OFFICIAL SWDC Draft Tracker and Discussion Thread!

[M.O.T.H.]

My grades for New England:

Patrick Chung - C+

They needed to cover TEs but this is over Maualuga and Everette Brown. We traded Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel for Chung? Eh...

Ron Brace - C

Decent value and he fits but it makes me feel like Vince Wilfork is on his way out. I am concerned about the lack of a pass rush.

Darius Butler - C

Hits about as hard as a pillow and is allergic to making plays. He's an excellent athlete but I don't like him. Did predict this one.

Just a couple of days ago it was reported that Wilfork and his agent are very pleased with long term negotiation, he's not going anyhwere.

[Smokey Joe]

HMMM... Brace, Butler, and Chung... Some solid role players that should excel in the New England system.
Plus, they have 4 more picks in the 3rd round. They are gonna get some real solid players, who can step in and make an impact right away.

I ******* hate how today ends after the 2nd round. Next year they gotta make the 1st day 3 rounds again, and start it at 1 eastern instead.

The good thing about this years draft is that it has run smoothly and hasn't dragged on at all.

[superman]

San Fran and Miami should have their choice of some very good pass rushing OLBs. Barwin, Brown, Sintim.

if they get brown...i'll...i'll...be happy

[Bills2083]

all hell is gong to break on the Bills' Message Board.
Nobody was thinking CB at 42... I would have much rather gone with Shawn Nelson here, considering we have McKelvin, McGee, Youboty, Florence, and Corner at CB...

[bearsfan_51]

The Bills have a message board?

[TheGM]

Is this the end for Peppers?

[BradysKnee]

My grades for New England:

Patrick Chung - C+

They needed to cover TEs but this is over Maualuga and Everette Brown. We traded Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel for Chung? Eh...

Ron Brace - C

Decent value and he fits but it makes me feel like Vince Wilfork is on his way out. I am concerned about the lack of a pass rush.

Darius Butler - C

Hits about as hard as a pillow and is allergic to making plays. He's an excellent athlete but I don't like him. Did predict this one.

I think your being way too hard on them I like Chung, as I think he wouldn've lasted much longer, love butler, and like Brace.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

I see Byrd as a safety

[cdub11]

Nice pick by Panthers, what did they give up to move into that spot?

[Brodeur]

The Bills have a message board?

In Toronto.

[Chief49er]

Nice pick by Panthers, what did they give up to move into that spot?

Hopefully Peppers.

[bearsfan_51]

Jesus....Carolina trading their 1st rounder AGAIN.

[Chief49er]

Hopefully Peppers.

Next years 1st...

[JustJoe2k5]

As they stated on ESPN, Peppers cannot be dealt and most likely will not be dealt.

[ManOverboard]

Omg Panthers Give Up Next Years First

[TheMolecularMan]

Everette Brown worth a 1st round pick? I don't think so.

[Sveen]

Wow! Another team gives up next years one. Glad it's not us.

[BradysKnee]

Pat White this early? WTF.

[SuperMcGee]

I see Byrd as a safety

That's where we need him. I was still on watch for something else there. Nothing has thrilled me about our draft.

[Sniper]

Wayyyyyy early for Pat White.

[kwilk103]

pat white!!!!!!!

[bearsfan_51]

WOW. Chad Henne and Pat White eh?

[Brothgar]

This was a good fit for the Phins.

[JRTPlaya21]

Hahaha Pat White.

[superman]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS pat white

[Jakey]

Mayock called that pick about 3 months ago! Pat White to teh Phins.

[M.O.T.H.]

Not surprised in the slightest. No one should be.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

whooo no pat white on the cowboys!

[TheGM]

the wildcat just got upgraded

[Borat]

WOW. Thanks for the future first Carolina.

[kalbears13]

the wildcat just got upgraded

double wildcat?

[LonghornsLegend]

whooo no pat white on the cowboys!

hahahahahaha yesssss :D

[cdub11]

whooo no pat white on the cowboys!

great news!

[Sveen]

Get done with Pat White already. I'm tired of all the Pat White talk.

[TheMolecularMan]

Pat White = Great fit with Phins

[jth1331]

Read that the Broncos traded the Bears 1st round pick to the Seahawks.

[Smokey Joe]

Anyone know what the Panthers gave up to move up?

[alca1992]

why did steve young grab keyshawns hand like that

[BradysKnee]

Anyone know what the Panthers gave up to move up?

Next years first.

[princefielder28]

Anyone know what the Panthers gave up to move up?

2010 1st rounder

[Im_a_Romosexual]

panthers gave up a 2010 first

[Smokey Joe]

Great pick right there. He fits that 4-3 Jimmy Johnson SAM really well.

[bearsfan_51]

Interesting pick with Sintim. I'm a big fan of his, but you wouldn't think he'd go to a 4-3, Giants are a different bird though.

[Jakey]

Sintim a good fit for the Giants???

[Smokey Joe]

Next years first.
lol, are they just gonna do that every year now?

[BradysKnee]

Pats should trade up for Barwin now.

[M.O.T.H.]

Sintim's a great player. I was hoping he would atleast be around to mull it over a bit.

[bearsfan_51]

I'm guessing Michael Johnson or Mohamed Massaquoi for the Bears.

[kalbears13]

Pats should trade up for Barwin now.

Nah, they should let him fall to their BFF Mangini.

EDIT: NVM Houston...

[Matthew Jones]

Pats should trade up for Barwin now.

Oh God. I hope not. If it was any OLB, I'd rather get Kruger probably. The Patriots have pretty much blew it as far as a pass rush though.

[JRTPlaya21]

Who is Michael Mitchell?

[BradysKnee]

Oh God. I hope not. If it was any OLB, I'd rather get Kruger probably. The Patriots have pretty much blew it as far as a pass rush though.

They have to be counting on Taylor, or less likely, Peppers.

[Im_a_Romosexual]

everybody LOL at the raiders.

REACH!!!!!

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Okay.

That's it.

I quit.

[jnew76]

Here comes Al Davis... Michael Mitchell... HAHAHAHAHAHa

[Borat]

LOL. Michael Mitchell. Raiders are a ******* mess.

[Jakey]

Michael Mitchell??? wtf

[kalbears13]

haha Oakland Raiders...you never fail me.

[bearsfan_51]

Oh my God.............

[Smokey Joe]

wow! A bit too early for him, IMO. But he could turn into a real player.

[Sveen]

Oh my. Al Davis does it again!

[jnew76]

I swear that there are some Raider fans with loaded rifles outside the Raiders headquarters right now.

[CC.SD]

LOL at Eisen: "Cutler cannot have those Bronco M&Ms!"

wtf keep it up Al.

[Matthew Jones]

That's awful for Oakland. I feel really bad for their fans. I guess you really can't put anything past Al Davis. I haven't liked a single Patriots pick so far either though. They could have ended up with Rey Maualuga at #34, Everette Brown at #40, and someone like Rashad Johnson/Max Unger/Phil Loadholt at #41.

[BUSTKUNTLAWL]

Oh my God.............

L
O
L

Unreal. If he was going to go for an athletic freak.. Michael Johnson is on the board.

[M.O.T.H.]

hahahahahahahahahah what in the world?

[Smokey Joe]

I'm gonna say either a trade down for the Bears, Mike Wallace, or Rashad Johnson for the Bears.

[Vikes99ej]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/161654-oakland-raiders-need-ohio-u-saftey-michael-mitchell

WTF?

[E-Man]

lol Al Davis must think he's playing Madden.

[jnew76]

So fitting that the Broncos and Raiders pick back to back. Nice break from reality while the rest of the teams have the real draft.

[Sveen]

If you're an unknown prospect. Just run fast and the Raiders will take you early :D

[TACKLE]

I had Michael Mitchell as one of my safeties in the Prospect game. I got a late round pick but it was a steel. I guess it shows my superior talent evaluating skills. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

[bearsfan_51]

Darcel McBath. Bears were rumored to like him so I'm glad he's gone actually.

So....Michael Johnson, Mohammad Massaquoi, Juaquin Iglesias, Sean Smith, or Paul Kruger.

Make it happen. Kthanksbye.

[princefielder28]

Denver is having a weird draft

[TACKLE]

Darcel McBath was my other safety! I also had Jarius Byrd.

For 2 3rds and a late round pick, I got 3 DB's who were all taken in the top half of the 2nd. Championship!

[TitleTown088]

Raiders fans I feel for u. I really do.

I was actually pretty intrigued by mitchell, but int the 2nd? my god.

[jnew76]

Seahawks trade up. Could that be for William Moore?

[M.O.T.H.]

Cowboys have several options coming up at 51.

Jarron Gilbert
Rashad Johnson
William Beatty
William Moore
Sean Smith

[TheGM]

Al Davis should be commited for unflinching stupidity

[bearsfan_51]

Good deal. I'll take any trade down in this draft. Lots of depth.

[Woody56]

good pick seahawks

[jnew76]

Unger is a great pick and great value. I like the Seahawks draft.

[Donno]

Al Davis doesn't know anything about football today, this is a joke.

[Jakey]

Its as if Al Davis makes all these reaches, encase he hits one, then he can prove to everyone that he's not stupid. It just seems to fail miserably.

[TACKLE]

I'm calling Michael Johnson to the Bears here.

Also surprised Unger is still available.

[jnew76]

Shawn Nelson to Cleveland here?

[JRTPlaya21]

That video is kinda good..

[bearsfan_51]

Meh...not great value on the trade there for the Bears, but there wasn't an obvious pick to be had there so I'm ok with it.

[Sveen]

Massaquoi to the Browns. Wow.

[alca1992]

lol 71st best safety

[princefielder28]

Cleveland is drafting plenty #2/#3 WRs

[jnew76]

So funny... on NFL.coms draft tracker page, Michael Mitchell does not have a height, weight, or college... I think they are still looking.

[Smokey Joe]

YESSSSSSSSS!!!! Thank goodness Mohammed Massaquoi is off the board. I really dislike him as a prospect, and I was worried we would draft him with pick 68.

[draftguru151]

Ugh **** Pat White.

[iBoldin]

Cleveland grabs Massquoi. Really, another receiver?

[alca1992]

well its not like they have a defence that was bad

[superman]

hopefully pat white turns out better than jayson foster. see, even a year ago parcells wanted a guy like this.

[D4rk 0ne]

I don't think I can support the Raiders anymore... I mean after years of questionable decisions, stupid deals, stubbornness, shifting blames, etc. I have overlooked it all. We Raider fans have put up with so much absurd and inexcusable crap lately, but I came into the draft deciding that I would give Al the benefit of the doubt. I had not seen much leading into the draft to suggest that the Raiders would improve next season, but I'm an optimistic guy.

Well, after these first two rounds, I am fed up with it. How can this be allowed? It's absolute BS... Someone let me know when we get a new owner.

[Smokey Joe]

Cleveland grabs Massquoi. Really, another receiver?
I think the bigger question mark is why two somewhat similar receivers? I think we could see Edwards still traded, but instead for picks next year. Same with Anquan.

[cdub11]

WTF are we doing

[alca1992]

lol cowboys suck

[Sveen]

What's going on?!

[jnew76]

Are you f****** kidding me

[JRTPlaya21]

Dallas=epic fail again.

[Jakey]

Hahahah wtf! FAIL

[BigBanger]

The Browns are having a horrible draft. Mack is good, but considering where they were and what they have to show for it... Robiski and Massaquoi... I would not be surprised if both these guys do next to nothing.

Mangini is a failure.

[The Unseen]

TO pissed himself with laughter

[gameplaya2435]

Go Cowboys! woooooo!

[alca1992]

oh never mind

[Diehard]

Denver is having a weird draft

Moreno was not really a surprise. The fit is perfect and could be a huge help to our new QB's. I think the team might've been leery of Orakpo after having Crowder bust on them (good old Texas softies).

Ayers is a versatile guy and I see him fitting in well in the 3-4/4-3 hybrid.

They probably had a late first round grade on Smith. If you heard him on Sirius he said that during his visit to the Broncos they really clicked and he surprised the coaching staff by immediately grasping the defense they were going to be running. I'm not loving the trade value, but I really like the player.

McBath was a sleeper and a number of people had him going early. Looks like a nice fit for the Nolan's cover 1 looks.

The Denver secondary is old. They're drafting the replacements now so they can have a learning year w/o being thrown directly into the fire.

The puzzling piece is the lack of big 3-4 DL. Perhaps they didn't feel there was value after Jackson went off the board. It will be interesting to see what they do in round 3.

[Sveen]

Michael Johnson is actually still on the board. Would have thought he'd been taken by now.

[jnew76]

The cameras in the war room is awesome... No one knows what is going on. Looks like the Bills are on the clock with the Browns.

[Geo]

Buffalo traded up for Levitre? Eh.

I would have gone Beatty myself.

[jnew76]

All that drama for Levitre? Interesting... I like him as a G and maybe a RT in a pinch.

[jnew76]

Okay... Here are the Eagles and William Moore... Please make it so!!!

[Sniper]

Okay... Here are the Eagles and William Moore... Please make it so!!!

Eww, please no.

[TACKLE]

Surprised Shawn Nelson is still on the board.

[superman]

wait, what happend with dallas?

[Jakey]

Veikune, not a bad pick for the Brownies. But it aint gonna scare me any.

[Smokey Joe]

What did the Bills give up to move up?

[Sniper]

It's LeSean. I can deal with that.

[TheGM]

Eagles are putting together a solid draft

[jnew76]

It's LeSean. I can deal with that.

Why don't you like WillyMo?

[Bills2083]

This is messed up...
We have a gaping hole at OLB, and at TE.
So we trade up for a guard.

So...
I'm just guessing here...

Since Brad Butler used to play tackle in college, maybe the Bills will do this?

LT - Walker
LG - Wood
C - Hangartner
RG - Levitre
RT - Butler

[Brothgar]

McCoy!!!!!

[Sniper]

Why don't you like WillyMo?

Because he's overweight for a safety and can't cover.

We got a faster version of Brian Westbrook. Not bad.

[Bills2083]

What did the Bills give up to move up?

#75, #110 ....

[princefielder28]

Maclin, Peters and McCoy = help for McNabb

[M.O.T.H.]

What did the Bills give up to move up?

Their 3rd and 4th rounders.

[TitanHope]

I like McCoy a ton. Good pick Philly!

[TACKLE]

McCoy is a good fit.

[gameplaya2435]

3rd and a 4th.

Shady!!

[Byrd430]

What did the Bills give up to move up?

3rd (75) and 4th (110)

[Sniper]

The Eagles have to have the fastest offense in the league now. DeSean Jackson, Kevin Curtis, LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin etc...

[DHVF]

Phil Loadholt goes here guaranteed.

[Bills2083]

lol, the Bills get Levitre, and Wood in this draft... ;)

[art vandelay]

Gaping hole? Keith Ellison can start in the league. At TE, I'm guessing the Bills really like Derek Fine or might sign a guy like Wrighster.

[Sveen]

Dallas not picking on the first day?! Haha, they will get lots of second day guys though :D

[Sniper]

Phil Loadholt goes here guaranteed.

You're so wise. Like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.

[art vandelay]

I'm still holding out hope that the Bills can trade their current 4th for John Henderson.

[Vikes99ej]

Loadholt! I win.

[Jakey]

Damn, Loadholt is a damn good pick for the Vikes!

[BigBanger]

Phil Loadholt goes here guaranteed.Good call.


BUST.

[Sveen]

I just can't get over what the Raiders has managed to do. DHB and Mitchell, seriously?!

[Matthew Jones]

Really like the McCoy pick. I'm just praying New England is able to get Paul Kruger. I'm desperate! Somebody console me before I do something drastic, like hope for them to cut their losses and take Michael Johnson!

[bearsfan_51]

Good pick for the Vikings, but they still should have taken Oher.

[Sveen]

Loadholt! I win.
So does Mayock :D

[Sniper]

Good call.


BUST.

In Minnesota's scheme? He'll kill it as a RT. Adrian Peterson's new BFF.

Moore to ATL.

[Hines]

William Moore to ATL.

[Byrd430]

I waited 5 hours for a pick........ :'(

[art vandelay]

Also, the Bills can definitely deal some of their players "on the block" (Parrish, Kelsay, Simpson) for mid-late rounders. I'm loving what the Bills are doing on the o-line. Walker at LT for a year or so and then hoping Demetrius Bell can develop at start there.

[jnew76]

WillyMo to the Falcons. 3 MU Tigers on the first day and all to good teams. Could not be a better day.

[D-Rod]

Nice pick for the Falcons.

Hopefully we get the Junior season Willy Mo...

[Smokey Joe]

That's a really good pick by the Vikings. I like their draft so far. All they need now is an impact player at QB and some more depth on the defensive side of the ball as well as maybe some more depth on the OL, and they got a legit NFC Contender in Minnesota.

[Jakey]

The commercials in America are ******* awfull! Garh!

[jnew76]

Nice pick for the Falcons.

Hopefully we get the Junior season Willy Mo...

I have a feeling you will. He looked like his old self at the combine. I hope he stays healthy.

[Byrd430]

Philly gets offensive help, Maclin and McCoy...

Washington gets O-sack-po

Giants get big WR Nicks, and OLB Sintim...

We get nothing....

[Smokey Joe]

I could see Mike Wallace here for the Colts.

[BigBanger]

In Minnesota's scheme? He'll kill it as a RT. Adrian Peterson's new BFF.

Moore to ATL.
I don't think any scheme is going to help. His feet are so slow. No one bends at the waist and stairs at the ground more than Philip Loadholt. If his head isn't between his knees, he's straight up and down and way too high. Leverage is going to be an issue and he'll get worked by NFL Ends.

[djp]

Good pick for the Vikings, but they still should have taken Oher.

Yep, although to be fair, if they really wanted a WR, it was better to take one then instead of reaching for a guy like Louis Murphy or Joaquin Iglesias right now.

[Byrd430]

Donald Brown to the Colts... Good or bad?

[Boston]

Philly gets offensive help, Maclin and McCoy...

Washington gets O-sack-po

Giants get big WR Nicks, and OLB Sintim...

We get nothing....

At least you guys still have your pride...oh wait.

[Byrd430]

At least you guys still have your pride...oh wait.

Roy better be worth it... that's all I got to say

[Sveen]

I like the Colts pick.

[jnew76]

At least you guys still have your pride...oh wait.

Not to mention their own TV show again... Hard Knocks, although I wish it was with the Raiders this year.

[JRTPlaya21]

Shady! Good pick. My dad was happy about Moore.

[sbh15]

I think Carolina may have the best pick of the draft thus far. A lot of us had Everette in the high first round at one point or another.

[BigBanger]

Donald Brown to the Colts... Good or bad?
It's the Colts. Good.

They know how to draft. Probably BPA. Can't really go wrong there.

[kalbears13]

I think Carolina may have the best pick of the draft thus far. A lot of us had Everette in the high first round at one point or another.

I remember him being at 5 a lot...

[JRTPlaya21]

Round 2 is almost over :(.

[princefielder28]

Baltimore with another solid choice

[Matthew Jones]

This is getting painful. New England's pass rush is still not looking good. I'd even take Michael Johnson at this point honestly. That's a new low for me.

[BradysKnee]

Who is this guy?

[Byrd430]

I've had Brown as high as 11 before.

Vollmer ahead of Beatty? Beatty a second day pick?

[Matthew Jones]

OH GOD SEBASTIAN VOLLMER

hold me ;_;

[Im_a_Romosexual]

Wow! shocker!

[Sveen]

... and the Pats reach!

[iBoldin]

Wow, I was looking at Vollmer in the Fifth for Arizona.

[Byrd430]

Who is this guy?

If the Pats like him, you'll know him soon enough.

[Smokey Joe]

Bit high for him, IMO, but the Pats know what their doing, and Vollmer has some legit potential.

[princefielder28]

Vollmer may have been a reach but he has time to develop his game and based off of potential he was one of the best OL available.

[abaddon41_80]

Vollmer, huh? I believe a certain owner of this site had a wager with me that he wouldn't go before the 5th round.

[Jakey]

I like Volmer allot...but that was a reach. If he's still there at 64, i can see the Steelers jumping all over Beatty.

[Byrd430]

anybody else surprised that there has only been one TE off the board?

[TheGM]

Playing RB with Payton will make that kid perform at a high level. Brown is a great fit with the Colts

[BradysKnee]

First pick I don't know about.

But I'm not gonna ***** too much, they do full-time work looking at these guys, they have a much better idea of who's the guys to pick.

[Smokey Joe]

I've had Brown as high as 11 before.

Vollmer ahead of Beatty? Beatty a second day pick?
I never saw what anyone did in Beatty. They guy can only play in a ZBS, and I don't think he's that good anyway.

[Sveen]

I'm looking forward to get some sleep now. 3:30 AM where I'm at... :( But can't wait for it to start up again tomorrow :D

[RedVision]

wasn't Scott ready to bet that he wouldn't even be a 4th rounder?

[Byrd430]

I like Volmer allot...but that was a reach. If he's still there at 64, i can see the Steelers jumping all over Beatty.

Damn well better.

[sbh15]

This is getting painful. New England's pass rush is still not looking good. I'd even take Michael Johnson at this point honestly. That's a new low for me.

If there's one thing I've learned, it's not to question the Pats when it comes to drafting.

Ever.

[Sveen]

anybody else surprised that there has only been one TE off the board?
No. You're not. Surprised too.

[coordinator0]

Baltimore with another solid choice

You think he's a solid choice? I hate it personally.

[sbh15]

I'd watch out for a TE here for CAR... Jake Delhomme needs all the help he can get.

[Sniper]

If there's one thing I've learned, it's not to question the Pats when it comes to drafting.

Ever.

You'd think people would have figured this out by now.

ZOMGZ WHO THE **** IS THIS BRADY SCRUB? BARELY STARTED AT MICHIGAN!!!?! HE MUST SUCK ******* BALLS!

[Matthew Jones]

Honestly this Patriots first day was excruciatingly painful. No first round pick, four reaches, including a massive reach at #58. I'd give them a C- or D+ for the first day. When you look at it the Patriots could have ended up with something like Rey Maualuga, Everette Brown, William Moore, and Sean Smith. That's unforgivable.

[Byrd430]

You'd think people would have figured this out by now.

ZOMGZ WHO THE **** IS THIS BRADY SCRUB? BARELY STARTED AT MICHIGAN!!!?! HE MUST SUCK ******* BALLS!

Lol... But Pioli is gone. Did he have a lot to do with evaluating talent?

[TitanHope]

Pats are having a good draft, IMO, ROP. Don't fret buddy. Darius Butler could eventually be the best CB in this draft, Patrick Chung is a player, and Brace is insurance for Wilfork possibly hitting FA. Vollmer is "eh," but as PF28 said, his ceiling is through the roof!

[Sniper]

Honestly this Patriots first day was excruciatingly painful. No first round pick, four reaches, including a massive reach at #58. I'd give them a C- or D+ for the first day. When you look at it the Patriots could have ended up with something like Rey Maualuga, Everette Brown, William Moore, and Sean Smith. That's unforgivable.

Stop it. Just stop. The Patriots have shown time after time that they know what they're doing. Christ, stop bitching and moaning. They know what they're doing.

[Jakey]

You'd think people would have figured this out by now.

ZOMGZ WHO THE **** IS THIS BRADY SCRUB? BARELY STARTED AT MICHIGAN!!!?! HE MUST SUCK ******* BALLS!

Dude, you know thats not true...he played at Michigan...he is good by default.

[sbh15]

I don't know how you don't go D.J. Moore if you're picking a CB there.

By the way, I like what the Patriots are doing. Four second rounders, three of them early, and they're drafting guys in the right spots. The only pick I question is Vollmer.

[Nalej]

Pats are having a good draft, IMO, ROP. Don't fret buddy. Darius Butler could eventually be the best CB in this draft, Patrick Chung is a player, and Brace is insurance for Wilfork possibly hitting FA. Vollmer is "eh," but as PF28 said, his ceiling is through the roof!

We have a hole @ OLB and Bruschi is on his last year.
The fact that we haven't addressed LB (O or I) is beyond comprehension

[Sniper]

Dude, you know thats not true...he played at Michigan...he is good by default.

True story.

[JRTPlaya21]

Easy sbh. You go Macho Harris instead ;)

[Sniper]

We have a hole @ OLB and Bruschi is on his last year.
The fact that we haven't addressed LB (O or I) is beyond comprehension

The fact that Patriots fans still doubt Belichick boggles my mind.

[abaddon41_80]

The Patriots are having an amazing draft. They got potentially the best nose tackle and corner in the draft and Chung could be the next Rodney Harrison. Vollmer is a little bit of a reach but his ceiling is super high.

[BradysKnee]

Honestly this Patriots first day was excruciatingly painful. No first round pick, four reaches, including a massive reach at #58. I'd give them a C- or D+ for the first day. When you look at it the Patriots could have ended up with something like Rey Maualuga, Everette Brown, William Moore, and Sean Smith. That's unforgivable.

Well, they put alot more hours than anyone here does into it, and maybe they don't like them as much as you? Maualuga obviously wasn't as well liked league wide as everyone thought, its easy to base an opinion on highlights rather than extensive study.

[princefielder28]

Great pick by NYG

[steelernation77]

The fact that Patriots fans still doubt Belichick boggles my mind.

The Pats have had some sub par drafts recently.

[BradysKnee]

The Patriots are having an amazing draft. They got potentially the best nose tackle and corner in the draft and Chung could be the next Rodney Harrison. Vollmer is a little bit of a reach but his ceiling is super high.

I personally like the Pats Draft so far, 4 3rd rounders will allow them to solidify the roster. B+

[Sniper]

The Pats have had some sub par drafts recently.

...and yet they're still amongst the NFL's elites.

[Hines]

Poop, I wanted Beatty for our second pick.

[Matthew Jones]

Stop it. Just stop. The Patriots have shown time after time that they know what they're doing. Christ, stop bitching and moaning. They know what they're doing.

It's not like the Patriots are infallible in the draft. They take busts just like everyone else. Laurence Maroney is leaning that way, Ben Watson was a bust, Chad Jackson was a bust, David Thomas and Garrett Mills were busts, Marquise Hill didn't get on the field before he died, they've taken some defensive backs last year who they're already trying to replace, and they of course has Gus Scott and Dexter Reid that one year in the third and fourth. Both projected UDFA, neither did anything. Are most Patriots picks pretty good? Yes. Do they mess up? Yes.

Pats are having a good draft, IMO, ROP. Don't fret buddy. Darius Butler could eventually be the best CB in this draft, Patrick Chung is a player, and Brace is insurance for Wilfork possibly hitting FA. Vollmer is "eh," but as PF28 said, his ceiling is through the roof!

Patrick Chung is a liability in most kinds of coverage except against tight ends, Darius Butler hits as hard as a pillow (I would have nightmares about him covering a physical WR like Terrell Owens), Brace is only a second round pick because he can play nose tackle, and Vollmer was projected as a seventh rounder by most people.

[jnew76]

Beatty/Sintim/Nicks - That is a really solid draft with really good value.

[Mr. Hero]

Great pick by NYG

I love our first day, Nicks, SIntim and Beatty is a great haul. Now grab Barden and vaughn in the third with an interior lineman in the fourth or fifth and i'll start making Jerry Reese a "I own the NFL draft" plaque.

[TitanHope]

I wonder if Maualuga was completely removed from draft boards. No clue why though...

[Nalej]

The fact that Patriots fans still doubt Belichick boggles my mind.

Don't get me wrong. I know they know what they're doing.
I like all the picks--- the OT made me raise my eyebrow---
but I understand what they're doing.
It's just we have no one able to start opposite A. Thomas
Jason Taylor might be the reason why we haven't picked an OLB yet.
Let Crable develop behind him...


I don't doubt their picks... I just wish I knew what is going through their minds when they pick their players sometimes

[Sniper]

It's not like the Patriots are infallible in the draft.

Fine. Trade me your Super Bowl wins for the Eagles' highly ranked draft classes, okay?

[jnew76]

Kiper says that Matt Barkley will be the #1 pick in 3 years... He was right about Stafford.

[sbh15]

He is wrong, it will be John Brantley. If that's even possible. I think Brantley is a Soph...

[iBoldin]

Praying for Lawrence Sidbury to fall and we go ahead and snatch him up here.

[Matthew Jones]

We have a hole @ OLB and Bruschi is on his last year.
The fact that we haven't addressed LB (O or I) is beyond comprehension

This is also a big part of the bad grade. The team has no young, proven MLB to put next to Mayo and we're starting a stroke victim approaching his 40s with a bad knee and Tully Banta-Cain, a guy who the team liked so much after his first year as a starter that they didn't even try to re-sign him. They must have really liked the half-sack he picked up for the 49ers this year before getting released.

[Sniper]

He is wrong, it will be Tate Forcier.

Best belee' dat!

[Byrd430]

Mustain made a mistake going to USC.

[Smokey Joe]

RoP, I wouldn't question Belichick to much. I think he knows what he's doing.

[scottyboy]

Reese needs to make up for the Beatty pick with Ingram and Greene in the 3rd.

[superman]

He is wrong, it will be John Brantley. If that's even possible. I think Brantley is a Soph...

not as long as he's a qb in uf's offense

[Byrd430]

He is wrong, it will be John Brantley. If that's even possible. I think Brantley is a Soph...

If Brantley even gets a chance to play....

[Hines]

Dammit, now Sean Smith is gone. I wonder if the Steeles will get Gilbert now.

[Smokey Joe]

Will we ever see 2 players from Utah and 3 players from UConn being first day picks ever again in the same draft?

[Boston]

Fine. Trade me your Super Bowl wins for the Eagles' highly ranked draft classes, okay?

What are you arguing about? The Patriots have been so good because they've been able to keep that same core of players for so long, and have added key free agents when they needed to. Yeah the draft has played an important part for them, but it isn't crazy to say there last few drafts haven't been 'god-like.'

[Sniper]

thebow just blew his load.

[jnew76]

Best belee' dat!

You obviously just forgot about Blaine Gabbert... I will let it slide.

[draftguru151]

Meh Sean Smith. Cool?

[sbh15]

If Brantley even gets a chance to play....

Uh... Tim Tebow is a senior and don't believe that Trey Burton will be seeing the field any time soon. Brantley will be a star in any offense, he's going to be a great overall quarterback.

The first overall thing was obviously a joke though.

[Matthew Jones]

Fine. Trade me your Super Bowl wins for the Eagles' highly ranked draft classes, okay?

I think the Patriots could have easily won a couple more Super Bowls if they actually addressed key issues on their defense. They melted down against the Colts in an AFC Championship game they ultimately lost 38-34 after failing to replace an extremely lethargic defense. After this, Bill Belichick obviously decided his offense wasn't good enough and went on a signing rampage. The defense got one player (Adalius Thomas) in his 30s. I don't see how you allow 38 points in a playoff game and then add only one player on that side of the ball.

Guess how that year ended? The Patriots went to the Super Bowl, Tom Brady led the team down the field in the fourth quarter and threw a touchdown to give them the lead...and the defense blew it on the last drive again. That's two times they should have won the Super Bowl if not for an old, slow, injury-prone defense.

[jnew76]

Kruger and Oher is uber solid for the Ravens

[superman]

Uh... Tim Tebow is a senior and don't believe that Trey Burton will be seeing the field any time soon. Brantley will be a star in any offense, he's going to be a great overall quarterback.

The first overall thing was obviously a joke though.

if your location wasn't "percy land" this would hold more weight

[Byrd430]

Uh... Tim Tebow is a senior and don't believe that Trey Burton will be seeing the field any time soon. Brantley will be a star in any offense, he's going to be a great overall quarterback.

The first overall thing was obviously a joke though.

Brantley and Burton will battle for the starting job next year. With Burton getting a year under his belt and having tons of potential, I'm just saying....

Personally think Brantley will get the job.

[coordinator0]

Kruger and Oher is uber solid for the Ravens

IDK about the Kruger pick Doesn't seem to be a good fit for the hybrids we run... unless he bulks up a bit and can play DE in both fronts. IDK though...

[Iamcanadian]

I personally like the Pats Draft so far, 4 3rd rounders will allow them to solidify the roster. B+


I agree, this draft was all about depth and potential for NE and I think they did quite well. We might think some of the bigger names are better players but the facts usually show they don't turnout too well and dropped for many reasons. I personally think in this weak draft, NE will come out smelling like roses and I hate NE.

[sbh15]

Brantley and Burton will battle for the starting job next year. With Burton getting a year under his belt and having tons of potential, I'm just saying....

Personally think Brantley will get the job.

Let's keep this out of this thread for now, if you really want to debate this, PM me.

[Ravens1991]

IDK about the Kruger pick Doesn't seem to be a good fit for the hybrids we run... unless he bulks up a bit and can play DE in both fronts. IDK though...

He is a great rotational guy who can play 3-4 or 4-3 DE.

[jnew76]

IDK about the Kruger pick Doesn't seem to be a good fit for the hybrids we run... unless he bulks up a bit and can play DE in both fronts. IDK though...

I think Kruger has the ability to add weight, but I think he will be great in a rotation/combination role in that defense. I believe he is talented enough to have a big role in that defense.

[Iamcanadian]

IDK about the Kruger pick Doesn't seem to be a good fit for the hybrids we run... unless he bulks up a bit and can play DE in both fronts. IDK though...

Kruger's main reason for falling is that he only has one kidney. He is an extremely high motor type who any coach would love to have. Worst case scenerio, he's a dynamic special teamer.

[Byrd430]

The 4th UCONN player goes off the board...

[TitanHope]

Intrigued by the Marks pick. Took RB two years in a row, and now we've taken a DT two years in a row.

[Byrd430]

Lol at Gruden... NFLN crackin me up right now...

[coordinator0]

Ahh... the NFLN guys are having fun again lol.

[jnew76]

The Cardinals continue to add pieces that fit. They used to not be able to do that in the draft. Brown can rush the passer and should develop.