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D-Unit
04-24-2009, 10:00 PM
Just Saw It Across The Screen!

Good Luck Lions. Just just got a bad "Staff" infection. :p

ViperVisor
04-24-2009, 10:01 PM
Mort

41 mil is guaranteed

princefielder28
04-24-2009, 10:02 PM
$41 million guaranteed is ALOT!

MetSox17
04-24-2009, 10:02 PM
Holy hell that's a **** ton of money.

bored of education
04-24-2009, 10:03 PM
MVP. Will lead them to a 6-10 record. Best of luck to Stafford

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:04 PM
Wow, I guess Aaron Curry's willingness to sign at a reduced price did little to temper the Stafford contract.

Ah well, it is what I wanted in terms of the pick.

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 10:04 PM
I'm so happy and full of glee.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:05 PM
Poor Lions...

draftguru151
04-24-2009, 10:06 PM
And P-L has the biggest smile ever right now.

Strongside
04-24-2009, 10:06 PM
Great pick. Glad they didn't get caught up in all this pre-draft garbage. STAFFORD TO JOHNSON

bored of education
04-24-2009, 10:06 PM
And P-L has the biggest smile ever right now.
*smile ;)

yay lions my 4th fav team!

eaglesalltheway
04-24-2009, 10:06 PM
Good move for them, I personally like Stafford. I would've liked the move if they signed anyone early, that way they get out of contract disputes and can get him in there straight for work. Good work Lions!!! I really hope he ends up working out for you guys, even I'm tired of making fun of them...

eaglesalltheway
04-24-2009, 10:07 PM
And P-L has the biggest smile ever right now.

He isn't jsut smiling, he's spankin it right now...

D-Unit
04-24-2009, 10:08 PM
He isn't jsut smiling, he's spankin it right now...
hahahahhahahahhahaa..... crackin' me up. :p

Scott Wright
04-24-2009, 10:09 PM
Now they just need to develop him properly...

619
04-24-2009, 10:10 PM
Poor Lions...

Stafford is the best possible fit there so I applaud the move and the fact they actually got him signed, albeit to a hefty contract. Sanchez to STL!

SRK85
04-24-2009, 10:10 PM
Yea now the lions actually have a good qb now they need to build a real team around him.

Hurricanes25
04-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Great move for them. I WISH COULD GET $41 MILLION GUARANTEED MONEY.

akvikefan89
04-24-2009, 10:11 PM
No surprise. At least I'm certain to get 1 pick in my mock right :D

Nalej
04-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Good luck, Detroit. Seriously.
I hope Staff to CJ becomes a Top Ten reoccurance

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Now they just need to develop him properly...

Scott, thoughts on the price tag?

High, low, just right?

draftguru151
04-24-2009, 10:12 PM
According to a source, Stafford will receive a six-year, $41.7 million deal that could be worth $78 million if he achieves all of his playing incentives. The source also said he will receive $41.7 million in guarantees.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4097641

eaglesalltheway
04-24-2009, 10:13 PM
Yea now the lions actually have a good qb now they need to build a real team around him.

Surprisingly, they may be closer than some people think. They need to address both lines, for sure. But at least their offense has a good chance at becoming successful with the young nucleus of Stafford, Megatron, and Smith.

D-Unit
04-24-2009, 10:14 PM
Scott, thoughts on the price tag?

High, low, just right?
The price tag is right. The player is wrong.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:15 PM
The price tag is right. The player is wrong.

I'd love for you to elaborate.

You can't seriously be suggesting it be Curry, can you?

TitanHope
04-24-2009, 10:16 PM
Use deh Schwartz, Stafford!!!

ironman4579
04-24-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm very happy right now. The price is pretty high, but at least I can stop worrying about Curry now.

On a side note, I heard on NFL radio last night that the NFL changed the rules from last year, and apparently now that the Lions have signed Stafford, the Rams can actually negotiate and sign the #2 pick, or even begin to shop it around now if they like.

GhostDeini
04-24-2009, 10:16 PM
Stafford to Mega all day ! Now they should package # 20 & # 33 to some team for Andre Smith.

jnew76
04-24-2009, 10:16 PM
Tom Condon has got to be happy that he got a million more than Haynesworth did in guaranteed money. I am sure that is why 41 million is the number.

jayceheathman
04-24-2009, 10:16 PM
The price tag is right. The player is wrong.

So true. They could have signed their franchise QB in Chase Holbrook for $500,000

TACKLE
04-24-2009, 10:16 PM
$41.7 million!!!

Where does it stop?

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:17 PM
Stafford to Mega all day ! Now they should package # 20 & # 33 to some team for Andre Smith.

HELL NO! http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gifhttp://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:18 PM
HELL NO! http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gifhttp://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif

Why, exactly, wouldn't you want the best (in terms of on-field talent) OT in this draft?

ironman4579
04-24-2009, 10:19 PM
Stafford to Mega all day ! Now they should package # 20 & # 33 to some team for Andre Smith.

I'll package my balls to your forehead if you keep talking like that!

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 10:19 PM
Why, exactly, wouldn't you want the best (in terms of on-field talent) OT in this draft?

Because there are bigger needs to address with the 20th and 33rd picks, like DT and ILB, and Backus can still be decent next to an actual left guard.

bored of education
04-24-2009, 10:20 PM
Why, exactly, wouldn't you want the best (in terms of on-field talent) OT in this draft?

because you had to put that in parentheses makes me not want him unless he falls to 15 ish area

ironman4579
04-24-2009, 10:20 PM
Why, exactly, wouldn't you want the best (in terms of on-field talent) OT in this draft?

Too many holes to be packaging 2 picks IMO.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:20 PM
Because there are bigger needs to address with the 20th and 33rd picks, like DT and ILB, and Backus can still be decent next to an actual left guard.

No need to elaborate further. The Lions have a lot of needs. And OT isn't in the top 3, IMO.

Strongside
04-24-2009, 10:21 PM
If anything the Lions should move down. Every second round pick they make will probably be an immediate starter.

GhostDeini
04-24-2009, 10:21 PM
Andre Smith is the best ot in the draft. Who was Jason Smith week 1 of college football season ? And did anyone watch Eugene Monroe vs. USC ? That guy was so intimidated it was pathetic.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:22 PM
Because there are bigger needs to address with the 20th and 33rd picks, like DT and ILB, and Backus can still be decent next to an actual left guard.

A MLB in a 4-3 can be had much later on. Also, your shiny new $41.7 million (are you ******* kidding me? What is an elite QB that's done something in college going to get?) toy won't be much without people blocking for him.

Brent
04-24-2009, 10:22 PM
whatever you do, don't "alex smith" the guy. LET HIM SIT ON THE BENCH.

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 10:26 PM
A MLB in a 4-3 can be had much later on. Also, your shiny new $41.7 million (are you ******* kidding me? What is an elite QB that's done something in college going to get?) toy won't be much without people blocking for him.

So basically lose a chance at getting a top five DT prospect and a good ILB so the team can draft a position which it may not need? There are three potentially decent starters on the line, and the guard positions can be addressed later in the draft. I understand the fact that an ILB can be had later, but the team doesn't need a LT THAT much.

BrownsTown
04-24-2009, 10:27 PM
Drafting QB high and getting an OT in the 20s? Preposterous! The Falcons proved last year that that plan is terrible.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2009, 10:28 PM
I'm so glad Dallas doesnt have to shell out cash like that for a rook. geez.

Anyway, sigs disabled...we're getting close boys! :D This little Stafford news gave me chills actually when I first saw it. I'm psyched for tomorrow.

Calvin & Kevin
04-24-2009, 10:28 PM
Thank God they didn't end up taking Curry. I just had these terrible visions of paying Jake Long's contract to a fair-to-decent MLB. He would have had to be Ray Lewis and then some to live up to that money.

But now it's:

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/psyoxide/stafford-1.gif


Go Matthew Stafford. Be great. Work hard and keep your head on straight. Go to the draft tomorrow and get your pub, then get your ass to Allen Park and start lifting weights and reading the playbook. Might not hurt to buy your offensive linemen some Rolexes and 78" plasmas either.

M.O.T.H.
04-24-2009, 10:29 PM
whatever you do, don't "alex smith" the guy. LET HIM SIT ON THE BENCH.

Dont worry, Mayhew has a man crush on Culpepper.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:30 PM
Drafting QB high and getting an OT in the 20s? Preposterous! The Falcons proved last year that that plan is terrible.

Believe me, if any of the top 4 OT's were there at 20, I'd be all over that pick, but trading up isn't the best route for us.

Ness
04-24-2009, 10:31 PM
The money issue aside, good selection Detroit.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:31 PM
Thank God they didn't end up taking Curry. I just had these terrible visions of paying Jake Long's contract to a fair-to-decent MLB. He would have had to be Ray Lewis and then some to live up to that money.

But now it's:

http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt62/psyoxide/stafford-1.gif


Go Matthew Stafford. Be great. Work hard and keep your head on straight. Go to the draft tomorrow and get your pub, then get your ass to Allen Park and start lifting weights and reading the playbook. Might not hurt to buy your offensive linemen some Rolexes and 78" plasmas either.

He's gonna wear 17?

yeats
04-24-2009, 10:31 PM
So basically lose a chance at getting a top five DT prospect and a good ILB so the team can draft a position which it may not need? There are three potentially decent starters on the line, and the guard positions can be addressed later in the draft. I understand the fact that an ILB can be had later, but the team doesn't need a LT THAT much.

lions gave up the second most sacks last year with 52. dont be so naive

BrownsTown
04-24-2009, 10:31 PM
Believe me, if any of the top 4 OT's were there at 20, I'd be all over that pick, but trading up isn't the best route for us.

Grab Beatty or Britton. Worthy of picks in the 20s for sure. Britton and Stafford is better than Smith and uhhh Rhett Bomar or whoever they would be forced to take later. Unless they want Freeman then they HAVE to trade up.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:32 PM
So basically lose a chance at getting a top five DT prospect and a good ILB so the team can draft a position which it may not need?

When you go 0-16, can you really say you may not need ANY POSITION? The Lions finished second-worst in the league in sacks allowed and third-worst in yards per carry, and you're telling me you don't need another OL? Hey, whatever, you're the Lions fan. I'll take your word for it.

SRK85
04-24-2009, 10:32 PM
Stafford will be fine let him sit on the bench for a year behind Kitna learn the offense and then in 2010 he will do ok. For some reason he reminds me of Carson Palmer he will sit and take at least two years to develop.

SKim172
04-24-2009, 10:33 PM
I've held off on saying anything about Stafford because, frankly, I was POSITIVELY SURE that Matt Ryan would never be a Top 5-worthy player last season. This year, I decided to keep my trap shut. Honestly though, I'm a little leery of Stafford. I thought I saw some things outta him that made me "enrhgghgh!" So, my thoughts on that.

Of course, with my track record, he'll end up throwing 60 TDs and negative 5 interceptions on his way to the 2010 Super Bowl. And the 2009 Gray Cup. That's right - he'll be so good that he'll win the NFL and the CFL in the same season.

Paul
04-24-2009, 10:33 PM
Stafford will be fine let him sit on the bench for a year behind Kitna learn the offense and then in 2010 he will do ok. For some reason he reminds me of Carson Palmer he will sit and take at least two years to develop.

Kitna is with Cowboys now.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:33 PM
And the Lions won't be much with Daunte Culpepper as their quarterback. What's your point? They have a ton of holes but they just filled the most important one with an elite prospect.

What has Matthew Stafford ever done to be considered an elite prospect? Oh, he can throw the ball really hard. Super. So can Ryan Mallett. Mallett for #1 in 2010? I guess so.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
Grab Beatty or Britton. Worthy of picks in the 20s for sure. Britton and Stafford is better than Smith and uhhh Rhett Bomar or whoever they would be forced to take later. Unless they want Freeman then they HAVE to trade up.

Britton isn't a left tackle. We have Gosder at RT.

Beatty at 33 is OK by me, however.

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
lions gave up the second most sacks last year with 52. dont be so naive

I'm not being so naive, I just don't find a need to lose a pick when the team has so many needs. Lest you forget that this was also by far the worst defensive team in the NFL last year and the defensive line sucks ass.


When you go 0-16, can you really say you may not need ANY POSITION? The Lions finished second-worst in the league in sacks allowed and third-worst in yards per carry, and you're telling me you don't need another OL? Hey, whatever, you're the Lions fan. I'll take your word for it.

I didn't say that an Offensive lineman wasn't needed, I just said the Lions shouldn't go out of their way to attain an elite one.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:34 PM
What has Matthew Stafford ever done to be considered an elite prospect? Oh, he can throw the ball really hard. Super. So can Ryan Mallett. Mallett for #1 in 2010? I guess so.

Mr. Scott Wright seems to think pretty highly of him . . .

mgoblue
04-24-2009, 10:35 PM
expected it but still very dissapointed.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:36 PM
If Stafford sits a year (or most of it), then there's no need to immediately go get a LT and give up other assets to do so.

BrownsTown
04-24-2009, 10:37 PM
What has Matthew Stafford ever done to be considered an elite prospect? Oh, he can throw the ball really hard. Super. So can Ryan Mallett. Mallett for #1 in 2010? I guess so.

You deserve to be banned for this statement.

draftguru151
04-24-2009, 10:37 PM
What has Matthew Stafford ever done to be considered an elite prospect? Oh, he can throw the ball really hard. Super. So can Ryan Mallett. Mallett for #1 in 2010? I guess so.

ZOMG STAFFORD HAS A STRONG ARM HE MUST SUCK!!!!!!!111!!!

Ugh.

yeats
04-24-2009, 10:37 PM
I'm not being so naive, I just don't find a need to lose a pick when the team has so many needs. Lest you forget that this was also by far the worst defensive team in the NFL last year and the defensive line sucks ass.

part of the reason the d was so bad was they were on the field 90% of the time.

i agree they need other things but dont say LB is a bigger need than LT. good linebackers can be found later in rounds, bookend LT's such as andre smith can rarley be found. protect your 78 mil son. if anything, your line will be set, nice running game and a passing game. get fans back in the seats with a young high powered offense. thats exactly what the lions need, some excitement

D-Unit
04-24-2009, 10:38 PM
I'd love for you to elaborate.

You can't seriously be suggesting it be Curry, can you?
Take your pick... Curry, Sanchez, Monroe, Smith.... Stafford is not the BPA in the draft. He's the next Jeff George... that's not the worst, but definitely not worth the #1 overall pick.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:38 PM
Mr. Scott Wright seems to think pretty highly of him . . .

Well, that convinces me. :rolleyes:

#1 pick in the draft that can't even make the first all-conference team in college. Impressive.

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 10:39 PM
What has Matthew Stafford ever done to be considered an elite prospect? Oh, he can throw the ball really hard. Super. So can Ryan Mallett. Mallett for #1 in 2010? I guess so.

Oh yeah that connection makes plenty of sense.

yeats
04-24-2009, 10:39 PM
Mr. Scott Wright seems to think pretty highly of him . . .

he also had brady quinn as his #1 prosepect :/

also the whole LT in 2010 talk. daunte culpepper wont last til week 7, and if stafford starts that many games you dont want his confidence shattered

BrownsTown
04-24-2009, 10:40 PM
Well, that convinces me. :rolleyes:

#1 pick in the draft that can't even make the first all-conference team in college. Impressive.

I think you're just upset Tim Tebow is a 3rd round H-back.

HeavyLeggedWaistBender
04-24-2009, 10:40 PM
Awesome, cant wait til he comes to Chicago ;)

I do wish him personal luck I hate seeing players bust. Just as long as he never beats the Bears.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:40 PM
ZOMG STAFFORD HAS A STRONG ARM HE MUST SUCK!!!!!!!111!!!

Ugh.

ZOMG CUZ THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!!!ELEVENTYONE!!!!

Nice.

draftguru151
04-24-2009, 10:41 PM
Well, that convinces me. :rolleyes:

#1 pick in the draft that can't even make the first all-conference team in college. Impressive.

ZOMG STATSSSSSSSS.

eaglesalltheway
04-24-2009, 10:41 PM
I'm so glad Dallas doesnt have to shell out cash like that for a rook. geez.

Anyway, sigs disabled...we're getting close boys! :D This little Stafford news gave me chills actually when I first saw it. I'm psyched for tomorrow.

I saw that and was like WTF??? MOTH, you have educated a poor ignorant young man...

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:41 PM
Well, that convinces me. :rolleyes:

#1 pick in the draft that can't even make the first all-conference team in college. Impressive.

That's a really poor argument. Tim Tebow plays in the SEC. Regardless of his pro prospect status, Tebow is a college football God.

And since when did All-Conference selections in college football mean anything for the Pro game?

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 10:42 PM
part of the reason the d was so bad was they were on the field 90% of the time.

i agree they need other things but dont say LB is a bigger need than LT. good linebackers can be found later in rounds, bookend LT's such as andre smith can rarley be found. protect your 78 mil son. if anything, your line will be set, nice running game and a passing game. get fans back in the seats with a young high powered offense. thats exactly what the lions need, some excitement

I understand where you're coming from but I was just saying that as of this exact moment the Lions are worse off at ILB than at LT. As much as I ******* hate Backus most of the time, he still has never once had a legitimate LG starting next to him and giving him one last opportunity isn't the worst thing in the world. I am not opposed to taking a Oher if he magically falls to 20 or Beatty at 33, but I sure as hell do not want to see the Lions trading up for Smith.

draftguru151
04-24-2009, 10:42 PM
ZOMG CUZ THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!!!!!!!!!ELEVENTYONE!!!!

Nice.

You compared Stafford to Ryan ******* Mallett. That's exactly what you did.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:43 PM
That's a really poor argument. Tim Tebow plays in the SEC. Regardless of his pro prospect status, Tebow is a college football God.

And since when did All-Conference selections in college football mean anything for the Pro game?

I'm a little weary of a #1 pick who can't even make his conference's all-first team, that's all.

bored of education
04-24-2009, 10:43 PM
Stafford is to Jay Cutler as Matt Ryan is to Matt Hasselbeck. Does that make sense? The 1st guy is better than the 2nd. ;)

TonyGfortheTD
04-24-2009, 10:44 PM
41.7 mil should be plenty of cash for Stafford to buy a gold statue of himself holding the Lions up at gunpoint, demanding cash.

yeats
04-24-2009, 10:45 PM
I understand where you're coming from but I was just saying that as of this exact moment the Lions are worse off at ILB than at LT. As much as I ******* hate Backus most of the time, he still has never once had a legitimate LG starting next to him and giving him one last opportunity isn't the worst thing in the world. I am not opposed to taking a Oher if he magically falls to 20 or Beatty at 33, but I sure as hell do not want to see the Lions trading up for Smith.

im just saying, if andre smith wasnt such a ******* r-tard he would have been the #2 pick. now hes around the #10 range maybe later. the dude is your LT for 10+ years with your qb for 10+ years with a WR for 10+ years. that is an insane amount of talent. i would rather you take andre smith than say peria jerry, and james laurinitis. i know i know it doesnt seem logical and in most cases i would say keep the picks, relax, build some depth, but if andre smith falls outta the top ten its something to consider.

GhostDeini
04-24-2009, 10:46 PM
Who gives a flying FFFFFFFFFFF if he didnt make 1st team SEC ? College stats and awards mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G going into the NFL.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:46 PM
You compared Stafford to Ryan ******* Mallett. That's exactly what you did.

No, I never directly compared the two. I alluded to the fact that Stafford's biggest selling point was his strong arm, as is Mallett's. The reason I did this is because Stafford has done nothing in college that would deem him worthy of the #1 pick and is relying on his great arm to be the top pick.

Please, do tell. What has Stafford done in college to be worthy of the #1 pick?

yeats
04-24-2009, 10:46 PM
You compared Stafford to Ryan ******* Mallett. That's exactly what you did.

a pitching machine has a faster delivery than ryan mallet

BrownsTown
04-24-2009, 10:46 PM
No, I never directly compared the two. I alluded to the fact that Stafford's biggest selling point was his strong arm, as is Mallett's. The reason I did this is because Stafford has done nothing in college that would deem him worthy of the #1 pick and is relying on his great arm to be the top pick.

Please, do tell. What has Stafford done in college to be worthy of the #1 pick?

I really really think sniper should be banned. Honestly.

Brent
04-24-2009, 10:47 PM
Who gives a flying FFFFFFFFFFF if he didnt make 1st team SEC ? College stats and awards mean N-O-T-H-I-N-G going into the NFL.
Justin Brantly was first team all Big 12, you think I should be sad he isnt the best rated punter? ahah

BRAVEHEART
04-24-2009, 10:48 PM
As long as Megatron is playing on the lions, stafford will not bust. You know how Moss made C-pepp, that's what megatron is going to do for Staff.

Megatron made orvlosky look good in two games (Orsafety looking good is almost impossible). we just need two pieces to the O-line (guards or a tackle, something).

vidae
04-24-2009, 10:48 PM
Great pick.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:48 PM
I really really think sniper should be banned. Honestly.

For what, exactly? Not agreeing that Stafford is all that he's cracked up to be? Oh, the horrors! Disagreements? On an Internet forum? It can't be true.

BrownsTown
04-24-2009, 10:48 PM
For what, exactly? Not agreeing that Stafford is all that he's cracked up to be? Oh, the horrors! Disagreements? On an Internet forum? It can't be true.

Your arguments are like that of a 4 year old.

yeats
04-24-2009, 10:49 PM
As long as Megatron is playing on the lions, stafford will not bust. You know how Moss made C-pepp, that's what megatron is going to do for Staff.

Megatron made orvlosky look good in two games (Orsafety looking good is almost impossible). we just need two pieces to the O-line (guards or a tackle, something).

culpepper had his best season without moss :/

david carr had andre johnson, didnt save him.

win goes to yeats

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:49 PM
im just saying, if andre smith wasnt such a ******* r-tard he would have been the #2 pick. now hes around the #10 range maybe later. the dude is your LT for 10+ years with your qb for 10+ years with a WR for 10+ years. that is an insane amount of talent. i would rather you take andre smith than say peria jerry, and james laurinitis. i know i know it doesnt seem logical and in most cases i would say keep the picks, relax, build some depth, but if andre smith falls outta the top ten its something to consider.

You don't think there will be talented top 10 worthy LT's next year?

The Lions will be picking top ten again next year . . . no need to sell the farm now.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:50 PM
Your arguments are like that of a 4 year old.

Gee, what a convincing rebuttal. I'll ask again. What did Stafford ever do in college, besides having a great arm, that indicates he's the top player in the draft this year?

Calvin & Kevin
04-24-2009, 10:51 PM
As long as Megatron is playing on the lions, stafford will not bust. You know how Moss made C-pepp, that's what megatron is going to do for Staff.

That's an excellent point, really. Barry Sanders did the same thing for a few guys in his day. Stafford is going to have a guy for the next four years minimum who is going to be in his prime and super elite. Opening up routes for other receivers, keeping teams from loading up against the run. Lions need to get one very good piece for the OL this year and another one next year, and a workable TE, and they're going to be good to go on offense.

david carr had andre johnson, didnt save him.

win goes to yeats

Not so fast my friend. We are stipulating that the Lions still are two players away on the OL. Not to mention that the Texans' OL in Carr's first seasons was actually worse than what the Lions have now.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:51 PM
For what, exactly? Not agreeing that Stafford is all that he's cracked up to be? Oh, the horrors! Disagreements? On an Internet forum? It can't be true.

Your arguments are like that of a 4 year old.

OK, Gents. Let's not get this fine thread locked. Agree to disagree? At least until tomorrow . . .

BRAVEHEART
04-24-2009, 10:52 PM
culpepper had his best season without moss :/

david carr had andre johnson, didnt save him.

win goes to yeats


Culpepper had other legit weapons and Calvin shits on andre johnson.(IMO)

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 10:52 PM
Gee, what a convincing rebuttal. I'll ask again. What did Stafford ever do in college, besides having a great arm, that indicates he's the top player in the draft this year?

He was the best NFL caliber QB in College Football last year.

d34ng3l021
04-24-2009, 10:53 PM
Nice job by the Lions figuring this out now. This gets him into the NFL environment early to help his development. He should sit for 8-12 games and when the Lions have nothing to play for, they should give him significant playing time.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:53 PM
He was the best NFL caliber QB in College Football last year.

Is Sam Bradford not considered an NFL caliber QB?

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 10:53 PM
Gee, what a convincing rebuttal. I'll ask again. What did Stafford ever do in college, besides having a great arm, that indicates he's the top player in the draft this year?

With that line of thinking, there will never again be a worthy first overall QB.

College football is dominated by spread offenses and BCS controversies. All that matters is what he can do as an individual.

Stafford can make all the throws, he's intelligent, coachable, and had the increasingly rare benefit of playing in a Pro Style offense.

Even our glorious Michigan program has gone to the spread offense. Stafford is worthy.

BrownsTown
04-24-2009, 10:54 PM
Is Sam Bradford not considered an NFL caliber QB?

You're right, the Lions should take him.

yeats
04-24-2009, 10:54 PM
Gee, what a convincing rebuttal. I'll ask again. What did Stafford ever do in college, besides having a great arm, that indicates he's the top player in the draft this year?

won three bowl games, 3 more than brady quinn, 2 more than alex smith, 1 more than jamarcus so i dn

GhostDeini
04-24-2009, 10:54 PM
David Carr led NFL in completion % one year, one of the years Andre Johnson led NFL in receptions. But they never had the oline.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:55 PM
won three bowl games, 3 more than brady quinn, 2 more than alex smith, 1 more than jamarcus so i dn

Pat White won all four, and never got the chance to go ahead Brian Hoyer for one of them. Try again.

bored of education
04-24-2009, 10:55 PM
Considered the most NFL-ready quarterback in the 2009 draft, Stafford has been the unquestioned leader of the Bulldogs offense since taking over the starting signal-caller duties as a freshman. In 34 starting assignments, the junior compiled a 27-7 record (.794) at Georgia. He would close out his collegiate career ranking third on the school's all-time record list for yards passing (7,731), pass attempts (987), completed passes (564), touchdown passes (51), touchdowns responsible for (57), and yards in total offense (7,944).

Blessed with top arm strength, Stafford has a compact and quick delivery that allows him to get the ball off on time. He is the classic drop-back passer who gets proper depth and shows good footwork dropping back from center to efficiently scan the field and locate his open target.

Has good command in the huddle, but despite producing a 27-7 record as a starter, he has failed to produce in big games during his career. He is a competitive player who has been the pulse of the team since stepping into the lineup as a freshman. What scouts like is his ability to take a pounding and not back down from pressure. He has great presence in the huddle and that brings confidence to his teammates, who trust him 110%. He was voted captain by his peers as a junior and was more than up to handling that task

No world-class sprinter, but he does have surprisingly nimble feet for a player of his bulk. Does a nice job of stepping up and finding lanes, and it is rare to see him fall away from throws.

blah blah copy paste copy paste i dont need to explain to someone like Sniper why I thik Stafford will be better than God.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1114942

for sniper the ****

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:56 PM
You're right, the Lions should take him.

Funny, I don't recall that being the argument. Want to try again?

Sniper
04-24-2009, 10:57 PM
...

You can copy all that but you can't copy a link to properly attribute it to the source?

bored of education
04-24-2009, 10:58 PM
If only big games mattered at the next level. Matty Ice was not the best big game QB, Joe Flacco didn't even win the division I-AA. OMGZ wahhh

Stafford is money bitches!

Brodeur
04-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Is Sam Bradford not considered an NFL caliber QB?

He is I suppose but the arguments against him have already been done to death and this is a Stafford thread so I won't start that. Just let it be said that Stafford was one of the best QB's in the nation with a lousy O-Line and a crappy defense in the toughest conference in College Football. And he has the best skill set for an NFL team and that's why he's going first, not arbitrary college football awards.

ironman4579
04-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Is Sam Bradford not considered an NFL caliber QB?

Come on Snipe. Bradford MIGHT end up being a better prospect. He also plays in a spread offense and played behind what might have been one of the best OLines in college football history last year. It's kind of tough to tell with him at this point. I won't even mention his inferior arm strength ;)

Strongside
04-24-2009, 11:01 PM
Is Sam Bradford not considered an NFL caliber QB?

You never pass a prospect for a future prospect. 1 win this year could take them out of the running for Bradford

yeats
04-24-2009, 11:02 PM
you're acting like theres better talent in the draft this year. this draft blows. lions will have a top 3 pick next year, sam bradford isnt peyton manning god status, hes probably isnt as good and you'll end up spending the same amount most likely, so why not grab your franchise qb now. god damn, stop being a hater

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:04 PM
You never pass a prospect for a future prospect. 1 win this year could take them out of the running for Bradford

Again, not the point. Brodeur said that Stafford was the best NFL caliber QB in college this year, which he wasn't.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 11:07 PM
Again, not the point. Brodeur said that Stafford was the best NFL caliber QB in college this year, which he wasn't.

Let me guess . . . Nick Sheridan?

ironman4579
04-24-2009, 11:07 PM
culpepper had his best season without moss :/

david carr had andre johnson, didnt save him.

win goes to yeats

Well, it wasn't exactly without Moss. Moss just had his worst season in '04 and only played like 13 games, and Culpepper had his best season. He was still there though.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:09 PM
Let me guess . . . Nick Sheridan?

Steven Threet.

BNad
04-24-2009, 11:12 PM
Well, that convinces me. :rolleyes:

#1 pick in the draft that can't even make the first all-conference team in college. Impressive.

To be fair, Jesus was playing QB in the same conference. It wasn't meant to be. :(

mgoblue
04-24-2009, 11:12 PM
Steven Threet.

HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT THE GREATNESS THAT IS David"THE CONER" Cone.

Strongside
04-24-2009, 11:14 PM
He's got a big time arm and can make all the throws. He has a quick release and throws great on the run. He has decent accuracy, he reads the field great, he is smart and a leader. He has decent footwork that can be fixed in a single training camp. He throws great spirals.

He is not Carson Palmer, but who the hell is? If you're waiting for another Carson Palmer you'll be waiting for a long time.

He was easily the best pick they could make.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:14 PM
HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT THE GREATNESS THAT IS David"THE CONER" Cone.

Coner never played. If he had, Michigan would have gone 13-0, winning each game by 50 or more.

JRTPlaya21
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Just got in. Glad the deal's done.

TitleTown088
04-24-2009, 11:21 PM
Meh, I'm not crazy about the pick, but wta the hell else were they supposed to do? Smith?

"OGMZZZZZZZZZzz The spent too much money!!!"

Well they really didn't have a choice( financially, not prospect wise) at 1 they were going to take a huge hit.

farfromforgotten
04-24-2009, 11:31 PM
Gee, what a convincing rebuttal. I'll ask again. What did Stafford ever do in college, besides having a great arm, that indicates he's the top player in the draft this year?

Is there another QB coming out this year that you believe has done that much better of a job than Stafford? Perhaps they should have selected Nate Davis?

What are you trying to accomplish here? If you want to look at stats and awards from the players ranked at the top of the draft to the players ranked in the 2nd round you're probably not going to find that much of a difference.

The NFL is a different ball game than College. Throw the awards out the window. There are several Heisman Award winners that didnt succeed in the NFL. Who cares about a 1st team All Conference spot? Besides you, ofcourse.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:34 PM
Is there another QB coming out this year that you believe has done that much better of a job than Stafford? Perhaps they should have selected Nate Davis?

No, but why did they HAVE to take a QB this year? They're going to be picking in the top 10 again next year, and probably the year after. I'm 100% sure there will be a QB available next year.

LonghornsLegend
04-24-2009, 11:36 PM
No, but why did they HAVE to take a QB this year? They're going to be picking in the top 10 again next year, and probably the year after. I'm 100% sure there will be a QB available next year.

Because their QB core is terrible right now, maybe even worse...If your going to pay a guy upwards up 35 million guaranteed why not take a position as important as QB? Next year their may not even be a prospect as good as Stafford is.

farfromforgotten
04-24-2009, 11:36 PM
No, but why did they HAVE to take a QB this year? They're going to be picking in the top 10 again next year, and probably the year after. I'm 100% sure there will be a QB available next year.

Whats more important: Having a rookie QB with a year of NFL experience (rather that be starting or sitting) or having a rookie OT or a rookie LB with a year of NFL experience?

I'm also confident that in future drafts there will be more franchise OTs and LBs available in each of those drafts than there will be QBs.

GhostDeini
04-24-2009, 11:38 PM
This clown has 19,000 posts on here yet he's saying pass on qb this year cuz theyll be 1 next year. Enough said. You never plan for next years draft you idiot. Teams always go into the season trying to win THAT YEARS SuperBowl.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:40 PM
This clown has 19,000 posts on here yet he's saying pass on qb this year cuz theyll be 1 next year. Enough said. You never plan for next years draft you idiot. Teams always go into the season trying to win THAT YEARS SuperBowl.

I don't know if the personal attack was necessary. Sorry that I don't think Stafford is worth the #1 pick. That's why I'm saying wait until next year. He's not that good. But yeah, I'm sure you're right. The Lions sure are going to contend for the Super Bowl this year. :rolleyes:

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Whats more important: Having a rookie QB with a year of NFL experience (rather that be starting or sitting) or having a rookie OT or a rookie LB with a year of NFL experience?

I'm also confident that in future drafts there will be more franchise OTs and LBs available in each of those drafts than there will be QBs.

I don't think Curry should have been the top pick, so we can scrap the LB argument. I just don't think Stafford is worth the #1 pick. I've never been overly impressed with him. I've never watched a game of his where I thought to myself, "Wow, what an elite QB." I just don't think he's that good, and I certainly wouldn't want my team to invest $42 million guaranteed into a QB that's not overwhelmingly awesome as a prospect.

GhostDeini
04-24-2009, 11:48 PM
My bad on the clown/idiot thing dude. But still, if Stafford was a finished product he wouldnt have gone # 1. There is still room for him to get better and better ( upside ). And were you not impressed by the arm strength ?

BRAVEHEART
04-24-2009, 11:49 PM
Sniper vs Teh WORDLLZZ

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:50 PM
My bad on the clown/idiot thing dude. But still, if Stafford was a finished product he wouldnt have gone # 1. There is still room for him to get better and better ( upside ). And were you not impressed by the arm strength ?

I am very impressed with his arm strength. I'm not impressed with his consistency, accuracy, and intangibles.

farfromforgotten
04-24-2009, 11:50 PM
I don't think Curry should have been the top pick, so we can scrap the LB argument. I just don't think Stafford is worth the #1 pick. I've never been overly impressed with him. I've never watched a game of his where I thought to myself, "Wow, what an elite QB." I just don't think he's that good, and I certainly wouldn't want my team to invest $42 million guaranteed into a QB that's not overwhelmingly awesome as a prospect.

Fair enough. Stafford is by no means one of my all time, cant miss, prospects. I'm just in the camp that believes if you need a QB you should take one.

Xiomera
04-24-2009, 11:51 PM
I don't think Curry should have been the top pick, so we can scrap the LB argument. I just don't think Stafford is worth the #1 pick. I've never been overly impressed with him. I've never watched a game of his where I thought to myself, "Wow, what an elite QB." I just don't think he's that good, and I certainly wouldn't want my team to invest $42 million guaranteed into a QB that's not overwhelmingly awesome as a prospect.

Jason Smith, Sniper?

He sure as hell hasn't proven much in college.

Brent
04-24-2009, 11:51 PM
Fair enough. Stafford is by no means one of my all time, cant miss, prospects. I'm just in the camp that believes if you need a QB you should take one.
******* alex smith

farfromforgotten
04-24-2009, 11:53 PM
******* alex smith

Awe man, did you have to go there? On the eve of the draft...

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:54 PM
Jason Smith, Sniper?

He sure as hell hasn't proven much in college.

Smith dominated this year, but okay? I like Eugene Monroe quite a bit too.

Brent
04-24-2009, 11:55 PM
Awe man, did you have to go there? On the eve of the draft...
every time I think of the Niners, I go there.

Sniper
04-24-2009, 11:55 PM
Who should they have taken?

I would have taken either J. Smith or Monroe. Just my opinion.

mgoblue
04-24-2009, 11:55 PM
I don't think Curry should have been the top pick, so we can scrap the LB argument. I just don't think Stafford is worth the #1 pick. I've never been overly impressed with him. I've never watched a game of his where I thought to myself, "Wow, what an elite QB." I just don't think he's that good, and I certainly wouldn't want my team to invest $42 million guaranteed into a QB that's not overwhelmingly awesome as a prospect.

i agree with you 100%

MenOfTroy
04-24-2009, 11:55 PM
Stafford to CJ is going to be magic.

The contract is madness, obviously, but Stafford is the right pick. They can find an OT or LB at #20, but not a QB. He's been under the scope a lot, but he will be a very good player for them if they can protect him.

Also, I'm taking Stafford over ANY guy next year, no question. Take the strong-armed kid from a pro-style QB rather than a spread QB with more average tangibles.

Xiomera
04-25-2009, 12:05 AM
Smith dominated this year, but okay? I like Eugene Monroe quite a bit too.

He isn't as good as Long, Thomas, etc. So how is that good value?

I used to love Jason Smith . . . back when he was a possibility for Detroit at 20. When he escalated to the top 5, things got out of hand. He's overrated.

bearsfan_51
04-25-2009, 12:07 AM
I would have taken Jason Smith too, but bringing up the money argument is silly. Every player they drafted would have been massively overpaid.

cdub11
04-25-2009, 12:15 AM
I like the Stafford pick, they need a QB and I like him much more than any of the QB's coming out next year

farfromforgotten
04-25-2009, 12:17 AM
I would have taken Jason Smith too, but bringing up the money argument is silly. Every player they drafted would have been massively overpaid.

I can agree with this.

But I do kind of find this statement to be ironic coming from a fan of the Bears. Who havent had stability at the QB spot for a long time. Why do people not want to take the chance of having stability at the most important position in football?

I miss the days of my 49ers having Montana and then Young behind the center every year. I would give anything to have that back and to not have to worry every year about how our starting QB is going to perform.

imprint3454
04-25-2009, 12:21 AM
This is ridiculous. Remember guys like Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow will be available next year. If those guys came out this year, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman wouldn't even be day one picks.

Xiomera
04-25-2009, 12:21 AM
I can agree with this.

But I do kind of find this statement to be ironic coming from a fan of the Bears. Who havent had stability at the QB spot for a long time. Why do people not want to take the chance of having stability at the most important position in football?

I miss the days of my 49ers having Montana and then Young behind the center every year. I would give anything to have that back and to not have to worry every year about how our starting QB is going to perform.

Jay Cutler says 'Hi.'

Xiomera
04-25-2009, 12:22 AM
This is ridiculous. Remember guys like Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow will be available next year. If those guys came out this year, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman wouldn't even be day one picks.

This is the most factually incorrect statement you could have written.

Loggerhead
04-25-2009, 12:23 AM
Hey Sniper couple of things. 1. You assume the Lions are going to have a top 3 pick next year. I say look at the Falcons. Nobody picked them to win 11 games, yet they did. 2. Next year the only QB who I think is a good fit for nearly offense is Jevan Snead. Bradford to me is just a WCO QB. 3. The Lions are going to win 5 games next year IMO. They play in the NFCN where the division winner only won 10 games. I think they are going to surprise some people because like Harbaugh, Smith, and Sparano last year I think Schwartz is going to change the mentality of that team. They also have some solid weapons in Smith and Johnson. Culpepper has lost over 30 pounds and is reunited with Linehan who he has had prior success with. Also Stafford is worth the gamble. Nothing in the NFL Draft is a sure bet so why not go with potential franchise QB? The Lions got their guy more power to them.

farfromforgotten
04-25-2009, 12:24 AM
This is ridiculous. Remember guys like Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow will be available next year. If those guys came out this year, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman wouldn't even be day one picks.

I'm not really sure where to go with this. I'm just going to have to pass for now as I need to go to bed. I'll let someone else take a stab at this one. Wow.

imprint3454
04-25-2009, 12:25 AM
This is the most factually incorrect statement you could have written.

Feel free NOT to elaborate on your statement.

farfromforgotten
04-25-2009, 12:25 AM
Jay Cutler says 'Hi.'

Well yeah. I'm talking about drafting a QB. Not trading for a proven QB.

brat316
04-25-2009, 12:26 AM
there defense is horrible. Good luck trying to win with no defense.

brat316
04-25-2009, 12:27 AM
This is ridiculous. Remember guys like Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow will be available next year. If those guys came out this year, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman wouldn't even be day one picks.

Tebow qb ahahhaha

Xiomera
04-25-2009, 12:28 AM
there defense is horrible. Good luck trying to win with no defense.

I'd say our chances were about the same with no Quarterback . . .

farfromforgotten
04-25-2009, 12:29 AM
there defense is horrible. Good luck trying to win with no defense.

Yeah. So you're saying that adding Curry #1 overall would end up accounting for more wins in the future than adding Stafford?

brat316
04-25-2009, 12:29 AM
I'd say our chances were about the same with no Quarterback . . .

Its still the same, you don't want to rush him in, unless he is working for the starting job and proving he is worth it.

brat316
04-25-2009, 12:30 AM
Yeah. So you're saying that adding Curry #1 overall would end up accounting for more wins in the future than adding Stafford?

no, its a team effort, lions will end up being in the top 10 again next year.

MenOfTroy
04-25-2009, 12:31 AM
This is ridiculous. Remember guys like Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow will be available next year. If those guys came out this year, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman wouldn't even be day one picks.

No.

Without getting too in-depth, McCoy and Tebow are basically third-round talents with big name recognition. All three guys - unlike Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman, who are pro-style QBs - are the beneficiaries of the spread offense. As an example, Tebow has a miserable release and poor overall mechanics. Plus, the Florida offense isn't really conducive to preparing him for the NFL. He might be able to improve next season, but there's no way he's rated as a first round prospect this year.

619
04-25-2009, 12:31 AM
This is ridiculous. Remember guys like Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow will be available next year. If those guys came out this year, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman wouldn't even be day one picks.

Please come back and tell us you were kidding. This is not funny.

M.O.T.H.
04-25-2009, 12:32 AM
You dont have to worry about them rushing him. Because again, Mayhew has some crazy man crush on Culpepper apparently. It probably took some pretty good convincing to actually get him to start to lean toward Stafford in the first place.

farfromforgotten
04-25-2009, 12:33 AM
no, its a team effort, lions will end up being in the top 10 again next year.

I love predictions/guarantees. I'm sure you nailed the Cardinals in the Super Bowl last year as well? And the Falcons W-L record and the success of Matt Ryan?

cdub11
04-25-2009, 12:34 AM
This is ridiculous. Remember guys like Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow will be available next year. If those guys came out this year, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, and Freeman wouldn't even be day one picks.

are you serious?

brat316
04-25-2009, 12:34 AM
I love predictions/guarantees. I'm sure you nailed the Cardinals in the Super Bowl last year as well? And the Falcons W-L record and the success of Matt Ryan?

Yes I did actually. How did you know?

farfromforgotten
04-25-2009, 12:37 AM
Yes I did actually. How did you know?

Dammit... haha.

Addict
04-25-2009, 02:02 AM
no, its a team effort, lions will end up being in the top 10 again next year.

Probably, yes. But the fact is at least we have a QB we can build around. Stafford is a very important piece to the puzzle. Hopefully we can sit him for a year, build the OL next year with a top-level OT and finally have some (any will do) success.

OregonDucks
04-25-2009, 02:14 AM
So does he start day one?

Strongside
04-25-2009, 02:16 AM
So does he start day one?

Doubt it, only if Culpepper gets hurt. When is their bye week? MAYBE after that but I hope not.

M.O.T.H.
04-25-2009, 02:29 AM
I'd say it's very unlikely. I think I said it twice in this thread already but, Mayhew loves Culpepper. Has a strange "infatuation" with the player. Whenever people talk about it, it sounds creepy. haha. But anyway, he was probably convinced into taking Stafford because, not too long ago he seemed content with going forward with Daunte because again, he loves the guy. Stafford would be better served sitting anyway, let big Daunte take all those hits.

OregonDucks
04-25-2009, 02:31 AM
Okay, thanks!

Addict
04-25-2009, 02:36 AM
I'd say it's very unlikely. I think I said it twice in this thread already but, Mayhew loves Culpepper. Has a strange "infatuation" with the player. Whenever people talk about it, it sounds creepy. haha. But anyway, he was probably convinced into taking Stafford because, not too long ago he seemed content with going forward with Daunte because again, he loves the guy. Stafford would be better served sitting anyway, let big Daunte take all those hits.

it really depends on how good Culpepper plays this season, if he does well I hope the Lions have the patience to sit Stafford.

Although it'll be hard to justify not playing a guy with such a big contract to the more casual fans I think .

M.O.T.H.
04-25-2009, 02:45 AM
That's the league now for you, though. You cant let a rookie contract be the driving influence behind starting a player. Especially a QB. You could very well ruin his career by throwing him into the fire...especially behind that questionable line. Of course, he could win the job outright...like a Ryan or Flacco but, I'd say Culpepper certainly has the upper hand at this point. Unless Stafford straight blows everyone away in the preseason/camp...I'd want him to sit, if I was a Lions fan.

WMD
04-25-2009, 02:48 AM
We have already got an A+ for the 2009 Draft!

Hooray!!!

CC.SD
04-25-2009, 02:59 AM
Stafford to Johnson WILL be awesome and that's all that matters.

Addict
04-25-2009, 03:00 AM
Stafford to Johnson WILL be awesome and that's all that matters.

that's absolutely true. Then again, I'm hoping this isn't going to blike Carr-Johnson.

M.O.T.H.
04-25-2009, 03:02 AM
that's absolutely true. Then again, I'm hoping this isn't going to blike Carr-Johnson.

Think good thoughts.

Addict
04-25-2009, 03:03 AM
Think good thoughts.

I know, I'm just avoiding hoping too much when it comes to results from the lions.

WMD
04-25-2009, 03:31 AM
I think Stafford should wear #16 for us.. Assuming he can beat John Standeford in a fight to the death for it.

Addict
04-25-2009, 03:42 AM
I think Stafford should wear #16 for us.. Assuming he can beat John Standeford in a fight to the death for it.

is 7 unavailable?

Falcon_from_E_Oakland
04-25-2009, 05:32 AM
Calvin + Stafford = deadly!!!


GA boys!

scottyboy
04-25-2009, 06:42 AM
you know who else has a big arm, franchise QB potential and didn't make his all-conference team? that's right, Mike Teel. Shoulda picked him, silly Lions

(for the record, I like the Stafford pick, but need to get my homerism outta the way before the board gets 230293029 people on and goes super slow)

SRK85
04-25-2009, 10:11 AM
Kitna is with Cowboys now.

WTF the Lions are screwed now.

Matthew Stafford
04-26-2009, 06:30 PM
I'm happy even if they did over pay me!

thetedginnshow
04-26-2009, 06:37 PM
That's the league now for you, though. You cant let a rookie contract be the driving influence behind starting a player. Especially a QB. You could very well ruin his career by throwing him into the fire...especially behind that questionable line. Of course, he could win the job outright...like a Ryan or Flacco but, I'd say Culpepper certainly has the upper hand at this point. Unless Stafford straight blows everyone away in the preseason/camp...I'd want him to sit, if I was a Lions fan.

Flacco didn't win anything outright.