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Hines
04-29-2009, 07:33 PM
I posted this in the draft grades thread, but I decided that since mine are so large, I would make my own thread.



Here are my full grades for the NFL Draft. They probably suck, but they are my opinion.



Arizona Cardinals: B

Very solid draft as they addressed their most glaring needs, OLB and RB. Beanie Wells will make that explosive offense even better. Cody Brown could contend for a starting job, and Canfield and Johnson could be future starters along the offensive line. Toler could be the next DRC, although he is making a huge competition jump.

Best pick: Beanie Wells- Brings a solid back to take the pressure off the pass.

Worst pick: Rashad Johnson- I like Johnson a lot, but with Rolle and Wilson as the safeties, where will he fit?

Sleeper pick: Trevor Canfield- Toler could be a sleeper pick, but I believe Canfield could be the sleeper of this draft.


Atlanta Falcons: B-

A solid draft, but not really a sexy draft. Their biggest move was acquiring Tony Gonzalez from KC. He would give Ryan a legit option as a tight end and can get pressure off of Turner and White. Peria Jerry is a nice pick and shores up their defense. William Moore was a first rounder after his Junior year, but slipped due to lack of production. They got two projects at corner who could pan out, but I am not expecting much.

Best pick: Peria Jerry- Will shore up the middle of that defense and provide some pass rush.

Worst pick: Christopher Owens- With other corners on the board, they chose a guy who will be a dime corner.

Sleeper pick: Garrett Reynolds- An aggressive run blocker, he could develop into a starter down the road.

Baltimore Ravens: A

A very solid draft. They get a steal in Michael Oher, who could be the best tackle in the draft when itís all said and done. Paul Kruger provides depth at both linebacker and defensive end, but will need to bulk up if he wants to play end. Webb could play both corner and safety and I could see him starting.

Best pick: Michael Oher- Will be the opening day RT. Inconsistent, but if the light turns on, he could be an All Pro.

Worst pick: Devon Drew- This was a tough one to chose, but I donít see Drew making the roster.

Sleeper pick: Jason Phillips- A player I wanted on the Steelers. I wouldnít be surprised if he is the heir apparent to Ray Lewis.

Buffalo Bills: B-

They got a few starters in this draft. I like the draft. Maybin, Nelson, Wood, and Levitre will be opening day starters for the Bills.

Best pick: Shawn Nelson- In the fourth round, they landed a guy who was suppose to go in the second. A steal for the Bills.

Worst pick: Nic Harris- Too slow for safety and I donít think he would fit in well at linebacker.

Sleeper pick: Andy Levitre- I donít think he is too much of a sleeper, but I think he will be the best lineman that they drafted and could be a very solid guard for them.

Carolina Panthers: B+

Got quite a few steals in Brown and Robinson. Brown could be the heir apparent for the disgruntled Julius Peppers. Duke Robinson could prove to be a very good pick when he was once considered a first round pick.

Best pick: Everette Brown- A steal IMO. Once considered a top 10 draft pick and they got him in the mid second.

Worst pick: Mike Goodson- I really like him, but if they arenít going to move him to WR and have him return, I think he wont even touch the field.

Sleeper pick- Tony Fiametta- The best FB in the draft. I think he will be the starter at the start of the season and could be a LaíRon McClain type of player.


Chicago Bears: B

Despite not having a first day pick, they had a solid draft. The acquisition of Cutler gives them a franchise quarterback that they have lacked for the past few years. Gilbert, although raw, could contribute right away in passing downs and could start down the road. Iglesias could contend for some playing time, Moore is a solid returner and has good ball skills, but small. I think Henry Melton is underrated and could fight for a starting job soon. Marcus Freeman is a steal and could end up starting in the next few years.

Best pick: Marcus Freeman- I personally believe he is a little better than Laurinatis. I think he starts soon.

Worst pick: Al Afalava- Although he would provide good depth and special teams ability, I donít think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Derek Kinder- I really am high on Kinder. I was mad when the Bears selected him because I wanted him as a UDFA for the Steelers. I think he could be a solid receiver for the Bears.


Cincinnati Bengals: A

The Bengals have finally put together a successful draft. They have potentially 5 starters in this class. Maualuga was a steal for them on the top of the second round.

Best pick: Chase Coffman: I think he wouldíve been the second tight end tight end taken if he wasnít hurt in the draft process. I think he will provide a very solid offense in Cincinnati.

Worst pick: Bernard Scott: Yes he is extremely talented and could play a nice role on the team, but for a team who wants to clean up the locker room, they got a guy who has been in trouble a lot and has been kicked off a lot of teams. I donít see him in the NFL long.

Sleeper pick: Michael Johnson- I donít know if you would consider it a sleeper pick, but if he ever lives up to that potential, the Bengals have a very, very, very solid player.

Cleveland Browns: C-

The Browns traded the fifth overall pick for Alex Mack, David Veikune, and three players who wonít do much for the Browns. They shouldíve stayed at 5 and selected Crabtree. Mack will be a very good player, but I donít think he will make the type of impact Crabtree couldíve had. I am very high on Don Carey and I believe he will be a helluva player in the league.

Best pick: Brian Robiskie- I believe he will be a very good receiver for the Browns. Will probably start Week 1.

Worst pick: David Veikune- I just think he is a workout warrior and will not pan out in the NFL.

Sleeper pick: James Davis- Ran slower than expected, but I think the talent is still there. I think he could be a starter for Cleveland down the line.


Dallas Cowboys: D

This draft was a head scratcher to me. They had 12 picks, but manage to get no one really exciting. I think Jason Williams will end up starting, but other than that, I am not too thrilled with this draft. Mike Mickens could be a starter for the Boys as well. I donít see a lot of kids from this class making the team.

Best pick: Jason Williams- I think he is Lawrence Timmons like, very athletic and explosive. I think he will be a starter in the coming years.

Worst pick- David Buehler- They have Nick Folk who is capable of being All Pro and select a kicker? Puzzles me.

Sleeper pick: Mike Mickens- I think he has the tools to start in this league and was a steal in the seventh for the Cowboys.


Denver Broncos: C+

An average draft. I think Knowshon will be a stud in that system, Smith will be the opening day starter next to Champ, and Ayers will provide a good pass rusher for them on the line or as a linebacker.

Best pick: Knowshon Moreno: Although it puzzled me at first, it makes sense because it gives the Broncos a workhorse back who could do damage in that system.

Worst pick: Richard Quinn: I like Quinn, but I do not see him as a second round talent. They already have two tight ends on the roster and they chose another one. Head scratcher.

Sleeper pick: David Bruton- I am a huge fan of his. He is learning behind one of the best FSís in the league Brian Dawkins and could be a starter when itís all said and done.


Detroit Lions: C+

I like their draft for the most part. Passing on Oher for Pettigrew might haunt them in the end, but I guess they feel confident in Pettigrew and Jeff Backus. Stafford wonít get pressed into starter duty early with Culpepper being there. Delmas was a solid pick and will be the starting FS.

Best pick: Matthew Stafford- Obviously the best choice for them. I personally would have went for Jason Smith, but the Lions got their franchise quarterback.

Worst pick: Dan Gronkowski- They already drafted a tight end, do they really need another one?

Sleeper pick: Derrick Williams- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am being a Penn State homer, but I think he will be a better pro than college player. Could be the slot guy and be the returner.

Green Bay Packers: B

I like the Raji and Mathews picks as they are transitioning to a 34 defense. Lang and Meredith could contend for starting jobs on the offensive line and Quinn Johnson could be a great lead blocker for Ryan Grant.

Best pick: BJ Raji- I think he will make a very instant impact on that defense.

Worst pick: Jarius Wynn- I donít know how he would fit in a 34 defense as he is too small for DE and possibly too big and slow for OLB.

Sleeper pick: Brandon Underwood- Provides great depth behind Al Harris and Charles Woodson. Could be the heir apparent to one of them.


Houston Texans: B

I like their draft. Early in the draft, they approached defense and got two potential starters in Brian Cushing and Connor Barwin. Caldwell could start at center, while Casey could be a solid pass catcher in the system.

Best pick: Brian Cushing- He fits their need a linebacker very well and him and Ryans could be a real good duo.

Worst pick: Troy Nolan- Yes he is a seventh round pick and most teams donít really bank on them being stars, but I think they couldíve gotten a WR with this pick, or gotten a running back to split carries with Steve Slaton. He reminds me of Josh Barrett from last year.

Sleeper pick: Glover Quinn- I think he could be a very solid safety for the Texans. He is very physical and has good ball skills.


Indianapolis Colts: B

I like their draft. They addressed their defensive need at DT and got a good compliment to Addai in Donald Brown. Austin Collie, IMO, can fight for a starting job right away.

Best pick: Fila Moala- I think he will step in right away and start and help the woeful run defense that the Colts had last season.

Worst pick: Terrance Taylor- I like Taylor and think he will start, but I donít think he fits in the defensive system the Colts run.

Sleeper pick: Austin Collie- Like I said before, I think he can contend for a starting job and at worst, be the slot guy.

Jacksonville Jaguars: C+

I like the first two picks as Monroe and Britton can help the left side of the line right away. Mike Thomas and Jarrett Dillard provide good depth at wide receiver. Thomas will probably be the return specialist right away. What made the grade go down are the two reaches in the third round, Terrance Knighton and Derek Cox. I think Jennings could be a good compliment to MJD in the long run.

Best pick: Eugene Monroe- Great pick for them. I believe he was the best tackle in the draft and he could develop into something special.

Worst pick: Terrance Knighton and Derek Cox- They could be very solid players for many years to come, but I do not get why they reached for these two. The Jags have had success finding small school corners, but for the time being, I think it was a bad move.

Sleeper pick: Jarrett Dillard- I believe he is very underrated and could be Holtís heir apparent when Holt leaves. Dillard is very much like Holt IMO.


Kansas City Chiefs: C+

Not really a wow draft or a very bad one, but it could be a lot better. I am not so sure passing up Curry was the best way to go. Sure Jackson could be a good player, but is he really a top 3 player in the draft? I donít think so. I really like Magee and I think Washington has great potential.

Best pick: Alex Magee- Although rather small to play 34 DE, I like his potential and his motor.

Worst pick: Tyson Jackson- I like Jackson, but I do not think he was the right choice at 3 IMO.

Sleeper pick: Quinten Lawrence- This dude is fast. He averaged 19.2 ypc in college. I donít care what level it is at, that is very good. Could help in the return game as well.


Miami Dolphins: C+

Unless they arenít that high on Henne, I donít know why they would chose White unless he is moving to WR. I am not very high on Patrick Turner and think he couldíve been had later in the draft. Davis and Smith could help that secondary out a lot and I like Gardner and think he could come in and play as a back up.

Best pick: Vontae Davis- The most physically gifted player in the draft IMO. If he doesnít turn out like his brother, the Dolphins have a really good player.

Worst pick: Pat White- I still donít know why they would chose a ďWildcatĒ quarterback. He could move to wide receiver but I donít think he wants to play that.

Sleeper pick: Brian Hartline- I think he could develop into a nice possession receiver for the Dolphins.


Minnesota Vikings: B

I like Harvin, Loadholt, and Allen. Brinkley could contend for playing time and end up starting when EJ Henderson leaves.

Best pick: Phil Loadholt- Finally the Ryan Cook era ends.

Worst pick: Jamarca Stanford- He isnít that big or fast, and I donít think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Jasper Brinkley- I like this kid a lot. A thumper of every sense of the word. Could be a key contributor later in his career.


New England Patriots: B

What gives them a B is getting extra high picks for next year. Why on earth would teams trade with them? To this yearís draft, I like Darius Butler, Ron Brace, and Myron Pryor. Butler could end up being a starter, Brace will spill Wilfork, and I think Tate will be a solid receiver and return man. Solid draft.

Best pick: Darius Butler- My favorite corner in the draft. He is very explosive and athletic. I think Billicheck will have fun coaching this guy up.

Worst pick: Sebastian Vollmer- I donít doubt Bellicheck, but this pick puzzles me on how high he went. Could end up being the RT of the near future.

Sleeper pick: Jake Ingram- Yay a long snapper!


New Orleans Saints: C

They concentrated on defense a lot in this draft. Jenkins, Vaughn, and Arnoux could end up being solid players for the Saints.

Best pick: Malcolm Jenkins- Can play both safety and corner. Perfect C2 corner. The best corner in the draft.

Worst pick: Not picking a RB- They needed a running back for Bush and/or Pierre Thomas. They failed to grab one.

Sleeper pick: Chip Vaughn- I like his mentality. He can hit very hard and could be a very good in the box safety for the Saints.


New York Giants: A

They simply got playmakers for Eli in this draft. One of my favorite drafts. Nicks, Barden, Beckum, and Beatty all could be starters soon.

Best pick: Hakeem Nicks- Very solid receiver who is physical. Could be the most ideal replacement for Plex.

Worst pick: There arenít many picks in this draft I do not like, but I will say Stoney Woodson.

Sleeper pick: Andre Brown- Wow, him and Jacobs carrying the ball will really wear down defenses. Then a fast guy like Bradshaw coming in and outrunning that tired defense. Real solid pick for the Giants.


New York Jets: B+

They got their franchise quarterback in Mark Sanchez and didnít give up that much value for him. Shonn Green could be a nice replacement for Thomas Jones. It will hard to pick a player for this team since they only had three picks.

Best pick: Mark Sanchez- Franchise quarterback.

Worst pick: Matt Slauson- I know nothing about him.

Sleeper pick: Shonn Greene- He is damn good.


Oakland Raiders: D

Why on earth would you pass on Michael Crabtree when he is on the board? I like DHB more than Jeremy Maclin, but that is no excuse to choseDHB over Crabtree. I also donít like the Michael Mitchell pick. They couldíve picked him up later. I liked some of the second day picks, though.

Best pick: Louis Murphy- I like the kidís potential. He was overshadowed a lot, but could turn out to be the better of the WRs that overshadowed him.

Worst pick: Michael Mitchell- Only the Raiders would reach this high for a player they like.

Sleeper pick: Stryker Sulak- Could be a very underrated pass rusher in the Raiders scheme. I like this pick.


Philadelphia Eagles: A

Quite possibly my favorite draft this year. Got two steals in Maclin and McCoy and got depth along the way. I believe Macho Harris could be the FS of the future for the Eagles, Ingram will be the tight end, and Brandon Gibson will be a player for the Eagles.

Best Pick: Jeremy Maclin- No one thought he would be there. When he was, the Eagles had to snatch him up to give McNabb more weapons.

Worst pick: Paul Fanaika- I watched him through college and he isnít very good. I donít know why he got drafted and will get cut in training camp due to being not that strong and always on the ground.

Sleeper pick: Macho Harris- I personally believe he is going to be a beast in the Eaglesí defensive scheme. He might be too slow for corner, but I think his ball skills and hitting ability can make him a stud FS.


Pittsburgh Steelers: B

A very solid, but not a sexy draft like years past. Hood will bring a very athletic presence to the Steelers aging defensive line. Urbik, IMO, will be the starter at RG on the first week of the season. Wallace and Burnett will man the return duties. Lewis could play both corner and safety and I am excited about Frank Summers.

Best pick: Kraig Urbik- We needed to get better along the offensive line and he might be the piece we needed. He will pave holes for Parker and Mendenhall and will try and help keep Ben upright. The best rookie to contribute early.

Worst pick: RaíShon ďSonnyĒ Harris- I believe there were better players available than him, so I doubt he makes the team.

Sleeper pick: AQ Shipley- My Penn State homerism comes back, but I think he has a legit shot at starting in this league. You canít measure and take away his heart, and he has a lot of it.


San Diego Chargers: C

Outside of English, I am not a fan of this draft. They needed defensive line help, along with running back, and seemed not to focus on that area.

Best pick: Larry English- Will be the passrusher that the Chargers lacked last season. Could make Phillips expendable.

Worst pick: Kevin Ellison: He is too slow for safety, and too small for linebacker in a 34. What he does have going for him is his hitting ability.

Sleeper pick: Gartrell Johnson- I am a fan of his. He runs very, very hard. He could be a good change of pace back in San Diego.


San Francisco 49ers: C+

The draft is solid because of Crabtree, but I am not a huge fan of it. Crabtree will team with Morgan for a solid receiving duo, Coffee will be a nice back with Gore, and McKillop could start, but what the Niners didnít do is get an offensive lineman that they needed.

Best pick: Michael Crabtree- Who knew he would be on the board at 10? I didnít. He is going to be a huge player for the Niners and could potentially be the rookie of the year.

Worst pick: Ricky Jean-Francois- Shouldíve stayed in school for another season. Very raw and I donít think fits in a 34 defense.

Sleeper pick: Nate Davis- I really think he could start in the league, especially for a team like the Niners.


Seattle Seahawks: B

Getting Curry, Unger, and a first rounder next year is a great draft IMO. Butler and Greene could develop into solid players for the Seahawks down the road.

Best pick: Aaron Curry- Could be what Julian Peterson could be. I really think he will be the leader of the defense soon.

Worst pick: Cameron Morrah- He isnít a great blocker and only a receiver. I donít think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Mike Teel- I believe with his strong arm and smarts he can be the starter when Hasselbeck leaves.


St. Louis Rams: B

They have three starters from day 1 during the draft in Smith, Laurinaitis, and Fletcher. Scott could start down the road and Null seems to be a developmental guy.

Best pick: Jason Smith- They have their new Orlando Pace.

Worst pick: Chris Ogbonnaya- I am not as high on him as others.

Sleeper pick: Brooks Foster- I think he has potential to start for the Rams down the road.


Tampa Bay Bucs: C+

Freeman was a nice pick for them, Miller and Moore could start sooner than later, and I love Stroughter.

Best pick: Josh Freeman- They didnít have a franchise quarterback on their roster. He will need some time to develop but his cannon and potential is intriguing.

Worst pick: E.J. Biggers- He isnít very fast or big. I donít think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Xavier Fulton- I think he could be a very solid swing tackle and spot starter for the Bucs.


Tennessee Titans: B-

Britt finally gives the Titans a number one receiver. Marks could help fill in the void left of Haynesworth. Cook could be the starter once Scaife leaves. I think McRath could be a starter in the league.

Best pick: Kenny Britt- Finally the Titans land a number 1 receiver. He will be a huge help to the dynamic running game for the Titans.

Worst pick: Javon Ringer: I think he has too much wear and tear on his body. He isnít big or fast and the Titans have a lot of backs on the roster already.

Sleeper pick: Jason McCourty- He could be a solid player or starter for the Titans. Fisher loves these type of corners who are fast and have great cover skills.


Washington Redskins: B

I am a pretty big fan of Orakpo, but he might be the Vernon Gholston of this class. Barnes wouldíve been a high first day pick if he wasnít injured, but I believe he will start. Marko Mitchell is a developmental prospect and I think he could get some passes thrown at him this season.

Best pick: Brian Orakpo: Fills a need and could thrive being next to Haynesworth.

Worst pick: Eddie Williams: I do not think he is better than Sellers or Cooley. Cut in training camp IMO.

Sleeper pick: Marko Mitchell: Although early, Kelly and Thomas havenít shown much. I think he could come in and compete for a roster spot and do well in Washington.

fenikz
04-29-2009, 07:37 PM
Hines you are clearly out of touch with the Cardinals, Rashad Johnson is perfect for us, we use a lot of 3 safety sets in the nickle package moving Rolle to NB, Johnson is actually one of my favorite picks considered to go in the 2nd by most draft experts

abaddon41_80
04-29-2009, 07:37 PM
How is a late 7th round compensatory selection a bad pick?

scottyboy
04-29-2009, 07:38 PM
Rutgers sleepers for the win!

Hines
04-29-2009, 07:41 PM
Hines you are clearly out of touch with the Cardinals, Rashad Johnson is perfect for us, we use a lot of 3 safety sets in the nickle package moving Rolle to NB, Johnson is actually one of my favorite picks considered to go in the 2nd by most draft experts

I did not know that, but I dont know where he would fit in if you are looking for him to start. I love Johnson and was pissed you took them.


How is a late 7th round compensatory selection a bad pick?

For what team?

fenikz
04-29-2009, 07:43 PM
I did not know that, but I dont know where he would fit in if you are looking for him to start. I love Johnson and was pissed you took them.

Well Superbowl teams don't generally take people in the 3rd round to start, he could down the road take over Rolle if his asking price becomes too high, plus he is a amazing special teamer which was a big focus for Whis and Co in this draft


but seriously how are you going to give AZ and Pitt the same draft grade

abaddon41_80
04-29-2009, 07:45 PM
For what team?

The 49ers. If you think that RJF was their worst pick, and as I said he was a late 7th round compensatory pick, then that shows how well the 49ers did.

wicket
04-29-2009, 07:45 PM
I agree with the point you give the saints, the best pick and the sleeper pick but the worst pick has to be morstead by a mile, surely we could use a running back but a complementary short yardage runner (that is all we need) was something that we could pick up in the udfa pool as well. it would be nice but it is far from vital. i would have preffered to pick one up but it wasnt vital by any means. pierre thomas is a good starter and compliment to bush but we could use a guy for those two yard gains. picking a punter in the fifth when we have a punter who performed well at the end of the season is just a pick that is inexcusable though.

Cigaro
04-29-2009, 07:47 PM
You got the Panthers' grade wrong. Check the sig.

Hines
04-29-2009, 07:49 PM
Well Superbowl teams don't generally take people in the 3rd round to start, he could down the road take over Rolle if his asking price becomes too high, plus he is a amazing special teamer which was a big focus for Whis and Co in this draft


but seriously how are you going to give AZ and Pitt the same draft grade

I think both did extremely well in the draft.


The 49ers. If you think that RJF was their worst pick, and as I said he was a late 7th round compensatory pick, then that shows how well the 49ers did.

I think they did well. My beef with RJF is that he will need a lot of work and I dont know if he has the desire to. I can see him out of the league in a few years personally.

Jensen
04-29-2009, 07:51 PM
Rashad Johnson was one of the Cardinals best picks. Rolle's future with the team is uncertain and he could possibly be a cap casualty next year. Not to mention the Cards are running more nickel packages this year giving Johnson more playing time most likely.

abaddon41_80
04-29-2009, 07:54 PM
I think they did well. My beef with RJF is that he will need a lot of work and I dont know if he has the desire to. I can see him out of the league in a few years personally.

So what if he is out of the league in a few years or doesn't even make the team. He was picked 244th overall. If he does well and plays up to his potential then the 49ers got a steal and if he doesn't oh well. A lot of 7th round picks don't make a team. It is impossible to call any 7th round pick a bad pick.

quincyyyyy
04-29-2009, 08:00 PM
Dallas Cowboys: D

This draft was a head scratcher to me. They had 12 picks, but manage to get no one really exciting. I think Jason Williams will end up starting, but other than that, I am not too thrilled with this draft. Mike Mickens could be a starter for the Boys as well. I don’t see a lot of kids from this class making the team.

Best pick: Jason Williams- I think he is Lawrence Timmons like, very athletic and explosive. I think he will be a starter in the coming years.

Worst pick- David Buehler- They have Nick Folk who is capable of being All Pro and select a kicker? Puzzles me.

Sleeper pick: Mike Mickens- I think he has the tools to start in this league and was a steal in the seventh for the Cowboys.



Um... no. Nick Folk has excellent accuracy (91% last season), but his kick offs are miserable. Not one touch back all damn year. That's awful. Buehler has a cannon for a leg, plus he runs the 40 under 4.6 and benches 25 times. So not only will Buehler be kicking off for us, but he'll be cover punts as well. So he'll have multiple duties besides kicking off.

Also, I can promise you that at least 75% will make the team. While all our starters are set for week one, we have issues with depth, and Wade Phillips likes to rotate players on the defense.

PACKmanN
04-29-2009, 08:02 PM
how the heck does the Packers get a B?

Hines
04-29-2009, 08:09 PM
If you read the first sentence, I said that they grades probably suck and they are my opinion.

RJS113
04-29-2009, 08:15 PM
Tampa Bay Bucs: C+

Freeman was a nice pick for them, Miller and Moore could start sooner than later, and I love Stroughter.

Best pick: Josh Freeman- They didnít have a franchise quarterback on their roster. He will need some time to develop but his cannon and potential is intriguing.

Worst pick: E.J. Biggers- He isnít very fast or big. I donít think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Xavier Fulton- I think he could be a very solid swing tackle and spot starter for the Bucs.


Ok, so let me make sure I have this right?

Freeman: "Best pick" "Nice pick"
Miller: "Could start sooner than later"
Moore: "Could start sooner than later"
Fulton: "Sleeper" "Could be very solid swing tacke and spot starter"
Biggers: "Worst pick" "Isn't fast"
Stroughter: You "love" him

So it looks like you are saying every pick was good except for Biggers (a 7th rounder)? And yet that only gets a C+?

And btw, Biggers runs a 4.3.

PossibleCabbage
04-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Jarius Wynn wasn't actually a ridiculous draft pick, and he projects to 5-technique in the 3-4 defense. Like most of the non-elite prospects for 5-technique DE, he's a little light but he has some frame to put out and with a season or two in the weight room, he'll bulk up to where he needs to be. He's a lot like Cullen Jenkins in that way. He doesn't have the prototypical height you look for in a 5-technique DE (he's 6-2 1/2) but generally you want those guys to be tall so they have long arms to disengage from blockers. With 33 3/4 inch arms (plus big hands), Wynn will do fine at 5-technique and the best thing in the scouting report on him was his hand technique.

For comparison, Luis Castillo has 32 7/8 inch arms, Chris Canty has 33 3/4 inch arms, and Tyson Jackson has 32 7/8 inch arms so Wynn definitely has long enough arms to play 5-technique. The question is how well he can carry the weight he is going to have to put on. But generally when it comes to later round DE prospects you want to pick the guys who need to get in the weight room a little but otherwise have the measurables you want, than to pick the guys who already have the weight you need and are a little slug-like.

Probably the weakest pick in an overall solid Packers draft, but he does project to DE. He's going to spend a year or more on the practice squad, but that's what sixth round picks are for.

BeerBaron
04-29-2009, 08:24 PM
Chicago Bears: B

Despite not having a first day pick, they had a solid draft. The acquisition of Cutler gives them a franchise quarterback that they have lacked for the past few years. Gilbert, although raw, could contribute right away in passing downs and could start down the road. Iglesias could contend for some playing time, Moore is a solid returner and has good ball skills, but small. I think Henry Melton is underrated and could fight for a starting job soon. Marcus Freeman is a steal and could end up starting in the next few years.

Best pick: Marcus Freeman- I personally believe he is a little better than Laurinatis. I think he starts soon.

Worst pick: Al Afalava- Although he would provide good depth and special teams ability, I donít think he will make the team.

Sleeper pick: Derek Kinder- I really am high on Kinder. I was mad when the Bears selected him because I wanted him as a UDFA for the Steelers. I think he could be a solid receiver for the Bears.


From the sounds of things, you like everything but the Afalava pick....it seems like we got about the best draft we could have had without a first rounder and with the way things fell. Why no A? One fifth round pick gonna turn your off?

I've noticed it around a lot too....it was really hard to figure out how to do better than we did given what we were working with. It just seems like you can't earn an A without a first rounder by most people's standards.

derza222
04-29-2009, 08:49 PM
Nice short and to the point Jets writeup.

For what it's worth, Slauson was recruited to play at Nebraska by Bill Callahan who now handles the OL and run game for the Jets. We needed depth on the OL, particularly at guard, and Callahan put in a good word. Slauson should at least fit the system and provide good depth, maybe we gets lucky and he ends up being a long term starter. But he's a versatile guy who Callahan is familiar with.

Funny, he actually used to have a speech impediment and started playing football so he could hit the dudes that made fun of him at school. So almost a real life Waterboy.

PoopSandwich
04-29-2009, 08:54 PM
I knew you we're gonna give the Browns a bad grade, I don't get why everyone is ripping on the trade so much. The Browns were not high on Crabtree's ego and did not feel like paying a receiver about 30 million in guarantees.

Mangini is high on Coleman and Elam, and we got a starting center which we needed very badly in a division with Ngata and Hampton.

I would give the Browns draft a B, we stocked up on picks and got 2 good players, Elam will start for sure, and Coleman will be used a bunch in our defensive line rotation.

I do agree with you on the Robiskie pick, I am extremely excited about that.

Michigan
04-29-2009, 08:56 PM
Detroit Lions: C+

I like their draft for the most part. Passing on Oher for Pettigrew might haunt them in the end, but I guess they feel confident in Pettigrew and Jeff Backus. Stafford wonít get pressed into starter duty early with Culpepper being there. Delmas was a solid pick and will be the starting FS.



Huh?

Props for the write up though.

TitanHope
04-29-2009, 09:08 PM
Interesting stuff on the Titans. Good stuff HWjr. I have hopes that Ringer becomes the 3rd RB on the roster. He'll battle Chris Henry for that slot.

dunagan15
04-29-2009, 09:09 PM
Ward, my only real question is the grade for the Panthers. You gave them a B+ and yet they did not have a first round pick, and the first pick they did make they trade a 2010 1st rounder for #43!!!

That is nuts, sure they got a solid player in Brown but do they really think he is better than the DE class coming out next year?? No way.

Cigaro
04-29-2009, 09:12 PM
Ward, my only real question is the grade for the Panthers. You gave them a B+ and yet they did not have a first round pick, and the first pick they did make they trade a 2010 1st rounder for #43!!!

That is nuts, sure they got a solid player in Brown but do they really think he is better than the DE class coming out next year?? No way.

You're probably saying that more because you're an Atlanta fan, but you're completely right. I could understand maybe if we had traded Peppers, but he's going to play here at least for one more year. We could've and should've waited it out for a better prospect.

quincyyyyy
04-29-2009, 09:18 PM
I knew you we're gonna give the Browns a bad grade, I don't get why everyone is ripping on the trade so much. The Browns were not high on Crabtree's ego and did not feel like paying a receiver about 30 million in guarantees.

Mangini is high on Coleman and Elam, and we got a starting center which we needed very badly in a division with Ngata and Hampton.

I would give the Browns draft a B, we stocked up on picks and got 2 good players, Elam will start for sure, and Coleman will be used a bunch in our defensive line rotation.

I do agree with you on the Robiskie pick, I am extremely excited about that.
That would not be Kenyon Coleman and Abe Elam. Both former Cowboys, I knew we should have cut bad Roy Williams long ago and kept Elam. Oh well, we have Sensebaugh now.

marshallb
04-29-2009, 09:21 PM
I agree on the Vikings grade and explanation.

TheBuffaloBills
04-29-2009, 09:47 PM
Good job, but isn't having 4 opening day starters, really good? Nic Harris will play LOLB for us and fits in well with our Tampa 2 defense we run. He is the perfect size at 6'3 234 to be our coverage LB. He too could very well be another opening day starter. That sounds better than a B- draft.

kwilk103
04-29-2009, 10:06 PM
just so you know, the dolphins selected pat white as a qb, and he will compete for the starting spot (according to gm jeff ireland)

BeerBaron
04-29-2009, 10:25 PM
just so you know, the dolphins selected pat white as a qb, and he will compete for the starting spot (according to gm jeff ireland)

If anything, I'd give them a lower grade taking two straight potential future starting QB's in the 2nd round in a row.....