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DiG
04-29-2009, 12:23 PM
The 09 Draft is officially in the books. I like to take an early look at the following year draft to get a feel for what positions might be of most interest and also take a look at guys that are intriguing so that I can be sure to keep any eye out on them and others throughout the college year.

As of now I would think that QB, RB, OT, and LB. Campbell could surprise or maybe Colt surprises but either way I don't think Campbell resigns after this year so we'll probably need either an early QB or mid round QB to add to the roster next year. I love Portis but the reality is that he will be 29 at the start of the 2011 season so adding some young talent might not be a bad idea. Offensive tackle and linebacker I think are pretty obvious concerns.

Here are some guys I like right now. I'm sure this list will change throughout the season.

Early QBs
Sam Bradford, Okl
Jevon Snead, Mississippi*
Colt McCoy, Texas

Mid Round QBs
Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State
Dan Lefevour, Central Michigan

Early RBs
Jahvid Best, Cal*
Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech*
LeGarrette Blount, Oregon

Mid Round RBs
Chris Brown, Oklahoma
Stafon Johnson, USC

Early LBs
Travis Lewis, Oklahoma*
Brandon Spikes, Florida
Quan Sturdivant, UNC*
Rolando McClain, Alabama

Mid Round LBs
Stevenson Sylvester, Utah
Luthur Brown, USC

2 Live Crew
04-30-2009, 12:25 PM
I think OT will be the biggest need next year. Samuels continues to decline, Jansen is basically done, and I'm not counting on Heyer being anything above average for his career.

Also, we did not address this at all this offseason. No young talent was added to the OT spots on this team. Thats my biggest complaint right now.

Also, if Campbell is gone that means we have a young QB under center (Brennan or draft pick) and they will absolutely need protection to be successful in their first year.

toddmlazarchick
04-30-2009, 12:28 PM
Sergio Kindle FTW!!!

treyskins
05-01-2009, 06:27 PM
I think OT will be the biggest need next year. Samuels continues to decline, Jansen is basically done, and I'm not counting on Heyer being anything above average for his career.

Also, we did not address this at all this offseason. No young talent was added to the OT spots on this team. Thats my biggest complaint right now.

Also, if Campbell is gone that means we have a young QB under center (Brennan or draft pick) and they will absolutely need protection to be successful in their first year.

I dont agree on the Samuels quote,he is still one of the best,until he got injured him and kendall were great,especially in the run game.
Wasnt he invited to the pro-bowl?

Although vinny catches alot of flack for the non drafting of linemen, i have heard Bugel was impressed with mike Williams' workout and was not interested in any draftees.
Just like last year when Blache liked merling and trevor laws and when they were gone did not want anyone else.
I think you have to look at Bugel and Blache as much as vinny.
We will soon see if rinehart and clark can develop into capable depth and who knows with Williams-at first i thought it was a poor joke.
I'd love the un-drafted Heyor to beat out Jansen but you know how our coaches feel about the vets.

2 Live Crew
05-03-2009, 09:47 AM
Well we disagree that Samuels is still one of the best. I think he's OK over there right now, but you cannot deny he's getting older.

Thats where the injuries you said come in. Its part of getting older and it can slow you down later in your career. You can't deny Samuels is on the downside of his career. The fact is he won't get any better, only worse (or injured) each year.

There is no future replacement for him in place. That's my biggest complaint right now.

Mike Williams is just this year's Erasmus James. I'd be elated if it worked out, but I'm not counting on anything from him. The skins have to bring guys like that in and be creative because they don't have the draft picks to bring in legit young guys.

skinzzfan25
05-30-2009, 11:21 AM
Good thread, never too early haha.

Defense looks stacked for this draft.

DiG
08-26-2009, 08:35 AM
After a few preseason games, I think its safe to say that OLine and QB may turn out being our two biggest needs next year. It sure feels and looks like Orakpo is the real deal, Jeremy Jarmon has been very impressive and looks like he could prove to be well worth the 3rd round supplemental draft spot, and I get the sense that Kelly and Thomas are making great strides at WR as well as Marko. CB could become a concern depending on what happens with Carlos Rogers but right now I would say OT, C, and QB are at the top of my wishlist. Colt's still got two preaseason games to turn things around and theres no way to tell what will happen during the season but either way I just don't see Campbell as the Skins longterm solution so drafting a qb next year is almost a guarantee unless we trade for one.

I've done some more research on QBs and have adjusted my big board accordingly.

1. Sam Bradford - What's not to like about this guy. Incredible accuracy, good size, great decision making, good arm. I'm praying that we win enough games to take ourselves out of the Bradford equation but you never know so he gets the top spot on the board.

2. Colt McCoy - Most people will have Snead ahead of McCoy. It's very close for me. McCoy has got a ton of experience and some of the best intangibles in the draft class. The question marks will come for McCoy on whether his success is due to a qb friendly offense. I think McCoys got it personally. At Texas, McCoy takes a lot of passing plays form shotgun and doesnt get a lot of exposure reading defenses dropping back and making vertical throws. His accuracy though is good, his arm strength more than adequate, and he has a real quick release.

3. Jevon Snead - He doesnt have ideal size but he is real quick on his feet and has a rocket for an arm. Needs to work some on his accuracy and his footwork this year but has the kind of winning attitude and competitiveness that I like.

4. Tim Hiller (RD 3)- Huge arm and great size. Probably the strongest arm in the draft for quarterbacks. I like this kid a lot. He's smart as hell. The guy graduated in 3 years with a 4.0 and a business degree and is in his second year of grad school. He's tough as nails and is a good decision maker although he probably takes more chances than he should against lower competition. His release isnt as quick as some of the other guys but he makes good reads. He's not the most mobile qb either.

5. Dan LeFevour (RD 4) - This guy is a game manager. He knows how to read a defense and is as strong a competitor as they come. His arm strength isn't elite but it is above average and strong enough for the NFL level. He has a good quick release but could be better moving in the pocket. He is mobile in the pocket and can get the first down with his feet but could be better throwing on the run.

6. Tony Pike (RD 5) - Pike could be a fast riser with a good campaign this year. He lacks experience but played well last year as a first year starter. He has great height but doesn't necessarily have the arm strength youd expect because he needs to add muscle. His biggest concern is his consistency. At times last year he looked amazing but struggled against tougher competition. He's definitely a guy to watch as he could move up boards quickly if he shows a lot of progression since last year and is probably best fit for the WCO.

7. Zac Robinson (RD 5) - Tough QB to figure out. He does a lot of things well but nothing exceptional. More of a slants and quick hit qb than a down field threat. He's another guy that needs to add weight but hes tough for his size and is a hard worker.

I'll breakdown OLine later.

2 Live Crew
08-26-2009, 09:14 AM
Yea if they don't resign JC and Colt hasn't impressed or broken out or whatever, I have to think we go QB early in this one.

If we assume for now that JC won't be back, I can see Snyder trading up if he has to, to get the QB that he desires.

Got to think Bradford goes 1 or close to it, so we can't get him. Snead or McCoy the next Redskins QB possibly?

D-Unit
08-27-2009, 02:42 PM
Yeah, you guys will need to go QB, RB or OL in Round 1.

But since the subject is on QB... I really expect this guy to rise up the boards this year and here's the reason why I like him for you.

Jarrett Brown, QB, West Virginia - 6'4", 222

http://www.wvgazette.com/mediafiles/thumbs/595/399.44333333333/19brown_I090418215258.jpg

I'm going to assume though that Zorn is still the coach. With that in mind, he'll be looking for a QB who will run his WCO. A guy who stands tall in the pocket, but can think on his feet... has a strong arm who can fit the ball in tight spaces with accuracy. Can whip the ball to his receiver while on the run.

Brown has all of those things. He oozes athleticism. He's still a bit of a wild stallion and I want to see him go through his progressions better. ...and he'll need to make an adjustment from taking the ball from center when he reaches the pros. But Zorn loves wild stallion types. Loves to mold them.

Unlike Pat White, Brown can make all the NFL throws, has prototypical NFL size and QB moxie. Not sure he is a leader like White yet though.

Reminds me of a young Donovan McNabb.

He's even a baller.

http://www.wvmetronews.com/images/pics3/bbprac6032608.jpg

HChu
08-27-2009, 11:03 PM
Yeah, you guys will need to go QB, RB or OL in Round 1.

But since the subject is on QB... I really expect this guy to rise up the boards this year and here's the reason why I like him for you.

Jarrett Brown, QB, West Virginia - 6'4", 222

http://www.wvgazette.com/mediafiles/thumbs/595/399.44333333333/19brown_I090418215258.jpg

I'm going to assume though that Zorn is still the coach. With that in mind, he'll be looking for a QB who will run his WCO. A guy who stands tall in the pocket, but can think on his feet... has a strong arm who can fit the ball in tight spaces with accuracy. Can whip the ball to his receiver while on the run.

Brown has all of those things. He oozes athleticism. He's still a bit of a wild stallion and I want to see him go through his progressions better. ...and he'll need to make an adjustment from taking the ball from center when he reaches the pros. But Zorn loves wild stallion types. Loves to mold them.

Unlike Pat White, Brown can make all the NFL throws, has prototypical NFL size and QB moxie. Not sure he is a leader like White yet though.

Reminds me of a young Donovan McNabb.

He's even a baller.

http://www.wvmetronews.com/images/pics3/bbprac6032608.jpg

If this discussion is pre-tensed on the fact that Campbell is not the answer, it likely means we didn't make the playoffs/do well during the season. And if that happens, there's no chance Zorn stays. Especially with names like Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher on the coaching free agent market.

On the QB discussion, I'm a big fan of both McCoy and Snead. So if the Redskins were to draft either QB, I'd be a very happy fan. Of course we would also have to look on the FA market for a stopgap veteran QB to use in case a QB we draft doesn't seem developed/mature enough to start Week 1 of the '10-'11 season.

D-Unit
08-28-2009, 12:52 PM
If this discussion is pre-tensed on the fact that Campbell is not the answer, it likely means we didn't make the playoffs/do well during the season. And if that happens, there's no chance Zorn stays. Especially with names like Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher on the coaching free agent market.

On the QB discussion, I'm a big fan of both McCoy and Snead. So if the Redskins were to draft either QB, I'd be a very happy fan. Of course we would also have to look on the FA market for a stopgap veteran QB to use in case a QB we draft doesn't seem developed/mature enough to start Week 1 of the '10-'11 season.
I could see you guys being very happy with a lot of QBs... Bradford, McCoy, Snead... heck, even Tebow! lol.

Brown is a guy for you in Rnd 2 or 3 if you decide to go a position other than QB in Round 1.

critesy
08-28-2009, 01:42 PM
we NEED to draft a rb in round 1 or 2.

DiG
08-28-2009, 02:57 PM
we NEED to draft a rb in round 1 or 2.

id prefer oline and qb in the first two rounds and rb next year. we could always go after a change of pace in fa like norwood, sproles, heck even willie parker.

i like what i read on jarret brown. ill be watching him close this year.

2 Live Crew
08-29-2009, 07:12 PM
I don't believe in drafting rb's in round 1 or round 2 unless its someone special. You can always pick up someone solid in the late rounds or FA. The career of a RB is just too short to invest a rd 1 pick IMO (make exceptions for guys like AP, LT, etc...).

Their learning curve is also pretty short, there's always some no name RB's having good years that take over for the starter. RB's rely so much on the O-line, I'd rather invest in them. Their avg career span is much longer and they are most likely going to be cheaper per year.

D-Unit
09-15-2009, 04:01 PM
BIG EAST WEEK 2 OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK: West Virginia quarterback Jarrett Brown was named BIG EAST Offensive Player of the Week after he had 407 yards of total offense to key West Virginia’s 35-20 win against East Carolina. He completed 24 of 31 passes for career highs of 334 yards and four touchdowns and added 73 rushing yards on 10 attempts. Brown had a hand in 80 percent of West Virginia’s 509 total yards against the Pirates and became just the fourth Mountaineer player in history to register 400 yards of offense in a game.

Just sayin'.... :)

SeanTaylorRIP
09-15-2009, 05:00 PM
Fck what anyone else thinks, I want Colt McCoy. His quick release, precision passing, and mobility in the pocket is exactly what we need. It doesn't matter if he doesn't have elite arm strength none of our receivers excluding Moss are deep threats. We have guys who can work the middle regardless of if Zorn and his offense is back. He can move in the pocket and throw on the run, that's what we need. I don't like Snead. He reminds me of Charlie Whitehurst.

Here's my dream draft for 2010:

1st: Colt McCoy
2nd: Ciron Black
3rd: Sean Lee
4th: Greg Middleton
5th: Javier Arenas
6th: Javarris James
7th: Rashawn Jackson

D-Unit
09-15-2009, 06:00 PM
Fck what anyone else thinks, I want Colt McCoy. His quick release, precision passing, and mobility in the pocket is exactly what we need. It doesn't matter if he doesn't have elite arm strength none of our receivers excluding Moss are deep threats. We have guys who can work the middle regardless of if Zorn and his offense is back. He can move in the pocket and throw on the run, that's what we need. I don't like Snead. He reminds me of Charlie Whitehurst.

Here's my dream draft for 2010:

1st: Colt McCoy
2nd: Ciron Black
3rd: Sean Lee
4th: Greg Middleton
5th: Javier Arenas
6th: Javarris James
7th: Rashawn Jackson
That would be a great draft. You should be in position to get McCoy if you want him. ... Leave Ciron Black alone. He wants to be a Cowboy. ;)

treyskins
09-16-2009, 06:58 AM
That is a dream draft,it would be great to pick up Black in round 2.

However,here comes the nightmare-the skins dont have a third round pick(Jarmon pick)or a sixth rounder(jason taylor).This is the skins we are talking about.

If we want McCoy then most likely we have to throw in our second rounder as well as our first to move up to get him.

skinzzfan25
09-16-2009, 07:15 AM
McCoy would be nice, as well as Black. I'd do that draft.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-16-2009, 07:34 AM
That is a dream draft,it would be great to pick up Black in round 2.

However,here comes the nightmare-the skins dont have a third round pick(Jarmon pick)or a sixth rounder(jason taylor).This is the skins we are talking about.

If we want McCoy then most likely we have to throw in our second rounder as well as our first to move up to get him.

Yup my bad forgot all about Jarmon, well I think he's going to develop into a decent starter down the line. Anyways all I would care about would be getting Colt, Black, and Arenas who would finally give us a dynamite PR and can also be depth at corner. Also I'm not so sure that we don't get Colt where we are. We aren't making the playoffs, and if we win the 6-8 games that I am predicting we should be picking in the 10-17 range. Right now Bradford is definitely #1 and Snead probably #2, and all it takes is one team to think Tebow is God and he could go before Colt. If we can't get Colt someone in the 2nd round I'd love is Dan Lefevour or Tony Pike whichever one's stock rises higher. Personally I'm a huge Pike fan. He has a nice frame, nice zip on his throws, and nice pocket presence. He's like Joe Flacco minus the same arm strength. As for mid round prospects D has mentioned Brown a lot but I want to see him perform against top competition. If he does he could be a day 1 pick. Rusty Smith would also warrant a mid round pick.

critesy
09-16-2009, 08:24 PM
Yup my bad forgot all about Jarmon, well I think he's going to develop into a decent starter down the line. Anyways all I would care about would be getting Colt, Black, and Arenas who would finally give us a dynamite PR and can also be depth at corner. Also I'm not so sure that we don't get Colt where we are. We aren't making the playoffs, and if we win the 6-8 games that I am predicting we should be picking in the 10-17 range. Right now Bradford is definitely #1 and Snead probably #2, and all it takes is one team to think Tebow is God and he could go before Colt. If we can't get Colt someone in the 2nd round I'd love is Dan Lefevour or Tony Pike whichever one's stock rises higher. Personally I'm a huge Pike fan. He has a nice frame, nice zip on his throws, and nice pocket presence. He's like Joe Flacco minus the same arm strength. As for mid round prospects D has mentioned Brown a lot but I want to see him perform against top competition. If he does he could be a day 1 pick. Rusty Smith would also warrant a mid round pick.


pike reminds me of campbell and brown plays auburn (woo woo!) this week. and i think colt would be perfect for our offense.

HChu
09-16-2009, 08:31 PM
pike reminds me of campbell and brown plays auburn (woo woo!) this week. and i think colt would be perfect for our offense.

McCoy would be good for THIS offense, but I dunno about Shannahan's...:D

critesy
09-16-2009, 10:27 PM
McCoy would be good for THIS offense, but I dunno about Shannahan's...:D


hahah too true..

im still banking on campbell having a breakout year with randel el and cooley having most of the receiving yards. and moss having a down year. i just think everyone is being too negative towards the team, it was the first game of the year and it was against one of the best teams in the league. once we fix some kinks and **** i think we can get on a roll.

DiG
09-17-2009, 12:18 PM
BIG EAST WEEK 2 OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK: West Virginia quarterback Jarrett Brown was named BIG EAST Offensive Player of the Week after he had 407 yards of total offense to key West Virginia’s 35-20 win against East Carolina. He completed 24 of 31 passes for career highs of 334 yards and four touchdowns and added 73 rushing yards on 10 attempts. Brown had a hand in 80 percent of West Virginia’s 509 total yards against the Pirates and became just the fourth Mountaineer player in history to register 400 yards of offense in a game.

Just sayin'.... :)

anywhere i can see highlights of the game? those are some nasty stats and everything ive read about the game says brown was awesome. JB is quickly rising up my board.

703SKINS202
09-17-2009, 01:03 PM
I go to WV and have been to both games. JB is a great college qb, a man amongst boys literally at this point. He really does have a great arm and can make almost any throw. I respect the hell out of him for never transferring when he easily could have been starting 3 years somewhere else. He has deceptive speed if he really wanted to he could probably run a 4.4 4.5 at worst. We will see how he develops as a pro prospect as the year goes on but right now I couldn't see him going any higher than the 2nd round.

703SKINS202
09-17-2009, 01:06 PM
anywhere i can see highlights of the game? those are some nasty stats and everything ive read about the game says brown was awesome. JB is quickly rising up my board.
These are some great highlights from the ECU game last week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB72s88n1z8&feature=player_embedded

703SKINS202
09-17-2009, 01:11 PM
By the way I'd rather have Noel Devine aka Darren Sproles 2.0 in the 2nd rather than JB I think:)

DiG
09-17-2009, 01:11 PM
These are some great highlights from the ECU game last week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB72s88n1z8&feature=player_embedded

Thanks. I agree hes probably a 4th rounder or so at this point and could see his way into the 3rd. Hed really have to have one hell of a year and combine to work into the 2nd but I can definitely see him moving up into the 3rd round. I like so far what I see in him.

D-Unit
09-17-2009, 02:24 PM
Yup, while JB has a lot going for him athletically, he has some critical things that will go against him in the eyes of NFL scouts... 1 year starter, gimicky system, weak to mediocre competition...

critesy
09-19-2009, 09:47 PM
i dont care what anyone says i want jahvid best on this team.

toddmlazarchick
09-20-2009, 10:12 AM
If we are going with QB then give me Jimmy Clausen please.

DiG
09-20-2009, 09:49 PM
ouch tough game for JB this weekend. he needed to have a good outing at auburn but as bad as he played he probably dropped his stock a good bit.

colt got a nice win against texas tech. not an amazing game but a solid performance. i still want colt over clausen.

DiG
09-21-2009, 02:48 PM
Thoughts:

Jahvid Best in RD 1 vs Spiller in RD 1 vs Noel Devine RD 2?

I think it depends partially on whether or not we resign Campbell or we look to draft a QB. If we are drafting a qb than I think I would prefer QB in the first and Devine in the second but should Campbell be resigned than its a tough call because of our need for olineman as well. I would probably take Best over Spiller at this point in the first. Both guys have 2-3 inches on Devine and 15-20 lbs but Im not sold that either can take a full load any more than Devine and Im only really looking for someone to take on 10-12 carries to compliment Portis anyway.

For me, Im leaning towards Devine. His 130 yd, 8.5 ypc, 3 tds performance against Auburn was impressive.

thule
09-21-2009, 02:53 PM
I was at the Minnesota game...Best did nothing to note except use his speed to beat a SLOW team. He won't be doing that in the NFL....I don't think there is any way he will go in the first round. 3rd - 4th round imo. He didn't break tackles period....and I'm not talking about solid tackles...I'm talking about arm tackes...desperation tackles. He also wasn't as elusive as I had expected. He isn't in the class of Darren Sproles imo.

DiG
09-21-2009, 02:55 PM
I was at the Minnesota game...Best did nothing to note except use his speed to beat a SLOW team. He won't be doing that in the NFL....I don't think there is any way he will go in the first round. 3rd - 4th round imo. He didn't break tackles period....and I'm not talking about solid tackles...I'm talking about arm tackes...desperation tackles. He also wasn't as elusive as I had expected. He isn't in the class of Darren Sproles imo.

interesting. i didnt get to see the game but thats good feedback to know. what are your thoughts on spiller and devine?

SeanTaylorRIP
09-26-2009, 05:32 PM
Noel Devine I'd love to have on the Skins. I don't think he could hold up with his frame as a full time back but as a complement he's so damn dynamic. I would like to see him improve his hands though. I wouldn't touch him in the first though. C.J. Spiller though is my #1 RB. He has a good build, world class speed, deceiving power, dynamic return ability, and can play WR better than most of the Skins wideouts.


Also the more and more I see Jevan Snead the less I want him. Colt is still my #1 with probably Tony Pike #2.

DiG
09-27-2009, 01:37 PM
Noel Devine I'd love to have on the Skins. I don't think he could hold up with his frame as a full time back but as a complement he's so damn dynamic. I would like to see him improve his hands though. I wouldn't touch him in the first though. C.J. Spiller though is my #1 RB. He has a good build, world class speed, deceiving power, dynamic return ability, and can play WR better than most of the Skins wideouts.


Also the more and more I see Jevan Snead the less I want him. Colt is still my #1 with probably Tony Pike #2.

i agree completely on all points here. colts my #1, pikes my #2, and id love devine in rd 2. unfortunately qb in rd 1 and devine in rd 2 would mean we are still stuck with a completely inept offensive line....

JRTPlaya21
09-27-2009, 03:08 PM
I'm sick to my stomach. We need lineman, a better qb, a solid backup running back. Anybody better then DeAngelo Falls & Rogers would help too.

DiG
09-27-2009, 05:52 PM
I'm sick to my stomach. We need lineman, a better qb, a solid backup running back. Anybody better then DeAngelo Falls & Rogers would help too.

game was blacked out for me so i unfortunately had to miss it. from what ive read and from following online, it looks like we still arent getting enough pressure on the quarterback. this lions offense is one that we should have been putting consistent pressure. rakpo got his first sack which is good but with haynesworth going out our line shut down. hope hes ok. we need him big time. it doesnt sound like todays game was as much campbells fault as it was a lot of other guys not stepping up but at the end of the day if we dont win games its going to be campbell that leaves this team whether its his fault or not. if he leaves then we will definitely need at least 1 qb, 3 olineman, a speed back, and cb.

hopefully jarmon develops so that we dont need another de. i really like him and having used our 3rd rd on him i think hell get his chance. either rakpo plays linebacker and we need to think about another de or rakpo plays de and we need to think about another lber.

an option i like:

FA
Chad Pennington, QB
Jahri Evans, OL or Daryn Colledge, OL
Rocky McIntosh, LB (Resign)
Carlos Rogers, CB (Resign) or Ellis Hobbs, CB

RD 1 - Russell Okung, OT
RD 2 - Tony Pike, QB
RD 4 - JD Walton, C

2 Live Crew
09-30-2009, 10:46 AM
Anyone else getting a sinking feeling that the double headed monster that is Cerrato/Snyder is going to draft Tebow next year??

Seems like the kind of pick they would LOVE to make...I feel like the planets are starting to align for it to happen...

703SKINS202
09-30-2009, 11:59 AM
Anyone else getting a sinking feeling that the double headed monster that is Cerrato/Snyder is going to draft Tebow next year??

Seems like the kind of pick they would LOVE to make...I feel like the planets are starting to align for it to happen...
Absolutely not. Don't know if I could be a fan of the skins if it happened.

DiG
10-02-2009, 07:33 AM
man every time i watch devine play i want him more. he is so unbelievably dynamic and explosive. his speed, acceleration, and vision are awesome.

watch devine and brown from last night: http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=292740277

nice bounce back game for jarrett brown last night. 12/19, 150 yards, 2 tds, and 0 ints.

kipers updated big board is out. some interesting changes. pike moved up to 23 and snead dropped off. mccoy has moved up to 6. i expected okung to be higher than 9 but i think he will be by the end of the year. spiller making his way up also to 14.

1. Sam Bradford
2. Eric Berry
3. Ndamukong Suh
4. Gerald McCoy
5. Carlos Dunlap
6. Colt McCoy
7. Taylor Mays
8. Dez Bryant
9. Russell Okung
10. Jahvid Best
11. Terrence Cody
12. Sean Weatherspoon
13. Greg Hardy
14. C.J. Spiller
15. Sergio Kindle
16. Brandon Graham
17. Jermaine Gresham
18. Trent Williams
19. Jerry Hughes
20. Charles Brown
21. Brandon Spikes
22. Sean Lee
23. Tony Pike
24. Eric Norwood
25. Mardy Gilyard

SeanTaylorRIP
10-02-2009, 08:02 AM
I'm probably alone on this one here but even if we were somehow in position to take him I simply am not a Bradford fan and don't want him on the Skins. Snead dropping off is probably Mel thinking he will go back for his Senior year, which he should. I'm sure it must have hurt for Mel to do that because just weeks ago he was calling Snead a top 5 pick and possibly the #1 pick. Obviously we don't need another DT but I got to say Suh is probably my favorite player in the college game right now. He is just such an explosive DT. Lol imagine him with Albert getting to the QB all day.

DiG
10-02-2009, 08:05 AM
I'm probably alone on this one here but even if we were somehow in position to take him I simply am not a Bradford fan and don't want him on the Skins. Snead dropping off is probably Mel thinking he will go back for his Senior year, which he should. I'm sure it must have hurt for Mel to do that because just weeks ago he was calling Snead a top 5 pick and possibly the #1 pick. Obviously we don't need another DT but I got to say Suh is probably my favorite player in the college game right now. He is just such an explosive DT. Lol imagine him with Albert getting to the QB all day.

if we went 3-4 than id be all for drafting Suh. Haynesworth and Suh on a 3-4 line would be amazing. and you arent alone on bradford. i like bradford but i dont like bradford as a top 5 pick. top 10 maybe but even thats borderline for me. colt mccoy is still the guy i want at qb and pike is coming in at a close second now.

strip what do you think of devine in the early 3rd? will he even be there? would early second be too early to take him?

2 Live Crew
10-02-2009, 11:03 AM
I'm down for Colt McCoy as well...I like Devine too but we don't have a 3rd Dirty...I think we need OL before a RB like Devine so we might just be SOL either way.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-02-2009, 03:15 PM
if we went 3-4 than id be all for drafting Suh. Haynesworth and Suh on a 3-4 line would be amazing. and you arent alone on bradford. i like bradford but i dont like bradford as a top 5 pick. top 10 maybe but even thats borderline for me. colt mccoy is still the guy i want at qb and pike is coming in at a close second now.

strip what do you think of devine in the early 3rd? will he even be there? would early second be too early to take him?

I think Devine is definitely going day 1. I don't think early round 2 for him is a reach depending on the talent available at other positions. Ideally I'd want Okung in the first round, Sean Lee or Devine at the top of the 2nd and then Jarrett Brown or Dan Lefevour in the 4th to compete with Colt while still bringing in a vet QB who would probably start.

DiG
10-02-2009, 03:22 PM
I think Devine is definitely going day 1. I don't think early round 2 for him is a reach depending on the talent available at other positions. Ideally I'd want Okung in the first round, Sean Lee or Devine at the top of the 2nd and then Jarrett Brown or Dan Lefevour in the 4th to compete with Colt while still bringing in a vet QB who would probably start.

agree 100% with you here.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-02-2009, 03:24 PM
It's so tough because we could use new blood and talent at every single position on the team except maybe safety, although it wouldn't surprise me if they thought that Horton needs to be replaced long term. Damnit we should trade Landry for a QB and draft Eric Berry!!!

703SKINS202
10-02-2009, 03:28 PM
Devine would be awesome, Brown just reminds me too much of Campbell at times but I couldn't hate on bringing him in to be a developmental qb.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-02-2009, 05:11 PM
Devine would be awesome, Brown just reminds me too much of Campbell at times but I couldn't hate on bringing him in to be a developmental qb.

I don't think they are that similar really. Brown is another world of athleticism. He is an actual strong scrambling QB like a Troy Smith. Also Brown has a much quicker release than Campbell. Brown is actually the complete opposite of Campbell. Campbell is the most cerebral QB in a bad way as he is so slow to process his reads and make the throws. Brown is a wild card. He's a playmaker who takes so many chances and can make so many unique throws from unique positions. Campbell is about as vanilla a QB you can find while Brown is one of the more unconventional QB's in the college game.

DiG
10-03-2009, 09:11 AM
I don't think they are that similar really. Brown is another world of athleticism. He is an actual strong scrambling QB like a Troy Smith. Also Brown has a much quicker release than Campbell. Brown is actually the complete opposite of Campbell. Campbell is the most cerebral QB in a bad way as he is so slow to process his reads and make the throws. Brown is a wild card. He's a playmaker who takes so many chances and can make so many unique throws from unique positions. Campbell is about as vanilla a QB you can find while Brown is one of the more unconventional QB's in the college game.

i agree strip. they are big and black and have strong arms but i think thats just about where the comparisons end. brown is a duel threat to break a huge run and will probably run in the 4.5s. campbell is slow. slow to read. slow to throw. i think he ran a 4.7 at the combine which isnt bad for a qb but he never seems to be as mobile as you would think. as you said browns also got a quicker release which is something skins fans would love to see. hes not as polished as campbell was coming out and doesnt have the experience he had but thats why hes a 3-5 rd grade and not a 1-2.

DiG
10-12-2009, 09:03 AM
Week 5 Skins Draft Rankings by Position:

QB
1. Jake Locker - Tough call between Bradford and Locker. I love that Locker comes from a pro style offense and can make plays with his feet. I think this gives him the edge on being able to make a more immediate impact.

2. Sam Bradford - Good first game back from injury for Bradford. Seems like he hadnt really lost a step. He was throwing well and making good reads. Hes still a top 5 pick until he proves otherwise. This weeks game against Texas will be huge.

3. Colt McCoy - Watched him play this weekend. I love his quick release. Even his interception was a great throw but was dropped by the receiver and bounced into the defenses hands. I cant wait for Okl vs Texas this weekend. True test for McCoy and Bradford.

4. Tony Pike - Moving up boards with every successful game. Pikes not going to beat you with his legs but has such an impressive throwing motion and a big arm. His accuracy has been on point this year at 67% completion. Some big games coming up, especially prime time this week vs South Floridas tough defense.

5. Dan LeFevour - LeFevour really impresses me. Obviously the level of competition is going to hurt his stock but I still really like him. Hes not fast but has really good footwork and he throws a really nice ball. His 72% accuracy this year and 12 td 4 int ration aint bad either.

6. Jarrett Brown - I honestly think that if Jarrett had started as a sophomore or even a junior that hed be much higher on most boards. I watched the WVU game this weekend and saw some really good things in Jarrett. His arm is crazy strong and he throws accurately on the run.

OT
1. Russell Okung
2. Brian Bulaga
3. Anthony Davis
4. Trent Williams
5. Charles Brown
6. Selvish Capers

Dream Draft 1:
RD 1 - Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
RD 2 - Charles Brown, OT, USC
RD 4 - Thomas Austin, OG, Clemson
RD 5 - James Starks, RB, Buffalo

SeanTaylorRIP
10-12-2009, 09:12 AM
TBH I really am not a fan of any of the top tier QB's. Drafting Locker IMO is such a huge risk. Bradford tbh I really have never been a fan of. Yes he has a quick delivery and is insanely accurate but even taking away from the equation that he could potentially be injury prone, he doesn't have anything but average arm strength, and he has never been mobile at all in the pocket.I think he's just a slightly better version of Matt Leinart. I'm sort of a Colt McCoy and Tony Pike fan but definitely not where we are drafting. I am in full support of taking an OT first round and talking at the top of the second whoever drops between McCoy and Pike. Okung though is really the only franchise LT I see in this draft worthy of eventually replacing Chris Samuels.

Now if Jimmy Clausen declares that's one first round QB I wouldn't mind having even though I hate him and Notre Dame and he's one ugly mofo.

DiG
10-12-2009, 09:16 AM
TBH I really am not a fan of any of the top tier QB's.

I am in full support of taking an OT first round and talking at the top of the second whoever drops between McCoy and Pike..

Im with you on this one as you can see in my first two dream draft scenarios, I would much prefer to go OT in the first and QB later. I really like Locker but Im not sold yet that hes a guaranteed thing and without an improved oline hes a sitting duck. fortunately though hes the only early qb that can make it happen with his feet if he needed to. hes the only qb at this point that id really want in the early first but my preference would be OT then QB.

703SKINS202
10-13-2009, 09:11 AM
For Dirty
Cincinnati’s Tony Pike is one of the hottest prospects in the country right now and could be in the second or third round mix when all is said and done. Physically Pike has everything you look for and he is still coming into his own with this being his first full season as a starter. I would maybe compare Pike to Jason Campbell when he was coming out of Auburn.
Lol, o no. I actually think Pike doesn't have as strong an arm as Campbell but he does a lot of things better than him.

DiG
10-13-2009, 10:57 AM
For Dirty

Lol, o no. I actually think Pike doesn't have as strong an arm as Campbell but he does a lot of things better than him.

I dont know where you pulled that but I call BS. Pikes got a much faster decision making/delivery and has great touch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYW-TPgliSo

703SKINS202
10-13-2009, 02:03 PM
I dont know where you pulled that but I call BS. Pikes got a much faster decision making/delivery and has great touch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYW-TPgliSo
It's from Scott Wright himself...front page.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-13-2009, 02:06 PM
Well when Jason was coming out because he had such great O-line play, Ben Grubbs, Marcus McNeill, etc., we didn't really know how slow he was at reading and making decisions. He basically had time to sit back and use his cannon when his receivers would eventually get open. While Pike also hasn't been pushed like he will from NFL defenses, you can already see his much quicker release and mobility in the pocket.

treyskins
10-13-2009, 06:39 PM
Im with you on this one as you can see in my first two dream draft scenarios, I would much prefer to go OT in the first and QB later. I really like Locker but Im not sold yet that hes a guaranteed thing and without an improved oline hes a sitting duck. fortunately though hes the only early qb that can make it happen with his feet if he needed to. hes the only qb at this point that id really want in the early first but my preference would be OT then QB.

I think im in on taking an O.T. first,but would not even bother taking a q.b. in 2010.
Why?

Ive heard chris samuels has stenosis?in his neck(thats why he wears that huge neck support) -he might not play again!
No samuels/randy thomas/rabach in his last year of contract and heyor not improving;
I'd draft round 1 left tackle
round 2-right tackle
round 4-running back
round 5-guard
round 7-a def.tackle(no monty and griffin gone)

Any decent free agent tackle is going to be expensive-plus we need some linebackers,a def tackle to replace griff,probably a corner to replace rogers and a quarterback who fits the new coaches scheme.

critesy
10-13-2009, 08:08 PM
rebuilding for the win. lets trade portis while we can (and let him win again) and run mason to the ground. throw to cooley every play.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-13-2009, 08:37 PM
Any FA QB's this year capable of starting for a year or two?

703SKINS202
10-13-2009, 08:57 PM
Any FA QB's this year capable of starting for a year or two?
The top 3 are looking like Campbell, Orton and Pennington. A lot will depend on what coach comes in what scheme we ultimately end up running. Campbell has had his shot here and I dont think the fans will support him as our QB again next year, he's a great guy but I think we have seen most of his potential. If Orton takes the Broncos to the playoffs which seems very likely at this point I don't know why Denver wouldn't resign him since he is only 26 and a proven winner. Pennington is a possibility but he has minimal arm strength and has proven to be very injury prone in his career especially as of late. Pretty much, I think were screwed. I would love to get a top tier OT but knowing Snyder he wont enter the season with a QB that doesn't sell seats. Here is a list of dregs that we could also potentially sign as a stopgap until we find a franchise qb:
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)
Kyle Boller, St. Louis Rams (28)
David Carr, New York Giants (30)
Kellen Clemens, New York Jets (26)
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit Lions (32)
Jeff Garcia, Oakland Raiders (39)
Rex Grossman, Houston Texans (29)
Joey Harrington, New Orleans Saints (30)
Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Jon Kitna, Dallas Cowboys (36)
Matt Moore, Carolina Panthers (25) – Restricted FA
Patrick Ramsey, Tennessee Titans (30)
Brett Ratliff, Cleveland Browns (24) – Exclusive Rights FA
Troy Smith, Baltimore Ravens (25) – Restricted FA

The only one that I might be ok with is Kellen Clemens. All the others are basically career backups and really old. I just can't see us not going after a Bradford, Clausen or McCoy type name in this draft, no matter what it costs Snyder. Like I said I would personally love to draft a future LT but if we are to go after QB sign me up for Jake Locker.

critesy
10-13-2009, 11:55 PM
lets get cleo lemon

DiG
10-14-2009, 07:54 AM
chad pennington ftw! im dead serious. he doesnt have arm strength but he is a west coast guy, makes quick decisions, and gets rid of the ball fast. im all for taking tackles in the first and second round this year. let a guy like pennington compete with colt. if we dont rebuild this offensive line than no one will be able to play quarterback behind it. i dont want to trade portis but i am all for drafting another back in the 2nd or 4th round. cut ties with betts and rock and bring in someone that can be a playmaker. in the 4th and later rounds im a big fan of james starks. starks is missing this entire season for buffalo with a shoulder injury and could be a real steal. he was an absolute beast the past few years putting up 3,140 yards and 34 tds in his career at Buffalo. He'll be back for the combine and supposed runs in 4.45 range.

Unfortunately there arent a lot of speed backs this year in the mid rounds. Michael Smith from Arkansas is one. Hes very fast but like Devine has a really small frame. Chris Brown from Oklahoma is another guy that is intriguing. He might not be around in the 4th but the 2nd might be a bit early for him. Kendall Hunter returns this week from injury. If he can put together a good second half of the year at Oklahoma State than he might be a guy really worth looking into also but as a junior and with his injury im guessing he will go back for his senior year.

Maybe something like this:

RD 1 - Okung, LT, Oklahoma State
RD 2 - Charles Brown, OT, USC / Selvish Capers, OT, WVU
RD 4 - Thomas Austin, OG, Clemson
RD 5 - James Starks, RB, Buffalo

or

RD 1 - Okung, LT, Okl State
RD 2- Noel Devine, RB, WVU
RD 4 - Kyle Calloway, OT, Iowa
RD 5 - Eric Olsen, C, Notre Dame

2 Live Crew
10-14-2009, 08:27 AM
Colt can be the QB next year as long as we draft some protection for him...thats fine with me

If we continue to have a crap O-line than just put Pennington in there for a year to take the pounding.

DiG
10-14-2009, 08:33 AM
Colt can be the QB next year as long as we draft some protection for him...thats fine with me


thats what im sayin. draft 3 olineman early and another rb and colt gets one chance and one chance only to make something. sink or swim. otherwise we draft Ryan Mallett or Blaine Gabbert in 2011.

Canadian_draft_fan
10-14-2009, 08:52 AM
Colt can be the QB next year as long as we draft some protection for him...thats fine with me


This is where we part company. Starting Colt in 2010 will be an unmitigated disaster, IMO. We will be guaranteed a top 5 pick. I could handle Pennington for a year and draft Jarrett Brown in the 2nd round and develop him. I'd even favor trading down in the 1st (pick up a 3rd) and draft OTs with our 1st & 3rd round picks. We'd still need a RB and OLB, IMO (I am hoping the next regime puts Orakpo at DE full time and ends this idiotic SLB experiment).

DiG
10-14-2009, 09:03 AM
This is where we part company. Starting Colt in 2010 will be an unmitigated disaster, IMO. We will be guaranteed a top 5 pick. I could handle Pennington for a year and draft Jarrett Brown in the 2nd round and develop him. I'd even favor trading down in the 1st (pick up a 3rd) and draft OTs with our 1st & 3rd round picks. We'd still need a RB and OLB, IMO (I am hoping the next regime puts Orakpo at DE full time and ends this idiotic SLB experiment).

im by no means handing over the starting job to Colt but at this point we have to rehaul the oline. we can try in FA to bring in someone but there isnt a lot out there and no one is going to want to come here. We bring in Pennington and we let him and Colt compete. Most likely Pennington either gets hurt or by mid season Colt gets his shot. And if starting Colt turns into a disaster than we are in a position to draft a fanchise qb and hopefully be able to put him in behind a young promising oline. Theres a good chance Samuels career is over and we cannot afford to start a rookie qb behind d'anthony batiste, dockery, rabach, mike williams, and heyer...he will fail before he starts.

Canadian_draft_fan
10-14-2009, 09:41 AM
im by no means handing over the starting job to Colt but at this point we have to rehaul the oline. we can try in FA to bring in someone but there isnt a lot out there and no one is going to want to come here. We bring in Pennington and we let him and Colt compete. Most likely Pennington either gets hurt or by mid season Colt gets his shot. And if starting Colt turns into a disaster than we are in a position to draft a fanchise qb and hopefully be able to put him in behind a young promising oline. Theres a good chance Samuels career is over and we cannot afford to start a rookie qb behind d'anthony batiste, dockery, rabach, mike williams, and heyer...he will fail before he starts.
No argument here - we have to improve the Oline if this franchise has any chance of progressing. Drafting 2 OTs with early picks would suit me fine (as would drafting an OG with a later pick). I'd favor tading down with our 1st rounder to get more picks because God knows Danny & vinny have left the cupboard bare as far as depth is concerned.

2 Live Crew
10-14-2009, 09:46 AM
Agree with DT...its not that I'd be thrilled about starting Colt next year, its just that the other options are pretty slim. The FA QB's are pretty bland...no one of any significance there, and we already know what all of them are.

We haven't seen Colt play at all in the regular season so we're not totally sure what we have here. He could be a star in the making...you never know with these things. Then again he could be nothing...I'd like to find out either way.

But since Vinny has epically failed at building an O-line its gonna be tough for any young QB back there.

Canadian_draft_fan
10-14-2009, 10:07 AM
Agree with DT...its not that I'd be thrilled about starting Colt next year, its just that the other options are pretty slim. The FA QB's are pretty bland...no one of any significance there, and we already know what all of them are.

We haven't seen Colt play at all in the regular season so we're not totally sure what we have here. He could be a star in the making...you never know with these things. Then again he could be nothing...I'd like to find out either way.

But since Vinny has epically failed at building an O-line its gonna be tough for any young QB back there.
Fine, but remember that Colt is a Zorn pick. A new regime will have no allegiance to him. I think he will have to have a GREAT camp/preseason to even make the roster much less start, IMO.

DiG
10-14-2009, 10:13 AM
Fine, but remember that Colt is a Zorn pick. A new regime will have no allegiance to him. I think he will have to have a GREAT camp/preseason to even make the roster much less start, IMO.

Can't argue that but at the same time you look at the other FA qbs and theres no better option out there. Gruden, Holmgren, and Shanahan are all WCO guys so should any of them take over than Colts still got as good a shot as anyone.

I remember word around draft time was shanahan liked Colt but already had Cutler and Colt just feels like someone Gruden would love to groom.

DiG
10-14-2009, 12:28 PM
new chris paul song is hard:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNK47XFQEjM

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Again there is no way in hell Snyder considers giving Colt a try especially if Zorn is gone, Colt doesn't even have a secure roster spot. We are going to draft a first round QB or trade for one, guaranteed. Wouldn't surprise me if we got involved in some Brady Quinn talks.

DiG
10-14-2009, 02:03 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if we got involved in some Brady Quinn talks.

i do honestly think quinn will be a skin by weeks end. still not sure how i feel about it. but well see.

703SKINS202
10-14-2009, 02:09 PM
What are Quinn's strengths and weaknesses? I know he has struggled but the Browns are a mess like us. Haven't seen much film on him in the NFL.

D-Unit
10-14-2009, 06:14 PM
My thoughts...

Synder is not a man with patience even though he's forced to be. If he's got a shot to take a QB next year, I don't think he'll hesitate to pull the trigger on a Locker, Bradford or Claussen. Anyone outside of those 3 and I think he'll pass. Developing a QB is probably not an option any more. He's got Colt for that. I disagree that Colt is tied to the hip with Zorn. I can see Zorn getting fired but Snyder not wanting to let Colt follow him.

If Holmgren is hired, Zorn will most likely be retained as an OC. ...and Colt will stay. If Holmgren gets hired anywhere and Zorn is fired, then I still see Zorn following him. If Snyder lets Colt go, Colt will definitely find a spot where ever Holmgren ends up at. ...and you could see a Matt Hasselbeck story all over again. If you remember, Hasselbeck was behind Favre in GB and when Holmgren took the Seattle job he made sure he brought Hasselbeck with him.

But like I said.. I don't think Snyder lets go of Colt even if Zorn is fired. I just don't think the 2 are tied to the hip.

But let me just say... I'd rather Colt not start if it meant lining up behind a bad OL.

Canadian_draft_fan
10-15-2009, 11:49 AM
My thoughts...

Synder is not a man with patience even though he's forced to be. If he's got a shot to take a QB next year, I don't think he'll hesitate to pull the trigger on a Locker, Bradford or Claussen. Anyone outside of those 3 and I think he'll pass. Developing a QB is probably not an option any more. He's got Colt for that. I disagree that Colt is tied to the hip with Zorn. I can see Zorn getting fired but Snyder not wanting to let Colt follow him.

If Holmgren is hired, Zorn will most likely be retained as an OC. ...and Colt will stay. If Holmgren gets hired anywhere and Zorn is fired, then I still see Zorn following him. If Snyder lets Colt go, Colt will definitely find a spot where ever Holmgren ends up at. ...and you could see a Matt Hasselbeck story all over again. If you remember, Hasselbeck was behind Favre in GB and when Holmgren took the Seattle job he made sure he brought Hasselbeck with him.

But like I said.. I don't think Snyder lets go of Colt even if Zorn is fired. I just don't think the 2 are tied to the hip.

But let me just say... I'd rather Colt not start if it meant lining up behind a bad OL.
D-Unit, you raise some interesting points. I'm not saying this won't happen but I would have my doubts:
1. If Zorn is fired & Holmgren hired I doubt Zorn is retained as OC. Again, could happen but I doubt it. Zorn was never promoted to OC under Holmgren - that speaks volumes to me.
2. Colt could be retained but would just as likley to be cut before training camp, IMO.

If Colt does have a similar career as Hasselback I will be the first to apoligize to you. I feel he is backup caliber talent at best and would be better off in the CFL.

D-Unit
10-15-2009, 05:51 PM
D-Unit, you raise some interesting points. I'm not saying this won't happen but I would have my doubts:
1. If Zorn is fired & Holmgren hired I doubt Zorn is retained as OC. Again, could happen but I doubt it. Zorn was never promoted to OC under Holmgren - that speaks volumes to me.
2. Colt could be retained but would just as likley to be cut before training camp, IMO.

If Colt does have a similar career as Hasselback I will be the first to apoligize to you. I feel he is backup caliber talent at best and would be better off in the CFL.
I'm not saying it would happen either. Just some speculation. Like I said, I don't think he'll think twice before pulling the trigger on a top QB in the draft... but he won't take on a project QB, even if it's another talented project 1st rounder like Campbell was. So Colt McCoy, Jevan Snead, or a later round developmental QB... those types of QBs... my guess is Snyder will pass. He's already got a developmental QB in Colt. There's no reason for him to let Colt walk just because Zorn gets pushed out. I'm not really buying that logic. Everyone says it, but I'm not believing. Say Snyder drafts Jake Locker... I still think Synder keeps Colt. You always need at least 3 QBs on the roster.

DiG
10-16-2009, 07:23 AM
I cooled a little on Pike last night. Not because I dont think he could be a good quarterback but watching him play it was more evident that hes not as far along as I originally thought. Still a good prospect in my eyes but I dont quite see him breaking the first round. I know its a cliche but I have a hard time drafting a franchise quarterback prospect that takes all his snaps from shotgun. Not to say that a college qb of that style cant succeed in the NFL, I just have a hard time drafting one early that does. Its a longer transition than I think most suspect. Like I said, I still like Pike, just as more of a mid 2nd grade.

703SKINS202
10-16-2009, 11:11 AM
I cooled a little on Pike last night. Not because I dont think he could be a good quarterback but watching him play it was more evident that hes not as far along as I originally thought. Still a good prospect in my eyes but I dont quite see him breaking the first round. I know its a cliche but I have a hard time drafting a franchise quarterback prospect that takes all his snaps from shotgun. Not to say that a college qb of that style cant succeed in the NFL, I just have a hard time drafting one early that does. Its a longer transition than I think most suspect. Like I said, I still like Pike, just as more of a mid 2nd grade.
The thing that concerns me the most is his ball velocity and or arm strength I dont know if they are related or that is just the way he throws.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-16-2009, 01:15 PM
I cooled a little on Pike last night. Not because I dont think he could be a good quarterback but watching him play it was more evident that hes not as far along as I originally thought. Still a good prospect in my eyes but I dont quite see him breaking the first round. I know its a cliche but I have a hard time drafting a franchise quarterback prospect that takes all his snaps from shotgun. Not to say that a college qb of that style cant succeed in the NFL, I just have a hard time drafting one early that does. Its a longer transition than I think most suspect. Like I said, I still like Pike, just as more of a mid 2nd grade.

Than I guess Bradford and McCoy are out of question then.

treyskins
10-16-2009, 05:35 PM
Doesn't vinny have a connection with notre dame?

If he stays(sigh) i can see the redskins being very interested in jimmy clausen.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-27-2009, 03:21 PM
Doesn't vinny have a connection with notre dame?

If he stays(sigh) i can see the redskins being very interested in jimmy clausen.

I'm not a big Clausen fan but as long as we don't get Bradford or Snead I'll be happy.

DiG
11-09-2009, 08:56 AM
the skins HAVE to take an OT in the first round right? i honestly think that we not only have the worst starting offensive line in football right now but it has to be one of the worst in nfl history.

LT - Heyer (Wouldnt start at lt or rt on 75% or more of NFL teams)
LG - Dockery (only guy on the line playing decent)
C - Rabach (32 years old and is awful. gave up 2nd most sacks in the NFL last year and has to be on the same pace this year if not worse)
RG - Will Montgomery (7th rd draft pick cut by the Panthers. Wouldnt start anywhere else)
RT - Mike Williams (Yes he is seriously starting)

I think OT rankings right now are in flux. Okung is the clear cut #1 at this point but the next 3-4 guys could vary in order completely between now and draft day. At this point I would probably go:

1. Russell Okung, Okl St
2. Trent Williams
3. Brian Bulaga
4. Anthony Davis
5. Bruce Campbell
6. Charles Brown

After Okung I could see any of those other guys rising or falling but I have to believe at least 1 of them will warner a top 10 pick come draft day. Anyway, heres an updated Skins mock that I would want to see, considering we resign McIntosh and let Carlos Rogers and Campbell walk:

RD 1 - Russell Okung, OT, Okl State
RD 2 (trade down to pick up a 3rd) - Noel Devine, RB, WVU
RD 3 - Mike Johnson, OG, Alabama
RD 4 - Perry Riley, OLB, LSU

We'd have to snag a cb in FA, preferably Richard Marshall, Leigh Bodden, or Ellis Hobbs. At QB we have little option. Orton, Cullpepper, and Pennington are the only FAs that can be NFL starters. Itll be interesting to see what Denver does. I doubt they dont resign Orton. I honestly cannot rationalize taking a qb early in this draft without addressing the offensive line first and i dont see a franchise qb in this draft class. Vick is a flyer too that could get some consideration. In an uncapped year we would keep Rogers and Campbell as RFAs for another season unless we straight cut them. Campbell would start the season, and Colt would probably start by week 10.

2 Live Crew
11-09-2009, 09:32 AM
Yes we have to draft OT in the first no matter what basically. Hopefully Okung is there...if not then take the next best. Its unfortunate that Vinny has put the team in this position.

Any young QB is going to get drilled, David Carr style, behind this o-line. We at least need a serviceable O-line before we stick a potential franchise QB behind it.

I'm down with spending the first 3 picks on O-line. Although I'd like to get a Noel Devine - playmaker type RB on offense.

DiG
11-09-2009, 02:24 PM
From the outside looking in, im hoping that we finish with a better record than the rams, browns, and bucs and worse than the lions, chiefs, and raiders. i dont foresee the rams, browns, or bucs looking at taking okung but i could see the lions, chiefs, and raiders all being interested. and hopefully either the rams or browns would take qb. im not sure the raiders would go OT either in the first. i am worried about what we would do if okung was taken before our pick and i dont like most scenarios.

703SKINS202
11-09-2009, 02:56 PM
From the outside looking in, im hoping that we finish with a better record than the rams, browns, and bucs and worse than the lions, chiefs, and raiders. i dont foresee the rams, browns, or bucs looking at taking okung but i could see the lions, chiefs, and raiders all being interested. and hopefully either the rams or browns would take qb. im not sure the raiders would go OT either in the first. i am worried about what we would do if okung was taken before our pick and i dont like most scenarios.
Yea hopefully okung doesnt run a good 40 time if we pick after the raiders.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 03:10 PM
Okung is a top 5 pick regardless and very possible #1 overall depending on who picks first. I know we need O-line but tbh if we don't get Okung there isn't a single Tackle I see other than him who is a standout LT. The rest of the guys like Bulaga and Davis can be solid LT's but are more suitable as standout RT's, and tbh I don't want to spend a top 10 and potentially top 5 pick on a RT or serviceable LT. It's only one pick and it can't correct the structural errors we have made the past decade, so tbh I don't mind drafting any position if Okung is not available. I really would have no problem in hell drafting an impact player like Eric Berry and just signing a serviceable tackle instead of wasting a top 10 pick. A top 10 pick is a very valuable thing and you should never compromise talent for need when you have endless holes on our roster like we do. Hell if we want to drafting Suh would give us the nastiest D-line. Also if we are picking in the 8-13 range I would support drafting a replacement for London in Rolando McClain, or drafting Sean Weatherspoon to move Orakpo to DE. Also everyone knows how I think Spiller is top 10 talent.

DiG
11-09-2009, 03:25 PM
Okung is a top 5 pick regardless and very possible #1 overall depending on who picks first. I know we need O-line but tbh if we don't get Okung there isn't a single Tackle I see other than him who is a standout LT. The rest of the guys like Bulaga and Davis can be solid LT's but are more suitable as standout RT's, and tbh I don't want to spend a top 10 and potentially top 5 pick on a RT or serviceable LT. It's only one pick and it can't correct the structural errors we have made the past decade, so tbh I don't mind drafting any position if Okung is not available. I really would have no problem in hell drafting an impact player like Eric Berry and just signing a serviceable tackle instead of wasting a top 10 pick. A top 10 pick is a very valuable thing and you should never compromise talent for need when you have endless holes on our roster like we do. Hell if we want to drafting Suh would give us the nastiest D-line. Also if we are picking in the 8-13 range I would support drafting a replacement for London in Rolando McClain, or drafting Sean Weatherspoon to move Orakpo to DE. Also everyone knows how I think Spiller is top 10 talent.

i agree with most of what you are saying here except spiller being a top 10. im all for drafting a playmaker like spiller but i just dont think hes worth top 10 value. id much prefer someone in rd 2-4.

im praying that we can land okung because i agree right now there arent any other LTs worth a top 10 pick and the only way i want one of the other guys projected as first rounder right now would be in a trade down. which wouldnt be bad considering our needs if okung were off the board. and in terms of signing someone serviceable thats what has gotten us where we are now. to be honest i wouldnt be opposed to trading up for okung if thats what it took. hopefully though we are in a place where we can draft him.

im also a big mclain fan and a big weatherspoon fan i just think our need on the oline is way too big to allow luxury picks like lber in the first.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 03:28 PM
That will be the day when the Skins trade down for the purpose of acquiring extra picks and building depth. DT you are thinking logically, you however have to think how the skins FO thinks and that is completely different.

DiG
11-09-2009, 05:44 PM
That will be the day when the Skins trade down for the purpose of acquiring extra picks and building depth. DT you are thinking logically, you however have to think how the skins FO thinks and that is completely different.

Well they way this years turning out you have to think there's at least a chance cerrato gets the boot. And maybe jus maybe someone logical takes over.

2 Live Crew
11-10-2009, 09:18 AM
Usually I would agree with STRIP, taking talent over need. But the fact is, we need a LT and a RT. I'd rather not draft Spiller top 10. He'd struggle behind an inept O-line and would have no passing game to back him up. Plus with the turnover rate of RB's...I have to pass on that right now.

If Okung is gone, I guess I can get behind some of the top Defenders in this draft but...we have to address this putrid O-line at some point.

DiG
11-12-2009, 09:07 AM
interesting kiper quote to discuss.
http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/29361

"You take the QB. You don't worry about the line. You develop the line. You don't worry about protecting a QB. You can't not take a QB because your line isn't good enough. St. Louis could have taken a QB. They could have had Mark Sanchez, but they took Jason Smith. Now they'll be looking at QB this year when they would have taken one last year. Remember Miami gambled a few years ago, Quintar. They took Jake Long No. 1, they did not take Matt Ryan and they ended up with Chad Henne late in the second round. People forget that they even took Phil Merling early in the second round before Henne. People are still figuring out if that was a good idea. Matt Ryan has played well and Henne is still developing. I've always believed if there's a QB worthy of being in the top 5, you take the QB. Cleveland did that a few years ago with Joe Thomas. Then they got Brady Quinn later in the first round. You take the highly regarded QB over the highly regarded LT."

For me, I agree with Kiper. You take the franchise qb over the LT if they are both on the board. BUT, in this draft, I just dont know that any of the top qbs are "franchise" qbs. clausen, locker, bradford, they all have legitimate question marks and im not sure any of them are franchise prospects to the liking of matt ryan, cutler, rivers, manning, etc.

2 Live Crew
11-12-2009, 10:28 AM
For me, I agree with Kiper. You take the franchise qb over the LT if they are both on the board. BUT, in this draft, I just dont know that any of the top qbs are "franchise" qbs. clausen, locker, bradford, they all have legitimate question marks and im not sure any of them are franchise prospects to the liking of matt ryan, cutler, rivers, manning, etc.


Exactly...franchise QB>than anything else...But just because Clausen/Locker/Bradford are the first round QB's in the draft, that doesn't mean they are franchise QB's or that they are on the level of Ryan/Sanchez/Flacco...

Each draft has a different inventory.

Now, if your scouts think that Clausen is your franchise QB, than so be it. I personally have serious doubts about all of these QB's though.

DiG
11-12-2009, 10:54 AM
Exactly...franchise QB>than anything else...But just because Clausen/Locker/Bradford are the first round QB's in the draft, that doesn't mean they are franchise QB's or that they are on the level of Ryan/Sanchez/Flacco...

Each draft has a different inventory.

Now, if your scouts think that Clausen is your franchise QB, than so be it. I personally have serious doubts about all of these QB's though.

thats dead on with my thoughts too. sadly, im not sure next year will be much better if we are still in search but its too early to tell. snead and ponder will lead the senior class if they dont declare this year. with juniors declaring early your looking at guys like mallett, gabbert, and foles. all three are intriguing prospects that could mature and be top picks.

ill take andrew luck in two years over any of the guys previously mentioned.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-12-2009, 04:06 PM
I'll be happy with Locker or Claussen. I really love Locker as I see him having ridiculous upside but something in me just tells me he is a complete boom or bust. No in between.

DiG
11-13-2009, 08:16 AM
I'll be happy with Locker or Claussen. I really love Locker as I see him having ridiculous upside but something in me just tells me he is a complete boom or bust. No in between.

i just dont see clausen as an nfl franchise qb. i hate his arrogance. hes got an above average arm and is pretty accurate in the intermediate and long throws but he lacks any athleticism, doesnt have good touch on throws under 15 yards, and has no mobility. with the skins o-line the way it is clausen could get sacked more than carr did in houston when he was drafted. it honestly pains me to have to think about rooting for this guy:
http://206forthetwenties.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/jimmy-clausen.jpg

im with you on locker. i like his potential and i love that he is a throw first qb with the ability to make plays with his feet. love his attitude and work ethic a lot more than clausen. at the same time im worried too about his boom or bust potential and where i think he could be really good i think hes still inconsistent and a few years away and im afraid the skins will throw him in the fire too fast before hes ready.

with bradford his injuries are a huge concern to me. and i am not a proponent of drafting a qb in the top 10 from a spread offense. as a project in the mid rounds its fine but i dont like it in the top 10.

all i know is that i am in LOVE with Andrew Luck. Since hes a redshirt freshman he technically can declare next year after his sophmore campaign. i think this kid is going to be special and possibly the best nfl qb prospect in the last 10 years.

2 Live Crew
11-13-2009, 12:08 PM
I'm not familiar with this Andrew Luck guy...have you ever even seen him play to be so in love with him?

Not doubting you...just curious

DiG
11-13-2009, 12:12 PM
I'm not familiar with this Andrew Luck guy...have you ever even seen him play to be so in love with him?

Not doubting you...just curious

did you watch the stanford oregon game last week? he was amazing. i also saw the game earlier this year vs wake forest. im really pumped to see him at USC this weekend. i think he may be not only the best freshman qb in the country but the best college qb in the country.

2 Live Crew
11-13-2009, 12:54 PM
Ah ok...I'll have to check out some Stanford games then. I haven't seen him play.

DiG
11-14-2009, 08:00 PM
Andrew luck owned usc tonight. 3 tds with no turnovers. He is a sex machine.

2 Live Crew
11-15-2009, 01:53 AM
Haha yea I caught that game. You were right, Luck is the real deal. My first time seeing him but he pretty much embarrased Barkley.

DiG
11-16-2009, 09:32 AM
well this weekend was a confusing win for the skins. although some areas of concern looked a bit better i dont think it changes the overall needs of this team much. it was nice to see rhino play well and if he can keep progressing than that would be a huge help to the line. heyer continues to suck but levi did play decent in his first start. if levi finishes the season with decent play, i wonder if he could play rt ahead of heyer next year?

heres my current "big board" for the first couple rounds.

ROUND 1

1. Russell Okung, OT, Okl State - tremendous size and athleticism with a ton of experience. excels in pass protection but a good run blocker too.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/newsok-photos/527106/w280.jpg

2. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers - has shut down some great pass rushers this year. maybe not as safe as okung but could have a higher ceiling.
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/169324/anthony_davis.jpg

3. Eric Berry, DB, Tenn - playmaker. beast. nuff said.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_c3v0yIrAxb8/SRFHSQxPeFI/AAAAAAAAAzg/GnnFGnoMHTY/s400/Eric+Berry+clouds.jpg

4. Joe Haden, CB, Florida - Hadens had a very strong junior campaign and has risen quickly up draft boards. Performs well in coverage, good tackler, and should run in the low 4.4s.
http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/1087/slideshow_108701/display_image.jpg

5. Jake Locker, QB, Washington - love this leadership and work ethic. strong enough arm to make nfl throws and makes plays with his legs. needs to work on consistency.
http://www.uhnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/jake-locker-irish-stewed.jpg

6. Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama - a field general always around the ball. hits hard and has a great understanding of the game.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/1001/ncf_u_mcclain_412.jpg

Honorable Mention: CJ Spiller, Trent Williams

ROUND 2

1. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland - I think that the number of good OTs this year along with his inconsistency, injury, and lack of experience could drop Bruce in the draft. Hes a guy with HUGE upside but needs good coaching.

2. Jason Fox, OT, Miami - Another player thats been rising up draft boards with a strong campaign this year. Has a lot of experience starting and could probably start right away at the pro level.

3. Noel Devine, RB, WVU - An absolute playmaker with unbelievable vision and speed. He cuts on a dime and is extremely strong for his size.

4. Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia - Physical cornerback that has come on in the late part of this year. Has very good size and excels in run support. Isn't extremely fast but has adequate speed and good ball skills.

5. Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina - Big fan of Norwood. He's an animal on the field and is constantly around the ball. Could be a good rotational player at strongside with Orakpo when Orakpo plays with his hands on the ground.

D-Unit
11-16-2009, 12:31 PM
Hey Maryland fans,
Tell me more about Bruce Campbell. His stock is all over the place. From a Top 10 Lock to 2nd round. He's personally my favorite OT at the moment, but I know I haven't seen him as much as you guys.

DiG
11-16-2009, 01:00 PM
Hey Maryland fans,
Tell me more about Bruce Campbell. His stock is all over the place. From a Top 10 Lock to 2nd round. He's personally my favorite OT at the moment, but I know I haven't seen him as much as you guys.

He has the potential to be a long term franchise player but he is still very raw. At this point I would say he is a better pass blocker than run blocker which has a lot to do with his insane athleticism. His biggest weaknesses are his technique due mostly to his lack of experience at the position. He's young and hes had a couple minor nagging injuries that have kept him out of the lineup some this year.

I actually think he may have played better last year as a sophomore in the second half of the year when he was healthy and started the last 6 games of the year. He has a great work ethic and should be easily coach-able at the next level. Overall this year his play has been inconsistent. Some days hes the best player on the field but he cant always get by purely on strength and athleticism.

As a pro, I think he still needs 2 or so years to develop. He may struggle early on in his career if he is drafted into a situation where he has to start right away but I dont doubt that he will excel down the road with good coaching. He's a pure LT imo. I wouldnt bother putting him on the right side. I dont think he is at a point in his development where he is worth a top 15-20 pick. From what I've seen, he's an early second rounder.

critesy
11-16-2009, 01:23 PM
i wouldnt grabbing dexter mccluster in a later round instead of noel devine. essentially the same person. but in a later round. like 4th.

DiG
11-16-2009, 01:33 PM
i wouldnt grabbing dexter mccluster in a later round instead of noel devine. essentially the same person. but in a later round. like 4th.

i dont know how you can say they are essentially the same person. they both may be playmakers but definitely not the same person or mold. mcclusters 165 lbs and has 1500 receiving yards and 1500 rushing yards in his 4 year career. i dont think theres much of a chance he is used as a rb in the nfl.

devine is listed at 175 but i am willing to bet he weighs in at the combine between 180-185. he has just over 3500 total yards in 3 seasons, primarily rushing the football. theres no way that mccluster has devines strength. where mccluster will probably play wr in the nfl, devine will most definitely be a running back in the 10-12 carries per game mold.

thats not to say i would be opposed to drafting mccluster in the later rounds. i just dont think they are that close as prospects.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-16-2009, 02:21 PM
They are way different. Divine is like a bowling ball. He runs with such great balance and so low to the ground. He has excellent core balance. McCluster while true a big playmaker with great speed he plays and runs like a WR. I'd compare him more to a Lorenzo Booker than anything.

DiG
11-16-2009, 02:36 PM
They are way different. Divine is like a bowling ball. He runs with such great balance and so low to the ground. He has excellent core balance. McCluster while true a big playmaker with great speed he plays and runs like a WR. I'd compare him more to a Lorenzo Booker than anything.

right on. you like Ras-I Dowling in my rd 2 big board? i know your a fan of his.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-16-2009, 02:42 PM
right on. you like Ras-I Dowling in my rd 2 big board? i know your a fan of his.

I'm doubting he leaves early tbh. He's definitely returned to top tier status the second half of this season but I can't see him going early. There are too many reasons to stay. UVA sucked this year and I doubt he wants to go out like this considering the young talent on the team. Also graduating from UVA is also something that would keep you there for another year even though you could also go back. Also on a pure draft standpoint I think he'd probably be a 3rd rounder at best. He doesn't get any pub playing for a bad team and he won't run a blazing 40 time. I think with a strong senior season in which scouts can see how rare his size/coverage ability ratio is, he will be a top 25 pick. As of now if he did enter he'd probably be a big 4th round steal for someone.

treyskins
11-16-2009, 03:38 PM
In the second round i would love the skins to take a long hard look at
Guards mike Iupati(idaho-could move up into the bottom first) and mike Johnson(alabama)

Centers/Guards kris O'Dowd(usc) and stefen Wisniewski(penn st.) both juniors but could declare.

If not then there has to be first round talent that drops to us due to combine stars and workout warriors and a L.B.,Corner,Safety,Def,Tackle,Off. Tackle,RunningBack could sure help the skins.
Of course, if the skins start winning then the picture starts to change.

2 Live Crew
11-16-2009, 03:45 PM
I don't know if you guys saw this stat that was shown during the game yesterday:

Since 2001, the Redskins are the only team in the NFL that has not drafted an offensive lineman in either the first or second round of the draft.

Just...wow...

critesy
11-18-2009, 11:24 PM
about the devine and mccluster thingy.. being an auburn fan i have seen ole miss the past 3 years and auburn had a home and home with wvu the past two years so i have seen both of them alot.
- the thing im saying is if we were to draft a rb/slot/return person i cant see the difference in them. i believe mccluster could take the beating just as well as noel. they're not the same build but mccluster actually has amazing balance and breaks basically every arm tackle almost as well as noel. noel is by far faster for like downfield speed but mccluster has quicker cuts and change of direction speed. im just saying we could use him 5-7 times at rb and put him in the slot for screens or slants and then obviously return.
- noel is obviously the better prospect cause he spends all his time at rb and has better size (lol) and faster and what not. but mccluster is not that far off in all those categories and you can probably get im 1-3 rounds later.

BleedBurgundy96
11-23-2009, 01:01 PM
I don't know if you guys saw this stat that was shown during the game yesterday:

Since 2001, the Redskins are the only team in the NFL that has not drafted an offensive lineman in either the first or second round of the draft.

Just...wow...

This stat needs to change this upcoming April.

QB and OL in either order in the 1st 2 rounds.

D-Unit
11-30-2009, 06:25 PM
You guys should draft Mike Iupati. Colt could make use of his Samoan line signals that he used at Hawaii. He used to call plays in Samoan. LMAO. :D

DiG
12-01-2009, 04:11 PM
The 5 Spot

If the draft were today it looks like we have moved up into the 5 spot. I hate the idea of reaching on a player that early in the draft and feel like you really need to come away with an impact player when your drafting that high. I still have okung at the top of my list but after that my board is a little more shaken up based on drafting that high. I expect 1 of these 3 to be on the board at the 5 spot.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/images/10/21/russell-okung.jpg
1. Russell Okung, OT, Okl State

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/images/10/21/eric-berry.jpg
2. Eric Berry, DB, Tennesee

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/images/10/21/gerald-mccoy.jpg
3. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma

If these guys are gone, which I doubt, than the second option should be a trade down into the 9-15 range. Heres my big board in that range.

1. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
2. Joe Haden, CB, Florida
3. Rolando Mcclain, LB, Alabama
4. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
5. Brian Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Sean Witherspoon, OLB, Mizzo

D-Unit
12-01-2009, 05:30 PM
I know you don't want a QB, but don't you think the Redskins will draft one anyways?

DiG
12-01-2009, 05:44 PM
I know you don't want a QB, but don't you think the Redskins will draft one anyways?

not necessarily. depends on what qb is on the board. depends on the cba. depends on if campbell is around (rfa under a no cap season). depends on who the coach/gm is. depends on free agency. depends on trades and players cut from other teams. depends on a whole lot.

it makes me sick to think about paying clausen, locker, or bradford $25+ million guaranteed and putting them behind our oline. not one of them imo has shown they are worth a top 5 pick and that kind of money. ill take colt at $400k and culpepper, bulger, pennington, etc every single time before i pay one of those three that kind of money. hell id even go after troy smith as a rfa before drafting one of those three in the top 5.

D-Unit
12-01-2009, 05:59 PM
not necessarily. depends on what qb is on the board. depends on the cba. depends on if campbell is around (rfa under a no cap season). depends on who the coach/gm is. depends on free agency. depends on trades and players cut from other teams. depends on a whole lot.

it makes me sick to think about paying clausen, locker, or bradford $25+ million guaranteed and putting them behind our oline. not one of them imo has shown they are worth a top 5 pick and that kind of money. ill take colt at $400k and culpepper, bulger, pennington, etc every single time before i pay one of those three that kind of money. hell id even go after troy smith as a rfa before drafting one of those three in the top 5.
I agree. But I think Locker will wow the workouts and be the kind of hot commodity that would get Snyder's pants happy. We'll see though. I hope you are right for sure.

BTW, I just got a game worn silver 2007 Hawaii helmet with an Oakley visor and chin strap autographed by the 2007 Sugar bowl team. I bought it off Craig's list. The seller is the brother of Lono Manners (a safety/lb that was on that team). Dunno who's helmet it was... but only Colt wore a visor.... I can tell from the scratches and size that it wasn't a defensive player's helmet and the facemask is a QB's helmet grill... :eek: yeah, you know what I'm thinkin' bout that... I GOT COLT'S 2007 SILVER HELMET!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

SeanTaylorRIP
12-01-2009, 06:43 PM
Not a need at all but damn imagine McCoy or Suh along with Albert.

D-Unit
12-02-2009, 02:16 AM
Not a need at all but damn imagine McCoy or Suh along with Albert.
I could see that. Just like you guys took Landry when you had Taylor.

DiG
12-02-2009, 07:42 AM
yeah, you know what I'm thinkin' bout that... I GOT COLT'S 2007 SILVER HELMET!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

post pics :)

Not a need at all but damn imagine McCoy or Suh along with Albert.

why isnt DT a need? haynesworth, as i expected would be the case, is an absolute beast when hes in the game but, not to my surprise, hes only good for 12-13 games a season with minor injuries. i do anticipate similar going forward. anthony montgomery is set to hit free agency as is gholston and griffin will be 34 next year. id be perfectly fine drafting suh or mccoy if they were on the board and okung or berry were not.

DiG
12-02-2009, 09:37 AM
I know some people will disagree with me but I really really want Reggie Bush in 2010 for the Redskins.

"Jason Cole, of Yahoo! Sports, reports New Orleans Saints RB Reggie Bush is unlikely to return to the team in 2010 as Bush is due to count for roughly $8 million against the salary cap next season. Bush's cap number and secondary importance to the team could create conflict in a locker room where several players, such as WR Marques Colston, are expected to receive new contracts soon."

I think he would be a great compliment to Portis and obviously he is still plenty young. There are only a couple dynamic speed backs in the draft and I would prefer to spend the picks on o-line and other needs. I wouldnt break the bank on a huge deal for him but at the right price I think hed be a really good addition. What do you guys think?

2 Live Crew
12-02-2009, 10:15 AM
I would take Bush on a cheap deal. Won't have to use a pick on a RB in the draft and you can make him the full time return man, something else that we need.

DiG
12-02-2009, 10:44 AM
I would take Bush on a cheap deal. Won't have to use a pick on a RB in the draft and you can make him the full time return man, something else that we need.

didnt even think about the return game value that bush would bring but your right. he is a beast in the return game and would be 10 times better than having randel el back there.

critesy
12-02-2009, 12:51 PM
i would definitely take bush in a heart beat. dont mind that at all.

D-Unit
12-02-2009, 01:31 PM
But if there's no cap, I don't think it's out of the question that he stays. Saints are going to want nice compensation, no doubt. He won't be cheap.

DiG
12-02-2009, 02:01 PM
But if there's no cap, I don't think it's out of the question that he stays. Saints are going to want nice compensation, no doubt. He won't be cheap.

i think theres a better chance of him getting cut if theres no cap because there will be no cap penalty. i dont think that we will be without cap forever. i am not saying to pay him vet min but i dont think hes going to get 25-30 mil guaranteed either.

treyskins
12-02-2009, 03:01 PM
Some good ideas on the 2010 draft Dirty Thirty.

Would be happy with Okung or McCoy,but Berry-havent we taken too many Safeties with top 10 picks(i dont know which team will invest their money in a safety,he could be top 5 talent that falls out of the first ten taken).
Huff,Whitner and Landry...............maybe its time to look at the Lines.

If the skins end up with picking around 5-7,then my early guesses are that Cleveland and ST. Louis take Q.B's Clausen and Locker,
Tampa probably take Suh or Okung,
Detroit likely Okung or Suh
Kansas McCoy or wideout Bryant

So if Okung and McCoy are gone and the skins can find no-one to trade down with,who will they take?

Was thinking about drew Brees,didnt he get a bad shoulder injury when with san diego and the saints took a chance on him?
If we do get a coach like Shanahan who likes a kind of west coast offense,would he look at sam Bradford at that spot?

Get him in behind a vet for a year or two while the o-line is re-built.
If Bradford hadnt have been injured would he have been the best rated quarterback for 2010?
Would Bradford be a good fit for a W.C.O.
Could his injury and surgery be a blessing in disguise for the skins?

The guy is also part native american,might be able to lift this curse that seems to linger with the Redskins since Gibbs mark 1 left town.

Of course if vinny is still here then we will go full bore and trade up for notre dame's jimmy Clausen.

D-Unit
12-02-2009, 03:12 PM
Some good ideas on the 2010 draft Dirty Thirty.

Would be happy with Okung or McCoy,but Berry-havent we taken too many Safeties with top 10 picks(i dont know which team will invest their money in a safety,he could be top 5 talent that falls out of the first ten taken).
Huff,Whitner and Landry...............maybe its time to look at the Lines.

If the skins end up with picking around 5-7,then my early guesses are that Cleveland and ST. Louis take Q.B's Clausen and Locker,
Tampa probably take Suh or Okung,
Detroit likely Okung or Suh
Kansas McCoy or wideout Bryant

So if Okung and McCoy are gone and the skins can find no-one to trade down with,who will they take?

Was thinking about drew Brees,didnt he get a bad shoulder injury when with san diego and the saints took a chance on him?
If we do get a coach like Shanahan who likes a kind of west coast offense,would he look at sam Bradford at that spot?

Get him in behind a vet for a year or two while the o-line is re-built.
If Bradford hadnt have been injured would he have been the best rated quarterback for 2010?
Would Bradford be a good fit for a W.C.O.
Could his injury and surgery be a blessing in disguise for the skins?

The guy is also part native american,might be able to lift this curse that seems to linger with the Redskins since Gibbs mark 1 left town.

Of course if vinny is still here then we will go full bore and trade up for notre dame's jimmy Clausen.
That is hilarious! :D You sound so serious.

But you are right... You could go QB first and then draft OL later. So long as you're convinced that you're getting the right QB.

DiG
12-02-2009, 03:15 PM
for me bradfords issues are more than just his injuries. although his injuries are a major concern. i do not believe in paying a qb top 5 money in the draft that has so many question marks. quarterbacks that come from a spread offense have a much lower success rate in the nfl than those that take snaps under center and its proven that it takes them 2-3 more years than most qbs to transition. bradfords arm strength is only average, he floats balls, his mechanics are not great, and i dont think he has a huge upside. if the skins traded back into the early 20s and he was on the board than id consider taking the chance but NOT in the top 5 or even 10.

also, dont consider berry just as a safety prospect. he is a top 10 cb prospect as well. im still not opposed to joe haden either if we win a game or two and slide back closer to the 10 spot.

okung, suh, mccoy, berry. one of them should be available with the 5th pick.

if the skins drafted any qb in the first round this year the only guy id be optimistic about is ryan mallett.

D-Unit
12-02-2009, 03:19 PM
I don't think Haden is THAT special. First rounder, ok. Top 10? uh ah.

I also agree that this year's QB class is sneaky... might end up with a stud or dud. Putting that kind of money is a big risk. Go safe and take Rolando McClain. Fletcher is old.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-02-2009, 03:21 PM
I don't like Mallett. Yes he has a monster arm, but all he has is that cannon. He has no touch whatsover on his throw. All his throws are one speed and on the NFL level that will lead to so many picks and accuracy issues.

DiG
12-02-2009, 03:23 PM
I don't think Haden is THAT special. First rounder, ok. Top 10? uh ah.

I also agree that this year's QB class is sneaky... might end up with a stud or dud. Putting that kind of money is a big risk. Go safe and take Rolando McClain. Fletcher is old.

i do love mcclain. fletcher may be old but he is still BEASTING it. with the way hes playing right now hes making it easy for the skins to address other needs in the draft. i can see taking a mid round mlb to take a chance on as a future replacement like they did with HB Blades, who plays decent at times, but until fletchers play drops off some i cant see spending a first rounder on a replacement with the other needs we have.

i actually like haden a lot. hes fast, phyisical, can cover and tackle and has pretty decent hands. i dont think hes top 5 but id say hes definitely in that 8-14 range.

I don't like Mallett. Yes he has a monster arm, but all he has is that cannon. He has no touch whatsover on his throw. All his throws are one speed and on the NFL level that will lead to so many picks and accuracy issues.

im not saying im in love with or enamored by mallett. i dolike him more than clausen, locker, or bradford but i agree with your points. he isnt perfect either.

D-Unit
12-02-2009, 03:43 PM
i do love mcclain. fletcher may be old but he is still BEASTING it. with the way hes playing right now hes making it easy for the skins to address other needs in the draft. i can see taking a mid round mlb to take a chance on as a future replacement like they did with HB Blades, who plays decent at times, but until fletchers play drops off some i cant see spending a first rounder on a replacement with the other needs we have.

i actually like haden a lot. hes fast, phyisical, can cover and tackle and has pretty decent hands. i dont think hes top 5 but id say hes definitely in that 8-14 range.



im not saying im in love with or enamored by mallett. i dolike him more than clausen, locker, or bradford but i agree with your points. he isnt perfect either.
I dunno about Haden being physical. Maybe. He gives up a lot of big plays for a guy being so highly touted. I don't care though... as long as you guys don't get Perrish Cox, I'll be happy.

DiG
12-02-2009, 03:51 PM
I dunno about Haden being physical. Maybe. He gives up a lot of big plays for a guy being so highly touted. I don't care though... as long as you guys don't get Perrish Cox, I'll be happy.

STRIP loves Perrish Cox and has me convinced that hes a stud. I dont know a lot about the guy but hes definitely sounds like someone I hope we look at in the early 2nd if we get oline in the first. as long as we get oline in one of the first two rounds at a minimum.

2 Live Crew
12-02-2009, 03:53 PM
Don't like any of the QB's that much in this year's draft. Certainly not enough to draft any of them top 10. I'd rather have Colt Brennan.

Although, if/when a new coach comes in, who knows whats going to happen then.

703SKINS202
12-02-2009, 06:31 PM
The only Qb that intrigues me is Clausen. Trading back to get a guy like McClain or Davis makes more sense to me right now though.

D-Unit
12-02-2009, 07:06 PM
You may have to stay where you are or even move up to get Davis. I think he'll be the first tackle taken.

treyskins
12-06-2009, 04:59 PM
Interesting, Davis before Okung.

Anybody any thoughts on junior Tackle bryan Bulaga?

Might be a better fit if we get a coach like shanny and his zone blocking.

DiG
12-07-2009, 08:55 AM
So after this weekends games I think things have shaken up again on by big board. After bowl games I will update again. In the meantime here are some thoughts. I will add my big board soon.

Oline
Dockery has been the only one on the line who has been consistently impressive to me all year. he has 2 penalties on the year and has only given up 2 sacks and 4 pressures. Thats pretty damn good.

Heyer and Rabach are the only other guys that have played most of the games and where Dockery has been impressive, Heyer and Rabach have been consistently awful. Rabach has 6 penalties on the year and 11 pressures. He's aging and on the downside of his career. Heyers got 10 penalties, 6 sacks, and 25 qb pressures...Thats downright disturbing.

Rhinehart looked good in his limited time before his injury. Levin Jones has been mostly impressive in his short stint starting so far. He didnt fair well against Trent Cole but he did quite well this weekend against Will Smith and 2 weeks ago against the Cowboys. No one else on the line imo is even worth mentioning.

With that said, I am confident at LG and hopeful that Jones can continue to improve and hopefully turn into a decent starting RT for us next year. Every other position on the line needs and upgrade. In order of preference, I'd go LT, C, RG.

Secondary
Let's start with the positive...we have 3 starting SS's on the roster...Reed has played very well since moving into the starting role. Horton, prior to injury was playing at a high level as well. Playing FS, Landry shows flashes of brilliance followed by flashes of pure stupidity. At this point it is fairly obvious that he is playing out of position.

In all likelihood, we will need to address CB this offseason. I am going under the assumption that either Carlos Rogers walks in FA, or will request a trade as a RFA. DHall, whether skins fans like it or not, will be 1 of 2 starting corners for the next 3-4 years. Tryon appeared to show significant improvement before his injury and Barnes didnt play too bad against NO. There is hope that one will prove worthy of starting opposite of Hall but I see both more as nickle options next year. I've always loved Smoot but his play has definitely regressed and he has serious injury concerns.

Other positions of need

QB - Real tough call. There are 3 primary factors that will dictate how the Skins address qb this offseason. First, is the cap situation. If we go uncapped than Campbell as a RFA could stay for another year or possibly be traded. If a cap agreement is reached than it is likely that Campbell signs elsewhere. The second factor is the coaching/gm situation. Depending on who runs this team next year will greatly dictate how we address the qb position. The final factor imo will be what qbs are cut by other teams this offseason. The FA class is not very strong but there are a couple qbs that might get cut during the offseason due to $$ that could gain interest from the Skins. I personally do NOT want to draft a qb this year in the first two rounds.

RB - I still love CP. I think he gets a bad wrap. However, we absolutely do need another rb to share the load, especially one with big play ability. Portis has shown that he isn't the mid 20s stud anymore that can carry the running game on his shoulders. I dont feel that Rock or Betts give us that dimension. Is that guy Mason? Unlikely.

LB - I'd love next year to see a consistent DE rotation of Carter, Orakpo, and Jarmon, with Orakpo and Carter starting. For this to be possible, we have to resign McIntosh and find someone who can start at strongside. I do think that Orakpo is a special talent and can develop into a stud at strongside but I think he would be best utilized at DE. Also, as much of a beast LFB is, he's pushing the wrong side of 30. Adding depth at LB will be something that needs to be addressed.

703SKINS202
12-07-2009, 11:43 AM
I'm just going to assume Campbell is our QB for next year. Hoping that we have a pick in the top 5 or so I would love to draft Okung. He is the only guy I think worthy of that pick for our team.

Suh or McCoy would be interesting to pair along with Haynesworth but that would be a luxury pick. We would have almost $150 million tied up in DT's.

The next option I am really falling in love with is hopefully trading back a few spots, anywhere in the 9-14 range or so and going after Spiller. This guy is as dynamic a RB in this draft class and he can do it all in the return game as well. Portis is getting older and banged up and they could make a dynamic duo until Portis is let go. It is so apparent that fresh legs are a must in the NFL today and I actually like what Ganther has done in limited time but Spiller is freaking amazing.

I think Spiller has top 10 potential so if we miss on him a guy like McClain is someone I would love to go after as well. I don't know for sure but I think he could come in and play the SLB thus moving Orakpo to his true posistion at DE where he is most effective as we all know. McClain could also move over to MLB after LFB retires.

Last resort if we miss on those guys I think it wouldn't be a popular pick but bringing in a guy like Joe Haden could really shore up this secondary. He has great instincts and is a good tackler as well.

Assuming we get a 2nd round pick in a trade back then we absolutely have to go after an offensive lineman. Someone like Ciron Black, Mike Iupati or Charles Brown would be ideal. Being a WV fan, trust me, we dont want Capers.

Thoughts?

Canadian_draft_fan
12-07-2009, 02:25 PM
I'm just going to assume Campbell is our QB for next year. Hoping that we have a pick in the top 5 or so I would love to draft Okung. He is the only guy I think worthy of that pick for our team.

Suh or McCoy would be interesting to pair along with Haynesworth but that would be a luxury pick. We would have almost $150 million tied up in DT's.

The next option I am really falling in love with is hopefully trading back a few spots, anywhere in the 9-14 range or so and going after Spiller. This guy is as dynamic a RB in this draft class and he can do it all in the return game as well. Portis is getting older and banged up and they could make a dynamic duo until Portis is let go. It is so apparent that fresh legs are a must in the NFL today and I actually like what Ganther has done in limited time but Spiller is freaking amazing.

I think Spiller has top 10 potential so if we miss on him a guy like McClain is someone I would love to go after as well. I don't know for sure but I think he could come in and play the SLB thus moving Orakpo to his true posistion at DE where he is most effective as we all know. McClain could also move over to MLB after LFB retires.

Last resort if we miss on those guys I think it wouldn't be a popular pick but bringing in a guy like Joe Haden could really shore up this secondary. He has great instincts and is a good tackler as well.

Assuming we get a 2nd round pick in a trade back then we absolutely have to go after an offensive lineman. Someone like Ciron Black, Mike Iupati or Charles Brown would be ideal. Being a WV fan, trust me, we dont want Capers.

Thoughts?
Drafting Spiller with this Oline would be a wasted pick IMO. I'm also not a big fan of drafting RBs with high picks - you can get good RBS in the 2nd - 4th rounds (e.g. Ray Rice).
To me the priorities have to be Oline and QB (assuming Campbell is not here in 2010). Moving Orakpo to full time DE is something I've been advocating all season. Personally I would draft AJ Edds in the 4th and have him compete with Chris Wilson for the OLB spot. I like the idea of trading back and getting extra picks, though. I would really look at guys like Jason Fox or Iupati in the 2nd if we do go QB in R1.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-07-2009, 02:46 PM
I have long been a proponent of drafting Spiller. It's one pick. You can't rebuild your O-line with one pick. Other than Okung, Berry, and Suh I don't want to reach on an OT or CB just because it's a need. If you have been granted a top 10 pick it better be a talented player and not just filling a need. Teams like the Ravens and Patriots have shown how drafting talent over need is the way to go. Now if talent goes along with need like Okung or Berry than yeah it's a no brainer but I'm taking talent over a 2nd tier Olineman. And true you can find a solid RB in the mid rounds but you sure as heck won't find a RB with 4.3 world class speed every year. Spiller is such a unique talent. A blend of athleticism and skill. He has a much better build than he's given credit for. He also is almost like a receiver out of the backfield. Also I don't buy a RB being a wasted pick because of our poor O-line. Even with the porous O-line in place we aren't awful run blockers. In fact every one of our O-lineman's strength is run blocking. I mean two guys who wouldn't make most NFL rosters in Rock and Ganther have been solid showing you can do it if you just hit the hole hard. Spiller hits the hole and doesn't bounce everything like Reggie Bush. I think having a threat like that who can change a game from a numerous amount of positions and scenarios can spark an offense like ours. Drafting a QB behind this O-line is a far greater worry than a HB behind this O-line. Having a RB who is an equal threat as a receiver makes the defense keep an extra spy and not always bail on the blitz as they have to worry about a screen pass or wheel route.

DiG
12-07-2009, 02:56 PM
i hear you strip. i dont want to reach either. at this point its too early to really know what is and isnt a reach. but when it comes to draft day i do want someone in the top 5 or 10 that is going to be an impact player rather than reaching for a need. that said, if there is an impact player at a need position than thats my first choice. ie. okung.

703SKINS202
12-07-2009, 03:09 PM
I have long been a proponent of drafting Spiller. It's one pick. You can't rebuild your O-line with one pick. Other than Okung, Berry, and Suh I don't want to reach on an OT or CB just because it's a need. If you have been granted a top 10 pick it better be a talented player and not just filling a need. Teams like the Ravens and Patriots have shown how drafting talent over need is the way to go. Now if talent goes along with need like Okung or Berry than yeah it's a no brainer but I'm taking talent over a 2nd tier Olineman. And true you can find a solid RB in the mid rounds but you sure as heck won't find a RB with 4.3 world class speed every year. Spiller is such a unique talent. A blend of athleticism and skill. He has a much better build than he's given credit for. He also is almost like a receiver out of the backfield. Also I don't buy a RB being a wasted pick because of our poor O-line. Even with the porous O-line in place we aren't awful run blockers. In fact every one of our O-lineman's strength is run blocking. I mean two guys who wouldn't make most NFL rosters in Rock and Ganther have been solid showing you can do it if you just hit the hole hard. Spiller hits the hole and doesn't bounce everything like Reggie Bush. I think having a threat like that who can change a game from a numerous amount of positions and scenarios can spark an offense like ours. Drafting a QB behind this O-line is a far greater worry than a HB behind this O-line. Having a RB who is an equal threat as a receiver makes the defense keep an extra spy and not always bail on the blitz as they have to worry about a screen pass or wheel route.
Exactly, you don't pass on rare talent just because you're worried that you have a bigger need. Vikings were smart enough to take AP when they had a more than serviceable Chester Taylor. Jackpot. Spiller is going to be the real deal and him and Thomas as returners could really spark a ST that has lacked a real weapon for years now.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-07-2009, 03:35 PM
Spiller might not be a workhorse 25 carries a game but he will get 25+ touches a game. 10-15 carries, 5-10 plays line out and of course as a returner.

DiG
12-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Spiller might not be a workhorse 25 carries a game but he will get 25+ touches a game. 10-15 carries, 5-10 plays line out and of course as a returner.

thats a good point. i havent often thought of it that way. but your right. thats a good bit of contribution when you add it up. i still love devine in rd 2 too. okung + devine would be dreamy.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-07-2009, 05:02 PM
Yeah Okung is obvously #1 but beyond him aside from a couple of players we hope will drop our draft picture could be real cloudy and we might be in the position to just have to go BPA.

Canadian_draft_fan
12-07-2009, 07:37 PM
Exactly, you don't pass on rare talent just because you're worried that you have a bigger need. Vikings were smart enough to take AP when they had a more than serviceable Chester Taylor. Jackpot. Spiller is going to be the real deal and him and Thomas as returners could really spark a ST that has lacked a real weapon for years now.
I won't argue too much but Peterson walked into an ideal situation - the Vikes have one of the best Olines in the NFL. If we had a good Oline I would have no problem with Spiller and we do have to replace Portis soon. My view is that good line play will make your skill position players more effective. I look at the Skins this year and wonder how much better we would be if we had a decent Oline. Maybe we wouldn't be having conversations about replacing Campbell, or our underachieving WRs. Look at how things have gone in the Snyder era - always grabbing the flashy FA/pick while ignoring the Oline (for the most part) and we have only modest success in a couple of seasons. I'm just fed up with it. Your talking to a guy who watched the Gibbs 1.0 era and he won with the best Oline as a consistent component year after year.
You don't necessarily have to reach - trading down to get more picks is a good move this year. We are a 3-9 team with an older roster with major holes @ QB, Oline, DB and LB. Personally I think a lot of the successful teams you mentioned are good because they pay attention to their lines. The Ravens have drafted Olineman with their 1st pick many times.

That being said I could live with Okung & Devine, but the Skins have to draft at least 2 Olineman this year to realistically address the position.

703SKINS202
12-07-2009, 08:15 PM
I won't argue too much but Peterson walked into an ideal situation - the Vikes have one of the best Olines in the NFL. If we had a good Oline I would have no problem with Spiller and we do have to replace Portis soon. My view is that good line play will make your skill position players more effective. I look at the Skins this year and wonder how much better we would be if we had a decent Oline. Maybe we wouldn't be having conversations about replacing Campbell, or our underachieving WRs. Look at how things have gone in the Snyder era - always grabbing the flashy FA/pick while ignoring the Oline (for the most part) and we have only modest success in a couple of seasons. I'm just fed up with it. Your talking to a guy who watched the Gibbs 1.0 era and he won with the best Oline as a consistent component year after year.
You don't necessarily have to reach - trading down to get more picks is a good move this year. We are a 3-9 team with an older roster with major holes @ QB, Oline, DB and LB. Personally I think a lot of the successful teams you mentioned are good because they pay attention to their lines. The Ravens have drafted Olineman with their 1st pick many times.

That being said I could live with Okung & Devine, but the Skins have to draft at least 2 Olineman this year to realistically address the position.
Problem is there really isn't a Olineman worthy of where we are going to pick besides Okung. Reaching for one and missing isn't ideal. Like STRIP said, if theres one thing the line is good at its run blocking. Spiller is a guy who doesn't need much, maybe if we were drafting a guy who is a progression type runner I'd see your point but I don't want to miss out on what could be the next Chris Johnson...This is just one way we could go to I'm not actively driving the Spiller train I just think it is something to take into serious consideration. Devine I would love obviously but his running style can be frustrating at times. If the hole isn't there to break it, he doesn't do much else and he wont be able to carry a large load.

critesy
12-07-2009, 10:02 PM
thoughts on our team by position..... very long.

qb

- i personally hope jason campbell stays but i think he is gone regardless. i dunno if he wants to staty in DC the way we have treated him. like everyone else, i dont really like anyone in draft and FA is just garbage so campbell and colt brennan are our best options. only qb i like is jake locker (remind me of mcnabb), but i like him for next years draft haha. so yeah. not happenig.

rb

- love me some clinton portis, so he is good when he is healthy, and as evident he was averaging 4.0/carry before being hurt. now we have ladell (cut him but we will probably keep him) and rock (keep cause of ST and he is proving value this year). but i agree we need to bring in someone electric. ganther is probably gone if we draft someone. also anyone else miss the way portis blocks, i do.

-heres how i see it draft wise, spiller in the first and can actually be a rb. like what ghetto said with his touches. but later on be an actual full rb. devine in the 2nd who can do the same as spiller in his first year but really thats what youre getting for his career. which isnt bad at all by means. mccluster in the 4th (maybe in the 3rd but we dont have one) can do the same as devine but not as much at rb, but still some at rb. all 3 of those are what we need.

fb

-love mike sellers. amazing blocker and good receiver but really old and seems to fumble alot. drafted some guy from idaho eddie williams or something. who knows the future here. maybe yoder! since i love him but he is old too. or cooley in the h-back again since fred davis is going beast mode on us. maybe put lorenzo alexander full time haaha.

wr

-love our recievers. still think santana is a good player and one of the best double move runners in the league. randle el is getting older and slower and stupider but seems to be clutch on 3rd downs, not sure if i would keep him, maybe if he accepts a pay cut. be like a thrash type of player, cause obviously thomas and kelly (yes even kelly, he is slowly coming around too) and marko should pass him on the chart of depth.

te

- cooley is abviously a pro bowl tight end, great reciever and good blocker. fred davis is an unreal reciever who breaks a billion tackles, havent reallly payed attention to his blocking, or if he even ever blocks but yeah, he is a beauty. todd yoder is one of my favorites, i hope he doesnt cut. i think were good here for sure.

ot

- wow okay... levi jones is playing solid at lt so hopefully he continues that. chris samuels is all but retired. heyer is just garbage, gone. mike williams is versatile so i think we keep him, and he's been decent. batiste, gone. so lets hope okung falls to us. samuels can play in his 4 games and then okung can start the next 12 or whatever. as someone said, we dont want capers, he is garbage (auburn fan, wow. brutal game by him) other tackles are all potential wait and see people for now so yeah. but davis, williams, fox, and brown intrigue me as lt/rt and sam young at rt.

og

- ahhh, love dockery, hes good in DC. randy thomas as chris samuels, is good for 4 games. basically retiring as well. so we have will montgomery who is miserable, hope he gets cut. chad rinehart still has growing and potential left in him i think, and he looked starting ability in the time he was in.

c

-rabach... old. penalties. slow. wow. we need a new one bad. bring fricken jansen back to play center(i think i remember them saying he was practicing there one time a couple years ago) lol. i dunno what we do here, i dont know of any draft eligble or FAs so yeah hmmm. ****.

de

- love it here as well. andre is hitting his like.. prime with albert here now. i dont see him decreasing for 2-3 years ish. jarmon is going to be a beast, i can see it. relentless motor at what.. 275? with good quickness. i like it. and orakpo obviously. nuff said. rob jackson... yeah cool. keep him whatever. chris wilson adds a nice pass rush every once in awhile, i like him, CFL pride haha. also could help at LB.


dt

- albert, everyone already knows him and the situation so yeah. monty is just a big plug/space eater. golston is a nice UT, good quickness and motor for a big body, wouldnt mind keeping him around for cheap price. griffin is still a very solid started and veteran who i would like to keep around. i want to see more lorenzo alexander, this guy is what we need more of. plays everything and doesnt stop.

lb

- okay.. london is still very sick. anyone see him stick with devery henderson on a streak... yeah. he is a freak still. hb blades is actually playing solid in the time he is in. could be a serviceable starter, but would not count on him. rocky needs to be resigned, very good player for several years coming. hopefully our coaching staff can develop robert henson into something, he seems athletic. frick, develop landry in to a hybrid LB if it comes down it. move orakpo to de, landry to some kind of ss/lb and draft eric berry! ah i dunno, this is getting long and im just saying random ideas. like someone said aj edds or even dakota watson are intriguing later round people. of course everyone has to love rolando mcclain cause he is just sick.

cb

- i love carlos, im just coming out to say it cause im an auburn fan hahah. he was top 10 in 2008 but got benched late in the year and his attitude has the best of him now and seems to not care. and he has the worst hands ever, but it seems like everyone on our team does so who cares. hall like someone said is basically forced to start so we live with it.......


need a brain break ill be back.

SeanTaylorRIP
12-08-2009, 03:18 PM
Edwin Williams might be our future center. He is playing ok right now out of position at OG, but I like his versatility. Still though he's probably in the same boat as Heyer. Capable of stepping in at a couple of positions, but nothing more than average-below average at whatever spot.

DiG
12-09-2009, 10:32 AM
Offseason Mock (Uncapped)

Free Agency

- Resign McIntosh (OLB), Lorenzo Alexander (DT), Reed Doughty (SS), Kedric Gholston (DT), Levi Jones (OT), and Chris Wilson (OLB/DE)

- Trade Carlos Rogers (CB) for a late 3rd round pick, Trade LaRon Landry (S) for a 2nd round pick

- Cut Betts (RB) and Randle El (WR)

- Todd Collins (QB) retire

- Sign Ryan Clark (FS), Chris Redman (QB)

Draft

Round 1 - Russell Okung, OT, Okl State

Round 2 - Noel Devine, RB, WVU

Round 2 - Perrish Cox, CB, Okl State

Round 3 - Daryl Washington, LB, TCU

Round 4 - Kevin Alfred, C/G, Washington State

Round 5 - Kevin Haslem, T/G, Rutgers

Canadian_draft_fan
12-09-2009, 12:42 PM
Offseason Mock (Uncapped)

Free Agency

- Resign McIntosh (OLB), Lorenzo Alexander (DT), Reed Doughty (SS), Kedric Gholston (DT), Levi Jones (OT), and Chris Wilson (OLB/DE)

- Trade Carlos Rogers (CB) for a late 3rd round pick, Trade LaRon Landry (S) for a 2nd round pick

- Cut Betts (RB) and Randle El (WR)

- Todd Collins (QB) retire

- Sign Ryan Clark (FS), Chris Redman (QB)

Draft

Round 1 - Russell Okung, OT, Okl State

Round 2 - Noel Devine, RB, WVU

Round 2 - Perrish Cox, CB, Okl State

Round 3 - Daryl Washington, LB, TCU

Round 4 - Kevin Alfred, C/G, Washington State

Round 5 - Kevin Haslem, T/G, Rutgers
I like this D30, good work.

I would make a slight change:
R3 - Kyle Calloway OT Iowa
R4 - AJ Edds OLB Iowa

Washington is a great athlete but a little light for SLB, IMO. Also Levi Jones would be a good re-signing but apparently he just wants to play LT. I would re-sign to a 2 year incentive based contract (based on playing time considering his injury history). Not that it matters much but I we do have our 7th rounder in 2010.

DiG
12-09-2009, 12:46 PM
I like this D30, good work.

I would make a slight change:
R3 - Kyle Calloway OT Iowa
R4 - AJ Edds OLB Iowa

Washington is a great athlete but a little light for SLB, IMO. Also Levi Jones would be a good re-signing but apparently he just wants to play LT. I would re-sign to a 2 year incentive based contract (based on playing time considering his injury history). Not that it matters much but I we do have our 7th rounder in 2010.

yea for 7th round i just figure bpa or whatever. i actually almost went with calloway and edds combo but i wanted a center over a guard and alfred is actually a good combo player that could play both but i think would excel most at center. with washington, again i loved his versatility. can play inside or outside, very good in coverage, good tackle technique, and a really strong frame.

critesy
12-09-2009, 06:19 PM
<3 ryan clark. would love to get him back. everything looks good and realisitic in that mock offseason too.

FloridaSkinzFan
12-09-2009, 09:58 PM
with Portis's future unclear now being put on IR, I love me some Noel Devine in Round 2!

Canadian_draft_fan
12-23-2009, 09:40 AM
Well with the Monday night debacle still lingering is there any doubt that the Skins need to totally re-do their Oline? I just don't see us drafting Spiller with our #1 pick, especially if Shanny is the next HC. If we stick to only 5 picks at least 3 of them have to be Oline. I still advocate trading down and getting extra picks. I would rather struggle with young, hungry players instead of the overpaid garbage that was on the field Monday. Any QB or RB we draft would struggle behind this line. I initially thought of retaining Levi Jones on a 2-3 year incentive based contract and grooming a young LT to take over. However, Jones looked like the rest of the garbage - i don't see keeping him.
Any thoughts, Gents?

DiG
12-23-2009, 10:02 AM
im with you on oline oline oline. there are a couple fa olineman that could be decnt and shanahan is known for being able to get olineman that work in his scheme but i absolutely want a franchise anchor on the line more than anything. at this point okung is the guy im praying for but anthony davis i am hoping proves in workouts that he could be that guy as well. ideally, id love to trade down as well but only if we think we can slide down a few spots and still get davis.

another guy that no one talks about is gabe carimi. i actually like carimi more than bruce campbell because i think he is closer to being able to be an immediate impact starter. hes started for wisc now 3 straight years and ive heard he could declare. he looks like a great prospect to me and probably would be the first OT taken if he stayed his senior year.

hopefully if we are able to snag an OT in the first than i wouldnt mind going rb in the second like dwyer or devine then oline again in the 4th with a guard or center.

if we do go OT in the second i hope its for a guy like nate solder if he declares. hes a guy that i think could be the best OT in this draft in the right situation with the right coaching.

2 Live Crew
12-23-2009, 10:16 AM
We desperately need Okung I feel like...right now we are at number 6 for the draft. Seems just a tad too high to get Okung...Scott has him going 5.

We need to lose out and hopefully move up a spot or two for him haha...

critesy
12-28-2009, 05:55 PM
okung and jason fox/trent williams/vladimir ducasse(no clue but scott says hes versatile and good)/lee ziemba (read some rumours hes undecided right now), rd 1 and rd 2.

jeremy jarmon in round 3 ;)

aj edds lb in the rd 4

walter thrumond/walter mcfadden/nolan carroll rd 5

rd 6... **** jason taylor

rd 7 joe webb qb/rb/wr/rs i dunno, throwing it out there.

----maybe a center in there somewhere also, i dunno.

superman8456
12-28-2009, 06:06 PM
There are some pretty good players available at oline in FA. Maybe old Dan will make a splash there.

critesy
12-28-2009, 06:09 PM
There are some pretty good players available at oline in FA. Maybe old Dan will make a splash there.
i pray to god/allah/buddha that bruce allen talks some sense into danny and leads him else where hahah.

DiG
12-29-2009, 12:50 PM
i pray to god/allah/buddha that bruce allen talks some sense into danny and leads him else where hahah.

if the skins land shanahan then i do expect 1-2 FA Oline signings for sure and maybe not the guys you would expect. shanahan is notorious for finding olineman that fit his style that arent necessarily the big name guys.

everything that i am hearing tends to side towards 2010 being uncapped. in which case i wouldnt be surprised to see bruce allen make some surprising cuts because i dont foresee many more if any uncapped years beyond 2010.

Here are a few guys that could be in question, their 2010 cap hit, and their likelihood of remaining a Redskins IMO if there are no cap penalties in 2010:

-Randy Thomas, $5.6 million - Out
-Antwaan Randle El, $5 million - Out
-Chris Samuels, $4.85 million - Out
-Todd Collins, $3.5 million - Out

-Clinton Portis, $12.1 million - Doubtful
-Fred Smoot, $5.4 million - Doubtful
-Casey Rabach, $3.5 million - Doubtful
-Ladell Betts, $2.5 million - Doubtful

-Cornelius Griffin, $2 million - Questionable
-Rock Cartwright, $1.6 million - Questionable

-Laron Landry, $5.7 million - Probable

Canadian_draft_fan
12-29-2009, 01:34 PM
if the skins land shanahan then i do expect 1-2 FA Oline signings for sure and maybe not the guys you would expect. shanahan is notorious for finding olineman that fit his style that arent necessarily the big name guys.

everything that i am hearing tends to side towards 2010 being uncapped. in which case i wouldnt be surprised to see bruce allen make some surprising cuts because i dont foresee many more if any uncapped years beyond 2010.

Here are a few guys that could be in question, their 2010 cap hit, and their likelihood of remaining a Redskins IMO if there are no cap penalties in 2010:

-Randy Thomas, $5.6 million - Out
-Antwaan Randle El, $5 million - Out
-Chris Samuels, $4.85 million - Out
-Todd Collins, $3.5 million - Out

-Clinton Portis, $12.1 million - Doubtful
-Fred Smoot, $5.4 million - Doubtful
-Casey Rabach, $3.5 million - Doubtful
-Ladell Betts, $2.5 million - Doubtful

-Cornelius Griffin, $2 million - Questionable
-Rock Cartwright, $1.6 million - Questionable

-Laron Landry, $5.7 million - Probable
I could see every one of these guys going in an uncapped year. Possibly trade Landry for a 2nd /3rd. I agree that we could see one or two Oline FA's but I would still draft at least 2 Olinemen in that scenario.

treyskins
12-29-2009, 01:39 PM
Guys to keep an eye on;

Broncos;Guards ben Hamilton+chris Kuper
Bucs;Tackles jeremy Trueblood+donald Penn

If uncapped all except Hamilton would be restricted free agents but if we could trade using our 4th or 5th rounders and a pick from 2011 then worth looking at.

DiG
12-29-2009, 02:50 PM
From ESPN Insider

If he's retained nothing else from his time at the University of Hawaii, at least Washington Redskins QB Colt Brennan still has a surfer's exuberance. Regarding a disappointing 2009 season where he was placed on IR in September, Brennan told the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star, "I'm so glad that I'm a couple weeks from totally closing that chapter and moving on to something totally awesome." Totally.

But in addition to picking up the valley girl lingo, Brennan also set NCAA records while at Hawaii, so there is some hope that he'll be a suitable NFL starter some day.

Moving forward to 2010, Jason Campbell's future is up in the air, but many have speculated that he'll be elsewhere. Todd Collins -- who was born ten days before Intel released the world's first microprocessor on Nov. 15, 1971 -- is not the answer if this team is looking to the future. The options as we see it would be to retain Brennan (who is under a relatively-cheap contract through 2011), bring in a (younger than Collins) veteran, draft someone new, or some combination of the three.

Some other interesting ones:

The Baltimore Sun had word this past week that Troy Smith wanted a chance to be a legit NFL starter, and by our calculations, that means he's subtly angling for a trade or a release.

The demand for a trade may have already happened, and we learn about such things on Twitter from his agent Ralph Cindrich: "Ravens QB Troy Smith, Ohio State alum, native Heisman winner wants playing time. Ravens notified. Will seek trade after playoffs, SB run."

------------------------

Mike Holmgren -- the Cleveland Browns czar of all things football -- and Matt Hasselbeck have a lot of shared history. If the speculation this week from NFC West blogger Mike Sando becomes more than just speculation, that shared history might continue in 2010.

In discussing the three different options for the Seattle Seahawks related to Hasselbeck moving forward, Sando includes the possibility that the team could trade him; furthermore, Sando thinks that Holmgren and the Browns would be "a natural fit."

If the rumors are true that Holmgren wants to install some version of his West Coast offense in Cleveland, Hasselbeck might be the perfect option. We'll be interested to hear more on this as it develops this offseason.

D-Unit
12-29-2009, 03:45 PM
Man, I just hope you guys patch your OL in FA and the Draft then give Colt a chance.

Canadian_draft_fan
12-29-2009, 05:06 PM
Man, I just hope you guys patch your OL in FA and the Draft then give Colt a chance.
Maybe but don't be surprised if he is cut by the new coach (likely Shanny), after FA/draft. He is Zorn's pet project and any film on him in the last 2 years won't provide a ringing endorsement. That being said he does deserve at least a chance somewhere.

D-Unit
12-29-2009, 07:56 PM
Maybe but don't be surprised if he is cut by the new coach (likely Shanny), after FA/draft. He is Zorn's pet project and any film on him in the last 2 years won't provide a ringing endorsement. That being said he does deserve at least a chance somewhere.
I won't be surprised by anything. I know Colt's chances are slim to none.

DiG
01-02-2010, 04:51 PM
Anyone watch Okung today? I caught bits and pieces of the game but I forgot to pay attention to Okung in the little bit that i saw. i know robinson played like crap but hunter ran the ball well. like i said i did not watch enough to know though how specifically okung played.

Canadian_draft_fan
01-02-2010, 06:00 PM
Anyone watch Okung today? I caught bits and pieces of the game but I forgot to pay attention to Okung in the little bit that i saw. i know robinson played like crap but hunter ran the ball well. like i said i did not watch enough to know though how specifically okung played.
I saw most of the game and really didn't see much from Okung. Didn't play bad in the run game but nothing special overall. Didn't strike me as a player the Skins had to have over the other tackles in this draft.

DiG
01-03-2010, 11:10 AM
I saw most of the game and really didn't see much from Okung. Didn't play bad in the run game but nothing special overall. Didn't strike me as a player the Skins had to have over the other tackles in this draft.

Turns out Okung was playing injured in the bowl game. Could be why he maybe didnt stand out but on the year he has only 1.5 sacks allowed which is incredibly impressive. He ends his career with 46 consecutive starts and anchors a line that gave up only 10 sacks on the entire season.

I love Davis upside but I dont think that theres an offensive lineman in the draft that is as ready to immediately contibute like Okung and we all know that we need a rookie that can start right away.

With that said, I am very much liking what Im seeing in Davis as well.

DiG
01-04-2010, 11:07 AM
Some of my recent position rankings. The "tiers" have nothing to do with rounds in the draft but are associated with where I see a drop-off in talent.

OT

Tier 1
1. Russell Okung
2. Anthony Davis

Tier 2
3. Trent Williams
4. Bruce Campbell
5. Bryan Bulaga

Tier 3
6. Vladimir Ducasse
7. Charles Brown
8. Tony Washington

Tier 4
9. Ciron Black
10. Jason Fox
11. Kyle Calloway
12. Adam Ulatoski
13. Ed Wang

RB

Tier 1
1. CJ Spiller

Tier 2
2. Jahvid Best
3. Montario Hardesty
4. Noel Devine
5. Jon Dwyer

Tier 3
5. Ryan Matthews
6. Joe McKnight
7. Toby Gerhart

Tier 4
8. Ben Tate
9. Charles Scott
10. Dexter McCluster
11. Anthony Dixon
12. LaGarrette Blount

FS

Tier 1
1. Eric Berry

Tier 2
2. Earl Thomas
3. Chad Jones

Tier 3
4. Nate Allen
5. Larry Asante
6. Kim Chancellor

Tier 4
7. Kendrick Lewis
8. Barry Church

C

Tier 1
1. Kris Odowd
1a. Maurkice Pouncey

Tier 2
2. JD Walton
3. Matt Tennant

Tier 3
4. Ted Larson
5. Eric Olsen
6. Jon Estes
7. Joe Hawley
8. Chris Hall

OG

Tier 1
1. Mike Iupati

Tier 2
2. Jon Asamoah
3. Mike Johnson
4. Zane Beadles
5. Mike Pouncey

Tier 3
6. Sergio Render
7. John Jerry
8. Mitch Petrus

Tier 4
9. Shaun Lauvao
10. Chris Marinelli

QB

Tier 1
None

Tier 2
1. Jimmy Clausen

Tier 3
2. Sam Bradford
3. Ryan Mallett
4. Colt McCoy
5. Tim Tebow

Tier 4
6. Sean Canfield
7. Daryll Clark
8. Tony Pike
9. Dan LeFevour

Tier 5
10. John Skelton
11. Levi Brown
12. Jarrett Brown
13. Tim Hiller
14. Rusty Smith

DiG
01-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Mock Offseason - Uncapped

Retire
QB Todd Collins
OT Chris Samuels

Cut
RB Clinton Portis
WR Antwaan Randle El
OG Randy Thomas
RB Ladell Betts
DT Cornelius Griffin

Tender
QB Jason Campbell (1st round)
CB Carlos Rogers (2nd round)
DT Anthony Montgomery (6th round drafted)

Resign
OLB Rocky McCintosh
DT Kedric Gholston
OT Levi Jones

Sign
OG Ben Hamilton - Denver
QB Sage Rosenfels - Minnesota (assuming cut)
RB Willie Parker - Pittsburgh
DT Tony Brown - Tennessee (experience playing with big al)
WR Antonio Bryant - Tampa (huge productivity with kyle shanahan)
OLB Keith Bullock - Tennessee (final chance to make a little cash)
OG Chester Pitts - Houston (experience with kyle and cheap depth)

Trade
Laron Landry to Minnesota for 2nd round pick

Draft
RD 1 - Eric Berry, FS, Tenn
RD 2 - Charles Brown, OT, USC
RD 2 - Montario Hardesty, RB, Tenn
RD 4 - Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale
RD 6 - Justin Cole, OLB, San Jose State

Depth Chart
QB - Campbell / Brennan / Rosenfels
RB - Parker / Hardesty / Ganther
FB - Sellers
WR1 - Moss / Bryant / Mitchell
WR2 - Thomas / Kelly
TE - Cooley / Davis / Yoder
LT - Charles Brown / Heyer
LG - Hamilton / Rhineheart
C - Rabach / Edwin Williams
RG - Dockery / Pitts
RT - Jones / Veldheer

DE - Carter / Alexander
DT - Haynesworth / Montgomery
DT - Brown / Gholston
DE - Orakpo / Jarmon / Jackson
OLB - Bullock / Wilson
ILB - Fletcher / Blades
OLB - McCintosh / Cole
CB - Hall / Tryon
CB - Rogers / Smoot / Barnes
FS - Berry / Moore
SS - Horton / Doughty

SeanTaylorRIP
01-08-2010, 02:21 PM
I wish we had around the 7th or 8th pick because damn I have loved Rolando McClain so damn much for so long. Drafting a LB though top 5 is risky. I will say though that even though his draft grade won't be a high, I like McClain more than Aaron Curry. I think McClain is a pro bowl candidate day 1.

Canadian_draft_fan
01-08-2010, 02:30 PM
Mock Offseason - Uncapped

Retire
QB Todd Collins
OT Chris Samuels

Cut
RB Clinton Portis
WR Antwaan Randle El
OG Randy Thomas
RB Ladell Betts
DT Cornelius Griffin

Tender
QB Jason Campbell (1st round)
CB Carlos Rogers (2nd round)
DT Anthony Montgomery (6th round drafted)

Resign
OLB Rocky McCintosh
DT Kedric Gholston
OT Levi Jones

Sign
OG Ben Hamilton - Denver
QB Sage Rosenfels - Minnesota (assuming cut)
RB Willie Parker - Pittsburgh
DT Tony Brown - Tennessee (experience playing with big al)
WR Antonio Bryant - Tampa (huge productivity with kyle shanahan)
OLB Keith Bullock - Tennessee (final chance to make a little cash)
OG Chester Pitts - Houston (experience with kyle and cheap depth)

Trade
Laron Landry to Minnesota for 2nd round pick

Draft
RD 1 - Eric Berry, FS, Tenn
RD 2 - Charles Brown, OT, USC
RD 2 - Montario Hardesty, RB, Tenn
RD 4 - Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale
RD 6 - Justin Cole, OLB, San Jose State

Depth Chart
QB - Campbell / Brennan / Rosenfels
RB - Parker / Hardesty / Ganther
FB - Sellers
WR1 - Moss / Bryant / Mitchell
WR2 - Thomas / Kelly
TE - Cooley / Davis / Yoder
LT - Charles Brown / Heyer
LG - Hamilton / Rhineheart
C - Rabach / Edwin Williams
RG - Dockery / Pitts
RT - Jones / Veldheer

DE - Carter / Alexander
DT - Haynesworth / Montgomery
DT - Brown / Gholston
DE - Orakpo / Daniels / Jackson
OLB - Bullock / Wilson
ILB - Fletcher / Blades
OLB - McCintosh / Cole
CB - Hall / Tryon
CB - Rogers / Smoot / Barnes
FS - Berry / Moore
SS - Horton / Doughty
Good stuff. I'll provide more comments later but you forgot Jarmon @ De (instead of Daniels maybe?)

DiG
01-08-2010, 02:40 PM
Good stuff. I'll provide more comments later but you forgot Jarmon @ De (instead of Daniels maybe?)

good catch. fixed it.

Canadian_draft_fan
01-08-2010, 09:31 PM
Mock Offseason - Uncapped

Retire
QB Todd Collins
OT Chris Samuels
agree

Cut
RB Clinton Portis
WR Antwaan Randle El
OG Randy Thomas
RB Ladell Betts
DT Cornelius Griffin
agree

Tender
QB Jason Campbell (1st round)
CB Carlos Rogers (2nd round)
DT Anthony Montgomery (6th round drafted)
agree

Resign
OLB Rocky McCintosh
DT Kedric Gholston
OT Levi Jones - wasn't impressed and he has stated he only wants to play LT

Sign
OG Ben Hamilton - Denver - is already 33. I would prefer the other Donkeys OG Kuper
QB Sage Rosenfels - Minnesota (assuming cut)
RB Willie Parker - Pittsburgh
DT Tony Brown - Tennessee (experience playing with big al)
WR Antonio Bryant - Tampa (huge productivity with kyle shanahan) - a headcase. I would prefer Kevin Walter from Houston
OLB Keith Bullock - Tennessee (final chance to make a little cash)
OG Chester Pitts - Houston (experience with kyle and cheap depth)

Trade
Laron Landry to Minnesota for 2nd round pick - perfect

Draft
RD 1 - Eric Berry, FS, Tenn
RD 2 - Charles Brown, OT, USC - I prefer Jason Fox, but that's just me
RD 2 - Montario Hardesty, RB, Tenn
RD 4 - Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale
RD 6 - Justin Cole, OLB, San Jose State

Depth Chart
QB - Campbell / Brennan / Rosenfels
RB - Parker / Hardesty / Ganther
FB - Sellers
WR1 - Moss / Bryant / Mitchell
WR2 - Thomas / Kelly
TE - Cooley / Davis / Yoder
LT - Charles Brown / Heyer
LG - Hamilton / Rhineheart
C - Rabach / Edwin Williams
RG - Dockery / Pitts
RT - Jones / Veldheer

DE - Carter / Alexander
DT - Haynesworth / Montgomery
DT - Brown / Gholston
DE - Orakpo / Jarmon / Jackson
OLB - Bullock / Wilson
ILB - Fletcher / Blades
OLB - McCintosh / Cole
CB - Hall / Tryon
CB - Rogers / Smoot / Barnes
FS - Berry / Moore
SS - Horton / Doughty
My comments are in bold. I could easily live with your original plan. Interesting stuff.
Edit: actually I wouldn't mind keeping Chris Wilson around instead of signing Bulluck. I'm not sure how much Bulluck has left and Wilson does have some versatility.

DiG
01-09-2010, 10:21 AM
Kuper is actually set to become a RFA. I am 95% sure that Hamilton to the Skins is going to be signed sealed delivered first day of FA. He knows Shannys offense in and out and is still playing at a high level. He will only give another year or two but enough time to mentor some of the younger guys and let someone develop before taking over.

Im torn on Levi and Heyer as well. Neither really impressed me but there are no decent UFA OTs available in an uncapped season. I hardly think that we will start two rookies at both LT and RT and Levi has more quickness and athleticism than Heyer for the zbs. But yes Id prefer to replace both and I think Veldheer would in a year.

I actually think Charles Brown is a good bit better than Fox. Fox has really sloppy footwork and is below average in run blocking. Brown hits all the marks of a zbs tackle and I wouldnt be surprised if he was high enough up on the Packers board to go in the first round if Bulaga isnt available.

I totally overlooked Kevin Walter being available. Nice call there.

DiG
01-11-2010, 07:39 AM
yo critesy did you see ziemba is most likely going to be entering the draft?? i think hes a great fit for shannys zbs. correct me if im wrong but from what i know the guy is a beast in the run game, good footwork, has really impressive quickness and athleticism for 6'8 310, 37 straight starts, and projects at LT. id say hes a mid 2nd round prospect right now.

DiG
01-11-2010, 09:48 AM
From Bruce Allens recent interview with Skins reporter:

Kelly: What will your draft philosophy be together, do you kind of have, are you on the same page on that, and what is that?

Bruce: Well we're gonna get the best players to help us win, and that is the philosophy.

Kelly: The best player available on the board, or per need?

Bruce: The best player for the Redskins to win, which is usually the best player available.

Canadian_draft_fan
01-11-2010, 09:56 AM
From Bruce Allens recent interview with Skins reporter:

Kelly: What will your draft philosophy be together, do you kind of have, are you on the same page on that, and what is that?

Bruce: Well we're gonna get the best players to help us win, and that is the philosophy.

Kelly: The best player available on the board, or per need?

Bruce: The best player for the Redskins to win, which is usually the best player available.
Sounds like BPA but sufficiently vague enough to leave wiggle room. The Skins would have no business drafting WR or DE this draft if a BPA was at that position. I guess Shanny/Allen aren't going to tip their hand and state that "positions A, B & C are priorities in the 2010 draft".

critesy
01-11-2010, 12:25 PM
yo critesy did you see ziemba is most likely going to be entering the draft?? i think hes a great fit for shannys zbs. correct me if im wrong but from what i know the guy is a beast in the run game, good footwork, has really impressive quickness and athleticism for 6'8 310, 37 straight starts, and projects at LT. id say hes a mid 2nd round prospect right now.

on the auburn rivals board everything is pointing to him coming back now. but yeah everything you said is true. he just lacks a little in the mental game (lots of false starts) and his pass blocking footwork is very inconsistent but other than that he is a beauty. and yeah started as a true freshman, hes very solid and of course i would love him on the skins :D

DiG
01-11-2010, 12:41 PM
on the auburn rivals board everything is pointing to him coming back now. but yeah everything you said is true. he just lacks a little in the mental game (lots of false starts) and his pass blocking footwork is very inconsistent but other than that he is a beauty. and yeah started as a true freshman, hes very solid and of course i would love him on the skins :D

Im liking him a lot and hope he declares. If not, hopefully Nate Solder does.

COACH TUBERVILLE: Lee Ziemba is as natural an athlete; big, strong, smart, fast, probably could play defense. Started every game for us as a true freshman. He'll start every game as long as he's at Auburn because of his tenacity. You know, he has the mentality of a defensive player playing offense.

We've moved him from right offensive tackle to left offensive tackle. He's enjoyed that move. He's a guy you can count on every day of giving all he's got in practice. He loves to practice. And that's very unusual for an offensive lineman because those guys never touch the ball. You know, they get rushed on, beat on by the defense.

But he's the perfect offensive lineman when you go out in terms of looking at a recruit and then knowing, you know, the potential that he has. He's gonna be a great one.

703SKINS202
01-11-2010, 01:52 PM
It's looking like Devine is going to return for his senior season so you can take him off your big board. Pretty surprising but I don't think it is a bad idea. He does have kids and a degree for him would be awesome and I don't think that his draft stock will change barring an injury next year. WVU should be better this year as well so he might have a chance to move up a little. Hardesty like some people have mentioned I am high on cause I watched a lot of Tennessee games this year and I like what he could bring to this team, especially in Shanny's offense.

critesy
01-11-2010, 06:44 PM
not only is this an auburn highlight of the year basically but you get to see alot of lee ziemba

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Poz51
01-12-2010, 12:15 PM
From Bruce Allens recent interview with Skins reporter:
Kelly: What will your draft philosophy be together, do you kind of have, are you on the same page on that, and what is that?
Bruce: Well we're gonna get the best players to help us win, and that is the philosophy.
Kelly: The best player available on the board, or per need?
Bruce: The best player for the Redskins to win, which is usually the best player available.

I heard something (maybe this?) on the radio recently (yesterday?), which is the first direction I have heard/read about from Allen. What do you think of the posibility of them taking Okung in the first and then Trent Williams falling to them in the second? I currently am playing with the thought of them taking both, which solidifies the offensive line at both tackle spots with who I have as the #1 prospects at each spot (LT and RT) respectively.
Also wondering if you think there is a chance they trade for Brandon Marshall, which I think could happen, and also heard discussion about on the radio...

DiG
01-12-2010, 01:21 PM
I heard something (maybe this?) on the radio recently (yesterday?), which is the first direction I have heard/read about from Allen. What do you think of the posibility of them taking Okung in the first and then Trent Williams falling to them in the second? I currently am playing with the thought of them taking both, which solidifies the offensive line at both tackle spots with who I have as the #1 prospects at each spot (LT and RT) respectively.
Also wondering if you think there is a chance they trade for Brandon Marshall, which I think could happen, and also heard discussion about on the radio...

OT in the first and second is definitely possible. we have a solid guard already with dockery and i think shanny will try to bring in hamilton in FA to holdover for a year who knows his system and that way he can see what he has in rhineheart. so our needs on the oline are really LT, RT, and C.

i dont foresee a brandon marshall trade mostly because our first is so high. i think the broncos will be able to get a first round pick from a team drafting later in the round that would be worth more than our second. unless it was some sort of package deal or future picks.

DiG
01-13-2010, 10:51 AM
some interesting stats i stumbled upon that i very much enjoyed reading:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7872/drafthistory.gif

FYI - I talked to the guy that made this and got his stat sheet backup. It's legit but its actually through 2002 not 2006. Im adding in the 03-06 classes now and ill update with a new pic soon.

treyskins
01-14-2010, 02:19 PM
Guys,
i e-mailed a cap "expert" on another site about the 2011 draft and what happens if there is no CBA agreement(looking VERY likely) for 2010.

He said if 2010 is uncapped there will be no college draft in 2011.

To me,that makes it more likely we will take a quarterback early this year.
(The failure to get Mark Sanchez must be eating away at dannyboy.)

In 2011 will most players just opt to stay in college as there will likely be a lock-out of nfl players by the owners and a strike?
And those that have to declare,do they just go to the highest bidder?

DiG
01-14-2010, 02:22 PM
And those that have to declare,do they just go to the highest bidder?

i have no idea and i have to imagine they will find a way to have a draft. they have to. i think the uncapped thing is going to be a 1 year deal from what ive seen/heard. and even if somehow next year there wasnt a draft it would make me think even more reason to NOT draft a qb this year because that would mean that draft order wouldnt matter next year and if we wanted a top qb we could theoretically have a go at him and we know how snyders pockets work in those situations.

DiG
01-14-2010, 04:58 PM
Bugel, who retired Wednesday, will still be watching the Redskins from afar, so I asked him what he expected to see out of the Washington line next season. "A great zone blocking team," Bugel responded.
"One thing about Shanny, he believes in the running game," Bugel said. "He don't mind calling 40-45 runs on a Sunday afternoon. He's going to build the offensive line. Then you can draft a back in the sixth or seventh round. If you have a solid big-time offensive line, Joe Doakes can play behind it."
Bugel thinks Shanahan will figure out a way to build off the existing personnel and said several players benefited from the adversity faced by this season's line.

i hope buges is right.

critesy
01-14-2010, 11:29 PM
i cant wait for the offseason and next year.

DiG
01-15-2010, 06:54 AM
i cant wait for the offseason and next year.

well its started!

LOUDOUN COUNTY, VA – The Washington Redskins announced today that they have signed free agent offensive lineman Kory Lichtensteiger to a futures contract.

He was a 4th round selection by the Broncos in 2008 and played in 16 games (0 starts) as a rookie. A standout at Bowling Green, Lichtensteiger was named a finalist for the Rimington Trophy (nation’s top center) and was a first team All-MAC selection following his junior and senior seasons. He played his first two seasons at guard, where he received all-conference honors both seasons.

He was cut by McDaniels and spent time on the Vikings practice squad this past season.

Some Denver views I found surfing:

I really liked him. He had short arms, but he is aggressive with a mean streak, he just didn't fit a man blocking scheme. He is more of a fit for a zone blocking scheme.

he was a 4th round pick by Shanny, he was supposed to be our future C, but he was unimpressive in the pre season, plus we brought in Seth Olsen, and traded for Hoch so we already had 2 other backup interior linemen.

Some contribute his bad play in the pre season due to us switching from a ZBS to a more man on man blocking scheme, but i think that we still run a a version of the zbs.

Koy was ranked #149 on Scott Wrights final 2008 draft rankings and heres what Scott thought about the pick:

In round four Denver chose Bowling Green center Kory Lichtensteiger, who looks like just the type of offensive lineman that the Broncos have had so much success with throughout the years. Lichtensteiger doesn't have great size (6-2, 298) or very long arms but he moves well, understands technique and angles and is extremely smart. With Tom Nalen (37) and Casey Wiegmann (35) getting up there in years and nearing the end of their careers Lichtensteiger will most likely be groomed to take over as the Broncos starting center in a year or two.

and heres another draft profile i found:

STRENGTHS

Kory is a big solid kid with good overall athletic talent. He could play guard or center and is excellent when blocking for running plays. Kory does a solid job pass blocking and shows excellent leadership skills. He has no problems with the shotgun snap. Kory moves very well for a kid his size. He has quick feet and balance to go along with strong techniques and mental stamina. He does a good job when asked to go to the next level and block LB's. Kory is one of the few centers in this draft that can handle the bull rush. Kory is very smart -- his intelligence and his ability to make the players around him better are his greatest assets.

NEEDS TO IMPROVE

Kory lacks lateral agility, which causes him at times to lose his balance when pass blocking. He forgets his techniques and can get beat by quick DT's who work out of a 1-gap attack defense. This will be a problem at the next level which increases his LTI and may be the big reason he will be moved to the guard position. However, I have faith that Kory, with his intelligence and work ethic, will overcome this problem.

TALENT BOARD ROUND 5

Kory should be a hell of a guard/center for the team that drafts him. He can play guard also, but I think his impact position will be at center as soon as he understands how to handle those quick DT's who are in those 1 gap attack defense. Kory will have to work on his quickness and learn to slide and attack quicker off the snap to stop those types of players. If he is drafted by a team with a good offensive line coach, this should not be a problem. Kory will learn because he looks to me like he has an excellent work ethic. Kory also appears to me like he would be a very good fit in an offensive system like the Pittsburgh Steelers, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns, Baltimore Ravens use with a power running game. Any team that likes to set the pass up with a strong running game would be a great fit for Kory's talent. This is a quality kid with good overall athletic talent; he should be a hell of an offensive lineman for the team that drafts him.

I see him more likely as depth at center than anything but looks like he can play guard too. Not assuming he will start but he seems versatile and will know the terminology/scheme. I like that Shanny is already starting to address the line.

2 Live Crew
01-15-2010, 07:59 AM
Liking that pickup

DreadedDatSkinsFan
01-15-2010, 04:08 PM
QB-
Resigning Campbell is a must in my eyes. I've read/heard a lot of this Sage Rosenfells nonsense, I dont agree w/ it at all. I understand Shanahan wants to bring in competition at all positions, but answer these questions...Would he come back to DC and take Campbell's job? HELL NO!!!! Is he the QB of the future? Well if he isnt surplanting JC as the starter THIS YEAR, I seriously doubt it. So what is he going to do, be a third stringer behind YALL boy Colt Brennan? Waste of money, I'd rather see Todd Collins come back.

**DREAM SCENERIO**
Sign Donovan McNabb (allowing Campbell to sit for a year or 2)
I know Andy Reid said "McNabb is our quarterback next year", but something has to give in Philly and considering Big Andy got a contract extention this year Im assuming McNabb will be gone. If thats the case and he HITS THE FREE AGENT MARKET, I wouldnt mind seeing him taking snaps for us. Now hear me out b4 u go off people because I know you're probably ready to go off on me!!! For starters, McNabb can run the West Coast offense in his sleep. Not only that but having someone of his caliber makes us a better squad immediately, allowing Campbell to sit and watch someone whose skills he possesses to a certain extent. The icing on the cake would go to McNabb...he would get to tee-off on Philly and their fans twice a year, what player doesn't wanna stick it to a city where they aren't greatful...Priceless.

RB/FB-
CP- Cut (sad to say it...im the biggest CP fan out here)
Betts- Good-fockin-riddance
Gaither- Bring him back
Mason- Bring him Back
Rock- Bring him back
Sellers- Bring him back and tell him to get his head outta his azz
Williams- Cut

FREE AGENT
Jerious Norwood- Good fit for the zone blocking scheme. I think that HE thinks he's better than what he has produced in the league thus far, so his asking price may be kind of steep, but those are just assumptions. What i do know is with Sanahan's tutelage and Norwood's skillset, he SHOULD be a capable starter for a year or 2.


**DREAM SCENARIO**
Idk if you want to call it a dream, i dont think its far fetched at all, but trade CP for a 6th and 7th. He hasn't really burned too many bridges here like a Larry Johnson, nor is he completely over the hump so he has an ounce of value left. If we can get a pick or 2 for CP with all this depth in the draft then our front office made a great move.

WR/TE-
Moss/ Thomas/ Kelly/ Mitchell/ Cooley/ Davis/ Yoder- All keepers
Randle-El- That happy foot azz bum has got to get the hell out of my city! What is he doing on the field? Ughhhh

No dreams here, just get Randle-El out of town RIGHT NOW.

OT-
Levi- Resign for depth if nothing else
Heyer- still on the fence about him, i guess he could be resigned for depth as well
FA-
Sign Rashad Butler from Houston...versatile, quick and could push for a backup Tackle/Gaurd spot

**DREAM SCENARIO**
See signature...Orrrr
Sign Marcus McNeil or Jamaal Brown...Oh how I wish... Of course it's possible if they were to hit the market, but why would SD or NO let either player go?? Daaaaamn

OG-
If Heyer is resigned he can be used for depth but....I see Dockery bouncing back from a semi-down year. I want to see what Rinehart can do!

C-
Cory Raymer, oops i mean Casey Rabach- I appreciate how he has played since we got him but he is a backup at this point.
Williams- Is he the future?? Perhaps, but i feel we need to upgrade somehow.

**DREAM SCENARIO**
In this case I'm reaching, but I remember reading that Samson Satele was in the dog house in Oakland. Ahhhh 4get it...nevermind

DE-
We are set as far as depth..BUT
Hopefully Carter will keep up his beast mode next year, nuff said.
I want to see Orakpo as a fulltime DE (slight foreshadowing) and flipped as a RE as well as a LE. He can cause havock ala Julius Peppers.
I'd also like to see Jarmon get bigger so take Phillips starting spot
Factor that is with Wilson getting more playing time. Throw in Renzo and our DEs looks great.

DT- Ehhhh
Haynesworth was "fat and outta shape" to quote BMitch...he is what he is. He takes on the double team which allows others to shine so ill take it, I wish it didn't cause us 100M, but I'll take it. Sidenote: STOP PUTTING HIM AT DE....soooooo glad Blatch is gone.
Griffin- Cut him
Kedrick- Re-sign
Monty- Re-sign (needs more playing time)
Renzo- Keeper

**DREAM SCENARIO**
Dont know if he has any value whatsoever, but it would be great to get a draft pick for Griffin. Like I said, the more picks the better.

LBs-
Rocky- Resign him TODAY!!!
Orakpo- He did an above average job but he needs to play DE and DE only. Hell of a job playin 2 positions as a rookie but i don't need to see it again. If we have to have a DE play OLB let that player be.....
Wilson- Animal evertime he gets on the field. Love his motor and he doesn't complain about getting dikked out of playin time. Resign him before he goes somewhere else and becomes a star.

SIGN
Thomas Howard from Oakland.
He is going to waste in Oakland and its a shame because he is an animal. With Witten. Boss and Celeck in our division we need an OLB who can cover, Howard can do that w/o a doubt which will benifit someone I will mention later. I wouldn't mind signing him to a crazy deal, i think he is worth it.

CB-
Rogers- Byyyyye...unless we franchise him, I want him gone. Too cocky, too little production.

Leaving us with Hall/Smoot/JT/Barnes

We also signed Marcus McCauley who i loved in college. It will be interesting to see if he can pass JT and Barnes, hell maybe even Smoot, I wouldn't be surprised nor would I be upset.

FREE AGENT
Richard Marshall- Not a big time name but a hell of a player. Will tackle in the running game and is a level below being a top notch cover guy. Not to mention he is 4 years younger than Rogers. Give me Marshall over Rogers any day of the week.

**DREAM SCENARIO**
Trade Barnes for a pick , why the hell did we draft him? I don't care if it's a 7th round pick 3 years from now....what a wasted pick, at that point we didn't need a corner...WTF!!!!!!!! Oh well.

Safety-
Landry- Let me go on record saying "Landry is on his was to being a bust", with that said his career can still be salvaged. Blatch's philosophy must not have fit Landry's style of play because there is no way he should regress the way he has since his rookie season, well of course Blatch is gone (wheeew). I don't want to use the whole "he is a SS playing FS" arguement because with his athleticism and range the transition should not go this atrocious. I still don't think its time for him to go, put him in the box and let him do what he does best. Signing Thomas Howard would take the onus off Landry in coverage allowing him to play in space, read and disect lineman, QB and RBs 8 yards off the ball, not 15. He is what he is and thats a run stuffing, blitzing mad man....KEEP DIRTY 30 along w/ the rest of the safeties.

This brings me to the draft.
1. Eric Berry
2. Charles Brown
4. Sam Young
5. John Estes
7. Tindon Holliday

I didn't factor in any trades or my "dream scenarios", however i did factor in the FA signings i want us to sign. That would leave our 2010 depth chart as follows.

QB-
Campbell/ Brennan/ Collins
RB-
Norwood/ Gaither/ Rock/ Mason
FB-
Sellers/ Williams
WR-
Moss/ Thomas/ Kelly/ Mitchell/ Holliday (WR/RB)
TE-
Cooley/ Davis/ Yoder
LT-
Brown/ Jones
LG-
Dockery/ Heyer?????
C-
Estes/Rabach
RG-
Rinehart/ Williams/ Butler
RT-
Young/ Butler/ Heyer
RE-
Orakpo (use him like peppers)
DT-
Big Al/ Kedrick/ Monty/ Renzo
LE-
Carter/ Jarmon/ Daniels (maybe even slide him down to DT)
WLB-
Rocky/ Henson
MLB-
Fletcher/ HB
SLB-
Howard/ Wilson
LC-
Hall/ Tryon or McCauley/ Barnes =(
RC-
Marshall/ Smoot
Nickle Back-
Tryon or McCauley
FS-
Berry/ Moore
SS-
Landry/ Horton/ Doughty

snyder101
01-16-2010, 03:31 AM
QB-
Resigning Campbell is a must in my eyes. I've read/heard a lot of this Sage Rosenfells nonsense, I dont agree w/ it at all. I understand Shanahan wants to bring in competition at all positions, but answer these questions...Would he come back to DC and take Campbell's job? HELL NO!!!! Is he the QB of the future? Well if he isnt surplanting JC as the starter THIS YEAR, I seriously doubt it. So what is he going to do, be a third stringer behind YALL boy Colt Brennan? Waste of money, I'd rather see Todd Collins come back.

**DREAM SCENERIO**
Sign Donovan McNabb (allowing Campbell to sit for a year or 2)
I know Andy Reid said "McNabb is our quarterback next year", but something has to give in Philly and considering Big Andy got a contract extention this year Im assuming McNabb will be gone. If thats the case and he HITS THE FREE AGENT MARKET, I wouldnt mind seeing him taking snaps for us. Now hear me out b4 u go off people because I know you're probably ready to go off on me!!! For starters, McNabb can run the West Coast offense in his sleep. Not only that but having someone of his caliber makes us a better squad immediately, allowing Campbell to sit and watch someone whose skills he possesses to a certain extent. The icing on the cake would go to McNabb...he would get to tee-off on Philly and their fans twice a year, what player doesn't wanna stick it to a city where they aren't greatful...Priceless.

RB/FB-
CP- Cut (sad to say it...im the biggest CP fan out here)
Betts- Good-fockin-riddance
Gaither- Bring him back
Mason- Bring him Back
Rock- Bring him back
Sellers- Bring him back and tell him to get his head outta his azz
Williams- Cut

FREE AGENT
Jerious Norwood- Good fit for the zone blocking scheme. I think that HE thinks he's better than what he has produced in the league thus far, so his asking price may be kind of steep, but those are just assumptions. What i do know is with Sanahan's tutelage and Norwood's skillset, he SHOULD be a capable starter for a year or 2.


**DREAM SCENARIO**
Idk if you want to call it a dream, i dont think its far fetched at all, but trade CP for a 6th and 7th. He hasn't really burned too many bridges here like a Larry Johnson, nor is he completely over the hump so he has an ounce of value left. If we can get a pick or 2 for CP with all this depth in the draft then our front office made a great move.

WR/TE-
Moss/ Thomas/ Kelly/ Mitchell/ Cooley/ Davis/ Yoder- All keepers
Randle-El- That happy foot azz bum has got to get the hell out of my city! What is he doing on the field? Ughhhh

No dreams here, just get Randle-El out of town RIGHT NOW.

OT-
Levi- Resign for depth if nothing else
Heyer- still on the fence about him, i guess he could be resigned for depth as well
FA-
Sign Rashad Butler from Houston...versatile, quick and could push for a backup Tackle/Gaurd spot

**DREAM SCENARIO**
See signature...Orrrr
Sign Marcus McNeil or Jamaal Brown...Oh how I wish... Of course it's possible if they were to hit the market, but why would SD or NO let either player go?? Daaaaamn

OG-
If Heyer is resigned he can be used for depth but....I see Dockery bouncing back from a semi-down year. I want to see what Rinehart can do!

C-
Cory Raymer, oops i mean Casey Rabach- I appreciate how he has played since we got him but he is a backup at this point.
Williams- Is he the future?? Perhaps, but i feel we need to upgrade somehow.

**DREAM SCENARIO**
In this case I'm reaching, but I remember reading that Samson Satele was in the dog house in Oakland. Ahhhh 4get it...nevermind

DE-
We are set as far as depth..BUT
Hopefully Carter will keep up his beast mode next year, nuff said.
I want to see Orakpo as a fulltime DE (slight foreshadowing) and flipped as a RE as well as a LE. He can cause havock ala Julius Peppers.
I'd also like to see Jarmon get bigger so take Phillips starting spot
Factor that is with Wilson getting more playing time. Throw in Renzo and our DEs looks great.

DT- Ehhhh
Haynesworth was "fat and outta shape" to quote BMitch...he is what he is. He takes on the double team which allows others to shine so ill take it, I wish it didn't cause us 100M, but I'll take it. Sidenote: STOP PUTTING HIM AT DE....soooooo glad Blatch is gone.
Griffin- Cut him
Kedrick- Re-sign
Monty- Re-sign (needs more playing time)
Renzo- Keeper

**DREAM SCENARIO**
Dont know if he has any value whatsoever, but it would be great to get a draft pick for Griffin. Like I said, the more picks the better.

LBs-
Rocky- Resign him TODAY!!!
Orakpo- He did an above average job but he needs to play DE and DE only. Hell of a job playin 2 positions as a rookie but i don't need to see it again. If we have to have a DE play OLB let that player be.....
Wilson- Animal evertime he gets on the field. Love his motor and he doesn't complain about getting dikked out of playin time. Resign him before he goes somewhere else and becomes a star.

SIGN
Thomas Howard from Oakland.
He is going to waste in Oakland and its a shame because he is an animal. With Witten. Boss and Celeck in our division we need an OLB who can cover, Howard can do that w/o a doubt which will benifit someone I will mention later. I wouldn't mind signing him to a crazy deal, i think he is worth it.

CB-
Rogers- Byyyyye...unless we franchise him, I want him gone. Too cocky, too little production.

Leaving us with Hall/Smoot/JT/Barnes

We also signed Marcus McCauley who i loved in college. It will be interesting to see if he can pass JT and Barnes, hell maybe even Smoot, I wouldn't be surprised nor would I be upset.

FREE AGENT
Richard Marshall- Not a big time name but a hell of a player. Will tackle in the running game and is a level below being a top notch cover guy. Not to mention he is 4 years younger than Rogers. Give me Marshall over Rogers any day of the week.

**DREAM SCENARIO**
Trade Barnes for a pick , why the hell did we draft him? I don't care if it's a 7th round pick 3 years from now....what a wasted pick, at that point we didn't need a corner...WTF!!!!!!!! Oh well.

Safety-
Landry- Let me go on record saying "Landry is on his was to being a bust", with that said his career can still be salvaged. Blatch's philosophy must not have fit Landry's style of play because there is no way he should regress the way he has since his rookie season, well of course Blatch is gone (wheeew). I don't want to use the whole "he is a SS playing FS" arguement because with his athleticism and range the transition should not go this atrocious. I still don't think its time for him to go, put him in the box and let him do what he does best. Signing Thomas Howard would take the onus off Landry in coverage allowing him to play in space, read and disect lineman, QB and RBs 8 yards off the ball, not 15. He is what he is and thats a run stuffing, blitzing mad man....KEEP DIRTY 30 along w/ the rest of the safeties.

This brings me to the draft.
1. Eric Berry
2. Charles Brown
4. Sam Young
5. John Estes
7. Tindon Holliday

I didn't factor in any trades or my "dream scenarios", however i did factor in the FA signings i want us to sign. That would leave our 2010 depth chart as follows.

QB-
Campbell/ Brennan/ Collins
RB-
Norwood/ Gaither/ Rock/ Mason
FB-
Sellers/ Williams
WR-
Moss/ Thomas/ Kelly/ Mitchell/ Holliday (WR/RB)
TE-
Cooley/ Davis/ Yoder
LT-
Brown/ Jones
LG-
Dockery/ Heyer?????
C-
Estes/Rabach
RG-
Rinehart/ Williams/ Butler
RT-
Young/ Butler/ Heyer
RE-
Orakpo (use him like peppers)
DT-
Big Al/ Kedrick/ Monty/ Renzo
LE-
Carter/ Jarmon/ Daniels (maybe even slide him down to DT)
WLB-
Rocky/ Henson
MLB-
Fletcher/ HB
SLB-
Howard/ Wilson
LC-
Hall/ Tryon or McCauley/ Barnes =(
RC-
Marshall/ Smoot
Nickle Back-
Tryon or McCauley
FS-
Berry/ Moore
SS-
Landry/ Horton/ Doughty





The Mcnabb idea isnt bad at all .................keeping JC for two years is a waste how ever sinc he would be 31.




Draft: A QB in our first round pick.

Trade Laron or Carter and get a 2nd rounder.


Draft Jason Fox and another good OT with our 2 picks.


franchise QB
Two starting calibar OT's.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^and where good to go.


Like my idea?. O and sign terrel Owens too a two year deal to force our young wideouts to fight for that postion. I mean if T.O so called still doesnt have it than why not let our young, WR's prove us wrong. T.O in my view is a huge huge upgrade and great shape. Doesnt sound bad when you bring more weapons and competions to a team.

critesy
01-16-2010, 04:26 AM
especially if mcnabb and t.o. get back together.. in DC though :) jizz my paaants.

DiG
01-16-2010, 09:02 AM
Trade Laron or Carter and get a 2nd rounder.


Draft Jason Fox and another good OT with our 2 picks.


franchise QB
Two starting calibar OT's.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^and where good to go.



a couple flaws in your plan - fox is being way overrated. he has poor footwork and is bad in the run game which is crucial in shannys offense. no one is giving up a 2nd round for carter. the bust rate of drafting OTs in rd 2 is twice as high as round 1.

i am not a campbell supporter. never have been and dont want him to be our qb for the future. my issue is less with taking a qb and more with the qbs available. clausen is the better talent than bradford but i still dont believe either are worthy of a top 10 pick. they are more like alex smith/bradyquinn type qbs and less like matt ryan/rivers/carson palmer.

snyder101
01-16-2010, 01:13 PM
a couple flaws in your plan - fox is being way overrated. he has poor footwork and is bad in the run game which is crucial in shannys offense. no one is giving up a 2nd round for carter. the bust rate of drafting OTs in rd 2 is twice as high as round 1.
i am not a campbell supporter. never have been and dont want him to be our qb for the future. my issue is less with taking a qb and more with the qbs available. clausen is the better talent than bradford but i still dont believe either are worthy of a top 10 pick. they are more like alex smith/bradyquinn type qbs and less like matt ryan/rivers/carson palmer.
2nd round thing thats not really true. Giants dont have any first rounders nor do NE nor does Packers or Bucs.


But I believe you on not supporting JC ......but you gonna have to believe this if you draft a QB with a bad QB staff your never gonna do good. The guys you named had bad coaches the postive ones you named are the ones who had good coaches. Shanny is 3-0 on making good QB's, Cutler,Elway, Grisese, (Plummer doesnt count he was a Arizona).
We should give them a chance becauses whos too say we are in the postion to draft a QB next year?.

DiG
01-16-2010, 04:11 PM
2nd round thing thats not really true. Giants dont have any first rounders nor do NE nor does Packers or Bucs.


But I believe you on not supporting JC ......but you gonna have to believe this if you draft a QB with a bad QB staff your never gonna do good. The guys you named had bad coaches the postive ones you named are the ones who had good coaches. Shanny is 3-0 on making good QB's, Cutler,Elway, Grisese, (Plummer doesnt count he was a Arizona).
We should give them a chance becauses whos too say we are in the postion to draft a QB next year?.

statistically in the last 25 years it is absolutely true that the bust rate is 2x higher in rd2 olineman than in olineman drafted in rd1. i have it in a spreadsheet that I can send you. in the last 25 years 20% of olineman drafted in the first round have busted after 2 years whereas 40% of 2nd round olineman are not starters after 2 years. also, 40% of rd1 olineman are probowlers vs only 12% of 2nd rounders.

im with you on the qb coaching. its a huge part of what makes a qb but so is having a strong oline as well as sorrounding offensive weapons. i also dont believe that you can include cutler in shannys "success" qbs. he had two pretty good years with shanny statistically but he went 7-9 in 2007 and 8-8 in 2008 and we know what hes done in chicago so far. with that said, if shanny beleives that clausen/bradford are top 5 picks and can lead us to a super bowl than i will trust his decision. hes got the history to back it up. but i dont believe that either are right now.

snyder101
01-16-2010, 05:17 PM
statistically in the last 25 years it is absolutely true that the bust rate is 2x higher in rd2 olineman than in olineman drafted in rd1. i have it in a spreadsheet that I can send you. in the last 25 years 20% of olineman drafted in the first round have busted after 2 years whereas 40% of 2nd round olineman are not starters after 2 years. also, 40% of rd1 olineman are probowlers vs only 12% of 2nd rounders.

im with you on the qb coaching. its a huge part of what makes a qb but so is having a strong oline as well as sorrounding offensive weapons. i also dont believe that you can include cutler in shannys "success" qbs. he had two pretty good years with shanny statistically but he went 7-9 in 2007 and 8-8 in 2008 and we know what hes done in chicago so far. with that said, if shanny beleives that clausen/bradford are top 5 picks and can lead us to a super bowl than i will trust his decision. hes got the history to back it up. but i dont believe that either are right now.


The best thing too do is trade back if we dont go QB. We can pick up more guys and develop them but I herd Colt Mccoy is a guy Shanny wouldnt mind . As for RB the skins should look too pick up Reggie Bush since I think he fits the WCO zone block scheme and has alot of speed.

DiG
01-17-2010, 10:11 AM
The best thing too do is trade back if we dont go QB. We can pick up more guys and develop them but I herd Colt Mccoy is a guy Shanny wouldnt mind . As for RB the skins should look too pick up Reggie Bush since I think he fits the WCO zone block scheme and has alot of speed.

if the saints cut him absolutely. with that performance yesterday though well see what the saints end up doing. a trade back would be great but realistically you dont often see a lot of trades in the top 5 because of the $$ your picks cost. if they somehow get a rookie scale in place in time for this year (highly doubt it) than it would make things easier probably.

2 Live Crew
01-17-2010, 12:52 PM
I wouldn't mind Bush but he doesn't fit the traditional Shanahan mold of RB's in the past...don't see it happening now.

treyskins
01-17-2010, 03:43 PM
O.T. Jason Fox "is being way overrated" is a different voice ive heard(not knocking you D30 'cause i havent seen him play).

Walterfootball.com has us selecting him in round 2 alot as they reckon he fits Shanny's zone blocking scheme and DraftInsiders scout report on Fox says he is athletic.

Question i will ask is, if we look at Tackle in round 2 who besides Fox will be there?

Charles Brown(usc) likely gone in round 1,Barksdale(lsu) not yet declared and likely a first rounder,gabe Carimi(wisconsin) not yet declared.
The few mocks ive seen are full of d.e.'s/d.t's/r.b's/corners in round 2.

C'mon draftniks what is going to be out there in round 2 for Tackles?

Missed out on alex Gibbs and Dennison as coaches but if we pick up jeff Jagozinski he was at boston college and they have 2 athletic linemen,Center matt Tennant and Left Tackle Castonzo(junior-not yet declared).
Just need to pick up some third rounders.

DiG
01-17-2010, 04:48 PM
i think okung, davis, campbell, bulaga, trent williams, and iupati will go ahead of charles brown so it is reasonable to think he could be there in rd2. i like calloway more than fox even though calloway is primarily a rt prospect. id also take a guy like vladimir ducasse, asamoah, tennant or pouncey who looks like a franchise g/c over fox. small school guys like tony washington and veldheer could really impress at the combine and could see a rise similar to sebastian vollmer did last year when he was drafted rd 2 by the pats.

snyder101
01-18-2010, 02:57 AM
if the saints cut him absolutely. with that performance yesterday though well see what the saints end up doing. a trade back would be great but realistically you dont often see a lot of trades in the top 5 because of the $$ your picks cost. if they somehow get a rookie scale in place in time for this year (highly doubt it) than it would make things easier probably.

If we get bush than skins need a 2nd down RB ...............I guess Mason???.

snyder101
01-18-2010, 02:59 AM
O.T. Jason Fox "is being way overrated" is a different voice ive heard(not knocking you D30 'cause i havent seen him play).

Walterfootball.com has us selecting him in round 2 alot as they reckon he fits Shanny's zone blocking scheme and DraftInsiders scout report on Fox says he is athletic.

Question i will ask is, if we look at Tackle in round 2 who besides Fox will be there?

Charles Brown(usc) likely gone in round 1,Barksdale(lsu) not yet declared and likely a first rounder,gabe Carimi(wisconsin) not yet declared.
The few mocks ive seen are full of d.e.'s/d.t's/r.b's/corners in round 2.

C'mon draftniks what is going to be out there in round 2 for Tackles?

Missed out on alex Gibbs and Dennison as coaches but if we pick up jeff Jagozinski he was at boston college and they have 2 athletic linemen,Center matt Tennant and Left Tackle Castonzo(junior-not yet declared).
Just need to pick up some third rounders.

Redskins should pick up Broncos starter Halmton to be our new RG .I think Fox would be in our spot unless he makes a good combine than our early 2nd rould be good . We might pick up Trueblood or that other starter from the Bucs who is a LT to try and come here due too Allen connection.

treyskins
01-18-2010, 08:31 AM
i think okung, davis, campbell, bulaga, trent williams, and iupati will go ahead of charles brown so it is reasonable to think he could be there in rd2. i like calloway more than fox even though calloway is primarily a rt prospect. id also take a guy like vladimir ducasse, asamoah, tennant or pouncey who looks like a franchise g/c over fox. small school guys like tony washington and veldheer could really impress at the combine and could see a rise similar to sebastian vollmer did last year when he was drafted rd 2 by the pats.

Im just waiting for more juniors to declare.
Calloway(iowa) is one guy worth looking at as they play a zone blocking system style(but id much prefer his team mate Bulaga).

I think whoever they take at Tackle,Left or Right, they will plug in on the right side of the skins line,much like Oher started out on the right at the ravens until injury struck.

Veldheer was on my list,6foot9(?)and a fast forty time,but coming from a small school i was hoping he be around in round 4 like Haslam.
Guard Asamoah comes from Shanahan's home state so you never know, but he'd have to be special to take early in round 2.
Hoping we pick up someone like G/C Amano(titans) in free agency.

DiG
01-18-2010, 08:45 AM
Im just waiting for more juniors to declare.
Calloway(iowa) is one guy worth looking at as they play a zone blocking system style(but id much prefer his team mate Bulaga).

I think whoever they take at Tackle,Left or Right, they will plug in on the right side of the skins line,much like Oher started out on the right at the ravens until injury struck.

Veldheer was on my list,6foot9(?)and a fast forty time,but coming from a small school i was hoping he be around in round 4 like Haslam.
Guard Asamoah comes from Shanahan's home state so you never know, but he'd have to be special to take early in round 2.
Hoping we pick up someone like G/C Amano(titans) in free agency.

I just can't imagine 7 or more oline going before our early 2nd rounder which leads me to think a guy like charles brown, iupati, or vlad should be there early rd2.i I like a lot of the other guys I mentioned but I'm not sure any would be worth an early 2nd rounder. If for some reason those top 7 lineman are gone then I'd prefer best available at rb (dwyer, best, hardesty) or lb (If we go 3-4 we are gonna need more lbers), dt/de (same as lber) or a trade down for one of the other oline I mentioned.

With veldheer, I think your right that he's a 4th rounder right now. But similar to vollmer, he's only got to impress 1 coach at the combine to move up. Early 4th for him is possible though.

Trueblood is a rfa and likely will cost a lot in compensation. I love him as a player but am not sure I'd give a 2nd unless all those top 6-7 oline were gone.

Without a new CBA the oline available are really really limited. With a new cba there are a lot of decent oline that would be avail but without it, it becomes more necessary for oline in the first round.

DiG
01-21-2010, 08:21 PM
great article by espn on the importance of a strong OL in winning the super bowl!! very much worth the read.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/100119&sportCat=nfl

critesy
01-24-2010, 03:29 PM
just watched and read some on ryan matthews. i also like him for shannys offense.

DiG
01-25-2010, 09:11 AM
How does a team with a rookie qb make it to the Division Championship game?

The Jets success is something that worries me as we approach this years upcoming draft. Notice that I said the Jets success and not Mark Sanchez success. I like Sanchez. I think he has a bright future ahead of him. But lets be perfectly clear about one thing, Sanchez wasnt even close to the reason that this team made it to where they were. If you want to talk about success of rookie qbs in the NFL then in each case you need not look farther than their offensive lines. The Jets without a doubt have one of the best offensive lines in football with Nick Mangold, Damian Woody, Brandon Moore, Dbrick, and Faneca. Your looking at 2 pro bowlers this year (arguably should have been more) and 4 first round picks. Pair this with a dominant defense and you actually give a rookie qb a chance. Shonn Greene and Thomas Jones are good players but they are able to do what they do because of that offensive line.

Canadian_draft_fan
01-25-2010, 11:09 AM
How does a team with a rookie qb make it to the Division Championship game?

The Jets success is something that worries me as we approach this years upcoming draft. Notice that I said the Jets success and not Mark Sanchez success. I like Sanchez. I think he has a bright future ahead of him. But lets be perfectly clear about one thing, Sanchez wasnt even close to the reason that this team made it to where they were. If you want to talk about success of rookie qbs in the NFL then in each case you need not look farther than their offensive lines. The Jets without a doubt have one of the best offensive lines in football with Nick Mangold, Damian Woody, Brandon Moore, Dbrick, and Faneca. Your looking at 2 pro bowlers this year (arguably should have been more) and 4 first round picks. Pair this with a dominant defense and you actually give a rookie qb a chance. Shonn Greene and Thomas Jones are good players but they are able to do what they do because of that offensive line.
I am with you 100%. In many ways the Skins situation parallels the Jets of a couple of years ago. The Jets had a good but often injured QB and their quality RB was aging. They chose to rebuild their Oline and running game and then get a QB who could make a few plays. Of course building a good defense helps too. The Skins have potential for a good defense but they need to rebuild the Oline and running game. Campbell may not be an elite QB but he certainly has not had the conditions that Sanchez has (good Oline, good running game, decent WRs and good coaching). It'll be interesting to see how Shanny/Allen view the situation.

DiG
01-26-2010, 09:16 AM
I just realized that Casey Rabach is actually a free agent now due to hitting a playing time quota in his contract. I always thought that he was signed through next year but it turns out his contract is voided by that stipulation and he is technically a UFA in 2010 with or without a new cap. Hopefully its a blessing in disguise...It's a nice $3 mil savings.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-26-2010, 01:37 PM
He was horrendous last year so thankfully he's probably gone. Just like
Jon Jansen it's time to cut ties. His golden days were still as a Raven. We might not even sign a FA and might just slide Edwin Williams to center, we'll see, although one guy I'm keeping an eye out for who I think Shanny might like is Chris Chester of the Ravens who I think is an UFA.

DiG
01-26-2010, 01:47 PM
He was horrendous last year so thankfully he's probably gone. Just like
Jon Jansen it's time to cut ties. His golden days were still as a Raven. We might not even sign a FA and might just slide Edwin Williams to center, we'll see, although one guy I'm keeping an eye out for who I think Shanny might like is Chris Chester of the Ravens who I think is an UFA.

Given Chesters # of years in the league I think he would technically be a RFA in an uncapped year. He was drafted in the 2nd round so I believe that would be his tender.

critesy
01-26-2010, 08:48 PM
byers from USC, the G/C seems like a perfect fit for ZBS. keep an eye on him.

Canadian_draft_fan
01-26-2010, 08:59 PM
He was horrendous last year so thankfully he's probably gone. Just like
Jon Jansen it's time to cut ties. His golden days were still as a Raven. We might not even sign a FA and might just slide Edwin Williams to center, we'll see, although one guy I'm keeping an eye out for who I think Shanny might like is Chris Chester of the Ravens who I think is an UFA.
I'm not sure Williams fits the ZBS. The Skins recently signed Kory Lichtensteiger and he may have a shot. I agree about Rabach, I think he is done.

critesy
01-27-2010, 07:38 PM
sorry to sound like a homer but im starting to like ben tate more and more for us. showed great pass pro today at the senior bowl (didnt do much at AU) and is showcasing his speed and cutting ability to fit the system.

Canadian_draft_fan
01-27-2010, 09:28 PM
sorry to sound like a homer but im starting to like ben tate more and more for us. showed great pass pro today at the senior bowl (didnt do much at AU) and is showcasing his speed and cutting ability to fit the system.
I've been thinking that he or Ryan Matthews would be a great fit for Shanny's ZBS.

DiG
01-28-2010, 04:55 PM
with all the brandon marshall talk around the internet i am interested what you guys think. if say we cut randle el, would you guys consider trading for marshall? any thoughts on swapping first round picks with the broncos for brandon marshall and adding either a future 3rd or a 4th this year? grab a guy like bulaga at 10/11. im not even sure what i think about it yet.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-28-2010, 05:38 PM
If all it took where swapping from 4 to 10 to get Marshall I'd do that in a second. I know he has character issues but I wouldn't worry too much about it with Shanny. His problems with McDaniels really stemmed from McDaniels outing him from day 1 and trading away their franchise QB. Marshall IMO is a top 3 WR in the NFL. If we somehow got Marshall with Devin on the other side imagine Santana in the slot and returning punts again. Santana has done an admirable job at his height trying to be our #1, but IMO he could be even more productive in a Wes Welker type role in the slot being covered by extra DB's. Also IMO I feel more comfortable drafting at #10 than #4. I honestly wouldn't be that much more happier landing Okung than Anthony Davis. #10 IMO is such a flexible spot. IMO either Bradford or Clausen could easily drop to 10 so therefore you are saving millions by drafting them at 10. 10 spot is a place where someone of great talent drops unexpectedly. Maybe we even take Rolando McClain or Joe Haden. All of this is a pipe dream though.

DiG
01-29-2010, 08:22 AM
i hear you strip. im just not sure id rule out that shanahan wont at least make a conscious effort for marshall. we obviously wouldnt give them our top 5 pick but a swap isnt bad value depending on if the broncos coveted someone in the draft. otherwise, i could see us sending our early 2nd round and future considerations.

unfortunately, it sounds like the broncos want to make a deal with marshall sooner rather than later which means we wouldnt have the benefit probably of seeing how we do in free agency before pulling the trigger with denver. as much as i know we have bigger needs, i cant convince myself that trading our 2nd for marshall and a future 3rd or something wouldnt be a great move. if it hapened hopefully we could trade down in the first and pick up another pick in the mid 2nd or early 3rd.

FloridaFootball
02-09-2010, 04:44 PM
Interview on NFL network, CP made it sound like hes no where near done and looks forward to playing in Shannys system...I still want RB in the 2nd tho...

critesy
02-09-2010, 04:47 PM
was aldridge not in denver before he came to the skins?

i say give him a try in this with portis and ganther in the mix as well.

DiG
02-09-2010, 05:33 PM
yea sure portis is saying what needs to be said but still if this is the only year to basically get a free pass on cutting cap without penalties im not convinced portis is safe.

DiG
02-18-2010, 09:54 AM
2.18.10 Mock Offseason Uncapped

Cuts/Retire
Todd Collins, QB
Chris Samuels, OT
Antwan Randle El, WR
Randy Thomas, OG
Ladell Betts, RB
Cornelius Griffin, DT

Redskins FA Losses
Casey Rabach, C
Phillip Daniels, DL
Stephen Heyer, OT

Redskins Resigned
Rocky McIntosh, LB
Todd Yoder, TE
Kedric Golston, DL
Lorenzo Alexander, DL
Chris Wilson, OLB
Levi Jones, OT
Hunter Smith, P

FA Signings
Tony Pashos, OT
Mike Brisiel, OG
Dwan Edwards, DL
Tully Banta-Cain, OLB
Kevin Walter, WR
John Beck, QB

Draft
RD 1 - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
RD 2 - Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
RD 4 - Linval Joseph, NT, East Carolina
RD 5 - Robert Johnson, FS, Utah
RD 5 - James Starks, RB, Buffalo
*Trade Anthony Montgomery to Jets for 5th round draft pick
RD 7 - Marshall Newhouse, OL, TCU

Depth Chart

Offense
QB - Campbell / Brennan / Beck
RB - Portis / Starks / Cartwright
TE - Cooley / Davis / Yoder
WR - Moss / Walter / Mitchell
WR - Thomas / Kelly
LT - Okung / Jones
LG - Dockery / Montgomery
C - Pouncey / Lichtensteiger
RG - Brisiel / Rhineheart
RT - Pashos / Newhouse

3-4 Front 7
DE - Edwards / Golston
NT - Joseph / Alexander
DE - Haynesworth / Jarmon
OLB - Carter / Banta-Cain
ILB - McIntosh
ILB - Fletcher / Blades
OLB - Orakpo / Wilson

4-3 Front 7
DE - Orakpo / Jarmon
DT - Edwards / Golston / Alexander
DT - Haynesworth / Joseph
DE - Carter / Edwards
SLB - Banta-Cain / Wilson
MLB - Fletcher / Blades
WLB - McIntosh

Secondary
CB - Hall / Tryon / Barnes
CB - Rogers / Smooth
FS - Landry / Johnson / Moore
SS - Doughty / Horton

2 Live Crew
02-19-2010, 08:54 AM
Pretty thorough mock offseason DT...I'm going to grade this on accuracy at the end lol

Pashos seems like a pretty good bet right now to be with the Skins next year.

treyskins
02-20-2010, 01:40 PM
If Pashos and Levi Jones are on the team as starters then the new skins regime better have a Plan B.
Snyderatto rightly caught the flak for neglecting the o-line.

Pashos started only 7 games last season before breaking his shoulder blade.
Prior to that, he was released by the Jags due to a hand injury.
Prior to that he played on a horrid Jags O-Line that caused them to draft Tackles Monroe and Britton.
Levi Jones last played a full season in................2005.

I am hoping/praying that this off-season sees loads of trades between teams in order to make up for the empty pool of Free Agents.

Trade Bait?-Landry/Rogers/Campbell and rocky McIntosh.
Heard a "whisper" that Landry could be on his way to an afc west team not called the chargers.
We shall see.

In a month's time our mock drafts may well have a Corner or Free Safety in Round 2 for the skins.
Interesting times ahead.

DiG
02-21-2010, 11:00 AM
Trade Bait?-Landry/Rogers/Campbell and rocky McIntosh.
Heard a "whisper" that Landry could be on his way to an afc west team not called the chargers.
We shall see.

In a month's time our mock drafts may well have a Corner or Free Safety in Round 2 for the skins.
Interesting times ahead.

if we traded rocky i would be PISSED. im perfectly fine trading landry, rogers, or campbell if we get decent value. id expect a late 2nd or very early 3rd for landry and a 3rd for rogers. with campbell id probably be ok with an early 4th. with this years qb class who knows. we could get more.

in terms of the draft, there arent really any FSs I like in the top of the 2nd other than Morgan Burnett. Nate Allen is incredibly overrated right now and I wouldnt be happy if we took him before the early 3rd. I think Burnett is a much more rounded player and more upside as well.

when it comes to cb, if we traded rogers, there are quite a few 2nd round prospects i like. I would love Wilson or Cox at the top of the 2nd. Any of the other top cbs I would prefer a trade down in the 2nd.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 09:03 PM
2.18.10 Mock Offseason Uncapped

Cuts/Retire
Todd Collins, QB
Chris Samuels, OT
Antwan Randle El, WR
Randy Thomas, OG
Ladell Betts, RB
Cornelius Griffin, DT

Redskins FA Losses
Casey Rabach, C
Phillip Daniels, DL
Stephen Heyer, OT

Redskins Resigned
Rocky McIntosh, LB
Todd Yoder, TE
Kedric Golston, DL
Lorenzo Alexander, DL
Chris Wilson, OLB
Levi Jones, OT
Hunter Smith, P

FA Signings
Tony Pashos, OT
Mike Brisiel, OG
Dwan Edwards, DL
Tully Banta-Cain, OLB
Kevin Walter, WR
John Beck, QB

Draft
RD 1 - Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
RD 2 - Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida
RD 4 - Linval Joseph, NT, East Carolina
RD 5 - Robert Johnson, FS, Utah
RD 5 - James Starks, RB, Buffalo
*Trade Anthony Montgomery to Jets for 5th round draft pick
RD 7 - Marshall Newhouse, OL, TCU

Depth Chart

Offense
QB - Campbell / Brennan / Beck
RB - Portis / Starks / Cartwright
TE - Cooley / Davis / Yoder
WR - Moss / Walter / Mitchell
WR - Thomas / Kelly
LT - Okung / Jones
LG - Dockery / Montgomery
C - Pouncey / Lichtensteiger
RG - Brisiel / Rhineheart
RT - Pashos / Newhouse

3-4 Front 7
DE - Edwards / Golston
NT - Joseph / Alexander
DE - Haynesworth / Jarmon
OLB - Carter / Banta-Cain
ILB - McIntosh
ILB - Fletcher / Blades
OLB - Orakpo / Wilson

4-3 Front 7
DE - Orakpo / Jarmon
DT - Edwards / Golston / Alexander
DT - Haynesworth / Joseph
DE - Carter / Edwards
SLB - Banta-Cain / Wilson
MLB - Fletcher / Blades
WLB - McIntosh

Secondary
CB - Hall / Tryon / Barnes
CB - Rogers / Smooth
FS - Landry / Johnson / Moore
SS - Doughty / Horton

I would absolutely hate this offseason. I like the Pashos signing and thats about it.

FA Signings:
Karlos Dansby - LB
Vince Wilfork - NT/DT
Ben Hamilton - OG
Tony Pashos - OT
Chester Taylor - RB
Peyton Hillis - FB

Draft:
1 - Jimmy Clausen - QB - Notre Dame
2 - Vladimir Ducasse - OT - Massachusetts
3 - Darryl Washington - DE/OLB - TCU (Trade Andre Carter for a 3rd)
4 - Major Wright - FS - Florida
5 - Matt Tennant - C - Boston College
7 - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - CB - Indiana (PA)


QB - Campbell / Clausen / Brennan
RB - Portis / Mason / Alridge
FB - Hillis
WR - Moss / Thomas / Kelly / Mitchell / ???
TE - Cooley / Davis
LT - Ducasse / Jones
LG - Dockery / Lichtensteiger
C - Tennant / Lichtensteiger / Williams
RG - Hamilton / Rinehart
RT - Pashos / Heyer

3-4 Look
DE - Haynesworth
NT - Wilfork
DE - Montgomery
OLB - Orakpo / Wilson
ILB - Dansby / McIntosh
ILB - Fletcher / Blades
OLB - Washington/McIntosh

4-3 Look
DE - Jarmon / ???
DT - Haynesworth / Montgomery
DT - Wilfork / Golston
DE - Orakpo / ???
OLB - McIntosh / Washington
MLB - Fletcher / Blades
OLB - Dansby / Wilson

Secondary
CB - Hall / Barnes / Tryon
CB - Rogers / Owusu-Ansah
FS - Wright / Moore
SS - Landry / Horton / Doughty

I see us keeping Rocky even if we pick up Dansby because a Dansby/McIntosh ILB combo for a 3-4 would be very good once Fletcher retires and that isnt too far down the road.

If the cap goes away I dont see it coming back. The big market owners wont want a limit to which they have to spend and the small market teams wont want a floor on what they have to spend. I dont care if we become the yankees of the NFL, if thats what it takes to win the so be it. If there is no cap dont be surprised if Dan lets Shanahan tell him who he wants/needs to build a damn good team. If there is no cap and we are looking for a 3-4 OLB and wont have enough picks to draft one, you cant tell me Snyder wont really contemplate Peppers.

DiG
02-21-2010, 09:12 PM
I would absolutely hate this offseason. I like the Pashos signing and thats about it.

FA Signings:
Karlos Dansby - LB
Vince Wilfork - NT/DT
Ben Hamilton - OG
Tony Pashos - OT
Chester Taylor - RB
Peyton Hillis - FB

Draft:
1 - Jimmy Clausen - QB - Notre Dame
2 - Vladimir Ducasse - OT - Massachusetts
3 - Darryl Washington - DE/OLB - TCU (Trade Andre Carter for a 3rd)
4 - Major Wright - FS - Florida
5 - Matt Tennant - C - Boston College
7 - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - CB - Indiana (PA)


QB - Campbell / Clausen / Brennan
RB - Portis / Mason / Alridge
FB - Hillis
WR - Moss / Thomas / Kelly / Mitchell / ???
TE - Cooley / Davis
LT - Ducasse
LG - Dockery
C - Tennant
RG - Hamilton
RT - Pashos

3-4 Look
DE - Haynesworth
NT - Wilfork
DE - Montgomery
OLB - Orakpo
ILB - Dansby
ILB - Fletcher
OLB - Washington/McIntosh

4-3 Look
DE - Jarmon
DT - Haynesworth
DT - Wilfork
DE - Orakpo
OLB - McIntosh
MLB - Fletcher
OLB - Dansby

Secondary
CB - Hall
CB - Rogers
FS - Wright
SS - Landry

I see us keeping Rocky even if we pick up Dansby because a Dansby/McIntosh ILB combo for a 3-4 would be very good once Fletcher retires and that isnt too far down the road.

you are beyond crazy to think we are going to sign dansby and wilfork. if we signed one of them id be shocked. no way we bring in both. daryl washington in the 3rd is incredibly unrealistic and he isnt a great fit in a 3-4, especially outside. vlad has no future at lt in a zbs. he is barely a good fit at rt in a zbs. he projects more at guard in a shanahan style offensive line. matt tennant in the 5th is hysterical. hes easily the 2nd best center in the draft and i doubt he makes it past the 3rd round. i cant beleive youd even consider putting rocky outside in a 3-4. what an incredibly stupid idea. he will play inside in 3-4 looks without any doubt in my mind and the fact that you dont even have mcintosh starting in the 3-4 is ridiculous. id hate to see montgomery outside in a 3-4 at de. he has no athleticism and would get destroyed.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 09:23 PM
i hear you strip. im just not sure id rule out that shanahan wont at least make a conscious effort for marshall. we obviously wouldnt give them our top 5 pick but a swap isnt bad value depending on if the broncos coveted someone in the draft. otherwise, i could see us sending our early 2nd round and future considerations.

unfortunately, it sounds like the broncos want to make a deal with marshall sooner rather than later which means we wouldnt have the benefit probably of seeing how we do in free agency before pulling the trigger with denver. as much as i know we have bigger needs, i cant convince myself that trading our 2nd for marshall and a future 3rd or something wouldnt be a great move. if it hapened hopefully we could trade down in the first and pick up another pick in the mid 2nd or early 3rd.

Swapping 4th to 10th for Marshall seems like something that can be done since Denver could pick up Clausen/Bradford or have their choice of either.

DiG
02-24-2010, 08:43 AM
A couple rumors yesterday that were being discussed on 980 radio. Kevin Sheehan reported from what he calls a reliable source a couple of different things hes heard around Washington

1) Jason Campbell could be traded to Buffalo in exchange for Safety Donte Whitmer.

2) The Redskins QB situation is really strange. Apparently, the Shanahans are crazy about Colt Brennan. It was said that they might sign a veteran free agent, like Chad Pennington or Jeff Garcia to hold the fort until the future QB is ready. It was also said that Mike Shanahan wants to draft a QB in the later rounds, and that he likes Zac Robinson.

3) The Redskins are talking with Denver and attempting to trade LaRon Landry and Santana Moss to Denver for Brandon Marshall.

For me, it doesnt make a lot of sense to bring in another SS, unless of course the idea is to trade landry and draft eric berry. berry and whitner starting with horton/doughty as backups wouldnt be a bad thing in my mind.

D-Unit
02-24-2010, 10:04 AM
A couple rumors yesterday that were being discussed on 980 radio. Kevin Sheehan reported from what he calls a reliable source a couple of different things hes heard around Washington

1) Jason Campbell could be traded to Buffalo in exchange for Safety Donte Whitmer.

2) The Redskins QB situation is really strange. Apparently, the Shanahans are crazy about Colt Brennan. It was said that they might sign a veteran free agent, like Chad Pennington or Jeff Garcia to hold the fort until the future QB is ready. It was also said that Mike Shanahan wants to draft a QB in the later rounds, and that he likes Zac Robinson.

3) The Redskins are talking with Denver and attempting to trade LaRon Landry and Santana Moss to Denver for Brandon Marshall.

For me, it doesnt make a lot of sense to bring in another SS, unless of course the idea is to trade landry and draft eric berry. berry and whitner starting with horton/doughty as backups wouldnt be a bad thing in my mind.
Looks like Shanny is seeing things through my eyes!!!! :D

AWESOME NEWS... if true! YAY!

toddmlazarchick
02-24-2010, 09:35 PM
you are beyond crazy to think we are going to sign dansby and wilfork. if we signed one of them id be shocked. no way we bring in both. daryl washington in the 3rd is incredibly unrealistic and he isnt a great fit in a 3-4, especially outside. vlad has no future at lt in a zbs. he is barely a good fit at rt in a zbs. he projects more at guard in a shanahan style offensive line. matt tennant in the 5th is hysterical. hes easily the 2nd best center in the draft and i doubt he makes it past the 3rd round. i cant beleive youd even consider putting rocky outside in a 3-4. what an incredibly stupid idea. he will play inside in 3-4 looks without any doubt in my mind and the fact that you dont even have mcintosh starting in the 3-4 is ridiculous. id hate to see montgomery outside in a 3-4 at de. he has no athleticism and would get destroyed.

No i dont expect both now that Wilfork has been tagged. And what is it that makes you think we couldnt sign whomever we wanted. Its Dan Snyder and its an uncapped season. Contracts can be front loaded so when the cap does come back IF it ever does we wont be strapped. Just like Al. Washington in the top of the 3rd is very realistic. Tennant is the 3rd best C in the draft. Centers do no start coming off the board until the 3rd except for top notch talent like Mack and perhaps Pouncey. For Rocky to play OLB in a 3-4 he would need to bulk up a tad and develop a pass rush technique. Not exactly asking him to learn nuclear physics.

toddmlazarchick
02-24-2010, 09:37 PM
A couple rumors yesterday that were being discussed on 980 radio. Kevin Sheehan reported from what he calls a reliable source a couple of different things hes heard around Washington

1) Jason Campbell could be traded to Buffalo in exchange for Safety Donte Whitmer.

2) The Redskins QB situation is really strange. Apparently, the Shanahans are crazy about Colt Brennan. It was said that they might sign a veteran free agent, like Chad Pennington or Jeff Garcia to hold the fort until the future QB is ready. It was also said that Mike Shanahan wants to draft a QB in the later rounds, and that he likes Zac Robinson.

3) The Redskins are talking with Denver and attempting to trade LaRon Landry and Santana Moss to Denver for Brandon Marshall.

For me, it doesnt make a lot of sense to bring in another SS, unless of course the idea is to trade landry and draft eric berry. berry and whitner starting with horton/doughty as backups wouldnt be a bad thing in my mind.

Ive heard about 1 and 3 but what source or link do you have to 2. Extremeskins is the pulse of this team when it comes to fan base forum and ive never seen anything where he prefers Colt and likes Zac Robinson.

DiG
02-24-2010, 10:04 PM
Ive heard about 1 and 3 but what source or link do you have to 2. Extremeskins is the pulse of this team when it comes to fan base forum and ive never seen anything where he prefers Colt and likes Zac Robinson.

no link. i said before it was from kevin sheehan on espn 980 radio.

toddmlazarchick
02-24-2010, 10:04 PM
Im updating my offseason plan:

FA Signing:
Karlos Dansby - LB
Ben Hamilton - OG
Mike Brisiel - OT
Chris Kuper - OG
Julius Peppers - DE/OLB
Casey Wiegmann - C
Antrel Rolle - FS
Dunta Robinson - CB
Jeff Garcia - QB
Kaseem Osgood - WR

Trade:
Andre Carter - 3rd Round Pick
London Fletcher - 4th Round Pick
Carlos Rogers - 3rd Round Pick
Jason Campbell - 2nd Round Pick

Draft:
Round 1 - Jimmy Clausen - QB - Notre Dame
Round 2 - Jahvid Best - RB - California
Round 2 (Trade) - Charles Brown - OT - USC
Round 3 (Trade) - AJ Edds - LB - Iowa
Round 3 (Trade) - Cam Thomas - DT - North Carolina
Round 4 - Matt Tennant - C - Boston College
Round 4 (Trade) - Micah Johnson - ILB - Kentucky
Round 5 - Mitch Petrus - OG - Arkansas
Round 7 - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - CB - Indiana (PA)

2010 Offense
QB - Jimmy Clausen / Colt Brennan / Jeff Garcia
RB - Clinton Portis / Jahvid Best / Marcus Mason
FB - Mike Sellers
WR - Santana Moss / Devin Thomas / Malcolm Kelly / Marco Mitchell / Kaseem Osgood
TE - Chris Cooley / Fred Davis / Todd Yoder
LT - Charles Brown / Levi Brown
LG - Derrick Dockery / Ben Hamilton
C - Casey Wiegmann / Matt Tennant
RG - Chris Kuper / Mitch Petrus
RT - Mike Brisiel / Stephon Heyer

2010 Defense

3-4 Look
DE - Albert Haynesworth
DT - Cam Thomas / Anthony Montgomery
DE - Jeremy Jarmon
OLB - Julius Peppers / AJ Edds
ILB - Karlos Dansby / H.B. Blades
ILB - Rocky McIntosh / Micah Johnson
OLB - Brian Orakpo / Chris Wilson
CB - DeAngelo Hall / Kevin Barnes / Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
CB - Dunta Robinson / Justin Tryon
FS - Antrel Rolle / Kareem Moore
SS - LaRon Landry / Chris Horton / Reed Doughty

4-3 Look
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Albert Haynesworth / Anthony Montgomery
DT - Cam Thomas
DE - Brian Orakpo / Jeremy Jarmon
OLB - Karlos Dansby / AJ Edds
MLB - H.B. Blades / Micah Johnson
OLB - Rocky McIntosh / Chris Wilson
CB - DeAngelo Hall / Kevin Barnes / Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
CB - Dunta Robinson / Justin Tryon
FS - Antrel Rolle / Kareem Moore
SS - LaRon Landry / Chris Horton / Reed Doughty

I know its a real long shot with the trades and the money that would have to be spent on FAs but Shanahan did say he wanted to go to a team where he could build his very own team how he wanted it and Snyder isnt strapped for cash so anything is possible.

DiG
02-24-2010, 10:05 PM
peppers, dansby, antrelle rolle, and dunta robinson....keep dreaming...you act like theres going to be no cap forever...its one year. that mock is borderline stupid.

703SKINS202
02-24-2010, 10:07 PM
Im updating my offseason plan:

FA Signing:
Karlos Dansby - LB
Ben Hamilton - OG
Mike Brisiel - OT
Chris Kuper - OG
Julius Peppers - DE/OLB
Casey Wiegmann - C
Antrel Rolle - FS
Dunta Robinson - CB
Jeff Garcia - QB
Kaseem Osgood - WR

Trade:
Andre Carter - 3rd Round Pick
London Fletcher - 4th Round Pick
Carlos Rogers - 3rd Round Pick
Jason Campbell - 2nd Round Pick

Draft:
Round 1 - Jimmy Clausen - QB - Notre Dame
Round 2 - Jahvid Best - RB - California
Round 2 (Trade) - Charles Brown - OT - USC
Round 3 (Trade) - AJ Edds - LB - Iowa
Round 3 (Trade) - Cam Thomas - DT - North Carolina
Round 4 - Matt Tennant - C - Boston College
Round 4 (Trade) - Micah Johnson - ILB - Kentucky
Round 5 - Mitch Petrus - OG - Arkansas
Round 7 - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - CB - Indiana (PA)

2010 Offense
QB - Jimmy Clausen / Colt Brennan / Jeff Garcia
RB - Clinton Portis / Jahvid Best / Marcus Mason
FB - Mike Sellers
WR - Santana Moss / Devin Thomas / Malcolm Kelly / Marco Mitchell / Kaseem Osgood
TE - Chris Cooley / Fred Davis / Todd Yoder
LT - Charles Brown / Levi Brown
LG - Derrick Dockery / Ben Hamilton
C - Casey Wiegmann / Matt Tennant
RG - Chris Kuper / Mitch Petrus
RT - Mike Brisiel / Stephon Heyer

2010 Defense

3-4 Look
DE - Albert Haynesworth
DT - Cam Thomas / Anthony Montgomery
DE - Jeremy Jarmon
OLB - Julius Peppers / AJ Edds
ILB - Karlos Dansby / H.B. Blades
ILB - Rocky McIntosh / Micah Johnson
OLB - Brian Orakpo / Chris Wilson
CB - DeAngelo Hall / Kevin Barnes / Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
CB - Dunta Robinson / Justin Tryon
FS - Antrel Rolle / Kareem Moore
SS - LaRon Landry / Chris Horton / Reed Doughty

4-3 Look
DE - Julius Peppers
DT - Albert Haynesworth / Anthony Montgomery
DT - Cam Thomas
DE - Brian Orakpo / Jeremy Jarmon
OLB - Karlos Dansby / AJ Edds
MLB - H.B. Blades / Micah Johnson
OLB - Rocky McIntosh / Chris Wilson
CB - DeAngelo Hall / Kevin Barnes / Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
CB - Dunta Robinson / Justin Tryon
FS - Antrel Rolle / Kareem Moore
SS - LaRon Landry / Chris Horton / Reed Doughty

I know its a real long shot with the trades and the money that would have to be spent on FAs but Shanahan did say he wanted to go to a team where he could build his very own team how he wanted it and Snyder isnt strapped for cash so anything is possible.
You are delusional.

toddmlazarchick
02-24-2010, 10:39 PM
peppers, dansby, antrelle rolle, and dunta robinson....keep dreaming...you act like theres going to be no cap forever...its one year. that mock is borderline stupid.

Right because you have a crystal ball! You dont know if the cap will ever come back. The owners do not want a cap. Big market teams do not want a limit on what they can spend. Small market teams do not want a floor limit of what they have to spend. And please tell me what is so stupid about that mock. What player I selected is so stupid.

HChu
02-24-2010, 11:04 PM
Right because you have a crystal ball! You dont know if the cap will ever come back. The owners do not want a cap. Big market teams do not want a limit on what they can spend. Small market teams do not want a floor limit of what they have to spend. And please tell me what is so stupid about that mock. What player I selected is so stupid.

Right, because you have a crystal ball to know that the NFL will remain cap-less. That mock is absurd.

toddmlazarchick
02-25-2010, 02:12 AM
Right, because you have a crystal ball to know that the NFL will remain cap-less. That mock is absurd.

I dont know just as much as anyone else. Even if it does, contracts will be front loaded to prevent being cap strapped if it does come back.

ONCE AGAIN what is so absurd about the mock? Which pick do you see as absurd? Let me know instead of just saying its absurd. You sound like an idiot without reasoning.

DiG
02-25-2010, 07:45 AM
trading london fletcher at the age of 35 for a 4th round pick is absurd. trading campbell for a 2nd round pick is absurd. chris kuper is a RFA so signing him as a FA is absurd. signing robinson, peppers, dansby, and rolle all in FA is beyond absurd and completely unrealistic. i have no idea where you come up with this stuff but its what gives redskins fans a bad rap.

toddmlazarchick
02-25-2010, 12:21 PM
trading london fletcher at the age of 35 for a 4th round pick is absurd. trading campbell for a 2nd round pick is absurd. chris kuper is a RFA so signing him as a FA is absurd. signing robinson, peppers, dansby, and rolle all in FA is beyond absurd and completely unrealistic. i have no idea where you come up with this stuff but its what gives redskins fans a bad rap.

Oh please you are questioning me and my fanhood over a stupid "DREAM" offseason. This coming from the guy who thinks Colt Brennan is the answer. ONE good preseason against third string/UDFAs = Franchise QB. If anything your delusional Brennan love is what gives us fans a bad name. Not to mention he was a total flop last preseason.

Campbell has been linked to STL and BUF. He has a 1st and 3rd tender on him. Getting a 2nd for him is nowhere near absurd. If we are switching to a 3-4 there is no room for Fletcher and McIntosh if we sign Dansby. Its smarter to keep the younger proven talent then the older proven talent. It has been stated that Kuper does not fit what Denver is looking to do, neither does Peyton Hillis. Just because they are RFA doesn't mean they will be tendered.

You clearly did not read the first time I posted how I said all of this happening is a huge long shot but with an owner so passionate about this team winning I dont see anything as impossible, just improbable.