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ChiFan24
05-07-2009, 04:18 AM
I was bored, and since I lack any sort of constructive hobby, this is the sort of thing I do. I posted something like this last year, and all things considered, it wasn't terrible. I tried to think in terms of VORP, though that may be a bit inconsistent with how it turned out.

Let me know how I did on your team; I wasn't entirely sure on most of these:

Patriots
01. Tom Brady, QB
02. Randy Moss, WR
03. Vince Wilfork, NT
04. Richard Seymour, DE
05. Ty Warren, DE
06. Wes Welker, WR
07. Adalius Thomas, LB
08. Jerod Mayo, LB
09. Logan Mankins, OG
10. Dan Koppen, C

Bills
01. Lee Evans, WR
02. Terrell Owens, WR
03. Terrence McGee, CB/RS
04. Marshawn Lynch, RB
05. Marcus Stroud, DT
06. Kawika Mitchell, SLB
07. Donte Whitner, S
08. Aaron Schobel, DE
09. Langston Walker, OT
10. Leodis McKelvin, CB/RS
Rookies: Eric Wood, Andy Levitre

Jets
01. Darrelle Revis, CB
02. Kris Jenkins, NT
03. Nick Mangold, C
04. Calvin Pace, OLB
05. David Harris, ILB
06. Bart Scott, ILB
07. Kerry Rhodes, S
08. Thomas Jones, RB
09. Alan Faneca, OG
10. Leon Washington, RS/RB

Dolphins
01. Ronnie Brown, RB
02. Jake Long, OT
03. Joey Porter, OLB
04. Phillip Merling, DE
05. Yeremiah Bell, S
06. Channing Crowder, ILB
07. Kendall Langford, DE
08. Vernon Carey, OT
09. Chad Pennington, QB
10. Will Allen, CB

Steelers
01. Ben Roethlisberger, QB
02. James Harrison, OLB
03. Troy Polamalu, S
04. Lamarr Woodley, OLB
05. Casey Hampton, NT
06. Hines Ward, WR
07. Ike Taylor, CB
08. James Farrior, ILB
09. Santonio Holmes, WR
10. Aaron Smith, DE

Bengals
01. Carson Palmer, QB
02. Jonathan Joseph, CB
03. Chad Johnson, WR
04. Keith Rivers, WLB
05. Leon Hall, CB
06. Laveranues Coles, WR
07. Domata Peko, DT
08. Andrew Whitworth, OG
09. Chinedum Ndukwe, S
10. Robert Geathers, DE
Rookies: Andre Smith, Rey Maualuga

Browns
01. Joe Thomas, OT
02. Shaun Rogers, NT
03. Braylon Edwards, WR
04. Eric Steinbach, OG
05. D’Qwell Jackson, ILB
06. Eric Wright, CB
07. Corey Williams, DE
08. Brandon McDonald, CB
09. Brodney Pool, S
10. Kamerion Wimbley, OLB
Rookies: Alex Mack

Ravens
01. Ed Reed, S
02. Ray Lewis, ILB
03. Haloti Ngata. DE/NT
04. Terrell Suggs, OLB
05. Kelly Gregg, NT
06. Derrick Mason, WR
07. Trevor Pryce, DE
08. Fabian Washington, CB
09. Le’Ron McClain, FB
10. Jared Gaither, OT

Colts
01. Peyton Manning, QB
02. Bob Sanders, S
03. Reggie Wayne, WR
04. Dwight Freeny, DE
05. Dallas Clark, TE
06. Kelvin Hayden, CB
07. Antoine Bethea, S
08. Robert Mathis, DE
09. Jeff Saturday, C
10. Joseph Addai, RB

Titans
01. Michael Roos, OT
02. Courtland Finnegan, CB
03. Chris Johnson, RB
04. Michael Griffin, FS
05. Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE
06. Chris Hope, SS
07. David Stewart, OT
08. Kevin Mawae, C
09. Keith Bullock, WLB
10. Jacob Ford, DE

Jaguars
01. Maurice Jones Drew, RB
02. John Henderson, DT
03. Rashean Mathis, CB
04. Daryl Smith, WLB
05. Justin Durant, MLB
06. Torry Holt, WR
07. Vincent Manuwai, OG
08. Brad Meester, C
09. Brian Williams, CB
10. David Garrard, QB
Rookies: Eugene Monroe

Texans
01. Andre Johnson, WR
02. Mario Williams, DE
03. Demeco Ryans, MLB
04. Dunta Robinson, CB
05. Steve Slaton, RB
06. Owen Daniels, TE
07. Matt Schaub, QB
08. Amobi Okoye, DT
09. Eric Winston, OT
10. Antonio Smith, DE
Rookies: Brian Cushing

Chargers
01. Phillip Rivers, QB
02. Antonio Gates, TE
03. Marcus McNeill, OT
04. Luis Castillo, DE
05. Shawne Merriman, OLB
06. Quentin Jammer, CB
07. Jamal Williams, NT
08. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB
09. Nick Hardwick, C
10. Vincent Jackson, WR

Broncos
01. Brandon Marshall, WR
02. Ryan Clady, OT
03. Champ Bailey, CB
04. Brian Dawkins, S
05. Eddie Royal, WR
06. D.J. Williams, ILB
07. Ryan Harris, OT
08. Elvis Dumervil, OLB
09. Casey Weigman, C
10. Tony Scheffler, TE
Rookies: Knowshon Moreno, Robert Ayers

Chiefs
01. Brandon Flowers, CB
02. Dwayne Bowe, WR
03. Derrick Johnson, ILB
04. Glenn Dorsey, DE/DT
05. Matt Cassel, QB
06. Jarrad Page, S
07. Larry Johnson, RB
08. Brandon Albert, OT
09. Mike Vrabel, OLB
10. Bernard Pollard, S
Rookies: Tyson Jackson

Raiders
01. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
02. Thomas Howard, WLB
03. Chris Johnson, CB
04. Kirk Morrison, MLB
05. Derrick Burgess, DE
06. Zach Miller, TE
07. Johnnie Lee Higgins, RS/WR
08. Darren McFadden, RB
09. Stanford Routt, CB
10. Tommy Kelly, DT

Eagles
01. Donovan McNabb, QB
02. Brian Westbrook, RB
03. Asante Samuel, CB
04. Jason Peters, OT
05. Shawn Andrews, OG/OT
06. Broderick Bunkley, DT
07. Trent Cole, DE
08. Stewart Bradley, MLB
09. Desean Jackson, WR/RS
10. Quintin Mikell, SS

Giants
01. Justin Tuck, DE
02. Osi Umenyiora, DE
03. Eli Manning, QB
04. Corey Webster, CB
05. Brandon Jacobs, RB
06. Michael Boley, WLB
07. Mathias Kiwanuka, DE
08. Chris Snee, OG
09. Shaun O’Hara, C
10. David Diehl, OT

Cowboys
01. DeMarcus Ware, OLB
02. Jason Witten, TE
03. Tony Romo, QB
04. Terrance Newman, CB
05. Jay Ratliff, NT
06. Bradie James, ILB
07. Roy Williams, WR
08. Marion Barber, RB
09. Greg Ellis, OLB
10. Ken Hamlin, S

Redskins
01. Albert Haynesworth, DT
02. Clinton Portis, RB
03. Carlos Rogers, CB
04. Laron Landry, S
05. Chris Cooley, TE
06. DeAngelo Hall, CB
07. Chris Samuels, OT
08. Santana Moss, WR
09. London Fletcher, MLB
10. Rocky McIntosh, WLB
Rookies: Brian Orakpo, SLB

Bears
01. Jay Cutler, QB
02. Lance Briggs, WLB
03. Brian Urlacher, MLB
04. Matt Forte, RB
05. Tommie Harris, DT
06. Devin Hester, RS/WR
07. Charles Tillman, CB
08. Greg Olsen, TE
09. Olin Kreutz, C
10. Orlando Pace, OT

Vikings
01. Adrian Peterson, RB
02. Kevin Williams, DT
03. Jared Allen, DE
04. Pat Williams, DT
05. E.J. Henderson, MLB
06. Antoine Winfield, CB
07. Chad Greenway, WLB
07. Steve Hutchinson, OG
09. Bryant McKinnie, OT
10. Bernard Berrian, WR

Packers
01. Charles Woodson, CB
02. Greg Jennings, WR
03. Aaron Rodgers, QB
04. Aaron Kampman, DE/OLB
05. Al Harris, CB
06. Nick Barnett, ILB
07. Nick Collins, S
08. A.J. Hawk, ILB
09. Donald Driver, WR
10. Ryan Grant, RB
Rookies: B.J. Raji, Clay Matthews

Lions
01. Calvin Johnson, WR
02. Ernie Sims, WLB
03. Julian Peterson, SLB
04. Kevin Smith, RB
05. Phillip Buchanon, CB
06. Anthony Henry, CB
07. Cliff Avril, DE
08. Dewayne White, DE
09. Dominic Raiola, C
10. Larry Foote, MLB
Rookies: Brandon Pettigrew, Louis Delmas

Falcons
01. Michael Turner, RB
02. Tony Gonzalez, TE
03. John Abraham, DE
04. Roddy White, WR
05. Matt Ryan, QB
06. Jonathan Babineaux, DT
07. Curtis Lofton, MLB
08. Justin Blalock, OG
09. Chris Houston, CB
10. Erik Coleman, S
Rookies: Peria Jerry

Saints
01. Drew Brees, QB
02. Jonathan Vilma, MLB
03. Marques Colston, WR
04. Jahri Evans, OG
05. Jammal Brown, OT
06. Reggie Bush, RS/RB
07. Jeremy Shockey, TE
08. Lance Moore, WR
09. Roman Harper, S
10. Will Smith, DE
Rookies: Malcolm Jenkins

Panthers
01. Steve Smith, WR
02. DeAngelo Williams, RB
03. Julius Peppers, DE
04. Jordan Gross, OT
05. Jon Beason, MLB
06. Chris Gamble, CB
07. Chris Harris, SS
08. Jonathan Stewart, RB
09. Jeff Otah, OT
10. Richard Marshall, CB

Buccaneers
01. Barrett Ruud, MLB
02. Antonio Bryant, WR
03. Kellen Winslow, TE
04. Gaines Adams, DE
05. Davin Joseph, OG
06. Tanard Jackson, S
07. Arron Sears, OG
08. Angelo Crowell, WLB
09. Derrick Ward, RB
10. Earnest Graham, RB

Cardinals
01. Larry Fitzgerald, WR
02. Anquan Boldin, WR
03. Darnell Dockett, DE/DT
04. Karlos Dansby, LB
05. Kurt Warner, QB
06. Adrian Wilson, SS
07. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
08. Levi Brown, OT
09. Bryant McFadden, CB
10. Chike Okeafor, DE/OLB
Rookies: Chris Wells

Seahawks
01. Lofa Tatapu, MLB
02. Marcus Trufant, CB
03. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, WR
04. Leroy Hill, WLB
05. Walter Jones, OT
06. Patrick Kerney, DE
07. Brandon Mebane, DT
08. Matt Hasselbeck, QB
09. Sean Locklear, OT
10. Cory Redding, DE/DT
Rookies: Aaron Curry

49ers
01. Patrick Willis, ILB
02. Frank Gore, RB
03. Nate Clement, CB
04. Eric Heitman, C
05. Justin Smith, DE
06. Joe Staley, OT
07. Takeo Spikes, ILB
08. Parys Haralson, OLB
09. Walt Harris, CB
10. Isaac Bruce, WR
Rookies: Michael Crabtree

Rams
01. Steven Jackson, RB
02. Ronald Bartell, CB
03. Will Witherspoon, WLB
04. Jason Brown, C
05. O.J. Atogwe, S
06. Adam Carriker, DT
07. Chris Long, DE
08. Donnie Avery, WR
09. Jake Bell, OG
10. Leonard Little DE
Rookies: Jason Smith, James Laurinaitis

fenikz
05-07-2009, 04:44 AM
Cardinals
01. Larry Fitzgerald, WR
02. Anquan Boldin, WR
03. Darnell Dockett, DE/DT
04. Karlos Dansby, LB
05. Kurt Warner, QB
06. Adrian Wilson, SS
07. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
08. Levi Brown, OT
09. Bryant McFadden, CB
10. Chike Okeafor, DE/OLB
Rookies: Chris Wells

I'd move Wilson higher #2 or #3, just bumping everyone else down, and I would put Steve Breaston, Gabe Watson, Reggie Wells, Tim Hightower, Gerald Hayes and Matt Leinart ahead of Chike

but good work overall

BlindSite
05-07-2009, 05:05 AM
Panthers
01. Steve Smith, WR
02. DeAngelo Williams, RB
03. Julius Peppers, DE
04. Jordan Gross, OT
05. Jon Beason, MLB
06. Chris Gamble, CB
07. Chris Harris, SS
08. Jonathan Stewart, RB
09. Jeff Otah, OT
10. Richard Marshall, CB


Switch out Marshall for Kalil and then switch him with Chris Harris.

1. Steve Smith
2. DeAngelo Williams
3. Julius Peppers
4. Jordan Gross
5. John Beason
6. Chris Gamble
7. Ryan Kalil
8. Johnathan Stewart
9. Jeff Otah
10. Chris Harris

Jakey
05-07-2009, 05:30 AM
STEELERS:

1: Lamarr Woodley
2: Lamarr Woodley
3: Lamarr Woodley
4: Big Ben
5: Troy Polamalu
6: James Harrison
7: Santonio Holmes
8: Lawrence Timmons
9: Aaron Smith
10: Ike Taylor

Maybe abit oddball...but in terms of current skill, i'd say its about right. In reallity, i'd put Woodley just behind Harrison.

Michigan
05-07-2009, 05:44 AM
Lions
01. Calvin Johnson, WR
02. Ernie Sims, WLB
03. Julian Peterson, SLB
04. Kevin Smith, RB
05. Phillip Buchanon, CB
06. Anthony Henry, CB
07. Cliff Avril, DE
08. Dewayne White, DE
09. Dominic Raiola, C
10. Larry Foote, MLB
Rookies: Brandon Pettigrew, Louis Delmas


Looks about right. Not as high on Henry, and if you included rookies I'd definitely include Pettigrew on the list. Jason Hanson should be on there too.

my list:
1. Calvin Johnson, WR
2. Jason Hanson, K
3. Julian Peterson, LB
4. Ernie Sims, LB
5. Kevin Smith, RB
6. Dominic Raiola, C
7. Dwayne White, DE
8. Cliff Avril, DE
9. Brandon Pettigrew, TE
10. Phillip Buchanon, CB

Caddy
05-07-2009, 06:09 AM
I don't really know what this list achieves, but Crowell is not one of Tampa Bays 10 best players.

Jensen
05-07-2009, 08:26 AM
Wilson should be higher on the Cards' list and Okeafor should not be on there at all, but overall it was a very good list.

My Top 10 list for the Cards:
1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Anquan Boldin
3. Adrian Wilson
4. Darnell Dockett
5. Karlos Dansby
6. Kurt Warner
7. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
8. Levi Brown
9. Bryant McFadden
10. Gabe Watson

terribletowel39
05-07-2009, 08:38 AM
Steelers
01. Ben Roethlisberger, QB
02. James Harrison, OLB
03. Troy Polamalu, S
04. Lamarr Woodley, OLB
05. Casey Hampton, NT
06. Hines Ward, WR
07. Ike Taylor, CB
08. James Farrior, ILB
09. Santonio Holmes, WR
10. Aaron Smith, DE

I would do it this way.

01. Ben Roethlisberger, QB
02. Troy Polamalu, S
03. Aaron Smith, DE
04. James Harrison, OLB
05. Lamaar Woodley, OLB
06. Ike Taylor, CB
07. James Farrior, MLB
08. Casey Hampton, NT
09. Hines Ward, WR
10. Heath Miller, TE

Splat
05-07-2009, 09:06 AM
Chiefs
01. Brandon Flowers, CB
02. Dwayne Bowe, WR
03. Derrick Johnson, ILB
04. Glenn Dorsey, DE/DT
05. Matt Cassel, QB
06. Jarrad Page, S
07. Larry Johnson, RB
08. Brandon Albert, OT
09. Mike Vrabel, OLB
10. Bernard Pollard, S
Rookies: Tyson Jackson


Bernard Pollard should not be on the list and Brain Waters should be I'm not going to even start with the order.:)

CC.SD
05-07-2009, 10:10 AM
Chargers
01. Phillip Rivers, QB
02. Antonio Gates, TE
03. Marcus McNeill, OT
04. Luis Castillo, DE
05. Shawne Merriman, OLB
06. Quentin Jammer, CB
07. Jamal Williams, NT
08. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB
09. Nick Hardwick, C
10. Vincent Jackson, WR


Hm not the greatest order.

1. Rivers
2. Merriman
3. Jamal Williams
4. Tomlinson (this hurts me, but not as much as 8
5. Gates
6. Jammer
7. Jackson
8. Dielman
9. McNeill
10. Castillo

Floating around in here somewhere too is a healthy Chris Chambers.

AntoinCD
05-07-2009, 10:14 AM
For the pats i would have the top 4 the same but i would put welker above warren and would have merriweather on the list instead of koppen. A few comments about it all would be aaron smith is way too low and imagine if the vikings had a qb. Winfield, Greenway and Hutchinson at 5 6 and 7. Thats impressive

The Unseen
05-07-2009, 10:17 AM
01. Maurice Jones Drew, RB
02. John Henderson, DT
03. Rashean Mathis, CB
04. Daryl Smith, WLB
05. Justin Durant, MLB
06. Torry Holt, WR
07. Vincent Manuwai, OG
08. Brad Meester, C
09. Brian Williams, CB
10. David Garrard, QB
Rookies: Eugene Monroe

John Henderson is too high. I'd replace Brian Williams or Justin Durant with Greg Jones - he's a Pro Bowl caliber FB. I'd move up Manuwai.

Good list overall, though. Why did you put rookies on some teams and not on others?

princefielder28
05-07-2009, 10:56 AM
Packers
01. Charles Woodson, CB
02. Greg Jennings, WR
03. Aaron Rodgers, QB
04. Aaron Kampman, DE/OLB
05. Al Harris, CB
06. Nick Barnett, ILB
07. Nick Collins, S
08. A.J. Hawk, ILB
09. Donald Driver, WR
10. Ryan Grant, RB


Al Harris is far too high and at this point in his career I don't think he's a Top 10 player on the team. I think you could place a healthy Cullen Jenkins in the Top 10.

MaxV
05-07-2009, 10:58 AM
For the Colts:

1. Peyton Manning (QB)
2. Bob Sanders (SS)
3. Dwight Freeney (DE)
4. Reggie Wayne (WR)
5. Robert Mathis (DE)
6. Dallas Clark (TE)
7. Joseph Addai (RB)
8. Kelvin Hayden (CB)
9. Jeff Saturday (OC)
10. Marlin Jackson (CB)

MetSox17
05-07-2009, 11:00 AM
Greg Ellis is NOT top ten on our team. Bradie James gets there on leadership only, i'd rather have put Leonard Davis and Marc Colombo/Andre Gurode.

tjsunstein
05-07-2009, 11:24 AM
Packers
01. Charles Woodson, CB
02. Greg Jennings, WR
03. Aaron Rodgers, QB
04. Aaron Kampman, DE/OLB
05. Al Harris, CB
06. Nick Barnett, ILB
07. Nick Collins, S
08. A.J. Hawk, ILB
09. Donald Driver, WR
10. Ryan Grant, RB
Rookies: B.J. Raji, Clay Matthews


I would go Rodgers and Woodson 1A and 1B and have Cullen Jenkins number 10. Maybe more Al Harris down a tad. So it'd look like:

1A. Charles Woodson
1B. Aaron Rodgers
2. Greg Jennings
3. Aaron Kampman
4. Nick Barnett
5. Nick Collins
6. Donald Driver
7. Al Harris
8. AJ Hawk
9. Ryan Grant
10. Cullen Jenkins

Is this the most important players to the team list or the ones with the best skill set? I went with most important players.

SuperMcGee
05-07-2009, 11:26 AM
Bills
01. Lee Evans, WR
02. Terrell Owens, WR
03. Terrence McGee, CB/RS
04. Marshawn Lynch, RB
05. Marcus Stroud, DT
06. Kawika Mitchell, SLB
07. Donte Whitner, S
08. Aaron Schobel, DE
09. Langston Walker, OT
10. Leodis McKelvin, CB/RS
Rookies: Eric Wood, Andy Levitre


Looks pretty good. I'll agree with Evans being the top guy, which doesn't speak too well for us. If McGee is healthy he's definitely up there but it's weird to see him that high. We have no stars at all on this defense. Poz is probably creeping around the #10 spot, but he's not spectacular. I also back a Kyle Williams argument.
In my opinion, there's not much difference from Lynch to Jackson.

the decider13
05-07-2009, 11:30 AM
Broncos
01. Brandon Marshall, WR
02. Ryan Clady, OT
03. Champ Bailey, CB
04. Brian Dawkins, S
05. Eddie Royal, WR
06. Ryan Harris, OT
07. D.J. Williams, ILB
08. Chris Kuper G
09. Peyton Hillis RB/FB
10. Daniel Graham TE
Rookies: Knowshon Moreno, Robert Ayers, Alphonso Smith

You were kinda close, but this is better

nobodyinparticular
05-07-2009, 11:40 AM
Bernard Pollard should not be on the list and Brain Waters should be I'm not going to even start with the order.:)

Pollard saved the season with his hit in week 1. He is the best player in the league other than Peyton Manning.

stephenson86
05-07-2009, 11:47 AM
Titans:-
1. Michael Roos
2. Chris Johnson
3. Cortland Finnegan
4. Michael Griffin
5. David Stewart
6. Chris Hope
7. Kyle Vanden Bosch
8. Keith Bulluck
9. Jake Scott
10. Ahmad Hall (Underrated beyond all measure)

nobodyinparticular
05-07-2009, 11:49 AM
Raiders
01. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
02. Thomas Howard, WLB
03. Chris Johnson, CB
04. Kirk Morrison, MLB
05. Derrick Burgess, DE
06. Zach Miller, TE
07. Johnnie Lee Higgins, RS/WR
08. Darren McFadden, RB
09. Stanford Routt, CB
10. Tommy Kelly, DT


Zach Miller is far too low--to be honest he's one of our top 3 players. And Stanford Routt has no business being on there over Robert Gallery. I like that you're so bullish on Chris Johnson. I really hope he can repeat those shutdown performances.

I'm conflicted with Samson Satele. I feel that after this year, he will be better than a lot of guys on here. Here is my list based on that.

1. Nnamdi Asomugha
2. Zach Miller
3. Chris Johnson
4. Thomas Howard
5. Kirk Morrison (based on past performance and future expectation--he sucked fairly hard last year)
6. Robert Gallery
7. Darren McFadden (when healthy; will jump up to #2 with a good season)
8. Johnnie Lee Higgins
9. Samson Satele (can jump up if he plays like it's 2007)
10. Tommy Kelly


Zach Miller is so high because he is such a good weapon on offense as well as his blocking. When people say he's "a fairly good blocker" they are really underselling him. There were times last year that he was the best blocker on the team (the majority of the time). He and Gallery were consistently the top 2 guys out there (along with Grove on his good days). Morrison took quite a few steps back last year, and I'm not really sure why. I think he can play better this year. I'm done with Derrick Burgess. He has pass rushing talent--kind of. I think Tommy Kelly, with the way that he is able to control the line, is better. As he is now a full season removed from his surgery, I think he can rush the passer better in 2009.

Watch out for Jamarcus Russell.

D-Rod
05-07-2009, 11:52 AM
Falcons
01. Michael Turner, RB
02. Tony Gonzalez, TE
03. John Abraham, DE
04. Roddy White, WR
05. Matt Ryan, QB
06. Jonathan Babineaux, DT
07. Curtis Lofton, MLB
08. Justin Blalock, OG
09. Chris Houston, CB
10. Erik Coleman, S
Rookies: Peria Jerry



Not bad at all.

I'd say:

1. Gonzalez
2. Abraham
3. Turner
4. White
5. Ryan
6. Babs
7. Blalock
8. Coleman (really underrated player)
9. Lofton
10. Jenkins

XxXdragonXxX
05-07-2009, 12:22 PM
Seahawks
01. Lofa Tatapu, MLB
02. Marcus Trufant, CB
03. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, WR
04. Leroy Hill, WLB
05. Walter Jones, OT
06. Patrick Kerney, DE
07. Brandon Mebane, DT
08. Matt Hasselbeck, QB
09. Sean Locklear, OT
10. Cory Redding, DE/DT
Rookies: Aaron Curry



I'd put Brandon Mebane at 2, or maybe even 1.

Deon Grant, Ken Lucas or Josh Wilson at 10 instead of Redding...I'd also have Nate Burleson above him.

FlyingElvis
05-07-2009, 12:23 PM
VORP?

I'm way too tired . . . can't put together what that means at all.

So I guess I should reserve comment, but I will say that Kevin Faulk is severely underrated. The guy does everything well and is probably the most reliable player on the team.



EDIT: ok - VORP= Value over replacement player, so I guess Faulk is tough to put on the list w/RB as NE's deepest position.

Brent
05-07-2009, 12:32 PM
I cant argue with the Niners one. Good work.

etk
05-07-2009, 12:34 PM
Surprisingly good job on the Bucs. Your couch must love you on Sundays.

I'd tweak the order a bit but nothing major. Crowell is too much of a ? to be on the list. Replace him with Donald Penn, or Jermaine Phillips if you don't believe in the LB talk with him.

21ST
05-07-2009, 12:48 PM
Fletcher is probly number 5 but other than that good job

Bengalsrocket
05-07-2009, 03:02 PM
Bengals
01. Carson Palmer, QB
02. Jonathan Joseph, CB
03. Chad Johnson, WR
04. Keith Rivers, WLB
05. Leon Hall, CB
06. Laveranues Coles, WR
07. Domata Peko, DT
08. Andrew Whitworth, OG
09. Chinedum Ndukwe, S
10. Robert Geathers, DE
Rookies: Andre Smith, Rey Maualuga


JJ isn't #2 for us. Leon Hall is a better corner. For not being a Bengals fan though, it's a pretty nice list. Mine would be:

Bengals
01. Carson Palmer, QB
02. Andrew Whitworth, OG
03. Chad Johnson, WR
04. Leon Hall, CB
05. Keith Rivers, WLB
06. Laveranues Coles, WR
07. Chris Henry, WR
08. Chinedum Ndukwe, S
09. Dhani Jones, MLB
10. Domata Peko, DT
Rookies: Andre Smith, Rey Maualuga

Added Chris Henry and Dhani Jones, took out JJ and Geathers. Rearranged several players also.

Crickett
05-07-2009, 03:11 PM
Jets
01. Darrelle Revis, CB
02. Kris Jenkins, NT
03. Nick Mangold, C
04. Calvin Pace, OLB
05. David Harris, ILB
06. Bart Scott, ILB
07. Kerry Rhodes, S
08. Thomas Jones, RB
09. Alan Faneca, OG
10. Leon Washington, RS/RB

I'd probably switch Thomas Jones and Calvin Pace on this list. Actually, I'll take that a step further and put Calvin Pace at #10.

wicket
05-07-2009, 03:12 PM
Saints
01. Drew Brees, QB
02. Jonathan Vilma, MLB
03. Marques Colston, WR
04. Jahri Evans, OG
05. Jammal Brown, OT
06. Reggie Bush, RS/RB
07. Jeremy Shockey, TE
08. Lance Moore, WR
09. Roman Harper, S
10. Will Smith, DE
Rookies: Malcolm Jenkins


I think harper and moore are a bit high. Ellis should be in there as should Nicks. I know they just played one good season but to be honoust, so did Moore and Harper played okay for a few seasons but is yet to play a good season. My Saints List:
01. Drew Brees, QB
02. Jonathan Vilma, MLB
03. Marques Colston, WR
04. Jahri Evans, OG
05. Reggie Bush, RS/RB
06. Jammal Brown, OT
07. Jeremy Shockey, TE
08. Will Smith, DE
09. Sedrick Ellis, DT
10. Carl Nicks, OG

Just missing out: Porter and Moore. (cant rate new players yet of course)

GB12
05-07-2009, 03:21 PM
Packers
01. Charles Woodson, CB
02. Greg Jennings, WR
03. Aaron Rodgers, QB
04. Aaron Kampman, DE/OLB
05. Al Harris, CB
06. Nick Barnett, ILB
07. Nick Collins, S
08. A.J. Hawk, ILB
09. Donald Driver, WR
10. Ryan Grant, RB
Rookies: B.J. Raji, Clay Matthews
Terrible list for the Packers, especially if you were trying to do it as VORP. How could you rank them by VORP and not put Rodgers #1?

By VORP:
1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Aaron Kampman
3. Greg Jennings
4. Nick Barnett
5. Nick Collins
6. Charles Woodson
7. Cullen Jenkins
8. Donald Driver
9. Chad Clifton
10. Ryan Grant

Overall Top 10 Players:
1. Aaron Kampman
2. Charles Woodson
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Greg Jennings
5. Nick Barnett
6. Nick Collins
7. Cullen Jenkins
8. Donald Driver
9. Al Harris
10. Chad Clifton

terribletowel39
05-07-2009, 03:49 PM
What is VORP??

Race for the Heisman
05-07-2009, 03:53 PM
Bears
01. Jay Cutler, QB
02. Lance Briggs, WLB
03. Brian Urlacher, MLB
04. Matt Forte, RB
05. Tommie Harris, DT
06. Devin Hester, RS/WR
07. Charles Tillman, CB
08. Greg Olsen, TE
09. Olin Kreutz, C
10. Orlando Pace, OT


1. Lance Briggs
2. Jay Cutler
3. Matt Forte
4. Orlando Pace
5. Tommie Harris
6. Brian Urlacher
7. Charles Tillman
8. Desmond Clark
*9. Devin Hester
10. Greg Olsen

We have most of the same people. I justify Briggs at one based on his play and Urlacher's declining play, as well as Cutler hardly being scintillating in Denver, despite his talent. Forte means more to the team then Urlacher at this point, I think. Harris and Pace are both fantastic talents, Pace is just injured too often and Harris gets banged up in addition to not playing up to his talent level. I can't justify any of the offensive line that has actually been with the team being on this list, so not Kreutz, and I would have Hester at #1 if he was still on return duties.

JETS5128
05-07-2009, 03:58 PM
Jets
01. Darrelle Revis, CB
02. Kris Jenkins, NT
03. Nick Mangold, C
04. Calvin Pace, OLB
05. David Harris, ILB
06. Bart Scott, ILB
07. Kerry Rhodes, S
08. Thomas Jones, RB
09. Alan Faneca, OG
10. Leon Washington, RS/RB


Not bad, my list would be

01. Darrelle Revis, CB
02. Kris Jenkins, NT
03. Nick Mangold, C
04. Thomas Jones, RB
05. Bart Scott, ILB
06. Kerry Rhodes, S
07. David Harris, ILB
08. Alan Faneca, OG
09. Leon Washington, RS/RB
10. Calvin Pace, OLB

PoopSandwich
05-07-2009, 04:21 PM
A Browns list without Dawson and Cribbs?

What?

Not bad I guess but I don't know how you can leave Cribbs off he's always on highlights.

BmoreBlackByrdz
05-07-2009, 04:22 PM
Ravens
01. Ed Reed, S
02. Ray Lewis, ILB
03. Haloti Ngata. DE/NT
04. Terrell Suggs, OLB
05. Kelly Gregg, NT
06. Derrick Mason, WR
07. Trevor Pryce, DE
08. Fabian Washington, CB
09. Le’Ron McClain, FB
10. Jared Gaither, OT


Good list, but here's one from a fans point of view -

01. Ed Reed
02. Haloti Ngata
03. Jared Gaither
04. Terrell Suggs
05. Ray Lewis
06. Derrick Mason
07. Joe Flacco
08. Le'Ron McClain
09. Dominique Foxworth
10. Justin Bannan and/or Kelly Gregg

Rookies: Michael Oher & Paul Kruger both should see alot of playing time.

Honorable Mentions-
Ben Grubbs
Trevor Pryce
Fabian Washington
Chris Carr, Ray Rice and Willis McGahee

Michigan
05-07-2009, 05:13 PM
What is VORP??

I'm pretty sure it's value over replacement player. Not a really common term...

Rjspartan
05-07-2009, 05:36 PM
Panthers
01. Steve Smith, WR
02. DeAngelo Williams, RB
03. Julius Peppers, DE
04. Jordan Gross, OT
05. Jon Beason, MLB
06. Chris Gamble, CB
07. Chris Harris, SS
08. Jonathan Stewart, RB
09. Jeff Otah, OT
10. Richard Marshall, CB


1. 3rd rounder
2. 1st rounder
3. 1st rounder
4. 1st rounder
5. 1st rounder
6. 1st rounder
7. trade
8. 1st rounder
9. 1st rounder
10. 2nd rounder

abaddon41_80
05-07-2009, 05:38 PM
49ers
01. Patrick Willis, ILB
02. Frank Gore, RB
03. Nate Clement, CB
04. Eric Heitman, C
05. Justin Smith, DE
06. Joe Staley, OT
07. Takeo Spikes, ILB
08. Parys Haralson, OLB
09. Walt Harris, CB
10. Isaac Bruce, WR
Rookies: Michael Crabtree

1. Patrick Willis, ILB
2. Frank Gore, RB
3. Justin Smith, DE
4. Nate Clements, CB
5. Joe Staley, LT
6. Shaun Hill, QB
7. Allen Rossum, KR
8. Eric Heitmann, C
9. Manny Lawson, OLB
10. Isaac Bruce, WR

OneToughGame
05-07-2009, 05:45 PM
I'd put Brandon Mebane at 2, or maybe even 1.

Deon Grant, Ken Lucas or Josh Wilson at 10 instead of Redding...I'd also have Nate Burleson above him.

Mebane at 2 is pretty ridiculous at this point. He's underrated but NOT that underrated. Right now for me it's...

1. Lofa Tatupu
2. Matt Hasselbeck (without him we're under a .500 team)
3. T.J. Houshmandzadeh
4. Walter Jones (only let up 3.5 sacks last season even though he's "old" lol.)
5. Leroy Hill.
6. Marcus Trufant.
7. Patrick Kerney
8. Brandon Mebane.
9. Deion Branch. ( When healthy of course lol)
10. Josh Wilson.
Rookie: Aaron Curry.

Mr. Goosemahn
05-07-2009, 05:48 PM
Steelers
01. Ben Roethlisberger, QB
02. James Harrison, OLB
03. Troy Polamalu, S
04. Lamarr Woodley, OLB
05. Casey Hampton, NT
06. Hines Ward, WR
07. Ike Taylor, CB
08. James Farrior, ILB
09. Santonio Holmes, WR
10. Aaron Smith, DE


I'd go:

1. Ben Roethlisberger, QB
Can't start the list off without the two time Superbowl-winning Franchise QB, who's just 27 years old.

2. Troy Polamalu, SS
His versatility and talent allows him to roam all over the field, making plays everywhere. Plus, his ability to play a kind of safety/linebacker hybrid every now and then allows Harrison and Woodley to blitz more often. And he's still 28 years old.

3. James Harrison, OLB
Arguably one of the best 3-4 OLB in the game, and the reigning DPOY, Harrison recently turned 31. Though he doesn't have that much wear-and-tear, it's still the wrong side of 30. He's still a vital element to the defense, though, and his play pass-rushing is invaluable.

4. Aaron Smith, DE
The best defensive lineman the Steelers have. He played last year with his son battling leukemia, and still managed to do a heck of a good job. Is primarily a run-stuffer, but still manages to get sacks every now and then. One of the best overall guys the Steelers have. Takes up multiple linemen, which allows Woodley to get to the QB.

5. LaMarr Woodley, OLB
Young OLB kind of gets overshadowed by Harrison, but is a promising guy. Had 11.5 sacks in the regular season, and 6 in 3 post season games. His play, together with Harrison's, combine for a great pass-rushing duo. Is at #5 because the other guys are vital to the defense and have played for a couple of years, while Woodley has been a starter for only 1.

6. Ike Taylor, CB
Shut-down great WR like Braylon Edwards, Randy Moss, and others.

7. James Farrior, ILB
The ageless wonder, Farrior has played a ton of games at ILB and doesn't seem to tire.

8. Hines Ward, WR
Sure-handed WR who's getting up there in age. Has lost a bit of speed and agility, but still brings great overall toughness to the game.

9. Heath Miller, TE
Underrated TE, can do virtually everything well. Is used more as a blocker than receiver, but excels in all categories.

10. Casey Hampton, DT
Great 3-4 NT, but isn't used that much anymore. Still a great run-stopper, but value to team has decreased as of late.

jkpigskin
05-07-2009, 05:53 PM
Ravens
01. Ed Reed, S
02. Ray Lewis, ILB
03. Haloti Ngata. DE/NT
04. Terrell Suggs, OLB
05. Kelly Gregg, NT
06. Derrick Mason, WR
07. Trevor Pryce, DE
08. Fabian Washington, CB
09. Le’Ron McClain, FB
10. Jared Gaither, OT


not a bad list but i would disagree with the ladder half.
1. Ed Reed
2. Haloti Ngata
3. Ray Lewis
4. Terrell Sugg
5. Derrick Mason
6. Kelly Gregg
7. Ben Grubbs
8. Le'Ron McClain
9. Willis McGahee (when healthy)
10. Todd Heap (when healthy)

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 06:09 PM
Tuck over Osi? Boley and Kiwi over Kenny Phillips, Chris Snee and Shaun O'Hara? Questionable for certain. Not even a mention of Fred Robbens? I think your not bad but you're over-rating Tuck, Jacobs, Kiwi and Boley.

eaglesalltheway
05-07-2009, 06:30 PM
Decent list for the Eagles, but I'd have Quentin Mikell up much higher than 10. He was our best defensive player last year, and it really wasn't close. He is an All-Pro and will really shine through this year. I'd have him in the top 4 at least.

Crickett
05-07-2009, 06:45 PM
Tuck over Osi? Boley and Kiwi over Kenny Phillips, Chris Snee and Shaun O'Hara? Questionable for certain. Not even a mention of Fred Robbens? I think your not bad but you're over-rating Tuck, Jacobs, Kiwi and Boley.

I wouldn't argue with Tuck over Osi. Tuck has more versatility and excels at everything a DE does.

Boley and Kiwi over Kenny Phillips I wouldn't argue with either at this point in their careers. I mean what has Phillips done so far? I expect big thing from Phillips, but lets face it, he wasn't used all that extensively this past year.

BmoreBlackByrdz
05-07-2009, 06:58 PM
not a bad list but i would disagree with the ladder half.
1. Ed Reed
2. Haloti Ngata
3. Ray Lewis
4. Terrell Sugg
5. Derrick Mason
6. Kelly Gregg
7. Ben Grubbs
8. Le'Ron McClain
9. Willis McGahee (when healthy)
10. Todd Heap (when healthy)

No Joe Flacco and Jared Gaither? Gaither allowed 2 sacks last year and Flacco is our franchise QB. I think Heap has to be taken off that list, as much as I support him, he has lost a step in the pass game, mainly because he has been asked to block alot but as of now Flacco and Gaither are better than Todd Heap.

Menardo75
05-07-2009, 08:10 PM
I cant argue with the Niners one. Good work.

Ditto that pretty solid even though the only think Haralson has over Lawson so far is a pass rush, but we will see.

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 09:04 PM
I wouldn't argue with Tuck over Osi. Tuck has more versatility and excels at everything a DE does.

Boley and Kiwi over Kenny Phillips I wouldn't argue with either at this point in their careers. I mean what has Phillips done so far? I expect big thing from Phillips, but lets face it, he wasn't used all that extensively this past year.

Phillips is easily our second most important DB and I'd argue back seven player. He does everything for us has let us start coverage-challenged James Butler as well as the run game incompetent Michael johnson alongside of him. Kiwi hasn't played at his DE weight since his rookie year and while I love his potential and attitude we have yet to see him put it together while Phillips has he just needs to grow more comfortable. I loved Boley two years ago in Atlanta but I want ot see him bulk up again and play at that level for us before I rank him above KP.

And while Tuck's versatility is great, Osi's a better pass rusher and only slightly less effective against the run. Osi's the better end, so while I love what tuck brings I can't validate ranking him over Osi until he's better than Osi at the position they play.

jackalope
05-07-2009, 09:16 PM
For Green Bay...

1- Aaron Kampman
2- Charles Woodson
3- Greg Jennings
4- Aaron Rodgers
5- Nick Collins
6- Nick Barnett
7- Cullen Jenkins
8- Donald Driver
9- Chad Clifton
10- Ryan Pickett

Kinda hard to do, especially with the defensive scheme change. Kampman could drop off the list by the end of the year.

senormysterioso
05-07-2009, 09:30 PM
1. 3rd rounder
2. 1st rounder
3. 1st rounder
4. 1st rounder
5. 1st rounder
6. 1st rounder
7. trade
8. 1st rounder
9. 1st rounder
10. 2nd rounder

That's a good point, Carolina has done a really good job in the first round lately. Maybe they should consider holding on to a first round pick one of these years.

Crickett
05-07-2009, 09:34 PM
Phillips is easily our second most important DB and I'd argue back seven player. He does everything for us has let us start coverage-challenged James Butler as well as the run game incompetent Michael johnson alongside of him. Kiwi hasn't played at his DE weight since his rookie year and while I love his potential and attitude we have yet to see him put it together while Phillips has he just needs to grow more comfortable. I loved Boley two years ago in Atlanta but I want ot see him bulk up again and play at that level for us before I rank him above KP.

Kenny Phillips is arguably the second most important DB the Giants have. Which makes him arguably the 8th most important player on the Giants......... defense. He rotated with Butler and Johnson this past year. At this point in his career, he hasn't done much and there's no reason to say he is a better player than Kiwi or Boley...... yet.


And while Tuck's versatility is great, Osi's a better pass rusher and only slightly less effective against the run. Osi's the better end, so while I love what tuck brings I can't validate ranking him over Osi until he's better than Osi at the position they play.

Osi's a better pass rusher, but not significantly better and Tuck is one of if not the best 4-3 DE run stoppers in the league. His versatility is more than just his ability to play defensive end and undertackle. Its his excellence at both run stopping and pass rushing. Tuck's like what Shaun Ellis was when the Jets played the 4-3, only much much better.

RaiderNation
05-07-2009, 09:50 PM
Stanford Routt as one our top 10 players = FAIL

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 10:30 PM
Kenny Phillips is arguably the second most important DB the Giants have. Which makes him arguably the 8th most important player on the Giants......... defense. He rotated with Butler and Johnson this past year. At this point in his career, he hasn't done much and there's no reason to say he is a better player than Kiwi or Boley...... yet.




Osi's a better pass rusher, but not significantly better and Tuck is one of if not the best 4-3 DE run stoppers in the league. His versatility is more than just his ability to play defensive end and undertackle. Its his excellence at both run stopping and pass rushing. Tuck's like what Shaun Ellis was when the Jets played the 4-3, only much much better.

And Kiwi's done what exactly? Don't get me wrong, I'm probably one of the biggest fans and have said more than once that I think Kiwi in his prime will be our best end, but right now KP is far more important and has made a bigger impact. His game is just so versatile that he can play with anyone at safety and make them look solid, I mean James Butler played with ankle weights on and Michael johnson doesn't believe in taking good angles against the run yet KP covered up their messes and made it work. If he's more comfortable this season look for a break out year stat wise for him. And again Boley had a bad year last year, I'm hoping for the best because he can be a stud, but let's see how he fits and whether he's able to get back to that level first. I see the case against KP over Kiwi and Boley but I think that right now the case for him is stronger.

And while I do love tuck he isn't on Osi's level as an outside pass rusher, there's quite a difference and while Osi may not dominate against the run he's a very good run stuffer himself. Again I love Tuck and all, but Osi's a better end. If you asked me too pick between a run stuffing monster who can get after the passer from the outside and inside and one of the league's premier sack artist who also happens to be a plus run defender I'm take the stud edge rusher.

Crickett
05-07-2009, 10:43 PM
And Kiwi's done what exactly?

8 sacks, one of which for a safety

But, to compare.

G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
2008 New York Giants
16 16 51 34 17 8.0 1 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -
16 3 67 55 12 0.0 -- 5 1 0 0.0 0 0 -- --

And Kiwanuka was actually a starter, instead of a player who rotated in.


And while I do love tuck he isn't on Osi's level as an outside pass rusher, there's quite a difference and while Osi may not dominate against the run he's a very good run stuffer himself. Again I love Tuck and all, but Osi's a better end. If you asked me too pick between a run stuffing monster who can get after the passer from the outside and inside and one of the league's premier sack artist who also happens to be a plus run defender I'm take the stud edge rusher.


And now I'll compare Osi's 2007 to Justin Tuck's 2008.

G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
2007 New York Giants 16 16 52 40 12 13.0 0 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -
2008 New York Giants 16 16 67 52 15 12.0 0 2 1 41 41.0 41T 1 -- --

No, Osi is not that much better of a pass rusher than Justin Tuck and if I had a choice between a great outside pass rusher who is pretty good at run stopping and and a defensive end who excels at every facet you want a defensive end to excel at and can even move inside to defensive tackle...... I'm going with option 2.

BigBanger
05-07-2009, 11:27 PM
Let me help you.

Giants
01. Justin Tuck, DE
02. Osi Umenyiora, DE (HORRIBLY OVERRATED)
03. Eli Manning, QB
04. Corey Webster, CB
05. Brandon Jacobs, RB
06. Michael Boley, WLB
07. Mathias Kiwanuka, DE (SITUATIONAL GUY. AHDEAD OF THE BEST GUARD IN THE NFL? NO
08. Chris Snee, OG
09. Shaun O’Hara, C
10. David Diehl, OT


1. Justin Tuck, DE
2. Chris Snee, OG (Best OG in the game)
3. Corey Webster, CB
4. Kareem McKenzie, OT (One of the best RTs in the game)
5. Eli Manning, QB
6. David Diehl, OG
7. Michael Boley, OLB
8. Antonio Pierce, MLB
9. Brandon Jacobs, RB
10. Osi Umenyiora, DE

Jets
01. Darrelle Revis, CB
02. Kris Jenkins, NT
03. Nick Mangold, C
04. Calvin Pace, OLB (IS THIS A JOKE? IT'S NOT FUNNY. PLAYS LIKE GARBAGE AGAINST ANYONE WHO CAN ACTUALLY BLOCK)
05. David Harris, ILB
06. Bart Scott, ILB
07. Kerry Rhodes, S
08. Thomas Jones, RB
09. Alan Faneca, OG (CAN'T PASS BLOCK AT ALL. OVERRATED)
10. Leon Washington, RS/RB

1. Darrelle Revis, CB
2. Kris Jenkins, NT
3. Nick Mangold, C
4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT
5. Bart Scott, ILB
6. Vernon Gholston, OLB (WATCH OUT)
7. David Harris, ILB
8. Jerricho Cotchery, WR
9. Kerry Rhodes, S (I EXPECT HE'LL START PLAYING LIKE THE PRO BOWLER HE WAS IN RYAN'S NEW DEFENSE)
10. Lito Sheppard, CB

holt_bruce81
05-07-2009, 11:29 PM
The Rams don't even have 10 Quality players on their team.

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 11:37 PM
8 sacks, one of which for a safety

But, to compare.

G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
2008 New York Giants
16 16 51 34 17 8.0 1 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -
16 3 67 55 12 0.0 -- 5 1 0 0.0 0 0 -- --

And Kiwanuka was actually a starter, instead of a player who rotated in.





And now I'll compare Osi's 2007 to Justin Tuck's 2008.

G GS Total Solo Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FUM Lost
2007 New York Giants 16 16 52 40 12 13.0 0 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- -- -
2008 New York Giants 16 16 67 52 15 12.0 0 2 1 41 41.0 41T 1 -- --

No, Osi is not that much better of a pass rusher than Justin Tuck and if I had a choice between a great outside pass rusher who is pretty good at run stopping and and a defensive end who excels at every facet you want a defensive end to excel at and can even move inside to defensive tackle...... I'm going with option 2.

Meh, you're comparing a safety who was cleaning up after the fools he played with with the numbers of a DE playing opposite a top 5 DE and having a good trio of DTs. Again I love kiwi, but he's not a very good starter yet, I hope he will this year with the offseason to get his weight back to DE levels, but he hasn't been a very exceptional DE yet. He plays the run very well but his ability to get pressure was very inconsistent. Phillips on the otherhand was a guy that was relied on heavily at his level as played the role of ultimate glue man, he didn't begin the season as a starter, but by the end he was getting most of the time out of our safeties and played the most different roles. Again i'm not trying to take anything away from kiwi yet but he hasn't shown that he can be consistently special yet while Phillips did show he could be a guy you build your scheme around back there, because he showed that he could do everything you could ask a safety to do. This season the game should slow down for him and we should see him reacting more quickly which'll also make him a very good playmaker, so to me Phillips is more impressive heading into the offseason and should continue to be more impressive this coming season. That said if at the end of the year Kiwi's beasting off those one-on-one's all day and deserves to be ranked over KP I won't complain.

As for Tuck/Osi you can't compare their numbers from those years, osi was competing with tuck and strahan for sacks that season while still seeing most of the double-teams, whereas tuck was competing with a 240 pound kiwi and Dave Tollefson for sacks while seeing most of the double-teams. Osi just missed on a good nother 5 sacks in 07 just because he got their as tuck or strahan was bringing the QB down or chasing Qbs into the other guys, because his double-teams left them one on one. But we should get to see this season who offenses are focusing on and which one is more dynamic while facing double-teams.

diabsoule
05-07-2009, 11:44 PM
Roman Harper should not be on that list for the Saints. I'd probably replace him with Charles Grant, Pierre Thomas, or Sedrick Ellis.

Da-Phins
05-07-2009, 11:46 PM
Dolphins
01. Ronnie Brown, RB
02. Jake Long, OT
03. Joey Porter, OLB
04. Phillip Merling, DE
05. Yeremiah Bell, S
06. Channing Crowder, ILB
07. Kendall Langford, DE
08. Vernon Carey, OT
09. Chad Pennington, QB
10. Will Allen, CB

Pennington and Allen should be near the top. And Merling should be out and either Camarillo or Ginn in.

Mr. Hero
05-07-2009, 11:49 PM
Will Allen lulz

Da-Phins
05-07-2009, 11:51 PM
Will Allen lulz

If you watched him play last season, you will know why.

Mr. Hero
05-08-2009, 12:15 AM
If you watched him play last season, you will know why.

I understand he played well last season but as a giants fan every time I hear his name I'll think back to his hands of steel and years with the giants and chuckle to make the pain go away.

Crickett
05-08-2009, 01:05 AM
Meh, you're comparing a safety who was cleaning up after the fools he played with with the numbers of a DE playing opposite a top 5 DE and having a good trio of DTs. Again I love kiwi, but he's not a very good starter yet, I hope he will this year with the offseason to get his weight back to DE levels, but he hasn't been a very exceptional DE yet. He plays the run very well but his ability to get pressure was very inconsistent. Phillips on the otherhand was a guy that was relied on heavily at his level as played the role of ultimate glue man, he didn't begin the season as a starter, but by the end he was getting most of the time out of our safeties and played the most different roles. Again i'm not trying to take anything away from kiwi yet but he hasn't shown that he can be consistently special yet while Phillips did show he could be a guy you build your scheme around back there, because he showed that he could do everything you could ask a safety to do. This season the game should slow down for him and we should see him reacting more quickly which'll also make him a very good playmaker, so to me Phillips is more impressive heading into the offseason and should continue to be more impressive this coming season. That said if at the end of the year Kiwi's beasting off those one-on-one's all day and deserves to be ranked over KP I won't complain.

No, he (Phillips) did not show he is someone you can scheme around. If he did, he would have been in the Giants starting lineup by the end of the season. Now, I expect him to become that as you do, but to say he is already that is just wrong. He looked impressive when he was in the game, but he just didn't get enough of an opportunity as a rookie.

As for Kiwi, he's not a pro bowl level DE yet, but he's still pretty good and IMO, a better player than Kenny Phillips at this point in their careers.


As for Tuck/Osi you can't compare their numbers from those years, osi was competing with tuck and strahan for sacks that season while still seeing most of the double-teams, whereas tuck was competing with a 240 pound kiwi and Dave Tollefson for sacks while seeing most of the double-teams.

I don't really have any proof to refute this claim as Jets and Giants games usually get deleted from the DVR after 1 week here. But I don't recall seeing much in the way of double teams and I find it hard to believe that Osi got the majority of double teams playing on a line with Michael Strahan and/or Justin Tuck.

I understand he played well last season but as a giants fan every time I hear his name I'll think back to his hands of steel and years with the giants and chuckle to make the pain go away.

He wasn't so bad discounting his complete inability to get interceptions. Remember, where there's a will, there's a way (its been a few years since I've uttered that joke). :p

jkpigskin
05-08-2009, 03:11 AM
No Joe Flacco and Jared Gaither? Gaither allowed 2 sacks last year and Flacco is our franchise QB. I think Heap has to be taken off that list, as much as I support him, he has lost a step in the pass game, mainly because he has been asked to block alot but as of now Flacco and Gaither are better than Todd Heap.

I would def consider jared gaither in the top 10, but for right now, i want to see more than one good season from both... im sure both will succeed and be a fixture on the these types of list

Gay Ork Wang
05-08-2009, 07:29 AM
lol for Vernon Gholston on BigBangers list

Addict
05-08-2009, 07:58 AM
For the lions it's probably

1. Calvin Johnson
2-9 nobody knows.

triggernome
05-08-2009, 08:04 AM
Texans:
1. Andre Johnson
2. Mario Williams
3. Owen Daniels
4. DeMeco Ryans
5. Dunta Robinson
6. Steve Slaton
7. Kevin Walter
8. Matt Schaub
9. Eric Winston
10. Vonta Leach

You can't leave out Kevin Walter. Antonio Smith has yet to play for the Texans, so I'd leave him out.

ChiFan24
05-08-2009, 08:52 AM
So far, Josh Cribbs for Cleveland, Steve Breaston for Arizona, and Kevin Walter for Houston were just cases of me forgetting to put them on the list. Cribbs would have been top 4 or 5, while the other two would have been 9 or 10. Just flat out forgot about them.

Pretty much everyone else that's been mentioned were just cases of me not realizing the guy was worthy of being on the list.

the decider13
05-08-2009, 08:56 AM
Let me help you.

1. Darrelle Revis, CB
2. Kris Jenkins, NT
3. Nick Mangold, C
4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT
5. Bart Scott, ILB
6. Vernon Gholston, OLB (WATCH OUT)
7. David Harris, ILB
8. Jerricho Cotchery, WR
9. Kerry Rhodes, S (I EXPECT HE'LL START PLAYING LIKE THE PRO BOWLER HE WAS IN RYAN'S NEW DEFENSE)
10. Lito Sheppard, CB

Gholston more important than Rhodes, Harris, Cotchery, and Sheppard? Hmmm...just don't see it. I would "watch out" but he never saw the field. Hard to make the top 10 if you don't play.

Gay Ork Wang
05-08-2009, 09:10 AM
Gholston had like 4 tackles

tjsunstein
05-08-2009, 10:26 AM
Let me help you.
1. Darrelle Revis, CB
2. Kris Jenkins, NT
3. Nick Mangold, C
4. D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT
5. Bart Scott, ILB
6. Vernon Gholston, OLB (WATCH OUT)
7. David Harris, ILB
8. Jerricho Cotchery, WR
9. Kerry Rhodes, S (I EXPECT HE'LL START PLAYING LIKE THE PRO BOWLER HE WAS IN RYAN'S NEW DEFENSE)
10. Lito Sheppard, CB

Ok. Let ME help YOU.
Vernon Gholston? No.
Log out and never come back.

BigBanger
05-08-2009, 12:04 PM
Vernon Gholston is going to blow up this year.

Quote me.

tjsunstein
05-08-2009, 12:09 PM
Vernon Gholston is going to blow up this year.

Quote me.

Really going out on a limb there considering Rex Ryan already said that he's making Gholston his personal project. But him being more important than David Harris is really funny. And blow up how? Like 39 tackles instead of 13?

BigBanger
05-08-2009, 12:25 PM
Really going out on a limb there considering Rex Ryan already said that he's making Gholston his personal project. But him being more important than David Harris is really funny. And blow up how? Like 39 tackles instead of 13?
Pass rushers are more important than ILBs.


He will lead the team in sacks and QB pressures. I would be disappointed with anything less than 10 sacks.

jkpigskin
05-08-2009, 12:27 PM
Pass rushers are more important than ILBs.


He will lead the team in sacks and QB pressures. I would be disappointed with anything less than 10 sacks.

i would disagree with your statement of passrushers are more important than ILBs
ILBs are involved in more plays and usually are your field generals... i really believe you can replace a pass rushing LB much easier than an all around one

nepg
05-08-2009, 12:50 PM
Drop Koppen, add Meriweather.

BigBanger
05-08-2009, 12:53 PM
i would disagree with your statement of passrushers are more important than ILBs
ILBs are involved in more plays and usually are your field generals... i really believe you can replace a pass rushing LB much easier than an all around one
Well, it's not just my view. Why do you think Gaines Adams went in the top 5 and Patrick Willis went 11th? Adams wasn't the better prospect, and if anyone thought a one-trick pony like Adams was, then they're insane. It's because of the position he plays. Pass rushers, like Freeney and Peppers, get the huge contracts. They're the ones drafted in the top 5. Not even the best ILB prospect of the last 7 years can get drafted in the top 5.

Crickett
05-08-2009, 12:58 PM
Let me help you.



9. Brandon Jacobs, RB
10. Osi Umenyiora, DE


09. Alan Faneca, OG (CAN'T PASS BLOCK AT ALL. OVERRATED)

6. Vernon Gholston, OLB (WATCH OUT)

9. Kerry Rhodes, S (I EXPECT HE'LL START PLAYING LIKE THE PRO BOWLER HE WAS IN RYAN'S NEW DEFENSE)


A monocle just appeared out of nowhere on my face and then promptly fell off and broke

Alan Faneca can't pass block?

Brandon Jacobs and Osi Umenyiora as #9 and #10 for the Giants?

Vernon Gholston in the top 10, or even 20 on the Jets???

Are you !@#$%^& serious????

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

BigBanger
05-08-2009, 01:05 PM
A monocle just appeared out of nowhere on my face and then promptly fell off and broke

Alan Faneca can't pass block?

Brandon Jacobs and Osi Umenyiora as #9 and #10 for the Giants?

Vernon Gholston in the top 10, or even 20 on the Jets???

Are you !@#$%^& serious????

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
The Giants are built around their O-Line and D-Line. Anyone can run behind that line. That's why he's so low. Andre Brown could probably step in from day 1 and run for 1,000 yards. It's kind of like the Titans.


As far as I'm concerned, Osi hasn't done a damn thing since he had 14 sacks, which was about 5 years ago. If he didn't face Winston Justice he wouldn't have another season with 8 sacks.


How many sacks has Faneca given up over the last three years? It's probably close to 20. He's been on the downfall of his career. This is common knowledge. He's not even their best guard.

I can understand Gholston, but just watch. Just watch.

Crickett
05-08-2009, 01:18 PM
The Giants are built around their O-Line and D-Line. Anyone can run behind that line.

But not everyone can plow through defenses like Brandon Jacobs can. I've seen Marion Barber III do it. Thats about it. Although I will admit I haven't seen enough of Steven Jackson. You could make the argument that Derrick Ward was a product of the Giants o-line. And many buccaneer fans have. But the Giants o-line doesn't give a running back the ability to just power through opposing defenses. Thats all Brandon Jacobs.

That's why he's so low. Andre Brown could probably step in from day 1 and run for 1,000 yards. It's kind of like the Titans.

I'm not going to argue that Andre Brown could come in and be a 1,000 yard running back, but then again, Andre Brown is who I wanted the Jets to get if they didn't trade up for Shonn Greene because both could very well be the most recent two mid round running backs to come into the NFL and excel.


As far as I'm concerned, Osi hasn't done a damn thing since he had 14 sacks, which was about 5 years ago. If he didn't face Winston Justice he wouldn't have another season with 8 sacks.

But thats true of everyone. Take out their best game and how well do they do?



How many sacks has Faneca given up over the last three years? It's probably close to 20.

I doubt that, but more than that, Alan Faneca was what allowed the Jets offensive line to go from terrible in both run blocking and pass protecting to good in one year. The Jets went from having the worst starting left guard in the NFL to one of the best and having watched the Jets the past two years (its been longer, but this argument pertains to the past 2 years), I can not fathom how anyone can complain about Faneca's pass blocking.


I can understand Gholston, but just watch. Just watch.

Its funny given your complaint about Calvin Pace. Hopefully Rex Ryan will be able to make something out of Vernon Gholston but........Darren Sproles could have blocked him this past year.

McGahee
05-08-2009, 03:22 PM
Worst list ever ChiFan

ChiFan24
05-08-2009, 06:47 PM
Worst list ever ChiFan

You can't talk to me that way, I have FIVE green squares under my name.

Crickett
05-08-2009, 07:50 PM
You can't talk to me that way, I have FIVE green squares under my name.

Congratulations, this is the first quote I've seen that has made me think about replacing my current sig quote.

+rep for you.

marshallb
05-08-2009, 09:33 PM
Congratulations, this is the first quote I've seen that has made me think about replacing my current sig quote.

+rep for you.

If you don't mind, I'll take that one.

vidae
05-09-2009, 01:28 AM
That Chiefs list just reminded me how much of a baller Brandon Flowers is. HES THE TRUTH!

TitanHope
05-09-2009, 02:28 AM
Titans
01. Michael Roos, OT
02. Courtland Finnegan, CB
03. Chris Johnson, RB
04. Michael Griffin, FS
05. Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE
06. Chris Hope, SS
07. David Stewart, OT
08. Kevin Mawae, C
09. Keith Bullock, WLB
10. Jacob Ford, DE

Bulluck is spelled with two U's, and he's a SLB. Cortland Finnegan's name is spelled "Cort" and not "Court." If going by VORP, Mawae and Ford don't belong. Mawae is still a very good Center, but both Leroy Harris and Eugene Amano have filled in well over the past two seasons whenever he was injured. Jacob Ford isn't a starter.

My personal list would go:

01: Michael Roos, LT
02: Cortland Finnegan, CB
03: Chris Johnson, RB
04: Michael Griffin, FS
05: Chris Hope, SS
06: Keith Bulluck, SLB
07: David Stewart, RT
08: Kyle Vanden Bosch, RE
09: Ahmard Hall, FB
10: Tony Brown, DT

1-4 I agree with. KVB gets moved down since Jacob Ford is the 3rd DE. Chris Hope's backup is a career ST's player, so there's a huge dropoff there - earning Hope the #5 spot. Keith Bulluck is #6 because his backups are very inexperienced, and no one could man his SLB spot like he can. David Stewart is a 2nd Team All-Pro, and his backup will likely be a rookie. Ahmard Hall is the best, classic FB in the NFL, in my opinion, and is a huge credit to our run-game. Tony Brown is very under-rated in my opinion, and anchored the DL when Haynesworth would be injured. There's a lot of young talent at the DT position in Jason Jones, Jovan Haye, and Sen'Derrick Marks, but they're not up on Brown's level yet.

David Thornton was a consideration at WLB, but Stephen Tulloch has filled in for him in the past well. Nick Harper too now that his backups are rookies and DeMarcus Faggins. Kerry Collins I thought about, but I dunno...I just don't think the dropoff between him and VY is epic.

Overall, very good job for not being a Titans fan. Even if ya mispelled a few of our best players' names wrong! ;)

Mr. Goosemahn
05-09-2009, 11:11 AM
Vernon Gholston is going to blow this year.


Fixed that for you, BigBanger.

:D

Draft King
05-09-2009, 11:11 AM
IMO

1. Tony Gonzalez
2. John Abraham
3. Roddy White
4. Michael Turner
5. Matt Ryan
6. Jonathan Babineaux
7. Ovie Mughelli (one of the best blocking backs in the league, you missed him)
8. Justin Blalock
9. Chris Houstom
10. Erik Coleman

eaglesalltheway
05-09-2009, 12:53 PM
I like that the FB position is getting new life in the NFL again. Until last year, there were a lot of people worried that the position would die out. But there are great FBs all over the NFL and are getting opportunities to show it. Mughelli is a great FB, and he is one of the main reasons Turner was so successful last year. I was a FB in HS, so I've got a soft spot for them...

Mr. Hero
05-10-2009, 12:51 PM
The Giants are built around their O-Line and D-Line. Anyone can run behind that line. That's why he's so low. Andre Brown could probably step in from day 1 and run for 1,000 yards. It's kind of like the Titans.


As far as I'm concerned, Osi hasn't done a damn thing since he had 14 sacks, which was about 5 years ago. If he didn't face Winston Justice he wouldn't have another season with 8 sacks.

How about you don't comment about the giants until you actually watch some giants games. We have an awesome run blocking OL, but Jacobs wears down defenses with his running like almost no other backs can, that's another huge part of why Derrick Ward was able to have so much success and why by the time we hit teams with Ahmad their defenses were ready to just quit.

As for osi you're ignoring all of the pressures he gets and double teams he faces, he's a very good run blocker and a team leader. I think the case for him over tuck is a very strong one, but even if you don't acknowledge that you have to at least rank them closely. If all you're going to do is bring up stats just save your breath.