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TACKLE
05-29-2009, 12:44 PM
Here's a wide open thread to discuss Conerbacks. Post any thoughts or opinions on the CB's: your rankings, who's underrated, who's overrated, break out prospects, sleepers, best fits, etc. This is the place to break down the 2010 CB class.

SuperKevin
05-29-2009, 12:48 PM
UCLA's Al Verner is my favorite CB in the draft. He's a little small but he makes up for it with great instincts and athleticism. He may never be a #1 CB in the NFL but he could be a solid #2 or a great nickel.

Actually I really like the UCLA defense as a whole this year

TACKLE
05-29-2009, 12:54 PM
UCLA's Al Verner is my favorite CB in the draft. He's a little small but he makes up for it with great instincts and athleticism. He may never be a #1 CB in the NFL but he could be a solid #2 or a great nickel.

Actually I really like the UCLA defense as a whole this year

I'm also a big fan. He's got great instinct and is one of the best CB's in the draft when it comes to making plays on the ball. He was also the national leader in PBU's.


Also, a lot of people seem to be high on Trevard Lindley but to be honest, I've never actually seen him play. What sets him apart from the other CB's in this class.

princefielder28
05-29-2009, 12:55 PM
Here's my senior rankings at the position.....

1. Trevard Lindley, KENTUCKY
2. Crezdon Butler, CLEMSON
3. Javier Arenas, ALABAMA
4. Kyle Wilson, BOISE STATE
5. Brandon Brinkley, HOUSTON
6. Syd’Quan Thompson, CALIFORNIA
7. Walter Thurmond, OREGON
8. Alterraun Verner, UCLA
9. Brandon Ghee, WAKE FOREST
10. Stephan Virgil, VIRGINIA TECH

I think Brinkley is the one to really watch out of this group. Vener, like SK pointed out, is a part of UCLA's intriguing defense and someone who I could see climbing the boards.

SuperKevin
05-29-2009, 12:58 PM
Parrish Cox from Oklahoma State is another player I really love in this draft. He's probably going to make his mark early as a return specialist but could forge a niche into a starting lineup down the road a la Terrence McGee

BuddyCHRIST
05-29-2009, 01:46 PM
Don't mean to be a homer, but I really think Patrick Robinson will be a first rounder by the end of this year, he really has all ths skills. He had a great Sophomore year as a nickle guy and picked everything that came his way. Last year he missed almost half the season with injuries and the suspension from the first 3 games but was really a shut down guy when he was on the field. Has a build similar to D'Angelo Hall (listed at 5'11" 192) and was the fastest player at FSU last summer when he ran a 4.25 last summer (faster than guys who ran 4.3's at the pro day). But mainly when you watch him on the field he has great hips and just really excells in man to man coverage.

JFLO
05-29-2009, 01:50 PM
I'm a pretty big Brandon Brinkley fan. He has a great combo of size and speed and is very productive. He needs to learn a bit more from a mental aspect, but if he improves on that point and has another productive point, I don't think 2nd round could be out of the question for him, especially after the combine.

Other guys that I like:

Javier Arenas Bama
Jamar Hall Texas Tech
Omar Bolden Arizona State
Jai Eugene Louisiana State

Borat
05-29-2009, 02:02 PM
I'm a big believer in Syd’Quan Thompson. He's a stud.

TACKLE
05-29-2009, 02:12 PM
Don't mean to be a homer, but I really think Patrick Robinson will be a first rounder by the end of this year, he really has all ths skills. He had a great Sophomore year as a nickle guy and picked everything that came his way. Last year he missed almost half the season with injuries and the suspension from the first 3 games but was really a shut down guy when he was on the field. Has a build similar to D'Angelo Hall (listed at 5'11" 192) and was the fastest player at FSU last summer when he ran a 4.25 last summer (faster than guys who ran 4.3's at the pro day). But mainly when you watch him on the field he has great hips and just really excells in man to man coverage.

He definitely has the potential. Robinson is a ridiculous athlete but he'll need to be much more productive to get into the first round. Though if he rips it up this season, in this CB class, I could see him contending for the top spot.

ncst8fan83
05-29-2009, 02:48 PM
!!!HOMER ALERT!!!

DeAndre Morgan will make some team happy in the latter rounds. Runs in the 4.3's and he's an EXCELLENT tackler. He's smallish (probably 5'9" 180#) and isn't a ballhawk although he'll get his share of PBU's.

60 tackles, 3 TFL, 10PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR, 2 INT last year. 31 tackles, 1 TFL, 8 PBU, 1 FR as a nickleback in 07.

princefielder28
05-29-2009, 05:12 PM
He definitely has the potential. Robinson is a ridiculous athlete but he'll need to be much more productive to get into the first round. Though if he rips it up this season, in this CB class, I could see him contending for the top spot.

I agree that Robinson has a chance to move up, but I would place the ceiling at day one, not round one. He has some character concerns so that may hurt how high he soars too.

princefielder28
05-29-2009, 05:16 PM
I'm a big believer in Syd’Quan Thompson. He's a stud.

The only thing that concerns me with Thompson is his size, but I think day one is a definite possibility for him. He's a playmaker and I would say he compares best to Alphonoso Smith, who went in round two this year. I see a good number of corners, maybe as many as eight, coming off the board in rounds two and three.

BaLLiN
05-29-2009, 05:23 PM
I like the overall talent this year, theres alot more speed in this crop. I could easily see 8 CBs taken in the first two rounds.

BaLLiN
05-29-2009, 05:27 PM
even some underclassmen are appealing, Donovan Warren, Joe Haden, Omar Bolden

princefielder28
05-29-2009, 05:29 PM
even some underclassmen are appealing, Donovan Warren, Joe Haden, Omar Bolden

Ras-I Dowling needs some love too, but he may fit best as a safety at the next level because of his size and lack of elite speed.

I hope to see more playmaking out of Warren this year. He had a nice Fr. year but I wouldn't say 2008 was anything special for him and certainly not the production he was hoping for. The physical tools are there and maybe he was just a product of a transition year and he'll bring it back together in 2009.

BuddyCHRIST
05-29-2009, 05:37 PM
I agree that Robinson has a chance to move up, but I would place the ceiling at day one, not round one. He has some character concerns so that may hurt how high he soars too.

Robinson doesn't have character concerns, his only ever issue was being suspended 4 games for the academic scandal issue, which doesn't really file under character concerns.

princefielder28
05-29-2009, 05:38 PM
Robinson doesn't have character concerns, his only ever issue was being suspended 4 games for the academic scandal issue, which doesn't really file under character concerns.

How does being part of a scandal, which got you suspended, not fall under a concern?

TACKLE
05-29-2009, 05:38 PM
I agree that Robinson has a chance to move up, but I would place the ceiling at day one, not round one. He has some character concerns so that may hurt how high he soars too.

I didn't know he had any character concerns. Can you fill me in.

Also, he would have to have a great year to be in the 1st round. He seems just like Darius Butler. Both are fantastic athletes but both are on the small side. Although Butler ultimately ended up going in the 2nd round, he was viewed by some as the #1 CB and a Top 20 player in the draft.

princefielder28
05-29-2009, 05:42 PM
I didn't know he had any character concerns. Can you fill me in.

Also, he would have to have a great year to be in the 1st round. He seems just like Darius Butler. Both are fantastic athletes but both are on the small side. Although Butler ultimately ended up going in the 2nd round, he was viewed by some as the #1 CB and a Top 20 player in the draft.

Remember this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159534

TACKLE
05-29-2009, 05:45 PM
Remember this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3159534

I didn't realize that he was apart of that whole thing. It definitely does raise some concerns about his maturity and character.

AntoinCD
05-29-2009, 05:57 PM
!!!HOMER ALERT!!!

DeAndre Morgan will make some team happy in the latter rounds. Runs in the 4.3's and he's an EXCELLENT tackler. He's smallish (probably 5'9" 180#) and isn't a ballhawk although he'll get his share of PBU's.

60 tackles, 3 TFL, 10PBU, 1 FF, 1 FR, 2 INT last year. 31 tackles, 1 TFL, 8 PBU, 1 FR as a nickleback in 07.

I dont see him last to the late rounds if he runs a legitmate low to mid 4.3. When CBs or WRs run in the 4.3s they get pushed way up. Just ask Johnny Knox

BamaFalcon59
05-29-2009, 07:42 PM
Stephan Virgil is the next VT boundary CB to be drafted. Just a playmaker, six interceptions last season to go along with a punt block, fumble recovery, etc.. I don't feel like going into detail right now.

ironman4579
05-29-2009, 08:23 PM
Ras-I Dowling needs some love too, but he may fit best as a safety at the next level because of his size and lack of elite speed.

I hope to see more playmaking out of Warren this year. He had a nice Fr. year but I wouldn't say 2008 was anything special for him and certainly not the production he was hoping for. The physical tools are there and maybe he was just a product of a transition year and he'll bring it back together in 2009.

For Warren it was a combination of things last year IMO. Crappy scheme, he was playing with an injury most of the season, and just subpar play from him combined to make a subpar year, or at least not an improvement from his freshman season. As I've said before though, if a team runs mostly man coverage, he's one of the best, if not the best around. However, if you run mostly zone, or some combination of man/zone, you'd probably rank him far lower. His zone awereness isn't great, he's not a great tackler, he uses his hands a bit too much downfield (IMO), and he's got bricks for hands.

He'll probably never be a guy that gets a ton of INT's, and as of now he wouldn't be very good in a zone scheme IMO, but if you were looking for a guy to shut down one half of the field in pure man coverage all day, he's your guy. The problem is, how many teams out there run pure man coverage most/all of the time nowadays?

CC.SD
05-29-2009, 08:40 PM
I'm a big believer in Syd’Quan Thompson. He's a stud.

I am too, he's going to be a real stud for a long time IMO.

OneToughGame
05-29-2009, 09:09 PM
Kyle Wilson is a stud.

BuddyCHRIST
05-29-2009, 10:33 PM
How does being part of a scandal, which got you suspended, not fall under a concern?

I really don't consider accepting some free answers for an online class a character issue concerning the NFL. It shows some poor judgement but its not in the same ballpark as getting in trouble with the law or having issues with coaches/teammates.

ncst8fan83
05-29-2009, 11:04 PM
I really don't consider accepting some free answers for an online class a character issue concerning the NFL. It shows some poor judgement but its not in the same ballpark as getting in trouble with the law or having issues with coaches/teammates.

So you don't consider dishonesty a character concern? Do you think he didn't know it was wrong? If he knew it was wrong, then he's stupid for doing it. If he didn't know it was wrong, then he's even more ignorant. Both aren't character traits i'd want on my team. I'd think interviews will make or break his draft status...

Scotty D
05-30-2009, 12:17 AM
So you don't consider dishonesty a character concern? Do you think he didn't know it was wrong? If he knew it was wrong, then he's stupid for doing it. If he didn't know it was wrong, then he's even more ignorant. Both aren't character traits i'd want on my team. I'd think interviews will make or break his draft status...

Some of the best teams in the NFL were cheaters!

SuperKevin
05-30-2009, 08:14 AM
Honestly I don't see the big deal in what Patrick Robinson did. Like 95% of college kids would have done the same thing if given the opportunity

Cicero
05-30-2009, 08:32 AM
So you don't consider dishonesty a character concern? Do you think he didn't know it was wrong? If he knew it was wrong, then he's stupid for doing it. If he didn't know it was wrong, then he's even more ignorant. Both aren't character traits i'd want on my team. I'd think interviews will make or break his draft status...

You're taking this way too far out of context. How many people can honestly say that they never cheated on a test ever in school? They just happened to get caught that time, big deal. The TA probably offered to do it for them...come on how many people are going to turn that down?

Then what about things like adderall. Does anyone who take adderall during finals week have "huge character concerns" now because they take "performance enhancing drugs?"

ncst8fan83
05-30-2009, 08:55 AM
You're taking this way too far out of context. How many people can honestly say that they never cheated on a test ever in school? They just happened to get caught that time, big deal. The TA probably offered to do it for them...come on how many people are going to turn that down?

Then what about things like adderall. Does anyone who take adderall during finals week have "huge character concerns" now because they take "performance enhancing drugs?"

I'm not taking it "out of context" at all. Just trying to put myself in the position of a GM. I don't necessarily think it's fair, but it's public knowledge now so it's fair game for GM's to scrutinize. If Joe Smith at State College cheated on an exam or test, I doubt his future employer would ever know about it.

I do think you need to recognize the difference between a character concern and a character flaw. GM's need to determine if those concerns might one day become flaws and harm the team. If Robinson can prove to teams that it was a one time mistake due to immaturity then it probably won't hurt him at all. If he screws up again this year then it's becoming a habit and it will more than likely hurt his draft stock. That's all I was trying to say.

Texas Homer
06-06-2009, 07:35 PM
Texas Sr. CB Deon Beasley could raise his stock next season. He had a little bit of a down season last year after an impressive Soph. season.

BuckNaked
06-06-2009, 08:52 PM
Coming from someone who watches Trevard Lindley play a lot, I'm confident in saying that he's the #1 cornerback in the draft. Now you could see he had star potential ever since his sophomore season where he made a huge play at the most dire of times and was a key catalyst of that incredibly overachieving team in 2007. Now he was under the microscope a bit more last season as he was the sole leader of the defense, and he didn't disappoint one bit. He was always matched up against the opposing teams #1 receiver and really had himself a great year. He's just very good at every facet of playing his position, albeit not standing out as being extraordinary at any part of his game either.

superman8456
06-06-2009, 08:59 PM
Javier Arenas is my favorite CB in the draft. He is also a great returner.

TACKLE
06-06-2009, 10:25 PM
Javier Arenas is my favorite CB in the draft. He is also a great returner.

I always think of Arenas as a return specialists and not really as a corner. Yet I've seen him ranked as one of the top CB's going into the draft. Although he is a ridiculous return man, I don't really see the CB potential. He's listed at 5'9 but he's really closer to 5'8. He only had 1 INT and 7 PBU's. Now are people expecting a breakout year or is he just getting ranked high because of his return ability?

jsa230
06-10-2009, 12:37 AM
As of right now Trevard Lindley is head and shoulders above th rest of the cbs. if it wasn't for his injury as a senior in high school he would be playing at ohio st or florida right now. He can play zone, man bump-n-run and he has started almost every game since he was a freshman (iirc) and is SoOo clutch. I would love for the packers to take him at 32nd overall.

TR1982
06-14-2009, 10:07 AM
Brandon Ghee will be the top corner by the end of this coming season.

TACKLE
07-11-2009, 02:47 PM
Myron Lewis from Vandy could be stud. Although he definitely benefited from playing across form DJ Moore, he had a sick season himself with 76 tackles, 5 INT's, 6 PBU's, 5 sacks, and 7 TFL's. He's a very big corner at 6'2 205 but Lewis is an athlete. With his tackling ability and size, some may see him more as a FS prospect but I think he has the ability to play both. In my eyes he's a guy who could go in late-1st to mid-2nd if he has another great season.

CashmoneyDrew
07-11-2009, 03:27 PM
Myron Lewis from Vandy could be stud. Although he definitely benefited from playing across form DJ Moore, he had a sick season himself with 76 tackles, 5 INT's, 6 PBU's, 5 sacks, and 7 TFL's. He's a very big corner at 6'2 205 but Lewis is an athlete. With his tackling ability and size, some may see him more as a FS prospect but I think he has the ability to play both. In my eyes he's a guy who could go in late-1st to mid-2nd if he has another great season.

He'll have to answer questions about his speed or he might have to move to safety.

TACKLE
07-11-2009, 03:36 PM
He'll have to answer questions about his speed or he might have to move to safety.

True. If he runs in the 4.55+ range he'll probably kick back to safety but I still think he can be a 2nd round pick as a safety.

yourfavestoner
07-11-2009, 03:45 PM
RJ Stanford (Utah) will be a first round pick come April. Mark it down.

TACKLE
07-12-2009, 04:13 PM
RJ Stanford (Utah) will be a first round pick come April. Mark it down.

I've only heard of him briefly and have never really watched him. What can you tell me about him?

mellojello
08-01-2009, 12:35 AM
I'm a big believer in Syd’Quan Thompson. He's a stud.I know he's got the speed, is built like a tank, and hit's like a semi truck, but can he effictively gaurd the taller NFL receivers?

murdamal86
08-01-2009, 02:54 PM
Jooooooooe Haden!!!!!!

TACKLE
08-27-2009, 01:00 PM
Rank 'em......Your personal Top 5 CB's heading into the season.

princefielder28
08-27-2009, 01:04 PM
Rank 'em......Your personal Top 5 CB's heading into the season.

Top 5 seniors

1. Trevard Lindley, KENTUCKY
2. Kyle Wilson, BOISE STATE
3. Syd’Quan Thompson, CALIFORNIA
4. Walter Thurmond, OREGON
5. Brandon Ghee, WAKE FOREST

Overall

1. Trevard Lindley, KENTUCKY
2. Joe Haden, FLORIDA
3. Ras-I Dowling, VIRGINIA
4. Kyle Wilson, BOISE STATE
5. Syd’Quan Thompson, CALIFORNIA

TACKLE
08-27-2009, 01:42 PM
Top 5 seniors

1. Trevard Lindley, KENTUCKY
2. Kyle Wilson, BOISE STATE
3. Syd’Quan Thompson, CALIFORNIA
4. Walter Thurmond, OREGON
5. Brandon Ghee, WAKE FOREST

Overall

1. Trevard Lindley, KENTUCKY
2. Joe Haden, FLORIDA
3. Ras-I Dowling, VIRGINIA
4. Kyle Wilson, BOISE STATE
5. Syd’Quan Thompson, CALIFORNIA

Good List PF. I'm having a hard time ranking the CB's this year. I probably haven't watched the CB's as much as I'd like to. There are probably 8-12 guys who could potentially emerge as first round CB's. Of the guys not on your list I like Patrick Robinson, Myron Lewis, Brandon Brinkley and Al Verner. My one thing with this class is there is a lot of small but very athletic corners. Last year, Darius Butler fell to the second round despite having good production and exceptional athletic ability but he was quite small. I think the NFL is moving toward bigger, more physical CB's who stand a better chance at covering all the high quality "big WR's" in the league right now.

princefielder28
08-27-2009, 02:09 PM
Good List PF. I'm having a hard time ranking the CB's this year. I probably haven't watched the CB's as much as I'd like to. There are probably 8-12 guys who could potentially emerge as first round CB's. Of the guys not on your list I like Patrick Robinson, Myron Lewis, Brandon Brinkley and Al Verner. My one thing with this class is there is a lot of small but very athletic corners. Last year, Darius Butler fell to the second round despite having good production and exceptional athletic ability but he was quite small. I think the NFL is moving toward bigger, more physical CB's who stand a better chance at covering all the high quality "big WR's" in the league right now.

Size will be an issue for a handful of guys this year. I have Thompson as my #3 senior CB but he could easily fall b/c he may only measure in at 5'9". Javier Arenas will face alot of the same problems. One player that I am keeping my eye on is Jerome Murphy of South Florida. He's got an intriguing blend of size and speed for the position and performed pretty well last season after Mike Jenkins and Trae Williams left school.

TACKLE
08-27-2009, 02:33 PM
One player that I am keeping my eye on is Jerome Murphy of South Florida. He's got an intriguing blend of size and speed for the position and performed pretty well last season after Mike Jenkins and Trae Williams left school.

I just watched like 20 minutes of highlights on YouTube and I have to say I'm a big fan. I love his aggressiveness and the fact that he's a great hitter. He's got really good size/speed ratio. He showed some impressive man-to-man skills. Although some may view it as a knock, I like the fact that he played the nickel because it shows he has a good understanding of zone concepts and can cover the quick slot WR's in space. He does a real nice job at breaking on the ball and has surprisingly good ball skills. He's also special teams demon. I was very impressed. I love his size, his athleticism and mostly, his tenacity. Definitely will be keeping a close eye on him.

SeanTaylorRIP
08-27-2009, 03:25 PM
Ras-I Dowling and Chris Cook could be the best ACC corner tandem and one of the best in the country. Dowling is the better prospect and potential day 1 pick this year or next. Both are very physical corners who actually could make a move to FS at the pro level.

Don Vito
08-27-2009, 03:35 PM
Ras-I Dowling and Chris Cook could be the best ACC corner tandem and one of the best in the country. Dowling is the better prospect and potential day 1 pick this year or next. Both are very physical corners who actually could make a move to FS at the pro level.

Is Vic Hall staying on offense permanently or is he going to play some corner too?

ToldLikeItIs
08-27-2009, 06:13 PM
Thoughts on Amari Spievey anyone?

6'1 195 CB Iowa True JR.

TACKLE
08-30-2009, 03:28 PM
As of right now. Ras-I Dowling is my #1 CB. People always want to move tall CB's to Safety but Dowling should stay at CB. Why have 5'10 CB's when most of the best WR's in the league are 6'2-6'5. Dowling is a big CB who is a smooth athlete and tracks the ball very well.

Thumper
08-30-2009, 03:31 PM
As of right now. Ras-I Dowling is my #1 CB. People always want to move tall CB's to Safety but Dowling should stay at CB. Why have 5'10 CB's when most of the best WR's in the league are 6'2-6'5. Dowling is a big CB who is a smooth athlete and tracks the ball very well.

Trevard Lindley is mine, he is a long athlete so he defend those tall receivers and he has the ability to stick with them in man to man coverage.

But I agree about the height thing, I like Ras-I Dowling and Brandon Ghee as well.

wicket
08-30-2009, 03:47 PM
i think he'll stick around for another year but if he has the season i expect for him darrin walls will be thought of very high as well

JFLO
08-30-2009, 04:48 PM
I got Syd'Quan Thompson as my top senior corner right now. My top junior corner is Joe Haden and most likely my top overall corner.

For 5'9", Thompson is without a doubt the most physical corner in the class. He has good (not great) coverage ability, but I think his physicality to go along with that and great kick returning ability make him #1 right now.

Thumper
09-05-2009, 11:53 AM
Alright, does anyone know anything about Patrick Robinson? I know that he is a great athlete and that he can make plays on the ball, but does anyone know the intricacies of his game? Like how physical is he? Is he good in man to man coverage? Is he good in zone coverage? Will he support the run? Is he a good press corner or does he play off coverage a lot?

Same with Kyle Wilson and Jerome Murphy.

I know of these guys but I don't know their games and they're highly rated prospects so I figure I might as well learn about them.

Jimmy
09-05-2009, 04:06 PM
Perrish Cox is a stud. He's gotta fly up the boards. He shut down AJ Green so far this game, 3 broken up passes in the first 12 minutes, and a really nice open field tackle. Great size, and blazing speed. His cover techinque needs a little work but hey, doesn't every one's? He makes great breaks on the ball, and is just flying around today. Not to mention Georgia is now wisening up and giving him the Champ treatment, nobody's going at him now.

As for safeties, Lucien Antoine of Ok State is playing lights out, he is absolutely crushing people out there, He's 217 Lbs and is just wrecking people like that Georgia safety a few years ago, Greg Blue

Thumper
09-05-2009, 04:31 PM
Speaking of Perrish Cox, he can return kicks as well, returned it down to the 24 yard line and like you said he is having a fantastic game.

EDIT: Cox tipped a deep pass to Green, he is having the game of his life right now

ToldLikeItIs
09-05-2009, 05:15 PM
Amari Spievey had about 15 tackles today, 3 TFL, and a two pass breakups.

SuperKevin
09-05-2009, 05:46 PM
Trevard Lindley had a pick 6 today

TACKLE
09-05-2009, 06:19 PM
My Top 5 CB's as of right now.

1. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia
2. Patrick Robinson, FSU
3. Jerome Murphy, USF
4. Joe Haden, Florida
5. Trevard Lindley, Kentucky

Jimmy
09-05-2009, 06:30 PM
My Top 5 CB's as of right now.

1. Ras-I Dowling, Virginia
2. Patrick Robinson, FSU
3. Jerome Murphy, USF
4. Joe Haden, Florida
5. Trevard Lindley, Kentucky

I'm not big on USF corners. Trae Williams was all the rage a few years ago, with 8 interceptions or something, then Mike Jenkins played better in their senior season, and overshadowed Williams. But low and behold they both suck, and I don't think Murphy is any better, judging by what I've seen.

SuperKevin
09-07-2009, 03:54 PM
Parrish Cox from Oklahoma State is another player I really love in this draft. He's probably going to make his mark early as a return specialist but could forge a niche into a starting lineup down the road a la Terrence McGee

Way back in May people. Go me!

sodar21
09-13-2009, 11:05 PM
Darrin Walls looked good against Michigan.

Ozzy
09-23-2009, 07:51 PM
I am not totally sure that Patrick Robinson as the #1 SR corner in the nation. Which is where Scott has him listed.


Syd’Quan Thompson Cal is a flat out baller, can tackle and cover with the best of them. Trevard Lindley has great height and length as a corner, then you have the special team stars who can cover in Kyle Wilson and Javier Arenas. Alterraun Verner do not forget, who cares if he is small, he is fast and can cover very well.


Robinson is a great corner, but sure fire #1, I am not exactly sure on that one just yet. Last year you heard very little about him, I liked him over any corner they had but he was not some star as a younger prospect. Now he is right at the top, just like that? Great player but not the sure fire #1 corner.

In terms of Juniors, Haden is a great talent, Kareem Jackson has potential and Warren is a possible star, must say though none of those guys are sure fire top corners either, maybe Haden but still some issues with his toughness and consistency.




Dare I say it is a pretty weak collection of corners all across the country. Sure some guys could come along and develop down the road. But as of right now, the only real stars for the future are possibly Brendan Harris, Patrick Peterson, Greg Reid, Stephon Gilmore and Janoris Jenkins.

D-Unit
09-23-2009, 08:49 PM
I'm not big on USF corners. Trae Williams was all the rage a few years ago, with 8 interceptions or something, then Mike Jenkins played better in their senior season, and overshadowed Williams. But low and behold they both suck, and I don't think Murphy is any better, judging by what I've seen.
I beg to differ. Mike Jenkins does not suck. He'll make you eat your words one day. He doesn't do everything right yet, but he's making good progress.

GhostDeini
09-24-2009, 03:09 PM
Since Eric Berry has gone back to playing alot of snaps at CB the first 3 weeks and getting a pick last game vs. UF where would he rank amongst the other CB prospects ? You gotta figure he would be the top guy there too, right ?

iBoldin
09-29-2009, 01:16 AM
Patrick Robinson is overrated. Half the time I find him playing far too off his man because he doesn't have the speed to keep up with your speedsters or slot receivers. I find him far too often taking a terrible angle, over-pursuing his man after the catch, or having to make a quality play to break up a pass because he got beat deep.

Not impressed with him from what I've seen. Although I haven't been impressed by many corners at all yet. Eric Berry's been one, that's about it.

BuddyCHRIST
09-29-2009, 05:51 AM
Have you been watching the same games? PRob has played very well, the knack on his speed is just completely wrong as he's very very fast. He plays far off because thats how FSU's defense is run, they rarely ever press of any kind. And if you haven't noticed, FSU's pass defense is probably the worst of any top 100 team in the nation mainly due to the atrocious safety play. PRob is the only player in the secondary who can do anything and he's rarely been thrown at, all that stuff you said you've seen hasn't happened.

iBoldin
09-29-2009, 01:48 PM
Have you been watching the same games? PRob has played very well, the knack on his speed is just completely wrong as he's very very fast. He plays far off because thats how FSU's defense is run, they rarely ever press of any kind. And if you haven't noticed, FSU's pass defense is probably the worst of any top 100 team in the nation mainly due to the atrocious safety play. PRob is the only player in the secondary who can do anything and he's rarely been thrown at, all that stuff you said you've seen hasn't happened.

I watched the Miami game, and parts of the BYU and USF game. Maybe I should re-watch the BYU/USF game, because I honestly didn't like what I saw against Miami.

Maybe I'm wrong about his speed, but I have seen it being estimated anywhere between 4.43 and 4.48, but his on-field speed just didn't seem up to par. Hankerson used his frame and strength(at least I think it was him) to make plays over Robinson. In the first quarter Byrd used his 6'4" frame to get a step on Robinson, just didn't come down with the catch. The coverage was ok, but a NFL-caliber player is going to come down with that catch.

I was unaware that's the way FSU runs their coverages, so good point, I digress. I can also attest to the bad safety play lol, because that's certainly also there.

I just think he plays too soft to make a big impact at the NFL-level. I guess I need to watch more tape.

Staubach12
09-29-2009, 01:51 PM
Since Eric Berry has gone back to playing alot of snaps at CB the first 3 weeks and getting a pick last game vs. UF where would he rank amongst the other CB prospects ? You gotta figure he would be the top guy there too, right ?

Berry would be the best corner in the draft, no doubt.

Saints 4 Lyfe
09-29-2009, 02:06 PM
Chris Hawkins should be very good value late in the draft.

murdamal86
10-01-2009, 07:52 PM
Berry is the best corner in the draft, no doubt.

Fixed for accuracy

Babylon
10-01-2009, 08:23 PM
Fixed for accuracy

Not sure if a safety has ever gone #1 (doubt it) but i'm warming to it for a team like a Detroit, Tampa, Tennessee..........

P-L
10-01-2009, 08:25 PM
Yeah, Berry is a hell of a safety but I have no doubts that he could also be an excellent corner in the NFL.

CC.SD
10-01-2009, 11:07 PM
Not sure if a safety has ever gone #1 (doubt it) but i'm warming to it for a team like a Detroit, Tampa, Tennessee..........

No way, won't happen. Berry's obviously amazing but he won't post mind numbing measurables and if those teams end up #1 they will definitely need one of the premium DT/OT/QBs.

roscoesdad27
10-02-2009, 10:42 PM
No way, won't happen. Berry's obviously amazing but he won't post mind numbing measurables and if those teams end up #1 they will definitely need one of the premium DT/OT/QBs.

i think he runs in the 4.3's, which would be very impressive....he would be the best corner in his draft...a mel blount type c.b....or a hybrid ed reed/troy polumolu type safety.

DoughBoy
10-02-2009, 10:47 PM
Not sure if a safety has ever gone #1 (doubt it) but i'm warming to it for a team like a Detroit, Tampa, Tennessee..........

We wont be picking in the top 5 and we dont need a saftey, wouldnt mind having Berry regardless.

JFLO
10-04-2009, 11:44 AM
It seems that the more video I watch or the more I read on Joe Haden, the more I seem to like him.

He has all the athletic tools you look for to be a franchise corner and it seems that he is developing really well. Not to mention the fact that his tackling has tremendously improved so far this season.

I think he is like 15-20 on my board right now, but if he keeps up this stellar campaign in 2009, then I seriously think he could be a Top 10 talent.

nepg
10-26-2009, 11:56 AM
Roderick Rollins never gets any pub, but he's been a damn good corner at BC for 4 years now. I don't think Notre Dame threw his way all game long, and he's a good tackler. Also, compare the cushion he gave compared to the BC corners...Rollins was getting the job done without giving any cushion.

ToldLikeItIs
10-28-2009, 09:41 PM
Kiper's top 5 corners, regardless of year: Haden, Warren, Spievey, Verner, Lindley.

P-L
10-28-2009, 09:44 PM
No Ras-I Dowling? Interesting...

ToldLikeItIs
10-28-2009, 09:49 PM
No Dowling. It's time Spievey gets a little consideration I think.

Sniper
10-28-2009, 09:58 PM
Kiper's top 5 corners, regardless of year: Haden, Warren, Spievey, Verner, Lindley.

If Warren played on a defense with a consistent pass rush and even average safeties, everyone would be all over his jock.

ToldLikeItIs
10-28-2009, 10:13 PM
Everyone obviously is. Haden isn't as good in coverage, but tackles better.

Falcon<3
10-28-2009, 10:31 PM
What cornerbacks with 5'11-6'1 size are out there this year that I should be watching. My Falcons really need some DB help, and it's not athletic ability we're lacking, it's size more than anything else. Are there any big guys out there this year who could step up and really make an impact, I was hoping for Smith last year, but Peria really filled a need for us too. This year we have to get a CB somewhere in the draft that can step up and play some ball.

ToldLikeItIs
10-28-2009, 10:42 PM
Amari Spievey 6'1 200 Iowa

draftguru151
10-28-2009, 10:57 PM
Kiper's top 5 corners, regardless of year: Haden, Warren, Spievey, Verner, Lindley.

Where did you get this from?

Foosballphan
10-28-2009, 11:06 PM
Amari Spievey 6'1 200 Iowa
1:10 to 1:19, 1:56 to 2:03, 3:56 to 4:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBGP6wU_JDY
Has everything I want in a corner except straight line speed. That is his question mark.

ToldLikeItIs
10-29-2009, 01:46 AM
He runs a 4.45.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-29-2009, 06:45 AM
No Ras-I Dowling? Interesting...

TBH I think Ras-I stays. He doesn't get press playing at UVA and IMO I think he would want to stay. The team is getting better every week after looking horrid at the start and the offense and defense has so much young talent coming back. Even he started the season off slow so I think he would want to have a great senior year. Still though there are very few corners in the nation as big and physical as him as well as being solid in coverage. He's 6-2" but runs and changes direction like he's 5-10".

ToldLikeItIs
10-29-2009, 07:24 AM
I heard it on the radio Mr. Guru.

ironman4579
10-29-2009, 09:21 AM
If Warren played on a defense with a consistent pass rush and even average safeties, everyone would be all over his jock.

And if they let him play up tight (which he excels at) instead of 10 yards off the LOS.......................

Sniper
10-29-2009, 09:31 AM
And if they let him play up tight (which he excels at) instead of 10 yards off the LOS.......................

Well, that's because of the safety problem.

ironman4579
10-29-2009, 09:40 AM
Well, that's because of the safety problem.

True, but it's sure not helping the underneath stuff. And probably our best game against the pass was against Iowa, (In terms of against the WR's. Clearly the TE killed us) which was basically the only meaningful game when we played a good majority of press coverage.

Sniper
10-29-2009, 09:46 AM
True, but it's sure not helping the underneath stuff. And probably our best game against the pass was against Iowa, (In terms of against the WR's. Clearly the TE killed us) which was basically the only meaningful game when we played a good majority of press coverage.

Because Iowa didn't really have a guy that could threaten UM deep. The underneath stuff is on guys like Mouton, (**** you) Ezeh, Williams, Kovacs, etc. Since we can't really blitz due to lack of cover guys, it's hard for pressure to get home as well, leaving Warren out there for a while.

ToldLikeItIs
10-29-2009, 10:06 AM
DJk had separation from Warren on several occasions.

ironman4579
10-30-2009, 09:51 AM
DJk had separation from Warren on several occasions.

You've said that before. Still not buying it.

ironman4579
10-30-2009, 09:52 AM
Well, that's because of the safety problem.

A pretty interesting 3 page breakdown of what appears to be an attempt to counter that problem, which also somewhat proves your point................

http://burgeoningwolverinestar.blogspot.com/2009/10/new-defense-part-1.html

ironman4579
11-06-2009, 05:48 AM
Kiper's top 5 corners, regardless of year: Haden, Warren, Spievey, Verner, Lindley.

Told was basically right with this by the way. I just looked back at a Kiper chat from 10/28. Mel said

If you combine the juniors and seniors, the top would be Joe Haden, Florida; then Warren; Spivae; Patrick Robinson; Kyle Wilson; Trevard Lindley; Javier Arenas; Myron Lewis; Alterraun Verner.


http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/29110/football-guru-mel-kiper


You can find it about 2/3's of the way down the page.

danzing1488
11-09-2009, 08:37 PM
Here is my sleeper......Anthony Ferla, Temple, becoming a shut down corner for the Owls, may come out this year, reported low 4.4 time, around 5-10 190lbs, very similar to Aaron Ross as a prospect, if he proves his athletic ability and does not get the "must move to safety" treatment, could be a late round steal.

BigBanger
11-09-2009, 08:53 PM
Amari Spievey could be a legit franchise corner. All he has to do is run a good 40 time and he's a top 15 pick. Dude is a beast. The best corner I've seen in run support since Brandon Flowers. Has the size, the ball skills and hips and footwork you need.

scottyboy
11-10-2009, 03:22 PM
Devin McCourt is actually having a great year. Excellent in the run support and a special teams ace with multiple big special teams tackles and a KR TD this year. It's a shame this CB draft could be so loaded. I could see McCourty making it to a 5th or even 4th round draft pick. Kid's gonna be a great nickel back if given the chance.
played like 115 total snaps against UCONN. talk about heart and leadership

D-Unit
11-10-2009, 03:36 PM
What does everyone think about Arenas' game translating to the pros? Personally, I think he'll produce better than some of the more highly touted raw prospects.

Babylon
11-10-2009, 03:44 PM
What does everyone think about Arenas' game translating to the pros? Personally, I think he'll produce better than some of the more highly touted raw prospects.

Physical corner,great returner. What's not to like.

brownsrodeo88
11-10-2009, 04:50 PM
Physical corner,great returner. What's not to like.

Sometimes he overcommits and gets himself out of position. Real prone to bonehead special teams plays up until this year.

D-Unit
11-10-2009, 05:28 PM
Sometimes he overcommits and gets himself out of position. Real prone to bonehead special teams plays up until this year.
Yeah, there's something I was looking for. I do question his recovery skills and just overall pure skills as a corner. Marvelous athlete sure... but is he a kick returner trying to be a corner? I can see him being burnt bad... but I can also see him being surprisingly good out the gate. It's the reason why I asked what you guys thought. I wasn't too sure what to make of him.

D-Unit
11-10-2009, 05:31 PM
I've recently jumped on the Syd'Quan Thompson's bandwagon... I like him as a nickel corner with the potential to start. What are the thoughts on him as a whole?

Is he the next Damieon Hughes? ...er... Dante Hughes?

foozball
11-10-2009, 07:18 PM
Which CBs besides Haden and Patty Robinson have chances to go in the 1st (including underclassman?

Babylon
11-10-2009, 07:24 PM
Which CBs besides Haden and Patty Robinson have chances to go in the 1st (including underclassman?

Perrish Cox, borderline.

foozball
11-10-2009, 07:31 PM
Perrish Cox, borderline.

how's he looked so far this year?

murdamal86
11-14-2009, 06:08 PM
Besides a few pass plays where he got beat, Haden played a heck of a game today

BamaFalcon59
11-14-2009, 06:31 PM
Just thought I would bring up some VT corners...

Stephan Virgil's stock has dropped a ton. Had an excellent junior season (six interceptions), but injuries have hampered him thus far this year (one interception). Due to the injury he has moved back to the field corner position, rather than the boundary corner where our top corner generally plays. He plays the run well and has very good instincts, but his lack of size and speed will hurt him. I would say a sixth round pick who has a very good shot at suprising on a zone oriented team.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Rock Carmichael has went from an uncertainty to to a strength. Although he lacks great size, Carmichael excels in man coverage and has held up to our standards at the boundary corner position. He is only a junior, so he has further time to improve. One of, if not the, fastest players on Virginia Tech.'s roster. Lacks size and needs to improve his tackling, but I could see that happening by the draft next year. I would say a third to fourth round pick.

SuperKevin
11-14-2009, 07:50 PM
Kyle Wilson is probably a top 5 CB in the draft thanks to his big play ability and return skills

Sniper
11-22-2009, 09:21 AM
http://www.freep.com/article/20091122/SPORTS06/911220662/1054/sports06/Wolverines-optimistic-despite-second-straight-losing-season

Back to help that cause is junior cornerback Donovan Warren, who said after the game Saturday that he would return for his senior year -- though Warren did tell annarbor.com Monday that he would ask the NFL to evaluate his draft status.

JFLO
11-27-2009, 05:09 PM
I've thought this for awhile, not just after this game, but does anyone else but me see a possible late 1st-early 2nd round pick in Kareem Jackson. He's a great athlete and run stopper. His coverage skills aren't horrible and that is something that will always be developed at the next level.

Right now, I think he is my 3rd or 4th best corner, but in this cornerback class, anyone can achieve that status come draft day.

Mr.Regular
11-27-2009, 05:37 PM
Kareem Jackson is very underrated at this point. I think he's a second round guy, but I remember I read somewhere that had him rated as a first rounder.

Todd Bertuzzi
12-05-2009, 12:04 PM
Devin McCourty will make a solid NFL player, like his brother.

Ravensfan92
12-31-2009, 05:13 PM
How about Jerome Murphy? The kid from South Florida, he's having a good season.

Arsenal
01-08-2010, 12:02 AM
I thought Kareem Jackson played great in the National Championship, looks like a definitely at least a second rounder to me. Jordan Shipley had a big game but seemed like those catches were on Javier Arenas and the safeties like Mark Barron, not Jackson.

The cornerback class after Joe Haden seems like its pretty up in there air, I think Jackson could end up #2 and a first round pick.

TACKLE
01-26-2010, 08:38 PM
Who is higher rated on your board? Kareem Jackson or Dominique Franks.

J-Mike88
01-27-2010, 07:25 PM
Who is higher rated on your board? Kareem Jackson or Dominique Franks.

I like Franks more.

princefielder28
01-27-2010, 09:06 PM
Who is higher rated on your board? Kareem Jackson or Dominique Franks.

Kareem Jackson...i don't know if Franks is even my favorite Oklahoma corner in this draft

JFLO
01-27-2010, 09:10 PM
Franks is definitely the best corner from Oklahoma, although Brian Jackson has a lot of sleeper potential.

I like Kareem Jackson more than Franks though and Jackson is my current #2 or 3 guy in terms of cornerback rankings. I think Donovan Warren is a guy to watch to emerge to that second spot. He played for a ****** team his last two years in Ann Arbor, but he is one of the best coverage corners in the class.

He should kill in workouts and at drills at the combine, but Jackson has the physicality and athleticism to be a legit #2 corner at the next level, maybe even a #1 guy.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
01-27-2010, 09:34 PM
Patrick Robinson will end up the #2 corner.

Hines
01-27-2010, 09:36 PM
I like Jackson more than Franks and I think Jackson can jump to be the number 2 corner.

TACKLE
02-16-2010, 08:54 PM
As just a CB prospect, where does Earl Thomas stand? He played safety in college but he's undersized for a safety and is not that physical. Not saying at all he can't play safety but with his speed, quick feet and smooth hips, he may be better suited to play CB at the next level. He's already looked at as a bit of a CB/S tweener. Obviously his versatility will only help boost his stock but purely as a CB prospect, where do you think he ranks in this class?

ThePudge
02-16-2010, 08:59 PM
As just a CB prospect, where does Earl Thomas stand? He played safety in college but he's undersized for a safety and is not that physical. Not saying at all he can't play safety but with his speed, quick feet and smooth hips, he may be better suited to play CB at the next level. He's already looked at as a bit of a CB/S tweener. Obviously his versatility will only help boost his stock but purely as a CB prospect, where do you think he ranks in this class?

Honestly, I would say #2. The way he breaks on the ball and changes direction, he could remind some of former Central Florida Corner Asante Samuel at that position. Thomas gives a team a complete defensive back capable of covering receivers man to man or roaming at free safety playing a wide open read-and-react game. He should come off the board in the 20-31 range. His game and versatility could compare favorably to the draft position of Donte Whitner coming out of Ohio State (who ended up going 8th Overall).

Texas Homer
02-16-2010, 09:04 PM
As just a CB prospect, where does Earl Thomas stand? He played safety in college but he's undersized for a safety and is not that physical. Not saying at all he can't play safety but with his speed, quick feet and smooth hips, he may be better suited to play CB at the next level. He's already looked at as a bit of a CB/S tweener. Obviously his versatility will only help boost his stock but purely as a CB prospect, where do you think he ranks in this class?
Yeah I think CB may be Earl Thomas's more natural position, but I think that he ends up at Safety.

Thomas does play pretty physical though in my opinion.

I have no idea where he would rank as a CB, but if I had to make a CB comparison then it would be to physical CB Cortland Finnegan from the Titans.

RaiderNation
03-01-2010, 09:10 PM
Out of the CB's in this draft, which fits Oaklands scheme the best?(Man to man cover corner that is physical and has atleast decent size and speed)

scottyboy
03-01-2010, 09:11 PM
so have you guys realized McCourty's awesomeness yet?

Hurricanes25
03-01-2010, 09:14 PM
so have you guys realized McCourty's awesomeness yet?

His stock has risen so much in the past month or so. He has a legit shot at going in the 1st round.

P-L
03-13-2010, 12:23 PM
After running a 4.64 at the combine on a sprained ankle Donovan Warren ran a 4.54 at Michigan's Pro Day yesterday, wearing a teammate's cleats. His ankle is still not 100% and he plans to run the 40 again at Brandon Graham's individual workout on April 8th.

ironman4579
03-13-2010, 12:47 PM
After running a 4.64 at the combine on a sprained ankle Donovan Warren ran a 4.54 at Michigan's Pro Day yesterday, wearing a teammate's cleats. His ankle is still not 100% and he plans to run the 40 again at Brandon Graham's individual workout on April 8th.

I was about to post that Warren will be working out with Graham at a private workout on April 8th. But now I just posted something completely redundant................................

Mr.Regular
03-13-2010, 12:48 PM
After running a 4.64 at the combine on a sprained ankle Donovan Warren ran a 4.54 at Michigan's Pro Day yesterday, wearing a teammate's cleats. His ankle is still not 100% and he plans to run the 40 again at Brandon Graham's individual workout on April 8th.
I love me some Donovan Warren. Hes one of the most underrated players in the draft I think. I hope people continue to downplay his awesomeness so we can grab him in round 3 and team him up with Charles Woodson. Damn thatd be sexy.

P-L
03-13-2010, 01:49 PM
Woodson + Warren = http://www.stuartduncan.name/funny/spiderman_came.jpg

TACKLE
03-26-2010, 04:59 PM
Rotoworld is reporting that Kyle Wilson ran a 4.42 and a 4.45 at his pro day.

Good times. Right around where everyone was expecting him to run. Maybe not quite as fast as some expected but they aren't going to hurt him at all.

mellojello
03-29-2010, 09:11 PM
I've recently jumped on the Syd'Quan Thompson's bandwagon... I like him as a nickel corner with the potential to start. What are the thoughts on him as a whole?

Is he the next Damieon Hughes? ...er... Dante Hughes?

I'm a big fan of speed at the next level and if Syd's got it (in the 4.4's), he's good to go becuse he's got the skills. He could be a sleeper and if he's available in the 3rd or 4th, take him and run! Your team will love him. And if you happen to get him after the 4th, I won't blame you for doing cartwheels down the street.

At Cal, Damieon Hughes was a HUGE benificiary of Brandon Mebane and racked up a lot of int's as a result of Mebane causing a lot of disruption on passing plays, a disruption at the line that Cal's defense has not had since. To me, it's illogical that a CB can run a 4.6 40 (Hughes' time) and be effecitve at the next level, even in a cover 2 or whatever.

Syd, the guy has the attitude you want from an NFL player. He's soft spoken and seems like a nice kid, but he's a straight thug on the field, but smart too. I kid you not, he's the guy I'd want back there if Brandon Jacobs gets loose in the second level running at full steam - Syd's going to get in there, get low, and take his legs out.

In coverage, I've seen him get beat deep, but usually on perfectly thrown balls against tall receivers. Otherwise, he's almost always in the right place and seems to go for the deflection first.

If you're looking for a special teams threat, I have to say, he's not extremely impressive to me. Don't even consider it an "add on." Cal has had some good special teams threats recently for me to compare him with, guys like Desean and Jahvid Best, so the bar is high, but still, I don't see him having a big impact there. Servicable, yes, the guy you want there, not so much.

Fortunately, Cal is doing a good job documenting player's highlights so there's a lot of good stuff on him on the Cal website and on the internet. I love the video that splices in Bruce Lee clips with the WuTang music.

DeepThreat
03-29-2010, 09:24 PM
Kareem Jackson is my #2 corner right now. I think he's gonna go higher than people are predicting, possibly as high as the top 15.

JFLO
03-29-2010, 09:29 PM
Kareem Jackson is my #2 corner right now. I think he's gonna go higher than people are predicting, possibly as high as the top 15.

This.

Kareem Jackson is a much better corner than people give him credit. I think he is best fit for a Cover 2 scheme, but he definitely has the athleticism to play in a man scheme as well, he'll probably just need a bit more development than in Cover 2.

My current top 5 corners:

1. Haden
2. Jackson
3. Wilson
4. McCourty
5. Robinson

I personally think this cornerback class is going to be great. I think Haden is a definite #1 guy at the next level while the other four have legitimate shots of being #1 guys as long as they develop properly.

Also, watch out for Jerome Murphy. If he goes to a team that will put their foot on his throat, then he's a lock to be a special player at the next level.