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D-Unit
05-01-2009, 01:21 PM
On your marks, get set, GO!

Staubach12
05-01-2009, 01:25 PM
Let me hype a guy real quick:

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Navy+v+Notre+Dame+YOnsS4YpbJil.jpg

Golden Tate. Chances are this guy won't come out this year, but it is a possibility. Played RB in high school but is now a WR. Only seen him play a few times, but has excellent speed and COD. Great athlete. Keep an eye on this guy. He contrasts a guy like Austin well.

Im_a_Romosexual
05-01-2009, 02:53 PM
F Wide reciever

ERIC BERRY! Hopefuly we aren't in position to draft him, only having to trade up to get him.

Some other guys I like are Arthur Jones DE Syracuse and Boo Robinson NT Wake Forest.

haven't read up on the 2010 draft, but those guys have stood out to me

leroyisgod
05-01-2009, 08:39 PM
Dear lord, I'm still trying to comprehend this years draft. I cannot even begin to think next year.

D-Unit
05-01-2009, 10:00 PM
No way I want to be picking high enough to draft Berry, but I'd gladly give up two firsts to add a difference maker in the secondary. I figure were drafting in the 20's, hopefully 32 (:D) and trade up into the 8-10 range.

I LOVE Berry he can do it all.
Not gonna happen though. Trust me, I LOVE Taylor Mays, but the fact is, he won't be a Cowboy. :(

Paul
05-01-2009, 10:04 PM
Will this be the year we finally address the NT position!? Doubt it .

Im_a_Romosexual
05-01-2009, 10:13 PM
I won't say ever, but I know it's extremely unlikely.

Good call on Carrington. I forgot about him, but remember hearing about him last year. If I remember correctly he had quite a few sacks and is a good athlete, kind of like a poor man's Carlos Dunlap

FearTheSpur
05-02-2009, 02:16 PM
I want Taylor Mays or Eric Berry and would be happy with any trade to move up and get one of them

Macarthur
05-02-2009, 07:30 PM
We may have gotten our safety this year with A. Smith & Hamlin.

LonghornsLegend
05-03-2009, 01:13 PM
Screw Berry or Mays :D



None the less, get ready for me to fire this bandwagon up for the next 360 days:


http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0407/ncf_g_thomas_576.jpg


Berry or Mays will be top 10 picks, so sign me up for Earl Thomas, I'll be bringing his name up all year so you guys make sure and keep an eye on him when the Longhorns suit it back up.


He's looked like another Michael Griffin from day one.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6EtTua4aft0/SMpsyWN1MPI/AAAAAAAAAeA/Mept1nxpcyA/s400/df+tackle.jpg


Thomas will be the 3rd safety off the board I believe in a safety class that could maybe fit 5 guys in the 1st and he's going to provide great value for somebody in the mid-late 1st.


Not sure if we safety or not, I'm starting to like the Cincy boys too, but if we go safety sign me up for Michael Griffin pt 2.


For those who haven't seen him, keep your eye on him when Texas plays next year...His range is incredible, he will come up and hit like a truck and has great field awareness.


It's a dog fight right now for the 3rd safety after the top 2 dogs, Thomas has a good shot at winning that battle.

UTPATS
05-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Screw Berry or Mays :D




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6EtTua4aft0/SMpsyWN1MPI/AAAAAAAAAeA/Mept1nxpcyA/s400/df+tackle.jpg


Thomas will be the 3rd safety off the board I believe in a safety class that could maybe fit 5 guys in the 1st and he's going to provide great value for somebody in the mid-late 1st.


Not sure if we safety or not, I'm starting to like the Cincy boys too, but if we go safety sign me up for Michael Griffin pt 2.


For those who haven't seen him, keep your eye on him when Texas plays next year...His range is incredible, he will come up and hit like a truck and has great field awareness.


It's a dog fight right now for the 3rd safety after the top 2 dogs, Thomas has a good shot at winning that battle.

I am a huge Earl Thomas fan, but he will need to have the same type junior year Michael Griffin had in order to elevate his stock.

He showed his youth this year. For example, he took poor angles to WRs most of the year, but another year of experience should help some of those things (ie. Tech game on Crabtree's game winning TD).

FinChase
05-04-2009, 02:53 PM
I am a huge Earl Thomas fan, but he will need to have the same type junior year Michael Griffin had in order to elevate his stock.

He showed his youth this year. For example, he took poor angles to WRs most of the year, but another year of experience should help some of those things (ie. Tech game on Crabtree's game winning TD).

I like Earl Thomas but won't he be a junior next year? Texas players rarely come out early.

LonghornsLegend
05-04-2009, 05:18 PM
I like Earl Thomas but won't he be a junior next year? Texas players rarely come out early.

RS Sophmore next year, and that used to be the trend but lately more and more guys have been going early when/if their stock is high...Only reason Kimble came back was because he was graded as a 2nd rounder, 1st round score from the DC and he said he was gone.


Earl should be a mid 1st rounder, he definately needs to improve but that's expected for a Freshman starter, he also had a great spring game and is starting to look like his range is getting even better.

D-Unit
05-04-2009, 05:25 PM
DeAngelo Smith, Michael Hamlin and Gerald Sensabaugh would really have to screw up royally or have career ending injuries for us to be looking at S in the early rounds next year.

I say stop the Safety fetish and get pumped about the guys playing in the trenches.

Burns336
05-04-2009, 07:02 PM
If Safety was the choice, I'd love to have Major Wright. He's got speed and range... Oh and he hits like a mother ******

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZnLEGJaiU

Check out his hit on new Cowboy WR Manuel Johnson.

I also like Morgan Burnett as a mid-late 2nd round guy right now, but he definitely has the potential to rise.

I'm real curious to watch Terrence Cody. Could he take a fall? Maybe he doesn't show anything special and is just a body? Maybe he falls to the 2nd?

Right now I'm considering my 3 top needs of 08 and 09 my same for '10.

DE/NT/LT

D-Unit
05-04-2009, 11:19 PM
If Safety was the choice, I'd love to have Major Wright. He's got speed and range... Oh and he hits like a mother ******

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOZnLEGJaiU

Check out his hit on new Cowboy WR Manuel Johnson.

I also like Morgan Burnett as a mid-late 2nd round guy right now, but he definitely has the potential to rise.

I'm real curious to watch Terrence Cody. Could he take a fall? Maybe he doesn't show anything special and is just a body? Maybe he falls to the 2nd?

Right now I'm considering my 3 top needs of 08 and 09 my same for '10.

DE/NT/LT
I like his name more than anything. lol. Has a nifty ring to it. Still Taylor Mays has my heart locked up.

DE/NT/LT... yup. Isn't it unfair that a team like tha Packers have their NT of the now and future already in their first year of transitioning to the 3-4?

Burns336
05-04-2009, 11:29 PM
I like his name more than anything. lol. Has a nifty ring to it. Still Taylor Mays has my heart locked up.

DE/NT/LT... yup. Isn't it unfair that a team like tha Packers have their NT of the now and future already in their first year of transitioning to the 3-4?

Yep and Cullen Jenkins should be a pretty good DE too. Their D-line has the potential to be better than ours in its first year.

They do need to get some new corners though.

D-Unit
05-04-2009, 11:31 PM
Yep and Cullen Jenkins should be a pretty good DE too. Their D-line has the potential to be better than ours in its first year.

They do need to get some new corners though.
Conversely, I think we are now superstacked in our secondary. We are at least 2 deep at every position. Wish we built the other way around.

Burns336
05-05-2009, 02:09 AM
Conversely, I think we are now superstacked in our secondary. We are at least 2 deep at every position. Wish we built the other way around.

So do I....

I'd rather have a stronger pass rush and run game with some JAGs back there.

D-Unit
05-05-2009, 04:16 AM
I have a feeling that we're going to need to address WR next season. We really will miss TO's production. He was such a damn beast for us. Totally went underappreciated, and the guys who are thinking we're better off without him, must be really strong believers in Roy... and I'm not quite there yet. TO was a playmaker.

Gonna miss this:

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How can people say he doesn't make catches across the middle of the field with a straight face? TO makes every kind of catch in the book.

All I know is that Roy has big shoes to fill.

Sigh... Brandon Tate would've helped... but hey, we got Robert Brewster! woopee. FML.

Macarthur
05-05-2009, 10:54 AM
Look, I'm not a TO hater, even though many of these threads I have been taking that position. And let me also say that I don't think RW will replace the TO of 2 or 3 years ago. I do think he will replace the TO of last year.

Go back and look at the video you showed. There are exactly 2 of those TD catches that were from last year!

And I stand behind my comment that TO doesn't come up big very much on 3rd & 6 in traffic. Look at virtually all those big plays above and almost every one of them, he got a free release and made a big play running free in the secondary.

What the video failed to show were the last 12 or 14 games when he was averaging 40+ yards a game and getting bullied off his routes by physical corners virtually all game.

D-Unit
05-05-2009, 12:18 PM
Look, I'm not a TO hater, even though many of these threads I have been taking that position. And let me also say that I don't think RW will replace the TO of 2 or 3 years ago. I do think he will replace the TO of last year.

Go back and look at the video you showed. There are exactly 2 of those TD catches that were from last year!

And I stand behind my comment that TO doesn't come up big very much on 3rd & 6 in traffic. Look at virtually all those big plays above and almost every one of them, he got a free release and made a big play running free in the secondary.

What the video failed to show were the last 12 or 14 games when he was averaging 40+ yards a game and getting bullied off his routes by physical corners virtually all game.
Is it good enough for Roy to be a 36 year old TO? Kids in his prime, he should be replacing TO in his prime. Let's be fair guys. You act like every single #1 WR in the league is good at getting off the line and TO has made plenty of 3rd down catches. I don't see how you justify anything by saying something that's not 100% true. Add in the fact that Romo stares down Witten on 3rd down whether it was good for the team or not...

Getting free in the secondary is common all of a sudden??? Yeah, he never broke free, he was just let free. TO was always let free right? Wow. lol.

Macarthur
05-05-2009, 12:23 PM
So how do you explain the fact that without the SF game last year, his last 12 games or so were quite poor. Is it some coinscidence that teams started pressuring him at the line and the only time they didn't was SF?

Again, that video is misleading because those highlights were not the TO we got last year; and I don't think that TO is there much anymore.

And you and I have agreed that we don't need an elite WR. RW doesn't have to be TO in his prime for us to be successful.

D-Unit
05-05-2009, 01:28 PM
So how do you explain the fact that without the SF game last year, his last 12 games or so were quite poor. Is it some coinscidence that teams started pressuring him at the line and the only time they didn't was SF?

Again, that video is misleading because those highlights were not the TO we got last year; and I don't think that TO is there much anymore.

And you and I have agreed that we don't need an elite WR. RW doesn't have to be TO in his prime for us to be successful.
Notice TO's decline was insync with the team decline? He can only do so much to ask for the ball. In the end, he's just gotta wait for the decision to be made for him whether he'll get passed to or not. Did he fail as far as dropped balls and not getting open goes? I didn't see it that way.

I've said we don't need an elite WR. But we do need TOUGH WRs. I'm not sure that Roy is exactly "tough". Hopefully, Hurd is what I hope he is. Some doubts there, but also some promise.

Just the way I think Jerry thinks.... he's going to want a WR if Roy alone doesn't get the job done.

pocketaces
05-05-2009, 02:01 PM
What we need more than anything is a happy Romo. If hes playing with a smile on his face we'll be alright.

D-Unit
05-05-2009, 03:15 PM
What we need more than anything is a happy Romo. If hes playing with a smile on his face we'll be alright.
If that's true, then our fate lies upon the shoulders... or should I say bossoms of one single individual.

http://gfx.download-by.net/screen/179/179913-sexy-jessica-simpson-screensaver.jpg

pocketaces
05-05-2009, 04:10 PM
If that's true, then our fate lies upon the shoulders... or should I say bossoms of one single individual.

http://gfx.download-by.net/screen/179/179913-sexy-jessica-simpson-screensaver.jpg

Makes me smile. :D

Macarthur
05-05-2009, 04:40 PM
Notice TO's decline was insync with the team decline? He can only do so much to ask for the ball. In the end, he's just gotta wait for the decision to be made for him whether he'll get passed to or not. Did he fail as far as dropped balls and not getting open goes? I didn't see it that way.

There may be some validity to that, but is it a chicken & egg. Did the offense decline and then TO or did TO begin his decline and the offense followed?


I've said we don't need an elite WR. But we do need TOUGH WRs. I'm not sure that Roy is exactly "tough". Hopefully, Hurd is what I hope he is. Some doubts there, but also some promise.

I agree.

Just the way I think Jerry thinks.... he's going to want a WR if Roy alone doesn't get the job done.

I think we probably grab a WR early next year, too.

Macarthur
05-05-2009, 04:41 PM
What we need more than anything is a happy Romo. If hes playing with a smile on his face we'll be alright.

You are 100% correct.

This league is about the QB position.

D-Unit
05-05-2009, 05:26 PM
You are 100% correct.

This league is about the QB position.
I could start a huge debate over this where I would disagree.

Just too many examples that state otherwise... From old times... Marino, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, etc etc... to new times... McNabb, Brees, Hasselbeck, Palmer, etc etc Even Favre as great as he is made out to be, only won 1 SB a very long time ago. Yet Pennington, Collins, Warner (who was all but washed up) lead huge turnarounds. Is it the QB or the supporting cast?

Matt Ryan gets a lot of credit that should've been given to Turner. Flacco gets a lot of credit, but that team never even had an average QB to begin with. Even with Dilfer they were champs. It's more a testiment of how bad the QB situation was than how good Flacco is.

My 2 cents.

We need a focused and motivated Romo. We need team execution.

crisco0710
05-05-2009, 10:27 PM
We need a Romo, who doesn't sit and tell the media he has had worse happen to him and acting as if it isn't a big deal after being blown out by the eagles.

D-Unit
05-05-2009, 11:27 PM
We need a Romo, who doesn't sit and tell the media he has had worse happen to him and acting as if it isn't a big deal after being blown out by the eagles.
Haha.. So true. Won't happen. It's just the way he thinks.

I'm glad we have Kitna and McGee. They'll push Romo to compete harder in practice than Brad and Brooks did.

LonghornsLegend
05-05-2009, 11:38 PM
It all starts up front and I think we all know that, forget TO and Romo for a minute, the O-line play dropped off tremendously in 2008, and when Kosier went down it went from bad to worst...I remember a few post game conferences where Romo was obviously pissed about lack of blocking, and for lack of better words called out Proctor and his many pathetic attempts.


Games like Cleveland to start last year, when we were just punishing anything that came at Tony(yea I know it was Cleveland), but if we keep him clean with time to go through progressions I don't see us losing that many games.


I put the priority this year on:

1) O-line play
2) Romo's play and progression
3) Jason Garrett


Outside of that I think were fine, argue back and forth about TO and Roy but Roy is good enough to win with with our weapons, so was TO, I don't care much for who was/is better...We couldn't beat the Ravens who were running around with Derrick Mason at 42 years old, one arm, and no deep speed to save his life as their #1 WR, no depth at the position what so ever, and they rarely even used Heap.


I love the focus on ST thus far, everyone should know that was a HUGE problem for us and lost at least 2 games for us last year, you can even go back to the Giants playoff game where they got a huge PR right before half and proceeded to score after.


Give Tony some time, he'll pick any defense apart in this league, put pressure on him and he's prone to make some mistakes...Hopefully, he learns when to eat it and take the loss, because you cannot be a franchise QB and continually turn the ball over at key points in the game.

Macarthur
05-06-2009, 11:30 AM
I could start a huge debate over this where I would disagree.

Just too many examples that state otherwise... From old times... Marino, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, etc etc... to new times... McNabb, Brees, Hasselbeck, Palmer, etc etc Even Favre as great as he is made out to be, only won 1 SB a very long time ago. Yet Pennington, Collins, Warner (who was all but washed up) lead huge turnarounds. Is it the QB or the supporting cast?

Matt Ryan gets a lot of credit that should've been given to Turner. Flacco gets a lot of credit, but that team never even had an average QB to begin with. Even with Dilfer they were champs. It's more a testiment of how bad the QB situation was than how good Flacco is.

My 2 cents.

We need a focused and motivated Romo. We need team execution.

What do you mean by disagree?

How can you possibly disagree that this league is about the QB position? If you don't have a good QB, you can forget it. Minn is a perfect example. They have all the pieces on both sides of the ball except for one thing....

Here are the starting QBs for the past 10+ years:

XXX - 1/28/96
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (29)
Neil O'Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers - Maryland (29)

XXXI - 1/26/97
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (27)
Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots - Washington State (24)

XXXII - 1/25/98
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (37)
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (28)

XXXIII - 1/31/99
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (38)
Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons - Washington (33)

XXXIV - 1/30/00
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (28)
Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans - Alcorn State (26)

XXXV - 1/28/01
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - Fresno State (28)
Kerry Collins, New York Giants - Penn State (28)

XXXVI - 2/3/02
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (24)
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (30)

XXXVII - 1/26/03
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Florida State (34)
Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders - Delaware (37)

XXXVIII - 2/1/04
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (26)
Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers - Louisiana-Lafayette (29)

XXXVIX - 2/6/05
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (27)
Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia - Syracuse (28)

XL - 2/5/06
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - Miami (OH) (23)
Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle - Boston College (30)

XLI - 2/4/07
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - Tennessee (30)
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears - Florida (26)


XLII - 2/3/08
Eli Manning, New York Giants - Ole Miss (27)
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (30)

XLIII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - Miami (OH)
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa

Most of these guys are considered great to very good QBs. A few are a notch below that at good/above avg...

And only 2 are considered avg to below avg - Grossman & Dilfer.

So are you arguing that it's not about the QB?

Of course you have to have a good cast around them. I'm not saying you can put Brady on a scrub team and instantly be a SB contender, but I think you get the jist of what I'm getting at.

D-Unit
05-06-2009, 01:50 PM
What do you mean by disagree?

How can you possibly disagree that this league is about the QB position? If you don't have a good QB, you can forget it. Minn is a perfect example. They have all the pieces on both sides of the ball except for one thing....

Here are the starting QBs for the past 10+ years:

XXX - 1/28/96
Troy Aikman, Dallas Cowboys - Oklahoma, UCLA (29)
Neil O'Donnell, Pittsburgh Steelers - Maryland (29)

XXXI - 1/26/97
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (27)
Drew Bledsoe, New England Patriots - Washington State (24)

XXXII - 1/25/98
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (37)
Brett Favre, Green Bay Packers - Southern Mississippi (28)

XXXIII - 1/31/99
John Elway, Denver Broncos - Stanford (38)
Chris Chandler, Atlanta Falcons - Washington (33)

XXXIV - 1/30/00
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (28)
Steve McNair, Tennessee Titans - Alcorn State (26)

XXXV - 1/28/01
Trent Dilfer, Baltimore Ravens - Fresno State (28)
Kerry Collins, New York Giants - Penn State (28)

XXXVI - 2/3/02
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (24)
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa (30)

XXXVII - 1/26/03
Brad Johnson, Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Florida State (34)
Rich Gannon, Oakland Raiders - Delaware (37)

XXXVIII - 2/1/04
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (26)
Jake Delhomme, Carolina Panthers - Louisiana-Lafayette (29)

XXXVIX - 2/6/05
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (27)
Donovan McNabb, Philadelphia - Syracuse (28)

XL - 2/5/06
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - Miami (OH) (23)
Matt Hasselbeck, Seattle - Boston College (30)

XLI - 2/4/07
Peyton Manning, Indianapolis Colts - Tennessee (30)
Rex Grossman, Chicago Bears - Florida (26)


XLII - 2/3/08
Eli Manning, New York Giants - Ole Miss (27)
Tom Brady, New England Patriots - Michigan (30)

XLIII
Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh Steelers - Miami (OH)
Kurt Warner, St. Louis Rams - Northern Iowa

Most of these guys are considered great to very good QBs. A few are a notch below that at good/above avg...

And only 2 are considered avg to below avg - Grossman & Dilfer.

So are you arguing that it's not about the QB?

Of course you have to have a good cast around them. I'm not saying you can put Brady on a scrub team and instantly be a SB contender, but I think you get the jist of what I'm getting at.
I'm not arguing that it's not about the QB. I'm arguing that it's not ONLY about the QB. The way you attacked this conversation you implied that this league was all about the QB position. Completely untrue. That's what I was arguing. A big piece? Sure. The main piece? Probably not even that. This league is not all about the QB.

I applaud the research. That's the right way to have a goood debate. But we all know Elway never won until Terrell Davis came along. He was about to end his career as a choke artist QB. Peyton never won until Indy's D finally stepped up. Aikman's team was stacked like a mother. If it was all about the QB, you'd think the best QB of our generation would have more than 1 SB ring. We know Big Ben was a bus driver QB when he got his first ring. Props to him on this 2nd one, he was a big key for them in that game, but his supporting cast was rock solid. Look at some of the names of the QBs you listed... Rex Grossman, Jake Delhomme, Trent Dilfer, Kerry Collins, Brad Johnson, Chris Chandler, Neil O'Donnell. That's a sad list. I must say... even as great as Tom Brady was. He's had one helluva OL. When that OL went crumbling down against the Giants, he was made human again.

I would say, most knowledgeable people you'd ask, they say, build up the trenches, start from there. There's a reason for that.

From the beginning of the offseason, I was saying, if we fix our OL, then we solve 90% of our problems. I know 90% is just a number out of thin air... more like a figure of speech that we could really benefit from solidifying our OL. Well, adding Robert Brewster didn't exactly answer my call. Of all the OL positions, OG was probably the one I felt safest in with Holland, Kosier and Davis. So once again, we go into another season with the worry that if Flo, Columbo or Gurode go down, we're going to be a complete mess. Maybe, just maybe Brewster will be a fit at RT. Then at least we're making progress.

But no... I still don't believe this is or ever was just a QB's league.

Macarthur
05-06-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm not arguing that it's not about the QB. I'm arguing that it's not ONLY about the QB. The way you attacked this conversation you implied that this league was all about the QB position. Completely untrue. That's what I was arguing. A big piece? Sure. The main piece? Probably not even that. This league is not all about the QB.

Logically, I'm not saying that you can line up Joe Montana all by himself and he will defeat the other 11 defenders.


I applaud the research. That's the right way to have a goood debate. But we all know Elway never won until Terrell Davis came along. He was about to end his career as a choke artist QB.

Elway was still going to me the HOF. And he did make to SBs. Winning SBs is a difficult argument because it's just one game (see, Trent Dilfer). Elway clearly made that team better and they were a perrenial playoff team.

Peyton never won until Indy's D finally stepped up. Aikman's team was stacked like a mother. If it was all about the QB, you'd think the best QB of our generation would have more than 1 SB ring.

Again, I don't think the argument should be just winning a SB. Peyton was very successful and his team was perrenial playoff team.

We know Big Ben was a bus driver QB when he got his first ring. Props to him on this 2nd one, he was a big key for them in that game, but his supporting cast was rock solid.

I think Ben has shown to be more than just a bus driver. And your right in that his first one was not stellar.


Look at some of the names of the QBs you listed... Rex Grossman, Jake Delhomme, Trent Dilfer, Kerry Collins, Brad Johnson, Chris Chandler, Neil O'Donnell. That's a sad list. I must say... even as great as Tom Brady was. He's had one helluva OL. When that OL went crumbling down against the Giants, he was made human again.

Well, first I disagree with you lumping guys like Chandler, Delhomme, Johnson, O'Donnell & Collins with Dilfer & Grossman.

Delhomme - Is an above average NFL QB.
Johnson - In his prime he an above average NFL QB.
Chandler - ditto
O'Donnell - ditto


I would say, most knowledgeable people you'd ask, they say, build up the trenches, start from there. There's a reason for that.

No doubt. I agree that your line is important.

From the beginning of the offseason, I was saying, if we fix our OL, then we solve 90% of our problems. I know 90% is just a number out of thin air... more like a figure of speech that we could really benefit from solidifying our OL. Well, adding Robert Brewster didn't exactly answer my call. Of all the OL positions, OG was probably the one I felt safest in with Holland, Kosier and Davis. So once again, we go into another season with the worry that if Flo, Columbo or Gurode go down, we're going to be a complete mess. Maybe, just maybe Brewster will be a fit at RT. Then at least we're making progress.

But no... I still don't believe this is or ever was just a QB's league.

I have serious doubts that there was a guy we could have brought in that would replace one of our starters day one. Our OL is what it is. And I think if LG is healthy this year, we will be back to the 07 form.

I never meant to imply that you can put trash around a great QB, but you can have a great team in all areas and history shows that you almost always have to have, at least, an average NFL QB to have success in the playoffs.

I think we are very strong at that position and we are quite solid throughout the team. I believe the success of this team will be determined by what's between their ears; not the depth chart (assuming no major injuries).

D-Unit
05-06-2009, 03:37 PM
Logically, I'm not saying that you can line up Joe Montana all by himself and he will defeat the other 11 defenders.




Elway was still going to me the HOF. And he did make to SBs. Winning SBs is a difficult argument because it's just one game (see, Trent Dilfer). Elway clearly made that team better and they were a perrenial playoff team.



Again, I don't think the argument should be just winning a SB. Peyton was very successful and his team was perrenial playoff team.



I think Ben has shown to be more than just a bus driver. And your right in that his first one was not stellar.




Well, first I disagree with you lumping guys like Chandler, Delhomme, Johnson, O'Donnell & Collins with Dilfer & Grossman.

Delhomme - Is an above average NFL QB.
Johnson - In his prime he an above average NFL QB.
Chandler - ditto
O'Donnell - ditto




No doubt. I agree that your line is important.



I have serious doubts that there was a guy we could have brought in that would replace one of our starters day one. Our OL is what it is. And I think if LG is healthy this year, we will be back to the 07 form.

I never meant to imply that you can put trash around a great QB, but you can have a great team in all areas and history shows that you almost always have to have, at least, an average NFL QB to have success in the playoffs.

I think we are very strong at that position and we are quite solid throughout the team. I believe the success of this team will be determined by what's between their ears; not the depth chart (assuming no major injuries).
Never said you implied a QB would go 1 vs 11. ...and that's not what I'm saying. Wrong direction. That's silly.

You initially said this league is all about QB play. In the end you said, you need to at least have an above average QB. So I think we are on the same page now. That this league is not just about your QB or how good your QB is.

D-Unit
05-06-2009, 03:43 PM
I have serious doubts that there was a guy we could have brought in that would replace one of our starters day one. Our OL is what it is. And I think if LG is healthy this year, we will be back to the 07 form.

Well, I'm not saying any of our current starters need to be replaced. There was no way to do it sitting at 51.

Our problem last year wasn't exactly with our starters. We had Kosier, he sucked, but he was serviceable. It was with our lack of depth.

Our lack of depth is still the problem. Eventually, we're going to have to address the age of Flozell. If we don't prep a guy now, we'll be spending money out of our ears to get one in FA or have to deal with excruciating growing pains. FA is the worst option for that position too, imo.

So once again our draft talk this year will be on the LT prospects. Probably will be so in 2011 as well. :/

Macarthur
05-07-2009, 09:26 AM
Well, I'm not saying any of our current starters need to be replaced. There was no way to do it sitting at 51.

Our problem last year wasn't exactly with our starters. We had Kosier, he sucked, but he was serviceable. It was with our lack of depth.

Our lack of depth is still the problem. Eventually, we're going to have to address the age of Flozell. If we don't prep a guy now, we'll be spending money out of our ears to get one in FA or have to deal with excruciating growing pains. FA is the worst option for that position too, imo.

So once again our draft talk this year will be on the LT prospects. Probably will be so in 2011 as well. :/

I agree with everything you said here except for Kosier.

I certainly don't think he's a probowler, but I think he's decent. I think the proof is how this line played with him and how they played without him.

They were all healthy in 07 and were a very strong unit. The one game they were a healthy unit last year was the GB game. It's not coinscidence that they had a great game and pushed GB all over the field.

But I agree with you on depth; I would think with Kosier, Holland and Brewster, we ought to be a bit better than last year.

FinChase
05-07-2009, 01:34 PM
I agree with everything you said here except for Kosier.

I certainly don't think he's a probowler, but I think he's decent. I think the proof is how this line played with him and how they played without him.

They were all healthy in 07 and were a very strong unit. The one game they were a healthy unit last year was the GB game. It's not coinscidence that they had a great game and pushed GB all over the field.

But I agree with you on depth; I would think with Kosier, Holland and Brewster, we ought to be a bit better than last year.

I agree about Kosier. He's always dismissed by this board, I assume because he had the audacity to replace Larry Allen, but he's no scrub.

Burns336
05-07-2009, 11:10 PM
come on guys. Kosier is a scrub. Just because we played good for one game with him means nothing.

If anything, it speaks to how bad GB's defense was last year.

Kosier needs to be replaced. He's consistently thrown out of the way. Now that Flozell is showing his age, it's only going to get worse.

Paul
05-07-2009, 11:13 PM
come on guys. Kosier is a scrub. Just because we played good for one game with him means nothing.

If anything, it speaks to how bad GB's defense was last year.

Kosier needs to be replaced. He's consistently thrown out of the way. Now that Flozell is showing his age, it's only going to get worse.

Well you can't totally dismiss it. I haven't been the biggest Kosier fan either for the past couple seasons, but it was pretty apparent there was a big drop off in play at that position when he went down. If he's anything he's stable.

Burns336
05-07-2009, 11:17 PM
Well you can't totally dismiss it. I haven't been the biggest Kosier fan either for the past couple seasons, but it was pretty apparent there was a big drop off in play at that position when he went down. If he's anything he's stable.

We'll let me get this straight....

We've all hated Kosier and complained about how bad he sucks, but now that we've realized he's better than Proctor (who sucks harder) Kosier is now a solid peg at LG?

He blows. Blame it on continuity or Proctor just being that much worse or Flo being one of the worst LT's in the league last year, but don't blame it on us missing Kosiers play.

LT and LG both need to be upgraded. I hope Brewster can take care of one of those positions.

Paul
05-07-2009, 11:44 PM
Well I'm not going to play the role of a Kosier apologist, because I'm certainly not. But I do believe he was a stable cog to the line in that 13-3 season, where our O-line play was great (aside form a certain playoff game). I truly believe decent would be a fair assessment of his contributions, but good would be pushing it.

And as I said earlier, I am in no way opposed to drafting/signing a guy to replace him. I haven't made a mock the past couple years where we didn't take a OG. I just think 'scrub' is a bit much when evaluating his value to this team.

Burns336
05-07-2009, 11:51 PM
I'd say he easily the worst starter on offense and only Spears is a worse overall starter than him.

D-Unit
05-07-2009, 11:53 PM
Holland makes me happy. Brewster makes me scratch my head. Predictions on where he'll end up?

Paul
05-08-2009, 12:00 AM
Holland played half a game and got injured. Not to mention he's built like a marshmallow. But he's the guy I'm most anxious to see in camp, if he made any progress in the off season.

D-Unit
05-08-2009, 04:34 AM
Holland played half a game and got injured. Not to mention he's built like a marshmallow. But he's the guy I'm most anxious to see in camp, if he made any progress in the off season.
No, he played more than that. I forget which game it was, but I remember talking about how good he looked and that got me excited.

Macarthur
05-08-2009, 05:04 PM
We'll let me get this straight....

We've all hated Kosier and complained about how bad he sucks, but now that we've realized he's better than Proctor (who sucks harder) Kosier is now a solid peg at LG?

He blows. Blame it on continuity or Proctor just being that much worse or Flo being one of the worst LT's in the league last year, but don't blame it on us missing Kosiers play.

LT and LG both need to be upgraded. I hope Brewster can take care of one of those positions.

I haven't hated Kosier.

I'm all for an upgrade, but you can't deny when he was healthy the way the line has played the last TWO years and how they played without him. That doesn't mean he's a probowler, but he's steady.

And I'm for an upgrade at LT and LG, but that's easier said than done.

I actually think Holland might be better in the long run than Kosier. He's younger and has a better anchor. When Kosier does have issues is with guys bulling over him. Holland is a little thicker and more difficult to run through.

You know, something that everyone is not talking about is that there are whispers out of the ranch that the coaches were not thirlled with the way Geroude played last year. I don't think it's a coinscidence that the guy they really wanted in the 2nd was Unger. When he went right in front, they wanted out.

Burns336
05-11-2009, 05:50 PM
Just thought I'd show everyone this since it gave me a half boner...

Although, I will say I see D-line/O-line as a more pressing needs heading into next season -- if we did go safety though...

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1647280&highlight=major+wright#post1647280

thule
05-13-2009, 08:45 PM
Brewster is working at RT D.

D-Unit
05-13-2009, 08:56 PM
Brewster is working at RT D.
OK Cool. Better than Guard.

I don't think it's finalized yet though, I saw Houck say they'd try him at the hardest positiosn first, starting with LT. How rad would it be if that worked out? (Yes, I know I said the word "rad") :)

Doubtful, but hey... ya never know these things in the beginning.

thule
05-13-2009, 08:59 PM
OK Cool. Better than Guard.

I don't think it's finalized yet though, I saw Houck say they'd try him at the hardest positiosn first, starting with LT. How rad would it be if that worked out? (Yes, I know I said the word "rad") :)

Doubtful, but hey... ya never know these things in the beginning.

That is completely different from what I read. I read that they wanted to keep him at RT for now because the learning curve of multiple positions would make him think out on the field rather than just play football.

Burns336
05-13-2009, 11:31 PM
That is completely different from what I read. I read that they wanted to keep him at RT for now because the learning curve of multiple positions would make him think out on the field rather than just play football.

Thule, where have you been?

Have you found something in life that is more fulfilling than being a loser with the rest of us here online?

D-Unit
05-13-2009, 11:38 PM
That is completely different from what I read. I read that they wanted to keep him at RT for now because the learning curve of multiple positions would make him think out on the field rather than just play football.
Maybe I heard wrong then. There was a video somewhere where I saw Houck talking about Brewster. Can't remember where it was...

HEISMANHERSCHEL
05-29-2009, 03:23 AM
I have a feeling that we're going to need to address WR next season. We really will miss TO's production. He was such a damn beast for us. Totally went underappreciated, and the guys who are thinking we're better off without him, must be really strong believers in Roy... and I'm not quite there yet. TO was a playmaker.

Gonna miss this:

F8QujGqvtkU

How can people say he doesn't make catches across the middle of the field with a straight face? TO makes every kind of catch in the book.


All I know is that Roy has big shoes to fill.

Sigh... Brandon Tate would've helped... but hey, we got Robert Brewster! woopee. FML.

Not sure if anyone else caught this but at 2:58 seconds, that is not TO catching the ball. TO would be the one watching...

Hahahaha. D-Unit---U are the man. But you screwed yourself here.

If I was good with computers, I would make a similar tape of all the drops TO made!

He was a lot of fun to watch. No doubt about that. But he frustrated me a lot, too...

And to all the TO fans-sorry for laughing. But this was a TO highlight reel. But watching closely you realize that it isn't even TO making all the touchdown catches...


Hahahahahahaha

HEISMANHERSCHEL
05-29-2009, 03:31 AM
And for the record-Boo Williams NT Wake Forest.

I tried to hype this guy before I knew he wasn't coming out in the draft. He is a monster.

I am pretty sure he wont be a cowboy, but everyone needs to realize what this guy is capable of. He is not completely human.

herniateddisc
05-29-2009, 10:33 PM
And for the record-Boo Williams NT Wake Forest.

I tried to hype this guy before I knew he wasn't coming out in the draft. He is a monster.

I am pretty sure he wont be a cowboy, but everyone needs to realize what this guy is capable of. He is not completely human.


Boo Robinson -- they also have an interesting back up named Carter.

Paul
05-29-2009, 10:39 PM
Is Boo really 325 though? From his highlights and pictures I've seen he looks no bigger then 305.

D-Unit
07-15-2009, 06:22 PM
Since I'm predicting a 6-8 win season, we should be able to get a nice player.

thule
07-16-2009, 11:01 AM
Since I'm predicting a 6-8 win season, we should be able to get a nice player.

If we only win 6-8 games we should cut/trade Hamlin and move up for Berry. My boner would be too big if that situation happened. Anyone else hereing the hamlin rumors...he is making the 2nd most money on the cowboys this season...he "has" to produce this year or he won't be a cowboy in 2010.

FinChase
07-17-2009, 09:27 AM
Since I'm predicting a 6-8 win season, we should be able to get a nice player.


Seriously?! 6-8!

thule
07-17-2009, 11:37 AM
Seriously?! 6-8!

I'll say 9-7

Paul
07-17-2009, 12:32 PM
I'll say 9-7

Same for me. Maybe 10 and sneak into the playoffs.

LizardState
07-17-2009, 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by FinChase View Post
Seriously?! 6-8!
I'll say 9-7

Same for me. Maybe 10 and sneak into the playoffs.

That's more better.......:rolleyes: 10 is the brass ring, maybe the best to hope for in the brutal NFC East, where they will need 10 or more for a WC playoff berth. Maybe a choke from McNabb or the Giants or 2 as well.

And I think the acid test for Hamlin to earn that bloated salary or get gone will be vs. the new Giants receivers, remember, no more Plaxico to cover, which must be kind of like trying to cover a human-giraffe hybrid. Hamlin & Newman with their experience should give them an edge over rookie WRs & lead to some coverage sacks on Eli.

the schedule is friendly too, the Thxgvg. game is the Raiders & they have Carolina at home on a Monday night to showcase the new stadium. If they keep the injuries down 10 Ws isn't out of the question. And the 2 media troublesome lightning rods of Adam Jones & TO are thankfully gone, the locker room needs to stabilize & settle down in camp.

Sure sign of trouble: dropping the opener on the road in Tampa. If Romo does his meltdown thing again & the offense tanks there will be panic in the air at Valley Ranch.

D-Unit
07-17-2009, 03:21 PM
I dunno, 6-8 is a number off the top of my head. I didn't even see the schedule. I just think the teams in our division have improved dramatically while we have taken a step back talent wise and simply hope that a fix in personalities is the cure all. Sorry, but I'm still a believer that talent trumps character.

LonghornsLegend
07-17-2009, 03:41 PM
I dunno, 6-8 is a number off the top of my head. I didn't even see the schedule. I just think the teams in our division have improved dramatically while we have taken a step back talent wise and simply hope that a fix in personalities is the cure all. Sorry, but I'm still a believer that talent trumps character.

We still had more talent then 90% of teams in the league and we still do...Everyone is in love with the Giants but they need a WR this year, Hixon was terrible without Plaxico last year and their going to be relying on lots of guys who have done nothing yet.


Newman can lock up any of their WR's man to man all game, and so can Scandrick, Jenkins shouldn't have a problem with someone like Steve Smith and when you put pressure on Eli he's terrible.


I don't see the Giants as being so much improved, we both lost our #1 WR's last year, but we at least have Roy to step into the gap, their probably going to a WRBC with a bunch of different guys who have yet to ever show they can be a #1 WR.

D-Unit
07-17-2009, 04:17 PM
We still had more talent then 90% of teams in the league and we still do...Everyone is in love with the Giants but they need a WR this year, Hixon was terrible without Plaxico last year and their going to be relying on lots of guys who have done nothing yet.


Newman can lock up any of their WR's man to man all game, and so can Scandrick, Jenkins shouldn't have a problem with someone like Steve Smith and when you put pressure on Eli he's terrible.


I don't see the Giants as being so much improved, we both lost our #1 WR's last year, but we at least have Roy to step into the gap, their probably going to a WRBC with a bunch of different guys who have yet to ever show they can be a #1 WR.
The Giants are most definitely an improved team. It's one thing for Hixon to jump in and be expected to carry the load midseason. It's another thing for him to be prepared for it from the start. He'll get a lot more reps in practice and he'll be more focused as well. He and Manning had their timing off, but they were close on connecting many times. Plus I think Nicks is going to have a big impact and they have young guns who could emerge. I've said over and over, that you don't need great WRs to win in this league. The Giants D is scary. My only hope is that the loss of Spags hurts them. Their RBBC approach is also a major plus. When healthy Jacobs owns us.

But that's besides the point, I think the big boss in the East is Philly this year. I think we're on par with Washington. One of us will be last place in the division. Their defense is Legit.

...and I'm just talking about the East... the rest of the league has greatly improved. The Saints are up and coming... so is ATL. Carolina is still very capable. The Bears got Cutler and improved their D. Minny is about to get Favre and their D is monstrous. Green Bay is gonna be one of the top teams in the NFC. The only NFC division I'm not worried about is the West. We got our hands full.

bigbluedefense
07-18-2009, 01:01 PM
I agree with everything D-Unit said, but I still don't see the Cowboys winning only 6-8 games.

That team has too much talent to be that bad. I wouldn't be concerned about your WR core at all. I think its fine. The RBs are fine. The TE duo might be the best in the league. Im a big Romo fan, so you won't hear me knock on him.

The defense is stoute.

I just think the line play is gonna be the problem. Oline and dline. But 6 wins? I dunno about that. This team is very capable of winning 10 to 11 games.

1 of the big 3 are gonna underachieve (Cowboys, Giants, Eagles). I think Washington shocks a lot of ppl this year personally.

While I feel the Eagles are the biggest challenge to the Giants "on paper", part of me feels that they will be the team that underachieves this year.

D-Unit
07-18-2009, 01:11 PM
I agree with everything D-Unit said, but I still don't see the Cowboys winning only 6-8 games.

That team has too much talent to be that bad. I wouldn't be concerned about your WR core at all. I think its fine. The RBs are fine. The TE duo might be the best in the league. Im a big Romo fan, so you won't hear me knock on him.

The defense is stoute.

I just think the line play is gonna be the problem. Oline and dline. But 6 wins? I dunno about that. This team is very capable of winning 10 to 11 games.

1 of the big 3 are gonna underachieve (Cowboys, Giants, Eagles). I think Washington shocks a lot of ppl this year personally.

While I feel the Eagles are the biggest challenge to the Giants "on paper", part of me feels that they will be the team that underachieves this year.
IMO, the Eagles have always "overachieved" and the Cowboys have always "underachieved". I don't see that changing all of a sudden. The Cowboys don't have the right coach in place. They will be as soft as he is.

I need to make my Shanahan in 2010 campaign poster now.

bigbluedefense
07-18-2009, 01:38 PM
IMO, the Eagles have always "overachieved" and the Cowboys have always "underachieved". I don't see that changing all of a sudden. The Cowboys don't have the right coach in place. They will be as soft as he is.

I need to make my Shanahan in 2010 campaign poster now.

Too many things went right for the Eagles last year though. They have a lot of question marks heading into this season.

1. McNabb - when has he ever stayed healthy 2 seasons in a row?
2. Jim Johnson - I believe in McDermot, but still. You can't replace a legend.
3. Brian Westbrook - make no mistake about it, everyone talks about DJax, and now Maclin and McCoy, but this team lives and dies with this man right here. Westbrook is over 30, and already injured.
4. I don't expect any rookie impact this year. Maybe McCoy, but if he has to make an impact, thats good news for the rest of the division bc it means no Westbrook. Maclin and Ingram will need at least a year to develop.
5. I think their dline overachieved last year. I think the world of Cole and Bunkley, but Patterson and Parker overachieved.
6. I think losing Dawkins won't show much on the field, but in the lockerroom, you can't replace leaders like that. Toughness in December will be missed with the loss of Dawkins. Young guys just can't replicate that kind of toughness and resolve that gets you through December and January.
7. As much as I love their oline, its completely shaken up. It takes awhile to adjust to each other, and theyll start out shakey.

I honestly see the Eagles being a much more dangerous team in 2010 than 2009. When Maclin, McCoy and Ingram get a year under their belt along with that oline working together for a year, thats when the Eagles are gonna be scary. This year we won't see any impact from those guys (sans the oline).

D-Unit
07-18-2009, 02:24 PM
Too many things went right for the Eagles last year though. They have a lot of question marks heading into this season.

1. McNabb - when has he ever stayed healthy 2 seasons in a row?
2. Jim Johnson - I believe in McDermot, but still. You can't replace a legend.
3. Brian Westbrook - make no mistake about it, everyone talks about DJax, and now Maclin and McCoy, but this team lives and dies with this man right here. Westbrook is over 30, and already injured.
4. I don't expect any rookie impact this year. Maybe McCoy, but if he has to make an impact, thats good news for the rest of the division bc it means no Westbrook. Maclin and Ingram will need at least a year to develop.
5. I think their dline overachieved last year. I think the world of Cole and Bunkley, but Patterson and Parker overachieved.
6. I think losing Dawkins won't show much on the field, but in the lockerroom, you can't replace leaders like that. Toughness in December will be missed with the loss of Dawkins. Young guys just can't replicate that kind of toughness and resolve that gets you through December and January.
7. As much as I love their oline, its completely shaken up. It takes awhile to adjust to each other, and theyll start out shakey.

I honestly see the Eagles being a much more dangerous team in 2010 than 2009. When Maclin, McCoy and Ingram get a year under their belt along with that oline working together for a year, thats when the Eagles are gonna be scary. This year we won't see any impact from those guys (sans the oline).
Those points are legit, but really... you could nitpick any team in the league and have major question marks. I really hope you're right that Dallas will do better than I assume right now, I really do. Would just make my season better as a fan, but I have reason to doubt. Everyone thinks that a dull lockerroom is the cure to all ills, but it was never the lockerroom that was the problem in the first place. That was just the excuse. The real problem was failure to execute, Romo's injury and his late season collapse. We should've won that Pittsburgh game. Winning 7-8 games is realistic. 6 would really be a bummer.

Side note: I think McCoy is gonna be Huge this year.

herniateddisc
07-18-2009, 03:13 PM
I agree with everything D-Unit said, but I still don't see the Cowboys winning only 6-8 games.

That team has too much talent to be that bad. I wouldn't be concerned about your WR core at all. I think its fine. The RBs are fine. The TE duo might be the best in the league. Im a big Romo fan, so you won't hear me knock on him.

The defense is stoute.

I just think the line play is gonna be the problem. Oline and dline. But 6 wins? I dunno about that. This team is very capable of winning 10 to 11 games.

1 of the big 3 are gonna underachieve (Cowboys, Giants, Eagles). I think Washington shocks a lot of ppl this year personally.

While I feel the Eagles are the biggest challenge to the Giants "on paper", part of me feels that they will be the team that underachieves this year.

I realize this won't come across too well but the GMen really miss Plaxico. I expect them to struggle with the first place schedule, 9-7 or 8-8. D wil be real good I think but the O not so much.

Cowboys have a third place schedule so who knows ... I have hope for 11-5 but as with last year all I care about is a) How Romo and O play after Thanksgiving and b) a Defense that is consistent all year shutting down teams (which it was not last year or any year since forever).

All the other stuff for us is secondary ,,,,,,

FinChase
07-20-2009, 09:19 AM
D, I think you underestimate the influence of the lockerroom. You call it boring, but I call it stable. The media probably blew a lot of things out of proportion, but there was something going on there last year. It can't be a bad thing is those sorts of distractions are minimized.

And while I don't think Wade Phillips is the right head coach, I'm not that crazy about Shanahan either. What did he ever win without Elway and Davis? Personally, I'd rather have Cowher, but that's probably a pipe dream.

My biggest fear is that Flozell will tank again and the O-line will collapse. If that happens, you could be right: We could be in for a long season.

D-Unit
07-20-2009, 12:23 PM
D, I think you underestimate the influence of the lockerroom. You call it boring, but I call it stable. The media probably blew a lot of things out of proportion, but there was something going on there last year. It can't be a bad thing is those sorts of distractions are minimized.

And while I don't think Wade Phillips is the right head coach, I'm not that crazy about Shanahan either. What did he ever win without Elway and Davis? Personally, I'd rather have Cowher, but that's probably a pipe dream.

My biggest fear is that Flozell will tank again and the O-line will collapse. If that happens, you could be right: We could be in for a long season.
Cowher would be fabulous, but I think he might be too head strong for Jerry. ...and he's got his warts too. It only took him until the brink of retirement to finally win a Superbowl.

As for the lockerroom... one things for sure... we will find out exactly how much better (or worse) our team is without the so called "distractions". I just find it kinda funny that people seem to think the media will now all of a sudden leave out coverage of the Cowboys lockerroom. The players were never the distraction. The media has always been the distraction. Trying to make news out of nothing is their job. The media distractions will be just as strong as last year. Just instead of TO taking the blame, Romo will take it. You can already see that the media is already starting to build up their new story lines about "everything being on Romo's shoulders"... "Romo has no excuses now"... "Romo lacks leadership"... yeah... Anyone expecting a quiet season concerning the Cowboys lockerroom is purely foolish. The topics will be different, but the magnitude of the distractions will be the same.

...and NOW people are starting to be worried about Flozell??? :confused: From the first day I started posting at NFLDC, I wanted a replacement for that fool. Every year, the draft thread is the same... lists and lists of potential LT prospects. Jerry is not a guy who prioritizes in building in the trenches. It's a fact. So our depth is terrible. We are only as good as our starters play. Because he doesn't draft for value. He spends late picks on them. What he does do, is invest big money in FAs. But all that does is fill the starting spots. When a starter goes down, the Cowboys have Nothing. You name it... LT, LG, C, RG, RT, LDE, NT, RDE. If we need to count on our 2nd string guys at any of those positions, we are facing hell.

Geo
07-20-2009, 12:34 PM
Good post, D.

What's up with the two 2007 draft picks James Marten and Doug Free? I remember them being really solid guys.

D-Unit
07-20-2009, 12:45 PM
Good post, D.

What's up with the two 2007 draft picks James Marten and Doug Free? I remember them being really solid guys.
Marten has been long gone. Plays for the Raiders I think... unless they've cut him. Free is still here and nobody really knows what the real deal is with the guy. Some think he's the golden child, I think he's a bad fit in our current scheme. However, if Shanahan brings his offense here, Free could certainly become that golden child. I love him in that scheme.

Macarthur
07-20-2009, 02:25 PM
I dunno, 6-8 is a number off the top of my head. I didn't even see the schedule. I just think the teams in our division have improved dramatically while we have taken a step back talent wise and simply hope that a fix in personalities is the cure all. Sorry, but I'm still a believer that talent trumps character.

Show me the "dramatic" improvment made by the rest of the NFC East.

D-Unit
07-20-2009, 03:41 PM
Show me the "dramatic" improvment made by the rest of the NFC East.
Are you really that out of it to not realize it yourself?

I'm all for us trying to win as many games as we can, and I hope we win the Super Bowl this year, but it's going to take a lot of things going right for us and a lot of things going wrong for others.

Macarthur
07-20-2009, 04:03 PM
Are you really that out of it to not realize it yourself?

I'm all for us trying to win as many games as we can, and I hope we win the Super Bowl this year, but it's going to take a lot of things going right for us and a lot of things going wrong for others.

Nope.

Let me summerize based on what I know. Please correct if I've missed anything.

Giants:

Added a couple of well thought of draft picks. They did fortify their D-Line, but that was not what I would call an area of weakness to begin with. Added a good LBer.

Lost their D-Coordinator, lost Butler, Ward, Plax & Toomer.

So they have fortified an already very solid defense, but they lost the guy that coordinated that defense. They lost their speedy RB and 2 of their top 4 WRs. Have they gotten "significantly" better?

Philly:


They added two potential playmakers on offense through the draft. Lost their DC and their hear and soul of defense in Dawkins. Added a couple of nice pieces on the OL, but do a little reading around the league about Peters and his difficulty with speed rushers. I think that matchup will favor Ware.

Wash:

Two big additions on defense but their defense was already pretty good. I don't believe Campbell is a playoff caliber QB.

So basically, for you to say that all of the NFC East improved dramatically, you have to assume that all of these rookies make a big impact, which rookies generally do not do.

Also, the 2 best defenses have lost their DC which is a big wildcard.

I don't see where everyone just passed us like we are standing still. Are they all potentially better, yes. Is there a pretty significant unknown with regards to NY and Philly losing their highly effective DCs, yes. I also think NY has to have some concern about their WR situation. There was a major difference in their offense when Plax went out for good last year. I also think the health thing is a decent point with regards to McNabb & Westbrook. Those two have had trouble staying healthy and their both on the wrong side of 30.

Look, I think the Cowboys are looking at 10 wins. I'm not saying we're a lock to win the east. I just keep reading everywhere that everyone has gotten so much better and I think that's based on lots of assumptions, namely rookies and new DCs.

D-Unit
07-20-2009, 06:17 PM
Nope.

Let me summerize based on what I know. Please correct if I've missed anything.

Giants:

Added a couple of well thought of draft picks. They did fortify their D-Line, but that was not what I would call an area of weakness to begin with. Added a good LBer.

Lost their D-Coordinator, lost Butler, Ward, Plax & Toomer.

So they have fortified an already very solid defense, but they lost the guy that coordinated that defense. They lost their speedy RB and 2 of their top 4 WRs. Have they gotten "significantly" better?

Philly:


They added two potential playmakers on offense through the draft. Lost their DC and their hear and soul of defense in Dawkins. Added a couple of nice pieces on the OL, but do a little reading around the league about Peters and his difficulty with speed rushers. I think that matchup will favor Ware.

Wash:

Two big additions on defense but their defense was already pretty good. I don't believe Campbell is a playoff caliber QB.

So basically, for you to say that all of the NFC East improved dramatically, you have to assume that all of these rookies make a big impact, which rookies generally do not do.

Also, the 2 best defenses have lost their DC which is a big wildcard.

I don't see where everyone just passed us like we are standing still. Are they all potentially better, yes. Is there a pretty significant unknown with regards to NY and Philly losing their highly effective DCs, yes. I also think NY has to have some concern about their WR situation. There was a major difference in their offense when Plax went out for good last year. I also think the health thing is a decent point with regards to McNabb & Westbrook. Those two have had trouble staying healthy and their both on the wrong side of 30.

Look, I think the Cowboys are looking at 10 wins. I'm not saying we're a lock to win the east. I just keep reading everywhere that everyone has gotten so much better and I think that's based on lots of assumptions, namely rookies and new DCs.
Well, since we're discrediting rookie impacts let's just say the Cowboys simply went backwards then. Forget holding onto status quo. Which was in fact a 9-7 season. One game above .500.

Fact of the matter is that rookies do bring an impact to a team. We see it all over the NFL. We saw it in our division and we saw it on our own team. Who knew Tashard Choice and Orlando Scandrick would have the impact that they had? Felix Jones was a marvel in his own right, eventhough the time was short.

To understate rookie impacts is a grave mistake. Especially when you consider the players going to our division foes. I'm sure I don't have to lay it out for you.

Our division rivals have also been active in FA and trade.

WAS - Haynesworth to Washington is no joke. Their defense was good last year, you say? No way we run it down their throats the way we did last year. Plus they added Orakpo and Jarmon. DeAngelo Hall re-upped with them... Landry and Horton are beasts... LB corps has a nice blend of talent, youth and experience. They brought Derrick Dockery back to their OL. Last year's rookies like Devin Thomas will definitely have a bigger year. Cooley is expected to have a bounce back year. As for Campbell, I doubt the guy as well, but there's no going around the fact that last year was his first year under Zorn. He's coming in much more grounded this season... and you know... this is a contract year for him.

PHI - Oh k... belittle them if you may, but those 2 offensive additions named Jeremy Maclin and Shady McCoy are LEGIT. Give us those 2 guys and Cowboys nation is talking 3-peat again. These 2 guys are going to a team that royally kicked our ass at the end of the year. Maybe you're right. Maybe most of us should just "bank" on McNabb and/or Westbrook getting injured. That's the way to look at it correctly! ;) Yep Dawkins is gone... say hello to Sean Jones. gah. Another name I wanted on the Boys badly.

NYG - People are overstating how badly they played without Plax. So much so that's it's almost become a brain washed fact that they'll fail without him again. I don't care to brain wash myself into thinking that the Giants are bound for more failure. The only missing ingredient was the timing between Eli's deep passes to his receivers. A full preseason of preparation can easily help to correct that. Add to the fact that they drafted the most NFL ready WR and also plan to move the ubertalented, yet oft injured in college TE Travis Beckum to WR... Don't forget the 6'6" Ramses Barden. Then you have Dominick Hixon, Sinorice Moss, Mario Manningham, and Steve Smith... Oh, they have the horses, alright. Ward's impact should be minmal. Bradshaw and Ware will step in and Andre Brown has been receiving high praise. Their draft class this year is the best class I've seen in a long time. Add to the guys I've already mention... Clint Sintim, William Beatty, Rhett Bomar. Pure sickness. Yeah, they added Canty at DT. But the forgotten man they added is Rocky Bernard. Which if he was added to the Cowboys, we would be singing holy praises about. And oh btw, a guy named Osi Umenyiora is back after sitting out the season. Yeah, they lost their DC, but it doesn't take a genius to push the buttons when you have that kind of talent. Everyone is saying the Eagles will win this year. No no. It'll be the Giants.

But hey, maybe our new Nickel LB, Jason Williams will be the second coming of Ray Lewis. Maybe we can find a silver lining in the hope that the loss of a couple of Defensive Coordinators on our division rivals teams will make us better. Their loss is our gain has to be our motto in 2009-10. ;) Maybe losing TO will help us win because our team will "get along" now. ...because everyone on the Cowboys team including Terence Newman, Marion Barber, Chris Canty and Jason Witten thought TO was a distraction. No wait... they did stick up for TO. My bad. Those are just the guys who came out publicly. Can we name even 1 person with a surety who said TO actually WAS a distraction??? Huh, that's funny. The media said there was plenty. Hrmmm... somethings wrong with that picture.

If we win the SB, then I'll be happy as hell, but right now, I see no hope in that being a realistic goal. I'd even take a playoff birth and a playoff win. But anything less than that is continuing to go backwards.

I hate to be Mr. Bah Humbug this year... but I'm really not trying to be negative as I am just trying to be honest with myself for once.

herniateddisc
07-20-2009, 08:36 PM
One things is for certain, if Jerry had not brought in TO and instead kept investing in Parcells -- we would be talking about SB right now, we would be talking about all our stars being in their Prime.

As many warts as Bill had, this deterioration never would have occurred.

D-Unit
07-20-2009, 08:53 PM
One things is for certain, if Jerry had not brought in TO and instead kept investing in Parcells -- we would be talking about SB right now, we would be talking about all our stars being in their Prime.

As many warts as Bill had, this deterioration never would have occurred.
One thing certain is that Parcells wanted more control over team operations than simply being a Head Coach and he wasn't going to have complete control in Dallas.

So really, where are the facts?

TO being the scapegoat once again? LOL. Fact.

herniateddisc
07-20-2009, 10:59 PM
One thing certain is that Parcells wanted more control over team operations than simply being a Head Coach and he wasn't going to have complete control in Dallas.

So really, where are the facts?

TO being the scapegoat once again? LOL. Fact.

1) I was stating my opinion and I see no objective reason why it is wrong.

2) Your point contradicts everything ever written about the Jones/Parcells relationship and certainly goes against the Jerry Jones acolytes.

3) Even if you point is correct, "getting rid of TO" hardly constitutes "complete control."

4) TO scapegoat? Have you seen his busy media schedule lately? Does he look or act like a football professional?? Dude's been trying to go Hollywood for a few years and finally getting traction.

But yeah, I serious doubt YOU WOULD BE TALKING DETERIORATION if Parcells was still here. The discussion would be about Romo being great and all our great players hitting their prime.

Instead we are talking about how the rest of the division is getting better and we will be lucky to be 9-7.

Told u so.

thule
07-20-2009, 11:10 PM
I think we'll surprise the media this year. It simply comes down to Romo...idc how you spin it...WR's..TE's..RB's...Oline...this year is on Tony's Shoulders.

On another note to keep this draft related...I'm exciting to see Bobby Carpenter on the field a ton this year. I think he'll outplay Burnett from last year. Jason Williams will not see the field this year barring injury on defense...special teams only imo.

D-Unit
07-21-2009, 01:36 AM
1) I was stating my opinion and I see no objective reason why it is wrong.

I see no reason why you're right. The reason you're wrong is because the first thing Parcells did when he left was find a job where he could control every part of the football organization. BUT... I know you won't acknowledge that out of your pride.

2) Your point contradicts everything ever written about the Jones/Parcells relationship and certainly goes against the Jerry Jones acolytes.

My point about what exactly? Personally, I think they got along great, but it came to a point that Parcells wanted more than he was ever gonna get here.

3) Even if you point is correct, "getting rid of TO" hardly constitutes "complete control."

Still don't know what you're talking about.

4) TO scapegoat? Have you seen his busy media schedule lately? Does he look or act like a football professional?? Dude's been trying to go Hollywood for a few years and finally getting traction.

You're talking about the present. I'm talking about the past in what he didn't do to deserve being the scapegoat. Sorry, but I'll just take T-New's, Barber's, Canty's and Witten's word over yours. You get trumped.

But yeah, I serious doubt YOU WOULD BE TALKING DETERIORATION if Parcells was still here. The discussion would be about Romo being great and all our great players hitting their prime.

Um, I loved Parcells... I love Parcells... If he was still here, who knows what he would've or wouldn't have accomplished, but I'm not going to talk hypotheticals with you. As for Romo, I think he's good enough to be a SB winning QB. Not sure what you're saying or trying to say once again...

Instead we are talking about how the rest of the division is getting better and we will be lucky to be 9-7.

I was all onboard with our offseason's progress. That all stopped when the draft was over and I looked around at the new landscape and saw we've been left in the dust. I thought Jerry reverted back to his old ways of drafting and that this draft will be one of the worst in Cowboys history. While the Giants had arguably their best draft in history and the Eagles and Redskins took a step forward.

Told u so.

No, you didn't tell me Jerry was going to screw up this draft that badly. But I am happy that you aren't wearing blinders about how good this season will be. We're gonna suck ass and continue muddling through mediocrity.

Bolded answers. I know you hate Jerry. But once this season is over and if there is no salary cap.... We'll be winning the SB in 3 years at the most. One thing Jerry is good at is spending money.

LonghornsLegend
07-21-2009, 07:30 AM
It's so annoying to hear Bob say "told you so" over and over, that's why nobody wants to hold a discussion with him anymore, at least not a majority of people, he's always right, and always was right in the past, about everything.


Parcells didn't even win 1 playoff game while he was here, and the defense wasn't producing at a high level at all, hell the players were falling out of grace from that scheme, yet if he was still here we would be talking Super Bowl, lol ok.

Macarthur
07-21-2009, 11:01 AM
Well, since we're discrediting rookie impacts let's just say the Cowboys simply went backwards then. Forget holding onto status quo. Which was in fact a 9-7 season. One game above .500.

Fact of the matter is that rookies do bring an impact to a team. We see it all over the NFL. We saw it in our division and we saw it on our own team. Who knew Tashard Choice and Orlando Scandrick would have the impact that they had? Felix Jones was a marvel in his own right, eventhough the time was short.

I didn't discredit. I just said that rookies impact is spotty.


Our division rivals have also been active in FA and trade.

WAS - Haynesworth to Washington is no joke. Their defense was good last year, you say? No way we run it down their throats the way we did last year. Plus they added Orakpo and Jarmon. DeAngelo Hall re-upped with them... Landry and Horton are beasts... LB corps has a nice blend of talent, youth and experience. They brought Derrick Dockery back to their OL. Last year's rookies like Devin Thomas will definitely have a bigger year. Cooley is expected to have a bounce back year. As for Campbell, I doubt the guy as well, but there's no going around the fact that last year was his first year under Zorn. He's coming in much more grounded this season... and you know... this is a contract year for him.

Haynesworth is a beast when he wants to be. However, there have always been questions surrounding him and his motor. Is that going to magically stop now that he has the big contract? No question the guy is a beast, but I think the risk reward is pretty high on him, too. Orakpo may end up a good one, but I have watched too many UT guys come into the league and fizzle. Right now, that matchup favors Flo big time. The rest of the defense is good, as I said. But lets not forget, we should have beat them twice last year if our OC doesn't have a brain fart and Newman doesn't have one of the worst games of his career. Zorn will be a failure. Mark it down.


PHI - Oh k... belittle them if you may, but those 2 offensive additions named Jeremy Maclin and Shady McCoy are LEGIT. Give us those 2 guys and Cowboys nation is talking 3-peat again. These 2 guys are going to a team that royally kicked our ass at the end of the year. Maybe you're right. Maybe most of us should just "bank" on McNabb and/or Westbrook getting injured. That's the way to look at it correctly! ;) Yep Dawkins is gone... say hello to Sean Jones. gah. Another name I wanted on the Boys badly.

I think Maclin and McCoy will be good. I disgree with you that if we had those two we would be a shoe in. I think you are over inflating these guys impact as a rookie. I'm not "banking"; I'm just saying that they both have a history and they're getting older. I don't think it's unreasonable that one or both could miss significant time. Dawkins is gone and I think you underestimate his importance. Jones might be able to cover because Dawkins was in decline, but it's the heart thing where Dawkins will be missed. ANd you didn't even mention the DC. That is big.


NYG - People are overstating how badly they played without Plax. So much so that's it's almost become a brain washed fact that they'll fail without him again. I don't care to brain wash myself into thinking that the Giants are bound for more failure. The only missing ingredient was the timing between Eli's deep passes to his receivers. A full preseason of preparation can easily help to correct that.

So that will work for Manning and his guys, but won't work for Romo and RW?

Add to the fact that they drafted the most NFL ready WR and also plan to move the ubertalented, yet oft injured in college TE Travis Beckum to WR... Don't forget the 6'6" Ramses Barden. Then you have Dominick Hixon, Sinorice Moss, Mario Manningham, and Steve Smith... Oh, they have the horses, alright.

Rookie WRs have little to no impact. That other group does nothing for me.


Ward's impact should be minmal. Bradshaw and Ware will step in and Andre Brown has been receiving high praise. Their draft class this year is the best class I've seen in a long time.

Again, that bodes well for them down the road, but I don't see many of them making a huge impact this year.


Add to the guys I've already mention... Clint Sintim, William Beatty, Rhett Bomar. Pure sickness.

None of these guys are going to make an impact this year.

Yeah, they added Canty at DT. But the forgotten man they added is Rocky Bernard. Which if he was added to the Cowboys, we would be singing holy praises about. And oh btw, a guy named Osi Umenyiora is back after sitting out the season. Yeah, they lost their DC, but it doesn't take a genius to push the buttons when you have that kind of talent. Everyone is saying the Eagles will win this year. No no. It'll be the Giants.

I've already said their defense will be very solid again, but I think I put a little more stock in the DC thing than you do.


But hey, maybe our new Nickel LB, Jason Williams will be the second coming of Ray Lewis. Maybe we can find a silver lining in the hope that the loss of a couple of Defensive Coordinators on our division rivals teams will make us better. Their loss is our gain has to be our motto in 2009-10. ;) Maybe losing TO will help us win because our team will "get along" now. ...because everyone on the Cowboys team including Terence Newman, Marion Barber, Chris Canty and Jason Witten thought TO was a distraction. No wait... they did stick up for TO. My bad. Those are just the guys who came out publicly. Can we name even 1 person with a surety who said TO actually WAS a distraction??? Huh, that's funny. The media said there was plenty. Hrmmm... somethings wrong with that picture.

Now you're just being catty. I truly believe this team will be better. I don't think it's crazy to think that. Does that make us better than the rest of the east? I don't know. We'll see.

If we win the SB, then I'll be happy as hell, but right now, I see no hope in that being a realistic goal. I'd even take a playoff birth and a playoff win. But anything less than that is continuing to go backwards.

I hate to be Mr. Bah Humbug this year... but I'm really not trying to be negative as I am just trying to be honest with myself for once.

Again, don't inflate my argument. I never said we were a shoe in. I'm simply saying that I think the talk of the rest of the division making huge strides versus us may be a bit overstated.

D-Unit
07-21-2009, 11:34 AM
Again, don't inflate my argument. I never said we were a shoe in. I'm simply saying that I think the talk of the rest of the division making huge strides versus us may be a bit overstated.
And so we agree to disagree. This year will be another mediocre year and we'll probably draft somewhere between 15 adn 22. You may think the rest of the division didn't leave us in the dust... but you also may be thinking very short term. In the long term, we are going to be hurt by this terrible terrible draft.

FinChase
07-21-2009, 11:40 AM
It sort of amuses me to hear people talking about how they wish Parcells had never left. As I remember it, on this forum anyway, people couldn't wait for Parcells to leave. His 3-4 was plain vanilla, he was old and browbeat players, he couldn't draft O-linemen to save his life, his idea of offense was boring, etc.

I agree that the rest of the NFC East looks good, but none of us know now who's going to get hit by the injury bug yet. D-Unit is right that we are only a few key injuries away from bottom-ranking finish, but so are most of the teams in this league. The reality of the salary cap means that for the most part you have your starters and then a bunch of JAGs. You hope that a few of those JAGs will actually have something if they are called upon--like Tashard Choice last year--but as often as not, you end up with another Jacques Reeves.

I've said before and I'll say it again: I'm not expecting anything of our rookies this year except special teams. That seems to be what most of them were drafted for. If they can help us be a little better on ST this year, that will at least be an improvement over last year.

D-Unit
07-21-2009, 11:56 AM
It sort of amuses me to hear people talking about how they wish Parcells had never left. As I remember it, on this forum anyway, people couldn't wait for Parcells to leave. His 3-4 was plain vanilla, he was old and browbeat players, he couldn't draft O-linemen to save his life, his idea of offense was boring, etc.

I agree that the rest of the NFC East looks good, but none of us know now who's going to get hit by the injury bug yet. D-Unit is right that we are only a few key injuries away from bottom-ranking finish, but so are most of the teams in this league. The reality of the salary cap means that for the most part you have your starters and then a bunch of JAGs. You hope that a few of those JAGs will actually have something if they are called upon--like Tashard Choice last year--but as often as not, you end up with another Jacques Reeves.

I've said before and I'll say it again: I'm not expecting anything of our rookies this year except special teams. That seems to be what most of them were drafted for. If they can help us be a little better on ST this year, that will at least be an improvement over last year.
I loved Parcells and appreciated all he did here, but I'd by lying if I said we didn't have a healthy break up. I think the split was good for everyone. It was time.

Drafting entirely for special teams when you have 12 draft picks is a complete and utter joke, but it's all we got to hope for. Heck, maybe we should even hope that we now have a chance to develop quality depth... but one things for sure. We went into the draft talking about OT, NT, DE, WR, S and we'll be talking about the same positions in 2010. I'm hoping we don't have to be talking S as I'm actually kinda hopeful for Smith and Hamlin.

Macarthur
07-21-2009, 01:20 PM
And so we agree to disagree. This year will be another mediocre year and we'll probably draft somewhere between 15 adn 22. You may think the rest of the division didn't leave us in the dust... but you also may be thinking very short term. In the long term, we are going to be hurt by this terrible terrible draft.

This draft did not inspire me either. But let's keep something in mind. Many of the draft guys, namely Gosslin, were saying that this was one of the weakest drafts in more than a decade. It's all relative. I have faith is Cischowski (sp) and the scouting department. They did not think there was anyone there in the 2nd that could help us. I think the last couple of drafts, he has earned the benefit of the doubt.

herniateddisc
07-21-2009, 01:33 PM
Bolded answers. I know you hate Jerry. But once this season is over and if there is no salary cap.... We'll be winning the SB in 3 years at the most. One thing Jerry is good at is spending money.

1) The job Parcells got in Miami has about nothing to do with the one he left in Dallas. You act as if he quit Dallas to go to Miami for "full control." Never mind there was a season gap between joba A and B. Frankly, that is just nonsense. He quit Dallas b/c he wanted TO gone and Jones said "You know what, no."

2) I get confused with contradictions, Parcells is an ass who picked Bobby Carpenter and Fasano but Jerry was always in control. Fans talk out of both sides of there mouth.

3) REPEAT, no one is talking decline if Parcells is still here. I know how PAINFUL it is but it is TRUE.

4) Longhorn, what is there to talk about? Many of the posters here were abusive and nasty simply b/c they disagreed. Problem is when one is abusive back they go running to the Mods to bail them out. So, frankly I have very little respect for most of the posters here -- they simply rinse and wash what they read on ESPN or hear on Talk Radio or WORSE YET what comes out of Jerry's mouth.

5) Funny enuff I am actually thinking we can be very very very good this year if the OL remains healthy and our ILB don't play like dog pooh.

6) Hey, Roy Williams is going to the Pro Bowl in Cincy! Zimmer was the key all along! Just watch!

7) Joke, How do you know Jerry Jones is lying? His mouth is moving!

Too much.

LonghornsLegend
07-21-2009, 02:12 PM
But hey, maybe our new Nickel LB, Jason Williams will be the second coming of Ray Lewis. Maybe we can find a silver lining in the hope that the loss of a couple of Defensive Coordinators on our division rivals teams will make us better. Their loss is our gain has to be our motto in 2009-10. ;)Maybe losing TO will help us win because our team will "get along" now. ...because everyone on the Cowboys team including Terence Newman, Marion Barber, Chris Canty and Jason Witten thought TO was a distraction. No wait... they did stick up for TO. My bad. Those are just the guys who came out publicly. Can we name even 1 person with a surety who said TO actually WAS a distraction??? Huh, that's funny. The media said there was plenty. Hrmmm... somethings wrong with that picture.


At the same time D, would you say TO was a lockeroom cancer in Philly, or that he broke up team chemistry? I think it's pretty obvious that he did.


Yet and still, after all of the comments he made about McNabb and the Eagles being better off with Favre, fighting with Hugh Douglas, saying the Eagles lacked class for not celebrating his 100th TD, in his own words "alienating his teammates", but there was still a LARGE portion of Eagles who wanted him to return.


Defensive players, offensive players, the big story was how he had the locker room "split", some guys wanted him gone, some wanted him to come back, some hated him, some loved him, but the main thing was the issue with him and McNabb and him not getting along with the QB.


It was the same situation here, some guys in the locker room obviously wanted him to stay, it was probably more then just the 4 or 5 who spoke out, that's nothing new...The facts still remain that there was a problem with him and Romo, and there were also a large group of guys who didn't want him here, but you aren't going to hear anyone come out and say something like that.


I don't think Tony Romo is stupid really, and I don't think he'd want a HOF WR, and a legit talent like TO gone for no reason, what sense would that make? I think TO made a fuss about them drawing plays in the dirt, crying about not getting the ball in certain situations, all those things weighed down on Romo, you really can't expect him to grow as a QB when TO gets like that.


I don't think there is one team in the league who could expect to keep TO with their young franchise QB when he starts doing what he does best...I certainly don't think he was the problem in Dallas, at least the only one, not at all, we had FAR more problems then just him, but he still started to divide our locker room just like Philly, and I don't know how you didn't see that as a potential problem if we brought him back, it just wasn't going to work.


Do you think To could take a backseat at some point in his career the way Marvin Harrison did to Reggie Wayne or Torry Holt to Donnie Avery? Hell no. He doesn't do things the correct way, you get the good and the bad with him, and if we didn't let him go now it was going to cause more problems in the future.

D-Unit
07-21-2009, 03:48 PM
some great points there, LL. I can respect that. I hope TO's loss makes this team get to where we want to be.

Btw, you realize that you and Bob are in total agreement on this matter? Ha ha. Like 2 peas in a pod. :D

LonghornsLegend
07-21-2009, 04:09 PM
some great points there, LL. I can respect that. I hope TO's loss makes this team get to where we want to be.

Btw, you realize that you and Bob are in total agreement on this matter? Ha ha. Like 2 peas in a pod. :D

Lol yea one of the few things we agree on, though I don't really recognize it until one of you guys quote him :p

bigbluedefense
07-21-2009, 06:59 PM
Just to chime in real quick, D-Unit is right about depth. The depth on the Cowboys is downright awful (where it counts, ie the trenches). But hey, if you stay healthy, it doesn't mean anything.

The Cowboys are very capable of being a great team this year. If you give a healthy dose of the run game, and that front line on defense holds up, they can do some damage.

I just have serious questions about both lines, but you can still win with em.

getting back to the purpose of this thread, LT and NT have to be main priorities this year. you can't avoid it any longer.

herniateddisc
07-21-2009, 08:48 PM
...... LT and NT have to be main priorities this year. you can't avoid it any longer.

This has been a running dialogue for well over three years and the organization still ignores it. Our OL and ILB situation is downright scary. DL I strongly disagree outside of a real NT.

D-Unit
07-21-2009, 09:19 PM
i'm still pissed that we went quantity over quality in the draft. I hope I eat my words some day, but outside of clinging to the hope that our DBs are actually going to be draft steals, I'm not expecting any of these other guys to be longtime starters outside of J-Will.

herniateddisc
07-21-2009, 11:10 PM
i'm still pissed that we went quantity over quality in the draft. I hope I eat my words some day, but outside of clinging to the hope that our DBs are actually going to be draft steals, I'm not expecting any of these other guys to be longtime starters outside of J-Will.

This was the perfect draft to just take 6 OL and have a bake off in camp.

scottyboy
07-21-2009, 11:55 PM
The Cowboys are in need of a future franchise LT, and this may just be the draft for you guys. Lots of talented seniors and juniors.

oh, and Anthony Davis would be a PERFECT fit for you guys, but i'd kill myself if that happened.

D-Unit
07-21-2009, 11:56 PM
This was the perfect draft to just take 6 OL and have a bake off in camp.

Trading out of round 2 was a COMPLETE JOKE!!!!!!

I'm F'n besides myself thinking about it right now.

FinChase
07-22-2009, 08:54 AM
i'm still pissed that we went quantity over quality in the draft. I hope I eat my words some day, but outside of clinging to the hope that our DBs are actually going to be draft steals, I'm not expecting any of these other guys to be longtime starters outside of J-Will.

I have to agree with you there. I couldn't believe we traded out of the 2nd round when William Beatty was still on the board. Robert Brewster better not be a bust.

D-Unit
07-22-2009, 12:08 PM
I have to agree with you there. I couldn't believe we traded out of the 2nd round when William Beatty was still on the board. Robert Brewster better not be a bust.
I was more pissed that we passed on Jarron Gilbert. So if that guy is a bust, I'll feel better. LOL. But yeah, Beatty was there along with many others.

Even worse... NOT trading up for Rey Maualuga when he kept falling!!!! GARRRRRR!!!

FinChase
07-23-2009, 11:31 AM
I was more pissed that we passed on Jarron Gilbert. So if that guy is a bust, I'll feel better. LOL. But yeah, Beatty was there along with many others.

Even worse... NOT trading up for Rey Maualuga when he kept falling!!!! GARRRRRR!!!

Yeah, I wanted Rey too. We wouldn't be wondering about our ILB now if we'd done that.

herniateddisc
07-23-2009, 01:40 PM
Trading out of round 2 was a COMPLETE JOKE!!!!!!

I'm F'n besides myself thinking about it right now.

Well, I wanted less picks, more moving up and less players .....

... but what I don't understand is if you are just stockpiling -- at least focus on a group that you are weak on (OL), pick alot of guys 3/4/5/6/7, have a bake off in camp, keep the best, cut the slugs and PS the up and comers.

We just did not do that IMHO.

We will be cutting some DBs who are perfectly good back-ups. We have a backlog. We also might be cutting some WR where we have plenty of 4/5 WRs.....

But whatever, if we stay health at OL and ILB I predict 11-5.

D-Unit
07-23-2009, 02:46 PM
Well, I wanted less picks, more moving up and less players .....

... but what I don't understand is if you are just stockpiling -- at least focus on a group that you are weak on (OL), pick alot of guys 3/4/5/6/7, have a bake off in camp, keep the best, cut the slugs and PS the up and comers.

We just did not do that IMHO.

We will be cutting some DBs who are perfectly good back-ups. We have a backlog. We also might be cutting some WR where we have plenty of 4/5 WRs.....

But whatever, if we stay health at OL and ILB I predict 11-5.
Well, I don't like the stockpiling idea. I mean they stockpiled on a weak area... Special Teams.

I just don't understand why they refuse to add quality through the draft in the trenches.

I guess for this next draft we should just focus on WR, LB and S.

Geo
07-23-2009, 03:01 PM
I'm not too keen on that stockpiling idea either, feels like you're wasting picks because there are only so many players at a position (or unit) that you're able to keep. But if the roster spots are readily available, then it might work.

The Colts drafted three centers in 2007 and they are all on the roster to this point, in fact all saw some playing time last year because of the injuries.

The best thing to do is try and make the picks count by picking the right guys, year after year. It's impossible to be perfect, but the goal is to be successful. And that's by bringing in good football players however you can.

I'll throw my two cents in for the Cowboys, I think they will win a wild card spot. Yep, back to the playoffs. And if Jim Johnson misses most or all of the NFL season for the Eagles, that could open things up further in the division.

So keep an eye towards drafting in the playoff range.

Burns336
07-23-2009, 03:44 PM
I was more pissed that we passed on Jarron Gilbert. So if that guy is a bust, I'll feel better. LOL. But yeah, Beatty was there along with many others.

Even worse... NOT trading up for Rey Maualuga when he kept falling!!!! GARRRRRR!!!

How about skipping Michael Johnson?

It came out that he played with a sports hernia last year. He could easily be a guy that ends up looking like a steal.

D-Unit
07-23-2009, 04:08 PM
How about skipping Michael Johnson?

It came out that he played with a sports hernia last year. He could easily be a guy that ends up looking like a steal.
Well, we did grab some OLBs... but if they turn out to be duds, then phooey!

I'm more worried about OL, DL, ILB. Same ole story. But hey, maybe... just maybe we've finally fixed Safety.

Burns336
07-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Well, we did grab some OLBs... but if they turn out to be duds, then phooey!

I'm more worried about OL, DL, ILB. Same ole story. But hey, maybe... just maybe we've finally fixed Safety.

I'd rather have MJ behind Ware and Spencer than both Butler and the t tech dude...

With all the picks we had we could have easily had Jason Williams and MJ, or Gilbert and Williams

LonghornsLegend
07-30-2009, 02:28 PM
How about skipping Michael Johnson?

It came out that he played with a sports hernia last year. He could easily be a guy that ends up looking like a steal.

MJ had no business in a 3-4 defense, he landed in a good spot right where he was at.


Somehow I could easily see him being a bust in a 3-4 and everyone blaming Jerruh for wasting a pick on a guy who didn't produce like he should have and was intrigued by his physical skillset, you know everyone would too.



He's really tall and lanky and seemed unmotivated, I don't think he was a good fit here at all.

D-Unit
07-30-2009, 03:03 PM
MJ had no business in a 3-4 defense, he landed in a good spot right where he was at.


Somehow I could easily see him being a bust in a 3-4 and everyone blaming Jerruh for wasting a pick on a guy who didn't produce like he should have and was intrigued by his physical skillset, you know everyone would too.



He's really tall and lanky and seemed unmotivated, I don't think he was a good fit here at all.
But if Jerry spends the kind of money it would cost to get Peppers then he did make an idiot move. MJ isn't as good as Peppers, but he wouldn't have cost as much either. The talent to cost ratio would've made MJ a good pick.

But that is a far fetched thought, I'll admit. But is Peppers really being a far fetched thought for Jerry? I may have to reconsider... Jerry would do it, if desperate enough.

But passing MJ in the draft doesn't bother me at all. We got bodies to challenge for backup OLB spots. Crap... we probably could've found bodies to fill those spots in UDFA... but that's just another reason to make me more pissed about this draft.

We passed up on top talent and just got too cute trading down for more picks. I'll be surprised if more than a third of the guys are on the final 53 man roster.

thule
07-31-2009, 12:02 AM
D you've gone dilusional this offseason. Julius Peppers vs MJ in a cost to benefit situation...holy hell I hope we start the season hot so you snap out of this.

MJ won't even have a sack this year I bet...that would be paying money for nothing..atleast if you get Peppers you know your going to get production...does it warrant to cost...who knows..but atleast he has shown he can get it done on the field...MJ is a joke who will do nothing in the NFL.

thule
08-01-2009, 10:21 PM
I just wanna go on record right now saying that Vince Oghobaase is my favorite senior prospect for us.

I love Lang/Spikes/Sapp/Kindle but I don't see us with any of them.

http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics3/400/RY/RYDNZRJEKSLDASP.20071023152123.jpg

This kid is going to be a stud. He could go has high as the top 10 this year imo...looking at how 5techs were drafted this year. But I think late first is somewhat realistic at this point in the process.

I'd say he reminds me a lot of Canty coming out at this point. Only difference is to me...is he is a little more athletic...but not as much of an NFL build coming out. Canty's body was ready his rookie year...I don't think Vince will quite be on that level...although he is physically impressive too.

D-Unit
08-01-2009, 10:35 PM
D you've gone dilusional this offseason. Julius Peppers vs MJ in a cost to benefit situation...holy hell I hope we start the season hot so you snap out of this.

MJ won't even have a sack this year I bet...that would be paying money for nothing..atleast if you get Peppers you know your going to get production...does it warrant to cost...who knows..but atleast he has shown he can get it done on the field...MJ is a joke who will do nothing in the NFL.
Maybe so, but it's not like Brewster is gonna do anything for us this year and I have more questions about his future than MJs. MJ ain't even my guy tho. I just decided to mention that I'd rather have him than Brewster. MJ is Burn's guy. My guy is Rey. ...and I wanted to move up for his ass.

If Peppers comes here... I'll laugh. Laugh at the cost.

...and if you think Vince is a top 10 guy, we won't be in range for him. I think we'll be bad, but not that bad. I say we'll still be picking in the 20s.

D-Unit
08-02-2009, 02:15 PM
I just wanna go on record right now saying that Vince Oghobaase is my favorite senior prospect for us.

I love Lang/Spikes/Sapp/Kindle but I don't see us with any of them.

http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics3/400/RY/RYDNZRJEKSLDASP.20071023152123.jpg

This kid is going to be a stud. He could go has high as the top 10 this year imo...looking at how 5techs were drafted this year. But I think late first is somewhat realistic at this point in the process.

I'd say he reminds me a lot of Canty coming out at this point. Only difference is to me...is he is a little more athletic...but not as much of an NFL build coming out. Canty's body was ready his rookie year...I don't think Vince will quite be on that level...although he is physically impressive too.
Nice Pick! VO has some hype behind him this season. Will be interesting to see him pan out.

As for me, I think Russell Okung is my #1 guy this season. Trent Williams is awfully close though. They are like 1a and 1b.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_M7sEz3FCx9c/Sh_MJpzeerI/AAAAAAAAAE8/z5z1MhExTHI/s320/Russell+Okung.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_M7sEz3FCx9c/Sh_MJuaa88I/AAAAAAAAAFE/KcAd1FeWmbk/s320/Trent+Williams.jpg

I think LT is priority #1, 2 & 3 for us this year. Everything else is icing. The good thing is that the OT class actually looks pretty deep. I have been impressed with what Sam Young from ND has shown me. Ciron Black first impressed me as a sophomore and so he's a name that has always been hanging around. Selvish Capers, Bryan Bulaga and Anthony Davis will be some of the newer names you'll hear. ...and I'm sure there are others who will step up.

thule
08-02-2009, 03:34 PM
Anthony Davis is a name I love from that list. I think the two guys you mentioned will be out of our range.

thule
08-02-2009, 03:35 PM
Maybe so, but it's not like Brewster is gonna do anything for us this year and I have more questions about his future than MJs. MJ ain't even my guy tho. I just decided to mention that I'd rather have him than Brewster. MJ is Burn's guy. My guy is Rey. ...and I wanted to move up for his ass.

If Peppers comes here... I'll laugh. Laugh at the cost.

...and if you think Vince is a top 10 guy, we won't be in range for him. I think we'll be bad, but not that bad. I say we'll still be picking in the 20s.

I think Vince "could" go top 10. Similar to the way Jackson did this year...although they don't have top 10 talent they are the top of a top 10 position it appears. It'll be interesting to see...but I still think 18-25 would be realistic to land him.

For the record my guy was Oher on draft day. I though we should have moved up and landed him.

D-Unit
08-03-2009, 02:02 PM
I think Vince "could" go top 10. Similar to the way Jackson did this year...although they don't have top 10 talent they are the top of a top 10 position it appears. It'll be interesting to see...but I still think 18-25 would be realistic to land him.

For the record my guy was Oher on draft day. I though we should have moved up and landed him.
Hmm... I don't think I ever heard you say that before. Seeing him drop to where he was drafted, wasn't a big surprise. To me, the big surprise was Maualuga to Round 2. I was praying for Jerry to make a move. In fact, I mentioned several times that if Rey lasts to pick 20 that I'd officially HATE the Roy Williams trade. I was all aboard that decision to make the trade for Roy. Wrote many times how it was a smart move by Jerry. Sad to say now, that I retract everything I said about that trade. It sucked ass.

The crazy thing is that supposedly the Cowboys were interested in Maclin!!! WTF Jerry?!! I swear... If we draft a WR in Round 1 in 2010, I'll be one sour SOB around here.

Burns336
08-03-2009, 06:14 PM
MJ had no business in a 3-4 defense, he landed in a good spot right where he was at.


Somehow I could easily see him being a bust in a 3-4 and everyone blaming Jerruh for wasting a pick on a guy who didn't produce like he should have and was intrigued by his physical skillset, you know everyone would too.



He's really tall and lanky and seemed unmotivated, I don't think he was a good fit here at all.

He's really not unmotivated at all, In fact if you read any of MJ's interviews he doesn't believe he is entitled to anything. He's a hard worker and an awesome athlete, I hope and think he'll do well.

He played through a sports hernia last year but didn't use it as an excuse. It didn't even come out until after the draft.

I think he would be a good OLB, especially in a rotation with Ware and Spencer. In the 3rd round it should be a no brainer.

We will be sorry when we see what both Rey and MJ do for the Bengals.

D-Unit
08-05-2009, 01:40 PM
He's really not unmotivated at all, In fact if you read any of MJ's interviews he doesn't believe he is entitled to anything. He's a hard worker and an awesome athlete, I hope and think he'll do well.

He played through a sports hernia last year but didn't use it as an excuse. It didn't even come out until after the draft.

I think he would be a good OLB, especially in a rotation with Ware and Spencer. In the 3rd round it should be a no brainer.

We will be sorry when we see what both Rey and MJ do for the Bengals.
Oh what could have been...

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/21880/45469_bengals_maualuga_large.jpg

xxxxxxxx
08-06-2009, 08:51 PM
O-Line needs to be the focus for the next 2, yes 2, drafts.

Every single starter is over 30. This is one of jerry's worst talent development plans in his entire his. And im not a jerry hater, but that's saying alot. Besides holland, we might as well not even keep back ups. haha.

hell, to be honest id rather give ratliff a shot playing both ways than have proctor fill in again. hahaaa

thule
08-07-2009, 12:40 AM
O-Line needs to be the focus for the next 2, yes 2, drafts.

Every single starter is over 30. This is one of jerry's worst talent development plans in his entire his. And im not a jerry hater, but that's saying alot. Besides holland, we might as well not even keep back ups. haha.

hell, to be honest id rather give ratliff a shot playing both ways than have proctor fill in again. hahaaa

I love the Leonard Davis to LT talks. I remember people thinking that it was dumb and we wouldn't move a probowl RG to LT where he failed before...but with those reps he's getting I could see a move to LT. Depends where we are drafting and who is coaching. I don't think OL is a overly huge concern....hurts to lose your rookie depth before TC...so now we play the waiting game...if Free doesn't show he can play this preseason...it's time to find a new guy...but we've never taken a LT in the first round...and i have a feeling that we'd rather move davis and draft a guy with potential than start a rookie for w/e reason. OG class doesn't look that strong to me...so i'd guess we'd look at c/og tweener that could be solid depth....Unger would have fit perfect here...playing 4 positions on the ol.

Next year is uncapped and we look to be moving from a recession to a stagnant market...so I could see us being big spenders again if we fail. If we win...we will probably have an offseason similar to this one.

LonghornsLegend
08-07-2009, 12:46 AM
I'm still not exactly sure why we passed up Beatty *sigh* It's not like there were many LT prospects available, and he was sitting there, would of been perfect to groom for a year.

D-Unit
08-15-2009, 03:44 AM
This season instead of having a weekly Top 10 list for players I like for our first pick, I'm going to simplify it and just have a Cowboys Watch List. Each week I'm going to add 2-3 names, so by the end of the season it should be a nice list of guys I'd like us to draft. Once I list them, I'm never taking them off the list. Just because I think it'll be interesting for myself to see how I do. You all are more than welcome to do the same or do something else. I think that's the fun of it all anyways.

I know the season hasn't started yet, but there are some guys that I'm really excited to follow this year, so I'll start off with these 3.

D-Unit's Cowboys Watch List

Preseason

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- OT Bryan Bulaga, Iowa - The guy has got a funky name, but what I've seen of him makes me very excited. The last guy that got me this excited was Justin Blalock, but he was a Guard prospect. Bulaga is one bad man. Complete mauler in every sense of the word. Finishes his blocks to the whistle. Shows great power, but more impressive is his balance combined with it. To top it off, he gets to the second level very fast and knows how to MOVE. Very impressed to say the least. Right now, he's my #1 tackle prospect. There I said it.

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- DT Geno Atkins, Georgia - Atkins intrigues me because he's loaded with talent, but is coming off a season ending injury that prevented him from playing last year. I can't help but think of Warren Sapp when I see him play. At 6'1, he's got the ability to use leverage at his advantage. Power, size, aggression. People were calling him an early first rounder before the injury. I hope he finishes off a great Senior campaign. I think he can play any DT position along the line in any defensive front.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04msbHn3ZHcd7/610x.jpg

- NT Dan Williams, Tennesee - Williams is just a sleeper name at the moment. Did a little research on him and like what I hear. Leadership. True NT who commands a double team. Doesn't miss assignments. Disrupts the backfield occassionally, but true strength is in run stuffing. Stands 6'3", 326. A clogger who is being mentioned as a 3rd rounder, but could climb the charts with a good year. Could be a gem, could be a flop. He's on this list cause I want to "watch" him closely.

pocketaces
08-15-2009, 07:33 AM
F Safety! ...and F being sucky enough that we have a high enough pick for Eric "Mr. Overrated" Berry.

Since I want a LT in Round 1 next year, I'll be watching these guys this year:

First Tier

Trent Williams Oklahoma, 6'5", 309 - Sr

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/66/666746.jpg

Just an update on Trent Williams, Kevin Wilson said he's the best O-Lineman he has ever coached. He said he coached two guys who went to the pro bowl last year and Trent is better than either. He also said its not even close. High praise from OU's O.C.

D-Unit
08-15-2009, 12:31 PM
F Safety! ...and F being sucky enough that we have a high enough pick for Eric "Mr. Overrated" Berry.

Since I want a LT in Round 1 next year, I'll be watching these guys this year:

First Tier

Trent Williams Oklahoma, 6'5", 309 - Sr

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/66/666746.jpg

Just an update on Trent Williams, Kevin Wilson said he's the best O-Lineman he has ever coached. He said he coached two guys who went to the pro bowl last year and Trent is better than either. He also said its not even close. High praise from OU's O.C.
Yeah, but has he coached Bulaga??? haha jk. I do love Williams too. Just the inexperience at LT doesn't sit well right now. By draft time, he'll just have 1 year. I think he's a sound technician, but I don't see the fire in him that I've recently found in Bulaga.

Paul
08-15-2009, 12:41 PM
It's great the two positions we were all talking about last year, LT and NT, are still the positions we're talking about today. :(

pocketaces
08-15-2009, 12:42 PM
Yeah, but has he coached Bulaga??? haha jk. I do love Williams too. Just the inexperience at LT doesn't sit well right now. By draft time, he'll just have 1 year. I think he's a sound technician, but I don't see the fire in him that I've recently found in Bulaga.

Yeah but Bulaga is white...haha:rolleyes:

D-Unit
08-16-2009, 02:48 AM
It's great the two positions we were all talking about last year, LT and NT, are still the positions we're talking about today. :(
This draft was/is/will be a catastrophy. 13 F'n picks and we come away with JAGs.

D-Unit
08-16-2009, 02:51 AM
Yeah but Bulaga is white...haha:rolleyes:
Where is Parcells when you need him??! haha.

Don't get confused. I like A LOT of white OL. I seriously questioned Parcells' eye for OL talent and pointed out that he seemed to love white OL. But I hope you didn't interpret that as me not liking white OL.

Columbo is my favorite OL on the team. I loved Jake Long and I even wanted Free.

thule
08-18-2009, 12:20 PM
Bryan Bulaga is a Jr right? I don't see him coming out. Big 10 OL almost always seem to play 4 years. The Gallery talks are already starting to come out tho. I've read a couple of articles about him so far...I'm not sold yet though...I've never even paid attention to him when I've seen Iowa games.

D-Unit
08-18-2009, 12:58 PM
Bryan Bulaga is a Jr right? I don't see him coming out. Big 10 OL almost always seem to play 4 years. The Gallery talks are already starting to come out tho. I've read a couple of articles about him so far...I'm not sold yet though...I've never even paid attention to him when I've seen Iowa games.
Yeah he is a Junior. He'll be a widely talked about prospect this year for very good reasons. As a sophomore, I thought he dominated his competition. People can compare him to Gallery if they want to. Same school, so the critics like to do stuff like that. I think that's a pretty lame way to compare players, so it's whatevers in my mind. I don't pay attention to it. I must admit, I only know about him from watching youtube clips. But I've been watching a lot of the stuff out there for all of the top OL prospects. So far, Bulaga impresses me the most by far. Quick analysis:

Juniors
Bulaga - Plays with power, great balance, plays to the whistle, great in getting to the second level.
Davis - Big, physical, strong and nasty. The kind of OL that Houck would love. I wonder if he'll declare.
Solder - Tall at 6'9", but only 305. Haven't seen him play yet.
Carimi - Wisconsin chucks 'em out, but I haven't seen much of him yet.

Seniors
Okung - Great feet, long arms, athletic, finesse lineman
Williams - Smart technician, smooth, mistake free, no experience at LT yet, would like to see more nastiness.
Black - Does everything well, nothing outstanding, experienced, athletic, strong
Capers - Finesse pass blocker, but active in the run game and can move very well.
Young - I really like Young and think he could even take a huge step forward this year for Notre Dame, but I want to see more. If he gets drafted in the 2nd, I think someone gets a steal.

D-Unit
08-20-2009, 12:19 AM
I just wanted to say, if we have another bad draft next year, we'll never be able to recover.

pocketaces
08-20-2009, 08:28 AM
I just wanted to say, if we have another bad draft next year, we'll never be able to recover.

Pretty early to say this year's draft was bad. I know what it looks like right now, but we should atleast let them play a game....

FinChase
08-20-2009, 09:40 AM
I just wanted to say, if we have another bad draft next year, we'll never be able to recover.

We'll recover; we recovered from those bad drafts of the late 90s/early 2000s where we don't have a single player left. That said, while this draft doesn't look promising, let's at least give them a couple of years before declaring the whole draft a bust.

Macarthur
08-24-2009, 02:24 PM
There are folks on here that love to kill the Cowboys about their drafts.

I wanted to make a couple of points about how the Titans who are regarded as a strong franchise with strong coaching, has made some huge mistakes lately:

2007 2nd round - Chris Henry - KP, dude can't play

2006 1st round - #3 pick - Vince Young - KP

2007 - 4th round - Chris Davis, WR - 7 career catches

2007 - 4th round - Leroy Harris, OL - 1 start in 2 years

2006 - 4th round - Calvin Lowrey, DB - No longer with the team

2006 - 5th round - Terna Nande, LB - No longer in the league

I'm not trying to be critical of the Titans; I do this to emphasize the point that we, as Cowboys fans, tend to focus soley on our team's shortcomings. We fail to forget that every team has their successes and failures.

D-Unit
08-25-2009, 04:01 PM
Nice article on Bulaga.

http://hawkcentral.press-citizen.com/article/20090823/HAWKS0104/908230307/1053

He'll probably be out of our range if he declares. :(

D-Unit
08-28-2009, 02:54 PM
D-Unit's Cowboys Watch List

Preseason - 8/14/2009

- OT Bryan Bulaga, Iowa (6'6", 312) - The guy has got a funky name, but what I've seen of him makes me very excited. The last guy that got me this excited was Justin Blalock, but he was a Guard prospect. Bulaga is one bad man. Complete mauler in every sense of the word. Finishes his blocks to the whistle. Shows great power, but more impressive is his balance combined with it. To top it off, he gets to the second level very fast and knows how to MOVE. Very impressed to say the least. Right now, he's my #1 tackle prospect. There I said it.

- DT Geno Atkins, Georgia (6'1", 290) - Atkins intrigues me because he's loaded with talent, but is coming off a season ending injury that prevented him from playing last year. I can't help but think of Warren Sapp when I see him play. At 6'1, he's got the ability to use leverage at his advantage. Power, size, aggression. People were calling him an early first rounder before the injury. I hope he finishes off a great Senior campaign. I think he can play any DT position along the line in any defensive front.

- NT Dan Williams, Tennesee (6'2", 327) - Williams is just a sleeper name at the moment. Did a little research on him and like what I hear. Leadership. True NT who commands a double team. Doesn't miss assignments. Disrupts the backfield occassionally, but true strength is in run stuffing. Stands 6'3", 326. A clogger who is being mentioned as a 3rd rounder, but could climb the charts with a good year. Could be a gem, could be a flop. He's on this list cause I want to "watch" him closely.

Preseason - 8/28/2009

http://undergroundirish.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/f324727.jpg

- WR Golden Tate, Notre Dame - Not sure what it is with the name Tate and WRs, but it's reelin' me in. This year I'm really hoping Golden Tate lives up to the high expectations many have for him. Yeah, we missed out on Brandon Tate last year, but this year my renewed excitement is going to be focused on the new Tate in town... Golden (can't believe that's a real name)! With a good year, I think he'll come out. The Senior class looks really weak and he could take advantage in that. At 5'11", 198 pounds and 4.34-4.44 speed, Golden is one of the top burners in college football. His production was phenomenal last season. He lead the Irish in all-purpose yards (1,754), receptions(10), receiving yards (1,080), receiving touchdowns (10) and total touchdowns (11). The 1,754 all-purpose yards ranks third in Irish history. So much like Brandon Tate, last year, Golden was also an exciting punt and kick returner. I still love Brandon more, but needless to say, I'm starting to get that giddy feeling back once again. :D Projects to be a 2nd round pick, so that's perfect. A 1st is too expensive for a WR. A 3rd or 4th gives us nothing better than what we've got.


http://blog.syracuse.com/orangefootball/2007/09/large_sufootbsall.jpg

- DL Arthur Jones, Syracuse (6'3", 302) - Jones is one of those guys that if we landed in the draft, I'd throw a party over. He's been very consistent in his career at Syracuse. His name was tossed around last year, but he decided to return for his senior season. He has 60 tackles, 13 TFL and 3.5 Sacks last year and 51 tackles and 17.5 TFL as a Sophomore. He attracts a lot of double teams in college, but applies constant pressure. There is some thought that some NFL teams would look to him as a NT. I think for us he could play DE or NT depending how how the team wants to mold him. He's a very good run defender with impressive strength and ball awareness... or so I read. State wrestling champ who understands leverage and uses his knowledge and experience on every snap.

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/draftdogimages/2010%20prospects/ciron-black.jpghttp://media.scout.com/Media/Image/70/703231.jpg

- LT Ciron Black, LSU (6'5", 322) - Much like Herman Johnson last year, I think that Ciron Black's stock will take a hit. Not as bad, but I do think he could realistically last to the 3rd round because he lacks elite athleticism. I could also see him being used as a Guard by some teams. But he's put together a string of 40 straight games at LT for the Bayou Bengals and has had great success in a tough conference. He's not a great technician, nor would I call him light on his feet. Rather, he uses his size, power and mauling style to seal off defenders or overpower them in run blocking. Sounds like Houck type lineman if you ask me.

D-Unit
08-31-2009, 01:41 PM
D-Unit's Cowboys Watch List

Preseason - 8/14/2009

- OT Bryan Bulaga, Iowa (6'6", 312)
The guy has got a funky name, but what I've seen of him makes me very excited. The last guy that got me this excited was Justin Blalock, but he was a Guard prospect. Bulaga is one bad man. Complete mauler in every sense of the word. Finishes his blocks to the whistle. Shows great power, but more impressive is his balance combined with it. To top it off, he gets to the second level very fast and knows how to MOVE. Very impressed to say the least. Right now, he's my #1 tackle prospect. There I said it.

- DT Geno Atkins, Georgia (6'1", 290)
Atkins intrigues me because he's loaded with talent, but is coming off a season ending injury that prevented him from playing last year. I can't help but think of Warren Sapp when I see him play. At 6'1, he's got the ability to use leverage at his advantage. Power, size, aggression. People were calling him an early first rounder before the injury. I hope he finishes off a great Senior campaign. I think he can play any DT position along the line in any defensive front.

- NT Dan Williams, Tennesee (6'2", 327)
Williams is just a sleeper name at the moment. Did a little research on him and like what I hear. Leadership. True NT who commands a double team. Doesn't miss assignments. Disrupts the backfield occassionally, but true strength is in run stuffing. Stands 6'3", 326. A clogger who is being mentioned as a 3rd rounder, but could climb the charts with a good year. Could be a gem, could be a flop. He's on this list cause I want to "watch" him closely.


Preseason - 8/28/2009

- WR Golden Tate, Notre Dame (5'11", 195)
Not sure what it is with the name Tate and WRs, but it's reelin' me in. This year I'm really hoping Golden Tate lives up to the high expectations many have for him. Yeah, we missed out on Brandon Tate last year, but this year my renewed excitement is going to be focused on the new Tate in town... Golden (can't believe that's a real name)! With a good year, I think he'll come out. The Senior class looks really weak and he could take advantage in that. At 5'11", 198 pounds and 4.34-4.44 speed, Golden is one of the top burners in college football. His production was phenomenal last season. He lead the Irish in all-purpose yards (1,754), receptions(10), receiving yards (1,080), receiving touchdowns (10) and total touchdowns (11). The 1,754 all-purpose yards ranks third in Irish history. So much like Brandon Tate, last year, Golden was also an exciting punt and kick returner. I still love Brandon more, but needless to say, I'm starting to get that giddy feeling back once again. :D Projects to be a 2nd round pick, so that's perfect. A 1st is too expensive for a WR. A 3rd or 4th gives us nothing better than what we've got.

- DL Arthur Jones, Syracuse (6'3", 302)
Jones is one of those guys that if we landed in the draft, I'd throw a party over. He's been very consistent in his career at Syracuse. His name was tossed around last year, but he decided to return for his senior season. He has 60 tackles, 13 TFL and 3.5 Sacks last year and 51 tackles and 17.5 TFL as a Sophomore. He attracts a lot of double teams in college, but applies constant pressure. There is some thought that some NFL teams would look to him as a NT. I think for us he could play DE or NT depending how how the team wants to mold him. He's a very good run defender with impressive strength and ball awareness... or so I read. State wrestling champ who understands leverage and uses his knowledge and experience on every snap.


- LT Ciron Black, LSU (6'5", 322)
Much like Herman Johnson last year, I think that Ciron Black's stock will take a hit. Not as bad, but I do think he could realistically last to the 3rd round because he lacks elite athleticism. I could also see him being used as a Guard by some teams. But he's put together a string of 40 straight games at LT for the Bayou Bengals and has had great success in a tough conference. He's not a great technician, nor would I call him light on his feet. Rather, he uses his size, power and mauling style to seal off defenders or overpower them in run blocking. Sounds like Houck type lineman if you ask me.[/QUOTE]


Preseason - 8/31/2009

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- WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma St (6'2", 220)
Dez Bryant right now is ranked as everybody's top ranked WR prospect. So why do I have him here? It's not because I think we're going to tank this year. Instead, I think Bryant will drop. Yeah, the uber-productive wideout has everyone and their sister giddy. He's very chiseled and is physical as hell, but the way I look at it is that from the reports I've read, he's running in the high 4.5 range for his 40. If that's the case, there will be faster WRs, with just as good size, who NFL scouts will hype up leading to the draft and draftniks galore will start to downgrade Bryant. I guarantee the haters will start to come out and some will even call him the next Rashaun Woods. lol. He's up there, but he hasn't secured the top spot yet in my mind.

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- WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois (6'2", 220)
I really haven't sorted out the order in which I like the WRs that might be available in next year's draft, but it's widely anticipated that Benn will declare for the draft since he signed his letter of intent that he'd turn pro after his junior year. Benn has similar size measurables to Bryant, but should be timed faster. He's really quite the specimen. I can easily see him going ahead of Bryant. He's an electric player who also excels on kick returns. Depending on the type of year he has, he could find himself atop the WR draft rankings.

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- WR Damian Williams, USC (6'1", 195)
The Junior WR class is impressive and Damian could very well be one of those WRs that get hyped up over Dez as well. Why? Because his speed is not a question mark. Damian will run a low 4.4 40, if not better. Unlike Bryant and Benn, Williams isn't coming from a spread offense. I know the knock is hard on QBs coming out of that system, but I think WRs will also begin to get scrutinized for this more than they have in the past. Damian coming from Arkansas (does that make him a Jerry guy? lol doubt it), and then USC will be well versed in a more Pro Set offense. I know USC receivers have been come to be known as NFL flake outs, but you can't ignore how talented each one has been graded at coming out. One of these days, someone will break through. Is this the guy? I would like to see him catch more with his hands than his body though.

Macarthur
08-31-2009, 04:27 PM
Here's some names that I've come across that are interesting:

OG Thomas Austin, Clemson, 6-3, 315, 5.16: A versatile, physical offensive lineman with starts at all three interior positions under his belt, Austin was voted the ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week three times last season. Talented and consistent enough to rank among the elite prospects in the country at center and guard, Austin was one of the few bright spots in an otherwise leaky Tiger front last season.

WR/RS Jacoby Ford, Clemson, 5-9, 186, 4.37: The winner of the 60-meter dash (6.52 seconds) in the NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championships March 14, Ford's electric speed makes him one of the most dangerous receivers in the country. Ford lacks great size and isn't yet a polished receiver. He finished last season with solid numbers (55 receptions for 710 yards and three touchdowns) opposite Aaron Kelly, but his rare big-play ability (six career touchdowns of 50-plus yards) makes him one to watch.

Kyle Calloway, OT, Iowa, 6-7, 318, 5.28: Became a starter at left tackle during his sophomore season and then became one of the conference's top linemen on the right side. Coaches named him second-team All-Big Ten in 2008, as he created big holes for Heisman candidate RB Shonn Greene and used his armspan and solid technique to keep pass rushers at bay. NFL teams using zone blocking schemes usually covet Iowa linemen because of their experience in that system, but they'll find Calloway's ability to block on the move especially intriguing.

Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State, 6-4, 305, 5.05: Fans of the Nittany Lions expected great things from Odrick, a Parade All-American coming out of high school. He began to fulfill his promise with a first-team All-Big Ten junior year (41 tackles, 9.5 loss, 4.5 sacks) after missing half of 2007 with a broken left hand and dislocated right ankle. A big season to complete his Penn State career could cause the tall, strong and relatively quick Odrick to jump up boards a la North Carolina's Kentwan Balmer in 2008 (first-round pick by San Francisco).

Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern, 6-6, 270, 4.80: If Wootton had survived the fourth quarter of the Alamo Bowl (torn right ACL), he might be in an NFL training camp right now. Midwest region scouts look forward to seeing if he can regain the pass-rushing ability he consistently showed throughout the 2008 season (16 tackles for loss, 10 sacks) lining up on the strong side. Having the size to hold up against NFL right tackles to go along with that relative quickness off the edge would make him a potential first-round pick.

OG Mike Johnson, Alabama, 6-5, 305, 5.38: Among the most versatile offensive linemen in the country, the veteran of 40 career games, including 27 consecutive starts, has earned action at all four exterior positions. Though rarely acknowledged as highly as left tackle Andre Smith last season, Johnson was a huge contributor to Alabama's physical rushing attack.

WR Brandon LaFell, LSU, 6-3, 209, 4.54: A virtual clone of former LSU standout Dwayne Bowe, LaFell uses his big frame to physically defeat smaller, weaker cornerbacks. LaFell lacks the elite stopwatch speed some teams will demand from a top-10 prospect, but he gains good separation as a route-runner and is tough to tackle in the open field.

Mike Williams, WR, Syracuse, 6-2, 204, 4.49: It will not be surprising if Williams becomes one of the top two or three receivers in his class with an outstanding senior season. He missed the 2008 campaign because Syracuse suspended him for cheating on a test, but returned to Syracuse for spring practices. He has prototypical receiver size, quickness and leaping ability -- and teams still remember the second-team All-Big East (60-837-10) 2007 season he had as a true sophomore in 2007.

Nate Allen, FS, South Florida, 6-1, 206, 4.50: Allen's production took a step backward during his junior year, but his speed and aggressive play are still well worth watching this season. In 2007, Allen stepped onto the national scene by making four interceptions and 83 tackles -- but his tackles (53) and interceptions (1) fell in 2008. Still, Allen's quickness to the ball and fierce hitting style are not to be overlooked. With a solid senior season, Allen may not make it out of the second round next May.

Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia, 6-5, 298, 4.96: Capers protected left-handed QB Pat White's blind side for a season and a half at right tackle after switching from tight end before his sophomore season. Scouts checking out White and more decorated teammate LT Ryan Stanchek quickly noticed the athleticism and surprising strength shown by No. 66. Teams will expect him to continue adding weight to stay over the 300-pound mark during his senior year. if he does, Capers may sneak into the late first round.

Darrell Stuckey, SS, Kansas, 5-11, 205, 4.50: What Stuckey lacks in height, he more than makes up for in determination and athleticism. Physical enough to handle playing in the box (98 tackles) and quick enough to makes plays against the pass (five INTs last season) or track down running backs in the open field, the 2008 first-team All-Big 12 pick could be the second safety off the draft board after Southern California star Taylor Mays.

DT Tyson Alualu, California, 6-3, 295, 4.96 40-yard dash: A virtual Energizer bunny at defensive tackle, Alualu recorded the most tackles from a down lineman from Cal in nearly 15 years with 62 stops, including 11 tackles for loss and six sacks. Quick, strong and passionate, Alualu's production is even more impressive considering he played defensive end in the 3-4 alignment, a position that rarely lends itself to big statistics.

OT Charles Brown, USC, 6-6, 295, 5.16: A former tight end, Brown has a rare combination of mobility, balance and arm length to rank as one of the more intriguing left tackle prospects in the country. Scouts would like to see him develop more strength and nastiness in his second season as a starter after backing up former first-round pick Sam Baker (Atlanta Falcons).

D-Unit
08-31-2009, 07:28 PM
Here's some names that I've come across that are interesting:

OG Thomas Austin, Clemson, 6-3, 315, 5.16: A versatile, physical offensive lineman with starts at all three interior positions under his belt, Austin was voted the ACC Offensive Lineman of the Week three times last season. Talented and consistent enough to rank among the elite prospects in the country at center and guard, Austin was one of the few bright spots in an otherwise leaky Tiger front last season.

I read the exact same thing where you got that info from. :)

WR/RS Jacoby Ford, Clemson, 5-9, 186, 4.37: The winner of the 60-meter dash (6.52 seconds) in the NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championships March 14, Ford's electric speed makes him one of the most dangerous receivers in the country. Ford lacks great size and isn't yet a polished receiver. He finished last season with solid numbers (55 receptions for 710 yards and three touchdowns) opposite Aaron Kelly, but his rare big-play ability (six career touchdowns of 50-plus yards) makes him one to watch.

I wanna know if he's a track guy playing football or a football guy who runs track?

Kyle Calloway, OT, Iowa, 6-7, 318, 5.28: Became a starter at left tackle during his sophomore season and then became one of the conference's top linemen on the right side. Coaches named him second-team All-Big Ten in 2008, as he created big holes for Heisman candidate RB Shonn Greene and used his armspan and solid technique to keep pass rushers at bay. NFL teams using zone blocking schemes usually covet Iowa linemen because of their experience in that system, but they'll find Calloway's ability to block on the move especially intriguing.

I think between Columbo and Brewster (if Brewster is a RT), we have RT settled. Otherwise, I love Sam Young from Notre Dame as the best RT prospect in the draft.

Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State, 6-4, 305, 5.05: Fans of the Nittany Lions expected great things from Odrick, a Parade All-American coming out of high school. He began to fulfill his promise with a first-team All-Big Ten junior year (41 tackles, 9.5 loss, 4.5 sacks) after missing half of 2007 with a broken left hand and dislocated right ankle. A big season to complete his Penn State career could cause the tall, strong and relatively quick Odrick to jump up boards a la North Carolina's Kentwan Balmer in 2008 (first-round pick by San Francisco).

Odrick is intriguing. I think I like others more, but he's definitely one to watch. Penn St. defensive lineman are usually busts, so that scares me.

Corey Wootton, DE, Northwestern, 6-6, 270, 4.80: If Wootton had survived the fourth quarter of the Alamo Bowl (torn right ACL), he might be in an NFL training camp right now. Midwest region scouts look forward to seeing if he can regain the pass-rushing ability he consistently showed throughout the 2008 season (16 tackles for loss, 10 sacks) lining up on the strong side. Having the size to hold up against NFL right tackles to go along with that relative quickness off the edge would make him a potential first-round pick.

Is his ACL healed already? Nice measurables for sure.

OG Mike Johnson, Alabama, 6-5, 305, 5.38: Among the most versatile offensive linemen in the country, the veteran of 40 career games, including 27 consecutive starts, has earned action at all four exterior positions. Though rarely acknowledged as highly as left tackle Andre Smith last season, Johnson was a huge contributor to Alabama's physical rushing attack.

Wanna watch him. Last year he was overshadowed by Andre Smith and Antoine Caldwell.

WR Brandon LaFell, LSU, 6-3, 209, 4.54: A virtual clone of former LSU standout Dwayne Bowe, LaFell uses his big frame to physically defeat smaller, weaker cornerbacks. LaFell lacks the elite stopwatch speed some teams will demand from a top-10 prospect, but he gains good separation as a route-runner and is tough to tackle in the open field.

Honestly, I don't like him at all. I don't like Toliver either

Mike Williams, WR, Syracuse, 6-2, 204, 4.49: It will not be surprising if Williams becomes one of the top two or three receivers in his class with an outstanding senior season. He missed the 2008 campaign because Syracuse suspended him for cheating on a test, but returned to Syracuse for spring practices. He has prototypical receiver size, quickness and leaping ability -- and teams still remember the second-team All-Big East (60-837-10) 2007 season he had as a true sophomore in 2007.

He sounds committed to being a better player this year. Everything was taken away when he was suspended and he didn't even wanna watch them play because he wanted to be out there. He's not the smoothest looking WR when you watch him play, but he put up some fancy stats as a soph.

Nate Allen, FS, South Florida, 6-1, 206, 4.50: Allen's production took a step backward during his junior year, but his speed and aggressive play are still well worth watching this season. In 2007, Allen stepped onto the national scene by making four interceptions and 83 tackles -- but his tackles (53) and interceptions (1) fell in 2008. Still, Allen's quickness to the ball and fierce hitting style are not to be overlooked. With a solid senior season, Allen may not make it out of the second round next May.

Don't know anything about him yet.

Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia, 6-5, 298, 4.96: Capers protected left-handed QB Pat White's blind side for a season and a half at right tackle after switching from tight end before his sophomore season. Scouts checking out White and more decorated teammate LT Ryan Stanchek quickly noticed the athleticism and surprising strength shown by No. 66. Teams will expect him to continue adding weight to stay over the 300-pound mark during his senior year. if he does, Capers may sneak into the late first round.

Finesse guy from reports I've read. Not really into that... but he's an intriguing prospect.

Darrell Stuckey, SS, Kansas, 5-11, 205, 4.50: What Stuckey lacks in height, he more than makes up for in determination and athleticism. Physical enough to handle playing in the box (98 tackles) and quick enough to makes plays against the pass (five INTs last season) or track down running backs in the open field, the 2008 first-team All-Big 12 pick could be the second safety off the draft board after Southern California star Taylor Mays.

Saw him make some plays last year, but I don't really know much about him.

DT Tyson Alualu, California, 6-3, 295, 4.96 40-yard dash: A virtual Energizer bunny at defensive tackle, Alualu recorded the most tackles from a down lineman from Cal in nearly 15 years with 62 stops, including 11 tackles for loss and six sacks. Quick, strong and passionate, Alualu's production is even more impressive considering he played defensive end in the 3-4 alignment, a position that rarely lends itself to big statistics.

Graduated from my High School. Hard to believe he's a legit NFL prospect, but I think he is.

OT Charles Brown, USC, 6-6, 295, 5.16: A former tight end, Brown has a rare combination of mobility, balance and arm length to rank as one of the more intriguing left tackle prospects in the country. Scouts would like to see him develop more strength and nastiness in his second season as a starter after backing up former first-round pick Sam Baker (Atlanta Falcons).

Another finesse tackle. Lots of them in this draft. Okung included. It's why I have Bulaga #1 - He's a bad ass mauler with great balance, power and ability to quickly level guys out on the second level.

Note: You really need to quote your stuff because Scott could get penalized for plagerism. Especially when it's taken word for word.

But nice list.

Macarthur
09-01-2009, 08:53 AM
Note: You really need to quote your stuff because Scott could get penalized for plagerism. Especially when it's taken word for word.

But nice list.

Will do. My bad.

D-Unit
09-05-2009, 12:20 PM
So Scott gave us Damien Williams. Somebody lock that in and throw the key away. :D

dpl85
09-05-2009, 12:50 PM
USC wrs scare me with so many in recent years either underachieving or being huge busts but I guess I shouldn't hold that against Williams.

D-Unit
09-05-2009, 01:24 PM
USC wrs scare me with so many in recent years either underachieving or being huge busts but I guess I shouldn't hold that against Williams.
I know what you mean. There are just so many options that I'll like for us to go this year. As long as we don't trade away our 1st rounder, I think we can't go wrong.... then again... who knows. Maybe we can. lol.

Sniper
09-05-2009, 01:35 PM
USC wrs scare me with so many in recent years either underachieving or being huge busts but I guess I shouldn't hold that against Williams.

Williams is a much different type of player than the USC guys in the NFL right now, though.

dpl85
09-05-2009, 01:37 PM
I think part of the reason we traded down so much in recent years was so Jerry could pay for his Death Star of a stadium and have room for D-Ware obviously.

dpl85
09-05-2009, 01:47 PM
Williams is a much different type of player than the USC guys in the NFL right now, though.
How so? Faster?

Sniper
09-05-2009, 01:48 PM
How so? Faster?

Faster, smaller, quicker, more agile, runs great routes. Williams is only 6'1", 190 lbs. He's super smooth.

Im_a_Romosexual
09-06-2009, 05:49 PM
Thoughts on Dexter McCluster from Ole Miss?

He had a great game today

9 rushes for 50 yards and a TD
6 catches 65 yards TD
also is their Wildcat QB

Put some good moves on defenders also

Burns336
09-07-2009, 06:56 PM
Time to get rid of Deon Anderson...

Im all about Stanly Havili this year. Good enough blocker (as good as Anderson) but a big threat out of the backfield. He can pretty much be moved all over the backfield and into the slot as well.

herniateddisc
09-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Time to get rid of Deon Anderson...

Im all about Stanly Havili this year. Good enough blocker (as good as Anderson) but a big threat out of the backfield. He can pretty much be moved all over the backfield and into the slot as well.

I was told Deon Anderson was a beast when we drafted him. I was just as happy with Oliver Hoyt.

M.O.T.H.
09-07-2009, 09:02 PM
Who told you he was a beast? He was more known for his ST ability as a gunner than for his ability as a fullback.

Really though, we should be looking at less and less formations with a real FB.

herniateddisc
09-07-2009, 09:07 PM
Who told you he was a beast? He was more known for his ST ability as a gunner than for his ability as a fullback.

Really though, we should be looking at less and less formations with a real FB.

I really don't want to go back to the 2007 draft thread. Folks will get very angry at me.

But to your other point, I, personally, have never understood the concept of rendering a 5th skill player useless. That is what FBs have become. Anderson is useless IMHO. For that, you might as well go two TE all the time and move them around.

D-Unit
09-08-2009, 08:37 PM
Time to get rid of Deon Anderson...

Im all about Stanly Havili this year. Good enough blocker (as good as Anderson) but a big threat out of the backfield. He can pretty much be moved all over the backfield and into the slot as well.
Havili was a warrior for the Trojans. Guess he never made our roster, but I would've been ok with swapping out Anderson.

I thought Garrett would be interested in finding the next Daryl Johnston for his offense (not saying Havili was that guy), but we haven't seen it yet.

Burns336
09-08-2009, 09:17 PM
Havili was a warrior for the Trojans. Guess he never made our roster, but I would've been ok with swapping out Anderson.

I thought Garrett would be interested in finding the next Daryl Johnston for his offense (not saying Havili was that guy), but we haven't seen it yet.

No Havili is a senior at SC. He'll be coming out this year. I'm sure he'd be an upgrade, but I'm not sure the pick it's going to take to get him would be worth it. He'll probably get scooped in the 3rd by someone...

I mean Brian Leonard was a 2nd rounder right?

D-Unit
09-09-2009, 07:20 PM
No Havili is a senior at SC. He'll be coming out this year. I'm sure he'd be an upgrade, but I'm not sure the pick it's going to take to get him would be worth it. He'll probably get scooped in the 3rd by someone...

I mean Brian Leonard was a 2nd rounder right?
Ah ok. Makes sense since I don't recall talk about this guy in the draft last year. Thing I like about him is that he knows how to hold onto the ball even when getting blasted.

FinChase
09-11-2009, 09:03 AM
Anyone familiar with Rashad Jones, S, Georgia? On the GBN site, they have projected Dallas taking him in the 1st round. I doubt we go safety that early, but I was curious. I've heard lots about Mays and Berry, but this guy is new to me.

D-Unit
09-15-2009, 07:55 PM
D-Unit's Cowboys Watch List

Preseason - 8/14/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------

- OT Bryan Bulaga, Iowa (6'6", 312)
The guy has got a funky name, but what I've seen of him makes me very excited. The last guy that got me this excited was Justin Blalock, but he was a Guard prospect. Bulaga is one bad man. Complete mauler in every sense of the word. Finishes his blocks to the whistle. Shows great power, but more impressive is his balance combined with it. To top it off, he gets to the second level very fast and knows how to MOVE. Very impressed to say the least. Right now, he's my #1 tackle prospect. There I said it.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Iowa almost lost. Fialed to have a 100 yard rusher... and some are saying he's a RT prospect??? I still say keep him on the Left.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - I watched the Iowa game intermittently, but didn't see Bulaga on the field at all. Instead #77 was lined up at LT. Will look into the reason why.

- DT Geno Atkins, Georgia (6'1", 290)
Atkins intrigues me because he's loaded with talent, but is coming off a season ending injury that prevented him from playing last year. I can't help but think of Warren Sapp when I see him play. At 6'1, he's got the ability to use leverage at his advantage. Power, size, aggression. People were calling him an early first rounder before the injury. I hope he finishes off a great Senior campaign. I think he can play any DT position along the line in any defensive front.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - I almost wanna say he was a complete non-factor. Finished the game with 1 tackle in a losing effort against OSU. Hasn't "bounced back" from injury yet. Plus, I confused him with Jeff Owens. lol. My bad.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - Kade Weston and Jeff Owens are on the rise. Atkins is falling.

- NT Dan Williams, Tennesee (6'2", 327)
Williams is just a sleeper name at the moment. Did a little research on him and like what I hear. Leadership. True NT who commands a double team. Doesn't miss assignments. Disrupts the backfield occassionally, but true strength is in run stuffing. Stands 6'3", 326. A clogger who is being mentioned as a 3rd rounder, but could climb the charts with a good year. Could be a gem, could be a flop. He's on this list cause I want to "watch" him closely.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - With the season not going as planned (his personal one included), Williams showed some leadership and said this. "This right here could make our season," UT senior defensive tackle Dan Williams said. "We can come back as a team or we can be divided. It's very important that we put this behind us."

Preseason - 8/28/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------

- WR Golden Tate, Notre Dame (5'11", 195)
Not sure what it is with the name Tate and WRs, but it's reelin' me in. This year I'm really hoping Golden Tate lives up to the high expectations many have for him. Yeah, we missed out on Brandon Tate last year, but this year my renewed excitement is going to be focused on the new Tate in town... Golden (can't believe that's a real name)! With a good year, I think he'll come out. The Senior class looks really weak and he could take advantage in that. At 5'11", 198 pounds and 4.34-4.44 speed, Golden is one of the top burners in college football. His production was phenomenal last season. He lead the Irish in all-purpose yards (1,754), receptions(10), receiving yards (1,080), receiving touchdowns (10) and total touchdowns (11). The 1,754 all-purpose yards ranks third in Irish history. So much like Brandon Tate, last year, Golden was also an exciting punt and kick returner. I still love Brandon more, but needless to say, I'm starting to get that giddy feeling back once again. :D Projects to be a 2nd round pick, so that's perfect. A 1st is too expensive for a WR. A 3rd or 4th gives us nothing better than what we've got.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Taylor got all the love from Clausen in Game 1. Tate didn't leave much of a mark on this game, but he's still got skillz.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - I have the game on DVR but haven't watched it yet. From the stat sheet, Tate finally got some love from Jimmy. I have to say though... Floyd is a much better player, but isn't eligible for the draft (I think). Tate might be a 3rd rounder right now in my guess.

- DL Arthur Jones, Syracuse (6'3", 302)
Jones is one of those guys that if we landed in the draft, I'd throw a party over. He's been very consistent in his career at Syracuse. His name was tossed around last year, but he decided to return for his senior season. He has 60 tackles, 13 TFL and 3.5 Sacks last year and 51 tackles and 17.5 TFL as a Sophomore. He attracts a lot of double teams in college, but applies constant pressure. There is some thought that some NFL teams would look to him as a NT. I think for us he could play DE or NT depending how how the team wants to mold him. He's a very good run defender with impressive strength and ball awareness... or so I read. State wrestling champ who understands leverage and uses his knowledge and experience on every snap.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Had an active game and finished with 5 tackles and 1 TFL. He's gotta get into that backfield more if he wants to be deserving of the adoration he's getting.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - Continuing to rise draft boards. Run stuffer: check. He helped hold Penn St's RB Evan Royster to 41 yards and 78 total rushing yards. PSU won, but 3 TDs came through the air.

- LT Ciron Black, LSU (6'5", 322)
Much like Herman Johnson last year, I think that Ciron Black's stock will take a hit. Not as bad, but I do think he could realistically last to the 3rd round because he lacks elite athleticism. I could also see him being used as a Guard by some teams. But he's put together a string of 40 straight games at LT for the Bayou Bengals and has had great success in a tough conference. He's not a great technician, nor would I call him light on his feet. Rather, he uses his size, power and mauling style to seal off defenders or overpower them in run blocking. Sounds like Houck type lineman if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Looking like a Round 2/3 prospect. Wasn't overly impressive against Washington.

Preseason - 8/31/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------

- WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma St (6'2", 220)
Dez Bryant right now is ranked as everybody's top ranked WR prospect. So why do I have him here? It's not because I think we're going to tank this year. Instead, I think Bryant will drop. Yeah, the uber-productive wideout has everyone and their sister giddy. He's very chiseled and is physical as hell, but the way I look at it is that from the reports I've read, he's running in the high 4.5 range for his 40. If that's the case, there will be faster WRs, with just as good size, who NFL scouts will hype up leading to the draft and draftniks galore will start to downgrade Bryant. I guarantee the haters will start to come out and some will even call him the next Rashaun Woods. lol. He's up there, but he hasn't secured the top spot yet in my mind.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Dez Bryant took the best that Georgia could bring and got completely leveled many a time. Bounced back up after each hit. Dropped a couple, but also made some highlight plays. I was really impressed with his effort and ability.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - OSU lost to Houston, but not because of Dez who won Big 12 POW honors. He helped ignite a comeback from a 21-point deficit in the Cowboys' eventual loss to Houston. Bryant had an 82-yard punt return for a touchdown against Houston -- his third career punt return for a score -- and also two kickoff returns for 43 yards. Bryant is averaging 37.0 yards per return on his punt returns so far this season. I admit, he's every bit as good as everyone said. He's moved up to the #1 WR prospect rank.

- WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois (6'2", 220)
I really haven't sorted out the order in which I like the WRs that might be available in next year's draft, but it's widely anticipated that Benn will declare for the draft since he signed his letter of intent that he'd turn pro after his junior year. Benn has similar size measurables to Bryant, but should be timed faster. He's really quite the specimen. I can easily see him going ahead of Bryant. He's an electric player who also excels on kick returns. Depending on the type of year he has, he could find himself atop the WR draft rankings.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Got hurt and left for the rest of the game. Reports are that he'll be ready for this week's game.

- WR Damian Williams, USC (6'1", 195)
The Junior WR class is impressive and Damian could very well be one of those WRs that get hyped up over Dez as well. Why? Because his speed is not a question mark. Damian will run a low 4.4 40, if not better. Unlike Bryant and Benn, Williams isn't coming from a spread offense. I know the knock is hard on QBs coming out of that system, but I think WRs will also begin to get scrutinized for this more than they have in the past. Damian coming from Arkansas (does that make him a Jerry guy? lol doubt it), and then USC will be well versed in a more Pro Set offense. I know USC receivers have been come to be known as NFL flake outs, but you can't ignore how talented each one has been graded at coming out. One of these days, someone will break through. Is this the guy? I would like to see him catch more with his hands than his body though.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Matt Barkley was nursed like a baby as SC ran the ball a lot in a blow out of San Jose St. Until Barkley gets a grip, I fear Damien's numbers will hurt.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - OK, something really bothered me when I watched the OSU game. Damien didn't look like a receiver who caught the ball with his hands. He's a craddler. I hate that. If I see more of him trying to basket catch his passes, then he's going way down my list. I like receivers who catch with their hands. Mediocre-Bad game. He dropped some.

Week 1 - 9/8/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------------

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- OT Anthony Davis, Rutgers (6'6", 325)
After Bryan Bulaga, Anthony Davis is #2 on my wish list. Both of them are Juniors, hopefully at least 1 declares. As the draft approaches, I just know the talk about this kid is gonna ramp up big time. Hopefully, he doesn't get overhyped. I would put him on the same level as Michael Oher and Jeff Otah in recent previous years. Both of them ended up being mid-late first round picks. He's a Hudson Houck lineman through and through, so that's why he and Bulaga top my list over the other more heralded finesse or technician type lineman. Ciron Black comes in 3rd for me at the moment (and I think he's a 2nd rounder). Back to Davis... he's had weight issues in the past, so that's something to watch for. He's a Jersey kid, so Parcells and his tree branch line of HCs throughout the league better keep their grubby hands off him. ;)

Wk1: 9/8/2009 - Davis yielded 1 1/2 sacks and gave up two tackles-for-loss in his matchup against Cincinnati defensive end Ricardo Mathews.

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- FS Nate Allen, UCF (6'1", 206)
His nickname is "Golden Boy". Another safety that I haven't seen much, but love what I read about him. Actually, I have found myself liking a lot of the talent coming from that program. George Selvie, Mike Jenkins and that MLB who's name escapes me at the moment... They come with an underdog mentality but are just as rabid as the other Florida kids that go to Florida, FSU and Miami. Allen is said to be quick to the ball and a fierce hitter. Looks to have good size too. He had a team-high 10 tackles and also forced a fumble in a 40-7 win and jumped on my radar in doing so. ;)

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - 7 tackles, 1 PD... Lovin' this kid, but want to see him against better competition.

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- S Darrell Stuckey, Kansas (5'11", 205)
No, this isn't the Guard from the Detroit Pistons. :D This one is actually a real football player. lol. From the reports I read, Stuckey sounds like a real stud. Total high character guy who also is an excellent special teamer to boot. I haven't seen him play much but his stock is rated around the 2nd round range. Not sure if that is too high or too low or just right. He's definitely active in the secondary though. Finished with 98 tackles and 5 INTs. Comes from a pass happy conference so I think those numbers are inflated a bit, however they are nice to see. Is talked about as a strong safety on the next level, so we'll see. On the watch list now though... Had 4 tackles and a QB hurry last weekend.


Week 2 - 9/15/2009 -----------------------------------------------------------------

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- DT Phil Taylor, Baylor (6'4", 355)
After the Bucs ran all over us, the first thing I had to do when thinking about this week's prospects was to bust out Phil Taylor's name. Taylor is a transfer from Penn St. What's up with these big DTs transferring from PSU? Remember Chris Baker last year? I mean look at the size of his head!!! lol. I briefly spoke about him in the Prospects forum and chatted about him with Scott a couple of weeks ago. I have high hopes for this wall of a man. Unlike Mount Cody, Taylor doesn't play sloppy. He's physical, will bull rush the hell out of you and most importantly he's one of the few true NTs out there. He's just a junior though, so he'll have to boost his stock high enough to gain recognition or he could just go back to school. I have no idea where his stock would be right now, but I don't think we'd have to spend a 1st or 2nd on him, so that's great imo. Last week against Wake Forest he had a TFL and even an INT! Yeah baby!

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- WR Jacoby Ford, Clemson (5'9", 185)
Our receiving corps looks fine so far. To the point where I think drafting a first round WR would be a mistake. The last thing I want is another prima donna WR who wants the ball or throw fits. In comes Ford. He's a total team player, genuine character who won't bring a fuss and won't be a high draft pick. 3rd/4th round maybe? But one things for sure, he's got speed and plenty to burn. He's a track star national champion (he won the 60-meter dash (6.52 seconds) in the NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championships)... who is a football player first, track star second. ...and a big key for me... he uses his hands to haul in passes. ;) I think he could nicely compliment our WR unit. Speed is not something that we're in huge supply of.


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- OG Brandon Carter, Texas Tech (6'6", 326)
I know there have got to be some of you Texans out there that love the intensity that Brandon Carter brings to the field. He's a maniac on the field, off the sidelines or heck I bet even at home! lmao. He moved into Guard after playing some tackle, but that's just a credit to his ability. I would love to find a spot for him on our OL. Bye bye Kosier, hello Carter? Oh I wish. For those of you who catch a lot of Texas Tech games, what say you? Am I just enamored with his vibe or is he really legit? He's on my watch list for me to find out.

Paul
09-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Brandon Carter would fit right in with Free Reign. I do really like Phil Taylor though.

LonghornsLegend
09-15-2009, 11:00 PM
Appreciate these updates D, really help out alot before I get into the nitty gritty and all the guys I like alot. Though Carter caught my eye too, so let's see what he does Saturday night.


I wanted Vasquez last year, so maybe we get a Tech guard this year. I'm really worried about the long term outlook of our offensive line. Flo is old now, Gurode and Davis will be there pretty soon along with Columbo, be nice if we had at least one guy behind them we felt comfortable about starting. I wouldn't mind one big huge offensive line haul where we bring in like 4 guys and see what they can do and who makes the cut.

herniateddisc
09-17-2009, 09:50 PM
Would be nice to have a draft with 13 picks where we just take DL, LB and OL.

Burns336
09-19-2009, 03:03 PM
Jurrel Casey has stuck out to me in every USC game so far... sticking out again against Washington. Real interested in looking into this guy. Looks to be an awesome potential NT/DE

Go Cowboys
09-20-2009, 07:49 PM
THose are some great updates D thanks

thule
09-21-2009, 03:44 PM
Thule's Top 5

Eric Berry - I'm going to keep him here. Because A) we don't know how high we will be picking. and B) he is the type of player that probably doesn't have the elite physical tools of a Taylor Mays and others in the top 5...however once he falls out of those slots his value sky rockets. He reminds me a ton of Laron Landry coming out. Someone who most people realize is the best defensive player in the draft...but might slip a tad. No matter what this guy is a top 15 lock...but with the way Hamlin has been playing and where his contract is at and Sensy only having a one year deal...Safety could be a huge need for us. Watkins and Hamlin are Jags at this point....a elite Safety could be just what the doctor ordered. Think of every elite defense in the NFL and think of their safeties...this is what we are missing.

Brandon Spikes - Watch a Florida game and all you see is this guy making plays. He can do everything on the field and our ILB depth is trash. Bobby Carpenter could be in his last year and who knows if Brooking is around next year if a coaching change happens. Spikes is probably a late first rounder this year due to not having the elite speed...but he is still quick and I can't see him falling out of the first round. He is a playmaker in every sense of the word. I'd love to have him on our team.

Corey Wootton - Who knows what will happen with Spears next year. But here is a guy that might be worth the flyer. Injury concerns will cause him to drop but he is a top 20 talent. He could start for us day one imo. He wins battles at the point of attack and can rush the passer. Some teams are even looking at him to stand up in the 3-4 thats what type of athleticism he has.

Brandon Lang - My favorite pass rusher in this draft. I'm not sure where he will go on draft day but I love this guy. He simply has that "it" factor. Not sure if we will go this direction...but this guy can get to the QB.

Vince Oghobaase - My favorite 3-4 DE in the draft...his hype will only rise as it gets closer to draft time. This guy wil lbe a better DE than Jackson who was taken #3 overall. I don't think he will go that high since he plays for Duke...but this guy is HIGH on my board.

Sergio Kindle - I loved Kindle last year and thought he might be able to play inside for us with his athletism. However he is being touted as a rush backer by every scout in the nation. He hasn't produced much yet this year...so his stock is slightly falling...but come workout time this guy will likely shoot up. Perfect example of a guy who has a NFL type body. He would be a good LB for us.

Dez Bryant - TO Jr. is all I have to say about this guy. I'm not sure if he has the same attitude...but this guy is a player. Will make a impact from day one. I don't think we need a WR but this guy is special.

Allen Bailey - Another DL guy. He is a physical freak. Mario Williams is being tied to him from a physical standpoint. However this guy is a force on the field this year too. He is one of those guys you draft even if you don't have a need at the position. He'd play DE for us.

Eric Decker - I'll probably be trashed for this pick. But Decker is the definition of a football player. He plays hard every snap and does everything it takes to win. If college had a MVP it should be him...because noone does for their team what he does. He is a stud. Some might tout him as a possession guy...but he gets separation at every level. I'm not sure how he'd fit in our offense...but Austin is a FA...and I'm still not a big fan of Crayton. This guy is what our team needs. Someone who plays his all every game. And makes it show in the result of the game.

thule
09-21-2009, 03:48 PM
D...this is for you from PFW

5. OLB Sean Weatherspoon, #12
(6-1, 246, 4.5e) Missouri

Instinctive, fast-flowing weak-side linebacker with a great nose for the ball and an exceptional football-playing temperament. Makes plays all over the field (see Alamo Bowl vs. Northwestern) and has a knack for being in the right place at the right time (see Illinois). Breaks down well in space and can secure open-field tackles. Plays a bit upright and has some hip tightness that appears to restrict his movement, but still shows outstanding range and agility. Explosive hitter. Lined up inside at times and has the strength to take on blocks and play in the middle. Also possesses the speed to easily blanket the field on the outside and excel in coverage. Closes fast to the ball and is explosive on contact. Excellent balance — is seldom on the ground. Times up blitzes well and has very good finishing speed. Football IQ, intangibles and character are all outstanding. Well-respected team captain and vocal on-field leader. The most freakish linebacker to come out of the draft since Patrick Willis, Weatherspoon should make an immediate impact in the NFL and possesses "special" traits. Top-10 talent.

Projected round: 1

thule
09-21-2009, 03:56 PM
Also...I'm sure some will comment on my lack of OT on my big board.

But to be frank, I think this class has not much to offer. Unless you move up for one of the top 3. 2 of which I'm not even sold on idk. if Buluga has health concerns that are coming out. So he isn't a lock either.

I think we might look at FA. The LT class is pretty good in FA with McNeil and Gaither. Who knows if McNeil actually gets out...but Oher is starting in Balt and I don't think Gaither is playign. He only gave up 2 sacks last year and I think would be a good option to come here.

I also still think we try to bring Peppers in this offseason. Seems crazy but I think it happens.

D-Unit
09-21-2009, 06:46 PM
Thule's Top 5

Eric Berry - I'm going to keep him here. Because A) we don't know how high we will be picking. and B) he is the type of player that probably doesn't have the elite physical tools of a Taylor Mays and others in the top 5...however once he falls out of those slots his value sky rockets. He reminds me a ton of Laron Landry coming out. Someone who most people realize is the best defensive player in the draft...but might slip a tad. No matter what this guy is a top 15 lock...but with the way Hamlin has been playing and where his contract is at and Sensy only having a one year deal...Safety could be a huge need for us. Watkins and Hamlin are Jags at this point....a elite Safety could be just what the doctor ordered. Think of every elite defense in the NFL and think of their safeties...this is what we are missing.

Brandon Spikes - Watch a Florida game and all you see is this guy making plays. He can do everything on the field and our ILB depth is trash. Bobby Carpenter could be in his last year and who knows if Brooking is around next year if a coaching change happens. Spikes is probably a late first rounder this year due to not having the elite speed...but he is still quick and I can't see him falling out of the first round. He is a playmaker in every sense of the word. I'd love to have him on our team.

Corey Wootton - Who knows what will happen with Spears next year. But here is a guy that might be worth the flyer. Injury concerns will cause him to drop but he is a top 20 talent. He could start for us day one imo. He wins battles at the point of attack and can rush the passer. Some teams are even looking at him to stand up in the 3-4 thats what type of athleticism he has.

Brandon Lang - My favorite pass rusher in this draft. I'm not sure where he will go on draft day but I love this guy. He simply has that "it" factor. Not sure if we will go this direction...but this guy can get to the QB.

Vince Oghobaase - My favorite 3-4 DE in the draft...his hype will only rise as it gets closer to draft time. This guy wil lbe a better DE than Jackson who was taken #3 overall. I don't think he will go that high since he plays for Duke...but this guy is HIGH on my board.

Sergio Kindle - I loved Kindle last year and thought he might be able to play inside for us with his athletism. However he is being touted as a rush backer by every scout in the nation. He hasn't produced much yet this year...so his stock is slightly falling...but come workout time this guy will likely shoot up. Perfect example of a guy who has a NFL type body. He would be a good LB for us.

Dez Bryant - TO Jr. is all I have to say about this guy. I'm not sure if he has the same attitude...but this guy is a player. Will make a impact from day one. I don't think we need a WR but this guy is special.

Allen Bailey - Another DL guy. He is a physical freak. Mario Williams is being tied to him from a physical standpoint. However this guy is a force on the field this year too. He is one of those guys you draft even if you don't have a need at the position. He'd play DE for us.

Eric Decker - I'll probably be trashed for this pick. But Decker is the definition of a football player. He plays hard every snap and does everything it takes to win. If college had a MVP it should be him...because noone does for their team what he does. He is a stud. Some might tout him as a possession guy...but he gets separation at every level. I'm not sure how he'd fit in our offense...but Austin is a FA...and I'm still not a big fan of Crayton. This guy is what our team needs. Someone who plays his all every game. And makes it show in the result of the game.

You have a lot of guys in your top 5. haha.

I wouldn't mind seeing what Decker could do for us. I was really impressed with him this past weekend. Hopefully that ankle is alright. To me, he'd be the definition of a possession receiver. His hands are glue, he gets great elevation and fights for the ball in the air. I'd love him. Poor man's Fitzgerald. Was thinking of adding him to my watch list this week.

The others are all good, but I need to see more of Wooten. Is he really 34 DE material?

D-Unit
09-21-2009, 07:00 PM
D...this is for you from PFW
I still love Sean. Glad you remembered. Haven't seen him yet this season so he's currently flying under my radar. He was listed as being bigger before, so this makes me scratch my head. I thought he was listed at at least 6'2". Glad to hear he's getting some playing time at MLB because that is where I liked him for our scheme. I think he could be Wade's version of Donnie Edwards.

D-Unit
09-21-2009, 07:42 PM
As it stands today, it really wouldn't matter what position we look at in the first round so long as it's on the defensive side of the ball. I think that's a lock.

thule
09-22-2009, 10:56 PM
You have a lot of guys in your top 5. haha.

I wouldn't mind seeing what Decker could do for us. I was really impressed with him this past weekend. Hopefully that ankle is alright. To me, he'd be the definition of a possession receiver. His hands are glue, he gets great elevation and fights for the ball in the air. I'd love him. Poor man's Fitzgerald. Was thinking of adding him to my watch list this week.

The others are all good, but I need to see more of Wooten. Is he really 34 DE material?

Wooten is listed at 278...With the frame to slime or get bigger. He can play any of the 7 DL positions IMO. Very similar to Canty before Canty eye injury caused him to drop...

thule
09-22-2009, 10:57 PM
I hope to god we land Eric Berry. He is the best football player in this draft. Might not have the top measurables...but when it comes to on the field...noone is better and it's not even close.

Macarthur
09-23-2009, 09:45 AM
As it stands today, it really wouldn't matter what position we look at in the first round so long as it's on the defensive side of the ball. I think that's a lock.

I think you're right. I think if we could get Berry and resign Sensi, we could really improve our safety position greatly.

I'm also worried about ILB. Carp simply can't play. Unfortunately, at this point, we don't know where Williams is. If he can play, we may not need a high pick on ILB, but we definately need help there. That's not even taking into consideration our DL.

thule
09-23-2009, 12:21 PM
I think you're right. I think if we could get Berry and resign Sensi, we could really improve our safety position greatly.

I'm also worried about ILB. Carp simply can't play. Unfortunately, at this point, we don't know where Williams is. If he can play, we may not need a high pick on ILB, but we definately need help there. That's not even taking into consideration our DL.

The 3-4 DE class is pretty good at the top. Depending on what happens this season we could see a hybrid 3-4/4-3 like the pats ran last year.

I would trade a whole draft for Berry.

D-Unit
09-23-2009, 12:29 PM
We're not getting Berry. Period.

Macarthur
09-23-2009, 12:30 PM
We're not getting Berry. Period.

Yeah, I know.

thule
09-23-2009, 02:00 PM
We're not getting Berry. Period.

Way to early to be throwing that out.

A) He won't be the first safety taken
B) He has great physical skills but not elite...which is the only thing that seems to guarantee a top 10 lock.
C) It's hard for a team picking in the top 10 to spend a pick on a safety...when predominately bad teams usually have more glaring needs at more "key" positions.

I say "key" positions, because although safeties take a defense from good to great....they can't control the game from their position. They need surrounding talent as Rushers and Cover guys....(It's no coincidence that rushers and cover corners are premium paid players on teams along with QB and LT).

Prediction time I think he goes about the same spot as Landry/AP went. Best player in the class but the need just isn't there for that position to be drafted that high. It has to be a team that has the ability to draft BPA...and as we've learned in past years...that doesn't always happen in the top 5.

We could easily move from 20 to 7.

Jets moved from 17 to 5. They only gave up 1st and 2nd round picks and 3 jags.

D-Unit
09-23-2009, 02:10 PM
Haha. Alright thule. Keep the dream alive. I won't stop you. ;) You go boy.

bluebonnet78
09-23-2009, 07:28 PM
hi, i'm new to the blog and i had a few thoughts for the dallas draft blog veterans out there...

boy after the first 2 weeks it's looking like our pass rush is struggling. I hate to look too much into things, but it does raise some questions. As much as I'd like to see us improve our rush with a speedy OLB, I have a hard time imagining us drafting LB in the 2010 first round considering the investments in Anthony Spencer and the 3 drafted last year in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Looking at the offensive line, I'd like to see us draft a 1st round talent next year, but I don't think it's Jerry style to draft one in the first considering his approach to getting linemen in later rounds and the fact he's got so much invested in the current starters. We all know dallas won't draft a RB, TE, or QB in the first and it's unlikely they would draft a CB there either (though we are struggling there too).

By my account, That leaves me pretty much with DE, DT, S, or WR as possible first round positions to target. We've got 3 DE's in their contract years i think. Any 3-4 DE's that really stand out? I've been reading a bit on Corey Wooten but haven't watched yet.

D-Unit
09-23-2009, 08:19 PM
D-Unit's Cowboys Watch List

Preseason - 8/14/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------

- OT Bryan Bulaga, Iowa (6'6", 312)
The guy has got a funky name, but what I've seen of him makes me very excited. The last guy that got me this excited was Justin Blalock, but he was a Guard prospect. Bulaga is one bad man. Complete mauler in every sense of the word. Finishes his blocks to the whistle. Shows great power, but more impressive is his balance combined with it. To top it off, he gets to the second level very fast and knows how to MOVE. Very impressed to say the least. Right now, he's my #1 tackle prospect. There I said it.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Iowa almost lost. Fialed to have a 100 yard rusher... and some are saying he's a RT prospect??? I still say keep him on the Left.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - I watched the Iowa game intermittently, but didn't see Bulaga on the field at all. Instead #77 was lined up at LT. Will look into the reason why.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - Out with an injury for the 2nd week in a row.

- DT Geno Atkins, Georgia (6'1", 290)
Atkins intrigues me because he's loaded with talent, but is coming off a season ending injury that prevented him from playing last year. I can't help but think of Warren Sapp when I see him play. At 6'1, he's got the ability to use leverage at his advantage. Power, size, aggression. People were calling him an early first rounder before the injury. I hope he finishes off a great Senior campaign. I think he can play any DT position along the line in any defensive front.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - I almost wanna say he was a complete non-factor. Finished the game with 1 tackle in a losing effort against OSU. Hasn't "bounced back" from injury yet. Plus, I confused him with Jeff Owens. lol. My bad.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - Kade Weston and Jeff Owens are on the rise. Atkins is falling.

- NT Dan Williams, Tennesee (6'2", 327)
Williams is just a sleeper name at the moment. Did a little research on him and like what I hear. Leadership. True NT who commands a double team. Doesn't miss assignments. Disrupts the backfield occassionally, but true strength is in run stuffing. Stands 6'3", 326. A clogger who is being mentioned as a 3rd rounder, but could climb the charts with a good year. Could be a gem, could be a flop. He's on this list cause I want to "watch" him closely.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - With the season not going as planned (his personal one included), Williams showed some leadership and said this. "This right here could make our season," UT senior defensive tackle Dan Williams said. "We can come back as a team or we can be divided. It's very important that we put this behind us."

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - Williams had a pretty decent day against a big time opponent in Florida. Most thought Tennessee would get spanked, but Florida's ground game was held in check and that was a big reason why.

Preseason - 8/28/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------

- WR Golden Tate, Notre Dame (5'11", 195)
Not sure what it is with the name Tate and WRs, but it's reelin' me in. This year I'm really hoping Golden Tate lives up to the high expectations many have for him. Yeah, we missed out on Brandon Tate last year, but this year my renewed excitement is going to be focused on the new Tate in town... Golden (can't believe that's a real name)! With a good year, I think he'll come out. The Senior class looks really weak and he could take advantage in that. At 5'11", 198 pounds and 4.34-4.44 speed, Golden is one of the top burners in college football. His production was phenomenal last season. He lead the Irish in all-purpose yards (1,754), receptions(10), receiving yards (1,080), receiving touchdowns (10) and total touchdowns (11). The 1,754 all-purpose yards ranks third in Irish history. So much like Brandon Tate, last year, Golden was also an exciting punt and kick returner. I still love Brandon more, but needless to say, I'm starting to get that giddy feeling back once again. :D Projects to be a 2nd round pick, so that's perfect. A 1st is too expensive for a WR. A 3rd or 4th gives us nothing better than what we've got.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Taylor got all the love from Clausen in Game 1. Tate didn't leave much of a mark on this game, but he's still got skillz.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - I have the game on DVR but haven't watched it yet. From the stat sheet, Tate finally got some love from Jimmy. I have to say though... Floyd is a much better player, but isn't eligible for the draft (I think). Tate might be a 3rd rounder right now in my guess.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - 7 catches, 127 yards, 1 TD vs Michigan St.

- DL Arthur Jones, Syracuse (6'3", 302)
Jones is one of those guys that if we landed in the draft, I'd throw a party over. He's been very consistent in his career at Syracuse. His name was tossed around last year, but he decided to return for his senior season. He has 60 tackles, 13 TFL and 3.5 Sacks last year and 51 tackles and 17.5 TFL as a Sophomore. He attracts a lot of double teams in college, but applies constant pressure. There is some thought that some NFL teams would look to him as a NT. I think for us he could play DE or NT depending how how the team wants to mold him. He's a very good run defender with impressive strength and ball awareness... or so I read. State wrestling champ who understands leverage and uses his knowledge and experience on every snap.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Had an active game and finished with 5 tackles and 1 TFL. He's gotta get into that backfield more if he wants to be deserving of the adoration he's getting.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - Continuing to rise draft boards. Run stuffer: check. He helped hold Penn St's RB Evan Royster to 41 yards and 78 total rushing yards. PSU won, but 3 TDs came through the air.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - Scouts at the game to watch both Jones and Corey Wootten. Both players ended up with 2 solo tackles. Wooten had a blocked kick though.

- LT Ciron Black, LSU (6'5", 322)
Much like Herman Johnson last year, I think that Ciron Black's stock will take a hit. Not as bad, but I do think he could realistically last to the 3rd round because he lacks elite athleticism. I could also see him being used as a Guard by some teams. But he's put together a string of 40 straight games at LT for the Bayou Bengals and has had great success in a tough conference. He's not a great technician, nor would I call him light on his feet. Rather, he uses his size, power and mauling style to seal off defenders or overpower them in run blocking. Sounds like Houck type lineman if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Looking like a Round 2/3 prospect. Wasn't overly impressive against Washington.

Preseason - 8/31/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------

- WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma St (6'2", 220)
Dez Bryant right now is ranked as everybody's top ranked WR prospect. So why do I have him here? It's not because I think we're going to tank this year. Instead, I think Bryant will drop. Yeah, the uber-productive wideout has everyone and their sister giddy. He's very chiseled and is physical as hell, but the way I look at it is that from the reports I've read, he's running in the high 4.5 range for his 40. If that's the case, there will be faster WRs, with just as good size, who NFL scouts will hype up leading to the draft and draftniks galore will start to downgrade Bryant. I guarantee the haters will start to come out and some will even call him the next Rashaun Woods. lol. He's up there, but he hasn't secured the top spot yet in my mind.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Dez Bryant took the best that Georgia could bring and got completely leveled many a time. Bounced back up after each hit. Dropped a couple, but also made some highlight plays. I was really impressed with his effort and ability.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - OSU lost to Houston, but not because of Dez who won Big 12 POW honors. He helped ignite a comeback from a 21-point deficit in the Cowboys' eventual loss to Houston. Bryant had an 82-yard punt return for a touchdown against Houston -- his third career punt return for a score -- and also two kickoff returns for 43 yards. Bryant is averaging 37.0 yards per return on his punt returns so far this season. I admit, he's every bit as good as everyone said. He's moved up to the #1 WR prospect rank.

- WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois (6'2", 220)
I really haven't sorted out the order in which I like the WRs that might be available in next year's draft, but it's widely anticipated that Benn will declare for the draft since he signed his letter of intent that he'd turn pro after his junior year. Benn has similar size measurables to Bryant, but should be timed faster. He's really quite the specimen. I can easily see him going ahead of Bryant. He's an electric player who also excels on kick returns. Depending on the type of year he has, he could find himself atop the WR draft rankings.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Got hurt and left for the rest of the game. Reports are that he'll be ready for this week's game.

- WR Damian Williams, USC (6'1", 195)
The Junior WR class is impressive and Damian could very well be one of those WRs that get hyped up over Dez as well. Why? Because his speed is not a question mark. Damian will run a low 4.4 40, if not better. Unlike Bryant and Benn, Williams isn't coming from a spread offense. I know the knock is hard on QBs coming out of that system, but I think WRs will also begin to get scrutinized for this more than they have in the past. Damian coming from Arkansas (does that make him a Jerry guy? lol doubt it), and then USC will be well versed in a more Pro Set offense. I know USC receivers have been come to be known as NFL flake outs, but you can't ignore how talented each one has been graded at coming out. One of these days, someone will break through. Is this the guy? I would like to see him catch more with his hands than his body though.

Wk1: 9/10/2009 - Matt Barkley was nursed like a baby as SC ran the ball a lot in a blow out of San Jose St. Until Barkley gets a grip, I fear Damien's numbers will hurt.

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - OK, something really bothered me when I watched the OSU game. Damien didn't look like a receiver who caught the ball with his hands. He's a craddler. I hate that. If I see more of him trying to basket catch his passes, then he's going way down my list. I like receivers who catch with their hands. Mediocre-Bad game. He dropped some.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - I'm not really interested in Damien Williams anymore.

Week 1 - 9/8/2009 -------------------------------------------------------------------

- OT Anthony Davis, Rutgers (6'6", 325)
After Bryan Bulaga, Anthony Davis is #2 on my wish list. Both of them are Juniors, hopefully at least 1 declares. As the draft approaches, I just know the talk about this kid is gonna ramp up big time. Hopefully, he doesn't get overhyped. I would put him on the same level as Michael Oher and Jeff Otah in recent previous years. Both of them ended up being mid-late first round picks. He's a Hudson Houck lineman through and through, so that's why he and Bulaga top my list over the other more heralded finesse or technician type lineman. Ciron Black comes in 3rd for me at the moment (and I think he's a 2nd rounder). Back to Davis... he's had weight issues in the past, so that's something to watch for. He's a Jersey kid, so Parcells and his tree branch line of HCs throughout the league better keep their grubby hands off him. ;)

Wk1: 9/8/2009 - Davis yielded 1 1/2 sacks and gave up two tackles-for-loss in his matchup against Cincinnati defensive end Ricardo Mathews.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - The Rutgers OL gave up 4 sacks and 9 TFL against FIU. Ouch.
http://web.sny.tv/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090920&content_id=7070322&oid=9&vkey=13

- FS Nate Allen, UCF (6'1", 206)
His nickname is "Golden Boy". Another safety that I haven't seen much, but love what I read about him. Actually, I have found myself liking a lot of the talent coming from that program. George Selvie, Mike Jenkins and that MLB who's name escapes me at the moment... They come with an underdog mentality but are just as rabid as the other Florida kids that go to Florida, FSU and Miami. Allen is said to be quick to the ball and a fierce hitter. Looks to have good size too. He had a team-high 10 tackles and also forced a fumble in a 40-7 win and jumped on my radar in doing so. ;)

Wk2: 9/15/2009 - 7 tackles, 1 PD... Lovin' this kid, but want to see him against better competition.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - Turning into a staaaarrr..... Allen recovered a blocked FG and returned it 75 yards for a TD, the first time in the UCF's 12-year history.

- S Darrell Stuckey, Kansas (5'11", 205)
No, this isn't the Guard from the Detroit Pistons. :D This one is actually a real football player. lol. From the reports I read, Stuckey sounds like a real stud. Total high character guy who also is an excellent special teamer to boot. I haven't seen him play much but his stock is rated around the 2nd round range. Not sure if that is too high or too low or just right. He's definitely active in the secondary though. Finished with 98 tackles and 5 INTs. Comes from a pass happy conference so I think those numbers are inflated a bit, however they are nice to see. Is talked about as a strong safety on the next level, so we'll see. On the watch list now though... Had 4 tackles and a QB hurry last weekend.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - 6 tackle day in a 44-16 win over Duke. Also had his first TFL of the season.

Week 2 - 9/15/2009 -----------------------------------------------------------------

- DT Phil Taylor, Baylor (6'4", 355)
After the Bucs ran all over us, the first thing I had to do when thinking about this week's prospects was to bust out Phil Taylor's name. Taylor is a transfer from Penn St. What's up with these big DTs transferring from PSU? Remember Chris Baker last year? I mean look at the size of his head!!! lol. I briefly spoke about him in the Prospects forum and chatted about him with Scott a couple of weeks ago. I have high hopes for this wall of a man. Unlike Mount Cody, Taylor doesn't play sloppy. He's physical, will bull rush the hell out of you and most importantly he's one of the few true NTs out there. He's just a junior though, so he'll have to boost his stock high enough to gain recognition or he could just go back to school. I have no idea where his stock would be right now, but I don't think we'd have to spend a 1st or 2nd on him, so that's great imo. Last week against Wake Forest he had a TFL and even an INT! Yeah baby!

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - Dude had a Blocked Kick!!! ...but on the downside, also was on a defense that allowed not 1, but 2 100 yard rushers vs UCONN... ehh....

- WR Jacoby Ford, Clemson (5'9", 185)
Our receiving corps looks fine so far. To the point where I think drafting a first round WR would be a mistake. The last thing I want is another prima donna WR who wants the ball or throw fits. In comes Ford. He's a total team player, genuine character who won't bring a fuss and won't be a high draft pick. 3rd/4th round maybe? But one things for sure, he's got speed and plenty to burn. He's a track star national champion (he won the 60-meter dash (6.52 seconds) in the NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championships)... who is a football player first, track star second. ...and a big key for me... he uses his hands to haul in passes. ;) I think he could nicely compliment our WR unit. Speed is not something that we're in huge supply of.

Wk3: 9/23/2009 - Looking like a classic slot WR. Leads the team in catches. Had 6 this past weekend, but only 36 yards... huh? Where's the YAC? Want more from you Jacoby!

- OG Brandon Carter, Texas Tech (6'6", 326)
I know there have got to be some of you Texans out there that love the intensity that Brandon Carter brings to the field. He's a maniac on the field, off the sidelines or heck I bet even at home! lmao. He moved into Guard after playing some tackle, but that's just a credit to his ability. I would love to find a spot for him on our OL. Bye bye Kosier, hello Carter? Oh I wish. For those of you who catch a lot of Texas Tech games, what say you? Am I just enamored with his vibe or is he really legit? He's on my watch list for me to find out.

Week 4 - 9/23/2009 -----------------------------------------------------------------

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- DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina (6'3", 305)
I'm not real sure if scouts are projecting him as a potential 3-4 defensive lineman. He could be one of those guys who's value is better served in the 4-3. That said, I think the world of him and am not ready to eliminate him from being an option for us. He's a nasty lineman. Trash talker who talks the talk and walks the walk. He was very active in this past weekend's game against Eastern Caroina. He did well disengaging from blocks and flowing to the ball carrier. Kept his hands up and blocked a pass. 5 tackles, TFL and a PB. He's always been highly rated, but hasn't really broken out yet. Prime watch list candidate! Should be fun to track.

http://blog.cleveland.com/lesmerises/2009/04/large_Heyward.jpg

- DE Cameron Heyward, Ohio State (6'6", 287)
Can you tell I wish we still had drafted a 34 DE in the draft? Here's another guy who I think deserves mention on the watch list. He's got a lot of raw stuff to work with and the frame to pack on more and still be effective. Even though he's just a junior, he's been making plays. Sacked Matt Barkley last week. Had another one this past week along with 2 QB hurries. People are down on OSU as a whole these days, but the defense played admirably against USC until the final drive. Heyward's effort in the game originally opened my eyes.

http://www.allcanes.com/blog/uploaded_images/bailey.jpg

- DT/DE Allen Bailey, Miami (6'4", 288)
People jumped all over his nut sack after the FSU opener. I wanted to wait a little while before hopping on. ;) Dude's athleticism I read about him makes me drool. Read this: On a wall inside the UM football offices are the team bests for each exercise by position. When you get to defensive linemen, almost all you see is one Bailey head shot after another. Some UM fans have taken to calling him "Freakzilla," thanks in part to his awesome athleticism but also to his Bunyanesque background that has created some legendary tales. Such as how he once killed an alligator with a shovel.

Bailey, who last season battled through a torn pectoral muscle while making the transition from linebacker to defensive line, had nine tackles for loss and five sacks. Now that he's healthy and more comfortable playing at defensive tackle, expectations around Coral Gables, Fla., are soaring. Some inside the program think the junior will restart Miami's streak of first-round draft picks. Lord knows he should test well at the NFL combine next year.

This spring, Bailey vertical jumped 39 inches despite weighing 288 pounds. He ran a 4.65 40 time. He power-cleaned 375. Longtime UM strength coach Andreu Swasey, who has trained the likes of Willis McGahee, Kellen Winslow II, Sean Taylor and others, gives Bailey perhaps the ultimate praise: "He is the freakiest of all the freaks since I've been here," Swasey says. "When he got here, he weighed 270, and I told the coaches, 'He's going to be 300, but it'll be a 300 like you've never seen before.'"

http://www.allcanes.com/blog/2009/05/bailey-ranked-no-2-workout-warrior-by.html

thule
09-23-2009, 10:20 PM
Nice mention of Heyward. I highly doubt he leaves...but I also came away impressed by him the past couple of weeks.

thule
09-23-2009, 10:24 PM
ILB Rolando McClain, Alabama (6-4, 256). This is a guy to watch out for...he is a potential top 20 pick imo. Watch out for him. I'm not hearing a lot of people talk about him, but I've been impressed.

OT Bruce Campbell, Maryland (6-7, 310). If anyone is looking for a guy flying under the radar that is rising up scouts boards...watch out for campbell...he is looking like a late 1st round prospect.

MOTH can you give me some input on OT Jarriel King. I've been reading about him more and more lately.

thule
09-23-2009, 10:37 PM
Just to note my boy Ricky Sapp from last year is shooting up draft board all ready.

Lindsey Witten is getting lots of hype. As big of a fan of Cody Brown that I was last year I think Witten might be better. A guy to keep an eye on.

Ward
09-23-2009, 11:35 PM
hi, i'm new to the blog and i had a few thoughts for the dallas draft blog veterans out there...

boy after the first 2 weeks it's looking like our pass rush is struggling. I hate to look too much into things, but it does raise some questions. As much as I'd like to see us improve our rush with a speedy OLB, I have a hard time imagining us drafting LB in the 2010 first round considering the investments in Anthony Spencer and the 3 drafted last year in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Looking at the offensive line, I'd like to see us draft a 1st round talent next year, but I don't think it's Jerry style to draft one in the first considering his approach to getting linemen in later rounds and the fact he's got so much invested in the current starters. We all know dallas won't draft a RB, TE, or QB in the first and it's unlikely they would draft a CB there either (though we are struggling there too).

By my account, That leaves me pretty much with DE, DT, S, or WR as possible first round positions to target. We've got 3 DE's in their contract years i think. Any 3-4 DE's that really stand out? I've been reading a bit on Corey Wooten but haven't watched yet.

Hey welcome to the board. I too would really prefer to see a 1st round OL talent next year. Okung is the top choice, Trent Williams is a more realistic get. If not for that, I would prefer a 3-4 DE, but at this point we have to be considering that Wade might not be running the D. That makes picking 3-4 personnel a tough projection. Eric Berry or Taylor Mays would be a dream, but I'm tired of saying that about each year's safety class. We need to stop ignoring these positions.

D-Unit
09-24-2009, 12:23 AM
Just to note my boy Ricky Sapp from last year is shooting up draft board all ready.

Lindsey Witten is getting lots of hype. As big of a fan of Cody Brown that I was last year I think Witten might be better. A guy to keep an eye on.
Ricky Sapp is the #1 3-4 OLB in the draft, but I doubt we look at that position especially after drafting 2 this year.

Would be weird to have 2 Wittens on the team. lol. Lots of production, but I dunno about him. Did he have this kind of production last year?

D-Unit
09-24-2009, 12:26 AM
hi, i'm new to the blog and i had a few thoughts for the dallas draft blog veterans out there...

boy after the first 2 weeks it's looking like our pass rush is struggling. I hate to look too much into things, but it does raise some questions. As much as I'd like to see us improve our rush with a speedy OLB, I have a hard time imagining us drafting LB in the 2010 first round considering the investments in Anthony Spencer and the 3 drafted last year in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

Looking at the offensive line, I'd like to see us draft a 1st round talent next year, but I don't think it's Jerry style to draft one in the first considering his approach to getting linemen in later rounds and the fact he's got so much invested in the current starters. We all know dallas won't draft a RB, TE, or QB in the first and it's unlikely they would draft a CB there either (though we are struggling there too).

By my account, That leaves me pretty much with DE, DT, S, or WR as possible first round positions to target. We've got 3 DE's in their contract years i think. Any 3-4 DE's that really stand out? I've been reading a bit on Corey Wooten but haven't watched yet.
Welcome bluebonet. Interesting choice of name.

I agree about OLB. I've started to list a few 3-4 DEs that I like.

thule
09-24-2009, 12:08 PM
Ricky Sapp is the #1 3-4 OLB in the draft, but I doubt we look at that position especially after drafting 2 this year.

Would be weird to have 2 Wittens on the team. lol. Lots of production, but I dunno about him. Did he have this kind of production last year?


I only brought up Sapps name..because he was my guy last year haha.

Witten was burried on the depth chart. Cody Brown was a stud...however I think Witten is a better pro prospect.

D-Unit
09-24-2009, 01:20 PM
Longhorns, how is your boy Earl Thomas looking?

Burns, you boy Major Wright??? I've noticed Joe Haden making plays for Florida, but not so much on Wright.

Macarthur
09-24-2009, 01:39 PM
I thought Earl had a good game against TT last week.

He looks pretty good. I'm just real skeptical of UT's players.

D-Unit
09-24-2009, 01:47 PM
I thought Earl had a good game against TT last week.

He looks pretty good. I'm just real skeptical of UT's players.
I agree. They are very hit or miss. You could get Michael Griffin or Michael Huff. Leonard Davis or Johnathan Scott. Roy Williams or Limas Sweed. Remember Rodrique Wright? Orakpo looks like a monster though. Vince Young... yuck. Derrick Johnson has been nice, but never really lived up to expectations. Quentin Jammer has been a disappointment. ...and on and on... Justin Blalock is a beast. Very very hit or miss team. But they do have talent, just gotta hit it right.

thule
09-24-2009, 10:39 PM
I agree. They are very hit or miss. You could get Michael Griffin or Michael Huff. Leonard Davis or Johnathan Scott. Roy Williams or Limas Sweed. Remember Rodrique Wright? Orakpo looks like a monster though. Vince Young... yuck. Derrick Johnson has been nice, but never really lived up to expectations. Quentin Jammer has been a disappointment. ...and on and on... Justin Blalock is a beast. Very very hit or miss team. But they do have talent, just gotta hit it right.

He's been having a huge year....scouts are hyping him...be he is just a red shirt sophmore....if my memory serves me right. In this safety class I can't see him coming out. But he has been a difference maker on UT defense this year.

Burns336
09-24-2009, 10:42 PM
Longhorns, how is your boy Earl Thomas looking?

Burns, you boy Major Wright??? I've noticed Joe Haden making plays for Florida, but not so much on Wright.

I watched Wright against Tennessee -- pretty invisible.. It wasn't a bad thing though. The knock on him last year was that he gambled and freelanced too much in coverage. He didn't give anything up -- But you have to take the competition into consideration. Crompton is pretty ******.

Florida still hasn't played a good enough team to give a good evaluation.

I'd say at this point he's probably a 2nd/3rd round guy. He's going to have to make some more noteworthy plays to stick out on that defense.

I think Brandon Spikes will probably fall a little this year. He's a guy who will get screwed for coming back. People will over analyze him.

thule
09-24-2009, 10:49 PM
I watched Wright against Tennessee -- pretty invisible.. It wasn't a bad thing though. The knock on him last year was that he gambled and freelanced too much in coverage. He didn't give anything up -- But you have to take the competition into consideration. Crompton is pretty ******.

Florida still hasn't played a good enough team to give a good evaluation.

I'd say at this point he's probably a 2nd/3rd round guy. He's going to have to make some more noteworthy plays to stick out on that defense.

I think Brandon Spikes will probably fall a little this year. He's a guy who will get screwed for coming back. People will over analyze him.

Spikes will fall because he will play the rest of the year with a achilles problem. And his tape wont' be as good as it was last year. It could also rupter if he over does it and that would put him out for the year. He won't go in the first round imo. I'd almost garuntee it at this point. Unless he rests it and has a hell of a offseason. If florida makes the national championship...then he'll get his 2 weeks rest required and should put on a show...but until then I dont' think you''ll really notice him.

I love him tho...would welcome him here with open arms.

D-Unit
09-24-2009, 11:42 PM
Spikes will fall because he will play the rest of the year with a achilles problem. And his tape wont' be as good as it was last year. It could also rupter if he over does it and that would put him out for the year. He won't go in the first round imo. I'd almost garuntee it at this point. Unless he rests it and has a hell of a offseason. If florida makes the national championship...then he'll get his 2 weeks rest required and should put on a show...but until then I dont' think you''ll really notice him.

I love him tho...would welcome him here with open arms.
No matter who it is, it's always a shame when a player drops. Sanchez was criticized big time, but he was one of the smart ones.

bluebonnet78
09-25-2009, 12:29 AM
Eric Norwood was a force out there there for Carolina tonight. Tough night for Snead though.

But yeah you're right Ward, i guess it's sort of futile at this early point to be trying to narrow down 1st picks by position especially since it's a complete unknown whether the whole 3-4 scheme will be scrapped if (and likely so) Wade is gone after the year. But from looking at past drafts I've noticed Jerry is very comfortable with drafting 1st round DE's and it looks like it could be an upcoming need area. Unfortunately it seems he's far more hesitant when it comes to drafting WRs and OTs early on though I know he was getting itchy when Macklin started falling last year.

Thanks D-unit. I went back and looked at some of the 3-4 DE names you've been looking at. I'll have to keep up with your ongoing list...

D-Unit
09-25-2009, 02:08 AM
Eric Norwood was a force out there there for Carolina tonight. Tough night for Snead though.

But yeah you're right Ward, i guess it's sort of futile at this early point to be trying to narrow down 1st picks by position especially since it's a complete unknown whether the whole 3-4 scheme will be scrapped if (and likely so) Wade is gone after the year. But from looking at past drafts I've noticed Jerry is very comfortable with drafting 1st round DE's and it looks like it could be an upcoming need area. Unfortunately it seems he's far more hesitant when it comes to drafting WRs and OTs early on though I know he was getting itchy when Macklin started falling last year.

Thanks D-unit. I went back and looked at some of the 3-4 DE names you've been looking at. I'll have to keep up with your ongoing list...
It's just a list for my personal fun. I add 3 names a week and update the ones I already have.

...and as for Norwood. I think he forced people to recognize his talent tonight. It was definitely a WOW performance... and a NICE upset win for his team. I also though Greg Hardy looked good for Ole Miss.

herniateddisc
09-25-2009, 10:24 AM
Locker anyone?

D-Unit
09-25-2009, 12:44 PM
Locker anyone?
If Locker declares, he'll be the #1 overall pick, imo. So no, no matter how much you hate this team, that's not gonna be a possibility in my eyes... even if I think the world of Locker.

herniateddisc
09-25-2009, 02:40 PM
If Locker declares, he'll be the #1 overall pick, imo. So no, no matter how much you hate this team, that's not gonna be a possibility in my eyes... even if I think the world of Locker.

Time will tell.

Ward
09-25-2009, 05:11 PM
Locker is a gamer with an amazing physical skill set. That being said, I disagree that he's a #1 overall pick, or even the 1st QB taken. Possible, but I don't see it right now. The other thing to consider is that if Garrett is still here, you have you think that he's happy with Romo - Kitna - McGee. I can't see them adding an elite prospect to the mix. They have the starter, the vet, and the future. However, if the coaching staff is overturned (including Garrett) all bets are off.

Staubach12
09-26-2009, 03:01 PM
This is the kind of draft I'd like to see.

1. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami(FL)
He's a physical freak of nature. He needs some work with things like his hands, and tracking the play to follow through, but he always gets a fantastic push and would fit very well as a 3-4 DE.

2. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
I hope if he comes out he drops this far, but this might be a stretch. He's one of the best burners in college football, and he shows flashes in his route running. He could compliment Austin (who I think is the future) very well.

3. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
Big, powerful, stout. This guy is playing excellent football and people will take notice. He'll fit in perfect in a 3-4 with time.

4. Rico McCoy, LB, Tennessee
He'd play inside for us, call me crazy but I always thought he was built to play inside. He's smart and has awesome range.

6. Danny McCray, S, LSU
He never really got too many opportunities playing behind all that talent at the safety position at LSU. But he's been good when he's been in.

7. BPA

For the most part, this draft has to be about defense.

Ward
09-26-2009, 06:07 PM
This is the kind of draft I'd like to see.

1. Allen Bailey, DE, Miami(FL)
He's a physical freak of nature. He needs some work with things like his hands, and tracking the play to follow through, but he always gets a fantastic push and would fit very well as a 3-4 DE.

3. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
Big, powerful, stout. This guy is playing excellent football and people will take notice. He'll fit in perfect in a 3-4 with time.

4. Rico McCoy, LB, Tennessee
He'd play inside for us, call me crazy but I always thought he was built to play inside. He's smart and has awesome range.

Ditto for me on Bailey. Could be a monster at LDE for us. But if Tyson Jackson can go top 5, so can Bailey. I hope we're not picking top 5.

How are the two Tennessee guys looking so far this season?

Staubach12
09-26-2009, 08:31 PM
Ditto for me on Bailey. Could be a monster at LDE for us. But if Tyson Jackson can go top 5, so can Bailey. I hope we're not picking top 5.

How are the two Tennessee guys looking so far this season?

They've not been much different from last season. Rico still has awesome range, and finds the ball no matter what and Williams is handling double teams well and getting good penetration.

D-Unit
09-27-2009, 02:11 AM
Ditto for me on Bailey. Could be a monster at LDE for us. But if Tyson Jackson can go top 5, so can Bailey. I hope we're not picking top 5.

How are the two Tennessee guys looking so far this season?
You guys will like my 2 round mock that I'm going to post soon then. :D

LizardState
09-27-2009, 03:26 PM
Liking the Bailey pick. Or Eric Norwood from S. Carolina, he's red hot right now.

If he declares, Greg McElroy? Not just a Bama homer pick here, but the guy grew up with the team, his father is VP of Sales. If any QB is wired into Jerry Jones it's him.

Comparable to Matt Leinart, but needs the extra yr of Saban experience.

M.O.T.H.
09-27-2009, 03:26 PM
We're not drafting a QB. geez.

herniateddisc
09-27-2009, 10:34 PM
We're not drafting a QB. geez.

Likely true but that is too bad.

Cicero
10-04-2009, 09:57 PM
Ditto for me on Bailey. Could be a monster at LDE for us. But if Tyson Jackson can go top 5, so can Bailey. I hope we're not picking top 5.

How are the two Tennessee guys looking so far this season?

Unlike Jackson I think Bailey has the potential to be on of the elite 5 techs who is a force in both the pass rush and against the run.

D-Unit
10-08-2009, 01:43 PM
Due to Business travel the last 2 weeks, I haven't been able to follow my college watch list. :(

So this week, I have the draft bug in me, so I'll slap together a quick mock.

Round 1 (between pick 15-20).
1. DT Andrew Bailey, Miami - As much as Scott wants to give us a WR, I can't see it. Lee Evans would be a prime guy to go after in FA. We'll have money, especially with Ware's contract not looking to be as high as it was before the season started.

Round 2.
2. S Nate Allen, UCF - Allen is one of my FAVORITES this year. I could see him being talked about as a 1st rounder, but hopefully not. As much I want to see a DT or OT by now... I just can't see the value to beat Allen if he's here.

Round 3.
3. OT Jason Fox, Miami - Taking too many players from Miami can never be a problem. Fox is rising up the boards, but I think he's still within reach here. I could be wrong. Could play LT in any scheme, so he's perfect for us, especially if we don't have a HC in place by draft day. *I would hate that*.

Macarthur
10-08-2009, 03:05 PM
Due to Business travel the last 2 weeks, I haven't been able to follow my college watch list. :(

So this week, I have the draft bug in me, so I'll slap together a quick mock.

Round 1 (between pick 15-20).
1. DT Andrew Bailey, Miami - As much as Scott wants to give us a WR, I can't see it. Lee Evans would be a prime guy to go after in FA. We'll have money, especially with Ware's contract not looking to be as high as it was before the season started.

Round 2.
2. S Nate Allen, UCF - Allen is one of my FAVORITES this year. I could see him being talked about as a 1st rounder, but hopefully not. As much I want to see a DT or OT by now... I just can't see the value to beat Allen if he's here.

Round 3.
3. OT Jason Fox, Miami - Taking too many players from Miami can never be a problem. Fox is rising up the boards, but I think he's still within reach here. I could be wrong. Could play LT in any scheme, so he's perfect for us, especially if we don't have a HC in place by draft day. *I would hate that*.

I'm very high on these, D-Unit. I love Bailey and Fox. I think Fox is very underrated.

I also love the idea of going hard after Lee Evans. He's a guy that has kinda flown under the radar because he's had no one to throw him the ball. He would explode here with Romo.

Sniper
10-08-2009, 03:26 PM
1. DT Andrew Bailey, Miami

Allen, not Andrew.

D-Unit
10-08-2009, 05:33 PM
Allen, not Andrew.
No, I meant Andrew. I'm never wrong. *secretly laughing*

ricowboy
10-10-2009, 09:16 AM
I can't predict who I want right know! I will say the positions of need now are O-Line and D-Line. I feel we need a serious infusion of talent on both lines. I am in favor of trading up to fill those needs.

Geo
10-10-2009, 10:05 AM
Lee Evans would be a prime guy to go after in FA
Evans signed a huge contract extension last October, he's now signed through 2012 with the Bills. Unless you mean a trade?

D-Unit
10-10-2009, 11:28 AM
Evans signed a huge contract extension last October, he's now signed through 2012 with the Bills. Unless you mean a trade?
Ah thanks. Updated in my memory bank. ;)

Guess we'll have to draft Golden Tate when he declares at the end of the season. ;)

Staubach12
10-10-2009, 01:48 PM
Let me throw something out here: I would trade our entire draft for Eric Berry. Is anyone here with me?

Geo
10-10-2009, 01:51 PM
Sounds like someone is looking forward to an uncapped league year. :D

herniateddisc
10-10-2009, 02:18 PM
Let me throw something out here: I would trade our entire draft for Eric Berry. Is anyone here with me?

No. Only QB is worth that and it better be the #1 pick for a prospect like Elway or Carson Palmer.

Never for a JeMarcus or Eli or Alex Smith .. guys with ???? marks.

Burns336
10-10-2009, 02:57 PM
Let me throw something out here: I would trade our entire draft for Eric Berry. Is anyone here with me?

You can put Berry and Ed Reed together in our defensive backfield and they will get burned the same way Hamlin and Sensabaugh do if the opposing QB has all day to throw.

can we please get an impact DE? or ILB?

D-Unit
10-10-2009, 08:13 PM
You can put Berry and Ed Reed together in our defensive backfield and they will get burned the same way Hamlin and Sensabaugh do if the opposing QB has all day to throw.

can we please get an impact DE? or ILB?
No. Marcus Spears is great because everyone outside of me and you love him. lol.

Burns336
10-10-2009, 08:57 PM
No. Marcus Spears is great because everyone outside of me and you love him. lol.

I'm interested to look into that dude from Miami you like. I really like Jurrell Casey at USC but he's only a sophmore. Not sure if he's a redshirt or not. He is going to be a beast. He's already the best player in their front 7, shows up much more than Everson Griffin or Chris Gallippo.

Funny thing -- I remember saying we should of drafted Darnelle Ellerbe last year to play ILB and replace Burnett...

I sure as hell hope Jason Williams is a good player because Ellerbre ended up being UDFA and is now starting for the Ravens.

I will also admit that Chris Baker hasn't done anything yet and I really wanted him. He made the Bronco's roster but hasn't been able to crack the rotation on their line.

Screw all this safety talk anyway. Good safeties are going to be available into the 3rd round of this draft. This class is so stacked. No way I would spend a 1st on one.

Paul
10-10-2009, 09:18 PM
I still say moving Ratliff back outside to DE and bringing in a legit NT either through FA, the draft, or both would be the best option for us. Him and Ware coming from the same edge would be hell, and Igor has played pretty well, especially in the Carolina game, so I think he can hold the other DE spot for awhile. Have the Pats made any progress with the contract talks with Wilfork? That would be a dream situation if he hits the market.

Ward
10-11-2009, 12:46 AM
I still say moving Ratliff back outside to DE and bringing in a legit NT either through FA, the draft, or both would be the best option for us. Him and Ware coming from the same edge would be hell, and Igor has played pretty well, especially in the Carolina game, so I think he can hold the other DE spot for awhile. Have the Pats made any progress with the contract talks with Wilfork? That would be a dream situation if he hits the market.

The last I heard was that talks were not happening between Wilfork and the Pats. It sounds like they're either going to tag him or let him walk.

FinChase
10-11-2009, 08:45 PM
How about using a mid-round pick on Jordan Shipley? He's a pretty good WR, and even more important, he's a good PR. We need one of those badly.

herniateddisc
10-11-2009, 08:47 PM
If we go WR I prefer second round and find ourselves a fast, quick twitch WR. A Donald Royal type.

1st round, safety is a must. 3/4/5/6/7 all ILB, NT or OL.

But it all depends on FA and draft depth. S, LT and ILB are all critical need areas.

FinChase
10-11-2009, 10:37 PM
I'd rather spend that first round pick on an LT if anyone's available.

herniateddisc
10-11-2009, 10:38 PM
I am so sick of Flo.

I think his constant errors, and the fact he never pays a price for them, makes other players say "who cares."

D-Unit
10-11-2009, 10:44 PM
If we go WR I prefer second round and find ourselves a fast, quick twitch WR. A Donald Royal type.

1st round, safety is a must. 3/4/5/6/7 all ILB, NT or OL.

But it all depends on FA and draft depth. S, LT and ILB are all critical need areas.
I think you mean Eddy Royal... but yeah. I'm hoping Golden Tate declares. He's that type of player.

MetSox17
10-12-2009, 01:12 AM
I'd absolutely LOVE to have Shipley on our team next year, but honestly, the way he's playing this year, he's gonna earn himself a fat check in the first round. I doubt he drops anywhere near where we'll pick in the second round.

Shipley is pretty much Miles Austin with hands and just top notch route running. He's arguably the best route runner in CFB and he has great hands. He might not clock in at what people want out of a smaller WR, but he is definitely not a slow player.

herniateddisc
10-12-2009, 08:49 AM
...Miles Austin with hands....

And the myth lives!

I must have missed the game b/c he caught everything with his hands and away from his body.

herniateddisc
10-12-2009, 08:50 AM
I think you mean Eddy Royal... but yeah. I'm hoping Golden Tate declares. He's that type of player.

Donald Driver and Eddy Royal got swapped.

Have not seen Tate but I know you know more about College than I do so I will keep an eye on him.

FinChase
10-12-2009, 10:15 AM
I think you mean Eddy Royal... but yeah. I'm hoping Golden Tate declares. He's that type of player.

I'd love Tate but I think he's going to start shooting up draft boards--if he isn't already. I was looking for a WR in lower rounds because I think we need to spend our high picks on line help--OL and DL.

Macarthur
10-12-2009, 10:35 AM
If we go WR I prefer second round and find ourselves a fast, quick twitch WR. A Donald Royal type.

1st round, safety is a must. 3/4/5/6/7 all ILB, NT or OL.

But it all depends on FA and draft depth. S, LT and ILB are all critical need areas.

I agree 100%.

We have got to fix the safety position. Our guys simply can't play. Period. It looks like Sensi might be a guy to keep. I think if we draft a guy high and put him next to sensi, he might be okay. I would prefer to resign sensi, go out and get another S in FA AND draft a guy high. Hamlin needs to go.

It will also be interesting to see if the rookie Hamlin can do anything when he gets in there. Maybe he and Sensi could be our answer. Ken Hamlin has to go. He is pitiful.

D-Unit
10-12-2009, 12:40 PM
The unfortunate thing is that this Safety class looks thin. Berry and Mays will be out of reach and I think Nate Allen will get scooped up early because it gets real crappy after that. Kam Chancellor doesn't look good at all. Some underclassmen like Chad Scott from LSU and Reshad Jones from Georgia are building momentum.

We need to find out about Michael Hamlin though. I'd love to see what he's about.

FinChase
10-12-2009, 01:12 PM
The unfortunate thing is that this Safety class looks thin. Berry and Mays will be out of reach and I think Nate Allen will get scooped up early because it gets real crappy after that. Kam Chancellor doesn't look good at all. Some underclassmen like Chad Scott from LSU and Reshad Jones from Georgia are building momentum.

We need to find out about Michael Hamlin though. I'd love to see what he's about.

I've heard Michael Hamlin may be back after the bye. I definitely want to see what he's got.

Paul
10-12-2009, 01:39 PM
Both Antoine Bethea and Marlin Jackson are FA this coming offseason and I don't know if Indy can keep both. Either of them would be viable options at the safety spot next to Sensabaugh. Jackson is a bit more versatile, capable of playing any DB spot, but Bethea seem to be the better playmaker.

Macarthur
10-12-2009, 01:44 PM
I've heard Michael Hamlin may be back after the bye. I definitely want to see what he's got.

We definately need to find out if this kid has something before the next draft.

thule
10-12-2009, 04:29 PM
I disagree that we need to go after a WR in this draft early. But if we look 2nd round talent should be there. Ton's of quick twitch WR's in this draft. Also like to point out that Dez may fall a bit because of what just happened. And my favorite fit for WR is Mike Williams is going to be a stud. He is a guy I'd love to have if we feel the need to add a WR in the 2nd round. But I'd still rather land Eric Decker if he falls out of the top 2 rounds. He is the only WR I would get excited about drafting.

On the safety note...
Nate Allen is rising up boards...he is a very interesting guy...who could go in that 20-30 range after Berry and Mays go off the board.

MetSox17
10-12-2009, 04:47 PM
We could pray that Earl Thomas declares (which he just might considering the way he's playing this year) and that we can make a move for him. But all things considered, we have to wait to see where we're drafting. The way it looks, we might be in that 18-23 range, which really sucks.

M.O.T.H.
10-12-2009, 05:45 PM
I'm kind of surprised we're talking WR after Miles just had that game. Lets wait a few more weeks, gentlemen. I like what we have at the position, myself. Let's wait it out a little longer.

D-Unit
10-12-2009, 06:02 PM
I'm kind of surprised we're talking WR after Miles just had that game. Lets wait a few more weeks, gentlemen. I like what we have at the position, myself. Let's wait it out a little longer.
For me, the only WR spot I'm talking about is Patrick Crayton's old one. Slot WR. I don't like Crayton man. I like Hurd more than Crayton. Crayton just sucks. ...and he sucks on punt returns too. Absolutely pathetic in that department. Gimme a quick dynamic guy that packs a punch. My boy Golden Tate... or Jacoby Ford who I also like a lot. ;)

thule
10-12-2009, 06:26 PM
We could pray that Earl Thomas declares (which he just might considering the way he's playing this year) and that we can make a move for him. But all things considered, we have to wait to see where we're drafting. The way it looks, we might be in that 18-23 range, which really sucks.

Isn't Thomas a true Sophmore?

MetSox17
10-12-2009, 06:28 PM
Isn't Thomas a true Sophmore?

Naw, RS SO. It would be pretty crazy of him to come out, but he just might. Mack does a pretty good job of keeping his players, but that's mainly cause they don't start getting playing time till they're upper classmen. Thomas has started since last year as a RS Frosh so it might be a little different with him. From a Texas fan perspective, i hope he stays, but if we have a shot at him in the draft, i want him on our team.

Ward
10-12-2009, 08:20 PM
Vince and Jermichael Finley are the only 2 underclassmen I can think of recently to declare early at UT. It's definitely not the norm. I'd covet Thomas as well, but this seems like a long shot at this point.

D-Unit
10-12-2009, 10:30 PM
I haven't heard much hype about Burns' guy Major Wright. Anybody else following him?

MetSox17
10-13-2009, 02:15 AM
Vince and Jermichael Finley are the only 2 underclassmen I can think of recently to declare early at UT. It's definitely not the norm. I'd covet Thomas as well, but this seems like a long shot at this point.

Jamaal Charles as well. I too think it's a long shot. Sergio Kindle came back after last year, so i doubt Thomas leaves, especially with two years of eligibility left. Muschamp might talk him into staying one more year, then being the #1 safety in 2011. It would earn him a whole lot of cash, that's for sure.

Macarthur
10-13-2009, 08:57 AM
For me, the only WR spot I'm talking about is Patrick Crayton's old one. Slot WR. I don't like Crayton man. I like Hurd more than Crayton. Crayton just sucks. ...and he sucks on punt returns too. Absolutely pathetic in that department. Gimme a quick dynamic guy that packs a punch. My boy Golden Tate... or Jacoby Ford who I also like a lot. ;)

I agree. We need a fast twitch muscle guy that is quick as a cat.

Can Tate or Ford return punts?

D-Unit
10-15-2009, 12:08 PM
I agree. We need a fast twitch muscle guy that is quick as a cat.

Can Tate or Ford return punts?
Indubidoubly.