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BuffaloBillsDraft
04-26-2009, 12:45 PM
Post Draft Grades

abaddon41_80
04-26-2009, 12:46 PM
'F-' for picking Maybin over Orakpo, 'A' for the rest of the draft.

essential
04-26-2009, 12:49 PM
I'm a Buffalo fan, and I'm split on this draft. I like Maybin, but feel he would have lasted a while if we didn't take him.

Wood is a good pickup, but I would have rather had Mack, although Wood is going to be a Guard, maybe Wood projects better to a Guard than Mack would have.

Byrd was disappointing, If he starts at FS, then maybe I change my mind, but I didn't think we needed a S there.

I think we paid too much to move up for Levitre, he should have been there at #75, plus he won't be a starter, but getting Nelson in the 4th makes it easier that we gave up our third. I really wanted Beckum, but Nelson looks very good too.

bengalbuck
04-26-2009, 12:51 PM
I don't know a ton about your team needs, but I like most of those players. I like Maybin a lot better than Orakpo, so that was good. Eric Wood should be a Logan Mankins type guy.

RaiderNation
04-26-2009, 12:52 PM
Id say its one of the better drafts this year

BuffaloBillsDraft
04-26-2009, 12:54 PM
'F-' for picking Maybin over Orakpo, 'A' for the rest of the draft.

The Bills have not liked Orakpo all offseason. You would have to follow the Bills to know that. They dont like Texas players high in the draft anymore. They dont think Orakpo was the right fit effort wise.

Dont shoot the messenger, but they NEVER liked Orakpo, they would have passed on him in 7th round if he made it there.

Me personally, I liked the name Orakpo, star player, but I knew the Bills did not like him at all.

fischbowl
04-26-2009, 12:59 PM
One bad pick shouldn't discredit an entire school. Mike Williams did suck nuts though, that's a fact. Maybin was the one guy I absolutely did not want, but the team was targeting a pass rusher, so, you know, they got what they want. Me, the fan, is not satisfied, but what ev, I'll get my popcorn ready

Crickett
04-26-2009, 01:13 PM
I like. Didn't draft anyone who looked like they could replace Jason Peters, and they drafted undersized Aaron Maybin (from Penn St., the school that gave us Courtney Brown, Michael Haynes and Tamba Hali) ahead of Orakpo.

I liked the Bills draft aside from the Shawn Nelson pick. But then again, I'm a Jets fan.

marshallb
04-26-2009, 01:29 PM
I'd give it a B. I don't like Maybin over Orakpo, but I like Wood, Byrd is a good player, but I don't know how much of a need he fills, Nelson is great value there and Levitre is ok, but they still need to get an OT to replace Peters.

Iamcanadian
04-26-2009, 01:42 PM
Since it started by losing our starting LT, it was already limited to a 'C' at best and I'd give it a 'C-' . We are clearly back to using the draft to fill holes we created by not having the money to retain our players. Instead of using the draft to improve, we are agan forced to use the draft to maintain where we were. We will be extremely lucky to stay at 7-9.

Matthew Jones
04-26-2009, 01:47 PM
I liked Shawn Nelson and Andy LeVitre. I'd give those high grades. Aaron Maybin over Brian Orakpo was not a good choice if you ask me, I think Eric Wood was a bit of a reach but he'll be a solid starter. Jairus Byrd I don't like much. Overall, maybe a C.

Leon Sandcastle
04-26-2009, 01:52 PM
1. Aaron Maybin-DE
1. Eric Wood-LG
2. Jairus Byrd-FS
2. Andy LeVitre-RG
4. Shawn Nelson-TE
5. Nic Harris-OLB

That's a really good draft.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 01:57 PM
I absolutely LOVE what the Bills have done so far. Really couldn't be happier. Definitely my favorite Bills draft in years.

TACKLE
04-26-2009, 03:07 PM
How is your LT situation looking?

AntoinCD
04-26-2009, 03:17 PM
I actually like all the players the Bills got but all could be argued that they were reaches. Especially Wood and Byrd IMO

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 03:40 PM
How is your LT situation looking?

Langston Walker will probably play for 1 year while Demetrius Bell develops.

Mr. Hero
04-26-2009, 03:46 PM
If Walker works out at LT I'd give this draft an A-. The bills have done a good job replenishing their Oline, Maybin and Byrd will be good for their pass D and Nelson was a steal in the fourth, I wanted him more than I did Beckum at 100 for the gmen.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 03:50 PM
If Walker doesn't work out, Kirk Chambers is a capable starter. Obviously not great, but in limited time he has looked good.

Falcon_from_E_Oakland
04-26-2009, 03:50 PM
Im not feeling the Bills draft to honest. Maybin just screams high risk.

nobodyinparticular
04-26-2009, 03:56 PM
Aaron Maybin
Eric Wood
Jairus Byrd
Andy Levitre
Shawn Nelson

What grade would give?

I really don't like Aaron Maybin in the NFL. I just don't think he has enough bulk. There are so few guys in the NFL that do well in positions near the line that are as long and lean as Maybin. I'm not just talking about weight or muscle mass, I'm talking about the need to be stockier. Who, other than Jason Taylor, is as lean as Maybin and had a successful career? Manny Lawson certainly hasn't been able to do it.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 04:00 PM
I think people forget how light Aaron Schobel is, our best DE. Schobel's playing weight is in the low 240's. Maybin is still young and developing so he will probably end up playing around that weight.

CC.SD
04-26-2009, 04:02 PM
Not as good as the Bengals, big miscalculation with Maybin>Orakpo.

Mr. Hero
04-26-2009, 04:08 PM
I think people forget how light Aaron Schobel is, our best DE. Schobel's playing weight is in the low 240's. Maybin is still young and developing so he will probably end up playing around that weight.

Was exactly the point I was going to make. A lot of DEs end up around 250 during the season, so if Maybin can hold that weight a whole season eh'll be more than fine.

SuperMcGee
04-26-2009, 04:10 PM
If Walker doesn't work out, Kirk Chambers is a capable starter. Obviously not great, but in limited time he has looked good.

I think you're far too comfortable with the thought of Chambers or Bell at LT.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 04:12 PM
I think you're far too comfortable with the thought of Chambers or Bell at LT.

I'm completely against Bell at LT. He never saw the field last season. Walker and Chambers have experience at LT, so for one year, I am not overly concerned.

Abaddon
04-26-2009, 04:15 PM
Like others, I can't figure out what their plan is at LT, but the draft as a whole looks really good.

Abaddon
04-26-2009, 04:16 PM
Langston Walker will probably play for 1 year while Demetrius Bell develops.

Walker played well in spot duty at LT while in Oakland. Then again, he was about 40 pounds lighter back then.

SuperMcGee
04-26-2009, 04:18 PM
I'm completely against Bell at LT. He never saw the field last season. Walker and Chambers have experience at LT, so for one year, I am not overly concerned.

I mean even in your earlier post about Walker going for a year as Bell develops. I know he was a total project, but it's still a big leap to see him as our starter there eventually.
All I know at this point is that Walker and Wood should be starting somewhere.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 04:23 PM
I mean even in your earlier post about Walker going for a year as Bell develops. I know he was a total project, but it's still a big leap to see him as our starter there eventually.
All I know at this point is that Walker and Wood should be starting somewhere.

Well I said a year or so, implying at least one. I think Bell can start in 2-3 years at LT. Like others, this is what I think our line will look like:

LT - Walker
LG - Levitre
C - Hangartner
RG - Wood
RT - Butler

Backups: Chambers, McKinney, Bell

nobodyinparticular
04-26-2009, 04:35 PM
Well I said a year or so, implying at least one. I think Bell can start in 2-3 years at LT. Like others, this is what I think our line will look like:

LT - Walker
LG - Levitre
C - Hangartner
RG - Wood
RT - Butler

Backups: Chambers, McKinney, Bell

Expect Trent Edwards to be on the ground half the time if that's your offensive line. Walker is bad in pass protection for a RT, he'll be awful at LT.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 04:37 PM
Expect Trent Edwards to be on the ground half the time if that's your offensive line. Walker is bad in pass protection for a RT, he'll be awful at LT.

Well the coaching staff seems to be comfortable with it. When Peters held out last year they shifted Langston over and he played admirably. No doubt he is better suited at RT but what can you do.

Abaddon
04-26-2009, 04:38 PM
Well the coaching staff seems to be comfortable with it. When Peters held out last year they shifted Langston over and he played admirably. No doubt he is better suited at RT but what can you do.

Draft a LT?

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 04:41 PM
Draft a LT?

And start him as a rookie? Only way to do that would be at 11 and obviously the FO realized the need for a pass rusher was greater than the need for an LT. I know that the staff is very high on Demetrius Bell as a LT project and they seem comfortable starting either Langston Walker/Kirk Chambers at LT for the time being while Bell develops.

ChezPower4
04-26-2009, 04:49 PM
The Bills draft is pretty good for the most part. I do think that they made a huge mistake taking Maybin over Orakpo.

Abaddon
04-26-2009, 05:33 PM
And start him as a rookie?

Um...yeah?

BufFan71
04-26-2009, 06:49 PM
Expect Trent Edwards to be on the ground half the time if that's your offensive line. Walker is bad in pass protection for a RT, he'll be awful at LT.

raiders fan?


yeah langston walker was a bad tackle in Oakland.... but hes been our best OL for the past two seasons

McGahee
04-26-2009, 06:53 PM
Langston Walker was our best OL last year. Him and Brad Butler were the only decent part of our O-line.

D-Unit
04-26-2009, 07:03 PM
Here's the Cowboys' 2009 draft class:

Western Illinois LB Jason Williams (third round, 69th overall)

Ball State OL Robert Brewster (third round, 75th overall)

Texas A&M QB Stephen McGee (fourth round, 101st overall)

Oregon State DE/OLB Victor Hunter (fourth round, 110th overall)

Texas Tech DE/OLB Brandon Williams (fourth round, 120th overall)

Cincinnati CB/S DeAngelo Smith (fifth round, 143rd overall)

Clemson FS Michael Hamlin (fifth round, 166th overall)

USC K/special teamer David Buehler (fifth round, 172nd overall)

TCU S/LB Stephen Hodge (sixth round, 197th overall)

Virginia TE John Phillips (sixth round, 208th overall)

Cincinnati CB Mike Mickens (seventh round, 227th overall)

Oklahoma WR Manuel Johnson (seventh round, 229th overall)

Thumper
04-26-2009, 07:04 PM
just a homer

cdub11
04-26-2009, 07:04 PM
I was not impressed with the Dallas draft

Im_a_Romosexual
04-26-2009, 07:07 PM
IDK

I don't see Johnson,Phillips, or Hodge making the team. Buehler was totally not needed and is a waste of a roster spot IMO if he even makes the team. While I like Brewster and Butler, I believe we reached on them.

Love the Mickens and Williams(both) picks though

EDit: McGee was a bad pick too.

bearsfan_51
04-26-2009, 07:09 PM
The two best picks are probably the Cincinnatti corners.

cdub11
04-26-2009, 07:09 PM
I like the Hamlin pick

DiG
04-26-2009, 07:11 PM
Western Illinois LB Jason Williams (third round, 69th overall) - I've been big on Williams for a month or so now. Smart pick.

Ball State OL Robert Brewster (third round, 75th overall) - Not feelin this one as much. Could be proven wrong but dont love it.

Texas A&M QB Stephen McGee (fourth round, 101st overall) - Don't hate the pick but certainly dont think it was a great pick either. Could turn out to be a decent backup I guess.

Oregon State DE/OLB Victor Hunter (fourth round, 110th overall) - I had Butler graded out as a 6th rounder personally but I'm not a pro scout. OK pick but the Brandon Williams pick to me was much better.

Texas Tech DE/OLB Brandon Williams (fourth round, 120th overall) - Solid pick here.

Cincinnati CB/S DeAngelo Smith (fifth round, 143rd overall) - I do like Smith. Thought he might go a bit higher. Best fit seems to be a zone defense so well see.

Clemson FS Michael Hamlin (fifth round, 166th overall) - Never really liked Hamlin and thought he was overrated for a while but 5th round isnt bad value

USC K/special teamer David Buehler (fifth round, 172nd overall) - Meh

TCU S/LB Stephen Hodge (sixth round, 197th overall) - Right where I had him graded. Bit of trouble with the law in the past but has some potential.

Virginia TE John Phillips (sixth round, 208th overall) - Good blocker. Not much else

Cincinnati CB Mike Mickens (seventh round, 227th overall) - GREAT pick/value. Mickens reminds me of Smoot as a prospect.

Oklahoma WR Manuel Johnson (seventh round, 229th overall) - Can't say I know jack about Johnson.

Overall, decent. Not amazing to me but not a strike out either. Some guys that definitely have some potential but no real standout studs either which is expected without and 1st or 2nd round picks.

BaLLiN
04-26-2009, 07:11 PM
alot of your guys i feel are looked over prospects, like all 4 DBs, Brandon Williams is a guy i noticed last season.

Mr. Hero
04-26-2009, 07:15 PM
I like what you guys have done. You guys brought in some good DBs and our LB depth should be a lot better with the two Williams and Hunter and I thought Brewster, Phillips and McGee were good day two guys to snag.

Hurricanes25
04-26-2009, 07:19 PM
I thought Dallas had a solid draft, nothing spectacular.

JT Jag
04-26-2009, 07:20 PM
Because I don't think I am.

Round 1, #8 pick - Eugene Monroe, OT (Virginia)
Round 2, #7 pick - Eben Britton, OT (Arizona)
Round 3, #8 pick - Terrance Knighton, DT (Temple)
Round 3, #9 pick - Derek Cox, CB (William and Mary. Traded 2010 second rounder to acquire)
Round 4, #7 pick - Mike Thomas, WR (Arizona)
Round 5, #8 pick - Jarrett Dillard, WR (Rice)
Round 6, #7 pick - Zach Miller, TE (Nebraska-Omaha)
Round 7, #41 pick - Rashad Jennings, RB (Liberty)
Round 7, #44 pick - Tiquan Underwood, WR (Rutgers)

Every single pick represents great value, with the possible exception of the two third rounders. However, apparently the Jaguars like Knighton's potential, and they view Cox as a possible day-1 starter at corner.

Hurricanes25
04-26-2009, 07:21 PM
You guys reached for Knighton and Cox. Jennings was a great pick in the 7th.

Mr. Hero
04-26-2009, 07:22 PM
I loved your first day, Knighton's a guy who I thought was a rotational tackle and my personal favorite pick of yours was Jarrett Dillard, I think he's going to be Steve Smith caliber slot guy for you.

cdub11
04-26-2009, 07:24 PM
I like the Jags draft

JT Jag
04-26-2009, 07:24 PM
I loved your first day, Knighton's a guy who I thought was a rotational tackle and my personal favorite pick of yours was Jarrett Dillard, I think he's going to be Steve Smith caliber slot guy for you.Funny you say that, because some Jag fans are comparing Mike Thomas to the OTHER Steve Smith.

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 07:25 PM
Um...yeah?

Did you read the rest of my post? The VORP at LT is better than what was at DE. End of story.

corbi328
04-26-2009, 07:26 PM
I'm a Chicago fan and I thought you guys did really well. Byrd was one of a couple defensive players we would have taken at #49. When Byrd and Mitchell were off the board, we decided to trade back. I'm glad it unfolded this way because the Bears were one of the few teams that I thought had just as good a draft as the Bills. NE and the Giants also did incredibly well.

LonghornsLegend
04-26-2009, 07:28 PM
I love what the Jags did, got bookends of the future, and that line was a problem last year, nobody should be complaining about drafting future starters on the line especially after the way that line performed last year.


They grabbed WR's with great value who should contribute, they took them in numbers but the chances of one panning out is very high...I actually like all 3 of those WR's, and Jennings late was huge.


I think you guys should work him in and give him 10 carries a game, keep MJD fresh and don't work him to death...But then again, didn't you guys take Chauncey Washington in the 7th last year?


I guess it's no guarantee Jennings beats him out.

Sveen
04-26-2009, 07:29 PM
I really like what the Jags did.

D-Unit
04-26-2009, 07:32 PM
Guess I should've added Roy Williams.

wicket
04-26-2009, 07:36 PM
the correct answer still would be homer (you did way better than my saints though)

cdf_2108
04-26-2009, 07:37 PM
I can guarantee that Maurice Jones Drew loves what the Jags did.

703SKINS202
04-26-2009, 07:39 PM
I think homer, but they didn't really blunder. C, IMO.

A Perfect Score
04-26-2009, 07:44 PM
Didnt you trade your 2nd next year though?

thetedginnshow
04-26-2009, 07:45 PM
Great draft.

BigJohn98
04-26-2009, 07:46 PM
Didnt you trade your 2nd next year though?

Yes. To New England. :mad:

fenikz
04-26-2009, 07:48 PM
1-31) Beanie Wells RB Ohio State

2-63) Cody Brown, DE/OLB, Connecticut

3-95) Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama

4-131) Greg Toler, CB, St. Pauls

5-167) Herman Johnson, G, LSU

6-204) Will Davis, DE/OLB, Illinois

7-240) LaRod Stephens-Howling, RB, Pittsburgh

7-254) Trevor Canfield, G, Cincinnati

bored of education
04-26-2009, 07:50 PM
c. both :)

pr0d1gy
04-26-2009, 07:52 PM
They had a very solid draft. I wanted the Falcons to get Herman Johnson when I saw him dropping.

Rashad Johnson really showed out playing for Bama this year, making several HUGE plays to keep the Tide undefeated for so long.

wicket
04-26-2009, 07:53 PM
id exchange drafts with you guys in a heartbeat

Hurricanes25
04-26-2009, 07:53 PM
I thought they did a great job. It looks like they filled their needs and they took a lot of good players with great value.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-26-2009, 07:55 PM
Beanie is the best you could hope for. Amazing pick. Cody Brown I'm meh on and thought there were better 34 OLB's still there. Rashad was great value. Anything to keep Aaron Francisco off the field is a plus. Toler is a small school sleeper I had my eye on for the Skins, fair value. Herrman I don't ever see him making something with his size. Just terrible mobility. Davis is a bleh DE, Stephens-Howling wasn't even in the top 10 available backs at that pick for me but Canfield was good value and IMO will make the roster over Herrman.

BuffaloBillsDraft
04-26-2009, 07:55 PM
Expect Trent Edwards to be on the ground half the time if that's your offensive line. Walker is bad in pass protection for a RT, he'll be awful at LT.

When its broke you try to fix it.

Edwards was on his back all year last year because of Jason Peters, Derrick Dockery and Duke Preston.

Walker is not bad in pass protection with Buffalo. He has been one of our best free agent signings in a while.

Shane P. Hallam
04-26-2009, 07:56 PM
Beanie is the best you could hope for. Amazing pick. Cody Brown I'm meh on and thought there were better 34 OLB's still there. Rashad was great value. Anything to keep Aaron Francisco off the field is a plus. Toler is a small school sleeper I had my eye on for the Skins, fair value. Herrman I don't ever see him making something with his size. Just terrible mobility. Davis is a bleh DE, Stephens-Howling wasn't even in the top 10 available backs at that pick for me but Canfield was good value and IMO will make the roster over Herrman.

Well, they drafted LSH to be a special teamer/maybe returner

iBoldin
04-26-2009, 07:56 PM
Both guards should make it from this draft. The only thing I didn't like was how we didn't address center, and maybe how we took Stephens-Howling over Rashad Jennings. Other then that, I thought it was a spectacular draft for us.

I think we should go after Gus Parrish as a UDFA though.

jballa838
04-26-2009, 07:57 PM
r1:4: Aaron Curry
r2:17(49): Max Unger
r3:27(91): Deon Butler
r6:5(17): Mike Teel
r7:36(245): Courtney Greene
r7:38(247): Nick Reed
r7:39(248): Cameron Morrah

TitanHope
04-26-2009, 07:57 PM
The Titans traded their 2010 2nd RD pick to New England too...

...son of a....

scottyboy
04-26-2009, 07:58 PM
5 players taken, that's whats up. We win.

fenikz
04-26-2009, 07:58 PM
We are set at RB, LSH was brought in to be a special teamer

JHG722
04-26-2009, 07:59 PM
I'm a Temple fan; you guys got yourself a helluva player in Terrance Knighton (albeit slightly earlier than you could've gotten him)

TitanHope
04-26-2009, 07:59 PM
gpngc thinks you're delusional.

I loved ya'lls 1st Day, but wasn't a big fan of your 2nd Day. But, I'm not terribly familiar with the Seahawks.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-26-2009, 08:00 PM
UCONN trumps all.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-26-2009, 08:01 PM
Best thing you did was getting that 2010 first for trading out of the 2nd round. It doesn't figure though to be any higher than the early-mid 20's. I think next year is a stronger draft though.

Hurricanes25
04-26-2009, 08:03 PM
Rutgers Draft = A+

jballa838
04-26-2009, 08:06 PM
Mike Teel won't make our 52 man roster.

JHG722
04-26-2009, 08:06 PM
Beanie will eat himself out of the league.

Hurricanes25
04-26-2009, 08:07 PM
Mike Teel won't make our 52 man roster.

Not even as a 3rd stringer?

BuffaloBillsDraft
04-26-2009, 08:07 PM
Curry and Unger, good 1st day.

BuffaloBillsDraft
04-26-2009, 08:08 PM
I like it.

Chucky
04-26-2009, 08:09 PM
1 17 (17) Josh Freeman QB Kansas State
2nd rounder was traded for Kellen Winslow
3 17 (81) Roy Miller DT Texas
4 17 (117) Kyle Moore DE USC
5 19 (155) Xavier Fulton T Illinois
7 8 (217) E.J. Biggers CB Western Michigan
7 24 (233) Sammie Stroughter WR Oregon State

Abaddon
04-26-2009, 08:13 PM
Both tackles were steals.

Abaddon
04-26-2009, 08:14 PM
...or am I just trolling?

TACKLE
04-26-2009, 08:16 PM
Not spectacular but solid all the way through.

fenikz
04-26-2009, 08:16 PM
http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/taylorbell_photo/boxxy-trolling.jpg

Abaddon
04-26-2009, 08:16 PM
Did you read the rest of my post? The VORP at LT is better than what was at DE. End of story.

No...Trent Edwards on IR is the end of the story.

Rob S
04-26-2009, 08:18 PM
i fully expect us to have levi jones as a stop gap LT this year. He would be serviceable for a year or 2.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-26-2009, 08:18 PM
gpngc thinks you're delusional.

I loved ya'lls 1st Day, but wasn't a big fan of your 2nd Day. But, I'm not terribly familiar with the Seahawks.

I bet Scottyboy creamed himself after the Seahawks second day.

Basileus777
04-26-2009, 08:19 PM
They had a good draft other than ******* up their most important pick by taking Curry over Sanchez or Monroe.

Rjspartan
04-26-2009, 08:21 PM
you are canadian......

rockio42
04-26-2009, 08:21 PM
Ok Scotty I have to know...what did you do when the Giants took Nicks over Britt

JT Jag
04-26-2009, 08:22 PM
I'm a Temple fan; you guys got yourself a helluva player in Terrance Knighton (albeit slightly earlier than you could've gotten him)Good to know. Who would you compare him to?

Crickett
04-26-2009, 08:22 PM
1.5. Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California


He will pass block for himself. He will catch the passes that he throws. He will hand the ball off to himself. He will play defense and get interceptions so he can get back on the field. He will break season passing records each game. He is THE FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

Tim Tebow, Jim Sorgi and Chuck Norris got nothing on him.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0426/nfl_u_sanchez01_600.jpg


THATS WHY WE AMERICAN FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!

rockio42
04-26-2009, 08:22 PM
I seem to always pick two or three of the Bucs picks but its always in the wrong rounds...last year it was Josh Johnson and Dre Moore and this year it was Roy Miller and Kyle Moore (even though I wanted him on the Rams)

Mr. Hero
04-26-2009, 08:24 PM
for only picking two guys who'll be on their roster they did well. Hopefully Sanchez is a franchise QB and Greene is great insurance for when the wheels finally come of Thomas Jones.

Rjspartan
04-26-2009, 08:24 PM
.......................... am i just sexy???

JHG722
04-26-2009, 08:30 PM
Good to know. Who would you compare him to?

I'm not really good at comparisons/projections. I'm sure someone else can answer, though.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-26-2009, 08:32 PM
The Bills have not liked Orakpo all offseason. You would have to follow the Bills to know that. They dont like Texas players high in the draft anymore. They dont think Orakpo was the right fit effort wise.

Dont shoot the messenger, but they NEVER liked Orakpo, they would have passed on him in 7th round if he made it there.

Me personally, I liked the name Orakpo, star player, but I knew the Bills did not like him at all.

Just because the Bills liked Maybin over Orakpo doesn't mean it was a good pick. The Raiders had DHB over Crabtree and Michael Mitchell as the best safety in the draft so that doesn't mean much.

Crickett
04-26-2009, 08:32 PM
for only picking two guys who'll be on their roster they did well. Hopefully Sanchez is a franchise QB and Greene is great insurance for when the wheels finally come of Thomas Jones.

I'm pretty sure the guard they took from Nebraska will make the roster too given the curent Jets backup OL and who the Jets OL coach is (Bill Calahan, former Nebraska head coach).

Mr. Hero
04-26-2009, 08:33 PM
I may be off base here but I think he's comparable to Barry Cofield, meaning he doesn't have the size to be NT but is still good at holding at the LOS and stopping the run and has the quickness to become a good penetrator/pass rusher inside.

derza222
04-26-2009, 08:33 PM
I'm pretty sure the guard they took from Nebraska will make the roster too given the curent Jets backup OL and who the Jets OL coach is (Bill Calahan, former Nebraska head coach).

And also we have no depth, particularly inside, on the offensive line.

To answer the initial post, both. Obviously.

Shane P. Hallam
04-26-2009, 08:34 PM
Did you do great, or just post *****?

Rjspartan
04-26-2009, 08:34 PM
the panthers did better
http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/sir-purr---cupid-shuffle/11f5578e-a223-4d2d-8d09-e1a2c2481772

art vandelay
04-26-2009, 08:34 PM
No...Trent Edwards on IR is the end of the story.

LOL right....because that's what happened when Peters didn't play in week 1, 16, and 17. We actually won 2 of those 3 games and Edwards played very well. The game we lost was to NE in a wild, windy game. I don't know if you know but Peters let up 11.5 sacks last year in just 13 games....

Mr. Hero
04-26-2009, 08:36 PM
Giants get a W for winning the draft.

herniateddisc
04-26-2009, 08:37 PM
I nominate Dallas and Raiders for worst drafts considering what they had starting Friday..

Jensen
04-26-2009, 08:38 PM
My Cardinals review:

Loved this draft. I would probably give it an A or A- overall.

Beanie Wells was a great pick. Should step in day one and start. Hopefully he will give the Cardinals the running game they have desperately needed for awhile. Grade: A+

Cody Brown was not somebody I was looking at either predraft, and it's looking like Brown was the better pick over Sidbury as Sidbury fell all the way to the 4th I believe. The Cards needed more pass rush and Brown will probably be used during 3rd down situations early on while being groomed for starting duties later. I am really starting to like this pick. Grade: A-

I loved the Rashad Johnson pick. I was expecting him to go in the mid 2nd round and it's great that he fell all the way to the 3rd for the Cards. To me, he is a lot like Adrian Wilson. He looks to have the fire, determination, and leadership skills that Wilson does. I believe he will be the Cards starter at FS within 2 years. Grade: A

Gregory Toler I was not really familiar with before the draft, but after reading a lot of scouting reports it seems like the Cards could have a major steal on their hands. A lot of reports said he was a small-school sleeper with the potential to be a starting CB and he was drawing a lot of comparisons to DRC. Kid seems confident that he will be a good player too. Grade: B+

I'm kind of mad that we didn't address the OL until the 5th round, but looking at our 4 picks it's not that bad. Herman Johnson was going in the 2nd round in a lot of people's mocks, and was another OG that fell in the draft. Big, big boy who I think with a lot of S&C coaching and a rigorous workout could turn into a good OG. None really better than Grimm to help him with that. I think getting him down to 340-345 would really improve his blocking and speed. Grade: B+

Will Davis seems like a situational pass rusher that could potentially turn into a starter. While I would greatfully welcome his pass rushing skills, I can't help but wonder why the Cards didn't go with A.Q. Shipley here. Still, Davis should help the pass rush and will probably only be useful on 3rd downs his first couple years in the league. Grade: B-

I like the pick of LaRod Stephens-Howling to help out the return game. To me, this is essentially a replacement for J.J. Arrington. He will likely spare Breaston some returns while coming in as a change of pace back for Wells and Hightower. I can't really fault this pick here. Grade: B

I LOVE the pick of Trevor Canfield with our last pick. IMO, I think he will turn out better than Herman Johnson will. He has a nasty streak and has the strength and agility to neutralize a lot defensive players. I read that he could play center as well, but I like him as a guard more. However, with Grimm coaching him there's no telling how he could do at center. Grade: A-

My only gripes with this draft is that we didn't go after a C or TE. Those were two of our biggest needs going into the draft IMO. I would've loved to get A.Q. Shipley in the 6th over Davis. He would have been a substantial improvement over Sendlein. Some possible UDFA's I would like to see the Cards pick up:

Frantz Joseph, ILB
Chris Baker, DT
Gerald Cadogan, OT
Everette Pedescleaux, 3-4 DE
Alex Fletcher, C

scottyboy
04-26-2009, 08:49 PM
Mike Teel won't make our 52 man roster.

too bad he's your future stud who will replace Matty H in Seattle. It'll be all rainy there, which makes good QB's throw bad. SO, the reverse effect will happen and make a bad QB throw good, thus equaling mass home win for the Seahawks.

oh, and BOO killing the joke and titles!

themaninblack
04-26-2009, 08:54 PM
The Bengals 2009 Draft Class:

1.(6) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
2.(38) Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
3.(70) Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
3.(98) Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
4.(106) Johnathan Luigs, C, Arkansas
5.(142) Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati
6.(179) Morgan Trent, CB, Michigan
6.(209) Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian
7.(215) Fui Vakapuna, FB, BYU
7.(249) Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis
7.(252) Freddie Brown, WR, Utah

Really love this class for the most part.

phenomenal_waffles
04-26-2009, 09:19 PM
Rd 1, Pick 12 (12) Moreno, Knowshon RB - B+
Rd 1, Pick 18 (18) Ayers, Robert LB/DE - C
Rd 2, Pick 5 (37) Smith, Alphonso CB - F
Rd 2, Pick 16 (48) McBath, Darcel CB/FS - C-
Rd 2, Pick 32 (64) Quinn, Richard TE - F
Rd 4, Pick 14 (114) Bruton, David FS - F
Rd 4, Pick 32 (132) Olsen, Seth OG - D-
Rd 5, Pick 5 (141) McKinley, Kenny WR - C-
Rd 6, Pick 1 (174) Brandstater, Tom QB - D
Rd 7, Pick 16 (225) Schlueter, Blake C - F

I like the Knowshon pick. The perfect pass catching back for our spread offense. I don't like Robert Ayers as an 34 End or Rush Linebacker. He is a 43 End, and that's it. I'm not even going to get into the Alphonso Smith pick. I don't like the pick of Darcel McBath when Rashad Johnson is on the board. I was happy when we traded up to the last pick in round 2. I thought we would get Rashad Johnson, but instead, we drafted a TE who will be 3rd string on the depth chart. David Bruton's alright, be we just drafted Darcel McBath (he won't play CB). I don't like the next four picks at all when Chris Baker is on the board. We only drafted one D-lineman, and he might not even play DE (Ayers). I know nothing of Seth Olsen, and I don't think it was justified to draft a guard there. McDaniels loves drafting players who aren't the best at their position who are still on the board, as Kenny McKinley and Tom Brandstater weren't the best WR and QB left respectively. I am also confused how we had Blake Schlueter over A.Q. Shipley.

sbh15
04-26-2009, 09:39 PM
1.5. Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern California


He will pass block for himself. He will catch the passes that he throws. He will hand the ball off to himself. He will play defense and get interceptions so he can get back on the field. He will break season passing records each game. He is THE FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK.

ESPN and their massive bromance with Mark Sanchez concur. Especially Tom Jackson.

killxswitch
04-26-2009, 10:16 PM
B-

The Colts got two 300+ lb. DTs and a big OG. But we didn't get any LBs, we took a marginally better version of Joseph Addai with our first pick, took another midget CB in the 3rd, and took a QB in the 6th with a bunch of (IMO) better players available at the time.

nobodyinparticular
04-26-2009, 10:29 PM
I refuse to grade the Raiders' draft.

See me in 5 years.

bearsfan_51
04-26-2009, 10:31 PM
The Bears get Jay Cutler and are still able to draft a bunch of solid prospects.

We win.

Brent
04-26-2009, 10:34 PM
I'm pretty happy with our draft. Would have liked to have seen a OLB or OT taken but I can live with it.

LonghornsLegend
04-26-2009, 10:45 PM
The Cowboys draft was so bad, we are going to win 3 games next year, and the stadium will officially close in 2011 due to the lack of talent on our football team.

lost33cause
04-26-2009, 10:51 PM
The Bengals 2009 Draft Class:

1.(6) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
2.(38) Rey Maualuga, ILB, USC
3.(70) Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
3.(98) Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri
4.(106) Johnathan Luigs, C, Arkansas
5.(142) Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati
6.(179) Morgan Trent, CB, Michigan
6.(209) Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian
7.(215) Fui Vakapuna, FB, BYU
7.(249) Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis
7.(252) Freddie Brown, WR, Utah

Really love this class for the most part.

You can't deny the value of most of the picks. I give my Bengals an A obviously. Only reason I didn't do A+ was because of Bernard Scott. I personally don't have a problem with the pick because it was a late rounder. I think it just give people a negative on an otherwise amazing draft. Skill wise he's a good talent though so maybe we'll strike it rich.

bearsfan_51
04-26-2009, 10:54 PM
I think the Bengals draft was overrated. Not a bad draft or anything, but I don't get why some people are ******** their pants over it. There wasn't a single player that didn't fall for a very understandable reason, and in my opinion Andre Smith over Eugene Monroe is a huge HUGE risk.

Caddy
04-27-2009, 12:50 AM
1 17 (17) Josh Freeman QB Kansas State
2nd rounder was traded for Kellen Winslow
3 17 (81) Roy Miller DT Texas
4 17 (117) Kyle Moore DE USC
5 19 (155) Xavier Fulton T Illinois
7 8 (217) E.J. Biggers CB Western Michigan
7 24 (233) Sammie Stroughter WR Oregon State

I loved our draft but that was pretty much a given as soon as we selected Josh Freeman who I have been high on for months.

Freeman obviously is the quarterback of the future in Tampa Bay and I am incredibly excited about that. Miller in the third round I thought was a bit of a reach, but he gives a big body at defensive tackle who can hopefully take start within the next 12 months. Kyle Moore I thought could have been the pick in the 3rd so I was stoked to get him here. A solid left end prospect for us. Xavier Fulton is going to be a swing lineman. It is hard to fault a team for taking one in the 5th round and I think that is just about where he deserved to be taken. E.J. Biggers is a developmental guy with a good chance to make the team as a 4/5. I actually drafted him with the exact same pick in the forum mock. And Sammie Stroughter is good value in the 7th. I hope he makes the roster.

umphrey
04-27-2009, 01:04 AM
I think the Bengals draft was overrated. Not a bad draft or anything, but I don't get why some people are ******** their pants over it. There wasn't a single player that didn't fall for a very understandable reason, and in my opinion Andre Smith over Eugene Monroe is a huge HUGE risk.

I agree. They did a poor job of mixing in hard workers with raw talent. They took all boom or bust guys nobody close to a sure thing.

7-11
04-27-2009, 01:22 AM
I think the Bengals draft was overrated. Not a bad draft or anything, but I don't get why some people are ******** their pants over it. There wasn't a single player that didn't fall for a very understandable reason, and in my opinion Andre Smith over Eugene Monroe is a huge HUGE risk.

I agree, it just looks like they drafted on the big name over the first three rounds

Mr. Hero
04-27-2009, 01:34 AM
I agree. They did a poor job of mixing in hard workers with raw talent. They took all boom or bust guys nobody close to a sure thing.

rey rey and andre smith both bust their asses, I think Rey rey deserved to be a second round pick but not because of he wasn't a hard worker. I'm pretty sure you meant something else though, so I'll just say you definitely need to better your wording in this post because Michael Johnson is their only pick who's motor I question, I question Scott's character, but every other pick outside of rey rey and andre are high character guys and rey rey and andre both just fall short of that label because they're still immature, which isn't that surprising for a 22 year old.

mqtirishfan
04-27-2009, 01:36 AM
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Niners_2152
04-27-2009, 01:41 AM
1 - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
3 - Glen Coffee, RB, Alabama
5 - Scott McKillop, ILB, Pittsburgh
5 - Nate Davis, QB, Ball State
6 - Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno State
7 - Curtis Taylor, S, LSU
7 - Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, LSU

First, let me say a ton of things had to go exactly right for Crabtree to fall to us and we where all beside ourselves when it happened. We have 3 good young WRs in Crabtree, Morgan and Hill. We have Bruce back and signed Jones to a pretty big contract. I don't see Arnaz Battle or Ziegler sticking around.

A

We traded our 2nd rounder and 4th rounder for Panthers 1st next year. Judging by their schedule it should be around 15-20 or higher. (Sorry Panthers Fans). I assume we wanted Darius Butler or Ron Brace and Pats screwed us so that's why we traded down although some wanted Everrette Brown there.

A

We needed a backup running back to compliment Gore and I like the Coffee pick. Foster is probably gone and Thomas Clayton is our only other RB. I wondered why we didnt pick Jenning or Andre Brown but the spots they went in might showed Coffee was the best left after Greene was snatched up.

B+

Scott McKillop could be our future TED after Takeo Spikes retires. He could be around for quite a while and be like our Jeff Ulbrich or Derek Smith.

B+

Nate Davis should make the team and minus the two bad games at the end of the season he could have been a second rounder. He is excellent value here and could be our future starter or at least a decent backup once we work out some mechanic issues.

B

Bear Pascoe will make the team as a blocking TE. Kind of like Billy Bajema who we lost to the Rams. This makes me happy because no he can stay in and block instead of Vernon Davis.

B

Curtis Taylor and Ricky Jean-Francois both have an opportunity to make the team or at least the practice squad in Taylor's case.

C

UNDRAFTED FA's

We get a good productive RB in Kory Sheets who could make the team and a good RT who fell mainly because of off the field issues.

A



Overall, I will give us an A- but we will have to wait and see how the Panthers do next year as well. Honestly, their schedule is brutal and a lot has to do with how Jake Delhomme does but I could see them only having 6 or 7 wins. Also, will Peppers be around?

Home: Falcons, Saints, Buccaneers, Eagles, Redskins, Vikings, Bills, and Dolphins

Away: Falcons, Saints, Buccaneers, Cowboys, NY Giants, Cardinals, Patriots, and NY Jets

Iamcanadian
04-27-2009, 04:50 AM
Detroit: A+

Sure, we still have to wait 3 years to find out if Stafford is any good but he fit Schwartz's scheme and the position was absolutely correct.
Pettigrew - In an exceptionally weak draft, he was a steal at #20. He is like having a 2nd LT playing on the field re: blocking and is a real comfort player who should really help Stafford develop and Schwartz schemes runs a lot of plays for his TE's if he follows Tennessee's style offense.
Delmas - Can he stand up as a SS over time because he puts his body on the line every play. If there weren't longevity concerns he is easily a 1st rounder.
In this weak draft, the rest of the picks are anybodies guess but I think they did their homework and we'll just have to see.

Cleveland: F

Mangini has decided to gut the team and start over for the 4th time. I really don't think he has a clue what he is doing so he played the #'s game and is praying for some results.

Buffalo: F

For over a decade Buffalo has been unable to retain its top players due to financial concerns. The trading of Peters is just another in a long line of talent loss. This forces Buffalo to use the draft to fill the holes its lack of money creates rather than solving its weaknesses. Nothing has changed.

Mr. Hero
04-27-2009, 04:57 AM
Quit your bitching the bills had a very good draft and Peters wasn't traded because he wanted big money, it was because he wanted ridiculous money especially for a guy who's specialty is supposed to pass blocking and who gave up 11 sacks last year. The giants, pats and eagles have all let guys who wanted too much money walk and they aren't ready to fold their franchises. Buffalo made a good move not making Peters one of the highest paid tackles in the league and had a good draft.

wicket
04-27-2009, 05:08 AM
Saints picks:
1(14) Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
I was okay with the pick but I still feel we could have traded down a bit futher and still have gotten him. That was kinda vital with the 4 picks we had in total.
Grade:B
4(116) Chip Vaughn S Wake Forrest
At first I was a bit suprised by this pick but after thinking about it I was still suprised. Our need for a safety is at free safety not at strong safete. The kid has the speed to make the transition maybe but its difficult. Valuewise the pick was okay but far from stunning.
Grade B-
4(118) Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forrest
I was baffled when I read this pick. Big reach on a pure inside linebacker. I dont like to force this guy to transition to WILL but that is what we need to do to make this a usefull pick. There were many better linebackers on the board when this pick was made.
Grade: D-
5(164) Thomas Morstead P S.M.U.
This pick made me wanna kill Mickey Loomis. Besides the fact that you dont trade up for a punter, nor do you pick one in the fifth nor did we need one he was just flat out bad value and the trade didnt even have good value. Seriously what was Mickey thinking when he did this.
Grade: Millen(equals ZZZZZ--------)
UDFA(thusfar): Jonathan Cassilas, Cedric Dockery, Augustus Parrish, Chris Vaughn and Darry Gorrer.
I love the signing of Casillas and Parrish who in my opinion were 2 of the best 20ish players left after the draft. I dont see gorrer making the team but the other four could easily happen

Overall grade: D+

Mr. Hero
04-27-2009, 05:16 AM
I guess I'll grade the giants picks
Hakeem Nicks, WR, UNC - B+
I like nicks a lot and think he'll be able to make an impact as a rookie with his toughness and hands. He wasn't a great value and he might not be a true number one in terms of what franchise receivers usually bring to the table so no A, but a very good pick that I cant really gripe about.
Clint Sintim, SLB, Virginia - A-
I think he's a really good value at 45 and has a lot of potential. While he is a much better pass rusher/blitzer than Kehl or Goff I don't think he's as good as either one at stuffing the run and his coverage abilities are a major question mark. I like this pick as well, but we didn't really need another LB, although that's not to say he won't get put to good use.
William Beatty, LT, Connecticut - A
My favorite pick from this draft. Beatty's got great potential and already has very smooth feet while being a highly under-rated run blocker. The only thing stopping him from surpassing Diehl on the depth chart is 10-20 pounds to help finish his blocks and make him more of a mauler int eh run game. Steal and awesome pick. I think he sits this year, but takes over next year when Whimper walks forcing diehl inside to guard if McKenzie's back hasn't given out.
Ramses Barden, WR, Caly-Poly - B+
Give up just a fifth to get him was a good value and I love this kid. He's raw and won't really make us that much better as a rookie, but in a few years I think he'll be the number one receiver and Nicks his compliment. Good hands, body control and speed to go with great size, strength and run blocking. Get him to sharpen his routes and keep working on his consistency with his hands and we've got a steal in the third.
Travis Beckum, TE/H-Back, Wisconsin - B-
Coming off injury and never having been asked to block I don't know if he'll be able to help as a rookie, but if pope teaches him to block like he did Boss and Shockey we'll have a sweet young TE duo.
Andre Brown, RB, NCST - B-
I don't think we needed a running back this high and would've rather seen an offensive lineman, but Brown gives us a good power backup for when jacobs gets banged up and with his good hands I think he could really excel as our third down back.
Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State - ???
I don't even know how to grade this pick. If carr walks next year this makes sense, and he is a good value in the fifth since he has starter potential, but this pick is iffy for me, I think getting competition for Woodson and the third QB spot was much less important than grabbing a safety or some more line depth but oh well
Deandre Wright, DB, New Mexico - C
It's a sixth rounder so he'll probably just be a special teams guy, but he seems to fit the bill as he's got good size and length to go with solid speed. We'll see how this works out, for now I'm just giving it an average grade. I would've prefered AQ Shipley here.
Stoney Woodson, DB, Southern Carolina - D
How is he any different than DeAndre Wright? They're like the exact same size with similar speed, both more of the hard working types. Why not use this pick to get a Kicker who doesn't terrify his fans, GANO? But if he performs well on special teams this'll be a good pick.

I'll give us a B+/A- I love this draft until the Bomar pick, that was a head scratcher and the back to back DBs to finish it of is questionable to me. Since neither seem like good fits at SS and neither will ever surpass Webster, Thomas or Ross, probably not even Dockery.

rojones82
04-27-2009, 05:25 AM
I think the Bengals draft was overrated. Not a bad draft or anything, but I don't get why some people are ******** their pants over it. There wasn't a single player that didn't fall for a very understandable reason, and in my opinion Andre Smith over Eugene Monroe is a huge HUGE risk.

I just dont get why people are hating on the Bengals soo much.

Smith when you watch game footage is the best Tackle of the lot period. Okay he is a little tubby and not chissled. Okay he made a few mistakes. Not like he killed a guy or something Jesus !

the only risk was Scott imo and he was a 6th round comp pick !

get a grip.

We had a great draft A Grade for me :)

BlindSite
04-27-2009, 05:58 AM
1 - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
3 - Glen Coffee, RB, Alabama
5 - Scott McKillop, ILB, Pittsburgh
5 - Nate Davis, QB, Ball State
6 - Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno State
7 - Curtis Taylor, S, LSU
7 - Ricky Jean-Francois, DT, LSU

First, let me say a ton of things had to go exactly right for Crabtree to fall to us and we where all beside ourselves when it happened. We have 3 good young WRs in Crabtree, Morgan and Hill. We have Bruce back and signed Jones to a pretty big contract. I don't see Arnaz Battle or Ziegler sticking around.

A

We traded our 2nd rounder and 4th rounder for Panthers 1st next year. Judging by their schedule it should be around 15-20 or higher. (Sorry Panthers Fans). I assume we wanted Darius Butler or Ron Brace and Pats screwed us so that's why we traded down although some wanted Everrette Brown there.

A

We needed a backup running back to compliment Gore and I like the Coffee pick. Foster is probably gone and Thomas Clayton is our only other RB. I wondered why we didnt pick Jenning or Andre Brown but the spots they went in might showed Coffee was the best left after Greene was snatched up.

B+

Scott McKillop could be our future TED after Takeo Spikes retires. He could be around for quite a while and be like our Jeff Ulbrich or Derek Smith.

B+

Nate Davis should make the team and minus the two bad games at the end of the season he could have been a second rounder. He is excellent value here and could be our future starter or at least a decent backup once we work out some mechanic issues.

B

Bear Pascoe will make the team as a blocking TE. Kind of like Billy Bajema who we lost to the Rams. This makes me happy because no he can stay in and block instead of Vernon Davis.

B

Curtis Taylor and Ricky Jean-Francois both have an opportunity to make the team or at least the practice squad in Taylor's case.

C

UNDRAFTED FA's

We get a good productive RB in Kory Sheets who could make the team and a good RT who fell mainly because of off the field issues.

A



Overall, I will give us an A- but we will have to wait and see how the Panthers do next year as well. Honestly, their schedule is brutal and a lot has to do with how Jake Delhomme does but I could see them only having 6 or 7 wins. Also, will Peppers be around?

Home: Falcons, Saints, Buccaneers, Eagles, Redskins, Vikings, Bills, and Dolphins

Away: Falcons, Saints, Buccaneers, Cowboys, NY Giants, Cardinals, Patriots, and NY Jets

This again... Panthers being written off by fans of the team with our draft pick. Ask the eagles fans how that works out.

Mr. Hero
04-27-2009, 06:00 AM
This again... Panthers being written off by fans of the team with our draft pick. Ask the eagles fans how that works out.

You don't want me arguing with you about the panthers, last time that happened you came up with this beautiful nugget "The panthers may lose in the playoffs but it will not be because of Jake Delhomme" :D

Niners_2152
04-27-2009, 06:28 AM
This again... Panthers being written off by fans of the team with our draft pick. Ask the eagles fans how that works out.

Its more the quality of the schedule than it is a knock on their team. The Falcons are improved and added Gonzalez and the Saints added help to their bad secondary and still have Drew Brees and all those weapons. They should sweep the Bucs but look at the rest of the schedule.

eaglesalltheway
04-27-2009, 06:44 AM
This again... Panthers being written off by fans of the team with our draft pick. Ask the eagles fans how that works out.

It got us our franchise LT, I'd say it worked out pretty well;).

eaglesalltheway
04-27-2009, 06:47 AM
I guess I'll grade the giants picks
Hakeem Nicks, WR, UNC - B+
I like nicks a lot and think he'll be able to make an impact as a rookie with his toughness and hands. He wasn't a great value and he might not be a true number one in terms of what franchise receivers usually bring to the table so no A, but a very good pick that I cant really gripe about.
Clint Sintim, SLB, Virginia - A-
I think he's a really good value at 45 and has a lot of potential. While he is a much better pass rusher/blitzer than Kehl or Goff I don't think he's as good as either one at stuffing the run and his coverage abilities are a major question mark. I like this pick as well, but we didn't really need another LB, although that's not to say he won't get put to good use.
William Beatty, LT, Connecticut - A
My favorite pick from this draft. Beatty's got great potential and already has very smooth feet while being a highly under-rated run blocker. The only thing stopping him from surpassing Diehl on the depth chart is 10-20 pounds to help finish his blocks and make him more of a mauler int eh run game. Steal and awesome pick. I think he sits this year, but takes over next year when Whimper walks forcing diehl inside to guard if McKenzie's back hasn't given out.
Ramses Barden, WR, Caly-Poly - B+
Give up just a fifth to get him was a good value and I love this kid. He's raw and won't really make us that much better as a rookie, but in a few years I think he'll be the number one receiver and Nicks his compliment. Good hands, body control and speed to go with great size, strength and run blocking. Get him to sharpen his routes and keep working on his consistency with his hands and we've got a steal in the third.
Travis Beckum, TE/H-Back, Wisconsin - B-
Coming off injury and never having been asked to block I don't know if he'll be able to help as a rookie, but if pope teaches him to block like he did Boss and Shockey we'll have a sweet young TE duo.
Andre Brown, RB, NCST - B-
I don't think we needed a running back this high and would've rather seen an offensive lineman, but Brown gives us a good power backup for when jacobs gets banged up and with his good hands I think he could really excel as our third down back.
Rhett Bomar, QB, Sam Houston State - ???
I don't even know how to grade this pick. If carr walks next year this makes sense, and he is a good value in the fifth since he has starter potential, but this pick is iffy for me, I think getting competition for Woodson and the third QB spot was much less important than grabbing a safety or some more line depth but oh well
Deandre Wright, DB, New Mexico - C
It's a sixth rounder so he'll probably just be a special teams guy, but he seems to fit the bill as he's got good size and length to go with solid speed. We'll see how this works out, for now I'm just giving it an average grade. I would've prefered AQ Shipley here.
Stoney Woodson, DB, Southern Carolina - D
How is he any different than DeAndre Wright? They're like the exact same size with similar speed, both more of the hard working types. Why not use this pick to get a Kicker who doesn't terrify his fans, GANO? But if he performs well on special teams this'll be a good pick.

I'll give us a B+/A- I love this draft until the Bomar pick, that was a head scratcher and the back to back DBs to finish it of is questionable to me. Since neither seem like good fits at SS and neither will ever surpass Webster, Thomas or Ross, probably not even Dockery.


I'm not a big fan of Beckum, I'd give that pick a C. I don't see him amounting to much in the NFL, but that is OK because you are pretty much set at TE. I agree roughly with the rest of the picks, and would personally give the Bomar pick a C or C-. I think he has a lot of potential though, so that could be a B- depending on perspective. I really think the Giants had a great draft. I'd give it an A- or B+ as well. The Beckum pick is what makes it not a solid A for me.

RCAChainGang
04-27-2009, 08:37 AM
Donald Brown: RB, UCONN: B

Fili Moala: DT, USC: B+

Jerraud Powers: CB, Auburn: B-

Austin Collie: WR, BYU: A

Terrance Taylor: DT, Michigan: A+

Curtis Painter: QB, Purdue: B

Pat McAfee: P, W. Virginia: B-

Jaimie Thomas: OL, Maryland: B

Overall: B+

Sniper
04-27-2009, 08:39 AM
1 (19) Jeremy Maclin, WR/KR/PR, Missouri
2 (53) LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
5 (153) Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
5 (157) Macho Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
5 (159) Feniki Tupou, OL, Oregon
6 (194) Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State
7 (213) Paul Fanaika, OG, Arizona State
7 (230) Moise Fukou, OLB, Maryland

Also add OT Jason Peters and CB Ellis Hobbs who were acquired for picks.

Yes, this draft does indeed win.

Sniper
04-27-2009, 08:40 AM
Terrance Taylor: DT, Michigan: A+

No. Not now, not yesterday, not tomorrow, not ever. Terrance Taylor does not deserve an A+. Ever. Under any circumstances. For any reason.

keylime_5
04-27-2009, 08:46 AM
Solid B-. Bunch of really smart players who are safe bets as pros, guys who you know what you're gonna get. Mack should be one of the better centers in the league before long, Robiskie will be a good #2, Massaquoi an Amani Toomer type, but more of a #3 than what Toomer was. Maiava will be a special teams demon but probably not much more, and at least one of Don Carey and Coye Francies will be a nickelback at worst. James Davis will be a rotational back who is capable of being a big part of a comittee, and he has starting potential. The only wildcard is David Veikune, I think he is somewhat a boom or bust, though a very good special teamer and backup at worst IMO.

bored of education
04-27-2009, 08:50 AM
1 (19) Jeremy Maclin, WR/KR/PR, Missouri
2 (53) LeSean McCoy, RB, Pittsburgh
5 (153) Cornelius Ingram, TE, Florida
5 (157) Macho Harris, CB, Virginia Tech
5 (159) Feniki Tupou, OL, Oregon
6 (194) Brandon Gibson, WR, Washington State
7 (213) Paul Fanaika, OG, Arizona State
7 (230) Moise Fukou, OLB, Maryland

Also add OT Jason Peters and CB Ellis Hobbs who were acquired for picks.

Yes, this draft does indeed win.


It could win, a lot of potential. I don't know how Maclin adn Jackson together will be. No true possession smooth route running stud yet but still very solid. I like McCoy as well. Gibson and Ingram a lot of potential as well. Peters could go back to two years ago and with all that it would be a win.

Not a win just yet but damn it could be epic.

RCAChainGang
04-27-2009, 08:52 AM
No. Not now, not yesterday, not tomorrow, not ever. Terrance Taylor does not deserve an A+. Ever. Under any circumstances. For any reason.

Really?

I thought he was a fantastic value there. He will really help us in the middle.

keylime_5
04-27-2009, 08:54 AM
Oh yeah, the Browns didn't just get 8 players either that they drafted, they also got 2 veteran starters and a backup QB from the Jets, so that's 11 new players, and 3 or 4 new opening day starters in two days.

Sniper
04-27-2009, 08:56 AM
Really?

I thought he was a fantastic value there. He will really help us in the middle.

He has no agility, pass-rush moves, speed or quickness. Other than that, he's awesome. Not a good fit for the C2 defense. Are you guys changing defenses?

RCAChainGang
04-27-2009, 08:59 AM
He has no agility, pass-rush moves, speed or quickness. Other than that, he's awesome. Not a good fit for the C2 defense. Are you guys changing defenses?

No. I'm not a draft expert so your probably right. I loved the pick though. But Jim Caldwell promised bigger DT's and Colts fans are getting it. It stays C2 though.

killxswitch
04-27-2009, 09:05 AM
He has no agility, pass-rush moves, speed or quickness. Other than that, he's awesome. Not a good fit for the C2 defense. Are you guys changing defenses?

It is staying some sort of Cover 2, but it is changing. We have bigger LBs than we used to, with the thought that Coyer will want to blitz them more. And At one time last year we had either 1 or 0 DTs on the team that weighed over 300 lbs. We now have 5. The Dungy midget D is changing.

killxswitch
04-27-2009, 09:28 AM
Grading the Colts draft

Round 1 - RB Donald Brown
C+

Weird pick. The Colts running game was bad last year. 31st in the league bad. Addai hopped around too much instead of lowering his head and driving for yards. But this was mostly the fault of the patchwork OL we had all year. Eben Britton was available and would've made more sense to me. Brown to me is a marginally better version of Addai, I would've preferred Wells, or Greene or Jennings later in the draft. I also would've preferred Ziggy Hood.

Round 2 - DT Fili Moala
B+

This is the highest I remember Polian taking a DT as the GM of the Colts. I am concerned about the way he has underachieved given his physical tools, but if he gets his head on straight he could be the DT we've needed for years. A strong, disruptive DT that can penetrate the backfield AND does well against the run would be a Godsend. I am not sure he will do both of those things consistently so it's not an A, but it's close.

Round 3 - CB Jerraud Powers
D

We are fairly deep at corner, especially Midget corner which is what powers is. I would've preferred DJ Moore, or any of the higher-value OLmen who were available at this point. I think a similar value could've been had later.

Round 4 - WR Austin Collie
A

I am ecstatic that we waited all the way til round 4 to pick up another receiver. I don't know a ton about Collie but his production was great at BYU. I appreciate that we did not strain for a WR in the 1st to "replace" Marvin Harrison, one of the greatest WRs of all time. IMO you can't do that, you have to adjust your offense. With Manning, Wayne, Gonzalez, and Clark, we should be able to do that. It'll be interesting to see if Collie beats out Pierre Garcon for the slot spot.

Round 4 (comp) - DT Terrance Taylor
A

I called this over 2 months ago, though I said 5th round. A compensatory 4th is almost 5th round :D. With UT now covered with Moala, we need a run stuffer who can just stand at the line and be strong and protect our LBs and Bob Sanders from OLmen. He doesn't need to penetrate or even push the pocket, he just needs to occupy blockers. He is a NT only.

What I don't think some non-Colts fans understand is how bad the DT position has been in Indy. Last year we actually had DT starters that weighed 256 and 265 lbs. respectively. Poor DT play is why Bob Sanders always gets hurt - he gets destroyed by big blockers and full-speed RBs. With Taylor, Moala, and our other newer big guys Sanders can be a safety again instead of a 4th LB.

Round 6 - QB Curtis Painter
F

There were so many other better players available at this time. Ugh. He will be a fine backup if Manning allows Sorgi to be cut, but if Manning gets hurt we are still screwed. I would've taken OL, LB, DT, DE, or S before this.

Round 7 (via trade) - P/K Pat McAfee
B

I'm not sure he was worth trading next year's 6th rounder for, but we do need a punter who can hold for Vinatieri. If he can also be a kickoff specialist then that's just gravy.

Round 7 - OG Jaimie Thomas
A

A 7th round run blocker is fine with me. Our guards were terrible last year, and it doesn't look good for Lilja. I prefer OLmen who are significantly over 300 lbs. and Maryland has a pretty good running game so he should at least have a chance to make a difference on the team.

OVERALL: B-

the decider13
04-27-2009, 09:58 AM
I would give the Broncos around a C+. The Broncos have just been everyones favorite team to rip on since the trade, and they didn't help their case with trading next years first rounder. Luckily I like Alphonso Smith, or I probably wouldn't be posting for a while. If McD was going to trade a first, it had to be our own, or he would be giving his team a vote of no confidence. The running game is going to be vastly improved with Moreno and Quinn. I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do.

nepg
04-27-2009, 10:01 AM
Aside from trading Ellis Hobbs for a Russ Hochstein replacement, I liked just about everything the Pats did this weekend. Filled all the needs, got insanely high-potential players, and are loaded for next year's draft.

triggernome
04-27-2009, 10:20 AM
A look at the Texans' draft:

1 - Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
Good fit at a need position, he should step right in an add the toughness and physicality against the run that the defense has so desperately lacked. His value was about right where he was picked. The only concern is questions about his durability. B+

2 - Connor Barwin, DE/TE/OLB, Cincinatti
Probably the most interesting pick of the Texans' haul, he brings athleticism, intensity, and versatility to the team as a whole. He'll primarily play DE, coming in on obvious passing downs and giving Mario Williams a little help on the opposite edge. The coaches may also like to play him at TE on goal line/short yardage situations. It'll be fun to see how he fits in. A

3 - Antoine Caldwell, C/OG, Alabama
A 4 year starter at a good SEC program is good enough for most people. He'll have to earn it, but before the end of the season, Caldwell will be the starting center. Chris Myers got pushed around way too much to be a starter. A-

4a - Glover Quin, CB/FS, New Mexico
A real surprise to most (including myself). I still don't know much about him, but from what I've seen, he has great ball skills and ability to close on pass attempts, and can ably move through traffic and make tackles. Rick Smith and Gary Kubiak have said they plan to play him at CB, but his ideal fit seems to be at safety. They may have picked him a bit earlier than they needed to, but it's not terrible value. B-

4b - Anthony Hill, TE, NC State
He should replace Mark Bruener as the designated blocking TE, helping in short yardage situations (the biggest weakness in the offense last year), as well as dealing with 3-4 OLBs. Certainly far from spectacular or sexy, but he should do his job well. C

5 - James Casey, TE/FB/RB/ETC, Rice
A guy the Texans had highly rated and just couldn't pass up in the 5th. Certainly not a need with Owen Daniels and Joel Dreesen on the roster, and his fit within the offense is rather unclear, but he was excellent value. Nobody really needs the H-back, but anybody could use one. B+

6 - Brice McCain, CB, Utah
His main selling point is his blazing speed. He got overshadowed by Sean Smith; if he makes the roster, he'll be good as depth and a developmental player at CB, and a nice special teamer. B

7 - Troy Nolan, S, Arizona State
He can play the position, but was knocked down because of his wild inconsistency and unimpressive timed speed. Should at least be a good special teams guy. C

The Texans stuck to their gameplan and chose not to make any moves. They acquired a group of versatile, athletic, high motor players marked by Cushing, Barwin, and Casey. The biggest sore on the draft was the failure to come out with a power RB behind Slaton, but some guys like Arian Foster (who they signed) and PJ Hill made it out of the draft, and Casey could fill the role in a pinch, so it's not a big deal. The defense should be improved by this draft, and the offense, bolstered. OVERALL: A-

gdamac
04-27-2009, 10:37 AM
Raiders got an A...for Al Davis, I think you can all translate that into a regular grade on your own.

I have hope for some of the players, but you have to draft smarter than that, you just have to.

Forget Crabtree, Eugene Monroe and Ron Brace could have been the foundation of our trenches for a decade.

FlyingElvis
04-27-2009, 11:20 AM
The Patriots pass on several solid inside and outside LB prospects, instead choosing to load up on O & D linemen.

Chung, Butler and Brace are great picks for both depth and value. Vollmer is a beast of a man and at 310+ pounds is actually quite slim for his size. Very intriguing, since this guy could potentially be a OG, OT, or even TE. Tate in the 3rd is great even if he is on PUP/IR for the year. Before injury and a poorly timed blunt he was slated as a potential 1st rounder.

Trading Hobbs was stupid, imo. I can't remember the last time NE made it through the entire season without at least one CB on IR. WTF sense does it make to go and trade the one guy with decent experience in the system? He's not great, but Springs is often injured, Bodden is a question mark and Wilhite & Wheatley are second year players. I like them all to beat Hobbs out for playing time, but why trade depth for a few 5th round picks?

In addition to the players selected NE traded for 2 more second round picks next year. I'm particularly excited about that b/c the 2 teams were Tennesse and Jacksonville. Division rivals in what should be the toughest division in football again this year, which should benefit the Pats. I only wish the AFC South had tougher divisions to play this year instead of the AFC East and NFC West. Of course, the strength of any particular team can change quickly each year.


******

The top draft, imo, has to go the the Giants. I also think the Cardinals and Titans did a great job plucking solid players who dropped to the end of each round and, for the most part, fit their respective needs very well.

bantx
04-27-2009, 12:00 PM
Other than English and a few others, We're going to have a beast ass practice squad so with that A++

TitleTown088
04-27-2009, 01:39 PM
One day after the draft and all 32 teams had an A+ draft. Go figure.

Mr. Hero
04-27-2009, 01:56 PM
I'm not a big fan of Beckum, I'd give that pick a C. I don't see him amounting to much in the NFL, but that is OK because you are pretty much set at TE. I agree roughly with the rest of the picks, and would personally give the Bomar pick a C or C-. I think he has a lot of potential though, so that could be a B- depending on perspective. I really think the Giants had a great draft. I'd give it an A- or B+ as well. The Beckum pick is what makes it not a solid A for me.

I like Beckum he's just so different from what we usually want out of a TE that it surprised me that we took him over say Shawn Nelson. I'm not really sure how to grade that pick since he could be a major boon if Pope teaches him to block really well and he's able to recovery completely. A C probably makes more sense but I was still on a high from all of the other picks I loved that I didn't mind taking a gamble on a very good receiving option at TE. Plus Reese was raving about him so I feel like we have a very good plan for how to make the most of his abilities.

SeanTaylorRIP
04-27-2009, 02:39 PM
I have the Skins at about a C. Orakpo was one of the biggest steals, love Barnes, love Marko, the rest of our draft was senseless trash.

CC.SD
04-27-2009, 03:08 PM
Other than English and a few others, We're going to have a beast ass practice squad so with that A++

I think Vasquez easily beats out Forney for RG. Heck at 6'5 330 with bull strength I wouldn't even be surprised if he beats out Clary at RT. and I like that Vaughn will get thrown into the Cesaire/Binghom rotation, excellent developmental spot while still possibly making an impact.

The English pick is slightly off the wall, especially with Oher on the board, but with the way our secondary got picked apart like little girls last year, I can't say I'm complaining about more pass rush.

RealityCheck
04-27-2009, 03:14 PM
2a) Patrick Chung = B+
2b) Ron Brace = B-
2c) Darius Butler = A-
2d) Sebastian Vollmer = C+
3a) Brandon Tate = B+
3b) Tyrone McKenzie = B-
4) Rich Ohrnberger = D+
5) George Bussey = D+
6a) Jake Ingram = F
6b) Myron Pryor = B+
7a) Julian Edelman = C-
7b) Darryl Richard = B-

OVERALL: B+

OzTitan
04-27-2009, 05:52 PM
I love the Titans draft for the simple fact it is so under the radar. When the Titans aren't picking RB's on the 1st day I guess there's not much people can grill them over :P

bearsfan_51
04-27-2009, 06:24 PM
I just dont get why people are hating on the Bengals soo much.

Smith when you watch game footage is the best Tackle of the lot period. Okay he is a little tubby and not chissled. Okay he made a few mistakes. Not like he killed a guy or something Jesus !

the only risk was Scott imo and he was a 6th round comp pick !

get a grip.

We had a great draft A Grade for me :)

Was this even an attempt at an argument?

Abaddon
04-27-2009, 09:59 PM
Is there such a thing as an F-?

BeerBaron
04-27-2009, 10:01 PM
2a) Patrick Chung = B+
2b) Ron Brace = B-
2c) Darius Butler = A-
2d) Sebastian Vollmer = C+
3a) Brandon Tate = B+
3b) Tyrone McKenzie = B-
4) Rich Ohrnberger = D+
5) George Bussey = D+
6a) Jake Ingram = F
6b) Myron Pryor = B+
7a) Julian Edelman = C-
7b) Darryl Richard = B-

OVERALL: B+

When Ingram is your long snapper for the next decade and a half I'll find you and laugh.

7-11
04-28-2009, 12:18 AM
Round 2 - DT Fili Moala
B+

This is the highest I remember Polian taking a DT as the GM of the Colts. I am concerned about the way he has underachieved given his physical tools, but if he gets his head on straight he could be the DT we've needed for years. A strong, disruptive DT that can penetrate the backfield AND does well against the run would be a Godsend. I am not sure he will do both of those things consistently so it's not an A, but it's close.



Reading this gave me Larry Tripplet chills, lets hope im very wrong

yodabear
04-28-2009, 12:49 AM
Day 1 could only have gone better if a 1st round calliber WR woulda fell to the 2nd for us, but that did not happen. So we picked Laranitus in the second, which I thought was awesome, even though he was a Buckeye. And with Smith, I still have hope and faith in Bulger, so everyone saying we shoulda went with Mark Sanchez, SHUT THE **** UP! So day 1, I give us an A-.

Day 2 was awful for us. We got a nickel corner, a DT whose best strength sounds like tackling dudes downfield cuz he got speed (WOO?) Then a QB who will never take a snap for us, went to Western A&M or something when there were much better ones to be taking. Like IDK, hometown man Chase Daniel!!!! A RB where we shoulda took someone else there too. Terrible. Fell off the face of the Earth. Give us a C for week 2.

Overall: B-

Yatta!
04-28-2009, 07:40 AM
Packers Draft Review

Round 1, #9 (9) - B.J. Raji, NT, Boston College
Raji seemed like an obvious pick at #9 and TT seemed to think the same. Elite nose tackles do not come around very often and yet they are crucial to the 3-4. Raji is the prototypical run stuffer who can occupy multiple blockers and yet still rush the passer. His early development will be extremely important to our season as previously 3-4 defenses in their first season have performed poorly because they didn't have a nose tackle. Management seems to have already confirmed that he will start right away and hopefully he will stay there for over a decade. With a top ten pick you have to take the best player on the board and in Raji the Packers definitely got that.
Grade: A+

Round 1, #26(26) - Clay Matthews, OLB, USC
First thing first, I thought we gave up too much in the trade but our later selections meant that did not cause any problems. In any case, for TT to overpay for a guy he must really like him. It's obvious to see why with Matthews, who seemed to be a legit Top-15 selection. He will have little trouble adapting to playing outside linebacker in the 3-4 and should be a nice compliment to Kampman. I had Everette Brown rated above him but Matthews is probably a better fit in Green Bay. He is a high motor guy and a hard worker and I think he could easily win the camp battle to start from the beginning. There are still question marks about him and I don't see him covering tight ends like others do but he will soon be starting and should be a mainstay of our defense.
Grade: B+

Round 4, #9(109) - TJ Lang, OT, Eastern Michigan
At the start of Day 2, Lang was top of my big board so I was thrilled when he fell to the top of Round 4. At 109th overall, Lang was great value and his selection meant that all of our major needs were addressed early. Lang was a late riser on many draft boards, mine included, but he has the ability to start in the league for a long time. He looks set to battle Breno Giacomini to start at right tackle from the opening day and could lock up the position for the foreseeable future. I question his ability to man the blindside at the next level, but if he develop into anything similar to Mark Tauscher then it will be a fantastic pick.
Grade: A-

Round 5, #9(145) - Quinn Johnson, FB, Louisiana State
I was happy with John Kuhn and Korey Hall at full back and didn't consider it a position of need. I did think that a blocking tight end would be brought in though so the pick was not totally out of the blue. However, Johnson was my number 1 fullback prospect and could easily emerge as the opening day starter. He is a true lead blocking fullback who should start in the league for a long time and should have a nice effect on our running game.
Grade: B-

Round 5, #26(162) - Jamon Meredith, OT, South Carolina
This is another pick that I love, Meredith sat at #2 on my Day Two want-list behind only Lang. Meredith is fantastic value at this point, but obviously he fell for a reason. Still he has all the tools, great versatility and fits the scheme well. I think he is an upgrade over Tony Moll and should be a valuable backup all along the line from Day one. If all goes to plan, he could easily find himself starting in the near future and could even be Chad Clifton's successor.
Grade: A

Round 6, #9(182) - Jarius Wynn, DE, Georgia
Unlike a lot of guys on the roster, Wynn has a skillset that is a good fit at end in the new defensive scheme. He'll need to add some weight before he sees the field and may not have a huge ceiling but he is a great run defender. He may never profile to be anything more than a career backup but he could become a valuable member of the rotation if he can bulk up and hold his own during camp.
Grade: B-

Round 6, #14(187) - Brandon Underwood, CB, Cincinnati
Corner was not a big a need as many people thought so this was probably a reasonable place to look to the position and Underwood represents good value. He possesses the physical aspect that the Packers look for in a corner and really came on as a senior, putting his past issues behind him. Still he'll face a battle for a roster spot, especially with the management's inexplicable love for Jarrett Bush. Overall, a corner was always going to be taken at some point and Underwood looks like a Green Bay corner who could develop into a solid contributor.
Grade: B-

Round 7, #9(218) - Brad Jones, OLB, Colorado
To be honest I hadn't heard of him and didn't have him ranked so that is not a good sign. Still after a bit of research he seems to have a nice set of skills to work with and a knack for getting after the quarterback. He'll probably be stashed on the practice squad for this year at least but if he develops well, he could have a role to play in the future. Seems like as good a prospect as any to take a late flyer on and of course you can never have too many pass rushers.
Grade: C

Overall
TT managed to address our three greatest needs with our early picks and then had a free reign somewhat to select guys who were near the top of his draft board. Still he also managed to bring in guys like Wynn and Underwood at other positions of need. Perhaps if we had kept the extra picks, we could have added a tight end, running back and a punter as well but they were minor needs to be honest. It was much more important to get elite prospects at positions of need and we did that. This is all the more impressive when you consider that almost all of our selections represented good value.

To my mind, it's possible that Raji, Matthews, Lang and Johnson start straight away with Raji and Matthews almost being nailed on. Furthermore the two first rounders look like they will be stars in the NFL and Raji could absolutely dominate his position. Add in some solid depth, developmental guys like Meredith, Underwood and Wynn and the draft surpassed all of my expectations.

This is easily my favourite Packers draft since I have being following football seriously (since 2005) and I can't fault TT at all.

Grade: A-



Posted that in the Packers draft review thread, similar sentiments to a lot of guys but read the thread there is a lot of long analysis about our draft and our roster in general.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1633160#post1633160

ElectricEye
04-28-2009, 09:00 AM
Attempt to grade the Patriots draft;

Round 2, #34 Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon
I really liked this pick. I'm not sure I liked it with the other guys on the board at this point. Put a bit of a bad taste in my mouth passing on Maualuga, Barwin, and Everette Brown, but whatever. I'm quite happy that we landed Chung. He'll bring more of the athleticism and youth into the secondary that we've been concerned with adding for the past few years. Perfect candidate the replace Rodney Harrison and he has a real good chance to start right away over James Sanders.

B

Round 2, #40 Ron Brace, NT, Boston College

This one I didn't like so much at first. Brace doesn't make much sense to me with quality pass rushing outside linebackers still on the board. Not much sense at all. This pick is especially frustrating given the fact that there was a run on outside linebackers after this pick and we missed out on every single one of them. With that being said, Brace helps us a ton. Brace will really help bring out the best in Wilfork, keeping him fresh. Also instantly makes our goaline defense all that much tougher. I wouldn't call it a good pick, but it certainly has it's uses.

C

Round 2, #41 Darius Butler, CB, Connecticut
The thing we're hearing the most is that nobody would have said anything about us taking him at 23. That makes it all the better we landed him at 41. This was Belichick's guy from the very start of everything. Apparently the extent that it made Ellis Hobbs expendable. I'm very excited to see what this guy can do for us and hopefully he'll end up establishing himself in our young secondary.

B+

Round 2, #58 Sebastian Vollmer, OT, Houston
This is the pick that most people have a problem with. I sort of have issue with the fact we could have had Jarron Gilbert here and that would have been a much better pick, but I'm extremely excited about Vollmer. I've been a huge supporter of his all throughout this process and I honestly do think he is a second round talent. He's very raw, but not quite as raw and people are making him out to be. I could see him playing quite a bit for us on the right side of the line this year. Sort of hurts we could have had him in the 5th round if we played our cards right, but I've always thought there was something there with Vollmer and our coaching staff has a pretty good track record with perceived reaches, so I feel very good about this pick.

B-

Round 3, #83 Brandon Tate, WR, North Carolina
Absolute steal at this point if he's healthy. I'm not worried about the drug test. The injury concerns me, but hot damn if he can get healthy and return to the way he was playing at the start of last year you have to be excited. Gives us an explosive kick returner and another deep threat, probably from the slot, on offense. He could really help bring our offense back to the level when it was Stallworth/Moss/Welker instead of just Moss/Welker. Best pick we made this draft.

A+

Round 3, #97 Tyrone McKenzie, ILB, South Florida
A bit of a head scratcher. Not really a fan of drafting a linebacker who has problems getting off blocks to play in a system where he'll be asked to do that on a fairly routine basis. I suppose that'll be hidden a bit playing behind Wilfork/Brace and playing on the inside, but still. We have our all around linebacker. We needed more of a mauler. I don't think McKenzie is that type of guy, but I suppose it's nice to have a guy that could potentially play alongside Mayo for three downs. I would have personally wanted Victor Butler is this spot, but this pick isn't bad and it's probably a better value than it initially seems.

C+

Round 4, #123 Rich Ohrnberger, OG, Penn State
...Over Duke Robinson? I suppose he doesn't fit our scheme as well, but this was a bit shocking all around given the fact we basically traded Ellis Hobbs to get him. He wasn't on my radar at all, especially at this point. I didn't pay much attention to the Penn State offensive line when I was watching their games this year, but from what I've seen of him he looked pretty good at the college level. Looks like he could be the type of guy that gets pushed around a bit in the NFL though. We'll see I guess, but you have to factor in trading Ellis Hobbs into this grade.

D

Round 5, #170 George Bussey, OG, Louisville
This one is a bit out of left field again. Didn't see him even ranked on a lot of sites. Still, I like this pick. He started at tackle for Louisville but doesn't have the physical profile to play that position in the NFL. At 6'3 306 pounds, he project pretty well to playing guard. He moves pretty well in space and gave up very few sacks for Louisville team that liked to chuck it, so you know he can pass block. He might not have the easiest time in the world playing bigger, powerful defensive tackle in the run game, but I still like this pick. A lot more than the last one we made.

C-

Round 6, #198 Jake Ingram, LS, Hawaii
You don't get to land the top player at his position at the end of the 7th round that often....unless you're talking about a long snapper. Really can't knock this pick that much. Any talent left at this spot in the draft probably has more than a few question marks so why not burn a pick to fill a need for sure? He'll be pretty good for us for a long time so I can't really say much against this.

C-

Round 6, #207 Myron Pryor, DT, Kentucky
Pretty good bang for the beef here. There's some major things to like about him with his size/quickness combination. Has a chance of making a team somewhere. Probably will be a practice squad player.

C

Round 7, #232 Julian Edelman, WR, Kent State
I'm really intrigued by this guy. He put up big time rushing numbers at Kent State. He ran a 4.5 at his pro day so the speed is there along with some pretty good moves. He's more than capable of playing in the Wildcat if we do chose to run it like everybody else in the world is planning to do. Probably a practice squad guy, but he has some things to work with.

C+

Round 7, #234 Daryl Richard, DT, Georgia Tech
I've seen this guy play a lot along with Vance Walker. I like his former team mate better, but Richard is a nice guy to get in the seventh round. Real smart kid with solid intangibles. Might have a shot of making a roster one day.

B

Overall, I wasn't really floored by this class. I'm disappointed to see us pass on a pass rushing outside linebacker, especially given the depth that position had this year. It wasn't a bad class by any means...but it just wasn't an exciting one. Suppose we can't complain though. As always, we'll have more starters than we initially expect from this class and a few of them have a chance to be very good for us.

rockio42
04-28-2009, 09:51 AM
Day 1 could only have gone better if a 1st round calliber WR woulda fell to the 2nd for us, but that did not happen. So we picked Laranitus in the second, which I thought was awesome, even though he was a Buckeye. And with Smith, I still have hope and faith in Bulger, so everyone saying we shoulda went with Mark Sanchez, SHUT THE **** UP! So day 1, I give us an A-.

Day 2 was awful for us. We got a nickel corner, a DT whose best strength sounds like tackling dudes downfield cuz he got speed (WOO?) Then a QB who will never take a snap for us, went to Western A&M or something when there were much better ones to be taking. Like IDK, hometown man Chase Daniel!!!! A RB where we shoulda took someone else there too. Terrible. Fell off the face of the Earth. Give us a C for week 2.

Overall: B-

Well, Chase is from Texas but I understand and still love you yodachu...and I personally didn't hate RB but I would've liked a bigger guy like Rashad Jennings over Ogbannya(?)

Hines
04-28-2009, 10:08 AM
I give the Steelers a solid B. Later today, I will have up my full team grades with best pick, worst pick, and sleeper pick. Should be up in abou 3 hours.

twizbuck
04-28-2009, 11:35 AM
Bengals draft:

1.) Andre Smith, OT, Alabama = A-. Smith has character concerns, even before his debacle with the combine. However, as a RT in the league he'll be dominant. Looks so strong at times that it's hard to believe that's flab under those pads. Can move well enough to handle just about any type of rush. However, he's a boom or bust type of LT. As long as we keep him on the right side he'll thrive. We passed on the second best OT though after the best one went to St. Louis, so that's a bit disappointing. But play him at RT and he'll do well.

2.) Rey Maualuga, ILB, Southern Cal = A-. The value here is insane. Maualuga fell right into our laps. A fierce, intimidating, crushing MLB project pick. Yes, he is a project pick, because right now he's a 2-down LB. Hopefully we'll see Lewis, Zimmer, Fitz and Dhani put in a lot of time with him to develop his instincts, play recognition and coverage skills. Boom or bust type of player, hence the minus. Very concerned he won't pan out, but the rule of thumb is three years... so we'll see. Cut back on the dancing with reporters too, that should help.

3.) Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech = B+. We love our boom or bust players in this draft. Another high value, high risk/high reward type of player. Johnson's motor is questionable, and he struggled stopping the run. But as a pass rusher he's outstanding. What we need to find out is if he's willing to work hard every play and if he wants to become an every down DE. He's a freak in size and athleticism, we really need to work on his mental makeup though.

3b.) Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri = A. Great pick, and our first non-boom or bust type of prospect. Coffman did real well as a receiver at Missouri, and is a solid blocker. An immense value pick, too. Did we need to go TE this early? I don't think so. But he'll be great competition for Utecht, and under Kelly he should become a better blocker, not to say he was poor in college, but it wouldn't hurt to improve. Such a steal, before his injury he was a 2nd round, even 1st round prospect. Really like this pick from a solely looking at Coffman standpoint.

4.) Jonathon Luigs, C, Arkansas = A-. The value and need both line up really well here. The question with Luigs is can he handle the big NT's in the AFC North? He's a strong, athletic, intelligent Center, but has been pushed around in the past. He needs to make use of that strength. Here's hoping that Alexander will teach him how. If so, he'll be a great Center for us for years.

5.) Kevin Huber, P, Cincinnati = B+. Yes, we all know we needed a punter. It could've waited, though. Huber's has outstanding leg strength and accuracy, but needs to work on his step count to keep from getting blocked in the NFL. He'll beat out Larson and Plackemeier for sure, though, and help a lot in field position.

6.) Morgan Trent, CB, Michigan = D+. So we needed CB depth pretty badly, and we picked up a guy that I highly doubt even makes the roster, much less the practice squad. Doesn't force turnovers, not aggressive, and while he's impressive physically, he lacks the mental makeup to be anything but a 4th or 5th CB. Won't be able to play nickel. But, it's a D+ because I'm willing to give him a shot. We'll see if he makes something of himself.

6b.) Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian = D-. Talented. Pretty much the only good thing about this pick. An older, trouble making RB who's never shown he has the maturity to work well on a team. From *************.com: "He was kicked off his high school team for being part of a fight off campus, dismissed from Central Arkansas for - among other things - hitting a coach and has had multiple additional run-ins with police." Yeah, no. He'll be the star of Hard Knocks though, as he's being pushed into a cruiser for knocking out Jim Anderson. Guess that's one way to become famous...

7.) Fui Vakapuna, FB, Brigham Young = A. Great pickup. A punishing runner with soft hands and a hard working attitude to boot. Also, he'll be assuring Jeremi "Where all da buffets at?" Johnson doesn't stay on the roster. Probably my favorite pick this draft.

7a.) Clinton McDonald, DL, Memphis = A. Really good value pick this late. Someone I could see being used in the role that Thornton was towards the end of last season. He'll be great depth and can be used as a pass rusher in the middle, or pushed outside to DE at times. Really looking forward to seeing how he does.

7b.) Freddie Brown, WR, Utah = B+ We had to get in a WR, huh? But at this point, it's a great pick. He has very inconsistent hands and lacks speed, but he's an aggressive and aware receiver that will help out the QB in a pinch. I have a feeling he was picked to play in the role so many expected Urrutia to be in. He'll make a real good possession/short yardage guy if we work with his hands.


Best value: Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri As said before, a potential late 1st rounder that falls right to us at the end of the 3rd. Incredible.

Worst value: Bernard Scott, RB, Abilene Christian Most likely wouldn't have been drafted despite his talent thanks to his off the field record. Of course, Mikey loves to be a rehabilitator. The talent doesn't make up for his poor attitude and judgement.

Most likely to surprise us: Clinton McDonald, DL, Memphis We saw how Thornton actually did well near the end of last year, and I can see McDonald thriving in that role.

Most likely to fail us: Morgan Trent, CB, Michigan When the fans at a school are rejoicing at the loss of a player, well, that should say something. Yes, he was picked in the 6th, but even so, with our lack of depth, even a 6th round pick should make the depth chart. I highly doubt he lasts through training camp.


Overall grade:

B+

A draft that exceeded all expectations from any of us. Lots of high risk/high reward players, but to address almost all of our needs with loads of value truly stuns just about any Bengals fan. However, we still have lots of question marks in the backfield. If I had to place odds on what position we'll pick in the first round next year, RB would be at 2:1. But we roll into the start of camp with a lot of talent and potential. Here's hoping they all work out.

49ersfan_87
04-28-2009, 04:59 PM
Im curious as to what grade would people give the 9ers draft?

10- Michael Crabtree, WR
74- Glen Coffee, RB
146- Scott McKillop, ILB
171- Nate Davis
184- Bear Pascoe, TE
219- Curtis Taylor, S
244- Ricky Jean-Francois, 3-4 DE

Notable UDFA's

-Kory Sheets, RB
-Alex Boone, OT

43 and 111 were traded for Carolina's 2010 1st rounder.

I liked the draft. We might only get 3 starters in this class (Crabtree, Coffee to take over for Gore, McKillop as the TED next to Willis) and for the time being, Crabtree will probably be the only starter in the next couple of years. But i like adding solid depth all around. Getting that future 1st next year was the icing on the cake IMO.

fischbowl
04-28-2009, 06:11 PM
BB is right, stop with the Ingram hate, he's the best long snapper to come out since Ryan Pontbriand, and I would kill for the Bills to have Ingram now to replace the **** Ryan Neill.

Also stop with the George Bussey, Blake Schlueter, and Jaimie Thomas hate. Excellent late round picks, IMO

Abaddon
04-28-2009, 09:18 PM
the best long snapper to come out since Ryan Pontbriand

This is the sort of thing you never read, never expect to read, and forget that you read it after you're done snickering.

fischbowl
04-29-2009, 08:51 AM
This is the sort of thing you never read, never expect to read, and forget that you read it after you're done snickering.

Coming out of college, Pontbriand was money. And believe me, I know long snappers

Splat
04-29-2009, 09:01 AM
Kendall Gammon best LS ever...

the decider13
04-29-2009, 10:10 AM
Kendall Gammon best LS ever...

pshhh...Lonnie Paxton is the best ever.

fischbowl
04-29-2009, 10:36 AM
David Binn >>>> them both. Gannon is up there consistently though, great LS

rockio42
04-29-2009, 11:40 AM
Chris Massey has screwed up like 1 snap in his 9 year career...represent bitches

Hines
04-29-2009, 01:15 PM
Here are my full grades for the NFL Draft. They probably suck, but they are my opinion.



Arizona Cardinals: B

Very solid draft as they addressed their most glaring needs, OLB and RB. Beanie Wells will make that explosive offense even better. Cody Brown could contend for a starting job, and Canfield and Johnson could be future starters along the offensive line. Toler could be the next DRC, although he is making a huge competition jump.

Best pick: Beanie Wells- Brings a solid back to take the pressure off the pass.

Worst pick: Rashad Johnson- I like Johnson a lot, but with Rolle and Wilson as the safeties, where will he fit?

Sleeper pick: Trevor Canfield- Toler could be a sleeper pick, but I believe Canfield could be the sleeper of this draft.


Atlanta Falcons: B-

A solid draft, but not really a sexy draft. Their biggest move was acquiring Tony Gonzalez from KC. He would give Ryan a legit option as a tight end and can get pressure off of Turner and White. Peria Jerry is a nice pick and shores up their defense. William Moore was a first rounder after his Junior year, but slipped due to lack of production. They got two projects at corner who could pan out, but I am not expecting much.

Best pick: Peria Jerry- Will shore up the middle of that defense and provide some pass rush.

Worst pick: Christopher Owens- With other corners on the board, they chose a guy who will be a dime corner.

Sleeper pick: Garrett Reynolds- An aggressive run blocker, he could develop into a starter down the road.

Baltimore Ravens: A

A very solid draft. They get a steal in Michael Oher, who could be the best tackle in the draft when it’s all said and done. Paul Kruger provides depth at both linebacker and defensive end, but will need to bulk up if he wants to play end. Webb could play both corner and safety and I could see him starting.

Best pick: Michael Oher- Will be the opening day RT. Inconsistent, but if the light turns on, he could be an All Pro.

Worst pick: Devon Drew- This was a tough one to chose, but I don’t see Drew making the roster.

Sleeper pick: Jason Phillips- A player I wanted on the Steelers. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is the heir apparent to Ray Lewis.

Buffalo Bills: B-

They got a few starters in this draft. I like the draft. Maybin, Nelson, Wood, and Levitre will be opening day starters for the Bills.

Best pick: Shawn Nelson- In the fourth round, they landed a guy who was suppose to go in the second. A steal for the Bills.

Worst pick: Nic Harris- Too slow for safety and I don’t think he would fit in well at linebacker.

Sleeper pick: Andy Levitre- I don’t think he is too much of a sleeper, but I think he will be the best lineman that they drafted and could be a very solid guard for them.

Carolina Panthers: B+

Got quite a few steals in Brown and Robinson. Brown could be the heir apparent for the disgruntled Julius Peppers. Duke Robinson could prove to be a very good pick when he was once considered a first round pick.

Best pick: Everette Brown- A steal IMO. Once considered a top 10 draft pick and they got him in the mid second.

Worst pick: Mike Goodson- I really like him, but if they aren’t going to move him to WR and have him return, I think he wont even touch the field.

Sleeper pick- Tony Fiametta- The best FB in the draft. I think he will be the starter at the start of the season and could be a La’Ron McClain type of player.


Chicago Bears: B

Despite not having a first day pick, they had a solid draft. The acquisition of Cutler gives them a franchise quarterback that they have lacked for the past few years. Gilbert, although raw, could contribute right away in passing downs and could start down the road. Iglesias could contend for some playing time, Moore is a solid returner and has good ball skills, but small. I think Henry Melton is underrated and could fight for a starting job soon. Marcus Freeman is a steal and could end up starting in the next few years.

Best pick: Marcus Freeman- I personally believe he is a little better than Laurinatis. I think he starts soon.

Worst pick: Al Afalava- Although he would provide good depth and special teams ability, I don’t think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Derek Kinder- I really am high on Kinder. I was mad when the Bears selected him because I wanted him as a UDFA for the Steelers. I think he could be a solid receiver for the Bears.


Cincinnati Bengals: A

The Bengals have finally put together a successful draft. They have potentially 5 starters in this class. Maualuga was a steal for them on the top of the second round.

Best pick: Chase Coffman: I think he would’ve been the second tight end tight end taken if he wasn’t hurt in the draft process. I think he will provide a very solid offense in Cincinnati.

Worst pick: Bernard Scott: Yes he is extremely talented and could play a nice role on the team, but for a team who wants to clean up the locker room, they got a guy who has been in trouble a lot and has been kicked off a lot of teams. I don’t see him in the NFL long.

Sleeper pick: Michael Johnson- I don’t know if you would consider it a sleeper pick, but if he ever lives up to that potential, the Bengals have a very, very, very solid player.

Cleveland Browns: C-

The Browns traded the fifth overall pick for Alex Mack, David Veikune, and three players who won’t do much for the Browns. They should’ve stayed at 5 and selected Crabtree. Mack will be a very good player, but I don’t think he will make the type of impact Crabtree could’ve had. I am very high on Don Carey and I believe he will be a helluva player in the league.

Best pick: Brian Robiskie- I believe he will be a very good receiver for the Browns. Will probably start Week 1.

Worst pick: David Veikune- I just think he is a workout warrior and will not pan out in the NFL.

Sleeper pick: James Davis- Ran slower than expected, but I think the talent is still there. I think he could be a starter for Cleveland down the line.


Dallas Cowboys: D

This draft was a head scratcher to me. They had 12 picks, but manage to get no one really exciting. I think Jason Williams will end up starting, but other than that, I am not too thrilled with this draft. Mike Mickens could be a starter for the Boys as well. I don’t see a lot of kids from this class making the team.

Best pick: Jason Williams- I think he is Lawrence Timmons like, very athletic and explosive. I think he will be a starter in the coming years.

Worst pick- David Buehler- They have Nick Folk who is capable of being All Pro and select a kicker? Puzzles me.

Sleeper pick: Mike Mickens- I think he has the tools to start in this league and was a steal in the seventh for the Cowboys.


Denver Broncos: C+

An average draft. I think Knowshon will be a stud in that system, Smith will be the opening day starter next to Champ, and Ayers will provide a good pass rusher for them on the line or as a linebacker.

Best pick: Knowshon Moreno: Although it puzzled me at first, it makes sense because it gives the Broncos a workhorse back who could do damage in that system.

Worst pick: Richard Quinn: I like Quinn, but I do not see him as a second round talent. They already have two tight ends on the roster and they chose another one. Head scratcher.

Sleeper pick: David Bruton- I am a huge fan of his. He is learning behind one of the best FS’s in the league Brian Dawkins and could be a starter when it’s all said and done.


Detroit Lions: C+

I like their draft for the most part. Passing on Oher for Pettigrew might haunt them in the end, but I guess they feel confident in Pettigrew and Jeff Backus. Stafford won’t get pressed into starter duty early with Culpepper being there. Delmas was a solid pick and will be the starting FS.

Best pick: Matthew Stafford- Obviously the best choice for them. I personally would have went for Jason Smith, but the Lions got their franchise quarterback.

Worst pick: Dan Gronkowski- They already drafted a tight end, do they really need another one?

Sleeper pick: Derrick Williams- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am being a Penn State homer, but I think he will be a better pro than college player. Could be the slot guy and be the returner.

Green Bay Packers: B

I like the Raji and Mathews picks as they are transitioning to a 34 defense. Lang and Meredith could contend for starting jobs on the offensive line and Quinn Johnson could be a great lead blocker for Ryan Grant.

Best pick: BJ Raji- I think he will make a very instant impact on that defense.

Worst pick: Jarius Wynn- I don’t know how he would fit in a 34 defense as he is too small for DE and possibly too big and slow for OLB.

Sleeper pick: Brandon Underwood- Provides great depth behind Al Harris and Charles Woodson. Could be the heir apparent to one of them.


Houston Texans: B

I like their draft. Early in the draft, they approached defense and got two potential starters in Brian Cushing and Connor Barwin. Caldwell could start at center, while Casey could be a solid pass catcher in the system.

Best pick: Brian Cushing- He fits their need a linebacker very well and him and Ryans could be a real good duo.

Worst pick: Troy Nolan- Yes he is a seventh round pick and most teams don’t really bank on them being stars, but I think they could’ve gotten a WR with this pick, or gotten a running back to split carries with Steve Slaton. He reminds me of Josh Barrett from last year.

Sleeper pick: Glover Quinn- I think he could be a very solid safety for the Texans. He is very physical and has good ball skills.


Indianapolis Colts: B

I like their draft. They addressed their defensive need at DT and got a good compliment to Addai in Donald Brown. Austin Collie, IMO, can fight for a starting job right away.

Best pick: Fila Moala- I think he will step in right away and start and help the woeful run defense that the Colts had last season.

Worst pick: Terrance Taylor- I like Taylor and think he will start, but I don’t think he fits in the defensive system the Colts run.

Sleeper pick: Austin Collie- Like I said before, I think he can contend for a starting job and at worst, be the slot guy.

Jacksonville Jaguars: C+

I like the first two picks as Monroe and Britton can help the left side of the line right away. Mike Thomas and Jarrett Dillard provide good depth at wide receiver. Thomas will probably be the return specialist right away. What made the grade go down are the two reaches in the third round, Terrance Knighton and Derek Cox. I think Jennings could be a good compliment to MJD in the long run.

Best pick: Eugene Monroe- Great pick for them. I believe he was the best tackle in the draft and he could develop into something special.

Worst pick: Terrance Knighton and Derek Cox- They could be very solid players for many years to come, but I do not get why they reached for these two. The Jags have had success finding small school corners, but for the time being, I think it was a bad move.

Sleeper pick: Jarrett Dillard- I believe he is very underrated and could be Holt’s heir apparent when Holt leaves. Dillard is very much like Holt IMO.


Kansas City Chiefs: C+

Not really a wow draft or a very bad one, but it could be a lot better. I am not so sure passing up Curry was the best way to go. Sure Jackson could be a good player, but is he really a top 3 player in the draft? I don’t think so. I really like Magee and I think Washington has great potential.

Best pick: Alex Magee- Although rather small to play 34 DE, I like his potential and his motor.

Worst pick: Tyson Jackson- I like Jackson, but I do not think he was the right choice at 3 IMO.

Sleeper pick: Quinten Lawrence- This dude is fast. He averaged 19.2 ypc in college. I don’t care what level it is at, that is very good. Could help in the return game as well.


Miami Dolphins: C+

Unless they aren’t that high on Henne, I don’t know why they would chose White unless he is moving to WR. I am not very high on Patrick Turner and think he could’ve been had later in the draft. Davis and Smith could help that secondary out a lot and I like Gardner and think he could come in and play as a back up.

Best pick: Vontae Davis- The most physically gifted player in the draft IMO. If he doesn’t turn out like his brother, the Dolphins have a really good player.

Worst pick: Pat White- I still don’t know why they would chose a “Wildcat” quarterback. He could move to wide receiver but I don’t think he wants to play that.

Sleeper pick: Brian Hartline- I think he could develop into a nice possession receiver for the Dolphins.


Minnesota Vikings: B

I like Harvin, Loadholt, and Allen. Brinkley could contend for playing time and end up starting when EJ Henderson leaves.

Best pick: Phil Loadholt- Finally the Ryan Cook era ends.

Worst pick: Jamarca Stanford- He isn’t that big or fast, and I don’t think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Jasper Brinkley- I like this kid a lot. A thumper of every sense of the word. Could be a key contributor later in his career.


New England Patriots: B

What gives them a B is getting extra high picks for next year. Why on earth would teams trade with them? To this year’s draft, I like Darius Butler, Ron Brace, and Myron Pryor. Butler could end up being a starter, Brace will spill Wilfork, and I think Tate will be a solid receiver and return man. Solid draft.

Best pick: Darius Butler- My favorite corner in the draft. He is very explosive and athletic. I think Billicheck will have fun coaching this guy up.

Worst pick: Sebastian Vollmer- I don’t doubt Bellicheck, but this pick puzzles me on how high he went. Could end up being the RT of the near future.

Sleeper pick: Jake Ingram- Yay a long snapper!


New Orleans Saints: C

They concentrated on defense a lot in this draft. Jenkins, Vaughn, and Arnoux could end up being solid players for the Saints.

Best pick: Malcolm Jenkins- Can play both safety and corner. Perfect C2 corner. The best corner in the draft.

Worst pick: Not picking a RB- They needed a running back for Bush and/or Pierre Thomas. They failed to grab one.

Sleeper pick: Chip Vaughn- I like his mentality. He can hit very hard and could be a very good in the box safety for the Saints.


New York Giants: A

They simply got playmakers for Eli in this draft. One of my favorite drafts. Nicks, Barden, Beckum, and Beatty all could be starters soon.

Best pick: Hakeem Nicks- Very solid receiver who is physical. Could be the most ideal replacement for Plex.

Worst pick: There aren’t many picks in this draft I do not like, but I will say Stoney Woodson.

Sleeper pick: Andre Brown- Wow, him and Jacobs carrying the ball will really wear down defenses. Then a fast guy like Bradshaw coming in and outrunning that tired defense. Real solid pick for the Giants.


New York Jets: B+

They got their franchise quarterback in Mark Sanchez and didn’t give up that much value for him. Shonn Green could be a nice replacement for Thomas Jones. It will hard to pick a player for this team since they only had three picks.

Best pick: Mark Sanchez- Franchise quarterback.

Worst pick: Matt Slauson- I know nothing about him.

Sleeper pick: Shonn Greene- He is damn good.


Oakland Raiders: D

Why on earth would you pass on Michael Crabtree when he is on the board? I like DHB more than Jeremy Maclin, but that is no excuse to choseDHB over Crabtree. I also don’t like the Michael Mitchell pick. They could’ve picked him up later. I liked some of the second day picks, though.

Best pick: Louis Murphy- I like the kid’s potential. He was overshadowed a lot, but could turn out to be the better of the WRs that overshadowed him.

Worst pick: Michael Mitchell- Only the Raiders would reach this high for a player they like.

Sleeper pick: Stryker Sulak- Could be a very underrated pass rusher in the Raiders scheme. I like this pick.


Philadelphia Eagles: A

Quite possibly my favorite draft this year. Got two steals in Maclin and McCoy and got depth along the way. I believe Macho Harris could be the FS of the future for the Eagles, Ingram will be the tight end, and Brandon Gibson will be a player for the Eagles.

Best Pick: Jeremy Maclin- No one thought he would be there. When he was, the Eagles had to snatch him up to give McNabb more weapons.

Worst pick: Paul Fanaika- I watched him through college and he isn’t very good. I don’t know why he got drafted and will get cut in training camp due to being not that strong and always on the ground.

Sleeper pick: Macho Harris- I personally believe he is going to be a beast in the Eagles’ defensive scheme. He might be too slow for corner, but I think his ball skills and hitting ability can make him a stud FS.


Pittsburgh Steelers: B

A very solid, but not a sexy draft like years past. Hood will bring a very athletic presence to the Steelers aging defensive line. Urbik, IMO, will be the starter at RG on the first week of the season. Wallace and Burnett will man the return duties. Lewis could play both corner and safety and I am excited about Frank Summers.

Best pick: Kraig Urbik- We needed to get better along the offensive line and he might be the piece we needed. He will pave holes for Parker and Mendenhall and will try and help keep Ben upright. The best rookie to contribute early.

Worst pick: Ra’Shon “Sonny” Harris- I believe there were better players available than him, so I doubt he makes the team.

Sleeper pick: AQ Shipley- My Penn State homerism comes back, but I think he has a legit shot at starting in this league. You can’t measure and take away his heart, and he has a lot of it.


San Diego Chargers: C

Outside of English, I am not a fan of this draft. They needed defensive line help, along with running back, and seemed not to focus on that area.

Best pick: Larry English- Will be the passrusher that the Chargers lacked last season. Could make Phillips expendable.

Worst pick: Kevin Ellison: He is too slow for safety, and too small for linebacker in a 34. What he does have going for him is his hitting ability.

Sleeper pick: Gartrell Johnson- I am a fan of his. He runs very, very hard. He could be a good change of pace back in San Diego.


San Francisco 49ers: C+

The draft is solid because of Crabtree, but I am not a huge fan of it. Crabtree will team with Morgan for a solid receiving duo, Coffee will be a nice back with Gore, and McKillop could start, but what the Niners didn’t do is get an offensive lineman that they needed.

Best pick: Michael Crabtree- Who knew he would be on the board at 10? I didn’t. He is going to be a huge player for the Niners and could potentially be the rookie of the year.

Worst pick: Ricky Jean-Francois- Should’ve stayed in school for another season. Very raw and I don’t think fits in a 34 defense.

Sleeper pick: Nate Davis- I really think he could start in the league, especially for a team like the Niners.


Seattle Seahawks: B

Getting Curry, Unger, and a first rounder next year is a great draft IMO. Butler and Greene could develop into solid players for the Seahawks down the road.

Best pick: Aaron Curry- Could be what Julian Peterson could be. I really think he will be the leader of the defense soon.

Worst pick: Cameron Morrah- He isn’t a great blocker and only a receiver. I don’t think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Mike Teel- I believe with his strong arm and smarts he can be the starter when Hasselbeck leaves.


St. Louis Rams: B

They have three starters from day 1 during the draft in Smith, Laurinaitis, and Fletcher. Scott could start down the road and Null seems to be a developmental guy.

Best pick: Jason Smith- They have their new Orlando Pace.

Worst pick: Chris Ogbonnaya- I am not as high on him as others.

Sleeper pick: Brooks Foster- I think he has potential to start for the Rams down the road.


Tampa Bay Bucs: C+

Freeman was a nice pick for them, Miller and Moore could start sooner than later, and I love Stroughter.

Best pick: Josh Freeman- They didn’t have a franchise quarterback on their roster. He will need some time to develop but his cannon and potential is intriguing.

Worst pick: E.J. Biggers- He isn’t very fast or big. I don’t think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Xavier Fulton- I think he could be a very solid swing tackle and spot starter for the Bucs.


Tennessee Titans: B-

Britt finally gives the Titans a number one receiver. Marks could help fill in the void left of Haynesworth. Cook could be the starter once Scaife leaves. I think McRath could be a starter in the league.

Best pick: Kenny Britt- Finally the Titans land a number 1 receiver. He will be a huge help to the dynamic running game for the Titans.

Worst pick: Javon Ringer: I think he has too much wear and tear on his body. He isn’t big or fast and the Titans have a lot of backs on the roster already.

Sleeper pick: Jason McCourty- He could be a solid player or starter for the Titans. Fisher loves these type of corners who are fast and have great cover skills.


Washington Redskins: B

I am a pretty big fan of Orakpo, but he might be the Vernon Gholston of this class. Barnes would’ve been a high first day pick if he wasn’t injured, but I believe he will start. Marko Mitchell is a developmental prospect and I think he could get some passes thrown at him this season.

Best pick: Brian Orakpo: Fills a need and could thrive being next to Haynesworth.

Worst pick: Eddie Williams: I do not think he is better than Sellers or Cooley. Cut in training camp IMO.

Sleeper pick: Marko Mitchell: Although early, Kelly and Thomas haven’t shown much. I think he could come in and compete for a roster spot and do well in Washington.

the decider13
04-29-2009, 04:51 PM
HinesWardJr.

I like your words on the Broncos...it's refreshing that someone actually sat and thought about it instead of just spouting off how Denver had a horrible draft. And I agree with you.

But I normally give Denver the B- just to make myself feel better :P Awesome write up overall though.

quincyyyyy
04-29-2009, 08:14 PM
Can I grade your grammar? It's "did your team do WELL." You fail.

LizardState
04-30-2009, 07:53 PM
San Francisco 49ers: C+

The draft is solid because of Crabtree, but I am not a huge fan of it. Crabtree will team with Morgan for a solid receiving duo, Coffee will be a nice back with Gore, and McKillop could start, but what the Niners didn’t do is get an offensive lineman that they needed.

Best pick: Michael Crabtree- Who knew he would be on the board at 10? I didn’t. He is going to be a huge player for the Niners and could potentially be the rookie of the year.

Worst pick: Ricky Jean-Francois- Should’ve stayed in school for another season. Very raw and I don’t think fits in a 34 defense.

Sleeper pick: Nate Davis- I really think he could start in the league, especially for a team like the Niners.

Doesn't trading with Carolina that will give them the Panthers 1st rounder next yr elevate that to at least a B- ?

Shane P. Hallam
04-30-2009, 10:44 PM
Just a precursor, every team added talent, so I won’t really give a team an F, no one can fail the draft at this point. So take that for what it is worth.

Arizona – A (Picked up value with almost every pick, added talent where they needed it as well.)

1 (31) Chris Wells, rb, Ohio State. – Could be a big steal at 31. Wells have the highest upside of any back in the draft, and the fit is very nice. If he is spelled correctly by Hightower, Wells could be a major force in the NFL. Great pick.

2 (63) Cody Brown, lb, Connecticut – About the right value, Cody Brown was a very productive undersized DE in college who will move to OLB in the Cards system. He has some good pass rushing ability and should replace Okeafor down the line. Solid pick.

3 (95) Rashad Johnson, db, Alabama. – Great value as a free range safety to rotate with Antrel Rolle. He definitely gives them some insurance at the FS position, and down the line may even play the SS for the Cards when Adrian Wilson is done. Excellent pick.

4 (131) Gregory Toler, db, St. Paul’s, Va. – DRC #2. Toler was rising up draft boards late because he has good speed, and a rare blend of physical tools. Obviously extremely raw, but he can be developed and could eventually turn into a shut down corner if all goes according to plan. Solid pick.

5 (167) Herman Johnson, g, LSU. – Grimm gets a big big man to play RG or RT. Johnson had a down year, but he is a massive man who could give defenses problems. It was a nice pick, and good value.

6 (204) Will Davis, de, Illinois. – Davis reminds me of Calais Campbell who the Cards drafted last year. They can manipulate his weight to either play him at DE or LB. He was an underrated prospect and was very good value in the 6th.

7 (240) LaRod Stephens-Howling, rb, Pitt. – Hard working team leader return man/special teamer.

7 (254) Trevor Canfield, g, Cincinnati. – A 7th round steal who should make the team as an athletic and versatile guard.


Atlanta – A- – They definitely made some nice value picks early, but perhaps didn’t address some of the big needs like OLB. Still, this defense has drastically improved with this draft, and have some moe high upside guys.

1 (24) Peria Jerry, dt, Mississippi. – Jerry is a pass rushing specialist at the UT position and will add both a run stopping and pass rushing threat. If he stays healthy, watch out. Great pick.

2 (55) William Moore, db, Missouri. – Safety was a need and Moore fits the bill. At worst, he is an in the box guy. If his coverage skills develop, he will be a top strong safety. Great pick.

3 (90) Christopher Owens, db, San Jose St. – A high upside corner who could eventually become the #1 corner, but he needs a lot of coaching. A bit early for him, and there were more polished guys on the board, but it is worth the upside. Okay pick.

4 (125) Lawrence Sidbury, de, Richmond. – Another high upside, small school guy who may need some developing. Sidbury has a big wingspan and has a good pass rush repetoire however, and the value was great. Excellent pick.

5 (138) William Middleton, db, Furman. – Another high upside corner. I am not sure if he was needed after Owens. He’s strong an fast, but likely won’t ever be anything more than a nickel at best. Average pick.

5 (156) Garrett Reynolds, ot, North Carolina. – Reynolds fits what Mike Smith has done with their offensive line. He is big, physical, and aggressive and could be a nice back-up. Solid pick.

6 (176) Spencer Adkins, lb, Miami. – The Falcons are looking for upside, as the only player from Da U taken, Adkins was a back-up at Miami, but he has that blend of size and speed you look for in a LB. Practice squad fodder most likely for now.

7 (210) Vance Walker, dt, Georgia Tech. – I’m a big fan of Walker as just a solid player for can play NT or UT in the Falcons system, be in a rotation and be productive. I think this was a big steal.


Baltimore – B+ – I think the Ravens did well, but not great. They beefed up their line, but this draft may not make an immediate impact outside of Oher, and their offense is still vanilla.

1 (23) Michael Oher, ot, Mississippi. – Newsome took the player that fell too far. Oher has intelligence issues, but he can line up at LT or RT and provide a nice presence. If his lack of concentration continues though, he may get crushed. Even so, excellent value, could be a cornerstone. Excellent pick.

2 (57) Paul Kruger, de, Utah. – I like Kruger just fine, and he may be able to replace Trevor Pryce down the line, but he still has work to fit into the Ravens system. He can’t really rush the passer, but may need to bulk up a tad to fit in with the Ravens. We’ll see how the fit goes. Okay pick.

3 (88) Lardarius Webb, db, Nicholls State. – Webb was moving up boards, but he is a developmental guy. He is small, his hips are not fluid, and lacks those fundamentals. Reminds me a bit of Ricardo Colclough. He will need time. Okay Pick.

5 (137) Jason Phillips, lb, TCU. – Phillips is a tough inside guy who fits the system perfectly. He may be that eventual replacement to Ray Lewis due to his top notch motor. If he learns to shed blocks well, we could talk about him down the line. Excellent pick.

5 (149) Davon Drew, te, East Carolina. – The 5th was a bit early for Drew, an ex-QB with only a year or TE experience. He will end up on the practice squad, but may re-emerge in a year or three. Okay pick.

6 (185) Cedric Peerman, rb, Virginia. – A pure value pick by the Ravens. Peerman should have gone at least a round earlier, and may even contribute some this year if the crowded back field allows him to . Good pick.


Buffalo – A – Other than the lack of a true tackle being picked, I really like the Bills draft. They took some value picks and got players who fit their system.

1 (11) Aaron Maybin, de, Penn State. – Though I’m not a huge fan of Maybin, in the Bill’s pseudo Cover-2, he can be asked to just rush the passer and not much else. His first step may be nasty off the edge in the NFL. Solid selection, even by passing Orakpo. Great pick.

1 (28) Eric Wood, c, Louisville. – The Bills likely wanted Alex Mack or Pettigrew here, but with both gone, Wood was the next pick. Maybe a slight reach, but Wood had an end of the first grade. He is tough and should man that line for years. Good pick.

2 (42) Jairus Byrd, db, Oregon. – Byrd will likely move to FS and compete with Ko Simpson. Good bloodlines and nice playmaking ability is there. Outside of speed, Byrd will add to an already nasty secondary. Solid pick.

2 (51) Andy Levitre, g, Oregon State. – The top guard by many in this draft, Levitre is light on his field and will add to the interior for the Bills. A huge upgrade. Good pick.

4 (121) Shawn Nelson, te, Southern Miss. – A pure steal for one of the few traditional TEs in this draft. Nelson is a poor man’s Pettigrew in that he can block, but also has some solid hands and can do damage in open space. Should start. Excellent pick.

5 (147) Nic Harris, lb, Oklahoma. – The ex-safety will likely move to OLB and be a nice reserve. He showed that he can be passable in linebacker drills, but he will need some development to eventaully start. Okay pick.

6 (183) Cary Harris, db, Southern Cal. – I’m not a big Harris fan, and I just don’t think the pick was needed (especially seeing the 7th round pick). The team is 5 deep at corner, and depth isn’t bad to have, but Harris isn’t fluid and doesn’t have the make-up speed to cut it. Mediocre pick.

7 (220) Ellis Lankster, db, West Virginia. – Now Lankster was a value pick, and it looks like they will hope either Lankster or Harris will take the ball and eventually be a nickel corner. Okay pick.


Carolina – C – I just don’t know what the Panthers were doing here. Trading away a future 1st round pick to get two guys who likely won’t start for you doesn’t make much sense to me. Everette Brown is a good player, but a whole draft just to replace Julius Peppers in a year or two leaves me scratching my head. But hey, they are usually successful.

2 (43) Everette Brown, de, Florida State. – The Panthers traded theirs first next year for this pick and a 4th rounder. Brown is a pass rush specialist, plain and simple, and is a liability against the run. His stock took a big hit as we went into the draft. He will replace Julius Peppers, but could bust like many FSU Des. I like the pick, but not the value to give up to take him. Mediocre pick.

2 (59) Sherrod Martin, db, Troy. – Sherrod Martin rose to the second round and was fine value here. Martin is 6’1, 198, and he runs a nice 40, but he is thin and not durable. He could end up a steal or never being talked about. Solid pick.

3 (93) Corey Irvin, dt, Georgia. – I definitely did not have Irvin pegged this high, but DT was a huge need as Carolina saw last year. I won’t knock them for the pick, though Irvin just isn’t exposive and needs to bulk up. Okay Pick.

4 (111) Mike Goodson, rb, Texas A&M. – Huh? I do like Mike Goodson on the field, but he won’t sniff playing time for a bit with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart there. He has potential to be in a “Reggie Bush” type of role, but he has never lived up to it. Aren’t there better ways to spend this pick? Mediocre pick.

4 (128) Tony Fiametta, gb, Syracuse. – A bit high for a FB, but Fiametta was going to be the first one off the board. He will add to the run game with his blocking, and can catch a bit. I just wonder if a 4th is too high. Okay pick.

5 (163) Duke Robinson, g, Oklahoma. – This was a nice value pick. Duke Robinson’s stock fell hard after the National Championship when it was shown he couldn’t handle any pass rushing move and had little to no footwork. I still loved him as a mauler, and I love the fit for an inside runner like Stewart. Peria Jerry may be able to jack him up, but Duke can handle any NT in the league. Great pick.

7 (216) Captain Munnerlyn, db, South Carolina – Munnerlyn will need some major developing, but he is a solid practice squad guy. Fine pick.


Chicago – A- – Chicago had a quiet draft, but for not having a pick first day, I thought they did great. They added weapons for Cutler on offense, and this team could be very good. If I would include the Jay Cutler trade, this is an A++.

3 (68) Jarron Gilbert, dt, San Jose State. – Gilbert was a value pick. Huge need? No, but they were surprised he was there. He can play a multitude of roles, DT rotation, DE run-stuffer. I like the pick. Great pick.

3 (99) Juaquin Iglesias, wr, Oklahoma. – A solid possession WR to pair with Hester and the like. I think Iglesias will need an NFL adjustment, but he is exactly what the team needs. He should at least be able to contribute and make solid catches. Great pick.

4 (105) Henry Melton, de, Texas. – Any type of DE as insurance was pretty big for the Bears. Melton’s value was about right, maybe a tad early, but he has the raw skills. His technique is just horrendous. May need coached up a lot. Solid Pick.

4 (119) D.J. Moore, db, Vanderbilt. – Moore was a player a lot of people liked, including me, early on as a Late 1st/Early 2nd. Terrible showings at the combine and his Pro Day killed him, and short/slow corners don’t get drafted until the 3rd or 4th. Even so, in the Bears pseudo-Cover 2, he fits perfectly. He won’t be asked to go step for step with Bernard Berrian or anything, and can use his playmaking skills. Excellent pick.

5 (140) Johnny Knox, wr, Abilene Christian. – Knox lit it up at the combine, so I’m surprised the Raiders didn’t take him. Knox provides a returner if Hester goes to WR full time, and a slot WR who can be brought along. Tons of raw skill who will utilize Cutler’s talent. Good pick.

5 (154) Marcus Freeman, lb, Ohio State. – Freeman was another steal in the 5th. A 1st round talent before his senior year where an injury slowed him down. If he goes back to his old form, he could contribute in a rotation this year. If he not, he at least has the athleticism and lateral movement ability to really be successful. Great pick.

6 (190) Al Afalava, db, Oregon State. – Afalava is a one of those players you will see on special teams make huge hits and wonder why he isn’t on the field. Very very fast, and a big hitter at SS in the box. He is some nice insurance. Good pick.

7 (246) Lance Louis, te, San Diego State. – The Bears are already 3 deep at TE, but Lance Louis was a guard in college! It looks like he will play Te now and be a primary blocker there. Should be good on the goal line. Okay pick.

7 (251) Derek Kinder, wr, Pittsburgh. – Kinder is another special teams guy who possibly could be developed. Okay pick.


Cincinnati – A – The Bengals draft is very risky, but the upside here is tremendous. It will require a superior coaching effort from Marvin Lewis, but if he can coach people up, they may have six new starters out of this draft. And of course, it is laced with character concerns.

1 (6) Andre Smith, ot, Alabama. – Smith is a good fit for the Bengals, but his character is obviously somewhat of a concern. That being said, Smith will contribute to this team. He should start at LT immediately. Great pick.

2 (38) Rey Maualuga, lb, Southern Cal. – Maualuga was a steal this late based on intensity and leadership. He could be a face for this defense. There are two issues: one is character, where it has been rumored Maualuga needed a babysitter on the road at USC due to his like of alcohol. The second is the fit, as Maualuga hasn’t proven he can shed blocks or have the lateral movement needed in a 4-3. All in all an excellent pick, but there are some issues.

3 (70) Michael Johnson, de, Georgia Tech. – Johnson has incredible athleticism, and he could be a pass rushing nightmare. His lack of run support and poor motor had him fall, but if he can get coached up, he could be a Hall of Fame caliber. The upside is big, but so is the downside. Excellent pick.

3 (98) Chase Coffman, te, Missouri. – The Bengals have never really had a big time pass catching TE. Coffman, if healthy has that potential to be a game changer in the offense. Solid pick.

4 (106) Jonathan Luigs, c, Arkansas. – Luigs had a very successful college career, and he could be a nice little steal in the 4th round to soon be a starter for the Bengals. He definitely has the mentality to play center in the NFL, he just needs to get strong. Solid pick.

5 (142) Kevin Huber, p, Cincinnati. – It is a little early for a Punter, but Huber should come in and start immediately. He really is a full package Punter in terms of power and accuracy, but is it worth it in the 5th? Fine pick.

6 (179) Morgan Trent, db, Michigan. – I scratched my head a bit here. I have seen some downright awesome Michigan corners, but Trent isn’t one of them. He doesn’t have any make-up speed whatsoever, and really won’t be provide much more than a special teamer.

6 (209) Bernard Scott, rb, Abilene Christian. – Scott was an extremely productive back who could come in and easily contribute with some carries. His fall is based more on character concerns than anything, since he has been arrested over 5 times. But he is explosive, tough, and durabl, and if he keeps his nose clean, he may get some carries. Good pick.

7 (215) Fui Vakapuna, rb, BYU. – A FB that could come in and be a big time lead blocker. May start on practice squad.

7 (249) Clinton McDonald, dt, Memphis. – McDonald is going to be a reserve defensive tackle to start, but in a few years of development, he definitely has the skills to become a starter. Great Pick.

7 (252) Freddie Brown, wr, Utah. – A practice squad player whose height at 6’3 could have him see the field down the line.


Cleveland – B – Cleveland’s draft makes it appear to me that Eric Mangini is playing for next year and has some big control in the organization. This draft was pretty iffy for me, but I do think they added talent, and possibly 5 starters down the line, but this draft doesn’t scream “win now.” Nor has any of Cleveland’s other moves.

1 (21) Alex Mack, c, California. – Mangini and Kokinis obviously wanted to get what Mangini had in Nick Mangold in New York. Mack can and will be an impact player, as impact as a center can be, but is it more of an upgrade than a Hakeem Nicks or Clay Matthews would be to the team as a whole? I’m not sure. Good pick.

2 (36) Brian Robiskie, wr, Ohio State. – Robiskie is the type of WR who will be solid, but never a #1. He likely will step in as the #2 guy next to Braylon, but his upside is limited to maybe being a Joe Jurevicius type of player. It definitely may turn into a very good pick. Great pick.

2 (50) Mohamed Massaquoi, wr, Georgia. – Massaquoi is the upside pick at WR. He may start as the #3 or #4, and try and be progressed as time goes on. He has all the physical attributes. He is kind of a Braylon Jr. with his drops, durability concerns, and lack of technique. Will take a year or so to come along. Good pick

2 (52) David Veikune, de, Hawaii. – The Browns reach a tad for their pass rusher. Veikune was a solid early 3rd round pick, but he is a hard worker who has good quickness and agility. His athleticism as a whole has not hit is potential, but he likely will start at OLB and try to fill into the position. Good pick

4 (104) Kaluka Maiava, lb, Southern Cal. – I like Maiava as a player, but is fit in the 3-4 makes me question. He will play inside, possibly to even start next to D’Qwell Jackson, but at 5’11 229, I am definitely concerned if he will be able to shed blocks or not. The value was good, but the fit is a question. Okay Pick.

6 (177) Don Carey, db, Norfolk State. – High upside guy who may have to make the move to FS. He has those physical skills and is extremely natural in the secondary. The technique will need fixed, but his potential is sky high for a 6th rounder. Good pick.

6 (191) Coye Francies, db, San Jose State. – Francies’ speed was his big question mark, and he isn’t the playmaker you want for a guy with poor untimed speed. Watching him at the Senior Bowl however, he sticks to receivers like glue and is a solid tackler. Could develop into a nice Nickel Back. Excellent pick.

6 (195) James Davis, rb, Clemson. – One of my favorite senior RBs in the draft who fell due to questions about his toughness. He has tremendous vision though, and is a solid up the gut runner and pass blocker. He should definitely make the team, and may even get a good amount of carries. Excellent pick.


Dallas – C+ – I am really unsure about what Dallas’ goal was coming into the draft. Rumor is since their target in Round 2, Max Unger, was gone, the Cowboys continued moving down. But even with this, the team did not seem to do very well and get any type of impact players.

3 (69) Jason Williams, lb, Western Illinois. – Williams has some great physical skills, but his fit in the Cowboys defense is a bit questionable. He will likely play inside, and attempt to give the Cowboys an impact tackler. I can’t imagine him starting immediately though. Okay pick.

3 (75) Robert Brewster, ot, Ball State. – Brewster was moving up boards, and he is very versatile since he can back-up tackle and guard spots, including the elusive LT position. This was a solid pick since the Cowboys offensive line depth has been brutal. Good pick.

4 (101) Stephen McGee, qb, Texas A&M. – Tony Romo insurance. I am a big big fan of McGee and wish he would have gone to a place where he would have a chance to start eventually. Maybe it will be in Dallas if Tony Romo doesn’t become a big time leader. Was a QB needed this high though? Good pick.

4 (110) Victor Butler, lb, Oregon State. – A pass rush specialist who lacks any other type of game. He can’t stop the run, and is crushed by blocks, but he’ll at least be a nice special teams player. Should play OLB for Dallas. Okay Pick.

4 (120) Brandon Williams, lb, Texas Tech. – Ten Picks later, the Cowboys take another pass rush specialist. Williams has a good first step and tons of athleticism, but he has a low motor and can’t beat bigger blockers. Was another pure pass rusher necessary after Butler? Fair Pick.

5 (143) DeAngelo Smith, db, Cincinnati. – Now Dallas started with value picks. DeAngelo Smith came from the cornerback powerhouse this year of Cincinnati. He is a very physical corner who fits the Cowboy’s system. Great Pick.

5 (166) Michael Hamlin, db, Clemson. – The Cowboys waited awhile to address a big need at safety. Hamlin was amazing value, who only lacks speed really. He should be able to be tough against the run and make big plays. He may make an impact sooner rather than later. Excellent pick.

5 (172) David Buehler, k, Southern Cal. – Wait, what? Buehler is very athletic and has a big leg, but Nick Folk has been money. So, the Cowboys spent a 5th round pick on a kick-off specialist? Will he play safety too. I don’t understand it yet. Poor Pick.

6 (197) Stephen Hodge, lb, TCU. – Hodge is a safety who likely doesn’t fit there well in the NFL. But, he may just profile s an in the box type of safety and back-up those positions. Special Teams guy at best in the future. Okay pick.

6 (208) John Phillips, te, Virginia. – Cavalier TEs have been successful. Should add depth and get more blocking. Good pick.

7 (227) Mike Mickens, db, Cincinnati. – Mickens was a near first rounder before tearing up his knee late in the season. If he regains his pre-injury form, he may be the steal of the draft. The value was great here. Excellent pick.

7 (229) Manuel Johnson, wr, Oklahoma. – A developmental and depth WR who likely will be on the PS/#5 WR.


Denver – C+ – Denver made a lot of moves, but their Defensive Line is still terrible, they lost a 1st round pick next year, and really have done nothing to think they won’t have a defense near the bottom of the league again. I love all of the individual players, but the fits and position fits are just poor.

1 (12) Knowshon Moreno, rb, Georgia. – Knowshon should fit McDaniels system, but without the zone blocking scheme, he may not have that success other Broncos RBs have seen. For a team with such an atrocious defense though, I question if this was the best pick. Good pick.

1 (18) Robert Ayers, de, Tennessee. – I like Ayers, especially in the 4-3 or as an outside linebacker in the 3-4. But, Josh McDaniels has indicated Ayers will bulk up and play the 5-Tech DE position. Really? Ayers won’t make an impact for awhile and really doesn’t fit that position. Okay Pick

2 (37) Alphonso Smith, db, Wake Forest. – I like Alphonso Smith a lot. A firecracker and a playmaker. But a first round pick next year for him? And the Broncos first, not the Bears first? Champ and Alphonso could make a nice duo in a year or two, but it may have been too much to give up. Good Pick.

2 (48) Darcel McBath, db, Texas Tech. – I like McBath as a nice FS who can play midfield and make big plays. I don’t think this was a big position of need however for the Broncos, and the pick could have been used elsewhere. Okay Pick.

2 (64) Richard Quinn, te, North Carolina. – The Broncos traded up, giving two 3rd round picks for a blocking TE. Richard Quinn has only caught 12 passes in his college career, so I question if the Broncos couldn’t have gotten similar value in the 3rd. Fair Pick.

4 (114) David Bruton, db, Notre Dame. – Bruton can develop into an excellent strong safety with his athleticism combined with natural skills, and will learn from one of the best in Dawkins. A pick for down the line, but won’t help immediately. Good pick.

4 (132) Seth Olsen, g, Iowa. – Still no defensive line help, but the Broncos do get offensive line help with the versatile Seth Olsen. Olsen is a solid, hard working player who should be a reserve for now, and possibly start at one of the guard positions in the future. Once again, good player, but other positions needed addressed. Okay Pick.

5 (141) Kenny McKinley, wr, South Carolina. – McKinley is a big target, but may go the wayside like many other WRs under Spurrier and the other USC. He will need some major development and likely won’t see much playing time immediately. Okay Pick.

6 (174) Tom Brandstater, qb, Fresno State. – Brandstater was one of my favorite QBS due to a big frame, lots of experience, and top notch intangibles. He is accurate and does have a similar profile to a Tom Brady coming out, so his fit with McDaniels is good. Good pick.

7 (225) Blake Schlueter, c, TCU. – And the Broncos end up with a developmental practice squad player. Man, this team is going to get run all over.


Detroit – B+ – I think Detroit came in with a goal and achieved that goal. Though I don’t agree with some picks myself, the team is looking toward 2010 to make a big impact. They got 6-7 potential starters, and if you look at Schwartz’s old boss, Jeff Fisher, the draft is very similar to one he would run. ILB and O-line is not revered (Since his start 1994, Fisher has never drafted neither in the first round, and only twice in the second). This may work…

1 (1) Matthew Stafford, qb, Georgia. – This was the pick they had to go with. A big time arm, great leadership and intangibles, and tons of experience/productivity. Stafford will need a half a year to sit or so, but he should step in next year worst case. He will be successful. Excellent pick.

1 (20) Brandon Pettigrew, te, Oklahoma St. – A bit of surprise, but this was getting clear as a possible pick heading into Saturday. Pettigrew will add some great run blocking, help for Jeff Backus on the left side at times, and a bail-out threat for Stafford when needed. The only downside is the position. Okay Pick.

2 (33) Louis Delmas, db, Western Michigan. – I thought the Lions would address positions of bigger need like LT, Dt, or ILB, but Delmas is an excellent player. He has top notch intangibles, could be a Rodney Harrison type of player, and may end up the face of this defense as a playmaker. He will start from Day 1, and maybe even win a game or two. The type of guy every defense needs. Great pick.

3 (76) DeAndre Levy, lb, Wisconsin. – I was a bit surprised when this pick happened, but it makes sense since Levy fits Schwartz’s scheme at ILB. He is aggressive, very fluid, and he is extremely fast. At worst, he can move to the weakside and back-up the Lions OLBs to give depth. Should compete inside, but I wonder if he’ll make it. Okay Pick.

3 (82) Derrick Williams, wr, Penn State. – Another surprising pick, but Williams adds big weapons to this offense. He never had a good QB throwing him in the ball, and should find a niche in the slot for the Lions. He can return kicks, make big plays, and is a tough hard working player. The value was great as well. Good Pick.

4 (115) Sammie Lee Hill, dt, Stillman. – Good value for a high character. He should rotate with Grady Jackson in that NT position, and may be able to go to the UT position when run stuffing is needed. He is still very very raw and just doesn’t provide explosion. Even so, a great tackler who will eat up blockers. Great pick.

6 (192) Aaron Brown, rb, TCU. – I am not quite sure of Brown’s fit, maybe as a returner, or to give a future back-up to Kevin Smith. He is another outside type of runner, and though the value isn’t bad, I am unsure of the fit. Fair Pick.

7 (228) Lydon Murtha, ot, Nebraska. – Murtha is going to be the developmental LT the Lions want. Murtha showed off his athleticism, running a faster 40 than some Des at the Combine. He will be brought along to back-up Backus and maybe eventually replace him. Great Pick.

7 (235) Zach Follet, lb, California. – A steal this late to back-up those OLBs, and maybe even compete inside. Another guy who is a true player. He is a big hitter, flies around the field and sheds blockers very well. Great Pick.

7 (255) Dan Gronkowski, te, Maryland. – A Practice Squad TE who profiles as a blocker at the next level.


Green Bay – A- – Ted Thompson saw what he wanted, he snatched it up, and didn’t look back. Getting two first round picks without giving up a future pick is big, and I thought Green Bay addressed their biggest needs and kept on going.

1 (9) B.J. Raji, dt, Boston College. – The instant starting Nose Tackle for the Packers. Raji is very unique in how he plays, and it really will be interesting to see how he is used. He should make a big impact, and may be a Haloti Ngata type of player. Excelelnt pick.

1 (26) Clay Matthews, lb, Southern Cal. – Matthews was a Top 15 pick on the Packers board, and they fought to get back up and get him. I am not a huge fan of the 3-4 fit for Matthews, but I really can see it working with how the Packers run. Will start on the weakside, and likely get the most sacks for the Packers. Good pick.

4 (109) T.J. Lang, g, Eastern Michigan. – Lang fits the system perfectly, and can play OT or OG. He was moving up boards late, and will be nice in the ZBS for the Packers. I do like the fit and value here and can’t knock it. Excellent pick.

5 (145) Quinn Johnson, rb, LSU. – I probably wouldn’t take a FB this high, but Quinn Johnsons showed in the Senior Bowl that he excels as a lead blocker and running in short yardage. He could be that missing piece that always seems to lack for the Packers. Good pick.

5 (162) Jamon Meredith, ot, South Carolina. – Another pick that could end up the steal of the draft. Meredith is an amazing fit for the ZBS, will back up the LT position and eventually start there. If he becomes more consistent, he could be a guy the Packers look back on fondly. Excellent Pick.

6 (182) Jarius Wynn, de, Georgia. – A bigger guy who may need to add some bulk to play that 3-4 DE position. The Packers feel fine about their Des at this point, and Wynn will likely see the practice squad to get the strength and bulk to play the 5-Tech. Okay Pick.

6 (187) Brandon Underwood, db, Cincinnati. – Great value again. Underwood was the Nickel back at Cincinnati, but he played very well. Extremely athletic, and the upside is near unlimited. If he gets stronger and more mature, he could develop into a starter. Excellent pick.

7 (218) Brad Jones, lb, Colorado. – Practice Squad inside Linebacker depth.


Houston – A- – Houston’s draft may be a bit questionable on paper, but I like it. Other than missing out on an impact safety, we should see the Texans offense continuing being a powerhouse, and the pass rush should be drastically improved.

1 (15) Brian Cushing, lb, Southern Cal. – Cushing is just a good fit, and will start over Zach Diles immediately. He wasn’t asked to cover much at USC, so if he improves on that area, he can help the Texans. Where he will help is run stuffing as well as rushing the passer in key situations. Should rack up a ton of tackles. Great pick.

2 (46) Connor Barwin, de, Cincinnati. – An athletic freak who has only played one year at DE. He has top notch intangibles however, great speed, and good pass rush moves. He will rotate with Antonio Smith this year to have a pass rushing threat opposite of Mario Williams. In a few years, him and Mario could be a Freeney/Mathis type of combo. Excellent Pick.

3 (77) Antoine Caldwell, c, Alabama. – Caldwell as moving up draft boards and this is a good value pick. The Texans did need new blood at center, and Caldwell may be able to start from Day 1. He will fit AMAZINGLY in the ZBS, and should be a great leader for the Texans O-line. Great Pick.

4 (112) Glover Quin, db, New Mexico. – Quin was a guy I underrated. I went back and watched a bit more tape, and he should move to safety and at least be an effective back-up. He needs some help in the open field, and with his technique, but is very physical and is a playmaker. At worst, he is a top flight special teams player. Solid Pick.

4 (122) Anthony Hill, te, N.C. State. – Hill is a run blocking TE whose size will help create some of those holes in the run game. He also has some good soft hands and will be another offensive option. I like the fit, good pick.

5 (152) James Casey, te, Rice. – This was a pure value pick. Casey is very mature and lives up to his nickname, “Thor.” He provides a red zone target, and even played a little DE and QB when needed. He adds a Wildcat threat for the Texans, and looks like Tim Tebow back there. You may see him in the slot at times too. A guy who does a bit of everything. Good pick.

6 (188) Brice McCain, db, Utah. – A developmental corner who may have to start on the practice squad and may eventually move up as time goes on. He was the #2 corner in Utah, and has the speed and cover ability to be something. Not overly physical, but still a Good Pick.

7 (223) Troy Nolan, db, Arizona State. – Reserve Practice Squad safety who may eventually be a back-up.


Indianapolis – B – The Colts made good picks all around, but nothing jumps off the page at me. I think they got players who will make an impact, but no real superstar players down the line. This draft should provide a few starters down the line, but could ultimately lead to some flakes.

1 (27) Donald Brown, rb, Connecticut. – I’m a big fan of Brown since he can run up the gut, catch the ball, and play tough. He needs some help on his vision, but I was surprised the Colts didn’t go with a WR. They needed a DT more, but the team starts with the offense. Good pick though.

2 (56) Fili Moala, dt, Southern Cal. – In my early mocks, I almost always mocked Moala to Indy here since the fit in the Cover-2 is perfect. He is smallish, but can rush when his motor is running. He should step in and start immediately, though it may have been a slight reach there. Great pick.

3 (92) Jerraud Powers, db, Auburn. – Powers was someone I had a bit lower, but I definitely recognize the talents he has, especially in the Cover 2. He is very small, and can’t stop the run, but is very fluid and will make some plays. I do think there were some better players on the board though. Okay pick.

4 (127) Austin Collie, wr, BYU. – Collie was an extremely productive player who has elite talent in terms of making adjustments to the ball. He doesn’t have good speed or separation ability, but he should find a nice home on the Colts. Good pick.

4 (136) Terrance Taylor, dt, Michigan. – Taylor’s stock fell pretty hard his senior season in the new Michigan system, but he is a big body who can eat up blocks. He isn’t the type of NT the Colts usually have, but if he increases his motor, he could actually compete to start with how little depth there is on the Colts. Good pick.

6 (201) Curtis Painter, qb, Purdue. – A little hometown guy to groom to back-up Peyton Manning. After seeing what happened to Tom Brady, it is a wise move for the Colts. I’m not a big Painter fan, as his mentality is the complete opposite of Peyton’s though. Okay pick.

7 (222) Pat McAfee, p, West Virginia. – McAfee is a terrible kicker and a terrible punter. A wasted pick. Poor pick.

7 (236) Jaimie Thomas, g, Maryland. – Practice Squad offensive lineman.


Jacksonville – A- – The more I look at what Jacksonville did, I like it. They seem to find a need, and attack it, like DE last year. This buffers any busts. The 3rd round picks are a little questionable, but they also got great late round value.

1 (8) Eugene Monroe, ot, Virginia. – Could have been the #2 pick and no one would have questioned it. If Monroe gets over his injury issues, he should be a mainstay at LT for a long long time on the Rams. Great Pick.

2 (39) Eben Britton, ot, Arizona. – Britton is pretty upset he wasn’t picked in the first round, and feels he will be a stud in the NFL. He should move into RT very soon, and at worst will be a longtime starter at RG. Great value and great pick.

3 (72) Terrance Knighton, dt, Temple. – This one makes me question the draft a bit. DT is a need for the Jaguars, but Knighton is a big boday who isn’t polished enough to step right in from Day 1 or anything. He will definitely need some time to develop before being a starter. Okay pick.

3 (73) Derek Cox, db, William & Mary. – I’ll be honest, Cox is one of the prospects I knew little about. He isn’t a speedy guy, but he plays physical. He at least should be a solid special team player, and I don’t see starting potential. Do you want that from a 3rd round pick? Okay pick.

4 (107) Mike Thomas, wr, Arizona. – I am a huge fan of Mike Thomas. Short, but he is fast and very athletic. In open space, Thomas can be deadly. He should immediately start in the slot, and could do more down the line. Excellent pick.

5 (144) Jarett Dillard, wr, Rice. – Dillard is another WR who was extremely productive in college and has some great ball skills. He is one of those solid possession WRs that the Jags never seem to get. He should be a safe bet to contribute some. Great pick.

6 (180) Zach Miller, te, Nebraska-Omaha. – Miller is an ex-QB who will turn to TE at the next level. He stepped it up in his Post-Season Bowl game when he played TE and should be a practice squad developmental type. Good pick.

7 (250) Rashad Jennings, rb, Liberty. – Jenning’s toughness and inside running is questioned, and that is why he fell to the 7th round. Even so, it is an excellent pick by the Jags to get a 3rd RB who can compete with Chauncey Washington for the back-up spot. Excellent pick.

7 (253) Tiquan Underwood, wr, Rutgers. – Underwood is the deep threat the Jags were hoping they got when they signed Troy Williamson. Underwood will likely spend time on the practice squad and on special teams, but he may make a big play here and there.


Kansas City – B+ – Criticizing Scott Pioli would just be stupid. He and Haley have been working extremely well together, and they apparently have a two year plan in place for the Chiefs. He is starting to build in the trenches right off the bat and will go from there.

1 (3) Tyson Jackson, de, LSU – This was the guy the Chiefs wanted, and they couldn’t move down at all. A reach? Yes. But he fits both the 4-3 Under and 3-4 for the Chiefs. Good pick.

3 (67) Alex Magee, de, Purdue. – Magee is a player I am a big fan of. He was put at DE this year, and didn’t play well due to it. The 5 Tech is a nice position for him down the line. This should kick him next to Dorsey in the 4-3 Under, and lead to Dorsey playing NT in the future 3-4. Great pick.

4 (102) Donald Washington, db, Ohio State. – This is the high upside pick. Washington has a ton of potential, but was benched by the Buckeyes at times. He has great athleticism, speed, and measurables though, and will likely play down the depth chart for awhile. Good pick.

5 (139) Colin Brown, ot, Missouri. – Brown played center in Missouri, but he is big enough to move to guard or tackle. His versatility will be important for the Chiefs, and he likely will back up many of the starters, especially at RT.

6 (175) Quinton Lawrence, wr, McNeese St. – Lawrence is a deep threat who likely will start on the practice squad before moving onto the team.

7 (212) Javarris Williams, rb, Tennessee St. – Williams is an up the gut runner who needs some progression, but could be a #3 if they decide to let LJ go (which now seems unlikely). Solid pick.

7 (237) Jake O’Connell, te, Miami (Ohio). – Tons of athleticism here for O’Connell. The Chiefs will use Brad Cottam as their #1 TE this year, but we should see O’Connell progress with the team to see if he can be an athletic pass catching thread. Solid Pick.

7 (256) Ryan Succop, k, USC. – Here’s to hoping Mr. Irrelevant does something. I doubt it.


Miami – B+ – The Dolphins seemed to have their own mindset to the draft. I think it was very hit (secondary,) and very miss (WRs).

1 (25) Vontae Davis, db, Illinois. – Bill Parcells took a chance on character issues to get a corner who has superior athleticism and should make an instant impact on a poor secondary. He could end up like Antonio Cromartie, making big plays, but getting beat too. Either way, it is an upgrade. Great pick.

2 (44) Pat White, qb, West Virginia. – There he is, the future of the Dolphins Wildcat. Not only that, but Pat White worked out privately at WR for the Fins, and likely will contribute as a slot WR as well. Good pick.

2 (61) Sean Smith, db, Utah. – Smith most likely will make that transition to FS, but may be tried at corner first. He was a guy who I always liked how he fit in Miami, and think if any team can utilize his size and talents, it is Miami. I think it was a Great Pick.

3 (87) Patrick Turner, wr, Southern Cal. – Man, this was a fairly significant reach. Turner is a big red zone target, something Miami severely lacks, but Turner really is less talented than some of the other USC WRs we have seen in the past like Dwyane Jarrett and Steve Smith. I think he will need a lot of time before playing. Poor Pick.

4 (108) Brian Hartline, wr, Ohio State. – With Greg Camarillo coming off a major injury, Ted Ginn not being a top flight Wr yet, and Davone Bess being nothing more than an okay possession type, getting a top flight WR should have been a priority. Brian Hartline came out one year early and will need to make up that year and more to be productive for Miami. Developmental guy. Fair Pick.

5 (161) John Nalbone, te, Monmouth, N.J. – He can catch and block in a pretty good manner, but obviously both skills are extremely raw. He will be progressed to be a slot/blocking TE. Solid Pick.

5 (165) Chris Clemons, db, Clemson. – One of my favorite prospects, and he could be a late round steal. He should be able to be a back-up to start, and his athleticism may allow him to be rotated in down the line. I love the pick. Excellent pick.

6 (181) Andrew Gardner, ot, Georgia Tech. – Another guy I am a big fan of, who can be a back-up at RT and/or LT. A necessary player every time needs in case of injury. Great Pick.

7 (214) J.D. Folsom, lb, Weber State. – A Parcells type of guy who just works hard, hits hard and plays like a leader. A PS guy though.


Minnesota – A – I really like the Vikings draft more than most. I think, with a limited amount of picks, they got 2-3 starters, as well as a QB the coaching staff buys into. Some may disagree, but this draft is risky, and the Vikings are trying to win now.

1 (22) Percy Harvin, wr, Florida. – Risky pick of course for a low character diva. But, Harvin is a unique individual. He can take some pressure off of AD and be a diverse player. I think injury issues will wear him down, but he may provide some amazing moments this year. Great pick.

2 (54) Phil Loadholt, ot, Oklahoma. – There were teams talking about Loadholt in Round 1 and I thought someone would pull the trigger for the mammoth of a man. The Vikings could get a steal and he should start at RT from Day 1. I like the fit and the player. Excellent pick.

3 (86) Asher Allen, db, Georgia. – Allen came out early, and he is a bit small, but is a perfect fit in the Cover 2. Allen showed improved speed at his Pro Day, and can develop into a solid Play Maker. I like the fit a lot, and if any other team had the pulled the trigger, I would have question it. Great pick.

5 (150) Jasper Brinkley, lb, South Carolina. – I felt Brinkley was a solid 3rd round pick. The Vikings need a back-up for oft injured E.J. Henderson, and they felt the wrath of not having one last year. Though Brinkley fits better in the 3-4, his size and power does work in the Cover-2 and he should do well. Excellent pick.

7 (231) Jamarca Sanford, db, Mississippi. – Practice squad in the box safety type.


New England – A- – The Patriots not only traded down, and still got an enormous amount of picks (6) in the top 100, but they also picked up two second round picks for next year. They addressed needs and set themselves up for the future.

2 (34) Patrick Chung, db, Oregon. – Apparently the Pats wanted Chung more than some of the other high upside safety. I’m sure Bill sees the aggressiveness and work ethic Chung will bring, but his coverage ability is lacking. You can’t help but like the Pats addressing a need though. Good pick.

2 (40) Ron Brace, dt, Boston College. – I’m a big Ron Brace fan and think he very well could be like Casey Hampton. With Vince Wilfork possibly to be gone from the Patriots in a year or two, Brace will take over as a Nose Tackle. Great Pick.

2 (41) Darius Butler, db, Connecticut. – If the Patriots had taken Butler at 23, not many would have questioned it. Butler may be the best pure cover corner in this draft. He fits the Patriots system, and should learn from the myriad of veterans the Patriots have there now. Excellent pick.

2 (58) Sebastian Vollmer, ot, Houston. – I was a bit surprised, but the mammoth Vollmer seems to be the Patriots RT of the future. He definitely lacks the fundamentals a guy like Phil Loadholt has, but he will have time to grow into the position. A reach, but it was a need. Solid Pick.

3 (83) Brandon Tate, wr, North Carolina. – Is there a better place for a WR like tate to go? He may have to “redshirt” a year due to the injury, but he should stay clean in NE and can come in during the 2010 season as the slot WR. Great pick.

3 (97) Tyrone McKenzie, lb, South Florida. – Another guy who likely will move inside for the Pats, but as much as I like McKenzie, I am not 100% sold on the fit inside. He will have time to learn from one of the best in Bruschi. I’m sure he could fit and could eventually be a starter though, so solid pick.

4 (123) Rich Ohrnberger, g, Penn State. – Another guy who moved up draft boards late and just seems to fit that Patriots system. He will back-up the current Patriots guards and be brought along to eventually start down the line. Don’t be surprised if it happens. Good pick.

5 (170) George Bussey, ot, Louisville. – Two years ago in the Super Bowl, the Patriots offensive line was in shambles and was heavily criticized. It is obvious that in this draft, the Patriots are going out to get guys to develop and be reserves if ever needed. I had Bussey rated a bit lower, but he does fit. I am just not sure if I love it after the Vollmer and Ohrnberger picks. Okay pick.

6 (198) Jake Ingram, ls, Hawaii. – Ingram is the best long snapping prospect in the past decade, and was deserving of a sixth round past. We only need to look at the Steelers/Giants game last season to see how a hurt long snapper can kill a team. The Patriots may immediately have the best long snapper in the league. Good pick.

6 (207) Myron Pryor, dt, Kentucky. – Pryor should be a development DE for the 3-4. He was highly touted early in his college career, but he has injury issues and just gets eaten up by bigger lineman. I think the Patriots could turn him into a productive player though. Good pick.

7 (232) Julian Edelman, wr, Kent State. – And the Patriots get THEIR Wildcat QB. Edelman, an ex-QB, will provide WR depth and possibly add to the wildcat for the Pats. Solid pick.

7 (234) Darryl Richard, dt, Georgia Tech. – I like Richard, and thought he would go a bit higher. He will move to the 5-tech and the Patriots can put him on the practice squad to develop.


New Orleans – B+ – With these few picks, it is hard to get an A grade or anything, but the Saints addressed their big needs and possibly nabbed two starter in the secondary. This could be a difference making draft.

1 (14) Malcolm Jenkins, db, Ohio State. – Jenkins was the top secondary player on most boards. He was extremely productive in college, and at worst, he can be moved to FS and dominate in the open field. His lack of speed and some fluidity issues are the only problems with his game, but he is better than anything the Saints have on the roster right now. Great pick.

4 (116) Chip Vaughn, db, Wake Forest. – A lot of people loved Chip Vaughn as a possible first day pick. I had him a bit lower, but Vaughn is a good strong safety who will be in the box, play hard, and could start down the line. Excellent pick.

4 (118) Stanley Arnoux, lb, Wake Forest. – I am unsure if Arnoux can start in the NFL, but he can play outside or inside and has some huge upside with his workout numbers. He should make the roster, but may need a year on the practice squad first.

5 (164) Thomas Morstead, P, SMU. - Trading up for a punter is a rarity, but Morstead is a very good punter, and should add something on special teams for the Saints. Great pick.

New York Giants – A – Probably my favorite draft of the bunch. Not only did Jerry Reese attack big needs and get players who fit the Giants system, but they often got the BPA at the time as well. I look through this draft and see very little weakness.

1 (29) Hakeem Nicks, wr, North Carolina. – I am a big fan of Hakeem Nicks in terms of his ability to adjust to the ball and just be natural in everything he does. This is the type of solid, reliable, #1 possession target the Giants have not had, and it was obviously needed. Excellent Pick.

2 (45) Clint Sintim, lb, Virginia. – Sintim is a perfect fit for this defense and makes that Front 7 downright nasty. He is an excellent pass rusher, but also has the size and skills to drop into coverage. He can rotate in on 3rd downs and eventually become a starter. Great pick.

2 (60) Will Beatty, ot, Connectitcut. – Beatty is an athletic LT who needs to get a tad bit stronger to be effective. He can sit back, add depth to the Offensive line, and step in immediately in case of injury. Not very different from Duane Brown who was very effective for the Texans this past season. Great pick.

3 (85) Ramses Barden, wr, Cal Poly. – When Eli misses a pass, he misses high. It is tough to miss high when throwing to a guy who is 6’6. Barden needs some work, as he doesn’t know how to use his height to his advantage, but he fits in perfectly with the Giants and can be their #4 or #5 WR this year. Great pick.

3 (100) Travis Beckum, te, Wisconsin. – Beckum is an H-Back pass catcher, something the Giants haven’t really had. They can put him in the slot, put him on the line, and use him in a lot of different ways. He isn’t all that different from Dustin Keller, and if healthy, it could be a steal. Great pick.

4 (129) Andre Brown, rb, N.C. State. – Derrick Ward Jr. The Giants replace their #2 back with a very effective #2 in Andre Brown. He should get the opportunity to beat Ahmad Bradshaw and contribute a lot this year. The value was excellent as well. Excellent pick.

5 (151) Rhett Bomar, qb, Sam Houston St. – The Giants have struggled for awhile to find that gem back-up. Andre Woodson, David Carr, Jared Lorenzen, etc just haven’t gotten it done. The value was great, and the team couldn’t pass him up. Good pick.

6 (200) DeAndre Wright, db, New Mexico. – A solid physical guy who can play corner or FS. Likely will see the practice squad early though and need developed in fundamentals first. Fine pick.

7 (238) Stoney Woodson, db, South Carolina. – One of the back-ups in South Carolina with a ton of potential, but not much else. PS material.


New York Jets – A- – Tannenbaum likes to move and shake on draft day, and did another amazing job. The Jets move up twice, knock out two of their three biggest needs, and find a new face for the franchise. Broadway Mark. It is tough to not like it, but no WR and the lack of picks stings a tad.

1 (5) Mark Sanchez, qb, Southern Cal. – Excellent value in the trade, giving away three back-ups and a 2nd for Sanchez. He is in a good situation, with a good team around him, but a ton of pressure. I still believe they may sit him for a half a year to a year though, so don’t be surprised. Either way, they are a QB away from a playoff team. Excellent pick.

3 (65) Shonn Greene, rb, Iowa. – Similar to the Lions last year, a move up to the first pick of the second day to nab their RB for the future. Thomas Jones is gone after this year, and Shonn Greene is similar to that. Some love Greene, others think he is one dimensional. Either way, the value was good. Great pick.

6 (193) Matt Slauson, g, Nebraska. – I am not sure if Slauson will ever see the field for this team, but he is a solid back-up player and likely will see time on the practice squad before moving up. He does have good athleticism and is versatile, so who knows. Fine pick.


Oakland – B- – I think the Raiders draft is getting bashed a little TOO much. They addressed their top needed positions immediately, got guys who fit their system, and honestly didn’t reach as much as I thought they did. Yes, they are the Raiders, and yes, this draft will likely bust, but if it doesn’t, it could be very sick.

1 (7) Darrius Heyward-Bey, wr, Maryland. – We all knew Al Davis would take speed over skills if they went WR. Most of us just thought it would be Jeremy Maclin, not Heyward-Bey. This was a reach, but not a huge one. And if there is a guy who could work with JaMarcus, it is DHB. I am VERY interested to see how it turns out. Solid pick.

2 (47) Michael Mitchell, db, Ohio. – I was right there in bashing this pick, but the Bears were looking at Mitchell, and he likely would have went Round 2 or 3 to some other team. He has some major potential skills, but is extremely raw. Even so, with no real SS, he likely will start. Okay pick.

3 (71) Matt Shaughnessy, de, Wisconsin. – I like Shaughnessy, and think he was underrated, but I am not sure how his skillset fits with Oakland. He just isn’t a great pass rusher, but he works hard and has some big time strength. He should at least help out against the run in a rotation. Fine pick.

4 (124) Louis Murphy, wr, Florida. – The fear of Florida WRs is scary, but Murphy has the skills to be a #1 WR in this league. He is big, fast, and has pretty good hands. If he can learn the route tree and develop, this could be a steal. Great Pick.

4 (126) Slade Norris, lb, Oregon State. – Norris is a DE who likely will be moving to OLB due to his lack of size. Another guy with big speed, but he gets crushed by any type of contact. He can get to the edge nicely, but is just a situational pass rusher. Okay pick.

6 (199) Stryker Sulak, de, Missouri. – Sulak may be the DE that comes out of this draft in a big way for the Raiders. A tall DE with good explosion should fit the bill in Oakland. If he can get his strength up, he really could provide a solid pass rush along with his skills. He also may be another guy who moves to LB and will be an effective pass rush specialist. Great pick.

6 (202) Brandon Myers, te, Iowa. – A nice blend of blocking and pass catching for Myers, he likely will start on the PS, but may end up as the #2 TE sooner rather than later. Solid pick.


Philadelphia – A – Another very very good draft. The Eagles got players who fit their system, adding offensive weapons, and keeping their defensive cog running. Toss in nice value trading two 5ths for a nickel corner in Ellis Hobbs, and the Eagles are trying to make a run.

1 (19) Jeremy Maclin, wr, Missouri. – The value was too good to pass up, and the Eagles jumped up before the Giants could. Maclin is so athletic and adjusts to the ball extremely well. If he improves his footwork and route running ability, he could be a #1. I’m not sure if he is the best compliment to DeSean Jackson, but both are good players. Excellent pick.

2 (53) LeSean McCoy, rb, Pittsburgh. – I didn’t anticipate this, but the fit is perfect. McCoy can’t run up the middle, and that is why he fell to the second. What he can do is explode when turning the corner, catch passes, and shift around to make defenders miss. Sound like another Eagles RB? As long as Andy Reid is in Philly, McCoy will be successful. Great pick.

5 (153) Cornelius Ingram, te, Florida. – Ingram was talked about as a 2nd round pick, but his ACL injury just doesn’t look like it will allow him to be effective immediately. He may need a year off, but the Eagles do add an actual pass-catching threat in Ingram down the line. Great pick.

5 (157) Victor Harris, db, Virginia Tech. – Macho Harris had a down year as a senior, but he still made big plays in crucial moments, especially the Orange Bowl. He will likely move to FS for the Eagles due to his lack of speed, but it is a nice position for him. The value was great, and Macho will show up to play. Great pick.

5 (159) Fenuki Tupou, ot, Oregon. – Tupou is your typical Eagles O-lineman. He is big, he plays with a mean streak, but he needs coached up on the fundamentals and how to use his leverage. Should be a quality back-up. Good pick.

6 (194) Brandon Gibson, wr, Washington St. – If Brandon Gibson had played for most any other D-1 college, he may have been picked in the first three rounds. But injury issues and a downright horrible passing offense, Gibson wasn’t given the chance to shine. He should be a nice reserve for the Eagles and was good value. Great pick.

7 (213) Paul Fanaika, g, Arizona State. – A likely practice squad player who has some good upside.

7 (230) Moise Fokou, lb, Maryland. – A poor man’s Chris Gocong in that he doesn’t have the bulk, but he tackles well and is athletic. He should go on the practice squad and may make the team.


Pittsburgh – B+ – The Steelers had a solid draft. Nothing more. Nothing less. They don’t have any real “instant” impact guys, but they got excellent depth and players who will contribute down the line.

1 (32) Evander Hood, dt, Missouri. – I’m not in love with Ziggy as a 5-tech, but I think the Steelers will make it fix since Hood is a tough, hardworker who does everything well. He won’t be an Aaron Smith type of player, but he’ll provide a DE start for the next 7-8 years. Good pick.

3 (79) Kraig Urbik, g, Wisconsin. – Urbik is a jack of all trades who likely will stay inside a bit. He needs some major coaching up, but he should get it in Pittsburgh. He will likely back-up the RG and RT position this year, eventually taking over for Darnell Stapleton. Great Pick.

3 (84) Mike Wallace, wr, Mississippi. – Wallace was a player the Steelers really like. He is someone I have been hyping as a sleeper since February. He has size and speed to be effective, and may even be a bit more polished than Limas Sweed. He has to stay healthy though, and will compete to be the #3 WR. Great Pick.

3 (96) Keenan Lewis, db, Oregon State. – I like Lewis in the Cover-2, but I am unsure how his speed will work in Pittsburgh. Even so, he will compete with Deshea Townsend and William Gay for the #2 spot on the team. He is very fluid and pretty polished. He should contribute for awhile. Good pick.

5 (168) Joe Burnett, db, UCF. – Burnett will be a returner almost off the bat, and may even compete at corner. He was a playmaker at UCF, but still very raw in his ability to cover big time wideouts. If Burnett gets some time to progress, he has the skills to be a good NFL corner. Good pick.

5 (169) Frank Summers, rb, UNLV. – A little early for a fullback who isn’t a big bodied blocker, but the Steelers do need a straight forward goal line runner and a guy who can catch the ball. Summers should make the team at least. Okay pick.

6 (205) Ra’Shon Harris, de, Oregon. – Sonny Harris is a developmental DE who could also bulk up and play NT if need be. He has great ability to eat up blocks, but not many skills past that. He’ll need progressing. Okay pick.

7 (226) A.Q. Shipley, c, Penn State. – Shipley should make the team as a back-up center. He is definitely undersized and doesn’t have the raw skill, but may remind some of a Mike Webster type of mean streak. He’ll fit in well. Excellent pick.

7 (241) Davis Johnson, te, Arkanas State. – Practice Squad developmental TE.


St. Louis – A – Call me crazy, but I really loved the Rams draft. Other than the lack of finding a true #2 WR, the Rams addressed every need they had, got three near instant starters, and are going to make a few strides to improve their team. Will they be much improved this year? Maybe not, but they are on the way.

– The Rams definitely needed a LT after oft-injured Orlando Pace was released. This had been their target since the end of last year’s draft. Jasn Smith, an ex-TE, is extremely athletic and can develop into a stud possible, so it was the best choice for them. Excellent Pick.

[b]2 (35) James Laurinaitis, lb, Ohio State. – There was a huge gapping hole at MLB with Will Witherspoon moving to the outside. James Laurinaitis should provide a tackle machine inside for St. Louis. Great pick.

3 (66) Bradley Fletcher, db, Iowa. – Fletcher’s value was right around the 3rd round, and the Rams corners were downright horrible last season. Fletcher is a very solid player. His weaknesses really are workable, and he is pretty outstanding. He could step into a #2 role immediately. Great pick.

4 (103) Dorell Scott, dt, Clemson. – This may have been a little early for Scott, but I am a fan of his. Yes, DT wasn’t a huge need, but they need some depth and someone who can rotate in. He should be able to utilize his talents at the NT or UT position for the Rams, and maybe max out his talents down the line. Good pick.

5 (160) Brooks Foster, wr, North Carolina. – The trifecta of the UNC WRs got picked by the Rams. Foster lands in an ideal situation, where he should compete for the slot job at least. He is raw, but like the other UNC WRs, he has some great ball tracking and natural catching skills. I think he is a wildcard this year. Great Pick.

6 (196) Keith Null, qb, West Texas A&M. – Hmmm, very interesting pick by the Rams. Keith Null obviously is a very raw QB who has some amazing natural skills. He is big, pretty fast, a great arm, and solid accuracy. A huge increase in competition will hold him off for awhile, but he is a good developmental guy. Oh, and he was coached up at WTA&M by Ryan Leaf. Solid pick.

7 (211) Chris Ogbonnaya, rb, Texas. – A change of pace back who may start on the practice squad, but be a nice 3rd down back down the line.


San Diego – B – I am not a huge fan of the Chargers draft, but they got some solid players that fit their system, so this draft could definitely look good down the line. Other than English though, the players just don’t really stand out to me, especially for a team that could have gone BPA and been fine.

1 (16) Larry English, lb, Northern Illinois. – A bit surprising, but they saw what happened when Merriman was out last year. English gives them some insurance to let Merriman go when needed, and he has the ability to be an elite 3-4 rush OLB, maybe the best out of this draft. Good pick.

3 (78) Louis Vasquez, g, Texas Tech. – I had Vasquez a bit lower on my board, but he can fit in with the Chargers. I am unsure if he can be a starter. He is extremely tough and aggressive, he just can get bowled over at times and will need some work to improve his footwork and balance. Okay pick.

4 (113) Vaughn Martin, dt, Western Ontario. – The first player to leave early from Canada to get to the NFL. He fits the mold of a 5-Tech DE, but is still raw and will definitely struggle against NFL tackles. That being said, the size and talent is there. A little early? Yes, but I do like the pick. Good pick.

4 (133) Tyrone Green, c, Auburn. – Green was a guard at Auburn who was highly touted coming into the season. He’ll likely play center and a utility role around the line. He never had the bulk most teams look for, but he plays tough and is athletic. Okay pick.

4 (134) Gartrell Johnson, rb, Colorado State. – I do like Gartrell, but I am unsure of the fit. I guess when LT is gone, Gartrell will be a power back next to Sproles? If Sproles stays? What about the failure of Jacob Hester? Lots of questions still, and the he was picked a bit high. Okay pick.

5 (148) Brandon Hughes, db, Oregon State. – Hughes would have been a very good pick in a zone scheme since he can’t man up too well. He plays well against the run, but I question if this was too high for him. Fair pick.

6 (189) Kevin Ellison, db, Southern Cal. – Ellison is a safety whose lack of fluidity and lack of speed would move him to linebacker. It is doubtful this would work in a 3-4 however, so I am interested to see where he fits. If he is in the game at SS, he likely will get torched. Poor pick.

7 (224) Demetrius Byrd, wr, LSU. – Now, this is a pick I really like. Byrd had a bad car accident that left him in critical condition. Before that, he was a 4th round pick or so. He has been upgraded to good condition and should be back in no time. I really think he will make the team and possible contribute sooner than expected. Excellent pick.


San Francisco – A- – I like what San Francisco did. They upgraded an offense that struggled last season, and got a few steals in later rounds. Tons of value picks, but I would have thought some type of pass rush would be added. Even so, I love the draft.

1 (10) Michael Crabtree, wr, Texas Tech. – Well, the team’s jaw dropped when Crabtree was there, and the fit is great. He adds a #1 option to pair with guys like Isaac Bruce, Brandon Jones, and Josh Morgan. If Crabtree can prove he can get separation, he could be an all-star. Excellent pick.

3 (74) Glen Coffee, rb, Alabama. – I do like Glen Coffee, but was surprised he was picked in the 3rd. That being said, he is young and raw, but will be a solid compliment to Frank Gore. I think he has some big untapped potential. Good pick.

5 (146) Scott McKillop, lb, Pittsburgh. – I love McKillop as a pure football player. I am unsure of his fit as a TED, but I think he will make it work. He likely will show up in the pre-season, but poor practices may hold him out. Great Pick.

5 (171) Nate Davis, qb, Ball State. – Nate Davis will need some developing and will be the 49ers 3rd QB or PS guy to start. He will need some time to learn the playbook and the team in general, but could definitely develop into a starter down the line. Great pick.

6 (184) Bear Pascoe, te, Fresno State. – Pascoe is one of those blocking specialists every team needs but they never get any press. Plus, named Bear, he should fit in with the 49ers. He will kick off as the #3 TE, but could get some playing time to block. Good pick.

7 (219) Curtis Taylor, db, LSU. – A nice value pick for the 49ers. He has some nice physical tools to work with. Pretty quick, big hitter, and he is a playmaker. If he can be coached up to his potential, he could become a starter. Upside pick. Great pick.

7 (244) Ricky Jean Francois, de, LSU. – Some thought Jean-Francois could have been a first round pick after the National Championship game two years back. He came out early, which was a mistake, but he does fit as a 5-tech player. He definitely will need some excellent coaching to be productive. His athleticism should get him on the practice squad and possibly have him see the field later. Great pick.


Seattle – B+ – Not only did Seattle have a solid draft, but they got a (possible) high first rounder next year from the Broncos. For a team that likely isn’t ALL that far from getting back to the playoffs, I do like the draft. I think some positions of need (LT, secondary, etc,) needed addressed and weren’t, but this draft does look good.

1 (4) Aaron Curry, lb, Wake Forest. – The Seahawks not only get Curry, but resign Leroy Hill to a lower contract, and possibly have the best LBs in the NFL. Curry can cover, make plays, and maybe rush the passer some. He should upgrade the defense a bit, and could be a DROTY candidate. Great pick.

2 (49) Max Unger, c, Oregon. – Lots of teams did want Unger, and were hoping he would fall. The versatility to play LG, C, RG, or RT makes him attractive. I don’t see him starting, but for a team with a ton of O-line injuries, he will play by the end of the year. Great pick.

3 (91) Deon Butler, wr, Penn State. – Butler not only has a ton of speed, but he was a go to guy for the Penn State offense on tough third downs. He adds a dimension to this offense that the Seahawks really don’t have, a vertical one. Maybe a little early since he has some issues, but a good pick.

6 (178) Mike Teel, qb, Rutgers. – This surprised the heck out of me. Mike Teel has no touch on his throws, and for a West Coast offense, that is crucial. Teel will likely be out of the league sooner rather than later. Poor pick.

7 (245) Courtney Greene, db, Rutgers. – Now this is a Rutgers pick I like. Greene is a solid in the box safety, maybe with as much upside as some 2nd round SS. Getting him in the 7th could be a steal and he can develop either via the Practice squad or as a reserve. Great pick.

7 (247) Nick Reed, de, Oregon. – A practice squad player who needs to improve on run defense to actually play.

7 (248) Cameron Morrah, te, California. – Another possible steal right here for Seattle. Morrah is a nice pass-catching TE who really shouldn’t have fallen to the 7th. The influx of TE talent pushed him down a bit, but he is a good route runner and if he improves his instincts, he could be a very solid #2 TE. Great pick.


Tampa Bay – B+ – I do think the Bucs did pretty well. They got a QB of the future, and beefed up their D-line play. I would have liked to see something on the secondary or LBs, but there just weren’t enough picks. All in all, solid draft.

1 (17) Josh Freeman, qb, Kansas State. – This is a guy they wanted from the start, and moved up so the Vikings couldn’t get him. Freeman could start by the end of the year, eventually replacing Leftwich there. He has some great physical tools, and I’m sure Raheem Morris sees what his friend Mike Tomlin has in Pittsburgh and hopes that is what he is getting. Good pick.

3 (81) Roy Miller, dt, Texas. – Roy Miller has some nice tools to work with and is a good fit in Tampa Bay. He is strong and can rush the passer despite not having ideal measureables. He could start as a rookie even in the right situation. Good pick.

4 (117) Kyle Moore, de, Southern Cal. – I’m a big Kyle Moore fan. Tough against the run, good character, and wasn’t asked to rush the passer, so he may even have those skills. The type of guy who will find a way to get it done. Great pick.

5 (155) Xavier Fulton, ot, Illinois. – Fulton should be a nice reserve OT for the Bucs, especially with the poor play of a few tackles. He is an athletic tackle who won’t maul anyone over, but may be a very good reserve at LT. I like the fit. Good pick.

7 (217) E.J. Biggers, db, Western Michigan. – A reserve corner who likely will sit on the practice squad for a bit first.

7 (233) Sammie Stroughter, wr, Oregon State. – This could be a real steal for the Bucs. Stroughter is on the short end, but he might be the most polished WR in this draft in terms of route running, vision, and hands. He can develop into a #4 or slot WR in time. Excellent pick.


Tennessee – A- – Tennessee had a draft that definitely looks great on paper. Some of the picks were a tad questionable or reaches to me, but they had a ton of picks and did very well as a whole.

1 (30) Kenny Britt, wr, Rutgers. – Britt is a big WR who could develop into a #1 guy. Though I am not a big fan of him personally, he does fit in Tennessee. He likely will start as a rookie next to Nate Washington. Good pick.

2 (62) Sen’Derrick Marks, dt, Auburn. – I think this was a little high for the overrated Marks. He came out early, which now seems like a mistake, and he isn’t polished enough to start yet. Once again though, a good fit. Okay pick.

3 (89) Jared Cook, te, South Carolina. – For a team that used their TEs more than their WRs, Cook will fit in nicely. Even if the team keeps Scaife, Cook can line up in the slot, and was once compared to Calvin Johnson. Though the comparison isn’t apt anymore, Cook is big, physical and a deep threat. Excellent pick.

3 (94) Ryan Mouton, db, Hawaii. – I definitely believe this was early for Mouton, but there were a few teams that liked his physical tools. He is small, but he is a returner and can make some big plays. He will need some time before starting at corner. Solid Pick.

4 (130) Gerald McRath, lb, Southern Miss. – McRath had some injury issues that knocked him down, but he was extremely productive and a tough tackler. He is another guy who fits well with the Titans defense, and may push Tulloch a bit at MLB down the line. Great pick.

4 (135) Troy Kropog, ot, Tulane. – Kropog is an athletic OT who can back-up the LT spot for the Titans and eventually start there. He needs to add some strength, but he has some outstanding attributes that make him an ideal LT, and a steal in the 4th. Excellent pick.

5 (173) Javon Ringer, rb, Michigan State. – The team saw what happens to their offense when Tennesspeed went down in the playoffs. It dies. Ringer was productive in college, but doesn’t profile as a top NFL RB. Add in wear on the tires, and he won’t see the field too much, but is good insurance. Fine pick.

6 (203) Jason McCourty, db, Rutgers. – McCourty is a corner who is nothing more than a speed guy, though he is fairly fluid. He has all those tools you look for, but he has trouble matching up with wideouts. He will be a developmental guy. Good pick.

6 (206) Dominique Edison, wr, S. F. Austin. – I like Edison as a developing WR who a team can bring along slowly, teach the ropes, and eventually get him to a starting role, similar to what the Steelers did with Nate Washington. He is big and fast, but needs work on those routes and needs to get physical. Good pick.

7 (239) Ryan Durand, g, Syracuse. – A practice squad reserve guard who may not make the team.

7 (242) Nick Schommer, db, N. Dakota State. – A typical pet project a team takes at the end of the draft. Practice Squad guy.


Washington – B – Washington took some chances in their draft, and I don’t see anything outstanding here. Brian Orakpo was good value, but he does have a risk factor, but their O-line is still messy, and I am unsure how this helps them much.

1 (13) Brian Orakpo, de, Texas. – The value here is great, there is no denying that, and I like the fit too. If Orakpo can stay healthy and add to his pass rush repetoire, he could be an amazing player. He’ll likely need some work still though. Great pick.

3 (80) Kevin Barnes, db, Maryland. – Barnes is a very intelligent player who has some intriguing skills to work with. Corner depth was an issue, and the Redskins don’t need strong corners to work in their system. If he gets his footwork down pat, he could start down the line. Good pick.

5 (158) Cody Glenn, lb, Nebraska. – Let’s see, the Redskins draft a guy who got kicked off of his team and likely won’t pass the character test in the NFL. Add on his injury issues, and you have a guy who has great ability, but may end up a waste of a 5th round pick. Fair pcik.

6 (186) Robert Henson, lb, TCU. – The Redskins did need to add depth to their Linebackers, and Henson is solid depth. He will likely not be able to start during his career, but will be a nice back-up. Solid pick.

7 (221) Eddie Williams, rb, Idaho. – A 7th round flyer on a FB isn’t a bad gig, but Williams tore his ACL and won’t play much. Likely end up on the Practice Squad for now.

7 (243) Marko Mitchell, wr, Nevada. – After drafting some raw WRs last year, the Redskins grab another. Marko Mitchell does have some skills though, and I think his big upside could show things down the line. Great pick.

SuperMcGee
04-30-2009, 10:48 PM
You don't compete with Ko Simpson. You just effortlessly pass him on the depth chart.
Bryan Scott is above Ko, anyway.
Grade seems a little high for me, but I have big questions with Maybin.

Shane P. Hallam
04-30-2009, 10:51 PM
You don't compete with Ko Simpson. You just effortlessly pass him on the depth chart.
Bryan Scott is above Ko, anyway.
Grade seems a little high for me, but I have big questions with Maybin.

I just really like the fit. Put him in washington or in a 3-4, I'd knock Maybin a lot more, but we'll see.

And really, grades can't be too low. Every team has added some talent, and how they will work out is never clear, so I don't think any team can fail a draft when analyzing it only a week out.

toonsterwu
04-30-2009, 11:59 PM
as you know bond, i read over it. solid stuff, and obviously, i've told you most of my comments on it. off to finish the other thing.

Donno
05-01-2009, 12:00 AM
Whats worse than an F for the Raiders?

CC.SD
05-01-2009, 01:06 AM
How are people so down on Kevin Ellison, he's a sixth round pick who will be playing dime package linebacker for us. With a reputation for being a leader, student of the game, and fierce hitter, plus he's bigger than Donnie Edwards ever was. For a team that got carved up over the middle, that's a very nifty pick in the sixth.

It's already been stated he won't be playing at SS.

49ersfan_87
05-01-2009, 12:47 PM
San Francisco – A- – I like what San Francisco did. They upgraded an offense that struggled last season, and got a few steals in later rounds. Tons of value picks, but I would have thought some type of pass rush would be added. Even so, I love the draft.

1 (10) Michael Crabtree, wr, Texas Tech. – Well, the team’s jaw dropped when Crabtree was there, and the fit is great. He adds a #1 option to pair with guys like Isaac Bruce, Brandon Jones, and Josh Morgan. If Crabtree can prove he can get separation, he could be an all-star. Excellent pick.

3 (74) Glen Coffee, rb, Alabama. – I do like Glen Coffee, but was surprised he was picked in the 3rd. That being said, he is young and raw, but will be a solid compliment to Frank Gore. I think he has some big untapped potential. Good pick.

5 (146) Scott McKillop, lb, Pittsburgh. – I love McKillop as a pure football player. I am unsure of his fit as a TED, but I think he will make it work. He likely will show up in the pre-season, but poor practices may hold him out. Great Pick.

5 (171) Nate Davis, qb, Ball State. – Nate Davis will need some developing and will be the 49ers 3rd QB or PS guy to start. He will need some time to learn the playbook and the team in general, but could definitely develop into a starter down the line. Great pick.

6 (184) Bear Pascoe, te, Fresno State. – Pascoe is one of those blocking specialists every team needs but they never get any press. Plus, named Bear, he should fit in with the 49ers. He will kick off as the #3 TE, but could get some playing time to block. Good pick.

7 (219) Curtis Taylor, db, LSU. – A nice value pick for the 49ers. He has some nice physical tools to work with. Pretty quick, big hitter, and he is a playmaker. If he can be coached up to his potential, he could become a starter. Upside pick. Great pick.

7 (244) Ricky Jean Francois, de, LSU. – Some thought Jean-Francois could have been a first round pick after the National Championship game two years back. He came out early, which was a mistake, but he does fit as a 5-tech player. He definitely will need some excellent coaching to be productive. His athleticism should get him on the practice squad and possibly have him see the field later. Great pick.


Appreciate the feedback, JBond. Im also excited about a couple of UDFA's, Kory Sheets and Alex Boone. Sheets could be that nice speed back to compliment Gore and Coffee and Boone could be a decent developmental prospect. Being optimistic, i think this draft will produce 2 starters down the line (McKillop, Crabtree) but Pascoe, Francois, and Coffee all have chances to make an impact through rotational play, as well as ST's for Taylor. Nate Davis is a wildcard. I like the kid and apparently the 49ers FO thought his on the field play was very good, almost like a 1st rounder i think i remember reading. He was vouched for by our QB coach too so i cant wait to see what happens with him.

Flyboy
05-01-2009, 12:50 PM
Saints picks:
1(14) Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio State
I was okay with the pick but I still feel we could have traded down a bit futher and still have gotten him. That was kinda vital with the 4 picks we had in total.
Grade:B
4(116) Chip Vaughn S Wake Forrest
At first I was a bit suprised by this pick but after thinking about it I was still suprised. Our need for a safety is at free safety not at strong safete. The kid has the speed to make the transition maybe but its difficult. Valuewise the pick was okay but far from stunning.
Grade B-
4(118) Stanley Arnoux LB Wake Forrest
I was baffled when I read this pick. Big reach on a pure inside linebacker. I dont like to force this guy to transition to WILL but that is what we need to do to make this a usefull pick. There were many better linebackers on the board when this pick was made.
Grade: D-
5(164) Thomas Morstead P S.M.U.
This pick made me wanna kill Mickey Loomis. Besides the fact that you dont trade up for a punter, nor do you pick one in the fifth nor did we need one he was just flat out bad value and the trade didnt even have good value. Seriously what was Mickey thinking when he did this.
Grade: Millen(equals ZZZZZ--------)
UDFA(thusfar): Jonathan Cassilas, Cedric Dockery, Augustus Parrish, Chris Vaughn and Darry Gorrer.
I love the signing of Casillas and Parrish who in my opinion were 2 of the best 20ish players left after the draft. I dont see gorrer making the team but the other four could easily happen

Overall grade: D+

Lawlz. Some people... *shakes head*

Gay Ork Wang
05-01-2009, 12:56 PM
The Bears are trying to play Lance Louis as a guard apparently

Geo
05-01-2009, 12:57 PM
I seriously doubt the Saints could have traded down from #14 and still drafted Malcolm Jenkins. Word was he wasn't going to get past Houston at #15, for crying out loud.

Flyboy
05-01-2009, 01:25 PM
I seriously doubt the Saints could have traded down from #14 and still drafted Malcolm Jenkins. Word was he wasn't going to get past Houston at #15, for crying out loud.

People make me lawlz. Fans were DYING for us to trade down to acquire picks. Um, you have to have a trading partner to accomplish that first of all. Had Jenkins not been there (say he went to GB or something), then if we couldn't have traded down we'd have taken Beanie Wells at 14 considering that we were trying to trade up with teams (specifically the Pats) two minutes after we drafted Jenkins.

wicket
05-01-2009, 01:34 PM
People make me lawlz. Fans were DYING for us to trade down to acquire picks. Um, you have to have a trading partner to accomplish that first of all. Had Jenkins not been there (say he went to GB or something), then if we couldn't have traded down we'd have taken Beanie Wells at 14 considering that we were trying to trade up with teams (specifically the Pats) two minutes after we drafted Jenkins.

we would have taken cushing and you already asked for the link to the article and both me and another guy gave you the link. You can almost always trade down as long as you are willing to take lesser value (according to the trade value chart).
But overall I am not dissatisfied with the jenkins pick. I just dont like Sean Payton playing him at corner which he told that he wanted to do.
What grades would you give our draft then btw?

Poz51
05-04-2009, 12:15 PM
Like others, I can't figure out what their plan is at LT, but the draft as a whole looks really good.

I could not agree more, I thought Chambers has been less than stellar when in the game, not horrible, but definetly not a long term anything, Bell is a total unknown, I think not picking Oher was a huge mistake... Wood (who is gonna be a fan favorite, and huge upgrade) and Levitre (upgrade) were good picks, Nelson will diversify and open up the offense, I can see Harris working out, and Byrd is up in the air... I thought it was a really good draft none the less for the Bills who if the line works out (Walker to LT and Butler on the Right) could have a real shot at contending, granted Maybin also provides a pass rush...
:eek:

wonderbredd24
05-04-2009, 12:31 PM
Worst pick: David Veikune- I just think he is a workout warrior and will not pan out in the NFL.

Nothing says workout warrior like a 4.87 40

dongarisano
05-05-2009, 05:00 AM
Pats did pretty solid. I like Chung a lot. He's a big hitter and a solid rover. Give him a couple years, I'm excited.

Check this draft piece out I found on this funny blog. Kiper v. McShay. So so funny.

http://popcornmuscles.com/2009/04/mel/

Shane P. Hallam
05-05-2009, 10:45 AM
How are people so down on Kevin Ellison, he's a sixth round pick who will be playing dime package linebacker for us. With a reputation for being a leader, student of the game, and fierce hitter, plus he's bigger than Donnie Edwards ever was. For a team that got carved up over the middle, that's a very nifty pick in the sixth.

It's already been stated he won't be playing at SS.

Really? Cause he is competing for the starting SS job :P

roscoesdad27
05-09-2009, 06:51 PM
NFC North

Detriot...B...didnt get a c.b. or o.g.....missed on oher.

1a) M. Stafford...A+...great pick, franchise q.b. who's arm compliments calvin johnson's downfield game to perfection.
1b) B. Pettigrew...A-...very good pick and he fits the power run/playaction schme to perfection but they shouldnt have passed on oher imho.
2) L. Delmas...C+...solid pick but i think laurinitis or butler would have been much better...delmas will bring some leadership to the defense thou.
3a) D. Levy...D- ...reach plus the need was at mlb to my understanding.
3b) D. Williams...A+...excellent pick that fills needs at #2/slot reciever, return specialist, 3rd down/change of pace r.b. and a potential wildcat q.b.
4) S.L. Hill...B-...solid pick but hill is more of a n.t. and i thought the need was at u.t. considering the redding trade....either way i dont see how they could possibly pass on duke robinson here considering their offensive scheme.
6) A. Brown...C-
7a) L. Murtha...C+
7b) Z. Follet...C+
7c) D. Gronkowski...D+

Chicago...C+...didnt get r.t. or starting caliber d.e.

3a) J. Gilbert...A-...not a huge need but tremendous value here...m. johnson would have been a better pick and would have filled a more presing need but again gilbert is tremendous value here.
3b) J. Iglesuis...A+...perfect pick in this spot and should become a steady but unspectacular target, just what the bears need.
4a) H. Melton...C-...reach but does fill a need...d. robinson, l. sidbury and f. tupou would have been much better.
4b) D. J. Moore...B...great value but c.b. wasnt much of a need, very good pick non the less.
5a) J. Knox...D...w.r. is a need but i cant see how they pass duke here.
5b) M. Freeman...B-...solid pick and very good value, fits the scheme very well but again i dont see how they pass duke
6) A. Aflava...C
7a) L. Louis...C
7b) D. Kinder...C

Minn...B+...filled most needs but should have got a d.t. and maybe a t.e.

1) P. Harvin...A-...great pick and will keep opposing defenses from smothering peterson with attention but they still should have picked oher imho.
2) P. Loadholt...A+...perfect selection and makes up for not getting oher in round 1...will help make the right side of the o.l. formidable which could lead to a big year for peterson.
3) A. Allen...B...fills a big need at good value but i think macho would have been a much better pick and he fits the scheme better.
5) J. Brinkly...C+...great value but doesnt fit the scheme very well and is the same type player as e.j. henderson which makes him a lil redundant....not sure how he fits in the 4-3 either...one of the t.e.'s would have been a better pick imho.
7) J. Sanford...C

G.B....A-...filled most needs but didnt get a starting caliber 3-4 d.e. or a true r.b. to push grant...GREAT draft thou.

1a) B.J. Raji...A+...will work in behind pickett but will soon become your starter and franchise n.t. for the next 10 years or so...GREAT pick
1b) C. Matthews...A...great pick but i thought everette brown would have been slightly better.
4) T. Lang...B...fills a need at r.t. but i feel kropog would have ben slightly better.
5a) Q. Johnson...C-...a true r.b. like ringer or davis would have been MUCH better and could have pushed grant for starting time...macho would have been nice too.
5b) J. Meredith...B...fits the scheme well at great value and provies good depth but an interior linemen would have filled a bigger need...good pick thou.
6a) J. Wynn...B-...will need to put on a lil weight to play 3-4 d.e. but in the mean ti9me he will rotate in on passing downs and he does fill a need.
6b) B. Underwood...B...will provide depth and has the size to play your bump and run system
7) B. Jones...D+..doesnt fit the 3-4 in any way

more to come.

Mr.Regular
05-09-2009, 07:05 PM
The reason Green Bay didn't draft a RB is because they felt strongly that Tyrell Sutton would go undrafted and part of their pitch to him was that they wouldn't take someone else at his position on draft day.

And Brad Jones was drafted to be a special teams ace, which we could really use after we cut Tracy White.... and I think he does have some 34 backer potential down the road.

roscoesdad27
05-09-2009, 07:58 PM
NFC East


Washington...C...didnt address the o.l. at any level but orakpo was very nice.

1) B. Orakpo...A+...fills a need and has the power to be a lethal l.e. accross from carter.
3) K. Barnes...B-...solid pick esp. with the departure of springs but an o.l. like luigis, tupuo and esp. duke would have been a much better pick imho....a starting quality olb like mcrath or tyrone mckenzie would have been much better as well.
5) C. Glenn...C-...olb is a need but this guy was a huge reach, an o.l. would have been MUCH better like duke or tupuo.
6) R. Henderson...C-...some depth at mlb is needed but not nearly as much as help on the o.l.
7a) E. Williams...C-
7b) M. Mitchell...D...why not cadogen here?...w.r. was addressed last year i thought.

Philly...A+...filled all needs at tremendous value and added some depth as well.

1) J. Maclin...A+...will give the eagles the fastest starting w.r. duo in the league along with rookie sensation desean jackson and was great value at this selection....mcnabb should have a huge year.
2) L. McCoy...A+...tremendous value and fits your scheme to perfection, will provide very high quaility depth behind westbrook and will push for starting time in a year....LOVE the pick.
5a) C. Ingram...A...another pick at tremendous value that fills a major need.
5b) V. Harris...B...not sure if he can play corner in your scheme but if not he could develope into a safety...very good value and a natural playmaker.
5c) F. Tupuo...A-...very good value that provides excellent depth at both o.t. spots...could push for starting time at r.t. in a year or two...duke would have been a slightly better pick.
6) B. Gibson...C-
7a) P. Fanakia...C
7b) M. Fokuo...C

Giants...A...very good draft but i would have liked to see them get some interior o.l. help and a safety to partner with phillips.

1) H. Nicks...A...i think britt would have been a better pick and replacement for plax but nicks is VERY good.
2a) C. Sintim...A+...perfect fit for your scheme at good value, will push for starting time day 1.
2b) W. Beatty...A+...tremendous value that will provide excellent depth while developing into your future franchise left tackle.
3a) R. Barden...B-...solid pick and will help ease the loss of plax but i think one of the stud recieving t.e.'s like j. cook or s. nelson would have been better.
3b) T. Beckum...B+...great pick and will fill your need as a recievig t.e. if he can stay healthy but i think shawn nelson would have been better.
4) A. Brown...B...solid pick and could keep the 3 headed running attack going but duke robinson would have been better.
5) R. Bomar...B-...i like this pick but duke would have been much better.
6) D. Wright...C-
7) S. Woodson...D+

Dallas...D+...didnt get a w.r. or starting caliber ilb or o.l. and made some major reaches.

3a) J. Williams...D-...i'm sure they plan on using him at the ilb spot but i dont know why they would pass on J. Brinkley who fits the 3-4 MUCH better and is used to the position for a win now team like dallas....a w.r., the aforementioned brinkly and duke robinson would have been much better picks as would have a q.b. to backup romo or a safety.
3b) R. Brewster...D...a reach esp. with better players available at more needed positions.
4a) S. McGhee...B-...i like the pick but i think he could have been had a round later or with one of the lower 4th round picks...duke would've fit their system to perfection.
4b) V. Butler...D-
4c) B. Williams...C-
5a) D. Smith...C+
5b) M. Hamlin...A...love the pick, he fills a need at great value
5c) D. Bueheler...B+...i like this pick
6a) S. Hodge...C
6b) J. Phillips...C-
7a) M. Mickins...A+...love this pick, the boys got a steal here that could be a great nickel corner with the potential to be a starter.
7b) M. Johnson...B...finally get a w.r.

roscoesdad27
05-09-2009, 08:04 PM
The reason Green Bay didn't draft a RB is because they felt strongly that Tyrell Sutton would go undrafted and part of their pitch to him was that they wouldn't take someone else at his position on draft day.

And Brad Jones was drafted to be a special teams ace, which we could really use after we cut Tracy White.... and I think he does have some 34 backer potential down the road.

1) i dont like that they passed on javon ringer or james davis despite the sutton promise....both of those guys could have pushed grant for starting time.

2) brad may be a nice special teamer but at 235 pounds he has no future as a 3-4 line backer.

roscoesdad27
05-09-2009, 09:04 PM
NFC South


N.O. ...C...they filled their biggest need at great value with a guy that could excel at that position but didnt get a quality olb or a power back to compliment bush.

1) M. Jenkins...A+...i had free safety as the #1 need and jenkins could be an ed reed caliber player there IF he doesnt develope into a true #1 c.b.
4a) C. Vaughn...C-...strong safety is good value here but i dont see where he fits...harper is a very good young strong safety, jenkins could be an all pro free safety and darren sharper was brought in...gerald mcrath or marcus freeman would have been much better and ideal at wlb or a power r.b. like james davis or even jennings
4b) S. Arnoux..C-...a bad reach considering freeman and mcrath are on the board along with some quality big r.b.'s
5) T. Morstead...C-..decent pick if they need a punter that bad but some good power backs were available

T.B. ...B-...i dont like the freeman pick or that they didnt get a starting caliber w.r. but the rest of the picks were VERY solid.

1) J. Freeman...B-...solid pick and they get their guy but i would have grabbed jeremy maclin there because he fits the west coast scheme MUCH better...leftwich or griese would have been fine this year and next years class is loaded for west coast q.b.'s....maclin would have been tremendous.
3) R. Miller...A...love the pick...miller will bring some much needed size and strength to the position plus he can penetrate well which makes him a nice fit for the scheme.
4) K. Moore...B+...sidbury would have been a better pick but moore does fill a need and fits the position quite well
5) X. Fulton...B...good value but a d.b. or w.r. would have been better
7a) E. Biggers...C+
7b) S. Stroughter...B...i like this pick.

Atlanta...B+...very good draft but failed to address olb

1) P. Jerry...A-...the need was more at n.t. and jerry is more of an u.t. but he is much more stout than his size would suggest...i would have slightly preferred ziggy hood.
2) W. Moore...A+...love the pick and feel moore could be the steal of the draft, fits your scheme to perfection at strong safety and will replace lawson.
3) C. Owens...C...fills a need but is a reach plus i dont like that you guys passed on better prospects at positions that are needed just as much like mckenzie at olb and shawn nelson at t.e.
4) L. Sidbury...A-...love the pick and he will fit right into a talented rotation at d.e. for the falcons.
5a) W. Middleton...D-...bad reach esp. considering you went c.b. in the third...olb marcus freeman or a t.e. like ingram would have been MUCH better.
5b) G. Reynolds...C...a backup r.t. is needed but tupuo would have been much better.
6) S. Adkins...C+...could provide much needed depth at olb
7) V. Walker...A...local kid could prove to be a steal and will be great for rotation.

Carolina...C+...love the brown pick but hate giving up a first rounder, didnt get a t.e. and i think d.t. should have been addressed a round earlier.

2a) E. Brown...A-...tremendous value but i dont like that they gave up a first rounder in next years loaded class to get him even thou he is the best pure pass rusher in the draft.
2b) S. Martin...D-...a reach plus i feel better players at more need positions like s. marks at d.t. or a few t.e.'s would have been MUCH better picks
3) C. Irvin...B...i like the pick and he fills a need but i would have preferred coffman or nelson at t.e.
4a) M. Goodson...D-...why pass shawn nelson for a player that will be lost in the depth chart?
4b) T. Fiametta...C-...a t.e. would have been better.
5) D. Robinson...A+...steal of the draft and fits your system to perfection.
7) C. Munnerlyn...A-...will have a better chance at seeing playing time than martin imho...great value

roscoesdad27
05-09-2009, 09:44 PM
nfc west

Rams...B+...would have liked to seen w.r. addressed earlier and a safety picked up.

1) J. Smith...A...everybody know i would have went andre smith but jason is still a very good pick that fills the #1 need
2) J. Laurinitis..A...great pick but i would have slightly preferred rey rey.
3) B. Fletcher...C-...huge reach but does fill a need..a w.r. or safety would have been much better.
4) D. Scott...B-...i love scott but louis murphy or chip vaughn would have been better.
5) B. Foster...C+ reach but does fill a need, would have liked michale hamlin much better.
6) K. Null...C
7) C. Ogbunnaya...C

S.F. ...C...solid draft but didnt address huge holes at r.t. and olb plus didnt get a c.b. or n.t.

1) M. Crabtree...A+...the best w.r. in the draft will help whoever the q.b. may be.
3) G. Coffee...B...will be a nice backup to gore but i would have slightly preferred tupuo here or james davis as a r.b....very good pick thou.
5a) S. McKillop...C-...mckillop is tremendous value here but he doest fit what the 9'ers need at ilb imho because he is more of a feature guy like p willi...a n.t., r.t. or c.b. would have been much better.
5b) N. Davis...A.-..REALLY like this pick.
6) B. Pascoe...C-
7a) C. Taylor...C-
7b) R. J. Francios...B...i think he will be agreat fit at 3-4 d.e. and will see the field very often this year.

Arizona...A- ...very good draft thou i would have liked center and 3-4 d.e. addressed earlier.

1) C. Wells...A+...fills a need at tremendous value, best r.b. in this class imho.
2) C. Brown...A...fills a need at good value
3) R. Johnson...C-...very good value but i ont know where he fits with rolle and wilson back there...luigis would have been much better.
4) G. Toler...D...3-4 d.e. or center would have been much better.
5) H. Johnson...A...love this pick...johnson compliments wells to perfection and will give the cards a strong running game to compliment the passing game.
6) W. Davis...C+
7a) L.S. Howling...C-
7b) T. Canfield...B...like this pick and feel he could play center.

Sea...B...love the draft but wish they would have got a true l.t. early.

1) A. Curry...A...love curry but would have slightly rather seen the hawks go with andre smith or eugene monroe here.
2) M. Unger...B-...i love unger and realize he has the potential to play l.t. but beatty would have been a perfect fit and is a true left tackle with franchise potential.
3) D. Butler...A-..i love butler and feel he could have an eddie royal type rookie season
6) M. Teel...A-...love the pick and he fits the system very well
7a) C. Greene...B+ ...love the pick, greene is underated imho
7b) N. Reed...C-
7c) C. Morrah...C-

Flippityskip91
05-10-2009, 10:40 AM
Nothing says workout warrior like a 4.87 40

Same thing I was thinking when I read that. He isn't extremely gifted by any standards, so hmm. Intense, competitive, hard-worker.

mqtirishfan
05-10-2009, 11:14 AM
2) brad may be a nice special teamer but at 235 pounds he has no future as a 3-4 line backer.

240 pound Clay Matthews = 3-4 OLB
235 pound Brad Jones = not 3-4 OLB

Gay Ork Wang
05-10-2009, 11:37 AM
your assessment of the bears draft is horrible

roscoesdad27
05-10-2009, 12:30 PM
AFC East

Bills...B...good draft but i wish they would have gotten a l.t.

1a) A. Maybin...A-...i would have preferred orakpo or oher but maybin is a very good pick.
1b) E. Wood...A-...ruged player that fills a need at center or guard but beatty would have been a better pick
2a) J. Byrd...D...doesnt fit at c.b. after his very slow time at the pro day but could possibly play safety, either way a major reach imho esp. with better prospects at need postions available like beatty.
2b) A. Levitre...C+...o.g. is a need but not so much after getting wood in round 1, i'm sure levitre/wood will be plugged in at o.g./c in some kind of combo but again i dont agree with pasing on beatty.
4) S. Nelson...A+...fills a need at tremendous value.
5) N. Harris...C...i think he can make a good wlb but it will take some time to develope into this new position...marcus freeman would have been muh better.
6) C. Harris...C
7) E. Lankster...D...why not take a chance on cadogen

N.E. ...B-...as much as i love mckenzie he desnt fit as a "ted" ilb or rush olb like the pats needed...solid draft non the less

2a) P. Chung...B...a bit of a reach but safety is a need, i think they should have chosen rey rey there.
2b) R. Brace...A-...very good pick and will give the team some leverage with wilfork being in a contract year.
2c) D. Butler...A+...fills a need at great value
2d) S. Vollmer...C+...i would have went with cody brown or jasper brinkly but r.t. is a need...a bit of a reach thou
3a) B. Tate...A-...fills a need at decent value but i would have went with brinkly
3b) T. Mckenzie...B-...i'm assuming he will be playing ilb alongside mayo but i dont understand why they wouldnt take brinkly here who would have been a much better fit...love the value thou.
4) R. Ohrnberger...D...bad reach esp. with brinkly STILL on the board....duke would have been MUCH better as well
5) G. Bussey...C-
6a) J. Ingram...C-
6b) M. Pryor...B+...really like this pick and along with brace thi will give the pats alot of options with wilfork after this season...i think pryor rotates in and gets just as much playing time as brace...great value
7a) J. Edleman...C
7b) D. Richard...C+...could provide some nice depth at d.e.

Miami...B...good draft but i would have liked to see them get an olb, a "ted" ilb and a back up n.t.

1) V. Davis...A+...lock down corner potential at great value.
2a) P. White...A-...can potentially turn the wildcat from a gadget offense to a legit offense but i feel they could have got him a pick later and went with sintim or barwin
2c) S. Smith...A+...tremendous value and can start at safety and play corner against bigger recievers like t.o. who's now in the division...love the pick.
3) P. Turner...B...a bit of a reach but his size compliments ginn jr. very well...i would have went with iglesuis.
4) B. Hartline...B-...solid pick but i dont like them passing on brinkly here who fits the 3-4 to perfection.
5a) J. Nalbone...C-
5b) C. Clemons...C
6) A. Gardner...B-...like the value
7) J. Folsom...C

Jets...B-...as much as i love sanchez and even shonn greene the jets failed in round 3 to get a d.e. or a w.r.

1) M. Sanchez...A+...gotta love getting a franchise caliber q.b.
3) S. Greene...C-...i feel jones and washington would have been good enough to get thru this year and i dont see how they passed jaron gilbert.
6) M. Slauson...C-

roscoesdad27
05-10-2009, 12:31 PM
your assessment of the bears draft is horrible

oh really...how so?

dcarey20
05-10-2009, 12:31 PM
Baltimore Ravens

Michael Oher, Offensive Tackle, Ole Miss, 1st round, 23rd overall: I loved this pick. Oher was around 11 or 12 on my board, and a consensus top 15 pick. You can always improve the offensive line, and Oher gives us a legitimate right tackle for the future. Gaither and Oher should be an outstanding duo for protecting Flacco, and in a division that has the Steelers and guys like LaMarr Woodley and James Harrison, this pick is huge for us.

Paul Kruger, Defensive End, Utah, 2nd round, 57th overall: Another pick I was happy about. Kruger is a prospect that I had mentioned as someone that I wanted for us. I'm a firm believer that you can't really have too many pass rushers, and Kruger should be able to contribute in multiple ways. He's a tough, high motor guy, and it's always good to have guys like that around.

Lardarius Webb, Defensive Back, Nicholls State, 3rd round, 88th overall: Another guy that will provide some great versatility for us. Lean, athletic who I feel has alot of potential. Can also return kick. Early on he probably won't have much of an impact as a corner, but should be a special teams contributor in the return game and on kick coverages. Intriguing prospect and as I said, IMO he could be a big time player.

Jason Phillips, Inside Linebacker, TCU, 4th round, 137th overall: This guy really personifies what you look for in a Ravens defender, and what you need to compete with physical teams like Pittsburgh. Tough, hard-nosed, works hard. At 137 he was just a very good value pick, and like Kruger and Webb, should provide great depth and special teams ability.

Davon Drew, Tight End, East Carolina, 5th round, 149th overall: This was the only pick of our draft that was a bit of a head scratcher for me, but the more I learned about Drew, the more I liked it. Drew seems like someone who was just one of Ozzie Newsome's "guys". Led East Carolina in receiving yards last season and seems to have some outstanding upside.

Cedric Peerman, Running Back, Virginia, 6th round, 185th overall: Great way to end the draft IMHO. Was a bit of a late bloomer with the Cavaliers, but had a great senior campaign and has a favorable skillset. Ran the top 40 out of all the backs at the combine, can catch the ball out of the backfield, and has some nice bulk to him. Has a decent shot to make the team as a third tailback, and with Le'Ron McClain possibly going back to being more of a traditional fullback, Peerman is in an ok spot. Can also contribute on special teams, something the Ravens clearly favor.

Overall

I really, really liked what the Ravens did. This is a typical Ozzie Newsome draft IMO. One of those drafts that wasn't flashy at all, but we got players who are tough, hard working, and will contribute in multiple ways.

SuperMcGee
05-10-2009, 01:06 PM
AFC East
2b) A. Levitre...C+...o.g. is a need but not so much after getting wood in round 1, i'm sure levitre/wood will be plugged in at o.g./c in some kind of combo but again i dont agree with pasing on beatty.

5) N. Harris...C...i think he can make a good wlb but it will take some time to develope into this new position...marcus freeman would have been muh better.

Wood and Levitre will both play guard. We like Hangartner as our center.

We try the same Harris experiment all the time. Usually gives us a STer and depth LB. He doesn't seem too excited about the switch. He'll jumble in with the rest of our depth guys, I don't expect too much out of this.

I disagree about Beatty being a better pick than Wood at 28. At the Levitre spot I might not. Sticking it out for now with Walker at LT and Butler/Chambers on the right... ehhhh. We'll see, though. I'm still excited for what Levitre gives us on the line. But we'll probably have to look at tackle next year.

roscoesdad27
05-10-2009, 01:13 PM
AFC South

Houston...C+...didnt address corner or safety early enough and failed to get a power back to compliment slaton

1) B. Cushing...A...I would have slightly preferred vontae davis here but cushing is an excellent pick.
2) C. Barwin...B...i would have snatched up sean smith here but barwin will be a great fit at r.e. opposite super mario and antonio smith is more of a l.e. as well...solid pick
3) A. Caldwell...C-...rugged player that can play o.g. or center but i would have easily went with rashad johnson or a corner for help in the secondary.
4a) G. Quinn...C-...a reach that fills a need but it make me wonder even more why they didnt take rashad johnson in round 3.
4b) A. Hill...D-...a reach and i dont know why corner hasnt been addressed yet...a power back to compliment slaton would have also been MUCH better.
5) J. Casey...C...better than hill but why take 2 t.e.'s with the need at corner and good powerbacks still available?
6) B. McCain...C...finally get a corner but mickins would have been MUCH better.
7) T. Nolan...C-

Jax...A-...filled all major needs.

1) E. Monroe...A...good value at a need spot but i would have slightly preferred crabtree
2) E. Britton...B+...good pick but i would have preferred d. butler or ron brace.
3a) T. Knighton...C+...reach but does fill a major need...i would have went with derrick williams or a corner.
3b) D. Cox...C...major reach with better c.b.'s on the board and w.r.'s like barden or williams.
4) M. Thomas...B+...reciever is a need and this is good value here
5) J. Dilliard...A...love the pick
6) Z. Miller...C-
7a) R. Jennings...A...love this pick...great value and he compliments mjd very well
7b) T. Underwood...B...very good pick and excellent value

Tennessee...A....great draft, only thing missing was a d.e.

1) K. Britt...A+...exactly what they need.
2) S. Marks...A+...fills a need at great value
3a) J. Cook...A+...fills a need at great value
3b) R. Mouton...B...would have preferred d.j. moore but he does fill a need
4a) G. McRath...A...great value
4b) T. Kropog...C+...decent value but would have liked to seen them get a d.e. here.
5) J. Ringer...B...good value and will give the team some leverage being that lendale is in a contract year.
6a) J. McCourty...C-
6b) D. Edison...C
7a) R. Durand...C-
7b) N. Schommer...C

Indy...B-...didnt like the first rounder or that they didnt pick up a l.b. but it was still a solid draft

1) D. Brown...B-...didnt like the pick esp. with wells on the board and bigger needs at d.t. and w.r....i would have went with ziggy hood
2) F. Moala...A...great pick but i slightly preferred senderrick marks
3) J. Powers...B...a bit of a reach but a solid pick
4a) A. Collie...A...love the pick
4b) T. Taylor...A-...very good pick
6) C. Painter...B-...good value and can be groomed for the future.
7a) P. McAfee...C
7b) J. Thomas...c

Mr. Hero
05-10-2009, 01:31 PM
NFC East

Giants...A...very good draft but i would have liked to see them get some interior o.l. help and a safety to partner with phillips.

1) H. Nicks...A...i think britt would have been a better pick and replacement for plax but nicks is VERY good.
2a) C. Sintim...A+...perfect fit for your scheme at good value, will push for starting time day 1.
2b) W. Beatty...A+...tremendous value that will provide excellent depth while developing into your future franchise left tackle.
3a) R. Barden...B-...solid pick and will help ease the loss of plax but i think one of the stud recieving t.e.'s like j. cook or s. nelson would have been better.
3b) T. Beckum...B+...great pick and will fill your need as a recievig t.e. if he can stay healthy but i think shawn nelson would have been better.
4) A. Brown...B...solid pick and could keep the 3 headed running attack going but duke robinson would have been better.
5) R. Bomar...B-...i like this pick but duke would have been much better.
6) D. Wright...C-
7) S. Woodson...D+

Just some corrections, Sintim definitely won't start day one and most of us don't expect him to start this year at all.

We have a receiving TE, he's the Boss. So we didn't really have a need for a TE, certainly not bigger than our need at WR which is why grabbing Cook or Nelson over Barden wouldn't have made too much sense, not saying it would've been a bad move but I've been on the Barden bandwagon for a while now and we needed a big WR who could give us another redzone beast while also being groomed to fill in as a deep threat who'll open the short-to-intermediate game for Smith, Nicks and da Boss in the near future.

Once we grabbed ourselves Nicks and Barden we looked to add another weapon and Beckum was pretty much a project pick, he doesn't fit our scheme, is coming off injury and hasn't run blocked even once at Wisconsin, but our staff liked his tools. I too preferred Nelson but Beckum has a lot of raw potential and is going to be used as an H-back and not a true TE which is why I think we made that pick. Just gives us more different ways to attack teams.

We're pretty good at guard although I would've liked to have seen a center and a kicker draft with our last two picks.

Sniper
05-10-2009, 01:34 PM
hasn't run blocked even once at Wisconsin

Uhh...about that.

roscoesdad27
05-10-2009, 01:54 PM
AFC North

Cleveland...C+...the 7th round saved them

1) A. Mack...C-...i love mack but i think the browns could have went a number of different ways in areas with MUCH bigger needs...percy harvin would have been tremendous.
2a) B. Robiskie...B+...will give quinn a steady target as a #2 reciever opposite edwards but passing on everett brown was a mistake.
2b) M. Massaquoi...C+...solid pick with the edwards drama but kruger would have been the perfect replacement for mcginest.
2c) D. Veikune...B-...fills a need at olb but kruger would have been much better there as would a 3-4 d.e. like fili moala or jaron gilbert.
4) K. Maiva...D...passing on shawn nelson and d.j. moore for a guy that will be lost on the depth chart isnt good.
6a) D. Carey...C
6b) C. Francies...B+...love this pick
6c) J. Davis...A-...VERY good pick

Cinci...A+...great draft, one of the best i've ever seen

1) A. Smith...A+...best overall player in the draft imho
2) R. Maulaluga...A+...tremendous value and can play slb opposite rivers while being groomed for the starting mlb of the future, unless he stays at slb where he fits extremely well.
3a) M. Johnson...A+...tremendous value
3b) C. Coffman...B+...great value but shawn nelson would have been much better imho.
4) J. Luigis...A+...fills a huge need at great value.
5) K. Huber...D+...would have liked to se a w.r. or r.b. here.
6a) M. Trent...C-
6b) B. Scott...C+
7a) T. Vakapuna...C
7b) C. Mcdonald...C
7c) F. Brown...C+

Baltimore...D...oher was the only pick i liked and we failed to get flacco a young w.r. to grow with...passing on stud t.e's for players that wont see the fiels was terrible.

1) M. Oher...A+...tremendous value and fills a need at right tackle...will give us one of the est o.l.'s in the nfl.
2) P. Kruger...D-...hated the pick becuase of all the depth we have at olb...jaron gilbert, shawn nelson or jared cook would have been MUCH better picks.
3) L. Webb...C-...getting another small corner was a bad choice esp. with jared cook and shawn nelson still on the board.
5a) J. Phillips...B-...will NOT be the replacement for ray lewis at the "feature/mike" ilb spot but could possibly replace bart at the "thumper/ted" ilb spot...either way i hated pasing on t.e.'s casey and ingram here.
5b) D. Drew...D...terrible reach with casey and ingram on the board
6) C. Peerman...D-...we already have a crowded backfield and we didnt get a w.r.....FAIL!

Pitt..C+...didnt get an o.t. and i would have liked to see a backup n.t.

1) E. Hood...B...dont like how he fits at 3-4 d.e....e. britton, d. butler or s. smith would have been much better.
3a) K. Urbrik...B+...good pick and he will push for starting time...could develope into the next fanaca....duke would have been better thou
3b) M. Wallace...B...solid pick and will be the staring return guy but an o.t. or c.b. like webb would have been better
3c) K. Lewis...A-...love the pick and value here.
5a) J. Burnette...C-
5b) F. Summers...D-...bad reach esp. considering last years first round pick.
6) R. Harris...C-
7a) A. Shipley...A...great value at a need spot
7b) D. Johnson...C-

Mr. Hero
05-10-2009, 01:58 PM
Uhh...about that.

hyperbole is the key to SWDC.

Flippityskip91
05-10-2009, 04:57 PM
percy harvin would have been tremendous.

4) K. Maiva...D...passing on shawn nelson and d.j. moore for a guy that will be lost on the depth chart isnt good.

First, I'm just not that high on Harvin, never really be one of those guys I'd want. Second, there were other possibilities at 21, but I doubt we considered Harvin.

With Maiava, I agree entirely that this was our worst pick...he doesn't fit the 3-4 defense. He'll be an automatic ST demon, but that could end up being all he does while he's with us.

However, for anyone who thinks we should've drafted a TE, look at the depth chart. It's not that hard to see that drafting a TE would be stupid, Nelson would've been an awful pick, even with him falling. We have Royal, Heiden, and don't forget Martin Rucker who was a 4th last year so it is not a need. I'm really tired of reading people's assessments of our draft and commenting about how there were TE's available that we should've drafted. At least there's a small chance that Maiava will end up playing LB for us, which was/is a massive need...I don't think any TE's would've been playing LB for us.

wonderbredd24
05-10-2009, 05:19 PM
You are welcome to your opinion on our draft Roscoe... I'll just say a couple things.

First, look at the people Mangini drafted. High character, smart football players who were productive in college. Harvin is a jackass. Not only is his character a problem, guys like Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, Lamar Woodley, James Harrison, Rey Maualuga and Keith Rivers would break ***** Harvin in half. This would have been a disastrous pick.

As for Alex Mack, here's the thing: The Browns are in a division with Haloti Ngata, Kelly Gregg, and Casey Hampton. The Browns desperately needed a center and as illustrated by how the draft went, the 2 best prospects to hold up against nose tackles, Mack and Wood, were long gone before 36th pick. You can certainly argue that Mack is a reach, but here's my question:

What would you give up for a center who can hold up against nose tackles with little or no help when you play at least 4 games a year against very good 3-4 defenses? If Mack is in a few pro bowls in a couple years and prevents Ngata, Gregg, and Hampton from penetrating our backfield, the value was right on if you ask me.

CC.SD
05-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Really? Cause he is competing for the starting SS job :P


Yah man, I definitely saw that on draft day but if he can push Clinton Hart out I welcome it greatly.

Burger
05-12-2009, 10:50 PM
1) i dont like that they passed on javon ringer or james davis despite the sutton promise....both of those guys could have pushed grant for starting time.

2) brad may be a nice special teamer but at 235 pounds he has no future as a 3-4 line backer.

Brad Jones was a 3-4 linebacker in college...... NFL lifting program will have him gain weight.

SF Dolphin Fan
05-13-2009, 09:39 AM
First off, I think the AFC East just got a whole lot stronger. Buffalo, New England and the Jets all had good drafts in my opinion. I actually like the Mabin pick a lot for the Bills. His first step in unreal and I think he could emerge as the best pass rusher from this draft. Wood is solid at center. Left tackle is still a need there, though. The Jets were bold in trading up for Sanchez and I think that will pay off. I was really surprised that Denver or San Francisco didn't deal up for Sanchez. The Patriots got a lot of help in the secondary with Butler and Chung, plus I think Brace will be a solid NT for them. As for Miami, I like the two corners Davis and Smith. The secondary has been a trouble spot for the Dolphins since Madison and Surtain left. I am intrigued by Pat White and what he will add to the wildcat. I also really like the pick of Turner at wr. I think he's a little underrated and could give the Dolphins exactly what they need. My disappointment was that Miami didn't land a rush linebacker with so many good ones out there. They also gambled a lot on the second day.

Here's my AFC East Grades:

1. NYJ B+ didn't get a lot of bodies, but may have landed a franchise qb.
2. Buff B Mabin has superstar potential.
3. NE B- Really improved the secondary.
4. Miami C+ Grade moves up if Pat White can revolutionize the Wildcat.

keylime_5
05-13-2009, 10:13 AM
It sounds like the longterm plans with David Veikune are to put him at strongside ILB to be Mangini's version of Tedy Bruschi. He'll probably play mainly OLB his rookie year though. I think that pick will be one of the biggest keys into how successful Cleveland's draft was.

datchapin
06-09-2009, 06:47 PM
AFC South

Houston...C+...didnt address corner or safety early enough and failed to get a power back to compliment slaton

3) A. Caldwell...C-...rugged player that can play o.g. or center but i would have easily went with rashad johnson or a corner for help in the secondary.
4a) G. Quinn...C-...a reach that fills a need but it make me wonder even more why they didnt take rashad johnson in round 3.
4b) A. Hill...D-...a reach and i dont know why corner hasnt been addressed yet...a power back to compliment slaton would have also been MUCH better.
5) J. Casey...C...better than hill but why take 2 t.e.'s with the need at corner and good powerbacks still available?
6) B. McCain...C...finally get a corner but mickins would have been MUCH better.
7) T. Nolan...C-


3)Our line has no quality depth on the interior, if our center or guard go down we're screwed. Not only that, but Caldwell is already made an impression on our coaching staff. The greatest help we can give our secondary is a pass rush which was addressed with Smith from AZ and our second rd. pick. Caldwell had more value than Johnson

4a)Quinn was projected by many as a FS, but he's being played as a CB. Bennett or Molden who're already on our roster would make smoother transitions to FS

4b)Corner was addressed, we only had 2 TE's at the time, neither great at blocking. We had a greater need @ TE.

5) Value, Casey plays multiple positions and could even play RB.

6) Wea addressed CB in the 4th, what the hell do you mean Finally.

Burger
06-09-2009, 11:35 PM
240 pound Clay Matthews = 3-4 OLB
235 pound Brad Jones = not 3-4 OLB

Also, Brad Jones is a 3-4 LB, and played outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme at Colorado.

BufFan71
06-20-2009, 07:29 PM
Also, Brad Jones is a 3-4 LB, and played outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme at Colorado.

CU hardly ran the 3-4

Jones played with his hand in the dirt a lot this past season, but also played LB


he has the tools to become a pure rusher in the 3-4
hes got room to add at least 10lbs while maintaining the 4.6 he ran...