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Mr. Goosemahn
05-09-2009, 11:06 AM
Here's a list compiling how many sacks each player allowed. To be on the list, the players had to start the majority of the season. Don't know if it's already been posted.
Anyways, here it is:
Those in green went to the Pro-Bowl
Left Tackle
1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. DBrickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
Left Guard
1. Kris Dielman (Chargers) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Charlie Johnson (Colts) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. David Baas (49ers) 0 sacks allowed (9 starts)
4. Carl Nicks (Saints) 0.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
5. Todd Herremans (Eagles) 0.75 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Brian Waters (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
7. Josh Beekman (Bears) 1.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Robert Gallery (Raiders) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Reggie Wells (Cardinals) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Eugene Amano (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Chris Chester (Ravens) 2.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
12. Chester Pitts (Texans) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Ben Hamilton (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Travelle Wharton (Panthers) 2.5 sacks allowed (14 starts)
12. Jacob Bell (Rams) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Jeff Smiley (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
17. Rich Seubert (Giants) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Pete Kendall (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Justin Blalock (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Eric Steinbach (Browns) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
21. Floyd Womack (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (14 starts)
22. Edwin Mulitalo (Lions) 4.25 sacks allowed (11 starts)
23. Arron Sears (Bucs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Uche Nwaneri (Jags) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Cory Procter (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
26. Logan Mankins (Pats) 5.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Andrew Whitworth (Bengals) 5.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
28. Daryn Colledge (Packers) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Steve Hutchinson (Vikings) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
29. Alan Faneca (Jets) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) *PRO-BOWL*
31. Chris Kemoeatu (Steelers) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Derrick Dockery (Bills) 8.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Center
1. Olin Kreutz (Bears) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Todd McClure (Falcons) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Chris Myers (Texans) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Kevin Mawae (Titans) 0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
1. Ryan Kalil (Panthers) 0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Brad Meester (Jags) 0.25 sacks allowed (10 starts)
7. Lyle Sendlein (Cardinals) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Duke Preston (Bills) 0.75 sacks allowed (11 starts)
9. Casey Wiegmann (Broncos) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
9. Jeff Faine (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Nick Mangold (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Andre Gurode (Cowboys) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Shaun OHara (Giants) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Matt Birk (Vikings) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Jeff Saturday (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
12. Dominic Raiola (Lions) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
12. Nick Leckey (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
19. Jason Brown (Ravens) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Jamaal Jackson (Eagles) 2.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. Hank Fraley (Browns) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. Nick Hardwick (Chargers) 2.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
21. Jake Grove (Raiders) 2.5 sacks allowed (12 starts)
21. Chris Spencer (Seahawks) 2.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
25. Rudy Niswanger (Chiefs) 3.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
25. Scott Wells (Packers) 3.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
27. Eric Heitmann (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Eric Ghaiciuc (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Samson Satele (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Dan Koppen (Pats) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Casey Rabach (Redskins) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
32. Justin Harwig (Steelers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Right Guard
1. Chris Kuper (Broncos) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Jake Scott (Titans) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Max Jean-Gilles (Eagles) 0.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
4. Chris Snee (Giants) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Harvey Dahl (Falcons) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Jason Spitz (Packers) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Ikechuku Ndukwe (Dolphins) 1.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
4. Brad Butler (Bills) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
4. Davin Joseph (Bucs) 1.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
4. Adrian Jones (Chiefs) 1.0 sacks allowed (10 starts)
11. Rex Hadnot (Browns) 1.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
12. Deuce Lutui (Cardinals) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Brandon Moore (Jets) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Mike Brisiel (Texans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) \
12. Jahri Evans (Saints) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Mike Pollak (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Stephen Neal (Pats) 2.0 sacks allowed (9 starts)
18. Roberto Garza (Bears) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Randy Thomas (Redskins) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Robbie Williams (Bengals) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
19. Cooper Carlisle (Raiders) 4.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Stephen Peterman (Lions) 4.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
19. Tony Wragge (49ers) 4.0 sacks allowed (10 starts) RFA
24. Leonard Davis (Cowboys) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
24. Mike Goff (Chargers) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Darnell Stapleton (Steelers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
27. Ben Grubbs (Ravens) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Richie Incognito (Rams) 6.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
29. Dennis Norman (Jags) 7.25 sacks allowed (14 starts)
30. Anthony Herrera (Vikings) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
No Seahawk or Panther started more then 8 games at RG
Right Tackle
1. Ryan Diem (Colts) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Ray Willis (Seahawks) 1.5 sacks allowed (10 starts)
4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. Mark Tauscher (Packers) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
6. Ryan Harris (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Tyson Clabo (Falcons) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Langston Walker (Bills) 3.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
8. Nick Kaczur (Pats) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
10. Willie Anderson (Ravens) 3.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
11. Kareem McKenzie (Giants) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
11. Vernon Carey (Dolphins) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
11. Kevin Shaffer (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
14. Jeff Otah (Panthers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
15. Tony Pashos (Jags) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
15. Marc Colombo (Cowboys) 5.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
17. Willie Colon (Steelers) 5.75 sacks allowed (16 starts) RFA
18. John Tait (Bears) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
18. Jeremy Trueblood (Bucs) 6.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
18. Ryan Cook (Vikings) 6.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
18. Gosder Cherilus (Lions) 6.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
22. Damien Woody (Jets) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Jeromey Clary (Chargers) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Jon Jansen (Redskins) 6.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
25. Jon Runyan (Eagles) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
25. Damion McIntosh (Chiefs) 7.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Cornell Green (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
27. Alex Barron (Rams) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
29. Eric Winston (Texans) 8.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. Stacy Andrews (Bengals) 9.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
31. Adam Snyder (49ers) 9.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Kind of surprising to see Jason Peters dead last on that list, and Joe Thomas on the bottom half. Also surprising is having Steve Hutchinson and Alan Faneca on the last four, as well as Leonard Davis on the bottom half.
cdf_2108
05-09-2009, 11:13 AM
interesting post. I wonder how they determine that stat. It seems like there might be situations where a lineman accrues a sack allowed they don't deserve or they get bailed out by a RB.
Or, for example, in a lot of zone blocking schemes, a guy might peel off his defender and the other lineman might blow his assignment but it would look like a sack against the original blocker.
Also, being a good lineman isn't just about pass protection, it's also about mauling for the run. Not saying Jason Peters is a great run blocker but that might be why certain guys don't have the greatest Sacks Allowed stats but are still in the pro bowl.
Then again, when was the last time we said the Pro Bowl is a legitimate way of picking the best players in the NFL?
OneToughGame
05-09-2009, 11:16 AM
I liked what I saw from Ray Willis at RT last season but I didn't think he did as well as that list is showing in pass protections. Good job Willis lol.
marshallb
05-09-2009, 11:19 AM
Those #s seem a little off for the Vikings. I don't think there is any way Hutchinson and Herrera gave up 7.0 and 7.5 sacks, but Ryan Cook only gave up 6.0. I watched every Vikings game this year, except the first quarter of the first game, and those #s just don't seem right, but I could be wrong.
TitanHope
05-09-2009, 11:22 AM
Great stuff Goosemahn!
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Eugene Amano (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Kevin Mawae (Titans) 0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
2. Jake Scott (Titans) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4 out of 5 ranked in the Top 5 at their position, and Amano was ranked in the Top 10. Total of 5.5 sacks allowed by the group. In comparison, Giants LT David Diehl alone gave up 6.5 sacks, and as a group gave up 17 sacks.
Best pass-blocking OL in the NFL fellas. :cool:
:D
vatech=accdomination
05-09-2009, 11:23 AM
Duane Brown holding it down I see
NIN1984
05-09-2009, 11:26 AM
Denver has two really good young OTs.
Michigan
05-09-2009, 11:27 AM
If you want full OL stats for any player in the league, here they are:
http://yesnetwork.stats.com/fb/findplayer.asp?type=position&position=95
Go_Eagles77
05-09-2009, 11:29 AM
31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
30. Stacy Andrews (Bengals) 9.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
Ummm. Yeah...
Obviously there are a lot of factors that go into it. I'm just hoping the whole hold-out thing and not playing in TC/Pre-season is what attributed to this, because what I hear from bills fans is that he started to play at a pro-bowl level late in the season.
As for Stacy Andrews, I'm hoping he gets moved inside and we move Shawn Andrews to RT, who was a All-American in college at the position.
Brent
05-09-2009, 11:33 AM
goddamn Mike Martz's system
Mr. Goosemahn
05-09-2009, 11:36 AM
Those #s seem a little off for the Vikings. I don't think there is any way Hutchinson and Herrera gave up 7.0 and 7.5 sacks, but Ryan Cook only gave up 6.0. I watched every Vikings game this year, except the first quarter of the first game, and those #s just don't seem right, but I could be wrong.
The website Michigan put on the thread says the stats are right.
Gay Ork Wang
05-09-2009, 11:42 AM
Josh Beekman is doing nicer than i expected
NY+Giants=NYG
05-09-2009, 11:43 AM
Good post, but also take those stats with a huge grain of salt. Each offensive system is different, and thus so are the pass protection schemes. So if a vertical stretch offense has a more 5 and 7 man drops, the pass protection scheme will be different than an offense that has alot of quick passes, like 1, 3 and 5 step drops. So you may see alot more variety in that scheme in terms of pass protections from BOB, 3 man slide, and so on. So good post to see those numbers, but keep in mind there are more parts to the puzzle then those stats.
coordinator0
05-09-2009, 11:50 AM
Looks good except Chester was the Ravens RG and Grubbs was the LG.
SeanTaylorRIP
05-09-2009, 11:52 AM
Jared Gaither what a beast. Only 3 sacks allowed all season although hurt for a good chunk when you play James Harrison, Lamar Woodley, and Blitzburgh twice a year. He also had to match up one on one against Demarcus Ware, Tuck, Mathis, among others. The guy is honestly my biggest mancrush in the league right now. He might be the single most impressive physical specimen in the league. It is just wrong for a guy 6-9" 330 pounds to have such quick feet. I thought Ravens fans were a bit overzealous for proclaiming him the successor for Jon Ogden, but after seeing him for a year the kids forreal. Skills and talent to be an elite LT for the next 10+ years. They got him with a 5th round compensation pick, get out of here. He and Oher are going to be nasty for a long time.
BTW I was somewhat surprised with how high Samuels was but he did miss 1/4th of the season and that list doesn't count holds, false starts, etc.
jth1331
05-09-2009, 11:55 AM
1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Ben Hamilton (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
9. Casey Wiegmann (Broncos) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Chris Kuper (Broncos) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Ryan Harris (Broncos) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Very impressive, especially considering 3 of those guys(Clady, Harris and Kuper) was the first starting action they saw in the Pro's. Could be a dominant OL for years, just need youth at C and replace Hamilton.
Prowler
05-09-2009, 11:58 AM
jeff backus had a relatively great year. only 9.25 sacks allowed instead of the 15.5 he had the year before.
tjsunstein
05-09-2009, 11:59 AM
Jason Spitz, wow. Only 1 sack.
Mark Tauscher with only 2. Gonna be hard to replace him.
No one else is noteworthy.
Good post though.
tjsunstein
05-09-2009, 12:00 PM
Maybe this is a dumb question but how do you give up .25 of a sack?
Prowler
05-09-2009, 12:00 PM
lol 3 other guys sucked on the play also and just let the defense through.
TitanHope
05-09-2009, 12:00 PM
Jared Gaither what a beast. Only 3 sacks allowed all season although hurt for a good chunk when you play James Harrison, Lamar Woodley, and Blitzburgh twice a year. He also had to match up one on one against Demarcus Ware, Tuck, Mathis, among others. The guy is honestly my biggest mancrush in the league right now. He might be the single most impressive physical specimen in the league. It is just wrong for a guy 6-9" 330 pounds to have such quick feet. I thought Ravens fans were a bit overzealous for proclaiming him the successor for Jon Ogden, but after seeing him for a year the kids forreal. Skills and talent to be an elite LT for the next 10+ years. They got him with a 5th round compensation pick, get out of here. He and Oher are going to be nasty for a long time.
Gaither really impressed me when the Titans played the Ravens twice this past season. Grubbs did very well too.
Rooooooooooooooooooooooos pwns him tho!!! ;) :D
regoob2
05-09-2009, 12:01 PM
I am extremely excited about the Bears new OTs.
tjsunstein
05-09-2009, 12:05 PM
lol 3 other guys sucked on the play also and just let the defense through.
haha Kind of like a dump screen but the D got the QB?
Just an odd number.
eaglesalltheway
05-09-2009, 12:29 PM
Ummm. Yeah...
Obviously there are a lot of factors that go into it. I'm just hoping the whole hold-out thing and not playing in TC/Pre-season is what attributed to this, because what I hear from bills fans is that he started to play at a pro-bowl level late in the season.
As for Stacy Andrews, I'm hoping he gets moved inside and we move Shawn Andrews to RT, who was a All-American in college at the position.
The team has made that switch, IDK if its official, but it has been widely reported that is the plan with them.
eaglesalltheway
05-09-2009, 12:31 PM
Good post, but also take those stats with a huge grain of salt. Each offensive system is different, and thus so are the pass protection schemes. So if a vertical stretch offense has a more 5 and 7 man drops, the pass protection scheme will be different than an offense that has alot of quick passes, like 1, 3 and 5 step drops. So you may see alot more variety in that scheme in terms of pass protections from BOB, 3 man slide, and so on. So good post to see those numbers, but keep in mind there are more parts to the puzzle then those stats.
As always, there is always more to consider than stats alone, but in many instances stats are a good indicator. Now I agree the number will vary for different offenses based on what you said, but also the blocking scheme, quality of pass blockers at the TE, RB, and FB positions, as well as the QB and teams faced.
eaglesalltheway
05-09-2009, 12:35 PM
Maybe this is a dumb question but how do you give up .25 of a sack?
Say a G and C had a responsibility for the NT, but he beat them and got half a sack with some other defender. Since the player they were up agianst was creditted with .5 a sack, those two were equally responsible for that guy and were charged evenly. If that NT got the sack by himself, they each would get .5 sack charged agaisnt them...
jth1331
05-09-2009, 12:39 PM
I'm still pissed btw that no Bronco OL went to the Pro Bowl. What a joke that is now.
UKfan
05-09-2009, 12:43 PM
Colts O-L
6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
1. Charlie Johnson (Colts) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Jeff Saturday (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
12. Mike Pollak (Colts) 2.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
1. Ryan Diem (Colts) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
I'm quite surprised at these stats in all honesty, I'm not a big Charlie Johnson fan, neither Ryan Diem. I guess Peyton Manning helps these stats a ton due to his pocket presence as early on during out 3-4 start the line looked like a sieve. I'd be very intrigued if similar stats were out there for QB pressures.
yourfavestoner
05-09-2009, 12:54 PM
Jesus, our offensive line was the suxorz last season.
eaglesalltheway
05-09-2009, 12:57 PM
I love that my man Max Jean Gilles was second for RGs in sacks allowed, when he is known more as a Road Grader... If it wasn't for Shawn the last few years being a monster, MJG would be a pro bowler for sure. He is massive, 355+ and insanely quick considering his size. I just wish he could get more PT.
Flyboy
05-09-2009, 01:02 PM
A lot of our low sack numbers has to do with how quickly Drew Brees gets rid of the football.
CashmoneyDrew
05-09-2009, 01:05 PM
Titans o-line is very nice. 1.1 sacks per player and they basically started every game. Super win win!
OneToughGame
05-09-2009, 01:21 PM
Great stuff Goosemahn!
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
10. Eugene Amano (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Kevin Mawae (Titans) 0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
2. Jake Scott (Titans) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4. David Stewart (Titans) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
4 out of 5 ranked in the Top 5 at their position, and Amano was ranked in the Top 10. Total of 5.5 sacks allowed by the group. In comparison, Giants LT David Diehl alone gave up 6.5 sacks, and as a group gave up 17 sacks.
Best pass-blocking OL in the NFL fellas. :cool:
:D
Now if only you had more then just a game manager at QB ;)
Mr. Goosemahn
05-09-2009, 01:42 PM
The Steelers line sucks at pass-protecting...
Hopefully Urbik and Shipley improve this.
LT: 14. Max Starks - 4 Sacks Allowed (11 Starts)
LG: 31. Chris Kemoeatu - 7.5 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
C: 32. Justin Hartwig - 6.5 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
RG: 26. Darnell Stapleton - 5 Sacks Allowed (12 Starts)
RT: 17. Willie Colon - 5.75 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
Our best player ended up being a guy who wasn't even the starter at the beginning of the season. FML.
Hopefully they can gel together better in this offseason.
SuperMcGee
05-09-2009, 01:58 PM
Jesus, our offensive line was the suxorz last season.
At least your blind side blockers weren't both dead last.
Three new starters for us this year that don't even show up on that list, plus position changes all around. This is going to be interesting, to put a non-negative term on it.
diabsoule
05-09-2009, 02:11 PM
Nice to see that the Saints OL did a great job in not allowing a lot of sacks.
WinslowBodden
05-09-2009, 02:12 PM
I am extremely excited about the Bears new OTs.
Kevin Shaffer is one of the worst players I have ever watched, and I have watched the Browns since their comeback in 1999.
regoob2
05-09-2009, 02:18 PM
Kevin Shaffer is one of the worst players I have ever watched, and I have watched the Browns since their comeback in 1999.
He isnt starting. We have Pace at LT and Chris Williams first round pick at RT.
Jensen
05-09-2009, 02:25 PM
LT - 20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
LG - 8. Reggie Wells (Cardinals) 1.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
C - 7. Lyle Sendlein (Cardinals) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
RG - 12. Deuce Lutui (Cardinals) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
RT - 32. Levi Brown (Cardinals) 11.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Surprised to see that Levi gave up the highest amount of sacks for RT's. Gandy actually did a little better than I thought he would have. Now if only the run blocking could be improved.
Menardo75
05-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Atleast they showed mercy and didn't put Barry Sims on that list.
The Unseen
05-09-2009, 02:34 PM
Jesus, our offensive line was the suxorz last season.
Seeing those numbers pretty much confirm how things went: OTs were inconsistent, guards were teh suck, but Brad Meester was still boss.
the decider13
05-09-2009, 02:37 PM
YEAH
Kuper, Clady, Harris
Beasting
NY+Giants=NYG
05-09-2009, 03:03 PM
As always, there is always more to consider than stats alone, but in many instances stats are a good indicator. Now I agree the number will vary for different offenses based on what you said, but also the blocking scheme, quality of pass blockers at the TE, RB, and FB positions, as well as the QB and teams faced.
Stats are good if people know the overall picture and use it to confirm it, but if fans or anyone doesn't know the overall picture, and use stats as the end all or rely on it more so, then that's where it can be inaccurate.
Yeah personnel variables are there as well. So if DeMarcus Ware is killing QBs with his sacks, instead of rolling into a game with your usual pass protections you may have to slide the protection to where ever he is, and make the other OLB the hot blitzer. So even that is a variable.
I think all stats are good to have, but I would say they are what they are, you have to measure it against the overall picture and then it will tell the complete story.
TitanHope
05-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Now if only you had more then just a game manager at QB ;)
Why don't you just go massage Hasselbeck's sore back ya meanie! :p
But seriously, some people were like, "Oh, Collins has become the wiley vet QB who comes in and plays game manager! He's made a comeback! Hooray!" when in fact he's playing behind one of the best pass-blocking Offensive Lines in his career. It's crazy how he became better last season. But, when the pressure occasionally gets to him, he still turns back into Mr. Hyde. Ole Kerruh and his 55% completion percentage. Scottyboy knows what's up.
CashmoneyDrew
05-09-2009, 03:17 PM
When the pressure occasionally gets to him, he still turns back into Mr. Hyde. Ole Kerruh and his 55% completion percentage.
Yeah, remember that INT he threw off of his back foot, into double coverage in the redzone during the playoff game vs. the Ravens? Bad Collins. Very bad.
WinslowBodden
05-09-2009, 03:24 PM
He isnt starting. We have Pace at LT and Chris Williams first round pick at RT.
Pray to god, as I will for you, that he does not have to start at some point.
NY+Giants=NYG
05-09-2009, 03:26 PM
Yeah, remember that INT he threw off of his back foot, into double coverage in the redzone during the playoff game vs. the Ravens? Bad Collins. Very bad.
That's the Carrie Collins I remember! Of course he had some good games too for us back in the day. But way too streaky for my liking. The fastest I ever seen Carrie move was on a 3 and out, where he showed Michael Vick speed heading to the sidelines.
TitanHope
05-09-2009, 03:28 PM
Yeah, remember that INT he threw off of his back foot, into double coverage in the redzone during the playoff game vs. the Ravens? Bad Collins. Very bad.
It was like a punt. He just friggin' chucked it straight up in the air. I watched it unfold as if it were in slow motion. I'm pretty sure Ed Reed waved for a fair catch before intercepting it.
KFC>VY when playing behind the healthy OL, but if the OL has injuries and the pass-blocking suffers, he's toast. We'd be better off with VY in that situation. I think we're closer to the possibility of VY seeing the field than most people think because of that possibility. VY has his flaws, but no one executes the "Pull somethin' outta your ass play" better than he does. :D
Nalej
05-09-2009, 03:35 PM
Well, that proved what I already knew.
The Pats OLine was terrible last year
Burns336
05-09-2009, 03:39 PM
Is it sad that about 1/3 of the Cowboy sacks came against Brad Johnson.
d34ng3l021
05-09-2009, 04:35 PM
The Steelers line sucks at pass-protecting...
Hopefully Urbik and Shipley improve this.
LT: 14. Max Starks - 4 Sacks Allowed (11 Starts)
LG: 31. Chris Kemoeatu - 7.5 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
C: 32. Justin Hartwig - 6.5 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
RG: 26. Darnell Stapleton - 5 Sacks Allowed (12 Starts)
RT: 17. Willie Colon - 5.75 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
Our best player ended up being a guy who wasn't even the starter at the beginning of the season. FML.
Hopefully they can gel together better in this offseason.
I think those stats can be attributed to the fact that Ben Roethlisberger usually doesn't get rid of the ball on time too...
keylime_5
05-09-2009, 04:39 PM
The Steelers line sucks at pass-protecting...
Hopefully Urbik and Shipley improve this.
LT: 14. Max Starks - 4 Sacks Allowed (11 Starts)
LG: 31. Chris Kemoeatu - 7.5 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
C: 32. Justin Hartwig - 6.5 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
RG: 26. Darnell Stapleton - 5 Sacks Allowed (12 Starts)
RT: 17. Willie Colon - 5.75 Sacks Allowed (16 Starts)
Our best player ended up being a guy who wasn't even the starter at the beginning of the season. FML.
Hopefully they can gel together better in this offseason.
When your QB holds onto the ball as long as Roethlisberger, you're gonna give up a ******** of sacks no matter who is up front. Sacks allowed is the most deceiving stat there is. If you have Peyton Manning and his release at QB you're not gonna give up any sacks even if you get beat a lot.
Brent
05-09-2009, 04:39 PM
Is it sad that about 1/3 of the Cowboy sacks came against Brad Johnson.
Brad Johnson also moves like he's got cement boots on.
Mr. Hero
05-09-2009, 04:42 PM
Nice to see the big improvement in Diehl's stats, he pretty much halved the amount of sacks he gave up last year, granted he got plenty of help, but he did improve in pass pro and was such a boss in the running game that I love having him and then grooming Beatty to push him over to RT.
8.5 sacks for Penn. 4.5 for Sears. Both numbers seem way too high. I guess I didn't consider all those times Garcia refused to throw the ball and hopped around like a bunny.
Freeman will cut those #s in 1/2 if he starts.
Hurricanes25
05-09-2009, 04:56 PM
wow, I didnt realize that Faneca gave up 7 sacks last year. No way he should have gone to the pro bowl. Everyone on the Jets were pretty solid except Woody who gave up 6.5. At least it looks like Bricks is starting to pay off.
I knew my boy Jared "The Big Steal" Gaither would be high on this list, I was upset when he was declared academically inelligible to play at Maryland, but boy did things work out for me, and all Ravens fans. I'd like to personally thank all the GM's who decided NOT to give up anything higher than a 5th round for him, you guys are the best. It's great when you can get one of your favorite players from your favorite college team on your favorite pro team.
fenikz
05-09-2009, 05:08 PM
there is no way levi brown gave up more sacks than mike gandy, they might have those two backwards
Go_Eagles77
05-09-2009, 05:09 PM
I knew my boy Jared "The Big Steal" Gaither would be high on this list, I was upset when he was declared academically inelligible to play at Maryland, but boy did things work out for me, and all Ravens fans. I'd like to personally thank all the GM's who decided NOT to give up anything higher than a 5th round for him, you guys are the best. It's great when you can get one of your favorite players from your favorite college team on your favorite pro team.
That's how I felt when the eagles drafted Tony Hunt. He's currently out of the league. That worked out well...
Don Vito
05-09-2009, 05:17 PM
Funny how Nick Kazcur catches the most flak for our linemen but he is in the best standing on this list for our line.
That's how I felt when the eagles drafted Tony Hunt. He's currently out of the league. That worked out well...
I haven't heard the name Tony Hunt in ages, I wanted him on the Ravens, I guess we dodged a bullet on that one.
thetedginnshow
05-09-2009, 05:26 PM
wow, I didnt realize that Faneca gave up 7 sacks last year. No way he should have gone to the pro bowl. Everyone on the Jets were pretty solid except Woody who gave up 6.5. At least it looks like Bricks is starting to pay off.
These stats aren't always the most accurate. They don't account for schemes and all that. Plus, it can't be understated how much he did to improve our rushing attack.
the decider13
05-09-2009, 05:37 PM
These stats aren't always the most accurate. They don't account for schemes and all that. Plus, it can't be understated how much he did to improve our rushing attack.
They definately aren't the most accurate out there, but there still isn't an excuse for guys like Faneca and Peters making it to the Pro Bowl based on reputation insead of Kuper and Clady.
keylime_5
05-09-2009, 06:06 PM
...another thing not accounted for is how much a team schemes to help out a player. Ryan Clady for instance got a lot of RB chipping defenders on his side and movement his way since he was a rookie. Some guys don't get any help, they're left out on an island by themselves. I'm not singling out Clady though, just an example. It is typical to give rookies a lot of help, which explains why sometimes a guy has a seemingly great rookie season and then gets set back a little his second year (and usually they bounce back in year 3 or 4).
Prowler
05-09-2009, 06:10 PM
clady was a beast last year. i really don't know how peters made it. he was a disruption in the beginning of the year, then only played in 13 games. he gave up 5.5 more sacks in 2 less games. he has the talent, but definitely needs to refine his game some more. i don't like it when players like that are rewarded for sub-par seasons.
steelers line wasn't great, but atleast they weren't double digit sack stat killers. they were only a couple off the pace...apiece.
faneca wasn't that bad. only 3 false start penalties, zero holding, and with favre sitting back there too long on some of those sacks.
A Perfect Score
05-09-2009, 07:00 PM
I knew my boy Jared "The Big Steal" Gaither would be high on this list, I was upset when he was declared academically inelligible to play at Maryland, but boy did things work out for me, and all Ravens fans. I'd like to personally thank all the GM's who decided NOT to give up anything higher than a 5th round for him, you guys are the best. It's great when you can get one of your favorite players from your favorite college team on your favorite pro team.
I think that while we got a steal, I can understand why alot of teams didnt give up anything higher for Gaither. I think he was fortunate to come into our situation where he could learn from Ogden, and be surrounded by a stable coaching staff and learn from some good character guys like Ray who could help him keep his head on straight. I could see him busting in a negative situation like in Oakland or Cincy, where he wouldnt be handled correctly. I do agree that we got a steal though...5th rounder for what is shaping up to be a Pro Bowl LT is a damn good deal.
BlindSite
05-09-2009, 07:02 PM
6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
12. Travelle Wharton (Panthers) 2.5 sacks allowed (14 starts)
1. Ryan Kalil (Panthers) 0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. Jeff Otah (Panthers) 5.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
I'm pretty happy considering Otah played with an ankle injury much of the year.
PalmerToCJ
05-09-2009, 07:11 PM
Not surprised to see Stacy Andrews so high, his play showed it.
With that said, he wasn't thrilled to have the franchise tag and is better suited for RG.
If the Eagles do move Andrews to RG, that's a very good move. He was a monster there in the run game and I think that's definitely the position he's best suited for.
XxXdragonXxX
05-09-2009, 07:26 PM
I liked what I saw from Ray Willis at RT last season but I didn't think he did as well as that list is showing in pass protections. Good job Willis lol.
Yeah I thought he definately outplayed Locklear. He can play guard as well, I'm hoping he takes Rob Sims place at RG and Unger impresses and takes Wahles spot at LG.
Timbathia
05-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Lets get things a little more evened up why dont we. Cutler had 616 pass attempts compared to Kerry Collins 415. The Broncos o-line starting 5 gave up about 1 more sack total than the Titans in an extra 200 passing attempts. Everyone knew the Broncos were gonna be passing non-stop last year to stay in games, whereas teams playing the Titans generally got to play the run first and were happy to let Collins pass.
Call me a homer, but I say the Broncos o-line have the Titans beat by an awfully long way.
the decider13
05-09-2009, 07:59 PM
...another thing not accounted for is how much a team schemes to help out a player. Ryan Clady for instance got a lot of RB chipping defenders on his side and movement his way since he was a rookie. Some guys don't get any help, they're left out on an island by themselves. I'm not singling out Clady though, just an example. It is typical to give rookies a lot of help, which explains why sometimes a guy has a seemingly great rookie season and then gets set back a little his second year (and usually they bounce back in year 3 or 4).
While this is true most of the time, I really don't see it with Clady. I'm not trying to be a homer, but when a guy has a season of .5 sacks and 3 penalties, I'd say he had a pretty amazing season. I watched a lot of games, and he dominated a lot of good pass rushers 1-1.
Go_Eagles77
05-09-2009, 08:13 PM
Not surprised to see Stacy Andrews so high, his play showed it.
With that said, he wasn't thrilled to have the franchise tag and is better suited for RG.
If the Eagles do move Andrews to RG, that's a very good move. He was a monster there in the run game and I think that's definitely the position he's best suited for.
That's what I'm hoping for. Stacy Andrews was a beast at RG and Shawn Andrews was a beast at RT (albeit in college) so they have nothing to lose in trying it. If that works out and Jason Peters goes back to his 2007 form, we could have one of the best OLs in the league. Todd Herremans at LG is not and will never be an elite player but he is extremely solid in every phase of the OL position, and Jamaal Jackson is solid at C but I would personally rather see Nick Cole win that job because he has pro-bowl ability. We also have excellent depth, most notably at the interior positions, in guys like Max Jean-Gilles, Mike McGlynn, and who ever doesn't win the C job.
GhostDeini
05-09-2009, 08:55 PM
Would Ravens move Gaither to right side and start Oher at left ?
Go_Eagles77
05-09-2009, 08:59 PM
Would Ravens move Gaither to right side and start Oher at left ?
I'm pretty sure they like Gaither at LT and many people projected Oher to the right side anyway. I personally think Oher can play LT but the ravens don't need him to.
GhostDeini
05-09-2009, 09:10 PM
I like Gaither and all ( another steal by Ozzie ) but he plays a little too upright for me, Ogden was 6'9 but played with leverage. He could be best right tackle in the game imo. I think Oher is a little better athlete and bends his knee more. Though they dont really have to do this right now, I could see this happening down the road.
DoughBoy
05-09-2009, 09:11 PM
Lets get things a little more evened up why dont we. Cutler had 616 pass attempts compared to Kerry Collins 415. The Broncos o-line starting 5 gave up about 1 more sack total than the Titans in an extra 200 passing attempts. Everyone knew the Broncos were gonna be passing non-stop last year to stay in games, whereas teams playing the Titans generally got to play the run first and were happy to let Collins pass.
Call me a homer, but I say the Broncos o-line have the Titans beat by an awfully long way.
The Titans are a much better run blocking team.
scottyboy
05-09-2009, 09:16 PM
so really this is just showing that Chris Snee> you and your right guard
vidae
05-09-2009, 10:21 PM
Damn you SackIntosh. Damn you.
Branden Albert is a baller. Two of those sacks were on our backs. I remember one where Jamaal Charles was supposed to help and totally missed his assignment, and I'm sure LJ did his usual "blocking" too!
Vox Populi
05-09-2009, 10:22 PM
The Bills left side of the line really can't get much worse without Peters and Dockery I guess...
Iamcanadian
05-09-2009, 10:44 PM
These stats like a lot of NFL stats are very misleading. Teams that rely on the run a lot will always have lower sack totals than teams which rely the pass. Obviously teams that run the ball a lot won't be asking their OL to pass block nearly as often as teams that rely on the pass. DC will scheme to stop the run against run first teams and will tell their DL to play the run first and the pass second. Teams blocking against these teams won't be put in a position too often when the DL can just tie off on the pass rush and ignore the run. These team's OL will therefore have a far easier time pass blocking than an OL that is on a pass first team. Their OL will often find the DL and LB's rushing the passer and ignoring the run and are bound to give up more sacks as a consequence. Then there is the factor of how mobile your QB is or how quick a release your QB has. These types of QB's make the OL look better than they are and will usually give up far fewer sacks.
So like I said, listing players by how few sacks they gave up hardly is realistically without examining the other factors.
TitanHope
05-09-2009, 11:02 PM
Lets get things a little more evened up why dont we. Cutler had 616 pass attempts compared to Kerry Collins 415. The Broncos o-line starting 5 gave up about 1 more sack total than the Titans in an extra 200 passing attempts. Everyone knew the Broncos were gonna be passing non-stop last year to stay in games, whereas teams playing the Titans generally got to play the run first and were happy to let Collins pass.
Call me a homer, but I say the Broncos o-line have the Titans beat by an awfully long way.
Good stat, but it's 165 pass attempts. Vince Young also saw significant time, about 2 games worth.
If you wish to put things in context, then we can factor in the quality of competition that the Denver OL faced in comparison to the Titans OL, as well as the Denver OL having a better supporting cast around them, aside from RB.
Credit goes to Denver's OL for a tremendous season, but the top sack leaders in the AFC West last season were Shaun Phillips (7.5), Jyles Tucker (5.5), and Kalimba Edwards (5). The AFC South's leaders were Mario Williams (12), Robert Mathis (11.5), and Dwight Freeney (10.5).
Wait until the Denver OL is blocking for Kyle Orton while Shawne Merriman is coming from one side and Phillips/English is coming from the other before saying they're better than the Titans OL which has been elite for two seasons in a row.
Sniper
05-09-2009, 11:02 PM
so really this is just showing that Chris Snee> you and your right guard
http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/news/in-andrews-071113.jpg
O hai!
Hurricanes25
05-09-2009, 11:26 PM
These stats aren't always the most accurate. They don't account for schemes and all that. Plus, it can't be understated how much he did to improve our rushing attack.
I agree with you that Faneca helped our rushing attack but he did nothing for our passing game. Thats all I meant.
wogitalia
05-09-2009, 11:45 PM
Got to say that the Vikings ones seem harsh on the guards. I question if maybe the guards cop the sack when the tackles get beaten badly inside. The amount of times McKinnie and Cook both got beat by hard moves outside countered inside is the only way you could explain the guards having so many. Herrera, Hutch and Birk were the strength of the line in the passing game. No way McKinnie only gave up that many, either that or he got bailed out more than anyone on that list by his backs and QB, he was horrible last year in pass pro.
Timbathia
05-10-2009, 01:27 AM
Good stat, but it's 165 pass attempts. Vince Young also saw significant time, about 2 games worth.
If you wish to put things in context, then we can factor in the quality of competition that the Denver OL faced in comparison to the Titans OL, as well as the Denver OL having a better supporting cast around them, aside from RB.
Credit goes to Denver's OL for a tremendous season, but the top sack leaders in the AFC West last season were Shaun Phillips (7.5), Jyles Tucker (5.5), and Kalimba Edwards (5). The AFC South's leaders were Mario Williams (12), Robert Mathis (11.5), and Dwight Freeney (10.5).
Wait until the Denver OL is blocking for Kyle Orton while Shawne Merriman is coming from one side and Phillips/English is coming from the other before saying they're better than the Titans OL which has been elite for two seasons in a row.
There is no doubt the 3 guys you mentioned are much better pass rushers than anything in the AFC west. The discrepancy is not quite as large as you make out, however, if you look at team sacks, as the raiders and chargers get as many sacks as the colts and jags - they just spread them out more. The texans get more than half their sacks from mario, so as a team they are pretty hopeless at 27th in the nfl. Admittedly the Chiefs couldnt pass rush my mother. Related to this - Mario, Mathis and Freeney got 15 sacks combined playing against the AFC North.
There is no doubt that Daniel Graham is a huge reason as to why Denver gave up so few sacks, as he is the best blocking TE in the NFL IMO. I guess we each have our opinion, but I will happily take Denver's sack total with 170 extra pass attempts while playing from behind most of the season (while I am sure you wouldnt trade your line).
Orton might need a lot of help to run this new offense, but with the Broncos front five, Daniel Graham, and now Quinn and Moreno - he will sure get as good a protection as any QB in the league.
p.s. I think everyone else in the AFC west is hoping that Merriman doesnt come back quite the same as he was.
Timbathia
05-10-2009, 01:34 AM
The Titans are a much better run blocking team.
They certainly get more practice, as they had 120 more run attempts last season. Despite using everyone in Denver as a RB last season, the Broncos averaged half a yard per attempt more than the Titans. Admittedly we had the element of surprise when we did get around to running it though, whereas it was pretty much a given that the Titans would run every play.
bofadabizzles
05-10-2009, 02:30 AM
Davin Joesph should be green, he was an 08 pro-bowler. Kinda surprised by Donald Penn giving up 8.5 sacks, that's rough. Nice find.
jth1331
05-10-2009, 02:15 PM
...another thing not accounted for is how much a team schemes to help out a player. Ryan Clady for instance got a lot of RB chipping defenders on his side and movement his way since he was a rookie. Some guys don't get any help, they're left out on an island by themselves. I'm not singling out Clady though, just an example. It is typical to give rookies a lot of help, which explains why sometimes a guy has a seemingly great rookie season and then gets set back a little his second year (and usually they bounce back in year 3 or 4).
Are you just flingin crap out there? Did you watch the Broncos last year?
Clady had minimal help, he didn't have Dan Graham protecting him on his side, he had his man in check most of the time. He was a freakin beast.
devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
05-10-2009, 02:52 PM
Chicago Bears
3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
7. Josh Beekman (Bears) 1.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Olin Kreutz (Bears) 0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
18. Roberto Garza (Bears) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
NA. Chris Williams (Bears) No stats
New England Patriots
23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
26. Logan Mankins (Pats) 5.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Dan Koppen (Pats) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
12. Stephen Neal (Pats) 2.0 sacks allowed (9 starts)
8. Nick Kaczur (Pats) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
I really looks like the Bears have a solid line to protect Cutler for the near future. Age seems to be ok with Pace at 33, Kruetz at 31, Garza at 30, Beekman at 25, and Williams at 23. As long as Williams back doesn't become an issue and Pace doesn't turn out to be a flop they could potentially be the best line in the NFC North. I think this bodes well for Matt Forte and Jay Cutler. As for the backups I am not really sure what to make of some of the guys such as Kevin Shaffer, Dan Buenning, and Frank Omiyale. I do hope that Lance Louis can stick around as a practice squad guy this year, as I think he can be a nice player given some good developmental time.
For the Patriots, I would sense that the sacks may be a bit higher than usual due to Matt Cassel's inability to get rid of the ball after taking over for Brady early last season. Age here seems like it could be an issue with Neal at 32, Light at 30, Kaczur at 30, Koppen at 29, and Mankins at 27. I think they should be good for another season or two. Quality depth seems to be questionable, but I think what they did in the draft will help greatly in the future. I really like Vollmer's potential, and hopefully he can be ready in a year or two to take over for Matt Light. Ohrnberger hopefully can slide in for Stephen Neal after some time, and maybe Bussey will be a contributor some day.
art vandelay
05-10-2009, 03:35 PM
Here are a few videos profiling Derrick Dockery's awesomeness:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-Dolphins-2008
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-vs-Bills-2008
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-vs-Bills-2008
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...-vs-Bills-2008
eaglesalltheway
05-10-2009, 05:15 PM
Stats are good if people know the overall picture and use it to confirm it, but if fans or anyone doesn't know the overall picture, and use stats as the end all or rely on it more so, then that's where it can be inaccurate.
Yeah personnel variables are there as well. So if DeMarcus Ware is killing QBs with his sacks, instead of rolling into a game with your usual pass protections you may have to slide the protection to where ever he is, and make the other OLB the hot blitzer. So even that is a variable.
I think all stats are good to have, but I would say they are what they are, you have to measure it against the overall picture and then it will tell the complete story.
Of course, you and I are saying the same basic idea. You just need to understand the different variables that occur. Some people do, and some people don't.
the decider13
05-10-2009, 06:06 PM
They certainly get more practice, as they had 120 more run attempts last season. Despite using everyone in Denver as a RB last season, the Broncos averaged half a yard per attempt more than the Titans. Admittedly we had the element of surprise when we did get around to running it though, whereas it was pretty much a given that the Titans would run every play.
Woo hoo...someone else to support me! Make more posts so I'm not the only one defending the greatness that is the Denver Broncos.
It's not like Clady didn't block against elite DEs (Abraham, Seymour, Peppers, Porter). Yes I know Porter is a LB, but he rushes the passer. He not only held is own against good pass rushers, but he dominated his position.
CC.SD
05-10-2009, 06:35 PM
http://assets.philadelphiaeagles.com/assets/news/in-andrews-071113.jpg
O hai!
o hai indeed. Sorry Snee.
jkpigskin
05-10-2009, 08:34 PM
nice post, very interesting some big names at the bottom of the list.
Jared Gaither!!!!
love the guy
Addict
05-11-2009, 03:59 AM
oh lawdy look at those Lions players being the equivalent of revolving doors for DE's....
YAYareaRB
05-13-2009, 08:36 PM
**** I didn't think Joe Staley did that bad lol
Sniper
05-13-2009, 08:38 PM
**** I didn't think Joe Staley did that bad lol
In a stunning, STUNNING, I tell you, coincidence, the NFC East also had three teams in the top 6 in the league in sacks.
bearfan
05-13-2009, 08:46 PM
Josh Beekman is doing nicer than i expected
Yeah no kidding, and he is one of the guys that looks like he'll be replaced. He isnt great in the run game, but if he can protect Cutler then leave him in.
Splat
05-13-2009, 09:34 PM
Great draft for OT's last year.
DeepThreat
05-13-2009, 10:00 PM
Joe Thomas only giving up 4.5 is insane! Here is who he all went up against:
DeMarcus Ware
James Harrison
LaMarr Woodley
Terrell Suggs
Calvin Pace
Mathias Kiwanuka
Terrell Suggs
Ellis Dummerville
Mario Williams
Dwight Freeney
Darren Howard
Trent Cole
James Harrison
LaMarr Woodley
6 had at least 10 sacks, and 9 had at least 8 sacks
That is absolutely unbelievable.
Sniper
05-14-2009, 07:31 AM
LaMarr Woodley
Not really. LaMarr is the LOLB, meaning he gets the RT most of the time.
Sveen
05-14-2009, 01:22 PM
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts
4. Carl Nicks (Saints) 0.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Jahri Evans (Saints) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Considering how many times we throw the ball that's not bad at all :)
Flyboy
05-14-2009, 05:21 PM
Carl Nicks is yummy.
Sniper
05-14-2009, 05:23 PM
Carl Nicks is yummy.
Now, if that OL could just learn to run-block, they'd be in bidness, yo.
wicket
05-14-2009, 05:28 PM
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
4. Carl Nicks (Saints) 0.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Jahri Evans (Saints) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
My saints line apparently played better than I give them credit for. Although it must be said that drew is quite spectacular in getting the ball away just in time and he deserves a lot of the credit as well.I think all the teams in front of the saints line run the ball WAY more than we do.
Flyboy
05-14-2009, 05:29 PM
Now, if that OL could just learn to run-block, they'd be in bidness, yo.
Pfft. You're telling me.
wicket
05-14-2009, 05:30 PM
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts
4. Carl Nicks (Saints) 0.5 sacks allowed (13 starts)
9. Jonathan Goodwin (Saints) 1.0 sacks allowed (13 starts)
12. Jahri Evans (Saints) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
1. Jon Stinchcomb (Saints) 1.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
Considering how many times we throw the ball that's not bad at all :)
damn I didnt read your post (or any other post outside the opening one) but you posted the same thing as I did just a few posts earlier.
Timbathia
05-14-2009, 07:10 PM
My saints line apparently played better than I give them credit for. Although it must be said that drew is quite spectacular in getting the ball away just in time and he deserves a lot of the credit as well.I think all the teams in front of the saints line run the ball WAY more than we do.
Incorrect. The Broncos ran less than the Saints and threw the ball almost as many times as the Saints (only 16 less pass attempts), and gave up less sacks from more total starts.
But dont worry, your guys were certainly okay.
phlysac
05-14-2009, 08:10 PM
**** I didn't think Joe Staley did that bad lol
He only gave up 1/2 a sack in the final 9 games. He struggled initially being his first starts at LT and it didn't help that Martz was his OC and O'Sullivan likes to run around like a chicken with his head cut off. The entire line sans Barry Sims at RT performed greatly once Coach Sing took over.
BamaFalcon59
05-14-2009, 08:19 PM
The Falcons offensive line is so underrated.
BamaFalcon59
05-14-2009, 08:20 PM
Drew Brees evaded about ten John Abraham sacks in one game by getting the ball off so fast.
Their offensive line is nothing special.
eaglesalltheway
05-14-2009, 09:27 PM
Drew Brees evaded about ten John Abraham sacks in one game by getting the ball off so fast.
Their offensive line is nothing special.
Although a lot of credit goes to Brees, they have some nice pieces on that OL. Theres Jamaal Brown, who is a good LT, maybe not elite like some thought, but good. Jahri Evans is one fo the most underrated Linemen in the NFL, IMO, and Carl Nicks came in last year at LG and did a good job when given the opportunity. Brown may not be as young as Evans or Nicks, but those are three promising O-linemen who have plenty of years left in them. As a whole that OL isn't special, I agree, but there is the potential there, and they have some of the pieces.
wicket
05-15-2009, 07:26 AM
Although a lot of credit goes to Brees, they have some nice pieces on that OL. Theres Jamaal Brown, who is a good LT, maybe not elite like some thought, but good. Jahri Evans is one fo the most underrated Linemen in the NFL, IMO, and Carl Nicks came in last year at LG and did a good job when given the opportunity. Brown may not be as young as Evans or Nicks, but those are three promising O-linemen who have plenty of years left in them. As a whole that OL isn't special, I agree, but there is the potential there, and they have some of the pieces.
Nice analysis. I pretty much agree. I'd rate our OLine as Evans> Brown and Nicks> Stinchcomb > Campbell.
I'm pretty sure Brown played injured last season so he can be better.
The staff apparently liked Stichcomb (since he got a nice extension) so center is basicly our only real weakness on the OLine, something I'm happy to settle for/with.,
eaglesalltheway
05-15-2009, 11:44 AM
Nice analysis. I pretty much agree. I'd rate our OLine as Evans> Brown and Nicks> Stinchcomb > Campbell.
I'm pretty sure Brown played injured last season so he can be better.
The staff apparently liked Stichcomb (since he got a nice extension) so center is basicly our only real weakness on the OLine, something I'm happy to settle for/with.,
I pretty much agree with that assessment, I think with another year under his belt, Nicks will obviously get better, and you will have a great set of young Guards (already do, but it will be confirmed league-wide I mean)
I wasn't aware of Brown's injury, but if that is the case, he can easily improve on his performance last year, as he is a very good LT, just, like I said, not elite, like some people were saying 2 or 3 years ago.
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