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TACKLE
04-26-2009, 06:55 PM
I just had to...http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

Now that the 09 draft is in the books. Let's start the 2010 talk!


The DE class has potential to be ridiculous.

sbh15
04-26-2009, 07:12 PM
Carlos Dunlap first overall.

/discussion

FuzzyGopher
04-26-2009, 07:19 PM
Hopefully it is better than this years. I remember at this time last year Kiper or Mayock had Fili Moala as his top prospect and Loadholt was a candidate for #1 overall. However it's never to early to talk about the draft. :)

jballa838
04-26-2009, 07:38 PM
Jake Locker was 16 of 18 in our spring game. Yes, he can do everything.

/thread

wicket
04-26-2009, 07:40 PM
mickey loomis will find a way to screw next year up as well

keylime_5
04-26-2009, 07:41 PM
The Gerald McCoy and Carlos Dunlap draft. Two elite safeties (mays, berry), two elite DTs (mccoy, suh), two elite WRs (bryant, benn), and no elite RBs.

cdub11
04-26-2009, 07:41 PM
Sergio Kindle

keylime_5
04-26-2009, 07:42 PM
all ESPN will talk about is freakin' Tim Tebow - who will not be a good pro at any position.

...and I'm not looking forward to any more lisp-ridden Tebow interviews.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-26-2009, 07:46 PM
Sergio Kindle is going to be a monster. Also I'm smitten over Aurellious Benn. Next years DT class could be sick. Obviously Gerald Mccoy but then Marvin Austin, Terrence Cody, Ndamukong Suh, Demarcus Granger, Vince Oghobaase. I think the ILB class is going to be even weaker than this years. Spikes is probably the top player and I don't even think he's a great ILB prospect. I don't foresee the CB class being anywhere near this years class in terms of quality and depth. The safety class is far superior though with superstars in Eric Berry and Taylor Mays. Delmas was really the only safety I gave a true day 1 draft grade to. If Benn and Dez declare it could be a nasty WR class. Also Damian Williams and I guy I love in Gilyard from Cinci. I actually think the RB class will be weak again. Spiller will probably be the top senior back but he's a poor man's Chris Johnson. Jahvid Best probably has the best chance to be the can't miss RB as I don't believe Joe McKnight will be a stud NFL player. Noel Devine and Demarco Murray are explosive but don't have NFL size.

Hurricanes25
04-26-2009, 07:49 PM
I think Chris Brown from Oklahoma will be one of the top running backs for next years draft. Iam going to keep a close eye on him this year.

HawkEye30
04-26-2009, 07:51 PM
seatlle will get eric berry with denvers first round pick, and aerelious benn or dez bryant or lt with the other, ohhh yeaaaa i g2g change my pants lol

TACKLE
04-26-2009, 07:53 PM
If Greg Hardy can stay healthy, he should be a top 10 pick. He's an awesome natural athlete but he's also got a really complete game and a great motor.

draftguru151
04-26-2009, 08:46 PM
Greg Hardy Ole Miss, George Selvie USF, Brandon Graham Michigan, Corey Wootton Northwestern, Antonio Coleman Auburn, Ricky Sapp Clemson, Jeremy Jarmon Kentucky, Greg Middleton Indiana, Austin English Oklahoma, Willie Young NC State, Marcus Tillman Ole Miss, Jermaine Cunningham Florida, Jerry Hughes TCU, Rahim Alem LSU, Roderick Battle Georgia, Derrrick Onwuachi Minnesota, Brandon Lang Troy, Dexter Davis Arizona State, Tyson Alualu Cal, Brandon Deaderick Alabama, Broderick Stewart Vanderbilt

Jeremy Beal Oklahoma, Everson Griffen USC, Carlos Dunlap Florida, Derrick Morgan Georgia Tech, Greg Romeus Pittsburgh, Jeffrey Fitzgerald Kansas State, Clifton Geathers South Carolina, Jabaal Sheard Pittsburgh, Thad Gibson Ohio State, Jason Worilds Virginia Tech.

Senior and junior DEs for next year. Absolutely ridiculous.

Giantsfan1080
04-26-2009, 08:47 PM
If Anthony Davis comes out from Rutgers early he's going to be a top 3 LT. I also believe Kindle is going to beast this year making him a top 5 pick overall.

AlexDown
04-26-2009, 08:49 PM
Side question, is there a more football name then Colt Mccoy?

skinzzfan25
04-26-2009, 08:51 PM
Side question, is there a more football name then Colt Mccoy?

Colt Brennan >>

Edit: just remembered that LBer we had a few years back Anthony Trucks... sick name haha
http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=TRU246098


What are some of the top OL prospects for next year?? I can't really think of too many. But like everybody has said, defense will be a huge premium early on.

Brent
04-26-2009, 08:52 PM
Side question, is there a more football name then Colt Mccoy?

Lucious Pusey
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=148900

yourfavestoner
04-26-2009, 08:56 PM
Florida is gonna send at least three guys from that defense into the first round - Dunlap, Spikes, and Haden.

TACKLE
04-26-2009, 08:58 PM
He's coming.....

http://usc.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/03/mays0310.jpg

Todd Bertuzzi
04-26-2009, 08:59 PM
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33321

draftguru151
04-26-2009, 09:04 PM
He's coming.....

http://usc.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/03/mays0310.jpg


http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/995/F506732.jpg

:eek::eek::eek:

A Perfect Score
04-26-2009, 09:50 PM
now thats just not fair...

the decider13
04-26-2009, 09:54 PM
Next years draft has the potential to be freakin crazy...I wouldn't be surprised to see Berry stay in school because of Mays. There could be quite a few guys that stay in because of other elite talent (see:Bradford staying in, Sanchez declaring). If everyone elite comes out, a 10 ten pick is going to be super valuable.

YAYareaRB
04-26-2009, 09:56 PM
Since we have two 1st Round picks I'm looking..

1. Greg Hardy OLB, Pass Rushing Monster!
2. Sam Bradford QB, I'm tired of QB talk.

nobodyinparticular
04-26-2009, 09:59 PM
Since we have two 1st Round picks I'm looking..

1. Greg Hardy OLB, Pass Rushing Monster!
2. Sam Bradford QB, I'm tired of QB talk.

Gross. I don't like Hardy as a rush 'backer at all...

DiG
04-26-2009, 10:00 PM
and no elite RBs.

do underclassman count? i really like Jahvid Best from cal. as a sophomore he put up 1580 rushing and 15 tds and 250 receiving and another td. He struggled at USC but otherwise put up some ridiculous numbers including a bowl game with 186 rushing and 2 tds. At 510 200 lbs, he isnt huge but hes got crazy speed and can go north south as well as east west. hes got some silly moves and will probably be in the 4.3s.

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TACKLE
04-26-2009, 10:10 PM
do underclassman count? i really like Jahvid Best from cal. as a sophomore he put up 1580 rushing and 15 tds and 250 receiving and another td. He struggled at USC but otherwise put up some ridiculous numbers including a bowl game with 186 rushing and 2 tds. At 510 200 lbs, he isnt huge but hes got crazy speed and can go north south as well as east west. hes got some silly moves and will probably be in the 4.3s.

QQdhYCZIMRQ

I see your Jahvid Best and raise you a LeGarrette Blount. The dude is crazy. He's 6'2 240 and made some of the most ridiculous runs I've seen in a while.I really like Best but when it comes to Blunt; believe the hype.

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kwilk103
04-26-2009, 10:11 PM
noel devine the next sproles!!!!

draftguru151
04-26-2009, 10:13 PM
DeMarco Murray>all these scrubs.

CashmoneyDrew
04-26-2009, 10:15 PM
Next years draft has the potential to be freakin crazy...I wouldn't be surprised to see Berry stay in school because of Mays.

As a Vols fan I'd like to think he'll stay for his senior year. He loves Tennessee and seems like a good student. However, it's going to be hard for him to turn down being a top 10 pick next year. He's got the edge on Mays IMO for top safety, but he could also be the top cornerback as well if he really wanted to play that in the pros especially since next year's CB class is sooooo weak.

senormysterioso
04-26-2009, 10:15 PM
If John Clay has a good year and stays healthy he could be a first rounder as a 3rd year sophomore. As a Badgers fan I hope he sticks around at least another year, but the guy is a beast.

DiG
04-26-2009, 10:18 PM
I see your Jahvid Best and raise you a LeGarrette Blount. The dude is crazy. He's 6'2 240 and made some of the most ridiculous runs I've seen in a while.I really like Best but when it comes to Blunt; believe the hype.

Blounts got some game thats for sure. Another good campaign and he could be a legit prospect. Both guys have some sweet names. Best and Blount.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-26-2009, 10:25 PM
Devine is one of my favorite college players.

JRTPlaya21
04-26-2009, 10:56 PM
DeMarco Murray>all these scrubs.

I've had a big one on for Murray since his senior year. I've been waiting for this draft for some time.

Buttered toast sonic
04-26-2009, 10:58 PM
tim tebow will go high, thats right I said it.

Kurve
04-27-2009, 02:52 AM
do underclassman count? i really like Jahvid Best from cal. as a sophomore he put up 1580 rushing and 15 tds and 250 receiving and another td. He struggled at USC but otherwise put up some ridiculous numbers including a bowl game with 186 rushing and 2 tds. At 510 200 lbs, he isnt huge but hes got crazy speed and can go north south as well as east west. hes got some silly moves and will probably be in the 4.3s.

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watching this video i dont see 4.3 speed i think he is a more of a 4.45 - 4.5 range he doesnt pull away from the people as someone that is a true 4.3 runner would do. He is very quick though which is his strong suite i think..but straight away speed i dont see it.

Mr. Hero
04-27-2009, 02:57 AM
Spikes, Hardy and Oghobaase are going to be studilicious.

/thread

D4rk 0ne
04-27-2009, 03:51 AM
watching this video i dont see 4.3 speed i think he is a more of a 4.45 - 4.5 range he doesnt pull away from the people as someone that is a true 4.3 runner would do. He is very quick though which is his strong suite i think..but straight away speed i dont see it.

No, he definitely has breakaway speed. You can see it in a couple of those runs when he outruns some opposing defenders in the open field, even when they have angles on him. Also, he was a top track runner in HS. According to his player bio: "won the 2007 California State Championship in the 100-meter dash with a time of 10.31 and also finished second in the 200 at 20.65."

If you watch him play, he just has incredible body control and acceleration. I think for someone with his speed, you expect them to be quite raw as a RB, but with Best this isn't the case. While I wouldn't say he is a polished, pure RB like Peterson for example, I think it's clear that he can and will be a RB in the NFL (as opposed to say Reggie Bush, who is an amazing athlete but not really a prototypical RB). He is a fluid runner, and he can make cuts at full speed. He doesn't go down as easily as you might expect from someone his size.

I could go more in-depth but it's too late for me to focus well enough to do that properly, and there are probably people more qualified than me who could do that. Needless to say I think he is going to make someone very happy in a year (or two).

draftguru151
04-27-2009, 04:46 AM
Yea his top end speed is just ridiculous. Chris Johnson doing as well as he did last year is definitely going to help Best (not saying Best is going to run a 4.24, but I doubt it will be that far behind).

jth1331
04-27-2009, 05:14 AM
Noel Devine and Demarco Murray are explosive but don't have NFL size.

I sure as heck would like to know what you mean by Murray not having NFL Size. He is 6', 6'1" and currently listed at 205. Murray has the capabilities of adding on more weight.

I do think Murray won't run a top 40 time, he'll seem average. But the guy is a good, solid RB who can catch, block, and make tough runs. He has a good shot at being good in the pro's.

the decider13
04-27-2009, 09:11 AM
DeMarco Murray>all these scrubs.

scientific fact

kwilk103
04-27-2009, 10:45 AM
Noel Devine and Demarco Murray are explosive but don't have NFL size.

1. devine is probably about 5-10lbs bigger this year, and is the teams hardest worker

2. he is extremely strong for his size; 475 lb squat and 405 lb bench

Brent
04-27-2009, 11:11 AM
DeMarco Murray>all these scrubs.scientific fact
I've had the pleasure/displeasure of watching him for a couple years now.

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FloridaSkinzFan
04-27-2009, 11:12 AM
Noel Devine is my favorite offensive prospect that can come out next year

http://sports.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0313/ncf_a_devine_sq_300.jpg

http://www.whoisnoeldevine.com/collegefootball/images/gallery/1/10.jpg


Taylor Mays is my favorite defensive prospect, a lot like a Laron Landry

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/ross_tucker/01/14/tucks-takes/taylor-mays.jpg

nepg
04-27-2009, 11:18 AM
DeMarco Murray>all these scrubs.
I agree. He's the best RB in college football. Didn't produce the way you'd hope in 2008, but should be a monster in 2009.

And don't compare Sproles to Devine. Devine is so much better... I can't wait to see him tear up that weak-ass Big East next year.

Brent
04-27-2009, 01:16 PM
And don't compare Sproles to Devine. Devine is so much better.
You must have never seen Sproles in college.

Hines
04-27-2009, 02:27 PM
34 defenses are going to love the 2010 draft.

pr0d1gy
04-27-2009, 02:36 PM
Florida is gonna send at least three guys from that defense into the first round - Dunlap, Spikes, and Haden.

Spikes is the best player in the nation. He should go #1 overall next draft, he is THAT good as a MLB. Oh and I am a UGA fan, so that should tell you a lot.

Texas Homer
04-27-2009, 02:38 PM
I think the Texans might need to trade up and get either Mays or Berry at S.

Maybe get OLB Travis Lewis if he comes out after next season.

pr0d1gy
04-27-2009, 02:42 PM
I think the Texans might need to trade up and get either Mays or Berry at S.

Maybe get OLB Travis Lewis if he comes out after next season.

Berry is a hell of a player, has been for years at UT.

DeMarco Murray is a monster, looks like a Jerious Norwood/Knowshawn Moreno hybrid, but a bit bigger. Yikes, but I still think Spikes would shut him down if the lines were equal. Didn't they just play for the National Championship?

LookItsAlDavis
04-27-2009, 02:43 PM
Devine is gonna get looked over in the first round and then precede to make 31 teams look stupid the next season.

bigbluedefense
04-27-2009, 02:43 PM
I want Brandon Spikes in a Giants uniform to play MIKE for us.

K?


thnx.




Taylor Mays or Eric Berry tickle my pickle as well.


Shout out to Greg Hardy. We would find a spot for him.

Menardo75
04-27-2009, 02:43 PM
I think Ricky Sapp might be the next great 3-4 OLB in the NFL future top ten pick.

LookItsAlDavis
04-27-2009, 02:43 PM
And Tebow is gonna get picked at the end of the first by the Patriots. Count it.

pr0d1gy
04-27-2009, 02:47 PM
And Tebow is gonna get picked at the end of the first by the Patriots. Count it.

lol Doubt it man. Maybe at the end of the 2nd. Nobody would risk a first on a guy who only Al Davis would think is going to be a HoF QB in the NFL.

RealityCheck
04-27-2009, 02:51 PM
Mays is without a doubt the top overall player. And Tebow won't go to the Pats, maybe to the Colts :)

bspen4
04-27-2009, 06:29 PM
You must have never seen Sproles in college.

No way he saw Sproles in College if he is going to make that statement

TACKLE
04-27-2009, 06:57 PM
Here's a riddle.

What weighs 290lbs, Benches 405, squats 565, power cleans 375, has a 39 inch vert and can run a 4.65 40?

ALLEN BAILEY!
http://www.themiamihurricane.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/baileysack.jpg

I don't expect him to declare but I got to give some love to my boy.

Crimson79
04-27-2009, 07:16 PM
Gerald McCoy is a bamf.

WMD
04-27-2009, 07:37 PM
Carlos Dunlap to the Lions! Indubitably!

jth1331
04-27-2009, 07:40 PM
I think the Texans might need to trade up and get either Mays or Berry at S.

Maybe get OLB Travis Lewis if he comes out after next season.

I highly, HIGHLY doubt Lewis will declare. He had a great year last year, but I think he needs a couple more years.

Spikes is the best player in the nation. He should go #1 overall next draft, he is THAT good as a MLB. Oh and I am a UGA fan, so that should tell you a lot.

No way is Spikes that good to be drafted #1 overall.

I agree. He's the best RB in college football. Didn't produce the way you'd hope in 2008, but should be a monster in 2009.

And don't compare Sproles to Devine. Devine is so much better... I can't wait to see him tear up that weak-ass Big East next year.

What do you mean he didn't produce the way you'd hope? The Sooners split carries, and he never played in the 4th quarter in a majority of the games to begin with. Over 1,000 yards, 5+ yards per carry, 14 TD's rushing, 30 receptions, 300+ yards receiving, 4 receiving TD's.
His stats won't look as pretty as some of the other top RB's due to the split carries.
But, compare his 2008 year to that of Moreno's 2008 year:
Murray had 71 less carries, 400 less yards, 2 less TD's, same amount of receptions and receiving yards basically with 2 more receiving TD's.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-27-2009, 07:50 PM
Is Taylor Mays going to get an interception this year?

CC.SD
04-27-2009, 08:49 PM
http://avanttrash.com/images/jackberries.jpg

BERRY AND MAYS
BERRY AND MAYS

I'm a little lad that loves Berry and Mays.

PS: Sproles beasted in college, Sproles' college career>Divine's by quite a bit. Sproles contended for the Heisman out of KSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP3izaO559E&feature=related

Calvin & Kevin
04-27-2009, 09:42 PM
If you think Lions fans had a hard-on for Curry this year, wait till next year with Spikes.

I'm already liking the idea of Suh or Cody though, and pairing one of them with Sam Hill for 2010.

hagy34
04-27-2009, 09:49 PM
Would love to see McCoy in Minnesota next year assuming we don't take a QB. Too bad we won't be picking high enough to land him.

LookItsAlDavis
04-27-2009, 09:51 PM
The combine hasn't happened yet, so I don't know who the Raiders might pick.

derza222
04-27-2009, 09:59 PM
I would love to see Ndamukong Suh, Vince Oghobaase, Arrelious Benn, or Dez Bryant on the Jets. Although I'd also like to be good enough that we don't have a shot at any of those guys.

Hurricanes25
04-27-2009, 10:00 PM
I would love to see Ndamukong Suh, Vince Oghobaase, Arrelious Benn, or Dez Bryant on the Jets. Although I'd also like to be good enough that we don't have a shot at any of those guys.

Agreed. I would like all of those guys but Im hoping that we will be picking in the 20's next year.

Sniper
04-27-2009, 10:00 PM
Mays is without a doubt the top overall player. And Tebow won't go to the Pats, maybe to the Colts :)

Mays isn't even the best safety.

marshallb
04-27-2009, 10:26 PM
Would love to see McCoy in Minnesota next year assuming we don't take a QB. Too bad we won't be picking high enough to land him.

I agree with you. I don't think we'll be picking high enough to take a QB worthy of a 1st round pick(Bradford and Snead imo). While McCoy likely won't be there, next year looks to be an excellent DT class with a very high number of guys who could go in the first round. I didn't take the time to count them up, but just guessing, I'd say about 6 or 7.

draftguru151
04-27-2009, 10:51 PM
http://avanttrash.com/images/jackberries.jpg

BERRY AND MAYS
BERRY AND MAYS

I'm a little lad that loves Berry and Mays.

PS: Sproles beasted in college, Sproles' college career>Divine's by quite a bit. Sproles contended for the Heisman out of KSU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP3izaO559E&feature=related

Thank you for reminding me how freaking creepy that commercial was.

CashmoneyDrew
04-27-2009, 11:08 PM
Thank you for reminding me how freaking creepy that commercial was.

One of the greatest commercials in recent memory I might add.

Ozzy
04-27-2009, 11:23 PM
Very talented draft in 2010

Have absolute stars at almost all key positions


QB Sam Bradford Oklahoma Redshirt JR
RB DeMarco Murray Oklahoma JR
RB Joe McKnight USC JR
WR Arrelious Benn Illinois JR
WR Dez Bryant Oklahoma State JR
TE Jermaine Gresham Oklahoma
OL Russell Okung Oklahoma State
OL Zane Beadles Utah
OL Ciron Black LSU
OL Kyle Calloway Iowa
OG Thomas Claiborne Boston College JR


DE George Selvie South Florida
DT Ndamukong Suh Nebraska
DT Gerald McCoy Oklahoma JR
DE Corey Wootton Northwestern
OLB Sean Weatherspoon Missouri
ILB Brandon Spikes Florida
OLB Mark Herzlich Boston College
CB Trevard Lindley Kentucky
CB Joe Haden Florida JR
SS Eric Berry Tennessee JR
FS Taylor Mays USC


And like most have said DE is huge and very deep. The question marks are at receiver because the senior players are not all that good outside of a few, mostly Decker, Parker and Matthews potentially. Could have key defensive backs come out early, especially the famous Eric Berry.


Still odd thing is, Spikes would have been the first ILB picked in the draft this year. Gresham would have been the first TE picked in the draft this year and Berry if he could have came out would have been the first safety picked and same can be said for Taylor Mays.


Just flat out great for college football all of this talent is coming back and it will make for an even more interesting year.

Sniper
04-27-2009, 11:26 PM
Brandon Graham>George Selvie

HellonEarth84
04-27-2009, 11:30 PM
I just had to...http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

Now that the 09 draft is in the books. Let's start the 2010 talk!


The DE class has potential to be ridiculous.

Its way too early to speculate.

Last year at this time, Oher and Fili Moala (lol) were a lot of peoples top ranked players.

Rey Mauluaga and James Laurenitis were also Top 5-10 picks in last years mocks. Both ended up as 2nd rounders.


WAYYYY too early to speculate

Todd Bertuzzi
04-27-2009, 11:31 PM
It's never too early to speculate :)

the decider13
04-27-2009, 11:34 PM
Its way too early to speculate.

Last year at this time, Oher and Fili Moala (lol) were a lot of peoples top ranked players.

Rey Mauluaga and James Laurenitis were also Top 5-10 picks in last years mocks. Both ended up as 2nd rounders.


WAYYYY too early to speculate

This entire site is built on speculation lol

Ozzy
04-27-2009, 11:37 PM
Rey Mauluaga and James Laurenitis were also Top 5-10 picks in last years mocks. Both ended up as 2nd rounders. It could be argued that happened because of team needs, same with the fact a few running backs slipped a little in the draft. Team needs run the show.


As for speculation, it is odd always around draft time I am more interested in the next years draft than this years because it is fun to look into the future into the unknown and not so talked about prospects. Because if you talk about the same players over and over it gets boring and stale. Not to mention this year showed that underclassmen, especially redshirt SOPH players are very key in the draft and all classes have to be looked at and watched.

Texas Homer
04-27-2009, 11:38 PM
Sergio "Predator" Kindle.

nepg
04-28-2009, 12:30 PM
You must have never seen Sproles in college.
I saw Sproles in college. Devine's better.

ToldLikeItIs
04-28-2009, 12:37 PM
Iowa lineman Bryan Bulaga to the Lions with the #1 pick in 2010.

That's my prediction, he's far and away the best OL, in either class, next year, and someone needs to protect Stafford.

boknows34
04-28-2009, 03:07 PM
Has anyone got a link listing all the trades over the weekend involving 2010 draft picks?

Much appreciated.

Iamcanadian
04-28-2009, 03:25 PM
Here's 3 sites preliminary projections.



http://www.gbnreport.com/2010projection.html

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11684517

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/andrew_perloff/04/28/2010/index.html?eref=si_nfl

Sniper
04-28-2009, 03:31 PM
CBS' mock has Donovan Warren ahead of Brandon Graham with Graham not being listed anywhere.

Fail.

derza222
04-28-2009, 03:45 PM
CBS' mock has Donovan Warren ahead of Brandon Graham with Graham not being listed anywhere.

Fail.

Prisco failing isn't exactly something new...

SI's projection for the Jets isn't exactly unrealistic given we love to trade up and probably will be a middle of the pack team, and I'd definitely be down for bringing in Dez Bryant.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-28-2009, 04:18 PM
One guy to keep your eye out for is Ras-I Dowling, you heard it here first.

draftguru151
04-28-2009, 04:26 PM
One guy to keep your eye out for is Ras-I Dowling, you heard it here first.

1. Joe Haden Florida
2. Ras-I Dowling Virginia

From like 5 days ago. And I'm sure Toonster posted about him like 5 years ago. And I think Chris Long mentioned him in Scott's interview over a year ago. But yea you're kinda first!

SeanTaylorRIP
04-28-2009, 04:37 PM
From like 5 days ago. And I'm sure Toonster posted about him like 5 years ago. And I think Chris Long mentioned him in Scott's interview over a year ago. But yea you're kinda first!

Fine I'll be third. Anyways the kid has tools to be an elite DB, I'm still on the fence though if he would be a better CB or FS. I personally feel he can gain some weight and be a rangy playmaking safety.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2009, 04:46 PM
Sam Bradford and Gerald McCoy are probably the consensus top 2 picks at this point (as consensus as one can be a year in advance anyway).

Cases could probably be made for one of the following for top 5:
-Arrelious Benn
-Sergio Kindle
-Brandon Spikes
-Eric Berry
-Taylor Mays
-Bryan Bulaga
-Carlos Dunlap
-Trent Williams
-George Selvie
-Colt McCoy (ok, I don't think so, but some will push it)
-Russell Okung
-Ndamukong Suh
-Jevan Snead

Am I missing anyone at this point?

thetedginnshow
04-28-2009, 04:55 PM
I'll go bold right now and say that if our pick isn't on the line our guy will be Brandon LaFell, George Selvie, or Eric Berry.

TACKLE
04-28-2009, 07:57 PM
Sam Bradford and Gerald McCoy are probably the consensus top 2 picks at this point (as consensus as one can be a year in advance anyway).

Cases could probably be made for one of the following for top 5:
-Arrelious Benn
-Sergio Kindle
-Brandon Spikes
-Eric Berry
-Taylor Mays
-Bryan Bulaga
-Carlos Dunlap
-Trent Williams
-George Selvie
-Colt McCoy (ok, I don't think so, but some will push it)
-Russell Okung
-Ndamukong Suh
-Jevan Snead

Am I missing anyone at this point?

Gerald McCoy is definitely a potential Top 5 pick.

I think you could also include Greg Hardy and Everson Griffen.

Don Vito
04-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Here's SI's top 45 prospects for next year (includin underclassmen):

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/draft-2009/04/28/2010/index.html


1) Greg Hardy/DE/Mississippi: Hardy gave serious consideration to entering April's draft but made the right choice staying in school. He's impacts the game in a variety of ways and possesses unlimited potential.
2) Taylor Mays/S/USC: Mays was another who made the choice to play another season on the college level. He reminds many of former Trojan great Ronnie Lott.
3) Jermaine Gresham/TE/Oklahoma: Gresham is a receiver in a tight end body. He's an athletic freak of who will be a weapon for any offense.
4) Sam Bradford*/QB/Oklahoma: Bradford made the right choice staying in school, where he'll have another season to hone his passing skills.
5) Russell Okung/OT/Oklahoma State: Okung is a complete tackle who stands out in pass protection while dominating as a run blocker.
6) Gerald McCoy*/DT/Oklahoma: Sooners fans look at McCoy and see former OU star Tommie Harris (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/6773). And like his predecessor, McCoy will be a first-round pick.
7) Mark Herzlich/OLB/Boston College: Herzlich rounded out his game last season and developed into a terrific three-down defender who dominates in all areas.
8) Ndamukong Suh/DT/Nebraska: Suh had a breakout campaign last year, emerging as the most suffocating defender in the Big 12. He's a terrific athlete and a very good football player.
9) Carlos Dunlap*/DE/Florida: Dunlap is a tall but slightly undersized defensive end who makes a lot of plays behind the line of scrimmage. He has the tools to make a big move up draft boards.
10) Terrence Cody/DT/Alabama: Mount Cody burst onto the scene last year and helped turn Alabama's defense into one of the nation's best. He's a dominant, inside mauler who must control his weight.
11) Trent Williams/OT/Oklahoma: Williams is a tall, athletic tackle with potential on the left or right side.
12) Arrileous Benn/WR/Illinois: Benn is a game-controlling wideout with reliable hands and solid speed.
13) Brandon Spikes/ILB/Florida: Spikes could be the most dominant Gators linebacker to enter the NFL in more than a decade.
14) Dez Bryant*/WR/Oklahoma State: Oklahoma State's top pass catcher has the ability to pick up big yardage after the reception.
15) Eric Berry*/S/Tennessee: Berry lacks the classic size for a centerfielder, yet offers a complete game in the secondary.
16) Jonathan Dwyer*/RB/Georgia Tech: Tech's powerful, interior ball carrier shows surprising speed in the open field. He offers potential as a feature back.
17) Corey Wootton/DE/Northwestern: Prior to the knee injury he suffered in Northwestern's bowl game, Wooton was considered first-round material for the '09 draft.
1 Rolando McClain*/LB/Alabama: McClain is a nice combination of size and athleticism and has the skill to be used at a variety of linebacker spots.
19) George Selvie/DE/South Florida: Selvie comes off a disappointing season, but is still one of the nation's best pass rushers and an NFL prospect in the mold of Simeon Rice (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/3549).
20) DeMarcus Granger/DT/Oklahoma: Another talented Sooners defender, Granger returns to the field in '09 after struggling with injury last season.


Prospects 21-45 are on the second page of the article. GREG HARDY #1!

TACKLE
04-28-2009, 08:24 PM
9) Carlos Dunlap*/DE/Florida: Dunlap is a tall but slightly undersized defensive end who makes a lot of plays behind the line of scrimmage. He has the tools to make a big move up draft boards.

I guess 6'6 290 is slightly undersized.

P-L
04-28-2009, 09:15 PM
Eric Berry, Jermaine Gresham, Gerald McCoy, Ndamukong Suh, and Brandon Spikes are my top five players at this point. Not necessarily in that order though.

Sniper
04-28-2009, 09:22 PM
Here's SI's top 45 prospects for next year (includin underclassmen):

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/draft-2009/04/28/2010/index.html



Prospects 21-45 are on the second page of the article. GREG HARDY #1!

That list fails miserably since it has Eric Berry at 15. Seriously, WTF?

doingthisinsteadofwork
04-28-2009, 09:53 PM
Very talented draft in 2010

Have absolute stars at almost all key positions

RB Joe McKnight USC JR
Just flat out great for college football all of this talent is coming back and it will make for an even more interesting year.Are you grading him based off of college success or as a prospect?Either way it doesn't matter he hasn't done anything.

Texas Homer
04-28-2009, 10:36 PM
That list fails miserably since it has Eric Berry at 15. Seriously, WTF?Yeah, and I also think Sergio Kindle, Ciron Black and Haden need to be higher on the list as well.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2009, 11:45 PM
No way Greg Hardy is the top prospect. Before he decided to come back he was being talked about as a borderline 1st rounder.

the decider13
04-28-2009, 11:56 PM
I have a hard time buying Hardy over Dunlap...I just can't see how that works. I also have a hard time with Mays over Berry at this point in time. Now if Hardy and Mays have monster years, then it will get interesting.

Sniper
04-28-2009, 11:57 PM
I have a hard time buying Hardy over Dunlap...I just can't see how that works. I also have a hard time with Mays over Berry at this point in time. Now if Hardy and Mays have monster years, then it will get interesting.

I have a hard time buying George Selvie over Brandon Graham as a total package DE. Maybe it's my homerism, but maybe not.

IndyColtScout
04-29-2009, 12:15 AM
Ryan Mallet is the prospect I will be watching the closest. I could see Petrino molded him into what we all thought Brohm was supposed to be.

He is a legit 6'6" and is said to throw the ball 80 yards.

His touch needs work, but that's where Petrino comes in.

Even if he only lights it up for one season, I could see him declaring and soaring up draft boards.

Sniper
04-29-2009, 12:17 AM
Ryan Mallet is the prospect I will be watching the closest. I could see Petrino molded him into what we all thought Brohm was supposed to be.

He is a legit 6'6" and is said to throw the ball 80 yards.

His touch needs work, but that's where Petrino comes in.

Even if he only lights it up for one season, I could see him declaring and soaring up draft boards.

He can allegedly throw the ball 87 yards. However, it remains to be seen if he can throw that 87-yarder in the same zip code as its intended target.

Paranoidmoonduck
04-29-2009, 12:20 AM
No way Greg Hardy is the top prospect. Before he decided to come back he was being talked about as a borderline 1st rounder.

Not quite how I remember it. Due to injury and a few character nicks, he was being talked about as slipping into the late teens-mid 20's range (and if he had actually come out, it's entirely possibly he would have slid further) and if those problems continue to show during his senior year, he'll likely wind up with a similar grade.

But if he had come out, he definitely would have been my top defensive end (barring something drastic, of course). Do I buy him as the top guy heading into the 2009 college year? Not really. But he's got to be considered a top 5 guy because of his production last year. This year should be a good one to evaluate him too, because that Ole Miss defense lost quite a bit.

Don Vito
04-29-2009, 12:32 AM
Not quite how I remember it. Due to injury and a few character nicks, he was being talked about as slipping into the late teens-mid 20's range (and if he had actually come out, it's entirely possibly he would have slid further) and if those problems continue to show during his senior year, he'll likely wind up with a similar grade.

But if he had come out, he definitely would have been my top defensive end (barring something drastic, of course). Do I buy him as the top guy heading into the 2009 college year? Not really. But he's got to be considered a top 5 guy because of his production last year. This year should be a good one to evaluate him too, because that Ole Miss defense lost quite a bit.

We are still very deep on defense, Hardy will have a lot of talent around him. Hardy is one of the best players in the nation when he is on the field, but keeping him healthy has been the issue lately. If he stays healthy for this whole season and can stay out of trouble, he has top 5 potential.

Paranoidmoonduck
04-29-2009, 12:35 AM
We are still very deep on defense, Hardy will have a lot of talent around him. Hardy is one of the best players in the nation when he is on the field, but keeping him healthy has been the issue lately. If he stays healthy for this whole season and can stay out of trouble, he has top 5 potential.

I was mostly referring to the loss of Jerry on the defensive line. Ole Miss' defense should be fine, but most all of the footage I caught of Hardy in 2008 was him in one-on-one situations, which he's obviously athletic enough to take advantage of. I want see what happens when teams start gameplanning against him.

Mr. Hero
04-29-2009, 01:05 AM
No way Greg Hardy is the top prospect. Before he decided to come back he was being talked about as a borderline 1st rounder.

I think they're assuming he's healthy all year, because had he been he would've been a top 20 lock and I argue first 4-3 DE selected. I take Dunlap over him now, but Hardy has the ability to become one of the NFL's best ends. I still don't think he's the number one player in next years draft mind you, but if he's healthy all year he has a great chance to convince me.

dunagan15
04-29-2009, 04:41 AM
all ESPN will talk about is freakin' Tim Tebow - who will not be a good pro at any position.

...and I'm not looking forward to any more lisp-ridden Tebow interviews.

HAHA I love Ohio State fans. They are awesome. Just have to hate on Florida b/c they cant' beat them in anything.

Actually I believe OSU did edge out the Gators for interior design decorating, but there are rumors for using male enhancement drugs, which was on the list of banned substances. What a shame, they may be docked a few scholarships.

GATOR BAIT! ftw

Sniper
04-29-2009, 07:00 AM
all ESPN will talk about is freakin' Tim Tebow - who will not be a good pro at any position.

...and I'm not looking forward to any more lisp-ridden Tebow interviews.

Who cares? Tim Tebow is the ******* man. He WILL be a good NFL QB. That's my prediction. If not, he'll make a nasty FB.

JRTPlaya21
04-29-2009, 09:08 AM
Sam Bradford and Gerald McCoy are probably the consensus top 2 picks at this point (as consensus as one can be a year in advance anyway).

Cases could probably be made for one of the following for top 5:
-Arrelious Benn
-Sergio Kindle
-Brandon Spikes
-Eric Berry
-Taylor Mays
-Bryan Bulaga
-Carlos Dunlap
-Trent Williams
-George Selvie
-Colt McCoy (ok, I don't think so, but some will push it)
-Russell Okung
-Ndamukong Suh
-Jevan Snead

Am I missing anyone at this point?

I'd make a case for Dez Bryant, but I just have a love for wideouts.

Texas Homer
04-29-2009, 12:23 PM
I'd make a case for Dez Bryant, but I just have a love for wideouts.
Yep, Dez needs to be on the list.

TACKLE
04-29-2009, 09:41 PM
When it comes to Carlos Dunlap vs. Greg Hardy here are my thoughts.

Dunlap is much more physically imposing but as far as a pure football player, I'd take Hardy right now. As far as pass rush ability, they are very close but I'd give the slight edge to Hardy because of better burst and pass rush moves.

Where Hardy is way better is against the run. He is excellent against the run and has a great motor. I expected him to be one of those pass rush only guys but he plays hard and is very sound against the run.

But Dunlap is only going into his junior year and the sky is the limit for him. He has all the ability in the world but you'd like to see him have a more complete game. At this point I'd take Hardy but I think that Dunlap could have a 12+ sack season and will definitely be in the mix for the #1 overall pick.

draftguru151
04-29-2009, 11:00 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0306/ncf_g_mccoy1_sw_400.jpg


Random thoughts, but if I had to put money on the #1 pick for next year it would be McCoy. I like Bradford, but I think his arm strength is going to become an issue next season and it will prevent him from going #1.

Also for the Dunlap thing, I think people are trying to make him into Mario Williams, and while his potential is crazy, I think he is a while from being there (and I doubt he has the same workout numbers).

Also, if the Dolphins actually use White like they are discussing (as a true Wildcat QB, involving actual pass plays in the formation and such), I wonder how much that will effect Tebow. I don't like Tebow at all, but if White does well, Tebow is going to get a lot of attention. I think I'd take Tebow's passing and running in the NFL over White (if I'm using Tebow as a wildcat QB, I don't really mind him trying to run over LBs, I think he'd last longer like that than White will carrying the ball anyway).

mqtirishfan
04-30-2009, 02:08 AM
The five I'm really looking forward to watching this year:

Gerald McCoy
Sergio Kindle
Carlos Dunlap
Arrelious Benn
Eric Berry

fischbowl
05-01-2009, 08:46 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07eV0aRdRr8JX/340x.jpg

Sometimes, I lay awake and imagine how awesome it would be if Eric Decker could stay at Minnesota forever

Iamcanadian
05-01-2009, 09:25 AM
When it comes to Carlos Dunlap vs. Greg Hardy here are my thoughts.

Dunlap is much more physically imposing but as far as a pure football player, I'd take Hardy right now. As far as pass rush ability, they are very close but I'd give the slight edge to Hardy because of better burst and pass rush moves.

Where Hardy is way better is against the run. He is excellent against the run and has a great motor. I expected him to be one of those pass rush only guys but he plays hard and is very sound against the run.

But Dunlap is only going into his junior year and the sky is the limit for him. He has all the ability in the world but you'd like to see him have a more complete game. At this point I'd take Hardy but I think that Dunlap could have a 12+ sack season and will definitely be in the mix for the #1 overall pick.

I won't be at all shocked to see Everson Griffen DE, USC, pass them both before all is said and done.

fischbowl
05-01-2009, 09:45 AM
I won't be at all shocked to see Everson Griffen DE, USC, pass them both before all is said and done.

I can see Griffen over Hardy but Dunlap IMO is the best DE to come out since Peppers

Malaka
05-01-2009, 10:59 AM
USC's a god damn factory, get ready for 3 more USC prospects in the 1st round. Mays. Griffen, and Williams. I think USC if Carroll stays Head Coach can eventually break UM's 13 straight 1st rounder streak.

IndyColtScout
10-19-2009, 04:00 PM
Ryan Mallet is the prospect I will be watching the closest. I could see Petrino molded him into what we all thought Brohm was supposed to be.

He is a legit 6'6" and is said to throw the ball 80 yards.

His touch needs work, but that's where Petrino comes in.

Even if he only lights it up for one season, I could see him declaring and soaring up draft boards.

Not a bad call by me, and don't be surprised to see him declare and become a 1st round selection.

bruschis4all
10-19-2009, 05:52 PM
Not a bad call by me, and don't be surprised to see him declare and become a 1st round selection.

He won't come out this year. He doesn't have enough experience/film to be drafted as high as he could be. 2011 could be a great qb draft though. I think Mallett, Claussen and Locker will return for their senior years. Could go 1-2-3.

soybean
10-19-2009, 06:37 PM
USC's a god damn factory, get ready for 3 more USC prospects in the 1st round. Mays. Griffen, and Williams. I think USC if Carroll stays Head Coach can eventually break UM's 13 straight 1st rounder streak.

yes! only 11 more seasons to go! [/sarcasm]

Babylon
10-19-2009, 06:46 PM
He won't come out this year. He doesn't have enough experience/film to be drafted as high as he could be. 2011 could be a great qb draft though. I think Mallett, Claussen and Locker will return for their senior years. Could go 1-2-3.

Someone is going to see an opening because of a weak Sr QB class and jump in to grab some big money. Ready of not i think one of those 3 will declare.

soybean
10-19-2009, 06:59 PM
is this a joke? Mallett is terrible. He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.