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thebow305
05-01-2009, 08:41 PM
Well, here are my VERY Preliminary 2010 Draft-Eligible Player Rankings by Position:


Quarterbacks:

1. Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
2. Jevan Snead, Mississippi
3. Colt McCoy, Texas
4. Tim Tebow, Florida
5. Dan LeFevour, Central Michigan
6. Tony Pike, Cincinnati
7. Zac Robinson, Oklahoma State
8. Jake Locker, Washington
9. Rusty Smith, Florida Atlantic
10. Tim Hiller, Western Michigan

Running Backs:

1. LaGarrette Blount, Oregon
2. C.J. Spiller, Clemson
3. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech
4. DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
5. Jahvid Best, California
6. Stafon Johnson, Souther California
7. Joe McKnight, Southern California
8. Evan Royster, Penn State
9. Chris Brown, Oklahoma
10. Charles Scott, Louisiana State

Fullbacks:

1. Stanley Havili, Southern California
2. Richard Dickson, Louisiana State
3. Matt Clapp, Oklahoma
4. Cory Jackson, Maryland
5. Dorin Dickerson, Pittsburgh
6. Bobby McClintock, Portland State
7. William Rose, Florida Atlantic
8. Rashawn Jackson, Virginia
9. Bobby Rome, North Carolina
10. Patrick DiMarco, South Carolina

Wide Receivers:

1. Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
2. Damaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
3. Arrelious Benn, Illinois
4. Damian Williams, Southern California
5. Brandon LaFell, Louisiana State
6. Marshawn Gilyard, Cincinnati
7. Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas
8. Greg Matthews, Michigan
9. Jacoby Ford, Clemson
10. Eric Decker, Minnesota

Tight Ends:

1. Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
2. Rob Gronkowski, Arizona
3. Aaron Hernandez, Florida
4. Dennis Pitta, Brigham Young
5. Ed Dickson, Oregon
6. Anthony McCoy, Southern California
7. Nate Byham, Pittsburgh
8. Garrett Graham, Wisconsin
9. Weslye Saunders, South Carolina
10. Andrew Quarless, Penn State

Offensive Tackles:

1. Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
2. Trent Williams, Oklahoma
3. Ciron Black, Louisiana State
4. Bryan Bulaga, Iowa
5. Trinton Sturdivant, Georgia
6. Adam Ulatoski, Texas
7. Sam Young, Notre Dame
8. Anthony Davis, Rutgers
9. Lee Ziemba, Auburn
10. Jason Fox, Miami (Fla.)

Offensive Guards:

1. Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
2. John Jerry, Mississippi
3. Michael Pouncey, Florida
4. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
5. Jim Cordle, Ohio State
6. Mike Johnson, Alabama
7. Brandon Carter, Texas Tech
8. Dan Doering, Iowa
9. Orlando Franklin, Miami (Fla.)
10. Eric Olsen, Notre Dame

Offensive Centers:

1. Kristofer O'Dowd, Southern California
2. Maurkice Pouncey, Florida
3. Josh McNeil, Tennessee
4. Thomas Austin, Clemson
5. John Estes, Hawaii
6. Chris Hall, Texas
7. Ryan McMahon, Florida State
8. Matt Tennant, Boston College
9. Eric Cook, New Mexico
10. Daniel Wenger, Notre Dame

Defensive Ends:

1. Carlos Dunlap, Florida
2. Greg Hardy, Mississippi
3. Everson Griffen, Southern California
4. George Selvie, South Florida
5. Brandon Graham, Michigan
6. Jerry Hughes, Texas Christian
7. Greg Romeus, Pittsburgh
8. Brandon Lang, Troy
9. Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma
10. Ricky Sapp, Clemson

Defensive Tackles:

1. Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma
2. Terrence Cody, Alabama
3. Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
4. Geno Atkins, Georgia
5. Vince Oghobaase, Duke
6. Allen Bailey, Miami (Fla.)
7. Marvin Austin, North Carolina
8. DeMarcus Granger, Oklahoma
9. Al Woods, Louisiana State
10. Jeff Owens, Georgia

Outside Linebackers:

1. Sergio Kindle, Texas
2. Mark Herzlich, Boston College
3. Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
4. Martez Wilson, Illinois
5. Eric Norwood, South Carolina
6. Rico McCoy, Tennessee
7. Rennie Curran, Georgia
8. Navarro Bowman, Penn State
9. Travis Lewis, Oklahoma
10. Stevenson Sylvestre, Utah

Inside Linebackers:

1. Rolando McClain, Alabama
2. Brandon Spikes, Florida
3. Sean Lee, Penn State
4. Micah Johnson, Kentucky
5. Joe Pawalek, Baylor
6. Obi Ezeh, Michigan
7. Darryl Sharpton, Miami (Fla.)
8. Phillip Dillard, Nebraska
9. Jamar Chaney, Mississippi State
10. Ryan D'Imperio, Rutgers

Cornerbacks:

1. Donovan Warren, Michigan
2. Patrick Robinson, Florida State
3. Trevard Lindley, Kentucky
4. Joe Haden, Florida
5. Syd'Quan Thompson, California
6. Javier Arenas, Alabama
7. Crezdon Butler, Clemson
8. Kyle Wilson, Boise State
9. Walter Thurmond, Oregon
10. Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest

Safeties:

1. Eric Berry, Tennessee
2. Taylor Mays, Southern California
3. Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech
4. Major Wright, Florida
5. Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech
6. Myron Rolle, Florida State
7. Reshad Jones, Georgia
8. Chad Jones, Louisiana State
9. Nate Allen, South Florida
10. Antwine Perez, Maryland


Needless to say, there is some SERIOUS talent in next year's class! Let the debate begin!!! :)

marshallb
05-01-2009, 09:01 PM
Great work. I have some disagreements with some minor things, but overall it looks good. Just a few of my disagreements: Benn at 3(I'd say 1 or 2 for sure), Charles Scott is a little low, Spikes at 2, Atkins a little high and Granger a little low, and I'd switch up several things at CB, but overall that looks excellent and is probably the best 2010 rankings I have seen yet.

thebow305
05-01-2009, 09:22 PM
Great work. I have some disagreements with some minor things, but overall it looks good. Just a few of my disagreements: Benn at 3(I'd say 1 or 2 for sure), Charles Scott is a little low, Spikes at 2, Atkins a little high and Granger a little low, and I'd switch up several things at CB, but overall that looks excellent and is probably the best 2010 rankings I have seen yet.

Thanks for your input and kind words! :)

Scott is a little low because he had a down year this past year and I have even heard talk of him moving to fullback some, so I am being cautious with his ranking.

Atkins may be a little high for some, but I happen to know him personally and if he plays to his potential, he could easily be higher than that. The kid has freakish ability and if the desire is there, he can be a BEAST. Granger is also coming off an injury, which is why I have him so low, other than the fact that this is an absolutely LOADED Defensive Tackle class.

And as far as Benn goes, I think he's another guy that doesn't always play to his potential. But it's not like I have him dropping out of the Top 5. He's still a Top 3 guy, it's just that I have a greater love for Damaryius Thomas than most. I think Thomas is going to be a MONSTER this year and possibly emerge as the top WR available for the 2010 draft.

Once again, I appreciate the input. As I said, these are still VERY preliminary and a LOT will change.

Keep the comments coming though guys!

Santonio10
05-01-2009, 09:22 PM
I agre with marshall, great job. I would move Navorro up to #4 or 5 on the OLB list but great job nonetheless.

princefielder28
05-01-2009, 09:34 PM
Where's Arthur Jones????

the decider13
05-01-2009, 09:40 PM
WR and Defense in general is absolutely stacked next year. I think Cody is a little high, I figure Suh and Oghobasse will end up higher. If Cody leans down a little and has a monster season, he could end up that high.

IMO, Travis Lewis should be higher. I'm not sure if he will come out, he is only a (RS) Soph. But if he did come out, I could see him as a definate first round guy, probably even over Witherspoon.

Also, I personally view Lindley as the top corner, but I don't know much about the others except for Haden and Arenas tbh.

thebow305
05-01-2009, 09:40 PM
Where's Arthur Jones????

He just missed out. He would probably be #11 or 12 on my DT rankings, but there are just WAY too many talented DT's in next year's class. As it seems right now, these would be more than a dozen gone by the end of the 2nd and he would probably be one of them.

Of course much will change in a year, but I just felt that there were way too many more talented guys than Jones in the Top 10.

Based solely on performance, he would have easily made the list over Bailey and Woods, but those guys have much more potential and will be much more attractive come draft time. I am also counting on Owens coming back in 2009 and regaining his previous 1st Round-calibre form.

Chris777
05-01-2009, 09:47 PM
damn is Walter Thurmond that good?

went to my high school, single handedly won games for us, about two years older than me

ironman4579
05-01-2009, 09:54 PM
I'm a homer, but I'd have Brandon Graham higher. Everson Griffen is very overrated at this point IMO. His size right now is not overly impressive at 6'3" 265 (compared to 6'2" 270 for Graham). Athletically, I don't see much difference there. Griffen really didn't have a fantastic Soph year IMO (Graham's soph seasons was quite a bit better). We'll see this year with Griffen I guess, but right now I think he's being overrated.

I kind of think Graham should be ahead of Selvie as well. I think Selvie's living off his 2007 season right now. Personally, I'd have Graham #3, Selvie #4, Greg Romeus #5, and Griffen #6 at this point.

thebow305
05-01-2009, 10:07 PM
I'm a homer, but I'd have Brandon Graham higher. Everson Griffen is very overrated at this point IMO. His size right now is not overly impressive at 6'3" 265 (compared to 6'2" 270 for Graham). Athletically, I don't see much difference there. Griffen really didn't have a fantastic Soph year IMO (Graham's soph seasons was quite a bit better). We'll see this year with Griffen I guess, but right now I think he's being overrated.

I kind of think Graham should be ahead of Selvie as well. I think Selvie's living off his 2007 season right now. Personally, I'd have Graham #3, Selvie #4, Greg Romeus #5, and Griffen #6 at this point.

Griffen IS being extremely overrated at the moment, but it is for good reason. He has an amazing Size/Speed ratio and looks to be one of the more physically gifted players at USC coming into the 2009-2010 season. He ran a 4.56 coming out of high school at 6'4" 266 lbs and hasn't done anything but become stronger, leaner, and faster since arriving at SC. Most believe this will be a break out year for him and one that will vaunt him into the Top 15 of next year's draft.

I do agree though that Graham is VERY talented as well and ranks right up there with Griffen in that category. What also makes Graham so special is his versatility. I think come draft time that could help him out tremendously. Coming out of high school, he ranked as one of the Top ILB prospects. Since, he has moved to DE at Michigan, as you know, and has excelled at the new position. This position-flexibility will make him very intriguing to the 3-4 teams in a year as he looks to be a superior fit inside and outside in that scheme. He reminds me a TON of Jasper Brinkley, the ILB from South Carolina. And obviously the Woodley comparrison is one I see often that seems to fit quite well.

TACKLE
05-01-2009, 10:16 PM
I'm a homer, but I'd have Brandon Graham higher. Everson Griffen is very overrated at this point IMO. His size right now is not overly impressive at 6'3" 265 (compared to 6'2" 270 for Graham). Athletically, I don't see much difference there. Griffen really didn't have a fantastic Soph year IMO (Graham's soph seasons was quite a bit better). We'll see this year with Griffen I guess, but right now I think he's being overrated.

I kind of think Graham should be ahead of Selvie as well. I think Selvie's living off his 2007 season right now. Personally, I'd have Graham #3, Selvie #4, Greg Romeus #5, and Griffen #6 at this point.

Although I agree that Graham has been more productive and has proven more on the field, he is not close to Griffen athletically. Griffen is an absolute freak. I know you have to take high school forties with a skeptical eye but he was clocked at a 4.4 and 265lbs. Just insane.

I think Griffen should have a breakout year in 09. Last season, USC ran a lot of 3-4 with Cushing and Matthews on the outside with Rey and Kaluka inside. Everson was not a good fit in that defense. This year, because their personnel, they will be running a lot more 4-3 so Griffen will have more opportunities to rush the passer.

ironman4579
05-01-2009, 10:32 PM
Although I agree that Graham has been more productive and has proven more on the field, he is not close to Griffen athletically. Griffen is an absolute freak. I know you have to take high school forties with a skeptical eye but he was clocked at a 4.4 and 265lbs. Just insane.

I think Griffen should have a breakout year in 09. Last season, USC ran a lot of 3-4 with Cushing and Matthews on the outside with Rey and Kaluka inside. Everson was not a good fit in that defense. This year, because their personnel, they will be running a lot more 4-3 so Griffen will have more opportunities to rush the passer.

I don't know. In the MSU game I saw him gaining on Javon Ringer in the open field on a long TD run. Not that Ringer is incredibly fast, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Graham run in the high 4.5's or better at some point, whether combine or pro day. I'm not saying that would compete with a 4.4, but I've seen plenty of guys that ran supposed 4.3's in high school then run 4.5+ at the combine.

JHG722
05-01-2009, 11:02 PM
Tim Hiller>Rusty Smith

Solomon
05-01-2009, 11:06 PM
Good work. A couple of points though:

Al Woods has really done nothing up to this point. If he deserves a spot then Robert Rose and Vidal Hazelton probably do as well. I'd rather have someone like Brian Price or Arthor Jones in the top 10 myself.

Likewise Donovan Warren certainly has the physical tools to belong on that list but I'm not sure he deserves to be #1 quite yet. It doesn't look like the strongest year for corners though so who knows.

I really think Greg Jones of Michigan State is going to emerge as a first day prospect when all is said and done. Really reminds me of Ernie Sims. Projects as an OLB at the next level.

Also the defensive end class looks stacked so I understand if a few top guys didn't get included but I'll still throw out their names:

Oklahoma's Auston English: Yep OU has yet another top D-Linemen. English has been productive the last two seasons and when healthy is a beast off the edge.

Georgia Tech's Derrick Morgan: Morgan has great size and the intangibles and motor that Michael Johnson lacked. It'll be interesting to see how he performs this year without the rest of his 2008 Yellow Jacket linemates who are all in the NFL.

Northwestern's Corey Wootton: He'll have an uphill battle recovering from knee surgery but previously he was a force against the run and the pass.

LSU's Rahim Alem: A top prospect out of high school, Alem is starting to live up to the hype. He was a first team All-SEC selection last year.

Virginia Tech's Jason Worilds: The next Hokie defensive star, Worilds should improve on his 18.5 TFL and 8 sacks since he notched them while playing through injuries in 2008.

Arizona State's Dexter Davis: The most underappreciated end in the country probably projects best as an OLB in the pros. He has racked up more than 10 sacks in each of the past 2 years and had 6 sacks and 10.5 TFL as a freshman.

fischbowl
05-02-2009, 12:40 AM
This list lacks a serious UB presence

Starks, Davonte, Naaman are all top 10 talents this year

JHG722
05-02-2009, 12:58 AM
This list lacks a serious UB presence

Starks, Davonte, Naaman are all top 10 talents this year

Yup. You're absolutely correct.

Mr. Hero
05-02-2009, 01:23 AM
Why do you hate UB?

GhostDeini
05-02-2009, 01:28 AM
Allen Bailey will play DT this coming season out of neccessity, but projects as 3-4 end at the next level.

underscore
05-02-2009, 06:32 AM
Jared Odrick is certainly missing from the DT rankings.

Unbiased
05-02-2009, 06:38 AM
I'm not sure about Al Woods and Jeff Owens over Arthur Jones.

Sniper
05-02-2009, 06:53 AM
Greg Mathews and Donovan Warren are entirely too high. Brandon Graham is too low.

ironman4579
05-02-2009, 09:13 AM
Greg Mathews and Donovan Warren are entirely too high. Brandon Graham is too low.

Completely agree with Graham being too low, as stated above.

I think Warren has the tools, but I'd reluctantly have to agree. After his soph year, he probably shouldn't be #1. Although I think a large part of his sturggles were due to injury and terrible defensive scheme. He may be the best man cover corner in the last couple years, but his zone awareness could certainly be better. If I was a team like Green Bay that plays alot of man, I think I actually would have him at the top of my CB rankings. If I played mostly zone, he'd be farther down my list. My biggest concern with him id he tends to use his hands a little too much downfield. That's fine in college, but he'd be getting flagged alot more in the NFL.

I also completely agree about Mathews being far too high. He has good size and tools, but he's rarely shown anything that makes you say "wow!"

Sniper
05-02-2009, 09:15 AM
Ironman, you know that I think the world of Warren. However, after last year, excuses and all, he's not near the #1 corner. I do agree that he can definitely climb the charts quickly.

ironman4579
05-02-2009, 09:35 AM
Ironman, you know that I think the world of Warren. However, after last year, excuses and all, he's not near the #1 corner. I do agree that he can definitely climb the charts quickly.

I agree, although I think he's a little higher than I think you do. Like I said, as a man corner I think he's right at the top. As a zone CB, he's got some work to do. As an all around CB, I wouldn't put him at the top at this point.

Xonraider
05-02-2009, 09:48 AM
next year is loaded!!!

BamaFalcon59
05-02-2009, 09:53 AM
Stephan Virgil should be in the top 10 cornerbacks. Moving to the boundary corner to replace Macho Harris; had six interceptions, a couple forced fumbles, a blocked punt, and a returned 2 point conversion last season.

Jason Worilds is one of the best defensive ends in the country. Best player on Virginia Tech.'s team. He has shoulder problems and isn't very tall, but he is extremely fast (4.5-4.6), has good bulk (255 at 6'2"), is powerful (weight room monster, has pancaked blockers), and productive (18.5 tackles for loss, 8 sacks as a sophmore with one arm due to his shoulder). Absolute beast.

Ed Wang may be in the top ten senior offensive tackles. Model size and athleticism, but he hasn't produced.

Also watch out for DT John Graves. Upcoming junior who started last year, built like a tank and can play 3-4 end or 4-3 DT. Great athlete.

I'll keep away from younger players and unproven commodities.

Michigan
05-02-2009, 09:53 AM
Donovan Warren should not be a first round pick as of now. He has great size, very fluid hips, and great athleticism but like Ironman said, he's nothing but a man corner right now. He's awful in run support, gets caught too often peeking at the QB, has brick hands, and barely improved from his impressive freshman season. Part of what made him look bad was an ankle injury and a change in coaches, but he definitely needs to show something this year to justify his hype.

Oh, and I don't think Obi Ezeh is a top 10 MLB (although I don't really know how strong the MLB crop is nationally). He has an impressive size+athleticism combination, but he gets lost on almost every play. It's a good thing he's a junior though, which makes me wonder why he's on the list at all...

wicket
05-02-2009, 09:58 AM
overall, really good job. Just a question though. If you dont have Jimmy Clausen in there cuz you think he wont leave early Dan Wenger can also be removed (since he will be back for a fifth for sure) otherwise where is Jimmy? ;)

Todd Bertuzzi
05-02-2009, 10:06 AM
This thread needs more Jimmy Clausen and Noel Devine, haha but seriously good job.

thebow305
05-02-2009, 10:20 AM
overall, really good job. Just a question though. If you dont have Jimmy Clausen in there cuz you think he wont leave early Dan Wenger can also be removed (since he will be back for a fifth for sure) otherwise where is Jimmy? ;)

It's not that I don't think he will leave, because these are all draft-eligible rankings. It's just that I don't think he is that good. He would probably make my Top 15, but he is far from an NFL-ready quarterback at this point.

Sorry. :( I did give some love to Sam and Danny though.

wicket
05-02-2009, 10:29 AM
It's not that I don't think he will leave, because these are all draft-eligible rankings. It's just that I don't think he is that good. He would probably make my Top 15, but he is far from an NFL-ready quarterback at this point.

Sorry. :( I did give some love to Sam and Danny though.

fair enough, each his own opinion. As a ND fan I would have Eric Olsen higher (5/6th) and Jimmy in there somewhere between 5-7 (mainly because he is being taught in a good enviroment to become a pro qb) and I dont think I would have Dan Wenger in there, he is okay, good maybe but not that good. (to be completely honest imo he isnt even our best center)

BamaFalcon59
05-02-2009, 10:31 AM
Clausen is far more pro ready than a Zak Robinson or Jake Locker.

Addict
05-02-2009, 11:14 AM
this class looks amazingly strong... that said i'm still not crazy about the QB class.

Michigan
05-02-2009, 11:18 AM
this class looks amazingly strong... that said i'm still not crazy about the QB class.

Yeah. As of now, I wouldn't want my team's future in the hands of any of those ten QB's.

Cigaro
05-02-2009, 11:19 AM
What's up with every one putting Richard Dickson at fullback? He plays tight end, and there's no reason that I see that he can't stay there in the pros.

Addict
05-02-2009, 11:22 AM
Yeah. As of now, I wouldn't want my team's future in the hands of any of those ten QB's.

well tbh I guess we're both trying to say that waiting to draft a QB a year wasn't an option, amirite.

But the fact still is I don't like there qb's.

BigBanger
05-02-2009, 11:37 AM
This class is loaded? Maybe at Safety (Potentially), WR (Truly legit) and LB (Disgustingly legit), but other than that? QB class is ten times worse than the one we just saw. RB class is putrid, again. I'd probably have the backup for OU #1 and Blount #2. The OT class will see a dramatic drop compared to the last two years. Interior line looks rather bland, again.

CB? Warren #1? Lindley top 3? Ouch. The CB class is going to be awful.

DT class? All hype. If Austin played the way he did his first two years in the NFL the way he has in college, people would be calling him a bust. He's been shockingly average.

TEs will see a pretty big drop off compared to this year even though its solid.

With that all BS said, it will probably be as strong a class as ay class is. All this BS about this year being weak is just BS. 2006 was supposed to be the greatest class ever, and it's seen one disappointment after another. Media hype determines how strong a class is. This class will not be loaded. It wont be weak. It'll be the same as the rest of them.

griff2213
05-02-2009, 02:17 PM
This class is loaded? Maybe at Safety (Potentially), WR (Truly legit) and LB (Disgustingly legit), but other than that? QB class is ten times worse than the one we just saw. RB class is putrid, again. I'd probably have the backup for OU #1 and Blount #2. The OT class will see a dramatic drop compared to the last two years. Interior line looks rather bland, again.

CB? Warren #1? Lindley top 3? Ouch. The CB class is going to be awful.

DT class? All hype. If Austin played the way he did his first two years in the NFL the way he has in college, people would be calling him a bust. He's been shockingly average.

TEs will see a pretty big drop off compared to this year even though its solid.

With that all BS said, it will probably be as strong a class as ay class is. All this BS about this year being weak is just BS. 2006 was supposed to be the greatest class ever, and it's seen one disappointment after another. Media hype determines how strong a class is. This class will not be loaded. It wont be weak. It'll be the same as the rest of them.

I couldn't agree with you anymore. Right before every draft people usually start saying how the draft isn't that talented and how crazy talented the class next year is. I think this draft is more talented than usual but it's not out of this world. DT is ridiculous. DE is legit. LB's are sick. RB's are eh but I think Dwyer will be a great prospect. And naturally Berry and Mays are ridiculous.

iBoldin
05-02-2009, 02:30 PM
This class is loaded? Maybe at Safety (Potentially), WR (Truly legit) and LB (Disgustingly legit), but other than that? QB class is ten times worse than the one we just saw. RB class is putrid, again. I'd probably have the backup for OU #1 and Blount #2. The OT class will see a dramatic drop compared to the last two years. Interior line looks rather bland, again.

CB? Warren #1? Lindley top 3? Ouch. The CB class is going to be awful.

DT class? All hype. If Austin played the way he did his first two years in the NFL the way he has in college, people would be calling him a bust. He's been shockingly average.

TEs will see a pretty big drop off compared to this year even though its solid.

With that all BS said, it will probably be as strong a class as ay class is. All this BS about this year being weak is just BS. 2006 was supposed to be the greatest class ever, and it's seen one disappointment after another. Media hype determines how strong a class is. This class will not be loaded. It wont be weak. It'll be the same as the rest of them.

The running back class was putrid? Golly, I guess Knowshon Moreno, Donald Brown, Chris Wells, and LeSean McCoy don't do you justice then. While this years likely won't be as good, this last year, or the before wasn't "putrid" like you would suggest.

Offensive Tackles are going to be deep, and are led by Okung and Bulaga, Bulaga being a legit top five talent regardless of position. He is insane, and he is undoubtedly my number one offensive tackle right now as well.

Defensive Tackle class isn't all hype. Suh, McCoy, Oghobaase, Cody, etc. weren't all hype at all. If Marvin Austin is the best you can produce at being "all hype" then clearly you are wrong good sir.

Corners look worse. Quarterbacks look worse. I honestly can't say too much looks worse though, besides possibly running backs and kickers, I suppose.

Tight ends have three or four guys with legit first round talent. Gronkowski, Gresham, Ed Dickson, Richard Dickson, Dennis Pitta, Aaron Hernandez, etc.

It'll have much more hype then the '09 class and is much, much deeper, and stacked than last year at this time. Time will tell, though.

nepg
05-02-2009, 02:46 PM
I think it's a waste of time/effort to put LeFavour, Locker, and Tebow in QB rankings... How about Todd Reesing & Max Hall?

princefielder28
05-02-2009, 03:18 PM
I think it's a waste of time/effort to put LeFavour, Locker, and Tebow in QB rankings... How about Todd Reesing & Max Hall?

What the hell is wrong with Dan LeFevour??? Explain yourself.

thebow305
05-02-2009, 06:36 PM
I think it's a waste of time/effort to put LeFavour, Locker, and Tebow in QB rankings... How about Todd Reesing & Max Hall?

Well I think it's a waste of time to make a post like this and not explain yourself.

Max Hall is a system quarterback ala John Back and Reesing is a generous 5'11". Neither can touch the potential of any of the QB's I have on that list.

Most will argue Tebow and Locker are system QB's as well, but depending on how well White is utilized with our offense this year, there may just be a spot for those guys in the NFL after all. Especially if their mechanics can be tweaked a little, there is some big time potential there.

Matthew Jones
05-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Snead sticks out as being overrated IMO. Nice arm, good size...not much experience or accuracy. I think McCoy is better at this point. I think Charles Scott is also a bit low but that RB class is stacked. Benn is too low for me at WR, same with Decker. I also think Mays is the #1 safety, maybe that's just me.

thebow305
05-07-2009, 02:13 AM
I'm thinking about adding James Starks, RB, Buffalo to this list. I've been watching a lot on him lately and he looks legit. And also looking at his height/weight (6'2" 211) and his stats (1103 yards, 12 TD's as a Sophomore and 1333 yards, 16 TD's as a Junior), you can't argue with either.

Anyone know anything else about this guy that I don't? How come he isn't getting more pub, other than the obvious reason that he plays for Buffalo. :)

LizardState
05-07-2009, 10:39 AM
Strongest positions: DT, S, ILB/OLB, O-line, QB.

Weakest: RB, TE.

DE/OLB designated passrusher is the hotbutton position nowadays so it's loaded as usual. WR is mediocre, not outstanding but I like Brandon Lafell & Dez Bryant. All the Big 12 TEs seem to have gone except Gresham with Oklahoma, big dropoff after him.

fischbowl
05-07-2009, 11:17 AM
I'm thinking about adding James Starks, RB, Buffalo to this list. I've been watching a lot on him lately and he looks legit. And also looking at his height/weight (6'2" 211) and his stats (1103 yards, 12 TD's as a Sophomore and 1333 yards, 16 TD's as a Junior), you can't argue with either.

Anyone know anything else about this guy that I don't? How come he isn't getting more pub, other than the obvious reason that he plays for Buffalo. :)

You mean Buffalo, the now legitimate MAC champions. He's got publicity, you just haven't noticed

SuperMcGee
05-07-2009, 01:35 PM
I'm thinking about adding James Starks, RB, Buffalo to this list. I've been watching a lot on him lately and he looks legit. And also looking at his height/weight (6'2" 211) and his stats (1103 yards, 12 TD's as a Sophomore and 1333 yards, 16 TD's as a Junior), you can't argue with either.

Anyone know anything else about this guy that I don't? How come he isn't getting more pub, other than the obvious reason that he plays for Buffalo. :)

Kiper was talking him up a lot at the end of the year, almost raving about him. He would've liked if he declared, from what I remember.
Scott has also been impressed with him. He's legit.

Obviously I'm doing my part, as well.

D-Unit
05-07-2009, 01:43 PM
Tell me what you like about John Estes to have him as your #5 Center.

thebow305
05-07-2009, 01:55 PM
Tell me what you like about John Estes to have him as your #5 Center.

Good size at 6'3" 295 lbs and a 2 year starter (26 games) since his sophomore year. He took over for Satele two years ago and really didn't miss a beat. Has been the anchor of that line IMO on one of the top scoring offenses the past 2 years.

What's not to like? Do you not agree?

thebow305
05-07-2009, 02:00 PM
Kiper was talking him up a lot at the end of the year, almost raving about him. He would've liked if he declared, from what I remember.
Scott has also been impressed with him. He's legit.

Obviously I'm doing my part, as well.

Well, where would you say he fits into those RB rankings I have. I'm really not sure. To be honest, I'm not sure where any of those guys fit in after Blount. I think Blount is number one, and that the rest are in the Top 10 at the position, but just not sure where.

D-Unit
05-08-2009, 06:23 PM
Good size at 6'3" 295 lbs and a 2 year starter (26 games) since his sophomore year. He took over for Satele two years ago and really didn't miss a beat. Has been the anchor of that line IMO on one of the top scoring offenses the past 2 years.

What's not to like? Do you not agree?
Estes stinks. Way to mentally unstable. Loses his cool way too much. Is too small to be an NFL Center, there's no way he is at that listed size. Lacks the ability lead. The OL took a major step backwards after Satele left. Estes did not step up at all. But he's better than the other scrubs we got, so I have to cheer for him. I love to hype up Hawaii players, but this guy is a joke.

BigBanger
05-08-2009, 07:00 PM
The running back class was putrid? Golly, I guess Knowshon Moreno, Donald Brown, Chris Wells, and LeSean McCoy don't do you justice then. While this years likely won't be as good, this last year, or the before wasn't "putrid" like you would suggest.

Offensive Tackles are going to be deep, and are led by Okung and Bulaga, Bulaga being a legit top five talent regardless of position. He is insane, and he is undoubtedly my number one offensive tackle right now as well.

Defensive Tackle class isn't all hype. Suh, McCoy, Oghobaase, Cody, etc. weren't all hype at all. If Marvin Austin is the best you can produce at being "all hype" then clearly you are wrong good sir.

Corners look worse. Quarterbacks look worse. I honestly can't say too much looks worse though, besides possibly running backs and kickers, I suppose.

Tight ends have three or four guys with legit first round talent. Gronkowski, Gresham, Ed Dickson, Richard Dickson, Dennis Pitta, Aaron Hernandez, etc.

It'll have much more hype then the '09 class and is much, much deeper, and stacked than last year at this time. Time will tell, though.
'09 RB class was nothing special and had no depth. '10 looks to be putrid. Moreno and Brown were both excellent prospects. Top 20 caliber players, but after that? Andre Brown and LeSean McCoy are the only two guys that I consider starting caliber players, and McCoy can't carry the load for a team. Doesn't have the size. TJ Duckett will be a bust. I mean Chris Wells.

Terrence Cody? Garbage. He is the epitome of hype. I'll focus in on him for his first three games, and if he plays like a first rounder, I'll give an extensive and detailed report on why he looks like a first rounder. If he plays like anything less, I'll do the same. Right now, he's fat, out of shape and just plain bigger than everyone else and that's how he gets by. Nothing more than a space eater. He can't move and he plays high. A freshman from Georgia, Ben Jones, destroyed him. That kid reminds me of Ryan Kalil, who I thought was a top 25 player, and when he's eligible I'll probably have Jones ranked similarly. Marvin Austin has no business even being mentioned. Until he does something, there's no point in talking about him. There might be two people on this entire site that have even seen the DT from Duke even play. Internet hype.

Those TEs are not that good. Gronkowski might be the best of that group. It's hard to evaluate Greshman when every catch he makes, he's pretty much wide open. Very good blocker though. Aaron Hernandez doesn't even run NFL routes. He's incredibly raw. How's he going in the first round? Way too early for that kind of talk. He's gotta do something first. I like Ed Dickson (mostly due to his potential) a lot, but first round? Second or third kind of guy to me, unless he greatly improves. I haven't watched him block. He has the size to be a good blocker and he's athletic enough to be a very good receiving option, so he could be a riser. You also have to consider that maybe two TEs are going in round 1, and it's a position where they usually fall.

Me Likey Rookies
05-11-2009, 03:10 AM
Could people that watch Illinois tell me why Arrelious Benn's td numbers are so awful?

princefielder28
05-11-2009, 09:31 AM
Could people that watch Illinois tell me why Arrelious Benn's td numbers are so awful?

Juice Williams is his QB.

Sniper
05-11-2009, 09:36 AM
TJ Duckett will be a bust. I mean Chris Wells.

Chris Wells plays nothing like T.J Duckett.

Menardo75
05-11-2009, 01:06 PM
Austin English should be on their instead of Beal.

etk
05-11-2009, 02:27 PM
Marvin Austin has no business even being mentioned. Until he does something, there's no point in talking about him.

These words are VERY true.

BallerT1215
05-11-2009, 07:51 PM
Juice Williams is his QB.

I second this.

Michigan
05-11-2009, 08:06 PM
Chris Wells plays nothing like T.J Duckett.

T.J. Duckett was more physical...

SenorGato
05-11-2009, 08:43 PM
Why does Boo Robinson get no love?

Because this DT class is stacked.

princefielder28
05-11-2009, 08:44 PM
Why does Boo Robinson get no love?

Because this DT class is stacked.

Boo reminds me alot of Raji