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Chief Papabear
05-06-2009, 03:12 PM
who would you consider to be the top 5 CBs drafted in the last five years, and in what order?

and what if we open it up to include safeties, how would you rank the young defensive backs?

DiG
05-06-2009, 03:16 PM
dirty thirty >




















the rest.

TACKLE
05-06-2009, 03:28 PM
This guy better be on the list.

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/5644-1/BrandonFlowers.jpg

Chief Papabear
05-06-2009, 03:29 PM
for cb's im thinkin maybe
1. asomugha
2. revis
3. cromartie
4. leon hall
5. rodgers-cromartie

would anyone put aaron ross or finnegan? am i forgetting anyone?

BmoreBlackByrdz
05-06-2009, 03:37 PM
for cb's im thinkin maybe
1. asomugha
2. revis
3. cromartie
4. leon hall
5. rodgers-cromartie

would anyone put aaron ross or finnegan? am i forgetting anyone?

Antonio cromartie and Leon Hall aren't top 5 corners.

tjsunstein
05-06-2009, 03:40 PM
1. Ahmad Carroll
2. Jimmy Williams
3. Jarrett Bush

tjsunstein
05-06-2009, 03:42 PM
for cb's im thinkin maybe
1. asomugha
2. revis
3. cromartie
4. leon hall
5. rodgers-cromartie

would anyone put aaron ross or finnegan? am i forgetting anyone?

I'm not sure if you're serious or not? Charles Woodson says WTF. I say lol.

Mr.Regular
05-06-2009, 03:48 PM
I'm not sure if you're serious or not? Charles Woodson says WTF. I say lol.
the CB's have to be drafted in the last 5 years....

Paranoidmoonduck
05-06-2009, 03:50 PM
1. Ahmad Carroll
2. Jimmy Williams
3. Jarrett Bush

This list is lacking Phillip Buchanon.

Chief Papabear
05-06-2009, 03:50 PM
to tell you the truth i havent seen these young guys play all THAT much, mainly watch my team, so I'm trying to figure this out

I'm not claiming these guys are 'top 5 corners' I'm looking at only relatively new players. I believe Leon Hall led the NFL in pd's last year so he should probably be in contention. cromartie had a down year, but there's no denying the play-making ability. please educate me

McKelvin on your list?

whatadai
05-06-2009, 03:54 PM
Asomugha wasn't drafted in the past 5 years even if you didn't count 2009.

Chief Papabear
05-06-2009, 03:59 PM
i knew he was young, but i guess you're right.

someone else show me what a list should look like

Bengalsrocket
05-06-2009, 04:01 PM
for cb's im thinkin maybe
1. asomugha
2. revis
3. cromartie
4. leon hall
5. rodgers-cromartie

would anyone put aaron ross or finnegan? am i forgetting anyone?

Asomugha was 2003. Are we counting this immediate draft? Because if so, it's only 04-09.

If we're going 03-08, Asante Samuels, Terrance Newman, Marcus Trufant & Rashean Mathis are probably above everyone but Aso on your list.

nvm, my math is terribad. 03-08 is six years.

So are we counting 04,05,06,07,08 or 05,06,07,08,09?

HawkeyeFan
05-06-2009, 04:02 PM
1. Deion Sanders
2. Deion Sanders
3. Deion Sanders
4. Deion Sanders
5. Deion Sanders

Chief Papabear
05-06-2009, 04:04 PM
ya those guys are all older than what i was looking for

HawkeyeFan
05-06-2009, 04:05 PM
Nope, I created them in Madden this year. All rookies and 99 OVR.

Chief Papabear
05-06-2009, 04:09 PM
Asomugha was 2003. Are we counting this immediate draft? Because if so, it's only 04-09.

If we're going 03-08, Asante Samuels, Terrance Newman, Marcus Trufant & Rashean Mathis are probably above everyone but Aso on your list.

nvm, my math is terribad. 03-08 is six years.

So are we counting 04,05,06,07,08 or 05,06,07,08,09?

the numbers aren't that important, but lets go 05+ who would you rather have on your team

CC.SD
05-06-2009, 04:30 PM
You can't count 09, they haven't seen the field yet.

Cromartie might belong due to a spectacular 07, if you consider his injury-plagued/Merriman-less 08 a negative that's okay too. Personally I'm pretty through with him but I could see him going either way.

Brandon Flowers should be a lock though, he shouldn't have dropped as far as he did.

Chief Papabear
05-06-2009, 04:41 PM
couldn't agree more. i have a very high opinion of him but i wasn't sure just how he stacked up

tjsunstein
05-06-2009, 05:06 PM
the CB's have to be drafted in the last 5 years....

You bite your tongue. Charles Woodson can be drafted whenever he wants.

stephenson86
05-06-2009, 05:09 PM
finnegan....

msolimani
05-06-2009, 05:15 PM
Hate to sound like a homer but Revis absolutely has to be up there. Finnegans a great choice too.

Gay Ork Wang
05-06-2009, 05:15 PM
if its just the last few 1 is finnegan and 2. is revis, the rest is pretty up for grabs

fenikz
05-06-2009, 05:33 PM
1. Aso
2. Revis
3. Woodson
4. DRC
4b. Finnegan


i dont care about the last 5 years, those are for today

YAYareaRB
05-06-2009, 05:34 PM
Nate Clements.

FEB!

Splat
05-06-2009, 05:46 PM
Hate to sound like a homer but Revis absolutely has to be up there. Finnegans a great choice too.

I will sound like a homer and not care one bit Brandon Flowers owns all...

tjsunstein
05-06-2009, 06:19 PM
Vontae Davis. I'm calling it.

kiranadwaney
05-06-2009, 06:22 PM
since 2005

CB's
1. Darelle Revis ('07)
2. Cortland Finnegan ('06)
3. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie ('08)
4. Brandon Flowers ('08)
5. Chris Houston ('07)

S's
1. LaRon Landry ('07)
2. Kerry Rhodes ('05)
3. Michael Griffin ('07)
4. O.J Atogwe ('05)
5. Eric Weddle ('07)

DB's
1. LaRon Landry
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Cortland Finnegan
4. Kerry Rhodes
5. Michael Griffin

YAYareaRB
05-06-2009, 06:27 PM
no Bob Sanders ay?

thebow305
05-06-2009, 06:52 PM
1. Nmandi Asomugha
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Cortland Finnegan
4. Antonio Cromartie
5. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

thebow305
05-06-2009, 06:53 PM
Vontae Davis. I'm calling it.

Wow, I hope you're right! :)

msolimani
05-06-2009, 07:03 PM
since 2005

DB's
1. LaRon Landry
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Cortland Finnegan
4. Kerry Rhodes
5. Michael Griffin

two jets....niceeee

Splat
05-06-2009, 07:05 PM
who would you consider to be the top 5 CBs drafted in the last five years, and in what order?


I think most people have just ignored this part of the post. :)

holt_bruce81
05-06-2009, 07:06 PM
1. Nmandi Asomugha
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Cortland Finnegan
4. Antonio Cromartie
5. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

I agree with this list.

kiranadwaney
05-06-2009, 07:35 PM
no Bob Sanders ay?

bob sanders was drafted in 04 and i thought that someone said from '05 onwards

JETS5128
05-06-2009, 07:48 PM
since 2005

CB's
1. Darelle Revis ('07)
2. Cortland Finnegan ('06)
3. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie ('08)
4. Brandon Flowers ('08)
5. Chris Houston ('07)

S's
1. LaRon Landry ('07)
2. Kerry Rhodes ('05)
3. Michael Griffin ('07)
4. O.J Atogwe ('05)
5. Eric Weddle ('07)

DB's
1. LaRon Landry
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Cortland Finnegan
4. Kerry Rhodes
5. Michael Griffin

Switch flowers and DRC and i have basically the same list

Mr. Hero
05-06-2009, 07:51 PM
This thread is seriously lacking in Corey Webster. I mean Aaron Ross got mentioned and Ross can't hold Webster's joke.

jsagan77
05-06-2009, 08:08 PM
Carlos Rodgers >>>Revis...

Where did all the Revis love come from?

kiranadwaney
05-06-2009, 08:08 PM
Switch flowers and DRC and i have basically the same list

DRC's performance in the playoffs edged it for me, and i think he also has the potential to be better.

thebow305
05-06-2009, 08:29 PM
Carlos Rodgers >>>Revis...

Where did all the Revis love come from?

Revis is on the verge of being a shutdown corner and was for the majority of last season.

Teams basically avoided his half of the field in most games. It will get even worse this year.

I'd probably rank him right behind Aso as the #2 corner in the league.

tjsunstein
05-06-2009, 08:32 PM
Carlos Rodgers >>>Revis...

Where did all the Revis love come from?

From watching him play.
By the way, its Rogers.

21ST
05-06-2009, 08:45 PM
since 2005

CB's
1. Darelle Revis ('07)
2. Cortland Finnegan ('06)
3. Dominique Rodgers Cromartie ('08)
4. Brandon Flowers ('08)
5. Chris Houston ('07)

S's
1. LaRon Landry ('07)
2. Kerry Rhodes ('05)
3. Michael Griffin ('07)
4. O.J Atogwe ('05)
5. Eric Weddle ('07)

DB's
1. LaRon Landry
2. Darrelle Revis
3. Cortland Finnegan
4. Kerry Rhodes
5. Michael Griffin

Carlos Rogers>Laron Landry get it?

JT Jag
05-06-2009, 08:50 PM
Rashean Mathis > All except Asomugha

MetSox17
05-06-2009, 09:11 PM
Jesus, how many of you all can't read the original post?

Revis is hands down number one.

21ST
05-06-2009, 09:12 PM
Jesus, how many of you all can't read the original post?

Revis is hands down number one.

Rogers>Revis

Mr. Hero
05-06-2009, 09:14 PM
Rogers>Revis

And Webster > Rogers

MetSox17
05-06-2009, 09:26 PM
Rogers>Revis

Okay Washington Redskins fan.

21ST
05-06-2009, 09:33 PM
And Webster > Rogers

Maybe in jump rope or checkers but not playing CB

CC.SD
05-06-2009, 09:41 PM
Carlos Rogers>Laron Landry get it?

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/2/9/d/29d9ca848e0a0f6acbe7b8d83c76d856.jpg
Noooooooooooo

That's not true. That's impossible.

No seriously Laron was my favorite safety prospect ever, except of course ST.

JETS5128
05-06-2009, 09:48 PM
Rogers>Revis

I'm curious as to why you think this

MetSox17
05-06-2009, 09:58 PM
I'm curious as to why you think this

Because he's a Redskins fan.

BamaFalcon59
05-06-2009, 10:02 PM
This guy better be on the list.

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/5644-1/BrandonFlowers.jpg

Future best in the world.

BigBanger
05-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Not counting this years draft ('09), I'd rank them like this:

1. Darrelle Revis ('07)
2. Corey Webster ('05)
3. Cortland Finnegan ('06)
4. Carlos Rogers ('05)
5. Ronald Bartell ('05)
6. Antonio Cromartie ('06)
7. Brandon Flowers ('08)
8. Bryant McFadden ('05)
9. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie ('08)
10. Jonathan Joseph ('06)


After Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, there are a lot of guys like Kalvin Hayden, Leon Hall, Aqib Talib, Aaron Ross, Chris Houston, Richard Marshall, Fabian Washington and Eric Green who are all pretty close and interchangeable order wise.


Looking at everyone's lists, no one in this thread really has any idea what a good CB looks like and how they stack up. The disregard for Ronald Bartell and Corey Webster in most eyes is astounding. Then again, most people have no idea what the original question was.

Mr. Hero
05-06-2009, 10:29 PM
Maybe in jump rope or checkers but not playing CB

if by playing CB you mean bouncing balls off his hands of steel then yes.

PalmerToCJ
05-07-2009, 01:06 AM
For the sake of me giving input on the Bengals and not sounding like a giant homer...

Johnathan Joseph is a better CB than Leon Hall. I really like Hall, he has a knack for getting to the ball but Joseph has elite potential as a cover corner.

I don't think Joseph is getting enough credit in this thread but that's probably the homer in me screaming. The one knock is he can't seal the deal with an INT but the guy gets his hands on the ball and is in the right place. He doesn't get beat deep either.

jkpigskin
05-07-2009, 03:48 AM
it is no doubt darelle revis for corners drafted in the last 5 years... he is def a top 5 corner out of all corners

Jakey
05-07-2009, 05:37 AM
cba with the lat 5 years ting...

top 5 cb's imo...

1: Aso
2: Clements
3: Flowers
4: Woodson
5: Finnegan

With Clements, Flowers and Woodson that high, im guessing its pretty obvious i like tough, nasty corners.

Gay Ork Wang
05-07-2009, 06:24 AM
really? Flowers over Revis? that is horrible

21ST
05-07-2009, 07:47 AM
Not counting this years draft ('09), I'd rank them like this:

1. Darrelle Revis ('07)
2. Corey Webster ('05)
3. Cortland Finnegan ('06)
4. Carlos Rogers ('05)
5. Ronald Bartell ('05)
6. Antonio Cromartie ('06)
7. Brandon Flowers ('08)
8. Bryant McFadden ('05)
9. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie ('08)
10. Jonathan Joseph ('06)


After Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, there are a lot of guys like Kalvin Hayden, Leon Hall, Aqib Talib, Aaron Ross, Chris Houston, Richard Marshall, Fabian Washington and Eric Green who are all pretty close and interchangeable order wise.


Looking at everyone's lists, no one in this thread really has any idea what a good CB looks like and how they stack up. The disregard for Ronald Bartell and Corey Webster in most eyes is astounding. Then again, most people have no idea what the original question was.

Do giants fans think Webster is better than Rogers

Giantsfan1080
05-07-2009, 08:20 AM
Do giants fans think Webster is better than Rogers

Yes we do, because he is. Hardly anyone threw at Webster last year and when they did it was either an INT or a PD. Webster has been money since the '07 Playoffs.

TimD
05-07-2009, 08:21 AM
Revis and N.A. have to be the consensus 1 & 2, and there can be a case made for both to be considered the best CB. No one can shut down receivers like these 2 can.

Jakey
05-07-2009, 08:25 AM
Ike Taylor can actually shut down recievers like a beast. He is constantly among the leages best at shutting down recievers...he gets no recognition because he drops so many interceptions. Concidering Aso gets allot of attention round here (and rightly so) despit having a lack of interceptions...so should Ike Taylor.

Jakey
05-07-2009, 08:26 AM
really? Flowers over Revis? that is horrible

Oooops, yeah Revis was supposed to be 2nd.

Gay Ork Wang
05-07-2009, 08:38 AM
Revis and N.A. have to be the consensus 1 & 2, and there can be a case made for both to be considered the best CB. No one can shut down receivers like these 2 can.
N.Asomugha is the Top 1 and that shouldnt even be question

Splat
05-07-2009, 09:09 AM
Ike Taylor can actually shut down recievers like a beast. He is constantly among the leages best at shutting down recievers...he gets no recognition because he drops so many interceptions. Concidering Aso gets allot of attention round here (and rightly so) despit having a lack of interceptions...so should Ike Taylor.

Aso's lack of int's is from no body throwing his way not for dropping balls.

MetSox17
05-07-2009, 10:58 AM
Ike Taylor can actually shut down recievers like a beast. He is constantly among the leages best at shutting down recievers...he gets no recognition because he drops so many interceptions. Concidering Aso gets allot of attention round here (and rightly so) despit having a lack of interceptions...so should Ike Taylor.

I think you've established already earlier, here:top 5 cb's imo...

1: Aso
2: Clements
3: Flowers
4: Woodson
5: Finnegan

That rating value of corners isn't your best ability. Ike Taylor is no where near Asomugha's league, and he shouldn't even be in the same breath. Asomugha is hands down the best in the league, with Revis slowly creeping up. The only reason Revis doesn't get in the discussion yet is because Aso has done it longer. Taylor drops interceptions therefore he doesn't have INT numbers.. Aso doesn't have INT numbers because teams don't throw to him.

tjsunstein
05-07-2009, 11:31 AM
A lot of people have short term memory it seems.

1. Asomugha
2. Revis
3. Finnegan
4a. Rogers
4b. Webster

MetSox17
05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
A lot of people have short term memory it seems.

1. Asomugha
2. Revis
3. Finnegan
4a. Rogers
4b. Webster

Is that list top five overall or in the last five years?

Rjspartan
05-07-2009, 05:37 PM
gamble...........?

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 05:47 PM
Do giants fans think Webster is better than Rogers

Webster is better than Rogers so I'd imagine most giants fans think he's better.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
05-07-2009, 06:00 PM
I'd prefer a no restriction CB ranking, as i always find them interesting. I remember the good old Newman vs Hall debates. Those were great times.

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 06:05 PM
I still sometimes get annoyed thinking about TNew cause it reminds of that one cowboys fan who thought Newman was the best player in the NFL and unbeatable. Don't get me wrong Tnew was a really awesome cover corner but dude got pissed when you didn't consider him the best in the league.

BigBanger
05-07-2009, 10:06 PM
Do giants fans think Webster is better than Rogers
You could not find a bigger Carlos Rogers fan coming out of college than me. I thought he was easily the top rated CB in that class, and I had him 5th overall. I also was a huge Corey Webster fan and had him rated in the top 15 and the #2 CB (I thought Pac-Man was too small, I was wrong about him, but he's a **** up, so my third round grade didn't turn out too bad and I don't like Miami CBs, so Rolle was a second rounder for me). I was very high on both, and higher than most on both. I'm an SEC guy and tend to lean towards them most of the time and Webster and Rogers were two of my favorite CBs I've seen (Darrelle Revis and Terrence Newman head and shoulders my favorite CB prospects, and I had both 4th overall). Both are two of the best man-to-man cover corners in the game. They both support the run very well. Webster is coming off the better season and had a HUGE post season in '06, and was a vital part in the Giants SB run. I don't think he gave up a single TD last year (If he did, it was one.). Rogers got beat for about 3 or 4 TDs that I can remember last year. Other than that they were pretty equal. Even though they're close and I'd put both in the second tier of top CBs in the NFL, I think Webster is the better CB right now, and I don't think it's really debatable.

Webster is vastly overlooked. Last season alone I'd rank the top 10 CBs like this:

FIRST TIER

1. Nmandi Asomugha, Oakland
2. Charles Woodson, Green Bay
3. Darrelle Revis, New York Jets

SECOND TIER

4. Corey Webster, New York Giants
5. Cortland Finnegan, Tennessee
6. Antoine Winfield, Minnesota
7. Carlos Rogers, Washington
8. Asante Samuel, Philadelphia

THIRD TIER

9. Quentin Jammer, San Diego
10. Ronald Bartell, Saint Louis

I'm tempted to stick Brandon Flowers in that group and he'd be in that third tier. I had him 9th overall in his draft class and I can get a little biased when I see a guy (like Webster) that I was very high on do better than most thought. Terrence Newman, Andre Goodman and Champ Bailey also had very good seasons even though the stars I just mentioned had bad seasons by their standards and both faced injuries.

HawkeyeFan
05-07-2009, 10:16 PM
Why no love for Bartell!?!?! :(

http://markjrebilas.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/ea12y_0213.jpg


'nuff said. And that's EVERY game he goes against Fitzgerald.

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/ronbartell300mar3.jpg

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 10:19 PM
Bartell is a stud, definite top 5 since 2005 for me and probably in the top ten league wide. I think with spags he'll have another great year and that'll help him gain more league wide support.

Gay Ork Wang
05-08-2009, 06:27 AM
Switch Asante Samuel with Sheldon Brown.

Sheldon Brown hardly gets any recognition

jsagan77
05-08-2009, 06:44 AM
I'm curious as to why you think this

I watched both play this year almost every single week (TiVO and sunday ticket) and IMO Rogers is the better cover corner, harder hitter and better tackler of the 2. THe only nock on him is his hands. Rogers has terrible hands and that's what most people base their opinions on when deciding these things...

I think all this love for Revis started when everyone heard Rex Ryan say that "He was happy to have the best CB in the NFL on his team" which is complete BS because while he's top 10, maybe even top 5, he's not the best CB in the league. But because there's so many bandwagon posters on this board it will be the consensus.

Gay Ork Wang
05-08-2009, 06:57 AM
i hate the bandwagon argument. if someone jumps on a bandwagon he has reasons. prove those reasons wrong.

PACKmanN
05-08-2009, 08:27 AM
i hate the bandwagon argument. if someone jumps on a bandwagon he has reasons. prove those reasons wrong.

1. having a good S above him limits teams from throwing deep
2. He was in the Patriots type system, all their CBs look good
3. There is no way he is the best CB, give me Aso or Woodson over him

thoses are just 3 reasons as to why Revis isn't the best CB.

Gay Ork Wang
05-08-2009, 08:27 AM
oh im not getting in this discussion, i just hate the argument.

although the Safeties were subpar, but i dont think anyone would take him over Aso

The Great Jonathan Vilma
05-08-2009, 09:03 AM
I watched both play this year almost every single week (TiVO and sunday ticket) and IMO Rogers is the better cover corner, harder hitter and better tackler of the 2. THe only nock on him is his hands. Rogers has terrible hands and that's what most people base their opinions on when deciding these things...

I think all this love for Revis started when everyone heard Rex Ryan say that "He was happy to have the best CB in the NFL on his team" which is complete BS because while he's top 10, maybe even top 5, he's not the best CB in the league. But because there's so many bandwagon posters on this board it will be the consensus.

haha, yeah, that must be what happens. You obviously have followed these discussions for a while now......

Fact is, i'm not so sure anyone takes what a new coach says seriously, because like any coach they will pump up their own team and players. No one argues that Aso isn't the top corner. You make it sound like that is what people are saying, when they aren't. Get off your bandwagon talk because there isn't a bandwagon saying he is #1. Similarly, just because people disagree that Rogers isn't > than Revis, doesn't mean that you are some great lone wolf and are right just because you throw out some 'bandwagon' statement. My guess is that you aren't the only person on here who watches lots of football.

Any time a corner has bad hands, the person standing up for them claims that INTs are the primary basis for ranking a CB and that holds them back because they don't get any. Fact is, many guys don't get lots of INTs but are considered the tops. However, a guy of equal ability who DOES make the INT is going to be considered the better corner. Looking just at the numbers isn't enough because each corner is thrown at a different number of times, on different routes, with different help, in a different scheme percentage.

You are entitled to your opinion, and i agree that Rogers is underrated and I believe is a top 10 kind of guy. However, i think that Revis is above him, and his INTs have come at BIG moments in games and have determined the outcome at the end of a few games. INTs counted in those moments.

I don't like when any Jets player starts getting lots of love, and i don't stand up for them just because they are a Jets player. Your opinion is your opinion, that is fine, but i don't agree with your 2nd paragraph reasoning, that's all.

Mr. Hero
05-08-2009, 09:09 AM
Switch Asante Samuel with Sheldon Brown.

Sheldon Brown hardly gets any recognition

Sheldon Brown is still praying Plax doesn't sign with the skins or cowboys.

Gay Ork Wang
05-08-2009, 09:49 AM
Sheldon Brown is still praying Plax doesn't sign with the skins or cowboys.
Fact: Plaxico shot himself in the leg because he was too afraid of Sheldon

He just doesnt want Plaxico to shot himself again

Mr. Hero
05-08-2009, 10:48 AM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2007/10/01/gal_giants_1.jpg

BigBanger
05-08-2009, 12:23 PM
I think all this love for Revis started when everyone heard Rex Ryan say that "He was happy to have the best CB in the NFL on his team" which is complete BS because while he's top 10, maybe even top 5, he's not the best CB in the league. But because there's so many bandwagon posters on this board it will be the consensus.
He's not "maybe in top 5." He is in the top 5. He had, arguably, the best season of anyone at CB. You see what he did to Randy Moss? One-on-one coverage all day, pretty much every single play, and Moss had 5 catches for 48 yards and 1 TD in 2 games. The 1 TD came against Dwight Lowery in of the few cases they didn't go up against each other. Moss is Revis' *****.

gsorace
05-13-2009, 01:23 PM
2. He was in the Patriots type system, all their CBs look good

No they don't, the Jets CBs outside of Revis were so bad they brought Ty Law out of retirement