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BeerBaron
05-05-2009, 10:28 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/05/05/howard-mudd-tells-colts-hes-retiring/

Former player and current offensive line coach of the Colts has decided to call it quits after the owners opted out of the pension plan for personnel. There's also a chance that offensive coordinator Tom Moore follows suit.

I'd have to believe that this, and even more so if Moore goes to, will be a blow to the Colts. Their line hasn't exactly been great lately and they've still got a lot of young guys they're trying to work in, and this will only hamper that further.

Probably not easy to replace a position coach at this time of the year either.....even less so a coordinator potentially.

It also raises the issue for other teams with aging coaches and assistants as to whether or not they should retire now and try and collect more benefits since the league run pension plan was opted out of by the owners in March.



.....I hope all of that made sense, I'm quite tired atm.... :/

diabsoule
05-05-2009, 10:30 PM
Wow. This is NOT good news for the Colts. Mudd has been able to seemingly have a seemless transition of players on that offensive line. And if Tom Moore goes then that will further hamper the Colts.

Definitely the beginning of the end of the Colts run.

BeerBaron
05-05-2009, 10:32 PM
Wow. This is NOT good news for the Colts. Mudd has been able to seemingly have a seemless transition of players on that offensive line. And if Tom Moore goes then that will further hamper the Colts.

Definitely the beginning of the end of the Colts run.

I didn't want to come out and say that because I knew there'd be some Colts' fans zealously defending the team but I totally agree with that statement.

Sort of like when the Dolphins had Marino.....the Colts are always going to be dangerous with Peyton no matter what they have surrounding him. But he has been blessed for most of his career with great weapons and an o-line coach who can turn any schmuck into a decent starter. It'll be interesting to see how he does as these pieces start to fall away....

Geo
05-05-2009, 10:38 PM
He is a great offensive line coach. May he enjoy his retirement, if it does begin now.

It's not the end of the world for the Colts, although you can be damn sure the media and people will make it out to be. Which makes me laugh.

Especially as I'm looking forward to Tom Moore retiring. Not now however, it's too late into the new season. Mudd is different, Metzelaars had been with the Colts for 5 years before becoming the official Assistant OL coach last year (Mudd was incapacitated thanks to a knee injury).

The only question is if Caldwell will hire the right successor, but he's done a great job thus far in doing what Tony Dungy could not.

BeerBaron
05-05-2009, 10:41 PM
Definitely the beginning of the end of the Colts run.

I didn't want to come out and say that because I knew there'd be some Colts' fans zealously defending the team but I totally agree with that statement.



It's not the end of the world for the Colts, although you can be damn sure the media and people will make it out to be. Which makes me laugh.


Called it! ;)

Perhaps not the end of the world, but I doubt anyone would have argued that the team is better off without Mudd, am I wrong?

diabsoule
05-05-2009, 10:43 PM
Called it! ;)


That didn't take long.

Geo
05-05-2009, 10:44 PM
You called ****. I didn't zealously defend anything because I'm used to outsiders not having a damn clue about the Colts.

The most important person to the Colts' offensive line is Peyton Manning.

PACKmanN
05-05-2009, 10:45 PM
bring Mudd to Green Bay!!!! we need him to coach that line.

falloutboy14
05-05-2009, 10:46 PM
It's worth noting that this is more of a financial/pension issue then a "I'm tired of coaching" move.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4143964

That said I imagine that Polian is on the case, and can resolve the pension confusion, or offer him a new contract to make it harder to leave.

BeerBaron
05-05-2009, 10:47 PM
It's worth noting that this is more of a financial/pension issue then a "I'm tired of coaching" move.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4143964

That said I imagine that Polian is on the case, and can resolve the pension confusion, or offer him a new contract to make it harder to leave.

Well, from the first article, it says that both Moore and Mudd wanted to leave with Dungy but Polian talked them out of it.

I imagine if Mudd is leaving now, it's because the Colts failed to live up to something they promised him by asking him to stay back then.

Geo
05-05-2009, 10:55 PM
I imagine if Mudd is leaving now, it's because the Colts failed to live up to something they promised him by asking him to stay back then.
What you imagine, perfectly stated.

This is the result, from the most recent owners' meetings, of the revised pension plan for non-players.

Just like it says in the ESPN article, if you had actually read it.

BeerBaron
05-05-2009, 10:58 PM
What you imagine, perfectly stated.

This is the result, from the most recent owners' meetings, of the revised pension plan for non-players.

Just like it says in the ESPN article, if you had actually read it.

It says that in the first article too....and I talked about it in my first post. I know thats the reasoning, I was just adding on to what the other guy said that I most recently quoted.

GB12
05-05-2009, 11:09 PM
You called ****. I didn't zealously defend anything because I'm used to outsiders not having a damn clue about the Colts.

The most important person to the Colts' offensive line is Peyton Manning.
From reading your posts in this thread I find that you are exactly what he stated.

Geo
05-05-2009, 11:13 PM
I can't see how on Earth that's evident, from my posts.

Unless you somehow confuse zealous defending with me being pissed off that my simply stated response was followed by a "Called it!" false accusation of zealous defending.

Considering it's you, that just might be possible.

BeerBaron
05-06-2009, 12:21 AM
I think you might be confusing zealous with like.....idiotic or something bad. It's really not. It's just that typically whenever something gets posted about a team that could be bad news, the fans come out rather quick and dismiss why it's not bad.

Good example for you to try out: Go post something in the NFC North section about how Jay Cutler is better than Aaron Rodgers and see how long it takes you until your swarmed by the seemingly limitless number of Packers fans about how wrong you are and the umpteen (still can't believe that's recognized as an actual word) million reasons why.

Like, if for some reason Urlacher suddenly retired and someone posted a thread about it an in that thread, were saying things like "oh man, the Bears defense is gonna suck now" or something, I'd be right there with my umpteen (love it) million reasons why that's incorrect. "Lance Briggs has been better than him lately anyway.....Jamar Williams is a really good young backup who the staff loves and he would fill in....Nick Roach got some starting experience last year at SAM and looked good.....we just drafted Marcus Freeman.....etc etc etc" you get the point. Zealously defended.

And you post after I "called it" was pretty much the type of zealousness I expected. You covered the basic points of a "zealous" fan response. You got the "this isn't as bad as it seems" in there, got your reasons why, got your "how we'll replace him" part........seems like a textbook case of zealousness.

And zealous, like I pointed out, isn't bad. I was just expecting it and....there it came.

TitleTown088
05-06-2009, 12:30 AM
Good example for you to try out: Go post something in the NFC North section about how Jay Cutler is better than Aaron Rodgers and see how long it takes you until your swarmed by the seemingly limitless number of Packers fans about how wrong you are and the umpteen (still can't believe that's recognized as an actual word) million reasons why.

.

That's common knowledge.

TitanHope
05-06-2009, 12:34 PM
Losing Mudd would be more of a loss than Moore, in my opinion. Peyton will still have that offense performing.

Mudd was one of the best OL coaches in the NFL, so his loss is significant. I got the impression that offensive linemen were expendable because of Mudd and his ability to plug in young OL and make them successful. It will be interesting to see if their OL in the future.

I still ain't doubtin' Peyton though... :cool:

killxswitch
05-06-2009, 01:15 PM
I didn't want to come out and say that because I knew there'd be some Colts' fans zealously defending the team but I totally agree with that statement.



It's childish and weak for you to try to set up anyone who disagrees with you as a zealot.

Mudd is a good OL coach but he is not some sort of secret key to the Colts' success. Our OL hasn't been dominant since '06 but the Colts have won at least 12 games the last two years. And short yardage situations have been a problem for our offense for years.

I'm not saying we are somehow better off, but statements like "this is the beginning of the Colts' demise" sound more like wishful thinking to me.

If anything, people should look for a down year from the Colts because Dungy is gone, we have a new D coordinator, new STs coordinator, Marvin Harrison is gone and will likely retire, etc etc. Add Howard Mudd to the list if you want, but his retirement alone is hardly going to be the undoing of the Colts' success.

Bengalsrocket
05-06-2009, 01:20 PM
I think you might be confusing zealous with like.....idiotic or something bad. It's really not. It's just that typically whenever something gets posted about a team that could be bad news, the fans come out rather quick and dismiss why it's not bad.

Good example for you to try out: Go post something in the NFC North section about how Jay Cutler is better than Aaron Rodgers and see how long it takes you until your swarmed by the seemingly limitless number of Packers fans about how wrong you are and the umpteen (still can't believe that's recognized as an actual word) million reasons why.

Like, if for some reason Urlacher suddenly retired and someone posted a thread about it an in that thread, were saying things like "oh man, the Bears defense is gonna suck now" or something, I'd be right there with my umpteen (love it) million reasons why that's incorrect. "Lance Briggs has been better than him lately anyway.....Jamar Williams is a really good young backup who the staff loves and he would fill in....Nick Roach got some starting experience last year at SAM and looked good.....we just drafted Marcus Freeman.....etc etc etc" you get the point. Zealously defended.

And you post after I "called it" was pretty much the type of zealousness I expected. You covered the basic points of a "zealous" fan response. You got the "this isn't as bad as it seems" in there, got your reasons why, got your "how we'll replace him" part........seems like a textbook case of zealousness.

And zealous, like I pointed out, isn't bad. I was just expecting it and....there it came.

It's hard to dictate what is zealous and what is not zealous through text. It's not like he slammed his caps lock button and started typing so furiously that every other word was a typo. "WEXZ WUNT MISZZ DAT OLYNE COAUCH CUZ PAY-TON MAYNOISE IS THE BESSTEST QBBZ EVAH!"

He simply stated his opinions. Neither you or I know how much intensity or eagerness he had when typing said opinions.

BeerBaron
05-06-2009, 02:01 PM
It's childish and weak for you to try to set up anyone who disagrees with you as a zealot.

Like I said in a later post though, zeal isn't a bad thing. And yes, to the guy above me, it's hard to determine something like that from text.....

tylerb929
05-06-2009, 02:12 PM
He'll be missed, but the Colts aren't going to fall flat on their faces because of this.

Every year someone says its the beginning of the end for the colts, and every year they go out and get 12 wins. Sooner or later your bound to be right, but I've been hearing it for the last 3 years how they're going to do poor the next year. I'm sure when they finally fall, everyone will be there saying "I told you so".

Its hard to imagine the O-line being any worse than last season. Three rookies saw significant time in the middle.

PACKmanN
05-06-2009, 03:07 PM
I think you might be confusing zealous with like.....idiotic or something bad. It's really not. It's just that typically whenever something gets posted about a team that could be bad news, the fans come out rather quick and dismiss why it's not bad.

Good example for you to try out: Go post something in the NFC North section about how Jay Cutler is better than Aaron Rodgers and see how long it takes you until your swarmed by the seemingly limitless number of Packers fans about how wrong you are and the umpteen (still can't believe that's recognized as an actual word) million reasons why.

Like, if for some reason Urlacher suddenly retired and someone posted a thread about it an in that thread, were saying things like "oh man, the Bears defense is gonna suck now" or something, I'd be right there with my umpteen (love it) million reasons why that's incorrect. "Lance Briggs has been better than him lately anyway.....Jamar Williams is a really good young backup who the staff loves and he would fill in....Nick Roach got some starting experience last year at SAM and looked good.....we just drafted Marcus Freeman.....etc etc etc" you get the point. Zealously defended.

And you post after I "called it" was pretty much the type of zealousness I expected. You covered the basic points of a "zealous" fan response. You got the "this isn't as bad as it seems" in there, got your reasons why, got your "how we'll replace him" part........seems like a textbook case of zealousness.

And zealous, like I pointed out, isn't bad. I was just expecting it and....there it came.

Aaron Rodgers>Jay Cutler. :)

UKfan
05-06-2009, 03:28 PM
Howard Mudd was obviously a very good line coach in turning low rounders into serviceable lineman, but last year our line was quite poor, in spite of having two 2nd rounders in Pollak and Ugoh (really a first rounder when you think we traded a first to get him) as well as Jeff Saturday. We'll miss him, but I hope that we can get a new coach in who can give us some pop in the run game. Enjoy retirement Howard.

killxswitch
05-06-2009, 07:01 PM
Like I said in a later post though, zeal isn't a bad thing. And yes, to the guy above me, it's hard to determine something like that from text.....

When I think of a zealot I think of a freak with a bomb strapped to his chest screaming at the world. I don't think most people think zealotry is a good thing. And the way you phrased it made it seem like you didn't want to have to deal with the "passionate" Colts fans who would disagree with you.

JT Jag
05-06-2009, 08:52 PM
Honestly, unless they come up with a great replacement, losing Mudd might be worse then losing Dungy. He's been the best offensive line coach in the NFL for 10 years.

Geo
05-06-2009, 09:06 PM
I agree, if I could keep one, I would definitely keep Mudd over Dungy or Moore.

LonghornsLegend
05-14-2009, 05:33 PM
Well it's official, Mudd and Moore retire.


Amazing to think that Peyton had the same OC since he was a rookie, how many QB's get that same benefit? That continuity is huge for not only a QB, but for the entire organization...I'm sure someone from within is ready to take over without much of a drop off.

Sniper
05-14-2009, 05:34 PM
Well it's official, Mudd and Moore retire.


Amazing to think that Peyton had the same OC since he was a rookie, how many QB's get that same benefit? That continuity is huge for not only a QB, but for the entire organization...I'm sure someone from within is ready to take over without much of a drop off.

Indianapolis had an offensive coordinator? What a waste of money.

eaglesalltheway
05-14-2009, 05:35 PM
These losses are going to have some affect on the Colts Offense. Moore, Mudd, and Harrison. I know Harrison lost a bit, and Anthony Gonzales looks promising, but I think there will be a dropoff on that offense as a whole. Two of the most important coaches for the offense, a HOF WR, that'll be tough. It remains to be seen how much of a dropoff, but I personally don't think it'll be huge. It will be there though.

Menardo75
05-14-2009, 05:59 PM
Mudd has been arguably the best o-line coach in football this one will hurt.

Da-Phins
05-14-2009, 06:12 PM
Mudd will be a huge loss for them. Moore on the other hand...not so much since Peyton is basically their OC.

Xonraider
05-14-2009, 06:25 PM
Joe Montana will replace Moore???

TitleTown088
05-15-2009, 01:34 PM
The Colts have formally promoted Clyde Christensen to offensive coordinator and Pete Metzelaars to offensive line coach.