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LOLitsTomBrady
04-27-2009, 01:04 PM
this is hilarious

Brothgar
04-27-2009, 01:20 PM
OH NOES! The guy who's whole claim to fame in the draft is considering 3-4 OLBs as DEs in the 4-3 standard is angry OOOOOHHHH Boy.

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 02:59 PM
Show him this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=4104114

Lions among the highest grades.

Addict
04-27-2009, 03:01 PM
Show him this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=4104114

Lions among the highest grades.

lol @ the raiders 0.78 GPA.

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 03:04 PM
The actual letter grades mean nothing to me. It's the Lions rank among the 32 teams to look at. And these experts have the Lions in the top 6-8 teams.

P.S. Mike Valenti is a disgrace to humanity. And I didn't even listen to his rant. He's always an irrational hothead.

Prowler
04-27-2009, 04:48 PM
lol USA Today's opinion actually counted towards our GPA

SINCE1978
04-27-2009, 05:00 PM
The actual letter grades mean nothing to me. It's the Lions rank among the 32 teams to look at. And these experts have the Lions in the top 6-8 teams.

P.S. Mike Valenti is a disgrace to humanity. And I didn't even listen to his rant. He's always an irrational hothead.

You must be a Michigan fan. (lol)
Valenti has passion. He also does his homework. Yeah, he flies off the handle often but I'd rather have that than a guy who is just mild mannered and non opinionated. It is entertainment after all ... "disgrace to humanity" is a pretty tough judgment to anyone not named Matt Millen ;o)

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 05:07 PM
You must be a Michigan fan. (lol)
Valenti has passion. He also does his homework. Yeah, he flies off the handle often but I'd rather have that than a guy who is just mild mannered and non opinionated. It is entertainment after all ... "disgrace to humanity" is a pretty tough judgment to anyone not named Matt Millen ;o)

That's where we'll disagree then. I don't care so much about the entertainment value of him. If he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and has a mis-informed opinion, then what exactly is the point?

Not every single thing in sports is meant to be taken to extremes. In his book, there is no middle ground. He either thinks you're awesome or horrendous.

Prowler
04-27-2009, 05:27 PM
That's where we'll disagree then. I don't care so much about the entertainment value of him. If he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and has a mis-informed opinion, then what exactly is the point?

Not every single thing in sports is meant to be taken to extremes. In his book, there is no middle ground. He either thinks you're awesome or horrendous.

basically, he's a woman

WMD
04-27-2009, 05:35 PM
Ugh. I don't mind if someone has an unfavorable opinion of our draft.. but it seems like EVERYONE in the Detroit media just decided to hate on the draft.. Which means casual fans who don't know any better are going to think what they're told by the Detroit media.. Just go to MLive and see what happens as a result of that.

SINCE1978
04-27-2009, 05:45 PM
Listen, the guys you're talking of (Foster/Valenti/Karsh/Caputto/Sharp/Kowalski/Birkett/Wojonowski/Shepard/Rosenberg/Costonika etc) ... these cats have been around Detroit for anywhere from 7 to 40 years covering this cities sports teams so to say they are steeped in losing ways with the Lion's is an understatement!! Most are The guilty until proven innocent mentality b/c it get's listeners and readers who only plug into that media b/c of fear doubt and worry.

SINCE1978
04-27-2009, 05:50 PM
That's where we'll disagree then. I don't care so much about the entertainment value of him. If he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about and has a mis-informed opinion, then what exactly is the point?

Not every single thing in sports is meant to be taken to extremes. In his book, there is no middle ground. He either thinks you're awesome or horrendous.

X - I respect that opinion of yours ...
I listen to very little radio myself, but sometimes between 5-5:30 on the commute I listen in to Valenti b/c a) he's interesting and is known to go bonkers on the air which tends to make me laugh and b) it's the only local stuff no syndicated or on satellite.

Stafford has us atop the NFC North in 3 years they (me) can eat crow.

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 07:07 PM
X - I respect that opinion of yours ...
I listen to very little radio myself, but sometimes between 5-5:30 on the commute I listen in to Valenti b/c a) he's interesting and is known to go bonkers on the air which tends to make me laugh and b) it's the only local stuff no syndicated or on satellite.

Stafford has us atop the NFC North in 3 years they (me) can eat crow.

When they aren't talking about the draft, I enjoy all of the sports talk on 97.1, but I hate the Valenti and Foster show.

WMD
04-27-2009, 07:24 PM
It's too much damn negativity. Every time the Lions do something that isn't what they have expected and read about for the last 2 months leading up to the draft, it's "typical Lions". More like "Typical knee jerk reaction by close minded clueless sheep"

Don't get me wrong.. I wanted Maualuga, and I wanted Oher.. but I'm not going to talk bad about the new regime because they passed on guys who have big time question marks. I understand why they picked Pettigrew.

5 Fingers of Death
04-27-2009, 07:35 PM
I've been listening to 97.1 from California for one year off my I phone. Valenti has a lot of sports knowledge but he is an unhappy person who needs some emotional counseling. I can see where most of the guys from 97.1 are coming from. Build up the defense and the lines before you get your tight ends and receivers. I can't argue with that. But this year we picked up a franchise QB who needs to have weapons for him to throw to. I just wished we could of gotten a offensive guard like Duke Robinson or Kraig Urbick to help with the run game.

I think these guys are too negative and need to lighten up some. Most fans on these forums do agree this draft was not off bad grading it out to be a least a B.

I'm looking forward to the next season.

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 07:42 PM
I've been listening to 97.1 from California for one year off my I phone. Valenti has a lot of sports knowledge but he is an unhappy person who needs some emotional counseling. I can see where most of the guys from 97.1 are coming from. Build up the defense and the lines before you get your tight ends and receivers. I can't argue with that. But this year we picked up a franchise QB who needs to have weapons for him to throw to. I just wished we could of gotten a offensive guard like Duke Robinson or Kraig Urbick to help with the run game.

I think these guys are too negative and need to lighten up some. Most fans on these forums do agree this draft was not off bad grading it out to be a least a B.

I'm looking forward to the next season.

Sometimes I think these guys are this opinionated to appeal to all the negative fans. The rest of the time I think they're just irrational.

I question the decision-making of the people who run that station for allowing all of their radio personalities to express an identical opinion. Leaves no room for debate or variety. I'm glad the draft is over for the sake of having to listen to that station.

ironman4579
04-27-2009, 07:54 PM
Why I love having Sirius so much. I can listen to NFL radio and get informed opinions from guys like Pat Kirwan and Gil Brandt instead of the local morons.

WMD
04-27-2009, 08:07 PM
Build up the defense and the lines before you get your tight ends and receivers.
To a certain extent though.. Maybe they had Pettigrew rated as the 10th best player in the draft and Oher as a 2nd Rounder. Should they have taken Oher just because he was a Left Tackle and Pettigrew was a TE?

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 08:11 PM
To a certain extent though.. Maybe they had Pettigrew rated as the 10th best player in the draft and Oher as a 2nd Rounder. Should they have taken Oher just because he was a Left Tackle and Pettigrew was a TE?

Why does the team have to be built with any specific parameters or proportions? I always hear "build the defense," "build the line," "get the core positons (QB, LT, DE)" . . . JUST TAKE BPA! And that's what they did.

ironman4579
04-27-2009, 08:28 PM
Why does the team have to be built with any specific parameters or proportions? I always hear "build the defense," "build the line," "get the core positons (QB, LT, DE)" . . . JUST TAKE BPA! And that's what they did.

To me the only rule is if you don't have a franchise QB and you have a shot at one, take him (if you grade him as one, of course). Otherwise, I'm a BPA guy as well. I was a little upset at the Pettigrew pick at first, but once I thought about it for a bit, I loved it. I'm quite happy with this draft. The local morons are reactionary, overreacting goofballs.

5 Fingers of Death
04-27-2009, 11:41 PM
I think i figured it out. When you live in the box (Detroit), you can't think outside the box. Mike and most of Detroit of lived through years of anguish and misery with such a bad defense that they can't think of anything else except how to fix the defense. Me, when i watch their games i see that both the Lions defense and offense were equally bad. I don't mind the draft as much because at least we can improve in our offense and still mad small dent in our defense. These guys dismiss Hill just because he went to Stillman. They dismiss Delmas and the linebackers we drafted. Their viewpoints are really single minded thinking inside the box.

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 11:43 PM
I don't view the offense and defense as seperate entities.

WMD
04-27-2009, 11:51 PM
These guys dismiss Hill just because he went to Stillman.
Yeah, because nobody that went to a small school has ever done anything in the NFL... :rolleyes:

Xiomera
04-27-2009, 11:52 PM
Yeah, because nobody that went to a small school has ever done anything in the NFL... :rolleyes:

Who is Terrell Owens? Jerry Rice? THEY'RE BUMS! THAT'S WHO!

LOLitsTomBrady
04-28-2009, 01:55 AM
I think i figured it out. When you live in the box (Detroit), you can't think outside the box. Mike and most of Detroit of lived through years of anguish and misery with such a bad defense that they can't think of anything else except how to fix the defense. Me, when i watch their games i see that both the Lions defense and offense were equally bad. I don't mind the draft as much because at least we can improve in our offense and still mad small dent in our defense. These guys dismiss Hill just because he went to Stillman. They dismiss Delmas and the linebackers we drafted. Their viewpoints are really single minded thinking inside the box.

um no, for the record everyone liked the Delmas pick. Heres the problem when Detroit drafts, we simply can not trust these guys to draft players. Year in and year out, we draft busts and always skip the playmakers. We draft high on skill positions when so many glaring needs are ignored. then in the late 3rd or 4th round we always get those "project players". This year was no different. We took a TE instead of a great looking LT or pass rushing DT.

Lets take a look at what wins you games, the best TE in the game, Tony Gonzales or the best DT in the game, Albert Haynesworth...Easy, the DT. Why? Because without a pass rush or someone who can stop the run, you will not win in the NFL. It's so simple and the Lions just can't get it right. I dont want to hear that Pettigrew is the best TE in his class, the point is we missed an opportunity to get great value for a player in the trenches, but we skipped it yet again.

Then we reached for an OLB projected to go in round 6 with our 3rd pick, a KR that we could have gotten in the 4th round in a player named DJ Moore. A project player in the DT Lee. A runningback in the 6th that will be cut next year. We got ANOTHER TIGHT END

just overall a terrible draft. Anyone who likes this is blind or you're such a homer that you can't see this front office is filled with morons. I'll remember this draft in 3 years and how you guys all "loved" it when we'll have 2 player left from the squad and that will be Stafford(because of his huge contract) and either Delmas or Pettigrew

WMD
04-28-2009, 02:38 AM
And you're the enlightened one because you don't like it?

TitanHope
04-28-2009, 04:31 AM
Um, you guys have Jim Schwartz.

Does this Valenti fellow know this?

Brothgar
04-28-2009, 05:05 AM
Um, you guys have Jim Schwartz.

Does this Valenti fellow know this?

Mike Valenti doesn't believe in coaching. He thinks the Pats just drafts talent and Bill Belicheck just calls smart plays.

5 Fingers of Death
04-28-2009, 05:36 AM
LOLitsTomBrady, I didn't love this draft. I liked his draft. I gave it a B-. I did wish we would of drafted Peria Jerry, but Sammie Lee Hill may turn out to be a stud. You're being way to negative here. What school did Jerry Rice go to? Mississippi Valley State. I don't know who this can be a "terrible draft" when you drafted a quarterback, tight end, and safety in can play for years to come.

Here again, Lions fan can help themselves to be too negative. Lighten up some. I know the economy and everything is tough in Michigan, but you don't have to act like everything the Lions do is negative. If Stafford turns out to be half way decent, this draft is automatically a B+.

TheDoctor8
04-28-2009, 08:38 AM
um no, for the record everyone liked the Delmas pick. Heres the problem when Detroit drafts, we simply can not trust these guys to draft players. Year in and year out, we draft busts and always skip the playmakers. We draft high on skill positions when so many glaring needs are ignored. then in the late 3rd or 4th round we always get those "project players". This year was no different. We took a TE instead of a great looking LT or pass rushing DT.

Lets take a look at what wins you games, the best TE in the game, Tony Gonzales or the best DT in the game, Albert Haynesworth...Easy, the DT. Why? Because without a pass rush or someone who can stop the run, you will not win in the NFL. It's so simple and the Lions just can't get it right. I dont want to hear that Pettigrew is the best TE in his class, the point is we missed an opportunity to get great value for a player in the trenches, but we skipped it yet again.

Then we reached for an OLB projected to go in round 6 with our 3rd pick, a KR that we could have gotten in the 4th round in a player named DJ Moore. A project player in the DT Lee. A runningback in the 6th that will be cut next year. We got ANOTHER TIGHT END

just overall a terrible draft. Anyone who likes this is blind or you're such a homer that you can't see this front office is filled with morons. I'll remember this draft in 3 years and how you guys all "loved" it when we'll have 2 player left from the squad and that will be Stafford(because of his huge contract) and either Delmas or Pettigrew

Wow, I never thought that I would be driven away from this website but I think you are doing the job. THE TRENCHES!?!?! What is this WWI, get a clue. Teams are built by acquiring talent, would you rather have the best TE or the 4th best T. Obviously you would rather take the 4th best guy at a position. Teams like the Pats, Colts, and Giants could care less where a guy plays, rather can he help win games. It doesn't matter the position if a player can make plays they take him and find a spot for him. The Patriots took TWO TE's in 3 years at one point, oh what blasphemy.


As for what wins games. The best TE alone will not win games but it is a step in the right direction offensively, look at the two teams who were in the Super Bowl. They had multiple options on offense. The Cardinals had multiple wide recievers, while Pittsburgh had a TE to go along with their wideouts. This is something the Lions did not have last year. If Calvin couldn't get open it was over. People like you are only talking about how terrible the defense was last year, well look at the offense. We held Minnesota to 12 points and lost because we scored only 10, and that bastard Orlovsky ran out of the back of the endzone giving them 2 of their 12. This team could have great TRENCHES and with out talent at the skill positions on offense they will never win any substantial amount of games.


Shouldn't you give Schwartz the benefit of the doubt regarding all these "projects?" Look at Cortland Finnegan, he was a 7th round pick and he went to the Pro-Bowl this year. Stephen Tulloch was named starting MLB eight games into the season after being picked in the 4th round in 2006. (And by the way he is listed at 235, man that seems kind of small for a MLB. HA HA!) So again I tell you, stop thinking you understand schemes and personnel better than him and Gunther. Hell, Schwartz was a scout under the best personnel guy in the league in many peoples opinion, Bill Belicheck. These guys know defense better than Rod did and better than Millen did and far better than you do.


GO LIONS!!

DoWnThEfiElD
04-28-2009, 09:04 AM
I don't view the offense and defense as seperate entities.

Thats because your smart and understand football.

coordinator0
04-28-2009, 09:17 AM
Seems like a lot of hate on here for Oher, why? His only question mark is that he may or may not have a learning diasability, but he's a hard worker. All of those reports that he takes plays off and such are ridiculous. I remember they said the dame thing about Haloti Ngata (coming form the same source as well mind you). Yeah...

However, I do think that Oher was not the way to go for the Lions. Backus isn't as bad as the media proclaims him to be, but all that hate should be focused on the LG position. 'm very surprised that the Lions didn't address it in the draft or FA. Who's going to be the starter?

I don't get to listen to Valentini, but that guy who's the host of the Huge Show is a total douchebag. I wish Michigan had different radio hosts lol.

P-L
04-28-2009, 10:21 AM
Brandon Pettigrew is by far the best blocking tight end I've seen since I started following the draft. The reason that he has such poor receiving stats, despite being an excellent receiver, is because he was so valuable as a blocker that Oklahoma State used him as a sixth offensive lineman. If you get a chance re-watch the Texas/Oklahoma State game. Pettigrew completely worked Orakpo the entire game. I don't care if he's a tight end, Pettigrew upgrades both our offensive line and our receiving corps.

TitanHope
04-28-2009, 11:39 AM
If Daniel Loper is starting at LG for ya'll, then you should be fine. He was a swing OT for the Titans, but he saw more playing time at OG than at OT. He even started at RG for the Titans/Chargers Wild Card game in '07, and I thought he played very well - especially considering he has Eugene Amano starting next to him as Kevin Mawae's injury replacement. When the Titans lost Jacob Bell to FA and Benji Olsen to retirement at the end of the '07 season, I wasn't worried at all because they had Loper.

You guys got yourself a very handy OL, and the Titans had to use a 4th RD pick on Troy Kropog to replace him. CB Eric King is another good one too. VoodooMonkey can attest that I was broken-hearted when I saw King signed with ya'll.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
04-28-2009, 12:05 PM
Yes I'm having more faith in Loper. I've been burned before on backups from other teams and free agent guards in Detroit, but I can take one more who played with a great Oline coach in Munchak and behind two studs at LT and LG for the Titans. Some work out or at least decent like DeWayne White who when healthy is a decent DE.

I wouldn't take any guard left from Round 2 over Delmas at this point(Unger and LeVitre). Duke dropped like a rock as did Canfield. Mack and Wood were gone. So Loper it is. Round 3 guards, Vazguez(isn't that like a Manny Ramirez clone). Caldwell is a center and we're rolling with Raiola. Unger,Wood and Mack may all be more centers. Now we could have taken Oher and played him at LG and then he would eventually replace Backus but then we lack the safety valve and Pettigrews good blocking(who is just as important as a guard sometimes) and there may be some stud LTs next year better than Oher. Get Okung from Oklahoma State and match him with Pettigrew. They have chemistry already. We've had some pretty good success with Oklahoma State players. Pick 20, Barry number 20, its an omen lol.

Babylon
04-28-2009, 05:14 PM
I like what the Lions did, by drafting Pettigrew you just made Stafford and Johnson better, Delmas is going to be a good one. Realistically speaking you have 3 pro bowlers with your 1st 3 picks.

Valenti is a mad man, i'm sure everyone remembers the infamous MSU vs Notre Dame rant from a couple of years ago. "Coach Smith your timeouts arent like cell phone minutes they dont carry over". Priceless.

Xiomera
04-28-2009, 05:16 PM
I love how 97.1 spent the entire day fielding calls off the premise that Larry Foote was released and we should sign him.

Reports now say he is still a Steeler and wasn't released. I think MLive was their source.

Haha, double fail.

Addict
04-28-2009, 05:22 PM
arent these the same guys who ran the bandwagon after every Millen draft? Because if they are I don't know why we're taking them seriously.

Xiomera
04-28-2009, 05:38 PM
arent these the same guys who ran the bandwagon after every Millen draft? Because if they are I don't know why we're taking them seriously.

Nah, they're cynics. I don't think that was them, at least not collectively.

Iamcanadian
04-28-2009, 08:11 PM
That's the problem when you come from a city that is a cronic loser in a sport. The guys who cover the team ripe everything in sight because they have no experience with a winning organization and have lost all judgment of when it comes to their team. They wouldn't recognize a good draft if it hit them in the head. Something like 12 of the last 15 first overall picks in the draft have been QB's both by poor GM's and by excellent GM's, and not just by Detroit GM's. So I think it is safe to say that GM's at least agree that drafting a QB #1 overall is the soundest philosophy in the NFL, yet reporters think they know better, and go on and on about it like some kind of light went on in their brain when in fact they aren't much different from a frustrated fan.
I for one am glad the Detroit press is riping our draft, in all likelihood it probably means Mayhew got it right for once and the press and fans are just too stupid to realize it. For years they fawned over Millen's drafts and gave him A's and A+'s, they were dead wrong then and they are dead wrong now.

SINCE1978
04-28-2009, 08:17 PM
Um, you guys have Jim Schwartz.

Does this Valenti fellow know this?

I am sig less (lol) ... but Imust say in ranking signatures, you have one of the sweetest one's I've ever seen! Great work TitanHope, I laugh every time I see it!