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Bengals78
04-26-2009, 06:39 PM
My immediate reaction is just WOW!
Andre Smith, Rey Maualuga, Michael Johnson, Chase Coffman and Jonathon Luigs.

Awesome.

All those guys could start for us sooner or later.


Individual pick grade:
Andre Smith - A
Rey Maualuga - A+
Michael Johnson - B
Chase Coffman - B
Jonathon Luigs - B
Kevin Huber - B- (a little early but Ill take it)
Morgan Trent - D
Bernard Scott - D
Taufui Vakapuna - C-
Clinton McDonald - C
Freddie Brown - F
Overall grade: A

themaninblack
04-26-2009, 06:59 PM
I am loving this draft

PalmerToCJ
04-26-2009, 07:41 PM
We got possibly 4 immediate starters (Smith, Maualuga, Luigs and Huber).

Johnson and Coffman will probably see the field from the beginning. Johnson especially, if he could rack up about 6 sacks that would be big for us.

Our defense FINALLY doesn't have any large holes. Sure, it's not perfect but reasonable health provided... We have top 10 potential with our defense.

I'm honestly kinda hoping Smith goes to RT and Collins to LT, then we could go back to running it on teams to the right side.

I sure hope we actually use Coffman, using a TE could help to offset the loss of TJ.

Bengals78
04-26-2009, 07:58 PM
I sure hope we actually use Coffman, using a TE could help to offset the loss of TJ.

I think that was the big logic in this pick. Add an extra target to help replace the big one we lost.

themaninblack
04-26-2009, 09:02 PM
I'm honestly kinda hoping Smith goes to RT and Collins to LT, then we could go back to running it on teams to the right side.


This is what I've been wanting/saying for awhile now. Smith at RT and Collins at LT would be amazing for a long time. I do feel like Smith could play LT but I think it works out better for the both of them if they put them at those spots.

Bengalsrocket
04-27-2009, 05:50 AM
I think that was the big logic in this pick. Add an extra target to help replace the big one we lost.

I think Coles, Henry and Ochocinco will be enough targets. And I'm still optimistic about Utecht.

Coffman seems like a bit of a project to me, but we shall see!

BengalMedic
04-27-2009, 09:48 AM
What's up guys ?? Checking in for the reaction here.

I loved the draft, no other way to say it.

Andre Smith was the guy I wanted all along in the first and was happy with that.
Rey Maualuga being there in the 2nd was a no brainer pick gift wrapped from God.
Michael Johnson can provide the pass rush and was a projected 1st rounder early on.
Chase Coffman was another one I wanted. Look at his stats and tell me he won't fit.
Jonathan Luigs isn't the guy I wanted, but he will be an upgrade to Ghiacuic.
Kevin Huber was the best punter in the draft and isn't a project. Starter.
Morgan Trent isn't a guy I wanted, but maybe they can coach him up. Is he better than Castille ?
Bernard Scott was a very productive RB will all sorts of skills. Poor character.
Taufui Vakapuna was a guy Anderson just went on and on about and impressed his pro day.
McDonald and Brown ?? Who cares ??

I'm more impressed with Quan Cosby out of Texas than I am Freddie Brown, but I'm not sure where he fits on this team as a 27 year old rookie...

hobbes2053
04-27-2009, 09:50 AM
I think Coles, Henry and Ochocinco will be enough targets. And I'm still optimistic about Utecht.

Coffman seems like a bit of a project to me, but we shall see!

As it turns out, Coffman can learn under Utecht in order to get more accustomed to being in an NFL offense. I really like the Coffman pick because, like was stated earlier, he kind of makes up for what we lost in TJ. Maybe he doesn't completely replace TJ, but along with the acquisition of Coles, I think we may have taken a step forward instead of going backward.

BengalMedic
04-27-2009, 10:12 AM
As for Freddie Brown, the last pick of the draft:

I read something on another board that had me crying.

Can you imagine how funny it would be to see his jersey ??

"F. Brown"

Priceless...

derza222
04-27-2009, 10:41 AM
I thought it was a great draft for the Bengals.

Defensively in the back 7 you get the MLB of the future in Maualuga and a project DB in Trent. Rey should be a leader of this defense and a great NFL player with a chip on his shoulder after falling, not really important but I wonder if he gets his 58. Trent could be nothing but he's got the skills to do some nice things so for the later pick it's worth it.

On the DL I think the pass rush really improves. Johnson could be great situationally, gets a third round version of that first round lanky pass-rushing end Marvin seems to have always wanted, and eventually is definitely capable of starting. Plus he's obviously got the first round talent. McDonald should be a great situational pass rusher inside and I thought was a fantastic pick as late as they grabbed him.

Offensively you solidify the line with Smith and Luigs. That was huge. Both should start, Smith gives you a great athlete and run-blocker wherever he plays and he and Collins should be fantastic bookend tackles. Very important in the AFC North to have those tackles, so it's great to get him. Hopefully he learns from his mistakes. And Luigs will probably be able to start from day 1 and help fix up the weakest position on the OL.

Scott's a great potential RB who could really spell Benson well, surprised they waited that long but they managed to grab an earlier round talent. Coffman confuses me a little because he's so similar to Utecht but he can definitely be a good weapon for Palmer and as somebody said he and LC should be able to help replace Housh. Manage to grab a potential FB of the future in the late rounds which is always nice, and cap things off with some fantastic comedy in F Brown. Doubt he makes the roster, but at that point it's a long shot anyway.

Plus there's a starting punter in there with Huber who is familiar with punting in the area. Excellent draft.

Bengals78
04-27-2009, 11:19 AM
Very good and respectable write up. +rep

themaninblack
04-27-2009, 11:44 AM
Marvin made a great point about this draft class that actually really surprised me. Basically, he said the thing he likes most about this class is that almost every prospect we picked has something to prove in the NFL. Just thought it was a very interesting take on it.

Bengals78
04-27-2009, 03:35 PM
Sometimes thats the worst thing for the OTHER team, a bunch of young talented guys with a lot to prove and pretty much nothing to lose.

themaninblack
04-27-2009, 07:36 PM
Sometimes thats the worst thing for the OTHER team, a bunch of young talented guys with a lot to prove and pretty much nothing to lose.

Yeah, I can really see it with a lot of these guys:

Smith- wants to prove the character concerns are overblown and that he can possibly play LT in the NFL though I really think hes going to be a dominant RT.

Maualuga- Similar maturity concerns, also wants to prove he should have been drafted much higher.

Johnson- needs to prove he can fulfill his great potential and that he has a motor.

Coffman- needs to prove that he can be an adept blocker.

Luigs- that he was being overlooked as a top C in his senior season.

staubach41
04-27-2009, 10:46 PM
This draft and last year's draft have pieces falling in place for the Bengals. Both of those classes mesh well together which will give stability on defense and with the retooling of the line, that offense which can be so dynamic. However, everyone needs to get to the camps, so all the new pieces can get accustomed to the new. Overall, very exciting draft.

Bengals78
04-27-2009, 11:40 PM
I agree 100% about getting everyone to camp now to get them working as a team

StripedWalrus
04-28-2009, 02:28 AM
Loving your guys new Maualuga and Smash bros sigs!

Bengals78
04-28-2009, 07:37 AM
HA thanks. Falcon did one heck of a job on mine.
Your sig kills me every time though lol.

You need Rey and Domata with their flowing locks in there ha

themaninblack
04-28-2009, 11:02 AM
I think we can go ahead and say this is the best offseason this team has had in a VERY long time. We won't really know how this draft fares for awhile but I think we've pretty much done everything we could have done to bring back the guys we needed while bringing in plenty of young talent. Couldn't really ask for much more.

StripedWalrus
04-28-2009, 11:44 AM
I think we can go ahead and say this is the best offseason this team has had in a VERY long time. We won't really know how this draft fare's for awhile but I think we've pretty much done everything we could have done to bring back the guys we needed while bringing in plenty of young talent. Couldn't really ask for much more.

Totally agree. We were able to fix our holes on offense while also being able to improve our defense. Any draft you can do that is successful. It is one of those kinda drafts where as long as everyone stays healthy for the majority you can get a winning team.

SC Igniter
04-29-2009, 05:38 AM
Yeah, I can really see it with a lot of these guys:

Smith- wants to prove the character concerns are overblown and that he can possibly play LT in the NFL though I really think hes going to be a dominant RT.

Maualuga- Similar maturity concerns, also wants to prove he should have been drafted much higher.

Johnson- needs to prove he can fulfill his great potential and that he has a motor.

Coffman- needs to prove that he can be an adept blocker.

Luigs- that he was being overlooked as a top C in his senior season.


Good points. I like that these guys have something to prove and show the pundits up. It will be interesting to see if they can will themselves to be great Bengals. Coaching these guys up will be the key. Of the group, the most uncertain is Johnson on the boom/bust scale, everyone agrees he has the tools but needs to persevere/excel on the moves required to be a great pass rusher.

themaninblack
04-29-2009, 09:45 AM
Good points. I like that these guys have something to prove and show the pundits up. It will be interesting to see if they can will themselves to be great Bengals. Coaching these guys up will be the key. Of the group, the most uncertain is Johnson on the boom/bust scale, everyone agrees he has the tools but needs to persevere/excel on the moves required to be a great pass rusher.

The thing I like about the Johnson pick is that the pressure doesn't need to be on him to the extent that it would have been had he been selected higher. I'm sure the coaches will be all over his ass, but the risk really isn't incredibly high with this kid. It was almost a situation where the possibilities were just to great to pass up. If he fails its not like it is the end of the world and I think that is the most important thing people need to understand with this pick. Not often does an athlete of that caliber last that long in the draft, and I'm glad we have the chance to work with him. I think Marvin will take a very big stake in his development and with the coaching staff we currently have on defense, Its more likely than not that he does succeed.

hobbes2053
04-29-2009, 11:58 AM
I have confidence that Zim will get him to truly tap into his potential. And when he does, look out.

PalmerToCJ
04-29-2009, 12:11 PM
I can't say enough how impressed I am with what Zimmer has been able to do for this defense. That's why I have faith that he will get Johnson and Rey playing up to their potential. I will still say, my absolute only complaint about this draft is that we didn't get Wood or Mack. Granted, I don't blame the FO because I don't think they could justify trading up to get either. It's just an unfortunate case of other teams taking them earlier than anticipated.

SC Igniter
04-29-2009, 06:46 PM
Another guy not mentioned much is Trent kid from Michigan. This might be another good pick for the D, we needed some depth at that spot and he may turn out to be a gem. We don't get many UofM games down here but the ones I've seen had him playing decent (if I'm remembering correctly?).

This draft keeps on getting better for me.

Bengalsrocket
04-29-2009, 07:53 PM
Morgan Trent could be alright. He's more physical than we're accustom to here in Cinci, which could be a nice change. I don't think he'll take the nickel spot this year, but maybe in the near future.

StripedWalrus
04-29-2009, 10:50 PM
Morgan Trent could be alright. He's more physical than we're accustom to here in Cinci, which could be a nice change. I don't think he'll take the nickel spot this year, but maybe in the near future.

That is the kind of CB's that Zim likes. So not too surprising that he was selected.

Bengalsrocket
04-30-2009, 12:15 AM
That is the kind of CB's that Zim likes. So not too surprising that he was selected.

Bump n' run seems to be one of the hardest things to do in the NFL. I hope Zim does a good job teaching him.

Also, since I never contributed earlier - my initial reaction is that we got a lot of "future" picks, and not a whole of immediate impact players.

Andre Smith - obviously he will make an immediate impact. He's big and strong and can at least play RT if we feel comfortable with Collins at LT. Most people say you don't draft a RT with a top 10 pick, but I disagree. Draft picks aren't worth the same every year, and sometimes a great RT is worth picking up early. However, lets hope he can play LT for Carson's sake :)

Rey Maualuga - The second player that can make an immediate impact. My concern is that we're going to stick him at SLB though. While I think he can handle it, I'd rather not let him get to comfortable there then force him to switch to MLB later. The transition to SLB and then back to MLB could be rough on him.

Michael Johnson - Johnson is obviously a bit of a project. If he contributes anything in 2009 I'll be surprised. The risk was definitely worth it, even in the third round, though. I'm hopeful for Odom and Geathers still, but if they don't get their act together this year, hopefully Johnson can replace one next year.

Chase Coffman - He seems like he's basically a glorified receiver. His lack of blocking ability, and the number of targets we already have says to me that he won't be very helpful early on. However, I trust this coaching staff to further improve his receiving skills (that seems to be our greatest strengths) and hopefully teach him to block. I could see Coffman becoming a probowl receiving TE in 2-3 years. Furthermore, he's another exciting addition to the new regime of receivers with Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell.

Jonathan Luigs - He's smart and athletic, but unfortunately doesn't seem all that strong. My concern here is that he seems like he might fit in the mold of Ghiaciuc. His lack of strength might hurt him in our division, but lets hope with the right conditioning and surrounding offensive linemen that he can progress and succeed.

Kevin Huber - I kind of like Kyle Larson, but I understand his lack of leg strength is a cause for concern. Huber's got a strong leg, and is, in my opinion, the best punter in this draft class. The pick seemed early, but you can never overlook special teams and Marvin knows that.

Morgan Trent - we talked about it earlier, but he's slightly more physical than both Hall and Joseph. Let's hope that Zimmer can mold him into a nickel back quickly because we desperately need one if Chris Crocker is going to be playing Safety.

Bernard Scott - Yeah yeah, we're all aware he's had some arrests. And obviously if he gets in more trouble you just scrap your loses and cut him. However, the upside here is huge. I'm not sure our coaching staff is the best choice to tame this kid, but if we can do it he'll be a nice addition to a terrible running back roster.

Fui Vakapuna - FB is definitely a need, but again, I'm not sure this guy can start over Jeremi Johnson or Daniel Coats (assuming Daniel is a FB and not a TE next year). decent pick for the 7th round and admittedly I know very little about him outside of what I heard after we drafted him.

Clinton McDonald - Another guy that will likely spend a lot of time on the bench. He's a little undersized and I don't see the value here. With Tank Johnson, Peko, Pat Sims and Shirley all on the roster I highly doubt he sees any action any time soon. However, he's a smart kid and we all know Marvin Lewis has been screwed over by injuries one to many times, so you know he's just trying to build depth.

Freddie Brown - Don't get this pick. We've got so many WR's and WR projects that I don't know if he'll even make the roster. Although he is smart and has good size. If he does end up making the roster, I hope he can help us go undefeated one day too ;)

Anyways, in the end, the only guys I see as locks to start are Andre Smith & Rey Maualuga. And after that, possibly Huber and Luigs - and believe it or not - Bernard Scott (if for nothing else than the fact that he has very little competition outside of Cedric Benson).

PalmerToCJ
04-30-2009, 01:14 AM
Gotta say I disagree on the guys being immediate impact.

We got almost definitely 3 starters (Smith, Maualuga, Huber). Johnson should see time from the beginning as a pass rusher which we definitely needed. He's not a 3 down DE but would provide fresh legs to get at the QB. Coffman could also see a decent amount of PT. Scott could definitely see the field given our lack of depth at RB. I hope Jeremi Johnson is back to his old self but given that injury, Vakapuna is a nice backup plan. Coats isn't a FB if you ask me. I really really really hope Luigs ends up starting this year, I can't see the other options at this point being that much better.

I can't see many other teams having more guys that will produce immediately. Last season was a much better example of players for development over immediate production.

The only thing I miss (other than a top C) in this draft is a kick returner... We really need one that can have an impact.

Shere Khan
05-03-2009, 02:40 PM
lol, Punters and Kickers get NO respect.

Why do you think Freddie Brown deserves an F?