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devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
04-30-2009, 06:23 PM
I am going to be putting together a compilation thread of all the FBS and FCS conferences of quarterbacks and running backs. I have only taken 1 QB and 1 RB from each school as of now. For instance I have not rated Javarris James or Greg Little in my rankings, but plan to add them after other give some input and advice. I would love some feedback and criticism. These rankings are to reflect there potential as an NFL prospect regardless of class.

ACC QB Rankings
1. Thaddeus Lewis, Duke, Senior, 6'2/200
2. Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech, Junior, Junior, 6'1/216
3. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Junior, 6'2/217
4. T.J. Yates, North Carolina, Junior, 6'3/210
5. Dominique Davis, Boston College, R-Sophomore, 6'4/198
6. Willy Korn, Clemson, R-Sophomore, 6'2/220
7. Jacory Harris, Miami, Sophomore, 6'4/190
8. Russell Wilson, North Carolina State, R-Sophomore, 5'11/208
9. Riley Skinner, Wake Forest, Senior, 6'1/205
10. Josh Nesbitt, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'1/214
11. Chris Turner, Maryland, Senior, 6'4/220
12. Marc Verica, Virginia, Junior, 6'3/206

ACC RB Rankings
1. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'0/235
2. C.J. Spiller, Clemson, Senior, 5'11/195
3. Graig Cooper, Miami, Junior, 6'0/202
4. Da'Rel Scott, Maryland, Junior, 5'10/200
5. Darren Evans, Virginia Tech, R-Sophomore, 6'0/213
6. Mikell Simpson, Virginia, Senior, 6'1/200
7. Jermaine Thomas, Florida State, Junior, 6'1/190
8. Montell Harris, Boston College, Sophomore, 5'10/192
9. Shaun Draughn, North Carolina, Junior, 6'0/205
10. Jay Hollingsworth, Duke, Sophomore, 5'11/185
11. Jamelle Eugene, North Carolina State, Senior, 5'10/195
12. Brandon Pendergrass, Wake Forest, R-Sophomore, 5'9/200

Bigburt63
04-30-2009, 06:34 PM
I can't believe Davis is the 4th QB. I like him more than most, but I still think he is very inconsistent

toonsterwu
04-30-2009, 06:38 PM
Virginia is wide open right now. Jameel Sewell is back from his suspension, and Vic Hall is also getting reps. My gut feeling is that Vic Hall will have to be heads and tails better to win the job outright, otherwise it'll be Sewell or Verica, with a dash of Hall on certain plays.

CashmoneyDrew
04-30-2009, 06:40 PM
Isn't Darren Evans a true sophomore?

Don Vito
04-30-2009, 06:45 PM
Dominique Davis is very talented, but I wouldn't have him ranked close to that high right now. He looked very bad at the end of last season, he needs to develop a lot.

Brent
04-30-2009, 06:49 PM
2. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Junior, 6'2/217
3. Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech, Junior, Junior, 6'1/216
I'm waiting for the VaTech homers to come and say something about this.

fenikz
04-30-2009, 07:42 PM
How can you leave off Javaris James, I'd take him over more than half the backs in the ACC

opps, just read the top

BuddyCHRIST
04-30-2009, 08:01 PM
Ponder probably doesn't deserve to be that high yet, I like him alot but he was inconsistent last year and needs to improve as a passer quite a bit. Yates has some potential and really was playing well two years ago and last year before he got injured.

etk
04-30-2009, 08:27 PM
I am going to be putting together a compilation thread of all the FBS and FCS conferences of quarterbacks and running backs. I have only taken 1 QB and 1 RB from each school as of now. For instance I have not rated Javarris James or Greg Little in my rankings, but plan to add them after other give some input and advice. I would love some feedback and criticism. These rankings are to reflect there potential as an NFL prospect regardless of class.

ACC QB Rankings
1. Thaddeus Lewis, Duke, Senior, 6'2/200
2. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Junior, 6'2/217
3. Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech, Junior, Junior, 6'1/216
4. Dominique Davis, Boston College, R-Sophomore, 6'4/198
5. Jacory Harris, Miami, Sophomore, 6'4/190
6. Riley Skinner, Wake Forest, Senior, 6'1/205
7. Josh Nesbitt, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'1/214
8. T.J. Yates, North Carolina, Junior, 6'3/210
9. Chris Turner, Maryland, Senior, 6'4/220
10. Willy Korn, Clemson, R-Sophomore, 6'2/220
11. Russell Wilson, North Carolina State, Junior, 5'11/208
12. Marc Verica, Virginia, Junior, 6'3/206

ACC RB Rankings
1. C.J. Spiller, Clemson, Senior, 5'11/195
2. Graig Cooper, Miami, Junior, 6'0/202
3. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'0/235
4. Darren Evans, Virginia Tech, R-Sophomore, 6'0/213
5. Da'Rel Scott, Maryland, Junior, 5'10/200
6. Montell Harris, Boston College, Sophomore, 5'10/192
7. Mikell Simpson, Virginia, Senior, 6'1/200
8. Jermaine Thomas, Florida State, Junior, 6'1/190
9. Shaun Draughn, North Carolina, Junior, 6'0/205
10. Jay Hollingsworth, Duke, Sophomore, 5'11/185
11. Jamelle Eugene, North Carolina State, Senior, 5'10/195
12. Brandon Pendergrass, Wake Forest, R-Sophomore, 5'9/200

Much respect for the time and effort involved in making this list. Here's my 2 cents:

-Riley Skinner has absolutely no NFL potential. Yates and Korn need to move up quite a bit.
-Dwyer is a close #2 behind Spiller. Cooper's not even close to Dwyer. Evans needs to move way down (no NFL potential) while Simpson and Thomas need to move up.

JHG722
04-30-2009, 10:20 PM
Yeah, Dwyer should be #2.

vatech=accdomination
04-30-2009, 10:30 PM
I'm waiting for the VaTech homers to come and say something about this.

oomg tyrod should b #1, he has one2 accs champions games, like omg

In all honesty, im suprised he is that high

ncst8fan83
04-30-2009, 11:54 PM
Dude, you must hate some NC State. Russell Wilson getting disrespected like that after beasting the entire ACC last year is just pathetic. And if this is on NFL potential, and you have TJ Freakin' Yates ahead of Russell then you AND the NFL would have lost their collective ******* minds. Ridiculous.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-01-2009, 12:40 AM
Dude, you must hate some NC State. Russell Wilson getting disrespected like that after beasting the entire ACC last year is just pathetic. And if this is on NFL potential, and you have TJ Freakin' Yates ahead of Russell then you AND the NFL would have lost their collective ******* minds. Ridiculous.

No hate for NC State here man. I just think that Wilson's size will hold him back. I am guessing that the 5'11 he is listed at is a generous 5'11. I guess we will have to wait and see.

ncst8fan83
05-01-2009, 01:54 AM
No hate for NC State here man. I just think that Wilson's size will hold him back. I am guessing that the 5'11 he is listed at is a generous 5'11. I guess we will have to wait and see.

I'll give you that, but I assure you that any NFL team would take a 5'11" Russell Wilson over a 6'1" Josh Nesbitt. That guy couldn't throw his way out of a wet paper bag and he's suppose to be the 7th best qb in the acc? How? B/C he can run in a gimmick offense?

GhostDeini
05-01-2009, 02:14 AM
Javarris James has no burst whatsoever. He hasnt done anything since Coop got there.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-01-2009, 11:25 AM
I'll give you that, but I assure you that any NFL team would take a 5'11" Russell Wilson over a 6'1" Josh Nesbitt. That guy couldn't throw his way out of a wet paper bag and he's suppose to be the 7th best qb in the acc? How? B/C he can run in a gimmick offense?

I see your point, he should be closer to the bottom.

Menardo75
05-01-2009, 12:33 PM
I think Korn will be at the top of the list by years end.

ncst8fan83
05-01-2009, 01:00 PM
I think Korn will be at the top of the list by years end.


Kyle Parker has been outplaying him this spring, so I'll make a bet with you on that one.

djp
05-01-2009, 01:04 PM
Javarris James has no burst whatsoever. He hasnt done anything since Coop got there.

We saw how important JJ was to the team last year when he was injured and then provided a huge boost when he returned.

He's not perfect, but he's a big back with some shake and can do a little bit of everything.

I'd guess he'd be a 4th or 5th round pick right now assuming he stays healthy this year.

Now, there's just no way Nesbitt isn't last on this list.

vatech=accdomination
05-01-2009, 01:10 PM
Yeah, Nesbitt overthrows his receivers like it is his job.

nepg
05-01-2009, 01:30 PM
This doesn't seem like an NFL-potential thread... More of a College QB/RB ranking.

I like Davis a lot, but is he even the favorite to be BC's QB this year? He's got some stiff competition in Tuggle and some other incoming players. I do think he'll be a ton better, though. He wasn't expected to play at all in 2008. I think they thought Crane had a lot of the same ability that Matt Ryan had, but he just didn't work out that way.

I do think Haden belongs somewhere on the RB rankings even though he didn't show much last year. Dude has amazing potential as an all-purpose back.

vatech=accdomination
05-01-2009, 01:39 PM
I think the fact that Davis has starting experience in the ACC will win him the job.

BigJohn98
05-01-2009, 02:23 PM
Dwyer should be higher. Russell Wilson should be higher. Jacory Harris should be lower.

BamaFalcon59
05-01-2009, 02:33 PM
Pretty good lists.

I think Tyrod will be number one or two by the years end. The ACC QBs are not too hot, so it's manageable.

Don't listen to etk, Evans definitely has a NFL future. He isn't even the top pro prospect back on the team, though. Redshirt freshman RB Ryan Williams by all indications will be a superstar for us. And incoming freshman David Wilson is special as well.

neko4
05-01-2009, 05:18 PM
I think Korn will be at the top of the list by years end.
Agreed, unless the rest of Duke decides to show up and help Lewis.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-01-2009, 05:37 PM
I am going to be putting together a compilation thread of all the FBS and FCS conferences of quarterbacks and running backs. I have only taken 1 QB and 1 RB from each school as of now. For instance I have not rated Javarris James or Greg Little in my rankings, but plan to add them after other give some input and advice. I would love some feedback and criticism. These rankings are to reflect there potential as an NFL prospect regardless of class.

ACC QB Rankings
1. Thaddeus Lewis, Duke, Senior, 6'2/200
2. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Junior, 6'2/217
3. Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech, Junior, Junior, 6'1/216
4. Dominique Davis, Boston College, R-Sophomore, 6'4/198
5. Jacory Harris, Miami, Sophomore, 6'4/190
6. Riley Skinner, Wake Forest, Senior, 6'1/205
7. Josh Nesbitt, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'1/214
8. T.J. Yates, North Carolina, Junior, 6'3/210
9. Chris Turner, Maryland, Senior, 6'4/220
10. Willy Korn, Clemson, R-Sophomore, 6'2/220
11. Russell Wilson, North Carolina State, Junior, 5'11/208
12. Marc Verica, Virginia, Junior, 6'3/206

ACC RB Rankings
1. C.J. Spiller, Clemson, Senior, 5'11/195
2. Graig Cooper, Miami, Junior, 6'0/202
3. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'0/235
4. Darren Evans, Virginia Tech, R-Sophomore, 6'0/213
5. Da'Rel Scott, Maryland, Junior, 5'10/200
6. Montell Harris, Boston College, Sophomore, 5'10/192
7. Mikell Simpson, Virginia, Senior, 6'1/200
8. Jermaine Thomas, Florida State, Junior, 6'1/190
9. Shaun Draughn, North Carolina, Junior, 6'0/205
10. Jay Hollingsworth, Duke, Sophomore, 5'11/185
11. Jamelle Eugene, North Carolina State, Senior, 5'10/195
12. Brandon Pendergrass, Wake Forest, R-Sophomore, 5'9/200

Chris Turner shouldn't be on that list. Zero pro potential. Also Nesbitt probably doesn't have a shot either, and the fact he plays in Paul Johnson's option offense all but kills any draft chance. Riley Skinner I also don't think has the arm to play in the NFL. I know this is a pro potential list but being that as a freshman starter Russell Wilson was the best QB in the ACC last year, he has to be higher on that list. He has everything except for height which could really knock him down.

etk
05-01-2009, 10:49 PM
Don't listen to etk, Evans definitely has a NFL future.

Doing what exactly?

BamaFalcon59
05-02-2009, 09:06 AM
Doing what exactly?

Running the ball.

6'0" 220 pound runningbacks with great collegiate production at powerhouse schools don't not play in the NFL. Even though his production may hover around 1,000 yards, he is a future NFL guy. What round, I don't know. That depends on how he keeps carries away from Ryan Williams and David Wilson, how he times at the combine, and how many years he stays.

megansett56BC
05-02-2009, 12:45 PM
Davis could develop down the road into someone with a shot at the NFL, but as of now, he's nowhere near close. He's going to be BC's QB going into the season, but that's more based on the fact that all of our QBs were terrible in the spring game. His balls usually have tight spirals, but he doesn't seem to throw where he anticipates the receiver to be and winds up missing the target a lot.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-02-2009, 01:16 PM
I have updated the rankings to try and reflect the opinion of the posters who have replies.

Vox Populi
05-02-2009, 05:08 PM
Jonathan Dwyer should be number 1 as far as I'm concerned.

Race for the Heisman
05-02-2009, 07:45 PM
I am going to be putting together a compilation thread of all the FBS and FCS conferences of quarterbacks and running backs. I have only taken 1 QB and 1 RB from each school as of now. For instance I have not rated Javarris James or Greg Little in my rankings, but plan to add them after other give some input and advice. I would love some feedback and criticism. These rankings are to reflect there potential as an NFL prospect regardless of class.

ACC QB Rankings
1. Thaddeus Lewis, Duke, Senior, 6'2/200
2. Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech, Junior, Junior, 6'1/216
3. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Junior, 6'2/217
4. T.J. Yates, North Carolina, Junior, 6'3/210
5. Dominique Davis, Boston College, R-Sophomore, 6'4/198
6. Willy Korn, Clemson, R-Sophomore, 6'2/220
7. Jacory Harris, Miami, Sophomore, 6'4/190
8. Russell Wilson, North Carolina State, Junior, 5'11/208
9. Riley Skinner, Wake Forest, Senior, 6'1/205
10. Josh Nesbitt, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'1/214
11. Chris Turner, Maryland, Senior, 6'4/220
12. Marc Verica, Virginia, Junior, 6'3/206

ACC RB Rankings
1. C.J. Spiller, Clemson, Senior, 5'11/195
2. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'0/235
3. Graig Cooper, Miami, Junior, 6'0/202
4. Darren Evans, Virginia Tech, R-Sophomore, 6'0/213
5. Mikell Simpson, Virginia, Senior, 6'1/200
6. Jermaine Thomas, Florida State, Junior, 6'1/190
7. Da'Rel Scott, Maryland, Junior, 5'10/200
8. Montell Harris, Boston College, Sophomore, 5'10/192
9. Shaun Draughn, North Carolina, Junior, 6'0/205
10. Jay Hollingsworth, Duke, Sophomore, 5'11/185
11. Jamelle Eugene, North Carolina State, Senior, 5'10/195
12. Brandon Pendergrass, Wake Forest, R-Sophomore, 5'9/200

I love the you have Thaddeus Lewis first. On the other hand, I'm not high on Tyrod Taylor or Christian Ponder. Tyrod still hasn't figured out the passing component as much as you would like. Ponder I was really high on for a while, then I cooled on him, now I'm not sure where I stand, but it definitely isn't that high. I haven't seen much Yates or Davis, and while I liked Korn coming out of high school, he hasn't shown anything either. I'm not a fan of Harris. I think he'll be a better college player than NFL player unless something changes or clicks in a big way. Russell Wilson I do like in terms of potential, even if he is shorter. I also like Riley Skinner. He won't go high, but he's someone I could see succeeding in a big way as a developmental guy a la Matt Hasselbeck, for example.

Running backs. Dwyer is my numero uno. Jonathan Stewart-esque. I sort of like Graig Cooper, but I am not sipping the Kool-Aid on Spiller. Definition of a weapon player, but so much more dangerous than a guy like Harvin. Reggie Bush without vision/awareness. I also like Da'Rel Scott (reminds me of Brian Westbrook), but I haven't seen too many of the others except Darren Evans, who I don't see as anything special. Doesn't have a gear past second and most likely a short yardage back or perhaps a two down back in the league.

Matthew Jones
05-02-2009, 11:03 PM
Looks pretty good. I approve for the most part.

etk
05-03-2009, 02:41 PM
CJ Spiller is nothing like Reggie Bush. He's a downhill runner that's explosive and has some power. Reggie Bush is a ballerina. Just because they both can hit the home run doesn't mean they're similar runners.

If anything Cooper is Reggie Bush without vision.

Race for the Heisman
05-03-2009, 04:30 PM
CJ Spiller is nothing like Reggie Bush. He's a downhill runner that's explosive and has some power. Reggie Bush is a ballerina. Just because they both can hit the home run doesn't mean they're similar runners.

If anything Cooper is Reggie Bush without vision.

Spiller's got a Barry Sanders complex, the same as Bush (all or nothing). That's what I was trying to get at, but I guess it didn't come out like that.

Cigaro
05-03-2009, 04:46 PM
Much respect for the time and effort involved in making this list. Here's my 2 cents:

-Riley Skinner has absolutely no NFL potential. Yates and Korn need to move up quite a bit.
-Dwyer is a close #2 behind Spiller. Cooper's not even close to Dwyer. Evans needs to move way down (no NFL potential) while Simpson and Thomas need to move up.

Why? There is a very good chance he doesn't even start for Clemson this year. Kyle Parker had a very impressive spring, all while playing baseball. His arm is also stronger and than Korn's.

CJ Spiller is nothing like Reggie Bush. He's a downhill runner that's explosive and has some power.

I hope to God you aren't serious. C.J. Spiller is the exact opposite of a downhill runner. His biggest knock the whole time he's been at Clemson is the fact he dances around too much and never just hits the hole. He's always looking to make a big play even if it isn't there. In 2006, he had great blockers and was left in a lot of isolated situations where he could put his athleticism and change of direction skills to use. In 2007 and 2008 the blocking wasn't nearly as great, and the isolation situations occurred much less frequently. Instead of just hitting a hole and then putting his head down, he was trying to out dance multiple defenders in a short space. He is very, very much a Reggie Bush type player.

etk
05-04-2009, 07:45 AM
Why? There is a very good chance he doesn't even start for Clemson this year. Kyle Parker had a very impressive spring, all while playing baseball. His arm is also stronger and than Korn's.



I hope to God you aren't serious. C.J. Spiller is the exact opposite of a downhill runner. His biggest knock the whole time he's been at Clemson is the fact he dances around too much and never just hits the hole. He's always looking to make a big play even if it isn't there. In 2006, he had great blockers and was left in a lot of isolated situations where he could put his athleticism and change of direction skills to use. In 2007 and 2008 the blocking wasn't nearly as great, and the isolation situations occurred much less frequently. Instead of just hitting a hole and then putting his head down, he was trying to out dance multiple defenders in a short space. He is very, very much a Reggie Bush type player.

Korn has NFL potential at least. Chris Turner, Josh Nesbitt, Jacory Harris & Riley Skinner don't project as well.

I guess you can call me lucky because in the games I've seen Spiller has been 1-cut and go. Same with his kick returns. But I'll take your word for it since you've probably seen more games.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-04-2009, 12:10 PM
Da'Rel Scott is your guy if you are talking about a downhill runner with track speed.

BigBanger
05-04-2009, 03:02 PM
4. T.J. Yates, North Carolina, Junior, 6'3/210
Remember the name. Kid can ball.

ncst8fan83
05-04-2009, 03:25 PM
Remember the name. Kid can ball.

LMAO!!! Yes, as long as it doesn't involve frisbee's, he's just great.

Ozzy
05-04-2009, 03:51 PM
ACC QB Rankings
1. Thaddeus Lewis, Duke, Senior, 6'2/200
2. Tyrod Taylor, Virginia Tech, Junior, Junior, 6'1/216
3. Christian Ponder, Florida State, Junior, 6'2/217
4. T.J. Yates, North Carolina, Junior, 6'3/210
5. Dominique Davis, Boston College, R-Sophomore, 6'4/198
6. Willy Korn, Clemson, R-Sophomore, 6'2/220
7. Jacory Harris, Miami, Sophomore, 6'4/190
8. Russell Wilson, North Carolina State, Junior, 5'11/208
9. Riley Skinner, Wake Forest, Senior, 6'1/205
10. Josh Nesbitt, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'1/214
11. Chris Turner, Maryland, Senior, 6'4/220
12. Marc Verica, Virginia, Junior, 6'3/206

ACC RB Rankings
1. C.J. Spiller, Clemson, Senior, 5'11/195
2. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech, Junior, 6'0/235
3. Graig Cooper, Miami, Junior, 6'0/202
4. Darren Evans, Virginia Tech, R-Sophomore, 6'0/213
5. Mikell Simpson, Virginia, Senior, 6'1/200
6. Jermaine Thomas, Florida State, Junior, 6'1/190
7. Da'Rel Scott, Maryland, Junior, 5'10/200
8. Montell Harris, Boston College, Sophomore, 5'10/192
9. Shaun Draughn, North Carolina, Junior, 6'0/205
10. Jay Hollingsworth, Duke, Sophomore, 5'11/185
11. Jamelle Eugene, North Carolina State, Senior, 5'10/195
12. Brandon Pendergrass, Wake Forest, R-Sophomore, 5'9/200


Let us be honest here, almost all of these quarterbacks are trash in terms of NFL potential. Sure Ponder will make a team because he is tough and very smart but the kid is not that good, let us be honest here. Never seen Lewis play, will be interesting to see how he does. The young BC QB is interesting as well, and Korn should do fine at Clemson.

Spiller needs to really put up this year, he honestly has done very little over his career. Yes he is fast but he needs to be the man and carry that team to some wins, not just a few long touch down runs. I think Scott from Maryland should be a little higher, he is a damn talented back, could be one of the top 3 easy. I would have Draughn higher as well, he played wonderful last year. As for Little, I bet he stays playing WR, he sure has the skills from what he showed last year, he should not go back to RB, especially since they lost three guys to the NFL at the WR position.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-04-2009, 04:03 PM
As a UVA fan Mikell Simpson is not a better back than Scott even considering that Simpson is a senior and Scott a sophomore. Simpson is pretty fast and makes nice cuts but he isn't a power runner and he runs straight up. He'll definitely be a big threat on the collegiate level especially with Groh implementing his new no huddle option offense with Vic Hall at QB, but as a pro prospect I don't see Simpson as being anymore as a 3rd down back and kick returner in the pro's. I think Torrey Mack is the pro prospect of the future to look out for. Raynard Horne is also a guy to look out for. I pimped him greatly coming into college so I'm still waiting for Keith Payne to bust out.

etk
05-04-2009, 04:51 PM
Da'Rel Scott is your guy if you are talking about a downhill runner with track speed.

Maryland is the most boring team offensively. I watched 1 game last year and it was against VT, so I just watched VT's defense.

But I'll keep an eye on him this year.

I definitely agree with your assessment of Simpson. Nothing new there cuz I always agree with your assessment of UVA players.

TJ Yates isn't terrible. At least he can lay it out there for his talented receivers....gives them a chance. Can't say the same for Paulus/Sexton.

vatech=accdomination
05-04-2009, 04:53 PM
Yates is actually a pretty good QB, had he not broke his ankle I think he would have beat out Wilson for 1st team QB.

etk
05-04-2009, 04:58 PM
Yates is actually a pretty good QB, had he not broke his ankle I think he would have beat out Wilson for 1st team QB.

That's Daniel Evans you're talking about. I get 'em mixed up too (UNC/NCSt).

vatech=accdomination
05-04-2009, 05:00 PM
? TJ Yates had his ankle broken against VT, ahh ****, I was talking first team All ACC.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
05-04-2009, 05:00 PM
I'm waiting for the VaTech homers to come and say something about this.

I'm an FSU fan, and Ponder SUCKS. I'd stick him behind Russell Wilson, maybe behind Riley Skinner.

etk
05-04-2009, 05:01 PM
Daniel Evans was the starter last year for NC State and got beat out by Wilson. We both F'd up.

ncst8fan83
05-05-2009, 12:23 AM
Russell Wilson was the starter last year. Got knocked out of the South Carolina game so Daniel Evans/Harrison Beck started the next week. Russell was back for the Clemson game (where he threw his only interception of the year on a desperation pass right before halftime). Evans didn't start another game and Beck started against South Florida and was AWFUL. Evans played the 2nd half of the Rutgers game though after Russell messed up his knee.

DiG
05-05-2009, 07:15 AM
i think you have da'rell scott way too low here. at a minimum he should easily be ahead of thomas and simpson if not higher than that. The kid had 1130 yards and 8 tds as a sophomore with 5.4 yards per carry and runs a 4.4 flat. I fully expect close to a 1500 yard season with double digit tds this year as a junior.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-05-2009, 08:39 AM
i think you have da'rell scott way too low here. at a minimum he should easily be ahead of thomas and simpson if not higher than that. The kid had 1130 yards and 8 tds as a sophomore with 5.4 yards per carry and runs a 4.4 flat. I fully expect close to a 1500 yard season with double digit tds this year as a junior.

Although Meggett will get a lot of short yard carries and Morgan Green third downs. Damn without DHB, Oquendo, and Gronkowski, the fridge might not even throw the ball once this year even though I do like Torrey Smith and Ronnie Tyler at WR.

Oh and ETK here is a little highlight clip of Scott. Someone mentioned the Brian Westbrook comparison which is obviously premature but you can definitely see that potential dynamic. He's like CJ Spiller without the bouncing out. He is a one quick cut and hit the hole hard. BTW nice DHB catch from Scott at 2:30. A "Hands" catch.

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devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-06-2009, 01:20 PM
Updated the rankings again

Race for the Heisman
05-06-2009, 01:26 PM
By the way, Russell Wilson was a redshirt freshman last year will be a redshirt sophomore in this next season, not a junior as you have him listed as.

Hokie_Pokie08
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
Running the ball.

6'0" 220 pound runningbacks with great collegiate production at powerhouse schools don't not play in the NFL. Even though his production may hover around 1,000 yards, he is a future NFL guy. What round, I don't know. That depends on how he keeps carries away from Ryan Williams and David Wilson, how he times at the combine, and how many years he stays.

Don't you mean the opposite? His production will go down when Williams and Wilson get the bulk of the carries.

BamaFalcon59
05-12-2009, 01:41 PM
Don't you mean the opposite? His production will go down when Williams and Wilson get the bulk of the carries.

No, I meant what I said.

His production will hinge on if he can keep carries to himself and away from Ryan Williams and David Wilson.

SuperKevin
05-12-2009, 03:58 PM
The ACC QB class is so gross when Thaddeus Lewis is the best QB in the conference

SuperKevin
05-12-2009, 04:00 PM
I expect Anthony Allen to give Dwyer some serious competition now that he's eligible.

Hokie_Pokie08
05-13-2009, 12:26 AM
No, I meant what I said.

His production will hinge on if he can keep carries to himself and away from Ryan Williams and David Wilson.

I can tell you right now that his carries will go down. Williams is our best back and will get the bulk of the carries and Evans better hope that Wilson redshirts or he will be on the outside of the rotation as Wilson is a powerful inside runner with much more explosion than Evans.

ncst8fan83
05-13-2009, 08:58 AM
Why does everyone think Russell Wilson has NO chance at a spot on an NFL roster? Not saying he's franchise material but there are several quarterbacks in the league with less than ideal height/bulk measurables. Is there something about his actual game that kills his NFL chances?

BamaFalcon59
05-13-2009, 04:11 PM
I can tell you right now that his carries will go down. Williams is our best back and will get the bulk of the carries and Evans better hope that Wilson redshirts or he will be on the outside of the rotation as Wilson is a powerful inside runner with much more explosion than Evans.

I agree completely that his carries will go down, I'm just saying his production and draft status will hinge on how (not if) many carries he keeps away from the other, more talented two.

Don't say they are more talented on HokieHaven, though, that's a sin. Haha.

gpngc
05-13-2009, 06:02 PM
I personally don't think Dwyer is better than Spiller at all. And as far as pro potential, I think Spiller's prospect is pretty obvious. Get him in the mid-late first round and he'll immediately give you a RB1B spark a la Chris Johnson. He can catch and return kicks. Reggie Bush was drafted 2nd overall with the expectations to be a complete player at the RB position which is why most are down on him. Spiller will be drafted to be the 1B somewhere and he'll be absolutely perfect for it. Dwyer's not a bad player, but he's in a system that's extremely tailback-friendly. Spiller on the other hand plays in that weird "look-to-the-sidelines" offense with bad QBs.

And LOL @ the QB rankings. You can't even disagree with them because everyone on that list has a minimal chance to be an NFL QB.

BamaFalcon59
05-13-2009, 07:02 PM
I personally don't think Dwyer is better than Spiller at all. And as far as pro potential, I think Spiller's prospect is pretty obvious. Get him in the mid-late first round and he'll immediately give you a RB1B spark a la Chris Johnson. He can catch and return kicks. Reggie Bush was drafted 2nd overall with the expectations to be a complete player at the RB position which is why most are down on him. Spiller will be drafted to be the 1B somewhere and he'll be absolutely perfect for it. Dwyer's not a bad player, but he's in a system that's extremely tailback-friendly. Spiller on the other hand plays in that weird "look-to-the-sidelines" offense with bad QBs.

And LOL @ the QB rankings. You can't even disagree with them because everyone on that list has a minimal chance to be an NFL QB.

Then you haven't watched.

etk
05-13-2009, 07:14 PM
Why does everyone think Russell Wilson has NO chance at a spot on an NFL roster? Not saying he's franchise material but there are several quarterbacks in the league with less than ideal height/bulk measurables. Is there something about his actual game that kills his NFL chances?

Troy Smith won a Heisman, made the NC and throws a rocket. He's 6'0" and went in the 5th round I believe.

Russell Wilson has a lot to overcome based on height alone. He's definitely draftable but only as a late round project.

Hokie_Pokie08
05-13-2009, 11:59 PM
I agree completely that his carries will go down, I'm just saying his production and draft status will hinge on how (not if) many carries he keeps away from the other, more talented two.

Don't say they are more talented on HokieHaven, though, that's a sin. Haha.

I stick to TSL mostly. I can't wait for the start of the football season.

Race for the Heisman
05-15-2009, 04:04 PM
Troy Smith won a Heisman, made the NC and throws a rocket. He's 6'0" and went in the 5th round I believe.

Russell Wilson has a lot to overcome based on height alone. He's definitely draftable but only as a late round project.

Troy Smith also looks like he could be a serviceable starter in the league, so that works both ways.

ncst8fan83
05-15-2009, 04:54 PM
Pat White and Seneca Wallace are both on the small side. Drew Brees might be an inch taller than him. Short QB's don't have to have ZERO pro potential based solely on the fact that they're short...Russell has a great arm, has great intangibles and has great wheels too. He's no Vick and he's no Brees, so don't get me wrong, but I think he's a legit 3-5 round guy. He's certainly proven more than TJ "Frisbee King" Yates.

etk
05-15-2009, 05:49 PM
Troy Smith also looks like he could be a serviceable starter in the league, so that works both ways.

And Drew Brees is one the best QBs in the league, but pro scouts still grossly underestimate short QBs.

And Jeff Garcia had a couple solid years for Tampa playing in his late 30s, but pro scouts...