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Halsey
05-22-2009, 03:05 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4199432


What strikes me about this story is that people who try to tell you that pit bull's aren't unpredictable and sometimes dangerous will have to make a choice: Do they admit that pit bull's are unpredictable and potentially dangerous or do they blame the owner? The good thing is Harrison's son will apparently be ok.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 03:20 PM
What happened to my post???? I was just making a joke. I wasn't being serious

vikes_28
05-22-2009, 03:20 PM
so did mine. to his post,

Or maybe he could just fight it.

Kurve
05-22-2009, 04:43 PM
Why do these people want pit bulls? Does it bring some kinda ganster/thug status like putting 24inch rims on some random car? So you have to ask why do people want pit bulls i will almost always bet its not because they truly want a dog as an companion, its more to do as a status. I tell people if you want a dog get something that isnt that unpredictable and get something like a Lab or Retriever. Many of these breeders breed these dogs to have a very snappy disposition for fighting these traits get passed on from dog to dog so why do people still think these dogs can be good around kids? Yes mayb they can but why chance it around kids. .... James Harrison keeps doing things that make me just wonder sometimes!

Bengalsrocket
05-22-2009, 04:48 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4199432


What strikes me about this story is that people who try to tell you that pit bull's aren't unpredictable and sometimes dangerous will have to make a choice: Do they admit that pit bull's are unpredictable and potentially dangerous or do they blame the owner? The good thing is Harrison's son will apparently be ok.

Pit bull is a loose term. The category can include over a dozen different types of dog breeds. I don't know the specific breed of James Harrison's pit bull, so I can't speak specifically about it.

However, there is no national record for dog bites. only dog bites resulting in a fatality. This skews the number by a lot. Since the majority of dog bits resulting in a fatality are pit bull related, it suggests that they are somehow worse than other dogs. I assure you though that all dogs, including pit bulls, are "unpredictable and dangerous".

Certain dog breeds have higher prey drives than other dogs, I don't have the list in front of me, but can come back and get it later. However, no matter the dog's prey drive, it's possible for dogs even with a high prey drive to never attack anyone; but it largely depends on the owner and not the dog.

This attack has nothing to do with the entire breed of dog, but is probably a case of mistreatment on Harrison's part. in the beginning of the article, it says that the dog bit his son after the mother let it out of it's pen.

BuddyCHRIST
05-22-2009, 04:48 PM
The number of people getting pit bulls seems to be increasing dramatically, especially since the Vick thing. Pit Bulls are a hard breed that require alot of time and training, don't lump all of them as being bad dogs but so many people get them to be cool now, and don't have a clue how to train their dog. Not that any of this really applies to Harrison, because I don't know what happened.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 04:50 PM
lol Yea because the only people who have Pit bulls are "Thugs". Pit bulls are cool looking and they are friendly dogs(when they are not attacking people). I personally like Rottweilers. I don't want one because I want to be a "thug" just because they are cool. I had a English springer spaniel and she got mean and attacked my little sister(7 at the time). All dogs are unpredictable. I guess we should just erase pit bulls from existence.

YAYareaRB
05-22-2009, 04:55 PM
That's why I want a bulldog. They're too lazy to attack people.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 04:57 PM
I have an American Bulldog and she is awesome.

Prowler
05-22-2009, 05:10 PM
pit bulls are 100% fine given the proper environment. that being said....they should never be around 2 year old kids who compete for their owners attention. the kid isn't seen as a dominant figure in the house and the dog was probably trying to put the kid in 'his place' in the pack.

Brent
05-22-2009, 05:13 PM
I'd wager that the number of pit bulls which have harmed a person out of the total population of pit bulls is minuscule.

Rob S
05-22-2009, 05:27 PM
If you buy Pit's from a good breeder they arent any more prone to violence than others breeds. I am betting Harrison's dog was bought as a guard dog and therefore was raised to be aggressive(and also had that in his family lineage).

TitleTown088
05-22-2009, 05:28 PM
I'd wager that the number of pit bulls which have harmed a person out of the total population of pit bulls is minuscule.

I'd still be pretty skeptical to own one. I would choose a number of different breads over a pittbull.

Nalej
05-22-2009, 05:28 PM
That's ridiculous to say that only "thugs" want pitbulls.
I love pitballs for the simple fact that alot of my friends and family have Pits
and every single one of them are friggin great.
Not once have they ever attacked anyone. In fact, they're the complete opposite.
They're just playful as hell. It does depend on how you train them though.
These dogs are so obedient, it's ridiculous. The only reason I dont have a Pit
myself is because they're not allowed on military housing (along with American Bulldog and Akitas)

Ah well- I've heard of all the pitbull attacks but none have come from the various ones through the family and friends.

Bengalsrocket
05-22-2009, 05:41 PM
pit bulls are 100% fine given the proper environment. that being said....they should never be around 2 year old kids who compete for their owners attention. the kid isn't seen as a dominant figure in the house and the dog was probably trying to put the kid in 'his place' in the pack.

No one should ever own a dog bigger than their children as a rule of thumb. Wait till the child gets a little bit older then become a dog a owner. Or give your dog away if you just had a child.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 05:47 PM
No one should ever own a dog bigger than their children as a rule of thumb. Wait till the child gets a little bit older then become a dog a owner. Or give your dog away if you just had a child.

Are you serious? That is one of craziest things I have ever heard. Give your dog away? You must not have dogs or like them. When you have a dog for years and you have a kid you definitely do not get rid of it. People who have dogs treat them like family and to just get rid of your dog would be out of the question.

Bengals78
05-22-2009, 05:54 PM
No one should ever own a dog bigger than their children as a rule of thumb. Wait till the child gets a little bit older then become a dog a owner. Or give your dog away if you just had a child.

I can respect that idea, funny story, my uncle got a dog for his son, the dog grew so fast, the kid is 6 now and can still ride it like a horse. Huge dog.


As for pit bulls, they are a dog who existed for the sole purpose of fighting. Most dogs have an aggressive nature but most are aggressive protectors, pit bulls seem to be overly aggressive attackers (just my opinion). If you want a pit bull, make sure you dont have kids or strangers around.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 05:57 PM
I can respect that idea, funny story, my uncle got a dog for his son, the dog grew so fast, the kid is 6 now and can still ride it like a horse. Huge dog.


As for pit bulls, they are a dog who existed for the sole purpose of fighting. Most dogs have an aggressive nature but most are aggressive protectors, pit bulls seem to be overly aggressive attackers (just my opinion). If you want a pit bull, make sure you dont have kids or strangers around.

See I disagree with this 100%. Pit bulls are very friendly with kids. I have seen plenty of kids playing with pit bulls and they pull on there ears and cheeks and never seen one go after a kid. If you have a happy dog you won't have problems. If you have pit bull and treat it like **** or keep it locked up all the time then yea keep it away from kids and strangers.

Nalej
05-22-2009, 06:03 PM
See I disagree with this 100%. Pit bulls are very friendly with kids. I have seen plenty of kids playing with pit bulls and they pull on there ears and cheeks and never seen one go after a kid. If you have a happy dog you won't have problems. If you have pit bull and treat it like **** or keep it locked up all the time then yea keep it away from kids and strangers.

I agree with that 100%.

Don Vito
05-22-2009, 06:18 PM
See I disagree with this 100%. Pit bulls are very friendly with kids. I have seen plenty of kids playing with pit bulls and they pull on there ears and cheeks and never seen one go after a kid. If you have a happy dog you won't have problems. If you have pit bull and treat it like **** or keep it locked up all the time then yea keep it away from kids and strangers.

Yeah pitbulls are not naturally mean dogs, it all depends on how you train them. My friend has a pitbull and it is one of the nicest dogs, but if you train them to be vicious they can be one if the nastiest type of dogs. A lot of people get pitbulls just because of the notion that they are badass dogs and they raise them to be that way, which results in a lot of the bad stories you hear about pitbulls.

Kurve
05-22-2009, 06:20 PM
Im a firm believer if you have small kids there is no need to have pits im sorry but thats just way it is, I will say that there is many other breeds that shouldnt be around small kids either. I know people are passionate about having certain dogs but certain dogs are more aggressive its not 100% on the trainer there is certain breed traits that get passed on from dog to dog. Such as terrier breeds, you can give them a small stuffed animal and it will shake it around and thats due to it being bred to kill rats.... or german shepards they are very protective that comes from it being bred to protect the live stock. So these traits get passed on no matter how you raise it ...these will show somehow in its personality and its normal. Same goes with pitbulls they are being bred for fighting and aggressiveness, now having that instinct in them to be that way they can be raised in a great family and receive great training can reduce those behaviors but they can regain and become aggressive very easily due to having that programed through their breed. Ive known few Pits that were raised in good homes from small pubs and never having problems and coming around other dogs and snapping even when they have had other dogs around them and didnt do anything. So yes other dogs can share the same behaviors but some dogs do have more of an aggressiveness trait then others, due to the breed. Thats why many people pick certain dog breeds for their characteristics and personality traits and all these get passed on by their breed. Our what if someone raised a Wolf from a pub, he or she gets perfectly trained would you think good training would take all of their natural behavioral traits away?

Let me ask this mainly anyone out there has kids, and you have to let your kid or kids stay over someones house who has 2 pits or 2 poodles? Will you feel just as confident about the pits as you would the poodles with letting your kids stay over there? My personal opinion id feel more uneasy with pits.

Prowler
05-22-2009, 06:21 PM
No one should ever own a dog bigger than their children as a rule of thumb. Wait till the child gets a little bit older then become a dog a owner. Or give your dog away if you just had a child.

i agree more with you on this one. its just not worth the risk. and if you keep your dog then i'd definately have to keep him separated from the dog until the kid is a decent size. plus there are maturity issues with little kids that could lead to bad situations that aren't the dog's fault.

Mr. Hero
05-22-2009, 06:24 PM
Won't Somebody Please Think Of The Children!!!!!

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 06:31 PM
Im a firm believer if you have small kids there is no need to have pits im sorry but thats just way it is, I will say that there is many other breeds that shouldnt be around small kids either. I know people are passionate about having certain dogs but certain dogs are more aggressive its not 100% on the trainer there is certain breed traits that get passed on from dog to dog. Such as terrier breeds, you can give them a small stuffed animal and it will shake it around and thats due to it being bred to kill rats.... or german shepards they are very protective that comes from it being bred to protect the live stock. So these traits get passed on no matter how you raise it ...these will show somehow in its personality and its normal. Same goes with pitbulls they are being bred for fighting and aggressiveness, now having that instinct in them to be that way they can be raised in a great family and receive great training can reduce those behaviors but they can regain and become aggressive very easily due to having that programed through their breed. Ive known few Pits that were raised in good homes from small pubs and never having problems and coming around other dogs and snapping even when they have had other dogs around them and didnt do anything. So yes other dogs can share the same behaviors but some dogs do have more of an aggressiveness trait then others, due to the breed. Thats why many people pick certain dog breeds for their characteristics and personality traits and all these get passed on by their breed. Our what if someone raised a Wolf from a pub, he or she gets perfectly trained would you think good training would take all of their natural behavioral traits away?

Let me ask this mainly anyone out there has kids, and you have to let your kid or kids stay over someones house who has 2 pits or 2 poodles? Will you feel just as confident about the pits as you would the poodles with letting your kids stay over there? My personal opinion id feel more uneasy with pits.

That is the way it is for YOU not for everyone.

If I am letting my kid stay at someones house it will be someone I know and if there pits are good dogs I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. I wouldn't be surprised if poodles bite more people than pits. Do you not put your kid in a car because there MIGHT be an accident??? I mean come on. If you raise the dog right it will be fine.

Kurve
05-22-2009, 06:41 PM
That is the way it is for YOU not for everyone.

If I am letting my kid stay at someones house it will be someone I know and if there pits are good dogs I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. I wouldn't be surprised if poodles bite more people than pits. Do you not put your kid in a car because there MIGHT be an accident??? I mean come on. If you raise the dog right it will be fine.

No your right a poodle can become a biter just as much as a pit but when was the last time you heard a poodle kill or severally hurt a child? I dont want you to think im just saying that about pits there are many other breeds i would feel uneasy to have small kids around such as chow chows, sharpies, german shepherds , rotts id all feel little more uneasy then other breeds. Animal is an animal you can train them as good as possible and you still can never be 100% sure how they will react towards a certain unknown person or dog thats why they are animals.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 06:44 PM
No your right a poodle can become a biter just as much as a pit but when was the last time you heard a poodle kill or severally hurt a child? I dont want you to think im just saying that about pits there are many other breeds i would feel uneasy to have small kids around such as chow chows, sharpies, german shepherds , rotts id all feel little more uneasy then other breeds. Animal is an animal you can train them as good as possible and you still can never be 100% sure how they will react towards a certain unknown person or dog thats why they are animals.

Exactly. If you put your kid in a car it is possible to get into an accident. If you have your kid around your dog something can happen but the chances the dog does anything is slim. Dogs aren't dumb animals. From my personal experience dogs will protect children before they attack them.

Gay Ork Wang
05-22-2009, 06:57 PM
who the hell cares?

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 07:01 PM
who the hell cares?

Why post if you don't care?

Gay Ork Wang
05-22-2009, 07:02 PM
because i have nothing better to do at 2 am in the morning

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-22-2009, 07:03 PM
because i have nothing better to do at 2 am in the morning

2am in the morning!!!!! It is only 8pm here.

Gay Ork Wang
05-22-2009, 07:06 PM
2am in the morning!!!!! It is only 8pm here.
not in germany! but back to the topic.

i mean i think this story is really like useless and it def wont emerge to any suspension or anything, so why bother put it in the NFL thread :/

TitleTown088
05-22-2009, 07:22 PM
because i have nothing better to do at 2 am in the morning

That porn isn't going to watch itself...

Brent
05-22-2009, 09:17 PM
when was the last time you heard a poodle kill or severally hurt a child?
Well, a pit bull was bred to be muscle-bound and a powerful attacker. A poodle is a sporting dog. The genetic disposition between sporting dogs and molossers is extremely different.

wogitalia
05-22-2009, 11:04 PM
Pitbulls are the kind of dog that you want to make sure you get a pure bred, same with Rotties. Pure bred's are generally good dogs with good bloodlines, when you get moungrel you take a big risk because they are "wild" dogs which naturally attack things.

Definitely an owner influenced thing, you can train any dog, some aren't going to be great pets even with training, but most will.

Kurve
05-22-2009, 11:28 PM
Well, a pit bull was bred to be muscle-bound and a powerful attacker. A poodle is a sporting dog. The genetic disposition between sporting dogs and molossers is extremely different.


well thats my point

brat316
05-23-2009, 12:02 AM
Pitbulls are the kind of dog that you want to make sure you get a pure bred, same with Rotties. Pure bred's are generally good dogs with good bloodlines, when you get moungrel you take a big risk because they are "wild" dogs which naturally attack things.

Definitely an owner influenced thing, you can train any dog, some aren't going to be great pets even with training, but most will.

what about a doberman? I always wanted to get one, but are the fighter dogs, or protectors like germans?

the decider13
05-23-2009, 12:21 AM
Pitbulls are the kind of dog that you want to make sure you get a pure bred, same with Rotties. Pure bred's are generally good dogs with good bloodlines, when you get moungrel you take a big risk because they are "wild" dogs which naturally attack things.

Definitely an owner influenced thing, you can train any dog, some aren't going to be great pets even with training, but most will.

I just got a rottie puppy today...don't really care that it isn't on topic lol. He is so small now. I know that will last all of a month. Then he will be a beast. But yeah, with a pure bred, you know what you get as far as personality for the most part. When you get a dog like a pitbull or a cane corso, combined with an owner who doesn't care, you can have some serious problems. I mean, there are a lot of poodles that are total jerks, but they won't hurt you. A pitbull who is a jerk will.

TitanHope
05-23-2009, 12:59 AM
That is the way it is for YOU not for everyone.

If I am letting my kid stay at someones house it will be someone I know and if there pits are good dogs I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. I wouldn't be surprised if poodles bite more people than pits. Do you not put your kid in a car because there MIGHT be an accident??? I mean come on. If you raise the dog right it will be fine.

Perhaps it may be different where you live, but I seldom read "poodle" and "mauled a child's face off" in the same sentence. But then again, I've heard of babies being knocked out of their cribbs by cocker spaniels. The thing is you can't always be certain about what kind of reaction an animal will have to a person they don't know. Most pitbull attacks aren't by house pets, but pitbulls aren't typically used as a family pet. I own a German shephard as my family pet - full blooded and trained as a puppy - and I don't blame the UPS man for not wanting to come into my yard to deliver a package. If my dog were to be introduced or around a young child, I'd probably have it by the collar the entire time if only because of her size in comparison to the child. The kid could easily be knocked over, and when my dog sees someone on the ground, she likes to jump on top of them. Now, she's only playing, but she doesn't know her own strength.

So it's not as much as a would something happen as a could something happen. If you're in control of the situation, then things should be fine.

But, the car accident thing is in no way comparable. It's humans making the decisions, and safety precautions such as car seats and seatbelts are in place.

Smooth Criminal
05-23-2009, 01:13 AM
At least it didn't kill a horse.

The Legend
05-23-2009, 01:28 AM
**** Happens

dunagan15
05-23-2009, 01:39 AM
James Harrison = fail...Get a lab

jsagan77
05-23-2009, 07:11 PM
There are no bad dogs, simply bad owners! My guess is that Harrison is an epic piece of trash and his dog followed suit.

Seriously, I have zero respect for Harrison. First he gets caught punching a guy in the SB (which was seriously under analyzed) and then he disrespects the president. My guess is that he's a dumb thug and owns his dog for sport, not companionship.

The guys a joke and should have been made an example of after those cheap shots but instead he's showered with praise because of his TD. It makes you feel for the guys like Ware who are classy athletes and miss out on major achievements because of overachieving scum like Harrison.

I'm sorry his son and and an innocent bystander were attacked but I wouldn't be surprised if there was more than meets the eye to this.

Way to represent the league Harrison you POS...

//End Rant\\

parrish_lemar24DBSkins
05-23-2009, 08:14 PM
I'm not gonna rip his character or personality, but Harrison is beyond irresponsible and possibly criminally negligent.

I wonder how long it will be before his massage therapist sues him for a seven figure payday.

niel89
05-23-2009, 08:38 PM
Shoot that dog. now.

Addict
05-24-2009, 04:49 AM
this is punishment from God for dissing Obama. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

Gay Ork Wang
05-24-2009, 06:17 AM
this is punishment from God for dissing Obama. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

where is the difference?

Forenci
05-24-2009, 06:18 AM
That is the way it is for YOU not for everyone.

If I am letting my kid stay at someones house it will be someone I know and if there pits are good dogs I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. I wouldn't be surprised if poodles bite more people than pits. Do you not put your kid in a car because there MIGHT be an accident??? I mean come on. If you raise the dog right it will be fine.

Eh, I'm not sure that's 100% true. I mean we've all heard of many stories about how dogs who were raised well that just randomly attack people.

That said, for the most part I would agree, even though I think some dog breeds are instinctively more aggressive and some dogs are 'nicer' than others.

I had a collie when I was really young for like 12 years and they often can be considered a slightly more aggressive (not so in that they'll attack, but they love to bark) but she was an awesome dog. So a lot of it is how you raise a dog, but some of it is just inherent instincts in whether they're naturally aggressive or not.

Prowler
05-24-2009, 03:47 PM
this is punishment from God for dissing Obama. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

i was thinking straight up secret service. they unlocked the cage and let the dog out.

Staubach12
05-24-2009, 05:59 PM
Pit Bulls get a bad rap. Usually the ones who attack people are not treated well at all. I'm not saying anything about Harrison, I'd just like to throw that out there.

As far as this incident goes, I'm glad to hear his son will be okay.

Mr. Stiller
05-24-2009, 07:29 PM
There are no bad dogs, simply bad owners! My guess is that Harrison is an epic piece of trash and his dog followed suit.

Seriously, I have zero respect for Harrison. First he gets caught punching a guy in the SB (which was seriously under analyzed) and then he disrespects the president. My guess is that he's a dumb thug and owns his dog for sport, not companionship.

The guys a joke and should have been made an example of after those cheap shots but instead he's showered with praise because of his TD. It makes you feel for the guys like Ware who are classy athletes and miss out on major achievements because of overachieving scum like Harrison.

I'm sorry his son and and an innocent bystander were attacked but I wouldn't be surprised if there was more than meets the eye to this.

Way to represent the league Harrison you POS...

//End Rant\\


Wow, Classy.

I have a puggle, when it was a pup, it bit my sister (Who's 20 btw).

I guess that makes me classless, right?

Addict
05-25-2009, 04:55 AM
where is the difference?

Barrack does look like his daddy...

Bengalsrocket
05-25-2009, 05:24 AM
Wow, Classy.

I have a puggle, when it was a pup, it bit my sister (Who's 20 btw).

I guess that makes me classless, right?

He didn't call you classless. Nor did he says people who own dogs, that bite, are classless.

He implied that James Harrison was classless. He brought several points to the argument (The SB cheap shots and the white house refusal as well as the dog bite), all culminating in James Harrison being classless.

So Mr. Stiller, will you be creating anymore Straw men this week?

jsagan77
05-25-2009, 09:27 AM
Wow, Classy.

I have a puggle, when it was a pup, it bit my sister (Who's 20 btw).

I guess that makes me classless, right?

Spare me your bull. Puppies nip all the time for a lot of reasons. When they start teething, to play, to gain their niche in the "pack", if they feel like they are cornered, etc. No one cares about that and if this was a puppy it wouldn't be a big deal but this is a full grown dog and a breed that has the reputation of attacking people when TRAINED to do so.

Full grown dogs don't attack unless someone has taught them to or they have been provoked to no end. My kid can do anything he wants to my Lab and the Lab would never even think about biting him or anyone else but when he was a puppy he would nip him all the time... Heck he would nip me when he would give me kisses... It's puppy nature to bite and nip... The same goes for my friends Pit Bull. He plays with it constantly and I don't worry at all because they took the time to train it properly.

Sure some dogs snap but after the crap Harrison has pulled over the past 6 months, do you think he's a high character individual that would take the time to train a dog as a companion?

Prowler
05-25-2009, 11:36 AM
Wow, Classy.

I have a puggle, when it was a pup, it bit my sister (Who's 20 btw).

I guess that makes me classless, right?

do you have a pic of your sister?

edit-just mentioning that i mean no disrespect at all, its just that you mentioned a 20 year old female.

LonghornsLegend
05-25-2009, 11:59 AM
Majority of people that own pit bulls train them aggressively, is it a surprise that most of those pitt bulls that Vick had at his house are laying around a shelter on their back getting their stomach rubbed on and playing with people now?


I've owned multiple pit bulls, has nothing to do with Thugs, everyone has a preference in dogs, but I know it's all on how you bring up your dogs...I had a Lab before that was ******* crazy, he didn't like strangers, wouldn't listen for ****, I had to hold him by his collar when guest came over or he would of gone crazy.


The Pit that I had always wanted to lick guest, tail wagging, too friendly when people came over, but that's because I had him since he was a puppy and spoiled him to death...If you buy a pit and chain him up with 5 inches of chain in a cellar, and just throw him food a few times a day don't be surprised if when he gets lose he tries to kill someone, some people want their Pits amped up to protect their house or w/e.


People assuming you have to be a thug to want or own one are just ignorant there's nothing more to it...It's very unfortunate what happened with Harrison's son but we don't know how he raised his pit bulls, but I've had several, and been around several growing up, more then ten in my lifetime it's just that me and my friends don't train our dogs to be Gladiators and they are some of the friendliest dogs ever.

Mr. Stiller
05-26-2009, 12:53 PM
He didn't call you classless. Nor did he says people who own dogs, that bite, are classless.

He implied that James Harrison was classless. He brought several points to the argument (The SB cheap shots and the white house refusal as well as the dog bite), all culminating in James Harrison being classless.

So Mr. Stiller, will you be creating anymore Straw men this week?

Lets see here.

*James Harrison is afraid to fly, which was his reasoning for not going. Though it's not a far drive.

*Why wasn't this a big deal in 2005 when he didn't go?

How about this?

Inside, a man with the real answers, approached a table full of reporters and began asking questions.

"Do you know why James didn't go the last time?" asked the man who requested anonymity. "Do you know why he doesn't go on vacations? Do you know why he doesn't go down to Orlando to workout with the rest of the guys? Do you know why he won't get on a plane unless he has to go play a football game? Do you know why?"

By then the reporters had a pretty good idea.

"He's deathly afraid of flying," the man answered. "That's the real scoop. Go try to find out the last time he got in a plane when he didn't have to."

A teammate of Harrison's lent support to the theory. "When he went over to Europe, he freaked out," the teammate said. "He said he's never going back. Something about flying over water really spooks him."

Harrison has spent the last several days being skewered by the media. "Devil worshipper" would've been the kindest label put on him by some reporters, but obviously it's far from the truth. Ask any of the 1,600 fans who turned out Sunday for the Steelers' basketball game at nearby Hempfield High School to benefit 6-year-old Fallyn McNamara.

Harrison not only showed his soft side for the child during a playful photo set, but during the game he took on the role of Meadowlark Lemon, the old Globetrotter clown prince. To top off the afternoon, Harrison interrupted a dying auction of a photo of the 6 Lombardi Trophies and caused a roaring crowd to add another $500 in bids. At one point, Harrison jumped the bid $325 by offering his own bid of $2,000. The item eventually sold for $2,150, thanks to Harrison. It's a side he doesn't like to let many reporters see.

When the story was relayed to the Steelers source in the cafeteria, he said, "James just likes to play at being crazy."

So classless.


Was he over the top in the superbowl? Yeah, I agreed with that.
Was he an idiot for slapping his girlfriend? Yeah, I agreed with that.

but god, this thread makes him sound like Pacman Jones or Mike Vick for owning a dog.

Or the multiple posts of him wanting to be a thug by having a pitbull. Seriously?

The media paints him bad too because he doesn't care to talk to them anyways.

Mr. Stiller
05-26-2009, 01:02 PM
do you have a pic of your sister?

edit-just mentioning that i mean no disrespect at all, its just that you mentioned a 20 year old female.

she has a bun in the oven.

FlyingElvis
05-26-2009, 01:44 PM
Oh how easily the misinformation flows . . .

Pits are great dogs. 10+ years at an emergency vet and I've seen one aggressive pit. Just about every chihuahua, min-pin or cocker spaniel will try to bite but I don't hear people being babies about how bad they are as a breed.

Chances are it's because most people are too ignorant to look farther than the local news blurb before formulating their "own" opinion. But I digress.

The 2 pits I currently own and the 2 I've put down over the last few years are/were super friendly. You may get licked to death if you're not careful, but other than that they pose no threat. When bred and raised properly the result is the aforementioned licking machine that wouldn't hurt any animal, human or otherwise.

Every dog can bite. Breed is irrelevant. The are 2 reasons that drive the misinformation about Pits:

1. They have a large jaw with massive power controlling it. When they bite they make a great big mess. Your small mandibled terrier can't do that. Trust me, if a chihuahua could cause any damage you'd hear about them biting people all the time.

2. Pits are used by douchenozzles for their own sick "entertainment" which leads to very aggessive dogs being bred for more douchnozzle owners.


*****

I'm on Harrison's side until information comes out that shows a different story. From the initial linked article it sounds like a well behaved, well cared for animal that was involved in a mishap. It happens.

jsagan77
05-26-2009, 10:20 PM
You must have missed the quote when Harrison said that he wasn't going because Obama would have invited any team that won the SB and that he should invite him when they didn't win the SB....

And if he's afraid to fly how does he get to away games?

Lets see here.

*James Harrison is afraid to fly, which was his reasoning for not going. Though it's not a far drive.

*Why wasn't this a big deal in 2005 when he didn't go?

How about this?



So classless.


Was he over the top in the superbowl? Yeah, I agreed with that.
Was he an idiot for slapping his girlfriend? Yeah, I agreed with that.

but god, this thread makes him sound like Pacman Jones or Mike Vick for owning a dog.

Or the multiple posts of him wanting to be a thug by having a pitbull. Seriously?

The media paints him bad too because he doesn't care to talk to them anyways.

Mr. Stiller
05-27-2009, 11:24 PM
You must have missed the quote when Harrison said that he wasn't going because Obama would have invited any team that won the SB and that he should invite him when they didn't win the SB....

And if he's afraid to fly how does he get to away games?

Here, I'll requote it for those that didn't read it the first time.

Inside, a man with the real answers, approached a table full of reporters and began asking questions.

"Do you know why James didn't go the last time?" asked the man who requested anonymity. "Do you know why he doesn't go on vacations? Do you know why he doesn't go down to Orlando to workout with the rest of the guys? Do you know why he won't get on a plane unless he has to go play a football game? Do you know why?"

By then the reporters had a pretty good idea.

"He's deathly afraid of flying," the man answered. "That's the real scoop. Go try to find out the last time he got in a plane when he didn't have to."

A teammate of Harrison's lent support to the theory. "When he went over to Europe, he freaked out," the teammate said. "He said he's never going back. Something about flying over water really spooks him."

There we go... I even made it REALLY BIG and Bold'n'everythin'!

trkaline
05-28-2009, 02:40 AM
she has a bun in the oven.

Soooooooooooooo.

Mr. Stiller
05-28-2009, 03:01 AM
Soooooooooooooo.

Hey if thats your thing... There's plenty of pregnant lady porn on the internet...err... or so I hear.

TimD
05-28-2009, 04:12 AM
Here, I'll requote it for those that didn't read it the first time.



There we go... I even made it REALLY BIG and Bold'n'everythin'!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aQaaAh7ZTdWq/610x.jpg

let's see if he's DEATHLY afraid of flying over water then why would he go to an unnecessary pro bowl game. I mean i'd say visiting the President (not over water) is much more important than a joke of an all star game (over the pacific). not much truth or reason to that argument Mr. Stiller.

Addict
05-28-2009, 05:47 AM
Hey if thats your thing... There's plenty of pregnant lady porn on the internet...err... or so I hear.

kidding right?

trkaline
05-28-2009, 10:18 AM
Hey if thats your thing... There's plenty of pregnant lady porn on the internet...err... or so I hear.

Thats not really my thing, but the fact that its your sister added the intrigue behind it....

whatadai
05-28-2009, 10:24 AM
is it a surprise that most of those pitt bulls that Vick had at his house are laying around a shelter on their back getting their stomach rubbed on and playing with people now?

I'm pretty sure those dogs got put down. They're trained to kill so I don't think they'll let anyone have them. And even if they do, I bet whoever adopted them is dead by now.

Manic Depressant
05-28-2009, 10:29 AM
I'm pretty sure those dogs got put down. They're trained to kill so I don't think they'll let anyone have them. And even if they do, I bet whoever adopted them is dead by now.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZxuGGA5IGG0/SW6s3N9Fr4I/AAAAAAAAF7w/wlHTkhAVjNM/s400/si.cover.dec29.2008.jpg

whatadai
05-28-2009, 10:42 AM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZxuGGA5IGG0/SW6s3N9Fr4I/AAAAAAAAF7w/wlHTkhAVjNM/s400/si.cover.dec29.2008.jpg

I looked the article up...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/index.html

Thanks. Didn't think they would keep them alive.

TimD
05-28-2009, 10:44 AM
I looked the article up...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/magazine/12/22/vick.dogs/index.html

Thanks. Didn't think they would keep them alive.

PETA wanted Jasmine dead. Not just Jasmine, and not just PETA. The Humane Society of the U.S., agreeing with PETA, took the position that Michael Vick's pit bulls, like all dogs saved from fight rings, were beyond rehabilitation and that trying to save them was a misappropriation of time and money. "The cruelty they've suffered is such that they can't lead what anyone who loves dogs would consider a normal life," says PETA spokesman Dan Shannon. "We feel it's better that they have their suffering ended once and for all." If you're a dog and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals suggests you be put down, you've got problems. Jasmine has problems.

Stupid PETA....

whatadai
05-28-2009, 10:45 AM
Stupid PETA....

I don't get how that dog is only 35 lbs...it's obviously an adult now and it can't breed or fight at 35 lbs...can it?

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
05-28-2009, 10:49 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aQaaAh7ZTdWq/610x.jpg

let's see if he's DEATHLY afraid of flying over water then why would he go to an unnecessary pro bowl game. I mean i'd say visiting the President (not over water) is much more important than a joke of an all star game (over the pacific). not much truth or reason to that argument Mr. Stiller.

If you had a chance to go to the Pro-bowl or meet the president you would meet the president? Screw that.

TimD
05-28-2009, 11:00 AM
If you had a chance to go to the Pro-bowl or meet the president you would meet the president? Screw that.

yeah I would meet the President. Wait are you being sarcastic? I think that's a no-brainer

trkaline
05-28-2009, 11:14 AM
Yeah I'd rather go to the pro-bowl as well, meeting the president isn't really high on my to-do list.

Gay Ork Wang
05-28-2009, 11:15 AM
i mean, its a different pro bowl every year, the president stays for at least 4 (is it 5 in the us?)

trkaline
05-28-2009, 11:21 AM
i mean, its a different pro bowl every year, the president stays for at least 4 (is it 5 in the us?)

4 and 8 if re-elected so I'd catch him on the second go round if he makes it if not he wasn't worth meeting anyway...

tjsunstein
05-28-2009, 11:31 AM
Zippy is proof that pit bulls have an image problem. In truth these dogs are among the most people-friendly on the planet. It has to be. In an organized dogfight three or four people are in the ring, and the dogs are often pulled apart to rest before resuming combat. (The fight usually ends when one of the dogs refuses to reengage.) When separating two angry, adrenaline-filled animals, the handlers have to be sure the dogs won't turn on them, so over the years dogfighters have either killed or not bred dogs that showed signs of aggression toward humans. "Of all dogs," says Dr. Frank McMillan, the director of well-being studies at Best Friends Animal Society, a 33,000-acre sanctuary in southern Utah, "pit bulls possess the single greatest ability to bond with people."



Just saying. It had to be the way the dog was raised. I doubt Harrison had time to raise it personally being an NFL super star. I wouldn't put all the blame on him.

Mr. Stiller
05-29-2009, 03:00 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aQaaAh7ZTdWq/610x.jpg

let's see if he's DEATHLY afraid of flying over water then why would he go to an unnecessary pro bowl game. I mean i'd say visiting the President (not over water) is much more important than a joke of an all star game (over the pacific). not much truth or reason to that argument Mr. Stiller.

Do I have to requote and Bold?


"He's deathly afraid of flying," the man answered. "That's the real scoop. Go try to find out the last time he got in a plane when he didn't have to."

It was a big game, and he went.

And again.

Why wasn't this a big deal in 2005?

HEISMANHERSCHEL
05-29-2009, 04:11 AM
The chances of a child being killed by a dog are dwarfed by:

lightning
car acccident
drowning
guns
over eating


and...

family.

There is, statistically, no comparison.

Dogs kill about 22 people per year. This is not a large enough number to contemplate.

Parents kill more children than dogs. In every state in the United States, parents kill their own children at a much higher rate than the family dog. Statistically, there is nothing to argue about.


Dont blame a dog for anything. Dogs are not ruling the earth. People are.

jsagan77
05-30-2009, 10:43 PM
What is this guy Mr. T or something? Seriously, I don't care how big you make the font that story is someone trying to cover Harrison's butt! He can drive a freaking car to DC from Pitt in what 7 or 8 hrs? He can drive to Orlando to workout as well, look at Madden...

Here, I'll requote it for those that didn't read it the first time.



There we go... I even made it REALLY BIG and Bold'n'everythin'!

Mr. Stiller
06-01-2009, 10:37 AM
What is this guy Mr. T or something? Seriously, I don't care how big you make the font that story is someone trying to cover Harrison's butt! He can drive a freaking car to DC from Pitt in what 7 or 8 hrs? He can drive to Orlando to workout as well, look at Madden...

Or,

He could feel that getting prepared for the season is more important than meeting someone at a media/political event which, he cares less about.

And he prefers to work out at the team location.

There's that too.

Anyone stop to think that Harrison hates the media and politics and frankly just doesn't care?

Because I know he hates the media.

And again, why wasn't this a big deal in 05 when he stayed in Pitt to work out and not go meet Dubya?

And again... Who cares if he goes to Meet the President?

TimD
06-01-2009, 10:52 AM
It was a big game, and he went.

And again.

Why wasn't this a big deal in 2005?

all i'm saying is your ******** plane excuse doesn't work. he didn't HAVE to go to the pro-bowl. it is not a mandatory game. if he hates flying that much, like you said he does, then he wouldn't have gone. a couple hours to DC or a long flight over the pacific to Hawaii. your logic is flawed.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
06-01-2009, 11:25 AM
Some people could care less about meeting the President. I would rather go to a pre-season game than meet Obama. I mean I have nothing against him(I voted for him) but I just don't see what would be so special. Pro bowl or President? I am going to the Pro bowl

scar988
06-01-2009, 11:54 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4199432


What strikes me about this story is that people who try to tell you that pit bull's aren't unpredictable and sometimes dangerous will have to make a choice: Do they admit that pit bull's are unpredictable and potentially dangerous or do they blame the owner? The good thing is Harrison's son will apparently be ok.
um, dude, Pitt Bulls are some of the nicest dogs out there.

FlyingElvis
06-01-2009, 12:56 PM
all i'm saying is your ******** plane excuse doesn't work. he didn't HAVE to go to the pro-bowl. it is not a mandatory game. if he hates flying that much, like you said he does, then he wouldn't have gone. a couple hours to DC or a long flight over the pacific to Hawaii. your logic is flawed.

Hmmm . . . flawed logic, you say?


He gets on a plane for football games. Pro-bowl = football game. Perhaps the logic is that simple. Harrison considers games, be it regular season, post season, or the pro-bowl, as important enough to fly. Or it maybe it's b/c Hawaii is awesome and DC is not.

The quote does say, specifically, "football games" ----> "Do you know why he won't get on a plane unless he has to go play a football game? Do you know why?"

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
06-01-2009, 02:29 PM
Yea and even though he doesn't have to go to the Pro bowl he probably wanted to go to the Pro bowl. Hawaii>DC

Mr. Stiller
06-02-2009, 01:25 PM
Hmmm . . . flawed logic, you say?


He gets on a plane for football games. Pro-bowl = football game. Perhaps the logic is that simple. Harrison considers games, be it regular season, post season, or the pro-bowl, as important enough to fly. Or it maybe it's b/c Hawaii is awesome and DC is not.

The quote does say, specifically, "football games" ----> "Do you know why he won't get on a plane unless he has to go play a football game? Do you know why?"

Thanks, I honestly thought I had to bold and make that large...again.

And after the entire argument TimDris gave me negative rep for Playing Wow. This is classic.

nepg
06-03-2009, 07:41 AM
It has nothing to do with whether he went to Hawaii or didn't go to Washington... It's about the way he handled it. If he just said "I don't like flying...I only do it for work if I absolutely have to." no one would have a problem with that. The Pro Bowl is work. They get paid a nice chunk of change to go to Hawaii.

I wouldn't have gone to Washington either. I don't care to meet the President (doesn't really do anything for me), and I hate the tradition of sports teams going to the White House. It's a waste of time for the supposed leader of a nation to sit there and congratulate every single sports team that wins a few games. But Harrison handled his opinion the wrong way.

As for the dog, it was probably raised to be a "bad ass" and wasn't socialized properly (especially not with kids). That's what happens. Has nothing to do with breed, just ass hole owners. It's going to take a bit of work to fix the dog's behavior, and even more work to suppress the girl's newfound fear of dogs.

Halsey
06-04-2009, 07:38 AM
um, dude, Pitt Bulls are some of the nicest dogs out there.

"Nicest"? Seriously? I don't rank dogs by 'niceness'. I just know that Pitt Bulls can be unpredictable and dangerous. When the rare Yorkshire Terrier attack happens, someone gets a bloody ankle. When the rare Pit Bull Terrier attack happens someone goes to the hospital or ends up dead. Too often it's children. Many people who own Pitt Bulls have no business owning one. Pitt Bulls shouldn't be available to just any john or suzy who wants one for much the same reason a dangerous wild animal shouldn't be available to any person that wants to own one.

FlyingElvis
06-04-2009, 12:18 PM
"Nicest"? Seriously? I don't rank dogs by 'niceness'. I just know that Pitt Bulls can be unpredictable and dangerous. When the rare Yorkshire Terrier attack happens, someone gets a bloody ankle. When the rare Pit Bull Terrier attack happens someone goes to the hospital or ends up dead. Too often it's children. Many people who own Pitt Bulls have no business owning one. Pitt Bulls shouldn't be available to just any john or suzy who wants one for much the same reason a dangerous wild animal shouldn't be available to any person that wants to own one.

Actually, like chihuahuas, yorkies bite pretty often. By percentage, far more yorkies, pomeranians, chihuahuas and min-pins require a muzzle than pits. You're right that Pit Bulls can be unpredictable and dangerous. However, if you truly believe that other breeds are less unpredictable and dangerous, you don't know what you're talking about.

TimD
06-04-2009, 12:26 PM
Lets see here.

*James Harrison is afraid to fly, which was his reasoning for not going. Though it's not a far drive.

This is what I have a problem with. His reasoning for not going was the fact that he would need to fly. That means if he didn't have to fly he would have otherwise gone. I think that is a BS excuse. If he said (like many of you already have) that he did not want to meet Obama then I would have no problem with him. The thing is he used a BS excuse.

yourfavestoner
06-04-2009, 01:45 PM
This is what I have a problem with. His reasoning for not going was the fact that he would need to fly. That means if he didn't have to fly he would have otherwise gone. I think that is a BS excuse. If he said (like many of you already have) that he did not want to meet Obama then I would have no problem with him. The thing is he used a BS excuse.

Do the rest of us have to live by your set of standards and morals or is it just professional athletes?

TimD
06-04-2009, 02:10 PM
Do the rest of us have to live by your set of standards and morals or is it just professional athletes?

not at all. but Mr. Stiller bashed me for criticizing Harrison's decision and I was just saying why I didn't agree with his decision. I just stated my standards and morals. I didn't ask anyone to live by them.

elway=goat
06-05-2009, 05:27 AM
I am a dog lover. My parents bred Chows growing up, I now breed champ Boxers, here in Phoenix. Like Chows which are mean and unpredictable, I would never own a Pit, and I would never want my kids alone or supervised around a Pit...

My mom was attacked walking me and my brothers down the street, by a loose Pit, the only thing that saved her from getting ripped to shreds, as she kept a stroller between her and the dog(her friend took us and ran like hell) was a stray cockspaniel that happened to get loose. The pit saw her, and bolted for the smaller dog and persued to death grip the neck and kill it, while the ladies sons beat on the dog to get it off, with tools, hammers, etc.

So you might say, well...Bad area the dog wasn't taken care of, fine. We move to north west phoenix, nice area. My dad is working on the air conditioning, my brother is on the fence. He is ripped down by his ankle, and was attacked by our neighbors pit. He needed 41 stitches in his leg and back from the attack. It attacked my best friend's brother(they lived on the other side of us) when it ended up getting loose because one of the kids left the door open. It bit corbin in the hand.

The dog was a family dog, known Brett for years, never showed a sign of aggression. Raised with kids, blah blah Decides to rip him off the fence and tear into him for no reason. I have had too many bad experiences with Pits. have seen them to too many bad things to people, and they always seem like there is a screw loose somewhere. Even champs, I look at and just say something is off.

There are plenty of other dogs that have a similar build, that are good guard dogs, that you really never have to wonder, is this dog going to kill my kid? Attack somebody for no reason unprovoked out of nowhere? I find it rediculouse that these pit apologist give the excuse, well they are in a bad situation, or were not trained properly...REALY??!!REALLY?!!?

Why is it that I have to train a dog, not to attack and maul people or other animals to death? That does not seem like the type of dog or animal I would ever want. I just do not understand it. Seems like you are taking a huge gamble to me.

trkaline
06-05-2009, 05:42 AM
I got attacked by a pit when I was about 7 and I hold no ill will against the breed. DOGs do attack people sometimes and to tell people they can't own that kind of dog or this kind of dog is just stupid. If they take away pits next BREAKING NEWS!!! Will be about Rott attacks...then when they go it will be Boxer attacks until it works its way down to Chihuahua attacks then we wont be able to own dogs at all...Then next BREAKING NEWS!!! Will be about Goldfish attacks, The News will take any opening they can to scare the living **** out of you.

elway=goat
06-05-2009, 06:00 AM
I got attacked by a pit when I was about 7 and I hold no ill will against the breed. DOGs do attack people sometimes and to tell people they can't own that kind of dog or this kind of dog is just stupid. If they take away pits next BREAKING NEWS!!! Will be about Rott attacks...then when they go it will be Boxer attacks until it works its way down to Chihuahua attacks then we wont be able to own dogs at all...Then next BREAKING NEWS!!! Will be about Goldfish attacks, The News will take any opening they can to scare the living **** out of you.

Other dogs have the rep, because they are big and typically seen as aggressive, because they have a large head or muscular body. I have never seen one of my dogs act out of aggression nor any other Boxer for that matter. Chows bite more people in Arizona than any other dogs. A chow just recently killed a couples new born. That is the only dog I can remember that has killed someone in recent years, besides a Pit. Its not even about bitting its the potential of the bite+the death. I have never heard of a boxer mauling someone to death. I have heard of a Rott doing it once when I was younger(they have a bad rep because they are big, and are another dog hoodlums like, but they do not attack and kill people nearly as much as pits, its not close actually) that I remember.

My uncle who lives in Cincy says Ohio has banned them. I wouldn't be opposed to Arizona doing it. Im moving to Denver soon, I wouldn't be opposed to them doing it either.

trkaline
06-05-2009, 06:04 AM
I just think condemning and species to non-existence is wrong, yes they have the potential to kill and have but it's all about control, If your drunk and lose control of you vehicle and kill a family of four you do not blame the vehicle.

elway=goat
06-05-2009, 06:12 AM
I just think condemning and species to non-existence is wrong, yes they have the potential to kill and have but it's all about control, If your drunk and lose control of you vehicle and kill a family of four you do not blame the vehicle.

The difference is, the vehicle does not take on the mind of its own, and decide to randomly crash into other peoples cars, or people walking down the street. You are implying that the owner is in complete control of the dog. Like the dog does not have a mind of its own. Wrong...

Come find me when a Chihuahua, Boxer, Goldfish do this to people:

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/jadyn-1-attack.gif

http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/5-year-old-attack.gif

http://www.atv.ca/images/shows-london-wingham-windsor/DOG1211_PICTURE.jpg

http://images.morris.com/images/lubbock/mdControlled/cms/2008/02/02/242962242.jpg

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/attachments/off-topic/9145d1213802921-pit-bull-attacks-my-little-chuihuahua-vet4.jpg

http://www.acc-tv.com/images/wjla/news/vidcap_pitbullattack0522.jpg

Very graphic
http://pit-bull-awareness-center.christianfunfair.org/pitbulls_attack_50_yr_old_thief2.gif

http://media.komonews.com/images/080221_pit_bull_attack.jpg

http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/uploaded_images/clarence-webber-pit-bull-attack.jpg

trkaline
06-05-2009, 06:17 AM
Once again it does happen but not all of them do it, perhaps we should start regulating different races that are more prone to violence than others as well rather than doing it on a case by case basis.

elway=goat
06-05-2009, 06:19 AM
Im not saying exterminate an entire speices. Im saying, I would not be opposed to making them illegal to buy or sell. There is a reason why states ban these dogs, or other animals. Because they can potentially be dangerous. The last I checked, I do not remember states banning boxers or rotties I could be wrong, but I know for a fact states have banned pits. Not because there is some anti pitbull bius. Its because they are potentially lethal killing machines.

trkaline
06-05-2009, 06:23 AM
What about licensing them so there just not given to any smuck who wants one, with background checks, home visits and the like would you be apposed to that?

elway=goat
06-05-2009, 06:28 AM
Once again it does happen but not all of them do it, perhaps we should start regulating different races that are more prone to violence than others as well rather than doing it on a case by case basis.

But again, you are comparing the dog to things that are completely different. Cars, now people. Completely different situations. Dogs are not cars, nor people. Pits are an animal, a potentially dangerous unpredictable animal at that.

A dog owner does not have complete control over the dog, period. You might train the dog, you might raise the dog around other people or kids. You might put that dog in line and let him know you are the leader of the pack, that does not mean that dog would not attack a child(lower down in the pack) or a stranger someone who comes over whatever(an outsider).

To me, they should be illegal to sell or buy. If states are doing the same with say large snakes, because they can potentially harm someone. I do not see why they do not do it with this specific dog breed. Its not exterminating them, its making them unavailable to the public.

elway=goat
06-05-2009, 06:32 AM
What about licensing them so there just not given to any smuck who wants one, with background checks, home visits and the like would you be apposed to that?

I would actually like to see them do that with all dogs to be honest. I have the people come to my house, and do not ever sell a puppy right away. I will usually go to there house and see the enviroment the dog will be living in. Boxers can be used for fighting, although they are alittle too tall, they have the big head and lock jaw, so they have potential. Its a problem here in phoenix, especially the southside.

I would actually perfer to see them do something like that. However, that would be using too much tax payer money, and I think the way they have banned other animals either being illegal to have them or buy/sell I think if they did decide to ban pit across the country it would be a buy/sell type deal. Too many people have them and no way would they "make" people exterminate there dogs.

trkaline
06-05-2009, 06:34 AM
So what happens to them if there banned?

FlyingElvis
06-05-2009, 09:23 AM
I would be all for legislation - but aim it in the right direction. Let's get our fearless leaders to just pass legislation that eliminates stupidity. Problem solved. :rolleyes:



It's a ridiculous argument. Anything people can't be responsible and accountable enough to handle should be solved via legislation. Priceless. 'Cuz they're doing wonders for us in Washington and [insert your municipality here] right now.

Halsey
06-05-2009, 01:44 PM
The answer is pretty simple really. Felons and people who've owned dogs that attacked people in the past shouldn't be allowed to own Pitt Bulls. Basically you elimate a lot of people who have no business owning. I personally have no problem with intelligent, responsible people owning one.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
06-05-2009, 01:56 PM
KILL ALL PITBULLS!!!!! We should just kill them all so we can stop complaining about them and start complaining about the next dog that takes the place of the killer dog.

trkaline
06-05-2009, 10:50 PM
KILL ALL PITBULLS!!!!! We should just kill them all so we can stop complaining about them and start complaining about the next dog that takes the place of the killer dog.

My point exactly..and watch out for KILLER GUINIA PIGS!!! We'll get to them by 2012.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
06-05-2009, 11:14 PM
My point exactly..and watch out for KILLER GUINIA PIGS!!! We'll get to them by 2012.

It is just funny how it is kill the pitbulls but people do not realize that after pits are gone there will be another dog that hurts/kills people.

the decider13
06-06-2009, 12:16 AM
Way more intimidating than a pitbull...

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Halsey
06-06-2009, 12:18 AM
I'm not going to bother arguing with people who have to twist arguments. Nobody is saying kill all Pit Bulls. People who have to twist your argument are not, and never will be, reasonable enough to have a serious argument with. I just looked up stats on fatal dogs bites. Pitt Bulls are #1.....and it's not even close. Rottweilers appear to be a distant 2nd and well behind them come numerous other breeds. Pitt Bull and Rottweiler ownership should require some kind of simple licensing or something that reduces the number of morons allowed to own them. Morons and those kinds of dogs are bad mixes.

Saints-Tigers
06-06-2009, 12:26 AM
It's funny, because every pit bull bite I've PERSONALLY seen were from well trained and trusted, house dogs.

But of course it's always on the breeder, they can't possibly just be a breed that randomly snaps. Doesn't matter if they are nice 99.99999% of the time, all dogs have their moments, the ones that can tear your throat out are teh bad ones...

Mr. Stiller
06-06-2009, 11:30 PM
I'm not going to bother arguing with people who have to twist arguments. Nobody is saying kill all Pit Bulls. People who have to twist your argument are not, and never will be, reasonable enough to have a serious argument with. I just looked up stats on fatal dogs bites. Pitt Bulls are #1.....and it's not even close. Rottweilers appear to be a distant 2nd and well behind them come numerous other breeds. Pitt Bull and Rottweiler ownership should require some kind of simple licensing or something that reduces the number of morons allowed to own them. Morons and those kinds of dogs are bad mixes.

Pit bulls are also the main breed that are raised for fighting.


What about German Shepards? Those are the trained police animal last I checked and when told they can attack violently as well. Any dog is capable of violence. Pit bulls just have a predisposition based on the whole subculture of dog fighting.

How do you put this in a hypothetical.


Here we go, this isn't perfect but not bad for all the effort I anted to put into it.


Say you have a gang. They're raised that their territory is their territory. And that if killing of giving your life is what it takes you do it.

Now do you condemn said person for their upbringing, or do you look at the whole situation?

Do you make a generalized statement, or do you do the full analysis and realize that hey, yeah they made the choice, but they weren't given much opportunity?


As for Harrison.... Maybe it was a BS excuse, or maybe he believed what he said.

My point was simple.. Yeah he sounded ******** saying it, but whats the big f'n whoop?

Bengalsrocket
06-07-2009, 12:27 PM
But again, you are comparing the dog to things that are completely different. Cars, now people. Completely different situations. Dogs are not cars, nor people. Pits are an animal, a potentially dangerous unpredictable animal at that.

A dog owner does not have complete control over the dog, period. You might train the dog, you might raise the dog around other people or kids. You might put that dog in line and let him know you are the leader of the pack, that does not mean that dog would not attack a child(lower down in the pack) or a stranger someone who comes over whatever(an outsider).

To me, they should be illegal to sell or buy. If states are doing the same with say large snakes, because they can potentially harm someone. I do not see why they do not do it with this specific dog breed. Its not exterminating them, its making them unavailable to the public.

Well, if we're outlawing Pit bulls because they are unpredictable and potentially dangerous, then you must outlaw all dogs that are 35+ lbs. (or all animals really).

Btw, Pit Bulls are illegal in a lot of states / cities / counties around the U.S.

FlyingElvis
06-08-2009, 12:01 PM
The answer is pretty simple really. Felons and people who've owned dogs that attacked people in the past shouldn't be allowed to own Pitt Bulls. Basically you elimate a lot of people who have no business owning. I personally have no problem with intelligent, responsible people owning one.

Pitt Bull and Rottweiler ownership should require some kind of simple licensing or something that reduces the number of morons allowed to own them. Morons and those kinds of dogs are bad mixes.

All this is fine by me. Crank up the penalties for animal abuse/cruelty while we're at it and we're making a decent start. Most states/cities/towns have weak legislation with even weaker enforcement.

TimD
06-08-2009, 12:18 PM
Pit bulls are also the main breed that are raised for fighting.


What about German Shepards? Those are the trained police animal last I checked and when told they can attack violently as well. Any dog is capable of violence. Pit bulls just have a predisposition based on the whole subculture of dog fighting.

How do you put this in a hypothetical.


Here we go, this isn't perfect but not bad for all the effort I anted to put into it.


Say you have a gang. They're raised that their territory is their territory. And that if killing of giving your life is what it takes you do it.

Now do you condemn said person for their upbringing, or do you look at the whole situation?

Do you make a generalized statement, or do you do the full analysis and realize that hey, yeah they made the choice, but they weren't given much opportunity?


As for Harrison.... Maybe it was a BS excuse, or maybe he believed what he said.

My point was simple.. Yeah he sounded ******** saying it, but whats the big f'n whoop?

i get what youre saying.

nature vs. nurture. philosophers have been arguing about that for centuries.

yourfavestoner
06-08-2009, 12:27 PM
Pit bulls are also the main breed that are raised for fighting.


What about German Shepards? Those are the trained police animal last I checked and when told they can attack violently as well. Any dog is capable of violence. Pit bulls just have a predisposition based on the whole subculture of dog fighting.

How do you put this in a hypothetical.


Here we go, this isn't perfect but not bad for all the effort I anted to put into it.


Say you have a gang. They're raised that their territory is their territory. And that if killing of giving your life is what it takes you do it.

Now do you condemn said person for their upbringing, or do you look at the whole situation?

Do you make a generalized statement, or do you do the full analysis and realize that hey, yeah they made the choice, but they weren't given much opportunity?


As for Harrison.... Maybe it was a BS excuse, or maybe he believed what he said.

My point was simple.. Yeah he sounded ******** saying it, but whats the big f'n whoop?

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Gay Ork Wang
06-08-2009, 12:42 PM
i get what youre saying.

nature vs. nurture. philosophers have been arguing about that for centuries.
nature loses

Addict
06-08-2009, 12:55 PM
nature loses

seconded. the only reason this debate still exists is because some people like to blame their stupid actions on the fact they were born.

Bengalsrocket
06-08-2009, 03:31 PM
seconded. the only reason this debate still exists is because some people like to blame their stupid actions on the fact they were born.

Eh that's a slippery slope here. If we're saying that nature plays no part in it, then we're assuming all birth defects including mental handicaps have to do with something the parents did during the birthing process.

If we're saying that nature somehow plays very little or no part in who we are, then we are claiming ideas to be of one's choice, such as sexual orientation.

And on the nurture side of things, we have evidence such as identical twins (who's DNA are the exact same) becoming two vastly different people.

Meanwhile, things like Alcoholism, which can be hereditary could favor in both sides of the argument. On one hand, if no one in your lineage had started drinking, would you still be giving this defect at birth? On the other hand, if it becomes ingrained into your DNA can other behaviors be predetermined to you (such as gambling addiction)?

Anyways, my point is, I don't think it should be a question of either or, but rather which one affects us more. And regardless of which side you think is right, I believe everyone will agree that you always have a choice in who you become - if you have a hereditary behavior disorder, like alcoholism, it doesn't mean you will drink, it just means that drinking is addictive to your body.

Mr. Stiller
06-09-2009, 12:45 AM
I think this thread needs locked. Too intelligent a conversation for a football board.

However my opinion?

Nature plays a role.

Things such as growth, Puberty, Adrenalin, Serotonin etc. Play key factors in the biological side of the argument.

The fact doesn't change though.

Throughout history it's evident that people behaved the way that they were brought up.

From the barbarians, to the Medieval times. People were brought up in basic forms of whatever they would be..

Be it a merchant, a warrior or what not.

Dogs are no different. People don't breed Chihuahua's for fighting. But I bet if someone mal-nourished, mis treated and abused one the way that dogfighting trainers do... I'm sure it could be vicious.

Not to mention one of the reasons that Pit bulls get the "Violent" Label is their build. Broad chest, very powerful jaw that have a wide bit range. They just "look Mean" But even so, My father has an American bulldog, he looks like he could be the meanest dog you ever met, but I have never seen him bite or jump on anyone and he's 140lbs.. all muscle.

Orange and Black
06-16-2009, 08:39 PM
My wife is an ER doc in a pediatric hospital and she has sewn many a kid's face that was bitten by the family dog. The owners typically say that the dog had been in the family a long time and never exhibited any prior aggressive behavior. It just up and bit the kid one day.

I forget the exact breed that my wife see's the most....but I know it's a small dog breed....one that you wouldn't think would bite a kid. IMO....it's not the best idea to keep a dog around kids under 7, and totally reckless to have a dog like a pit bull.

Chances are they will never be a problem, but why take the chance with your child's well being?????????