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Manic Depressant
05-03-2009, 04:56 PM
Principles:
1. Stockpile draft talent; pick smart, with an eye on the future.
2. Make a big move only when necessary.
3. Try to avoid having to rely on the draft for immediate help.
4. Make a tough decision and cut losses when when necessary.
5. Know when the team is too good to make use of all its draft picks and sell a few for future years.
6. Stay ahead of problems.

Best Drafting Teams:
Pittsburgh Steelers
Philadelphia Eagles
Green Bay Packers
New York Giants
Baltimore Ravens
New England Patriots

Almost There Teams:
Atlanta Falcons
Arizona Cardinals
Miami Dolphins

This is all from this Pat Kirwan article: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d810140cb&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Pretty interesting stuff I thought some of you might be interested in.

Cigaro
05-03-2009, 05:16 PM
As far as the first round is concerned, the Panthers have been damn good since and including the 2005 draft. Thomas Davis, DeAngelo Williams, Jon Beason, Jonathan Stewart, and Jeff Otah.

Shane P. Hallam
05-03-2009, 05:21 PM
This is what makes me happy to be a Steeler fan. We don't have the most money. We don't have the most attractive city (far from it,) but man, we draft well. And no one knows Kevin Colbert's name. We know Jerry Reese and Ozzie Newsome and Ted Thompson (and for damn good reason,) but Colbert flies under the radar.

Without good drafting, we would be pretty screwed, lol.

pr0d1gy
05-03-2009, 05:22 PM
Go back before 2005 and the Falcons' drafts look like the who's who of the NFL wash-outs...lol

bigbluedefense
05-03-2009, 05:22 PM
The Colts should be on that list too.

The Giants have been ballers since Reese took over in 2007. This past draft might have been his best draft yet. I was doing cartwheels on our first 5 picks.

bigbluedefense
05-03-2009, 05:23 PM
This is what makes me happy to be a Steeler fan. We don't have the most money. We don't have the most attractive city (far from it,) but man, we draft well. And no one knows Kevin Colbert's name. We know Jerry Reese and Ozzie Newsome and Ted Thompson (and for damn good reason,) but Colbert flies under the radar.

Without good drafting, we would be pretty screwed, lol.

Extremely underrated GM. I love how the Steelers draft. A lot of guys I like get drafted by the Steelers.

GhostDeini
05-03-2009, 05:28 PM
Best drafting teams:
1. Patriots - Pats are extorting the league. They keep trading down for extra picks and your dumb@zz GM's keep helping them out.
2. Ravens - Ozzie Newsome is the best GM in the business IMO. He really is alot smarter than anybody else when it comes down to it. How is it that Ravens keep drafting Pro Bowler after Pro Bowler ? It's cuz they jump all over guys who slip and theyre only ones to realize their value.
3. Steelers - 2 Head Coaches in ___ year span ? Thats stability. That means they know what theyre doing and stick to their formula. Draft hard nose FOOTBALL PLAYERS.

Honorable mention - Giants, Panthers, Eagles, Chargers, Cardinals as of late

Giantsfan1080
05-03-2009, 05:33 PM
The Colts should be on that list too.

The Giants have been ballers since Reese took over in 2007. This past draft might have been his best draft yet. I was doing cartwheels on our first 5 picks.

Accorsi's 03, 04, and 05 drafts were money as well and really set up the team for where we are now.

GhostDeini
05-03-2009, 05:36 PM
Colts drafting has been overrated. They go for small, dome speed guys on defense. If they had bigger defense they woulda won more SuperBowls.

RealityCheck
05-03-2009, 05:38 PM
Principles:
1. Stockpile draft talent; pick smart, with an eye on the future.
2. Make a big move only when necessary.
3. Try to avoid having to rely on the draft for immediate help.
4. Make a tough decision and cut losses when when necessary.
5. Know when the team is too good to make use of all its draft picks and sell a few for future years.
6. Stay ahead of problems.
7. Do not draft small school free agent safeties in the 2nd round.

Fixed. :D

Nalej
05-03-2009, 05:40 PM
Fixed. :D

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Addict
05-03-2009, 05:48 PM
this list is so stupid, why aren't the Lions on it?!

kalbears13
05-03-2009, 06:04 PM
I think if you compare the five years since 2005 and the 5 years before it the Browns have had the best turn around. :D

whatadai
05-03-2009, 06:17 PM
Fixed. :D

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh297/vivektnarain/aldavis.jpg

holt_bruce81
05-03-2009, 06:50 PM
The Cardinals have had some great drafts the last few years. To me they should be on the "Best Drafting Teams" list.

JHG722
05-03-2009, 07:18 PM
Our drafts have been decent of late, but overall, Andy and Co. can't draft.

wicket
05-04-2009, 02:26 AM
saints have alternated between good and bad years recently.
2005 Jammal Brown worked out great but josh bullocks is still in the league but blows and the rest is either out of the league or are yet to record their first start.
2006: Reggie Bush may not be the superstar people expected but he still is a gamechanger. Add harper, evans, strief and colston and its a VERY good class.
2007 Maechem was a weird first round pick and he and Young are the only guys who still are with the saints. Bad draft.
2008 Sedrick Ellis had a really good rookie season, as did Tracy Porter until he got injured. Carl Nicks is a more then solid starter and the sound out of training camp last year were VERY positive about Arrington and Pressley. If they work out in the way the staff is leading us to believe they will this will be a draft with just 1 waisted pick which is insanely good.
2009 Is yet to be seen but given recent record this class should dissapoint

cdf_2108
05-04-2009, 02:31 AM
chargers, giants should be on best drafting list.
texans should be on almost there list if not best for last 3 years...

i'm a pats fan and i would actually say they should be an honorable mention.
if it weren't for the trading of picks, the patriots team would only be solid by being able to trade picks and attract hungry veterans at a cheap price. While this strategy has proved very successful for them in recent history, their draft pick success rate has been pretty low--it seems like they go for homerun hits and mostly strike out.

last year's draft yielded one stud starter (can't complain) and a bunch of trash and only one player from 2007's draft is on the team (meriweather) and 2006 had chad "bust" jackson and laurency "happy feet" maroney. Solid efforts but not enough on its own to be in the best list.

TitanHope
05-04-2009, 02:58 AM
Don't really like the requirements listed.

It looks like he just hand picked examples for his "principles."

BuddyCHRIST
05-04-2009, 01:42 PM
I feel like the Chargers and Cardinals really built the core of their team through the draft and is why they were able to turn around years of bad teams into competitors so fast. The Chargers have drafted alot of pro bowlers and I'd been praising how well the Cardinals had been drafting the past few years and it finally all came together.

UKfan
05-04-2009, 01:55 PM
I have to be honest, I am surprised the Colts are not getting more mentions, Polian is generally money in the draft and a lot of our team is built through it, especially when you think how little we use FA's.

D-Unit
05-04-2009, 02:05 PM
18 players on the roster today from the drafts between 2005-08. 4 Pro Bowlers.

Not even counting the players that have contributed significantly like Chris Canty, Kevin Burnett and Anthony Fasano.


Made it:
Felix Jones
Mike Jenkins
Martellus Bennett
Tashard Choice
Orlando Scandrick
Anthony Spencer
Isaiah Stanback
Doug Free
Nick Folk
Deon Anderson
Courtney Brown
Alan Ball
Bobby Carpenter
Pat Watkins
DeMarcus Ware
Marcus Spears
Marion Barber
Jay Ratliff

Lost in FA
Kevin Burnett
Chris Canty

Traded
Anthony Fasano

Busted:
Erik Walden - 6th Rounder
James Marten - 3rd Rounder
Skyler Green - 4th Rounder
Montavious Stanley - 6th Rounder
EJ Whitley - 7th Rounder
Justin Beriault - 6th Rounder
Rob Petitti - 6th Rounder

Donno
05-04-2009, 02:14 PM
I agree the Panthers should be an almost there team, just the past two years with Kalil and Everette Brown.

SeanTaylorRIP
05-04-2009, 02:28 PM
I agree the Panthers should be an almost there team, just the past two years with Kalil and Everette Brown.

We are already labeling Everette Brown a great pick??? even if that future first rounder they traded for him turns out to be Carlos Dunlap?

Mr. Goosemahn
05-04-2009, 04:25 PM
Best Drafting Teams Since 2005. Green is starter, red is out of team. Not counting most recent draft as we can't yet evaluate how they play.

In no particular order:

San Diego Chargers: 11 Starters
2005
1. DE/OLB Shawne Merriman
1. DT/DE Luis Castillo
2. WR Vincent Jackson
4. RB Darren Sproles
5. OT Wesley Britt
6. OT Wes Sims
7. C Scott Mruczkowski

2006
1. CB Antonio Cromartie
2. OT Marcus McNeil
3. QB Charlie Whitehurst
5. LB Tim Dobbins
6. OT Jeromey Clary
6. K Kurt Smith
7. DT Chase Page
7. OT Jimmy Martin

2007
1. WR Craig Davis
2. S Eric Weddle
3. LB Anthony Waters
4. TE Scott Chandler
*****4. S Paul Oliver***** - Supplemental Draft
5. WR Legedu Naanee
7. LB Brandon Siler
UDFA - LB Jyles Tucker

2008
1. CB Antoine Cason
3. FB Jacob Hester
5. RB Marcus Thomas
6. CB DeJuan Tribble
7. OT Corey Clark
UDFA - FB Mike Tolbert

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Indianapolis Colts: 10 Starters
2005
1. CB Marlin Jackson
2. CB Kelvin Hayden
3. DE Vincent Burns
4. OG Dylan Gandy
4. S Mike Giordano
5. DE Jonathan Welsh
5. C Robert Hunt
5. LB Tyjuan Hagler
6. K Dave Rayner
7. RB Anthony Davis

2006
1. RB Joseph Addai
2. CB Tim Jennings
3. LB Freddie Keiaho
5. OG Michael Toudouze
6. OT Charlie Johnson
6. S Antoine Bethea
7. CB T.J. Rushing

2007
1. WR Anthony Gonzalez
2. OT Tony Ugoh
3. CB Daymeion Hughes
3. DT Quinn Pitcock
4. S Brannon Condren
4. LB Clint Session
5. WR Roy Hall
5. CB Michael Coe
7. LB Keyunta Dawson
UDFA - DB Melvin Bullit

2008
2. G Mike Pollack
3. LB Phillip Wheeler
4. TE Jacob Tamme
5. DE Marcus Howard
6. TE Tom Santi
6. C Steve Justice
6. RB Mike Hart
6. WR Pierre Garcon
7. C Jamey Richard
UDFA - OT Eric Foster

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Pittsburgh Steelers: 10 Starters (one just left)
2005
1. TE Heath Miller
2. CB Bryant McFadden (but left team)
3. OL Trai Essex
4. WR Fred Gibson
5. LB Rian Wallace
6. OG Kris Kemoeatu
7. DT/DE Shaun Nua
7. RB Noah Herron
UDFA - WR Nate Washington

2006
1. WR Santonio Holmes
3. S Anthony Smith
3. WR Willie Reid
4. OG Willie Colon
4. DT Orien Harris
5. QB Omar Jacobs
5. TE Charles Davis
6. C Marvin Phillip
7. RB Cedric Humes

2007
1. LB Lawrence Timmons
2. DE/OLB LaMarr Woodley
3. TE Matt Spaeth
4. P Daniel Sepulveda
4. DT/DE Ryan McBean
5. OG Cameron Stephenson
5. CB William Gay
7. WR Dallas Baker
UDFA - C/OG Darnell Stapleton

2008
1. RB Rashard Mendenhall
2. WR Limas Sweed
3. DE/OLB Bruce Davis
4. OT Tony Hills
5. QB Dennis Dixon
6. LB Mike Humpal
6. LB Ryan Mundy

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New York Giants: 10 Starters (one just left)
2005
2. CB Corey Webster
3. DE Justin Tuck
4. RB Brandon Jacobs
6. DE Eric Moore
UDFA - S James Butler (left this offseason)

2006
1. DE Mathias Kiwanuka
2. WR Sinorice Moss
3. LB Gerris Wilkinson
4. DT Barry Cofield
4. OT Guy Whimper
5. S Charlie Peprah
7. CB Gerrick McPhearson

2007
1. CB Aaron Ross
2. WR Steve Smith
3. DT Jay Alford
4. LB Zack DeOssie
5. TE Kevin Boss
6. OT Adam Koets
7. S Michael Johnson
7. RB Ahmad Bradshaw

2008
1. S Kenny Phillips
2. CB Terrell Thomas
3. WR Mario Manningham
4. LB Bryan Kehl
5. LB Jonathan Goff
6. QB Andre Woodson
6. DE Robert Henderson

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Other great drafting teams since 2005: Dallas, Patriots, Panthers.

Both Dallas and Patriots had sensational 2005 drafts, while the Panthers have hit gold-mines in the first round with DeAngelo Williams, Jon Beason, Jonathan Stewart, and Jeff Otah.

Now, on the other hand,

THE WORST DRAFT SINCE 2005 GOES TO:

(drumroll)






























wait for it.....

































The Minnesota Vikings and their 2005 Draft!

0 starters

0 players left on the team

1. WR Troy Williamson
1. DE Erasmus James
2. OT Marcus Johnson
3. CB Dustin Fox
4. RB Ciatrick Fason
6. DT C.J. Mosley
7. CB Adrian Ward

Bigburt63
05-04-2009, 04:57 PM
chargers, giants should be on best drafting list.
texans should be on almost there list if not best for last 3 years...

i'm a pats fan and i would actually say they should be an honorable mention.
if it weren't for the trading of picks, the patriots team would only be solid by being able to trade picks and attract hungry veterans at a cheap price. While this strategy has proved very successful for them in recent history, their draft pick success rate has been pretty low--it seems like they go for homerun hits and mostly strike out.

last year's draft yielded one stud starter (can't complain) and a bunch of trash and only one player from 2007's draft is on the team (meriweather) and 2006 had chad "bust" jackson and laurency "happy feet" maroney. Solid efforts but not enough on its own to be in the best list.


I would agree that the 2006 draft was bad, Jackson was a huge bust and Maroney has yet to be consistent or healthy. The 2007 draft was different, as we had 2 picks in the first 4 rounds, and on a veteran laden team with very few holes, very few if any late round picks were even going to make the team. It is too early to judge last years draft although the immediate returns look good.

The 2005 draft featured 3 starters drafted in the first 3 rounds, and a starter/rotational guy in the 4th round in James Sanders. It also featured Matt Cassel in the 7th round, which ended up to be a huge steal (at least for us as in we got a high 2nd round pick and one great year out of him). I would call that a very good draft.

I'm not trying to argue that the patriots are the best at drafting, just that I don't see how they seem to go for the homerun picks and mostly strike out. 2006 was a bad draft, although 4 of the members of that class are still on the team.

BlindSite
05-04-2009, 05:56 PM
The Giants should definitely be on the list, or at least very close to the list. They've built a good contender and superbowl champion through their drafts.

Chargers have been a dominant force in football for the last three or four years and largely that's been through who they have drafted, there's no way anyone on the list deserves to be on there more.

The Panthers do deserve a mention. All but Delhomme, and Keydrick Vincent on the offense were draftees. Not many teams have 4 starting offensive linemen whom they drafted and had the success the Panthers' group has had.

The team does need to show more consistency imo if they're to be considered so I can understand why they're left off, 03,05 and 08 in the playoffs isn't a really great showing from such a talented roster.

billsfootball15
05-04-2009, 06:43 PM
Best Drafting Teams Since 2005. Green is starter, red is out of team. Not counting most recent draft as we can't yet evaluate how they play.

In no particular order:

San Diego Chargers: 11 Starters
2005
1. DE/OLB Shawne Merriman
1. DT/DE Luis Castillo
2. WR Vincent Jackson
4. RB Darren Sproles
5. OT Wesley Britt
6. OT Wes Sims
7. C Scott Mruczkowski

2006
1. CB Antonio Cromartie
2. OT Marcus McNeil
3. QB Charlie Whitehurst
5. LB Tim Dobbins
6. OT Jeromey Clary
6. K Kurt Smith
7. DT Chase Page
7. OT Jimmy Martin

2007
1. WR Craig Davis
2. S Eric Weddle
3. LB Anthony Waters
4. TE Scott Chandler
*****4. S Paul Oliver***** - Supplemental Draft
5. WR Legedu Naanee
7. LB Brandon Siler
UDFA - LB Jyles Tucker

2008
1. CB Antoine Cason
3. FB Jacob Hester
5. RB Marcus Thomas
6. CB DeJuan Tribble
7. OT Corey Clark
UDFA - FB Mike Tolbert

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Indianapolis Colts: 10 Starters
2005
1. CB Marlin Jackson
2. CB Kelvin Hayden
3. DE Vincent Burns
4. OG Dylan Gandy
4. S Mike Giordano
5. DE Jonathan Welsh
5. C Robert Hunt
5. LB Tyjuan Hagler
6. K Dave Rayner
7. RB Anthony Davis

2006
1. RB Joseph Addai
2. CB Tim Jennings
3. LB Freddie Keiaho
5. OG Michael Toudouze
6. OT Charlie Johnson
6. S Antoine Bethea
7. CB T.J. Rushing

2007
1. WR Anthony Gonzalez
2. OT Tony Ugoh
3. CB Daymeion Hughes
3. DT Quinn Pitcock
4. S Brannon Condren
4. LB Clint Session
5. WR Roy Hall
5. CB Michael Coe
7. LB Keyunta Dawson
UDFA - DB Melvin Bullit

2008
2. G Mike Pollack
3. LB Phillip Wheeler
4. TE Jacob Tamme
5. DE Marcus Howard
6. TE Tom Santi
6. C Steve Justice
6. RB Mike Hart
6. WR Pierre Garcon
7. C Jamey Richard
UDFA - OT Eric Foster

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Pittsburgh Steelers: 10 Starters (one just left)
2005
1. TE Heath Miller
2. CB Bryant McFadden (but left team)
3. OL Trai Essex
4. WR Fred Gibson
5. LB Rian Wallace
6. OG Kris Kemoeatu
7. DT/DE Shaun Nua
7. RB Noah Herron
UDFA - WR Nate Washington

2006
1. WR Santonio Holmes
3. S Anthony Smith
3. WR Willie Reid
4. OG Willie Colon
4. DT Orien Harris
5. QB Omar Jacobs
5. TE Charles Davis
6. C Marvin Phillip
7. RB Cedric Humes

2007
1. LB Lawrence Timmons
2. DE/OLB LaMarr Woodley
3. TE Matt Spaeth
4. P Daniel Sepulveda
4. DT/DE Ryan McBean
5. OG Cameron Stephenson
5. CB William Gay
7. WR Dallas Baker
UDFA - C/OG Darnell Stapleton

2008
1. RB Rashard Mendenhall
2. WR Limas Sweed
3. DE/OLB Bruce Davis
4. OT Tony Hills
5. QB Dennis Dixon
6. LB Mike Humpal
6. LB Ryan Mundy

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

New York Giants: 10 Starters (one just left)
2005
2. CB Corey Webster
3. DE Justin Tuck
4. RB Brandon Jacobs
6. DE Eric Moore
UDFA - S James Butler (left this offseason)

2006
1. DE Mathias Kiwanuka
2. WR Sinorice Moss
3. LB Gerris Wilkinson
4. DT Barry Cofield
4. OT Guy Whimper
5. S Charlie Peprah
7. CB Gerrick McPhearson

2007
1. CB Aaron Ross
2. WR Steve Smith
3. DT Jay Alford
4. LB Zack DeOssie
5. TE Kevin Boss
6. OT Adam Koets
7. S Michael Johnson
7. RB Ahmad Bradshaw

2008
1. S Kenny Phillips
2. CB Terrell Thomas
3. WR Mario Manningham
4. LB Bryan Kehl
5. LB Jonathan Goff
6. QB Andre Woodson
6. DE Robert Henderson

------------------------------------------------------------------

Other great drafting teams since 2005: Dallas, Patriots, Panthers.

Both Dallas and Patriots had sensational 2005 drafts, while the Panthers have hit gold-mines in the first round with DeAngelo Williams, Jon Beason, Jonathan Stewart, and Jeff Otah.

Now, on the other hand,

THE WORST DRAFT SINCE 2005 GOES TO:

(drumroll)

wait for it.....

The Minnesota Vikings and their 2005 Draft!

0 starters

0 players left on the team

1. WR Troy Williamson
1. DE Erasmus James
2. OT Marcus Johnson
3. CB Dustin Fox
4. RB Ciatrick Fason
6. DT C.J. Mosley
7. CB Adrian Ward

BINGO! this kid hit the nail on the head and is 100% correct. By far and away the Colts, Chargers, and Giants have been the best 3 teams drafting these past 5 years.

btw sorry for quoting a long message

BaLLiN
05-04-2009, 06:53 PM
if you really look at it its hard to judge whos better considering how each team uses someone, even situational guys could be valued as another teams starter.

I really like how Polian drafts for his teams strategies, the chargers, steelers, and cowboys draft more for value and talent IMO.

The giants have good drafts but most of their players are depth guys, which could be attributed to how the team is solid, but also could be because the players are mediocre because we take less risks.

7-11
05-05-2009, 06:26 AM
Colts drafting has been overrated. They go for small, dome speed guys on defense. If they had bigger defense they woulda won more SuperBowls.

I was going to write a long winded argument effectively bringing myself down to your level. Don't think i'll bother

roscoesdad27
05-06-2009, 11:20 AM
2. Ravens - Ozzie Newsome is the best GM in the business IMO. He really is alot smarter than anybody else when it comes down to it. How is it that Ravens keep drafting Pro Bowler after Pro Bowler ? It's cuz they jump all over guys who slip and theyre only ones to realize their value.


I disagree, i honestly feel like ray lewis has ozzy overrated as a scout the same way he had marvin lewis overrated as a defensive guru...follow me before you disagree.

Our first round defensive players have all panned out marvelously from mccalister to boulware to reed to suggs and the main reason is the contagious intensity and leadership from ray lewis...offensive players on the other hand has been about 50/50 with boller and travis taylor being major busts...ray is the main reason we havent had a defensive bust, not ozzy.