at 28?? Would be nice!

CC.SD
04-23-2009, 07:12 PM
Well then you're an idiot. Congratulations!

Why does that make him an idiot? Strength of schedule is for real and draft picks aren't exactly a guarantee. I think Atlanta will be a good team but it's not for sure. Nothing's for sure in a tough division with a rough schedule.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 07:16 PM
Why does that make him an idiot? Strength of schedule is for real and draft picks aren't exactly a guarantee. I think Atlanta will be a good team but it's not for sure. Nothing's for sure in a tough division with a rough schedule.

Strength of schedule is not for real. The natural ebb and flow of the league ensures that one year won't be the same as the next.

And while I realize that arguement can be used against the Falcons, we lack the characteristics of choke teams. The Falcons don't have many, if any disruptive players. We don't have the aging quarterback, or the injury prone franchise player.

I'm relatively confident we get at least ten wins in the regular season.

Chucky
04-23-2009, 07:22 PM
Strength of schedule is not for real. The natural ebb and flow of the league ensures that one year won't be the same as the next.

And while I realize that arguement can be used against the Falcons, we lack the characteristics of choke teams. The Falcons don't have many, if any disruptive players. We don't have the aging quarterback, or the injury prone franchise player.

I'm relatively confident we get at least ten wins in the regular season.

But you had an overachieving O-line, your best defensive player is old and injury prone(Abraham), you lost your best/second best corner( Foxworth and houston are very close), you lost two LB's including one of your team leaders(even if he is ****).

jth1331
04-23-2009, 07:27 PM
Yeah, the eleventh ranked scoring defense is absolutely dreadful.

Right.

We've only lost weak links on the defense and it is very young. This draft will only improve it.

How about ranked 24th in yards allowed, 25th in rushing yards allowed, 21st in pass defense. While only having 18 turnovers, even the Lions had more turnovers than that.
I mean, you guys already had a top 5 offense with a good foundation of a good WR, good QB, good RB and a good OL. Why the need for a TE?

Yeah, since throwing draft picks at a problem is a guarantee to improve it.

You also go from having the 24th toughest schedule in 2008 to the 3rd toughest schedule in 2009.

My money is on Atlanta regressing this year.

I see Atlanta not being as good record wise as it was last year, but in terms of being a better team overall, that is debateable, depends on how that defense does.

And Kansas City had an amazing offense back in 2003, but their defense sucked balls and they lost in the playoffs.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 07:31 PM
But you had an overachieving O-line, your best defensive player is old and injury prone(Abraham), you lost your best/second best corner( Foxworth and houston are very close), you lost two LB's including one of your team leaders(even if he is ****).

Our offensive line was great all season, not sure if it was overachieving. And either way Blalock and Baker are two outstanding young prospects who should only get better. The entire line isn't aging. Just because they lacked high profile names doesn't mean they overachieved, they just performed well. 17 sacks allowed I believe, and second in the NFL in rushing.

Abraham is a huge concern of mine, not so much for age as for durability. That is why a pass rusher is such a huge priority at the moment. If he stays healthy I feel good.

I would say Houston is and was our best cornerback, but Foxworth was good. We are still deep at the position with Houston, Chevis Jackson, Brent Grimes, Von Hutchins (injured last season), and a couple young guys. It is a bit worrisome, though.

Not worried about losing Brooking.

bored of education
04-23-2009, 07:31 PM
Abraham has yet to prove that heh can play as well as he did for more than one year. Teams now have more film on Matt Ryan, who by historical measures had a fluke season, will he get better or worse you can't predict either. Will Michael Turner repeat what he did?

Just saying. More went right lucky and player wise than wrong.

I think it's a great trade for both teams. 55 this year <<<< 55 next year. It's hard to project strength of draft but right now this one looks weaker than next year's, but we shall see.

Splat
04-23-2009, 07:32 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/859321.html

"The Falcons and Chiefs may not be done dealing. Per a league source, Pioli and fellow Atlanta GM Thomas Dimitroff (a former Patriots executive), may be looking to help each other out. Based on rumblings we're hearing from WFSM in Atlanta, the Chiefs and Falcons may still be working on a deal that could send defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307441) to Atlanta for the 24th overall and 90th overall selections."

I'm not buying it do to the huge cap hit the Chiefs would have to take.

T-RICH49
04-23-2009, 07:34 PM
http://kan.scout.com/2/859321.html

"The Falcons and Chiefs may not be done dealing. Per a league source, Pioli and fellow Atlanta GM Thomas Dimitroff (a former Patriots executive), may be looking to help each other out. Based on rumblings we're hearing from WFSM in Atlanta, the Chiefs and Falcons may still be working on a deal that could send defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=4307441) to Atlanta for the 24th overall and 90th overall selections."

I'm not buying it do to the huge cap hit the Chiefs would have to take.

and why not ship Bowe as well since we want to send away all our good players

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 07:34 PM
How about ranked 24th in yards allowed, 25th in rushing yards allowed, 21st in pass defense. While only having 18 turnovers, even the Lions had more turnovers than that.
I mean, you guys already had a top 5 offense with a good foundation of a good WR, good QB, good RB and a good OL. Why the need for a TE?

Yards don't get wins. Not directly. That takes points. We played a bend but don't break defense last season. While it wasn't amazing, it definitely was not bad to the level some make it seem.

Because a top young quarterback should be surrounded with as many weapons as possible, and getting the top tight end in the game for a second round pick is a good deal for a team attempting to win the Superbowl.

I see Atlanta not being as good record wise as it was last year, but in terms of being a better team overall, that is debateable, depends on how that defense does.

And Kansas City had an amazing offense back in 2003, but their defense sucked balls and they lost in the playoffs.

I don't see it. We could be 9-7, but I only see that happening with some bad luck or injury. 10-6 or better is my guess.

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 07:35 PM
I would be very, very happy if we got Dorsey for a first and third round draft pick.

Chucky
04-23-2009, 07:37 PM
Our offensive line was great all season, not sure if it was overachieving. And either way Blalock and Baker are two outstanding young prospects who should only get better. The entire line isn't aging. Just because they lacked high profile names doesn't mean they overachieved, they just performed well. 17 sacks allowed I believe, and second in the NFL in rushing.

Abraham is a huge concern of mine, not so much for age as for durability. That is why a pass rusher is such a huge priority at the moment. If he stays healthy I feel good.

I would say Houston is and was our best cornerback, but Foxworth was good. We are still deep at the position with Houston, Chevis Jackson, Brent Grimes, Von Hutchins (injured last season), and a couple young guys. It is a bit worrisome, though.

Not worried about losing Brooking.

Sam Baker hasnt shown the toughness or ability to withstand a year in the NFL and I dont see him staying healthy this year either.

In regards to CB, if houston is your number 1(a weak number 1) and then you got jackson, grimes and hutchins while it may be "deep" it is full of weak players.


With all the previous problems on top of the fact that Turner is coming off an absurd amount of carries you still think the Falcons will get 10 wins?

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 07:45 PM
Sam Baker hasnt shown the toughness or ability to withstand a year in the NFL and I dont see him staying healthy this year either.

In regards to CB, if houston is your number 1(a weak number 1) and then you got jackson, grimes and hutchins while it may be "deep" it is full of weak players.


With all the previous problems on top of the fact that Turner is coming off an absurd amount of carries you still think the Falcons will get 10 wins?

Baker did show the ability. He was excellent until the injury.

Houston is not a weak number one. Check the completion percentage against him last season, it was great on his part. He is great on short routes, just struggles a bit back to the ball.

Michael Turner won't get 370 carries this season, and he has only 604 career carries. He's still very, very fresh. No worries with him.

Chucky
04-23-2009, 07:49 PM
Baker did show the ability. He was excellent until the injury.

Houston is not a weak number one. Check the completion percentage against him last season, it was great on his part. He is great on short routes, just struggles a bit back to the ball.

Michael Turner won't get 370 carries this season, and he has only 604 career carries. He's still very, very fresh. No worries with him.


I would not put Houston in the top 25 corners in the league, so in my eyes that would make him a weak number one.

Why wont Turner get 370 carries this year or close to it. They didnt seem interested in giving norwood many carries last year and I dont see why it changes this year

bored of education
04-23-2009, 07:51 PM
Baker did show the ability. He was excellent until the injury.

Houston is not a weak number one. Check the completion percentage against him last season, it was great on his part. He is great on short routes, just struggles a bit back to the ball.

Michael Turner won't get 370 carries this season, and he has only 604 career carries. He's still very, very fresh. No worries with him.

before larry johnson's 400 carry season he had like 570 carries in his career. turner has only had like 200-300 before this year. but i dont see him going nuts again this season.

i can see 1200 but not 1500 plus

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 07:59 PM
I would not put Houston in the top 25 corners in the league, so in my eyes that would make him a weak number one.

Why wont Turner get 370 carries this year or close to it. They didnt seem interested in giving norwood many carries last year and I dont see why it changes this year

I would.

Because the coaching staff knows better, and Matt Ryan will pass the ball more often. Roddy White, Gonzalez, Jenkins, Norwood, etc will need their touches as well.

before larry johnson's 400 carry season he had like 570 carries in his career. turner has only had like 200-300 before this year. but i dont see him going nuts again this season.

i can see 1200 but not 1500 plus

That's true, but Johnson's season was on a different level carry wise (475 touches in the regular season and postseason) compared to Turner's (402 touches in the regular season and postseason).

And, as I sure you know as a Chiefs fan, Larry Johnson just didn't/ doesn't care once he got the money. Michael Turner isn't like that.

ATLDirtyBirds
04-23-2009, 08:04 PM
Abraham has yet to prove that heh can play as well as he did for more than one year. Teams now have more film on Matt Ryan, who by historical measures had a fluke season, will he get better or worse you can't predict either. Will Michael Turner repeat what he did?

Just saying. More went right lucky and player wise than wrong.

I think it's a great trade for both teams. 55 this year <<<< 55 next year. It's hard to project strength of draft but right now this one looks weaker than next year's, but we shall see.


Abraham has played 16 games the last two seasons. He's been better at missing games ever since he did a core training regiment a few years back so that groin didn't give him problems. Not to mention he took a cut-back on snaps seen. It's hard to call one of the greatest rookie QB seasons ever a fluke. I mean you can since it's 1 season of a 1 year career, but it's just silly. Turner isn't seeing as many carries. FO has already stated it, and you've got to believe with a legit TE now along with Matt is season 2 there will be less running and more passing.

Chucky
04-23-2009, 08:10 PM
I would.





1.Nnamdi 2. Champ 3. Revis 4. Woodsen 5. Chris Gamble 6. Charles Tillman 7.Winfield 8. Rashean Mathis 9. Cortland Finnegan 10. DRC 11.Ron Bartell 12.Asante Samuel 13. Sheldon Brown 14. Terrence Newman 15. Corey Webster 16. Quentin Jammer 17. Antonio Cromartie (had a down year but still better 18. Deangelo Hall 19. Carlos Rogers 20. Al Harris 21. Nate Clements 22.Dunta Robinson 23. Brandon Flowers 24. Ike Taylor 25. Ellis Hobbs


That was easy and I am sure I forgot a few.

EDIT- that list is not in any order just who popped into my mind

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:12 PM
the more i read an hear about this trade, the more i love it

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:14 PM
1.Nnamdi 2. Champ 3. Revis 4. Woodsen 5. Chris Gamble 6. Charles Tillman 7.Winfield 8. Rashean Mathis 9. Cortland Finnegan 10. DRC 11.Ron Bartell 12.Asante Samuel 13. Sheldon Brown 14. Terrence Newman 15. Corey Webster 16. Quentin Jammer 17. Antonio Cromartie (had a down year but still better 18. Deangelo Hall 19. Carlos Rogers 20. Al Harris 21. Nate Clements 22.Dunta Robinson 23. Brandon Flowers 24. Ike Taylor 25. Ellis Hobbs


That was easy and I am sure I forgot a few.

EDIT- that list is not in any order just who popped into my mind

Bartell? ha!
DRC? ha!
Hall? ha!!
Flowers? ha!
Hobbs? ha!

Chucky
04-23-2009, 08:18 PM
Bartell? ha!
DRC? ha!
Hall? ha!!
Flowers? ha!
Hobbs? ha!

I would easily take all those players over Houston except maybe Hobbs, but if you want add in Terrence McGee to replace Hobbs

Splat
04-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Flowers? ha!!

O no you didn't.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:20 PM
I would easily take all those players over Houston except maybe Hobbs, but if you want add in Terrence McGee to replace Hobbs

i would easily take Houston over those guys.
i guess thats jus me

bored of education
04-23-2009, 08:20 PM
Flowers is A LOT better than Houston. No offense pal. Remember the pass rush that ATL had and KC had and the pressure on the secondary. K thanks!

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:21 PM
O no you didn't.

sorryyyy :(

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:22 PM
Flowers is A LOT better than Houston. No offense pal. Remember the pass rush that ATL had and KC had and the pressure on the secondary. K thanks!

K welcome!

bored of education
04-23-2009, 08:23 PM
K welcome!

You can't sleep at night thinking Houston is better than Flowers. I joke alot about Bowe and Derrick Johnson being studs. But Flowers was a legit top 15-20 overall CB in the NFL last year on a team with the worst pass rushing D ever.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:29 PM
You can't sleep at night thinking Houston is better than Flowers. I joke alot about Bowe and Derrick Johnson being studs. But Flowers was a legit top 15-20 overall CB in the NFL last year on a team with the worst pass rushing D ever.

i actually sleep pretty well at night.
an i didnt say that Flowers wasn't good, id jus prefer Houston over him

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 08:31 PM
You can't sleep at night thinking Houston is better than Flowers. I joke alot about Bowe and Derrick Johnson being studs. But Flowers was a legit top 15-20 overall CB in the NFL last year on a team with the worst pass rushing D ever.

And I've said it many times, he is Nnamdi's successor as the top cornerback in the NFL. Great in every sense of the word.

1.Nnamdi 2. Champ 3. Revis 4. Woodsen 5. Chris Gamble 6. Charles Tillman 7.Winfield 8. Rashean Mathis 9. Cortland Finnegan 10. DRC 11.Ron Bartell 12.Asante Samuel 13. Sheldon Brown 14. Terrence Newman 15. Corey Webster 16. Quentin Jammer 17. Antonio Cromartie (had a down year but still better 18. Deangelo Hall 19. Carlos Rogers 20. Al Harris 21. Nate Clements 22.Dunta Robinson 23. Brandon Flowers 24. Ike Taylor 25. Ellis Hobbs


That was easy and I am sure I forgot a few.

EDIT- that list is not in any order just who popped into my mind

Houston is very underrated at this point due to a bad rookie season, and I'd put him right with a few of those players. Not a definite top 25 guy, but he is in contention.

bored of education
04-23-2009, 08:32 PM
i actually sleep pretty well at night.
an i didnt say that Flowers wasn't good, id jus prefer Houston over him

Would you say the same if Flowers was on your team and Houston was on KC and flowers getting torched in week 15 for over 100 yards and giving up a touchdown while Houston didn't give up a touchdown in coverage AT ALL as a ROOKIE on the worst pass rushing d ever?

thanks bye.

Chucky
04-23-2009, 08:33 PM
Houston is very underrated at this point due to a bad rookie season, and I'd put him right with a few of those players. Not a definite top 25 guy, but he is in contention.

I just really dont see him with any of those guys, i would put him in the next tier after those guys with players like Cason, Talib and Ross. I dont think he is close to number 1 corner yet and the Falcons **** corner will have and effect on them this year without foxworth

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:34 PM
Would you say the same if Flowers was on your team and Houston was on KC and flowers getting torched in week 15 for over 100 yards and giving up a touchdown while Houston didn't give up a touchdown in coverage AT ALL as a ROOKIE on the worst pass rushing d ever?

thanks bye.

yeah cuz one bad game makes him horrible, i forgot about that.


welcome bye.

Chucky
04-23-2009, 08:38 PM
yeah cuz one bad game makes him horrible, i forgot about that.


welcome bye.

but what makes Houston better than Flowers(other than that he plays on your beloved Falcons)

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 08:39 PM
I just really dont see him with any of those guys, i would put him in the next tier after those guys with players like Cason, Talib and Ross. I dont think he is close to number 1 corner yet and the Falcons **** corner will have and effect on them this year without foxworth

Like I said, he's underrated.

He may not provide as many big plays as a lot of those guys, but his coverage is better.

Same deal as Ike Taylor, who is one of the top three or four corners in the NFL. Cornerbacks who don't get a ton of pick don't get a ton of respect from fans.

I'd put Houston right with DRC, Antonio Cromartie, Carlos Rodgers, Al Harris, and Ellis Hobbs.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:43 PM
but what makes Houston better than Flowers(other than that he plays on your beloved Falcons)

hes a really physical corner (which i love in a CB)
he's not flashy but hes great in coverage. Hes got good size too

*i am extremely tired so if im not putting up a good argument then sorry*

Chucky
04-23-2009, 08:45 PM
hes a really physical corner (which i love in a CB)
he's not flashy but hes great in coverage. Hes got good size too

*i am extremely tired so if im not putting up a good argument then sorry*

Flowers is also very physical, great in coverage, and also has great size. And Flowers played better last year with no pass ursh.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:48 PM
Flowers is also very physical, great in coverage, and also has great size. And Flowers played better last year with no pass ursh.

not as physical as ma man houston! :)

ATLDirtyBirds
04-23-2009, 08:49 PM
So... Tony Gonzalez. Good ****.

Chucky
04-23-2009, 08:49 PM
not as physical as ma man houston! :)

Have you actually seen Brandon Flowers play?

BamaFalcon59
04-23-2009, 08:50 PM
Flowers is also very physical, great in coverage, and also has great size. And Flowers played better last year with no pass ursh.

Neither Houston nor Flowers have even good size. Flowers is undersized.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:50 PM
So... Tony Gonzalez. Good ****.

hahahaha
time to get back on topic

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:51 PM
Have you actually seen Brandon Flowers play?

i don't really pay attention to the bad teams. sorry.

bored of education
04-23-2009, 08:54 PM
i don't really pay attention to the bad teams. sorry.

you just started paying attention the the Falcons last year then?

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 08:57 PM
you just started paying attention the the Falcons last year then?

naw, ive been a fan since vick got drafted

Splat
04-23-2009, 09:06 PM
i don't really pay attention to the bad teams. sorry.

So you didn't even watch the Chiefs play but you know your guy is a better CB then Flowers?

How do you know then might I ask?

d34ng3l021
04-23-2009, 09:17 PM
This is ridiculous now.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 09:42 PM
So you didn't even watch the Chiefs play but you know your guy is a better CB then Flowers?

How do you know then might I ask?

i jus said i liked him more..

LonghornsLegend
04-23-2009, 10:05 PM
And I've said it many times, he is Nnamdi's successor as the top cornerback in the NFL. Great in every sense of the word.



Flowers is good, but it seems like you always have to overrate Falcon or VT players to the highest extent...Yes those guys are good, but you always want to rush to make them the best at their position, Flowers doesn't even deserve to have his name mentioned anywhere near Aso, especially talking about the top DB in the entire NFL.


Can he at least play two seasons? The guy is good no doubt about it, but you love overrating your favorite players to the fullest extent and instantly make them the best at their respective positions.

d34ng3l021
04-23-2009, 10:07 PM
Flowers is good, but it seems like you always have to overrate Falcon or VT players to the highest extent...Yes those guys are good, but you always want to rush to make them the best at their position, Flowers doesn't even deserve to have his name mentioned anywhere near Aso, especially talking about the top DB in the entire NFL.


Can he at least play two seasons? The guy is good no doubt about it, but you love overrating your favorite players to the fullest extent and instantly make them the best at their respective positions.

Especially because they don't even have the same time of play. How can he be the successor to the man shutdown CB Nnamdi (im not saying he isnt good at zone) when Flowers plays very well in a Cover 2? Maybe I am looking into it too literally.

vidae
04-23-2009, 10:09 PM
So we're about to turn the 5th overall pick from a single year ago into the 24th and 90th picks this year? Seriously?

Awesome.

SimonRath
04-23-2009, 10:11 PM
So we're about to turn the 5th overall pick from a single year ago into the 24th and 90th picks this year? Seriously?

Awesome.

please do it :)

Nalej
04-23-2009, 10:52 PM
please do it :)

LMFAO!



Matt Ryan=Pro Bowl
If not, then he got robbed or he disappointed

BamaFalcon59
04-24-2009, 12:07 AM
Especially because they don't even have the same time of play. How can he be the successor to the man shutdown CB Nnamdi (im not saying he isnt good at zone) when Flowers plays very well in a Cover 2? Maybe I am looking into it too literally.

Flowers wasn't an exclusive zone corner last season, and in college he played the boundary cornerback position. That is the predominantly man coverage cornerback spot.

The zone talk only started due to his hitting prowess and lack of timed speed.

BamaFalcon59
04-24-2009, 12:17 AM
Flowers is good, but it seems like you always have to overrate Falcon or VT players to the highest extent...Yes those guys are good, but you always want to rush to make them the best at their position, Flowers doesn't even deserve to have his name mentioned anywhere near Aso, especially talking about the top DB in the entire NFL.


Can he at least play two seasons? The guy is good no doubt about it, but you love overrating your favorite players to the fullest extent and instantly make them the best at their respective positions.

Like who?

The only ones who I may overrate slightly are Flowers and DHall.

And in the future I will be all over the draft prospects of S Kam Chancellor (Sr.), DE Jason Worilds (Jr.), CB Eddie Whitley (So.), RB Ryan Williams (r-Fr), and NT Nick Acree (HS Sr.).

Some other players have definite potential to get into that group, but I try to limit it to one per year.

Whitley is going to be the best VT cornerback since Flowers, FYI.

Flyboy
04-24-2009, 12:30 AM
So we're about to turn the 5th overall pick from a single year ago into the 24th and 90th picks this year? Seriously?

Awesome.

Nice going, KC!

Wow...

d34ng3l021
04-24-2009, 12:47 AM
Hah. I dare teams to stack against the run again with Gonzalez, White, and a more developed Matt Ryan. Michael Turner may not have the same number of yards, but I won't be surprised if he becomes a more efficient runner. He was great against regular 7 man fronts.

TonyGfortheTD
04-24-2009, 03:06 AM
Sorry, but I don't see Dorsey going anywhere unless Pioli thinks he just plain sucks or a team is willing to offer more than they should to get him. First, the Chiefs aren't going to a full-blown 3-4 alignment yet. Second, nobody even knows how he'd fare in a 3-4.

A low first rounder and a 3rd likely won't cut it.

Caddy
04-24-2009, 04:08 AM
Sounds like a decent move for the Falcons. They obviously feel they are in a position to compete well into the playoffs (not my opinion, but one the team should have I suppose) and Gonzalez should definitely help out with that.

nepg
04-24-2009, 11:13 AM
Sorry, but I don't see Dorsey going anywhere unless Pioli thinks he just plain sucks or a team is willing to offer more than they should to get him. First, the Chiefs aren't going to a full-blown 3-4 alignment yet. Second, nobody even knows how he'd fare in a 3-4.

A low first rounder and a 3rd likely won't cut it.

First & third would be a steal for the Chiefs (and not a terrible move for the Falcons).

He's got a bad back, and doesn't fit what the direction they want to go with the team. They don't like his chances in a 3-4, so they should get rid of him ASAP before teams figure out how injury-prone he is and how short of a career he's likely to have.

If they can get a first and a third from the Falcons and trade back from #3 at least once, they'll be looking really good.
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LonghornsLegend
04-24-2009, 11:24 AM
At this point you have to throw his draft stock out of the window, it means nothing now...There are top 10 bust every year and it's nothing new, changing schemes to one he didn't already fit, isn't going to help him when he struggled in the 4-3 last year(which he was still playing out of position).


It's all about perceptions and everyone sees him as a top 5 pick a year ago, but in 3 years if he's rotting on the bench and a bust that doesn't help the team, everyone will say how stupid they were because they could of ended up with some combination of Jarron Gilbert and Jasper Brinkley.


If you get two guys who end up starters and fit your scheme, it's a great trade, I know the perception of it will look bad and they'll get killed but it makes alot of sense if you know he isn't a good fit...I'd probably shop him around though and see what the market is, why just give him to ATL when you know they wanted him last year? Somebody else will likely jump in the bidding.

Shiver
04-25-2009, 03:33 AM
A pass catching TE and a 2nd legitimate option was the only thing missing from the Falcons' offense last year. Now it's up to Matt Ryan to improve, which he no doubt will.

What will make or break it for the Falcons is the defense. I am not sold yet; there are a lot of young guys that need to step up, especially in the secondary. Hopefully they bolster the D-Line through the draft.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
04-25-2009, 03:43 AM
Not that I am a Chiefs fan or anything, but he is an NFL Icon in my book. I dont know that seeing him in another uniform is gonna be easy for me. He has been doing it for a long time. Wasnt it all too normal to see him doing his thing on Sports Center? What the heck is the world coming too? Emmit in a Cardinals Jersey. Farve in a Jets Jersey. Now Tony G in a Falcons Jersey? Dogs and cats sleeping together, man...

Splat
04-25-2009, 10:06 AM
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