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Go Cowboys
04-26-2009, 04:54 PM
What are your feelings on this pick based on value, need etc..


Draft Picks
Round 3 (69) - Jason Williams, LB, Western Illinois Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/Jason-Williams.php)
Round 3 (75) - Robert Brewster, OL, Ball St. Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/ot/Robert-Brewster.php)
Round 4 (101) - Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/qb/Stephen-McGee.php)
Round 4 (110) - Victor Butler, DE/OLB, Oregon ST Scouting Report (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/victor-butler?id=80725#profiles-tabs:players-analysis)
Round 4 (120) - Brandon Williams, DE/OLB, Texas Tech Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/Brandon-Williams.php)
Round 5 (143) - Deangelo Smith, CB, Cincinati Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/DeAngelo-Smith.php)
Round 5 (166) - Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/Michael-Hamlin.php)
Round 5 (172) - David Buehler, K, USC Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/k/David-Buehler.php)
Round 6 (197) - Stephen Hodge, S/LB, TCU Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/Stephen-Hodge.php)
Round 6 (208) - John Phillips, TE, Virginia Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/te/John-Phillips.php)
Round 7 (227) - Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinati Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/cb/Mike-Mickens.php)
Round 7 (229) - Manuel Johnson, WR, Oklahoma Scouting Report (http://www.draftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/wr/Manuel-Johnson.php)

thule
04-26-2009, 08:18 PM
I gave it a C.

Round 3 (69) - Jason Williams, LB, Western Illinois Scouting Report
A- - addressed our biggest need...only question is how soon will he be on the level of kevin burnett after playing weak opponites.

Round 3 (75) - Robert Brewster, OL, Ball St. Scouting Report
D - I don't know enough about Brewster to make a great post about him...but I do know that I liked other guys better. i'd be fine being wrong about this...but I don't even know who he is

Round 4 (101) - Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M Scouting Report
C - McGee was one of my favorite QB's in the draft...however taking him over Bomar is why the draft grade is lower.

Round 4 (110) - Victor Butler, DE/OLB, Oregon ST Scouting Report
C - Don't know enough about him to comment...just give him an average grade for now.

Round 4 (120) - Brandon Williams, DE/OLB, Texas Tech Scouting Report
C - C - Don't know enough about him to comment...just give him an average grade for now.

Round 5 (143) - Deangelo Smith, CB, Cincinati Scouting Report
C- - I liked some other return men better but fine with a 4th - 5th CB here.

Round 5 (166) - Michael Hamlin, S, Clemson Scouting Report
B - An upgrade over what we have at SS if you can say that. A good special teamer that will be quality depth for us.

Round 5 (172) - David Buehler, K, USC Scouting Report
D - I don't mind Buehler as a prospect...but you don't draft a KOS when you carry 3 QBs off imo.

Round 6 (197) - Stephen Hodge, S/LB, TCU Scouting Report
C+ - Our replacement for Davis...I'm not sold that he is on that level but should be a good special teamer. Bye bye Justin Rogers

Round 6 (208) - John Phillips, TE, Virginia Scouting Report
B- - I love this pick...he gives a ton of special teams vaue...and can play as the 3rd TE effectively.

Round 7 (227) - Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinati Scouting Report
B - Good value pick this late....should make the team.

Round 7 (229) - Manuel Johnson, WR, Oklahoma Scouting Report
F - Won't have a chance to make the roster...could have drafted me if we wanted to waste a pick haha.

Overall C
This draft is going to churn the bottom of the roster with some youthful talent...we added good youthful pass rushers with talent...something we haven't ever really had depth wise. No player is really safe this year...with exception of the big guys....this TC should be fun...

herniateddisc
04-26-2009, 08:32 PM
D -- and that is generous.

Too many picks under the theory of churning the roster but fact is their are more efficient ways of doing this including cheap FA, UDFA, waiver wire.

Most of the picks were reaches. The best picks were after the 4th (Hamlin and Mickens) so ... how good really are they to begin with? When you are calling your 5th rounders your best choices .... ug. We needed quality, not quantity. For example, all these LB is really a waste.

I won't say we are losing team this year but IT IS VERY CLEAR we are going backwards in overall talent level. Our talent evals are getting worse, our reaching on projects is getting worse, our internal development of talent once they get here sucks, and our GM thinks he can wear 4-5 hats effectively.

GM is a full time job and Jerry is failing at it just like Al Davis.

skinzzfan25
04-26-2009, 08:44 PM
FYI I love the Mickens pick in the 7th.

Jason Williams is a solid pick, but having no 1st day picks hurts.

herniateddisc
04-26-2009, 08:46 PM
Mickens and Hamlin were very good picks.

skinzzfan25
04-26-2009, 08:48 PM
Mickens and Hamlin were very good picks.

If they pan out, plus Scandrick from last year who seems pretty legit, it would defiantly help shore up your secondary.

Im_a_Romosexual
04-26-2009, 08:48 PM
This must have been the Jason Williams thread. the only one I voted "A"

Round 3 (69) - Jason Williams, LB, Western Illinois
A Great Athlete, should see the field a lot on ST and in Kevin Burnett's role

Round 3 (75) - Robert Brewster, OL, Ball St.
C+ I like the guy, but we reached IMO. Smart, hardworking kind of guy who is a solid run blocker and a good pass blocker. Has a shot at LG

Round 4 (101) - Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M
C- Wasn't a fan of going QB this early. Romo doesn't need to be replaced and Kitna can back up for a few more years.

Round 4 (110) - Victor Butler, DE/OLB, Oregon ST
C+ Another guy who I like, but felt we reached on. Would've LOVED DJ Moore here

Round 4 (120) - Brandon Williams, DE/OLB, Texas Tech
B Love this pick. Great athlete, but as of now is only a pass rusher. Really impressed me when I saw him vs Texas.

Round 5 (143) - Deangelo Smith, CB, Cincinati
C Don't know much about him. Our return man? Safety or corner?

Round 5 (166) - Michael Hamlin, S,
C+ not a big fan, but good value and should have a spot on the roster, which is good for a 5th rounder

Round 5 (172) - David Buehler, K, USC
F Waste. Folk is young and a pro bowler, not a need in any way what so ever. Kickoff specialist is a absolute waste of a roster spot IMO

Round 6 (197) - Stephen Hodge, S/LB, TCU
C I don't know what position he'll be. Seems too big for a safety, too small/short for a linebacker. Special Teams ace possibility.

Round 6 (208) - John Phillips, TE, Virginia
D Didn't think we would go TE. Is he better than Hannah? Maybe, but should provide good competition. Would've preferred to do that in UDFA though.

Round 7 (227) - Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinati
A Great value in the 7th. Good athlete and a playmaker.

Round 7 (229) - Manuel Johnson, WR, Oklahoma
F Not making the team. JAG.

C Would've liked to see DL adressed. likely not an impact class like last year, but should improve the overall depth. Quality>Quantity IMO

herniateddisc
04-26-2009, 08:51 PM
This must have been the Jason Williams thread. the only one I voted "A"

Round 3 (69) - Jason Williams, LB, Western Illinois
A Great Athlete, should see the field a lot on ST and in Kevin Burnett's role

Round 3 (75) - Robert Brewster, OL, Ball St.
C+ I like the guy, but we reached IMO. Smart, hardworking kind of guy who is a solid run blocker and a good pass blocker. Has a shot at LG

Round 4 (101) - Stephen McGee, QB, Texas A&M
C- Wasn't a fan of going QB this early. Romo doesn't need to be replaced and Kitna can back up for a few more years.

Round 4 (110) - Victor Butler, DE/OLB, Oregon ST
C+ Another guy who I like, but felt we reached on. Would've LOVED DJ Moore here

Round 4 (120) - Brandon Williams, DE/OLB, Texas Tech
B Love this pick. Great athlete, but as of now is only a pass rusher. Really impressed me when I saw him vs Texas.

Round 5 (143) - Deangelo Smith, CB, Cincinati
C Don't know much about him. Our return man? Safety or corner?

Round 5 (166) - Michael Hamlin, S,
C+ not a big fan, but good value and should have a spot on the roster, which is good for a 5th rounder

Round 5 (172) - David Buehler, K, USC
F Waste. Folk is young and a pro bowler, not a need in any way what so ever. Kickoff specialist is a absolute waste of a roster spot IMO

Round 6 (197) - Stephen Hodge, S/LB, TCU
C I don't know what position he'll be. Seems too big for a safety, too small/short for a linebacker. Special Teams ace possibility.

Round 6 (208) - John Phillips, TE, Virginia
D Didn't think we would go TE. Is he better than Hannah? Maybe, but should provide good competition. Would've preferred to do that in UDFA though.

Round 7 (227) - Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinati
A Great value in the 7th. Good athlete and a playmaker.

Round 7 (229) - Manuel Johnson, WR, Oklahoma
F Not making the team. JAG.

C Would've liked to see DL adressed. likely not an impact class like last year, but should improve the overall depth.

The problem is our Owner has fallen in love with all of them -- which is why he reached -- so in turn he will force Wade to keep most of them to prove he is right.

Then a two to three years later he discards them because we don't know how to develop talent in Dallas anymore.... and Jerry continues to be a genius and great owner according to the homers.

We are back to 1996-2002. Slow erosion under the auspices of GM Turd.

Go Cowboys
04-26-2009, 08:58 PM
Don't forget that Roy Williams should be factored into this draft

pocketaces
04-26-2009, 09:01 PM
Its funny, you say the same exact things every year. Last years draft sucked too except the players actually turned out good.

E-Man
04-26-2009, 09:04 PM
I give it a C for now. It makes no sense to grade a draft right now, because nobody has even played a down. It's just prospects. I'm just giving it a C out of fun. There were reaches, but who knows who would've went where. Like pocketaces said everybody wanted to take Duke in the 3rd, and everybody would've been happy. Looking back that would've been a reach because he was falling like crazy until the 5th. Maybe Brewster, Butler, Williams, etc. had more teams after them than we knew. But it's a C for now based on the seeming philosophy of taking a ton of players to see what sticks.

herniateddisc
04-26-2009, 09:07 PM
Its funny, you say the same exact things every year. Last years draft sucked too except the players actually turned out good.

Er, no loser. Go back to the thread and re-read. I really hate when guys like you make things up.

I was pretty clear I thought we mis-used picks and over invested in certain positions when we could have been more efficient.

Was not a fan of Jones in the first b/c I thought his kind of production could be had later in the draft. I think I was right -- see Steve Slayton and Jamaal Charles. Mis-spent first IMHO.

Loved Jenkins and he is the one I am most disappointed in.

Hated Martellus b/c we did not need a TE. I figured Hannah, Curtis and Witten was good enuff considering we threw Fasano in the trash. Mis-spent second IMHO,

Not crazy about Choice b/c Mendenhall would have solved more problems with one pick back in the 1st. This pick and Bennett had lots of other options and players and in no way reflects on Tashard.

Loved Scandrick. In fact, I loved that we upgraded our speed in DB overall.

Have to go look to remember better the rest but I hated Walden and said he uwas UDFA trash that we did not need.

So.

Burns336
04-26-2009, 10:13 PM
I voted D. This draft was poop. Jerry can only redeem himself by signing UDFA Chris Baker :)

FearTheSpur
04-26-2009, 10:48 PM
C, it wasn't exciting and some picks were questionable, but this draft will be graded years down the road because most of our picks seemed to be guys who will take some time before they are ready to play full time in the NFL.

mat33
04-26-2009, 11:24 PM
I gave it a B

Round 3 (69) - Jason Williams, LB
A) Should be able to play the nickle from day one while being a stud special teamer, potential to be a starter and three down linebacker.

Round 3 (75) - Robert Brewster, OL
C) Haven't seen much of him but the kid is big, tough, and you know he will be motivated as he has a 7-month old son and is a single dad.

Round 4 (101) - Stephen McGee, QB
A) I had him as my thrid QB in the draft and I think that he has potential to be a starter down the road, anytime you get that in round four it's a steal.

Round 4 (110) - Victor Butler, DE/OLB
D) This is the first pick that I am questioning, I don't know much about him, but he seems too slow to play OLB, could be a pass rush specialist and special teams player, fourth round seems early for that.

Round 4 (120) - Brandon Williams, DE/OLB
B+) Unlike Butler, I think that Williams could eventually start at OLB opposite Ware if he shows he can play against the run, and like Williams and Buter he should help the special teams unit.

Round 5 (143) - Deangelo Smith, CB/S
B) I really liked this kid, heck of an athlete and ball hawk, he could easily end up as the starting safety by the time September rolls around.

Round 5 (166) - Michael Hamlin, S
B) Immediately better than any of the reserve safeties on the Cowboys roster, I don't think he ever starts but is a solid backup and stud special teamer.

Round 5 (172) - David Buehler, K
C) At first I was confused, but now I'm starting to come around on this guy, heck of an athlete who could be a KOS and play in other coverage units, the issue comes with putting him on the 53-man roster with 3 QBs and 3 other specialists.

Round 6 (197) - Stephen Hodge, S/LB
A+) Best value of the draft, will never start but is Keith Davis 2.0 which in round six is rediculous value.

Round 6 (208) - John Phillips, TE
D) I really don't like him, he is not an elite blocker and I don't think that he beats out Rodney Hannah.

Round 7 (227) - Mike Mickens, CB
B) Good value pick this late, should be slotted as the fourth corner on this team.

Round 7 (229) - Manuel Johnson, WR
D) I thought that there were better WRs available but I think that he can be an adequate WR in the NFL, should compete with with Hurd and Stanback for the 4th and 5th spots.

DallCowby1
04-26-2009, 11:43 PM
I gave our draft a "C"! Come back in three years and we'll re-grade.

I liked the picks of J.Williams, Brewster and McGee,!

Butler and B.Williams I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the scouting and coaching staff.

Smith, Hamlin, Hodge, Phillips, Mickens and Johnson are good value picks. They have a roster shot with special teams play. Hopefully they step up and prove they are more.

The only pick that was a "WTF" pick was the drafting of the kicker.

crisco0710
04-27-2009, 01:11 AM
Wow at yall not liking Bueler. Over his career at usc he had 55% Touchbacks! Our placekicker didnt have 1 last year and opponents average start was at the 29. That is a great pickup and hopefully he is kicking off for us next season.

LizardState
04-27-2009, 09:17 AM
D -- and that is generous.

Too many picks under the theory of churning the roster but fact is their are more efficient ways of doing this including cheap FA, UDFA, waiver wire.

Most of the picks were reaches. The best picks were after the 4th (Hamlin and Mickens) so ... how good really are they to begin with? When you are calling your 5th rounders your best choices .... ug. We needed quality, not quantity. For example, all these LB is really a waste.

I won't say we are losing team this year but IT IS VERY CLEAR we are going backwards in overall talent level. Our talent evals are getting worse, our reaching on projects is getting worse, our internal development of talent once they get here sucks, and our GM thinks he can wear 4-5 hats effectively.

GM is a full time job and Jerry is failing at it just like Al Davis.

Agree 100%, also voted a too-generous D -- the avg. talent level of the team is now in decline, the arrow is pointing down. Passing on the safety need means making do this yr. & waiting for Eric Berry or Taylor Mays next draft, ignoring that glaring need is like putting a bandaid on a rattlesnake bite & hoping it will go away.

crisco0710
04-27-2009, 10:31 AM
I am estatic at our chances at getting mays or berry next year.