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TACKLE
05-31-2009, 03:19 PM
Here's a wide open thread to discuss Runningbacks. Post any thoughts or opinions on the RB's: your rankings, who's underrated, who's overrated, break out prospects, sleepers, best fits, etc. This is the place to break down the 2010 RB class.

YAYareaRB
05-31-2009, 04:04 PM
Harvey Unga is a monster!

superman8456
05-31-2009, 04:09 PM
Evan Royster is a stud. Im not sure if he will declare or not.

I also love Charles Scott. Its so hard to bring him down and he will be a great powerback in the NFL.

CashmoneyDrew
05-31-2009, 04:11 PM
My favorite "RB" is Brandon James, solely for his special teams ability. As an actually runningback I really really really like DeMarco Murray. Jonathan Dwyer and Charles Scott are my two favorite backs for carrying a full-load.

YAYareaRB
05-31-2009, 04:55 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_chbnMGy0IXI/SKSVtiHHN4I/AAAAAAAABlo/r4BqXn8UuUE/s320/a-Unga_2007EWU.jpg

BING

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06jdd0DeNu9H9/340x.jpg

BAM

http://photos.al.com/photos/alphotos/e5bbdd3278ea61f1af7087fc8912cf9f.jpg

THANK YOU SAM!

Don't mind me.. Just shouting out to all my Polynesian brothas that aren't playing O or D Line.

underscore
05-31-2009, 05:41 PM
Royster needs to prove he can carry a load. He averaged less than 15 carries per game last year as a starter.

SuperKevin
05-31-2009, 05:45 PM
I'm not really excited about any of the running backs this year. Actually I'm more excited about defensive players than offensive ones

Sniper
05-31-2009, 06:00 PM
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/11/05/sports/05roundup.1.600.jpg

Heisman.

Don Vito
05-31-2009, 06:36 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0c4p1zu7q33pA/610x.jpg

Senior Cordera Eason is the starter for Ole Miss as of now. He is phyically gifted at 6-0 230 but he has fumble problems. When he can hold on to the ball he is a very good back, but that was an issue for him at times last year which resulted in him losing a lot of carries last year to guys like Dex, Brandon Bolden, and Enrique Davis. He has the ability to emerge as a prospect if he can hold on to the ball but we have a lot of talent behind him, I bet sophmore Bolden winds up the starter with Dex and Eason both getting a lot of carries. I would like to see Eason start holding on to the ball though, he is a good blocker and receiver with a ton of talent.

nikkayeah
05-31-2009, 07:32 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03Xm4aF6WCeAH/610x.jpg
heisman

Mr. Hero
05-31-2009, 07:33 PM
http://media.buffalonews.com/smedia/2008/11/13/06/847-bn-20081113-D001-rubbermatchubvi-2147-MI0003.standalone.prod_affiliate.50.jpg
http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/football/pics/2006/action/starks-260831FB-579w.jpg
I know you're jealous.

YAYareaRB
05-31-2009, 07:41 PM
Faces of Fear

http://vmedia.rivals.com/uploads/886/526673.jpghttp://media.scout.com/Media/Image/54/549464.jpg

Charles on the inside.. Keiland on the outside.

SuperMcGee
05-31-2009, 08:18 PM
http://media.buffalonews.com/smedia/2008/11/13/06/847-bn-20081113-D001-rubbermatchubvi-2147-MI0003.standalone.prod_affiliate.50.jpg
http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/football/pics/2006/action/starks-260831FB-579w.jpg
I know you're jealous.

I don't get to be jealous. Only aroused.

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/James_Starks_Profile(1).JPG

Shazam!

Sniper
05-31-2009, 08:24 PM
I don't get to be jealous. Only aroused.

http://image.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/James_Starks_Profile(1).JPG

Shazam!

That guy was so beastly in NCAA '08 in my Buffalo franchise.

TACKLE
05-31-2009, 08:42 PM
That just happened.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/04Dget42V3aty/610x.jpg




Also, look out for Stafon Johnson. If he gets the touches, he could be one of the top backs in the draft. He is a complete back who is a very natural runner. He has the power to run inside and the speed and quickness to run outside. He has nice vision and can accelerate when he sees the whole. He can also break tackles and make guys miss at the second level. He does fumble a bit and some of the holes he runs through are huge but nonetheless, he has done very well when given the opportunity. I believe that if he was a full-time starter, he would be a first rounder.

YAYareaRB
05-31-2009, 11:21 PM
The SEC is looking pretty good when it comes to RBs.

Charles Scott, Keiland Williams - LSU
Jeff Demps, Chris Rainey - Florida
Caleb King - Georgia
Mark Ingram, Roy Upchurch - Alabama
Michael Smith - Arkansas
Ben Tate - Auburn
Cordera Eason, Enrique Davis, Brandon Bolden - Ole Miss

It's gonna be an exciting year in the SEC with all these quality backs. I'm also excited to see if Bryce Brown gets used in Tenn. David Oku is also a very quality back as well.

CashmoneyDrew
05-31-2009, 11:39 PM
It's gonna be an exciting year in the SEC with all these quality backs. I'm also excited to see if Bryce Brown gets used in Tenn. David Oku is also a very quality back as well.

Don't sleep on Toney Williams. He's the third and least heralded running back that the Vols signed in this class, but he was an early enrollee in Spring and he's really turning heads. He's a power back which is much needed for us. Also, don't count out Montario Hardesty. If he could just stay healthy he could be really good and end up being a draftable prospect in 2010.

SenorGato
05-31-2009, 11:57 PM
Royster is amazingly overrated, and Keiland Williams is underrated as hell outside of here.

I'm not a huge fan of the RB class, but Williams is going to be a stud in the NFL. Theres probably a couple of other RBs I like...Caleb King is another guy I really like.

critesy
06-01-2009, 12:03 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07jQfU7gwTeB0/610x.jpg

http://www.gulfeast.com/images/uploads/auburnversus/auburn_vs_tennessee_tech39.jpg

BOO YA!

Cicero
06-01-2009, 12:05 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0cyFbEqgB5fHE/610x.jpg

I'll just post the picture and save you from me repeating how much I love Devine.

DeathbyStat
06-01-2009, 06:54 AM
Evan Royster is a stud. Im not sure if he will declare or not.

I also love Charles Scott. Its so hard to bring him down and he will be a great powerback in the NFL.

Royster reminds me of matt forte

DiG
06-01-2009, 07:40 AM
jahvid best is just silly fast. reminds me so much of chris johnson. the guy averaged 8.1 yards per carry last year on almost 200 carries.

princefielder28
06-01-2009, 09:35 AM
CJ Spiller is my favorite senior back asd of right now. James Starks has the chance to move up as much as any RB in the senior class. LaGarrette Blount needs to show he can handle a full workload before people drool all over him.

the decider13
06-01-2009, 02:08 PM
http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/images/admin/outx.jpg

jbooshey
06-01-2009, 05:01 PM
technically he is draft eligible....and a freak...you'll see!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01KGfNzezq6WZ/610x.jpg

JRTPlaya21
06-01-2009, 05:34 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ebdcSNbQp3JX/610x.jpg

rockio42
06-01-2009, 05:34 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/026LbgY6XM9JA/610x.jpg

SUCKA FOO!!!!!!!

Todd Bertuzzi
06-01-2009, 05:40 PM
sig...............

JRTPlaya21
06-01-2009, 05:41 PM
I love Murray and McKnight as well.

GhostDeini
06-01-2009, 06:28 PM
Out of all the guys named, I feel only Dwyer or Scott have potential to be workhorses at the next level. Though I'm not in love with either. Guys like Murray, Devine, McKnight, Spiller will never ever be a professional teams' workhorse back getting 350 carries simply because they dont get the tough yards.

Sniper
06-01-2009, 06:29 PM
Out of all the guys named, I feel only Dwyer or Scott have potential to be workhorses at the next level. Though I'm not in love with either. Guys like Murray, Devine, McKnight, Spiller will never ever be a professional teams' workhorse back getting 350 carries simply because they dont get the tough yards.

With two-back systems now, that's not much of a concern. (The 350-carry thing)

SenorGato
06-01-2009, 07:28 PM
I forgot about Dwyer. Sick player.

Mr. Hero
06-01-2009, 08:34 PM
seriously how many backs got 350+ carries last year? And why couldn't Starks?

parrish_lemar24DBSkins
06-01-2009, 09:23 PM
Great pics, but names included would be nice.

LookItsAlDavis
06-01-2009, 11:10 PM
http://www.thewizofodds.com/.a/6a00e553e551d18834010535a01024970b-500wi Toby Gerhart from Stanford. I like him as a mid to late guy that could be a lot like Greg Jones. He'll might go play baseball though.

eaglesalltheway
06-02-2009, 06:58 AM
I'm a PSU fan, but I love Evan Royster, and thnk he will be a great NFL RB. I liek the Matt Forte comparison. I can't really think of any major differences between the two from a skill set or style of play perspective right now, but I'm sure the more I think about it there will be some minor differences that work their way into my head. But I think Royster will be just like Forte. He doesn't do anything exceptionally well, but does everything at a very high level. He is truly balanced, is able to shower power and elusiveness, sometimes all in one carry. If anything he is underrated at this point, I'm not sure if he would declare though. I like Jahvid Best, Charles Scott, DeMarco Murray, and a bunch of other RBs in this class. I think next year will be a pretty good class for RBs.

YAYareaRB
06-02-2009, 10:30 AM
http://www.thewizofodds.com/.a/6a00e553e551d18834010535a01024970b-500wi Toby Gerhart from Stanford. I like him as a mid to late guy that could be a lot like Greg Jones. He'll might go play baseball though.

With injuries I wouldn't be surprised if he picked baseball. But yeah, out here in Northern Cali WE LUVVVVV Tobe Gerhart

underscore
06-03-2009, 08:37 PM
I'm a PSU fan, but I love Evan Royster, and thnk he will be a great NFL RB. I liek the Matt Forte comparison. I can't really think of any major differences between the two from a skill set or style of play perspective right now, but I'm sure the more I think about it there will be some minor differences that work their way into my head. But I think Royster will be just like Forte. He doesn't do anything exceptionally well, but does everything at a very high level. He is truly balanced, is able to shower power and elusiveness, sometimes all in one carry. If anything he is underrated at this point, I'm not sure if he would declare though. I like Jahvid Best, Charles Scott, DeMarco Murray, and a bunch of other RBs in this class. I think next year will be a pretty good class for RBs.


What separates the two is Forte proved he could carry a full load in college. Royster hasn't shown that yet...and obviously still has time to.

eaglesalltheway
06-04-2009, 08:15 PM
What separates the two is Forte proved he could carry a full load in college. Royster hasn't shown that yet...and obviously still has time to.

Agreed he hasn't had too, but with the weapons PSU had last year in the passing game, as well as Green, who is also a very good RB, he hasn't had to. Forte was Tulane's best weapon, so he had more opportunities. I think Royster will se the ball more this year, but with Green, he may never be able to consisitently show that he is capable of carrying the load, though from watching him play, I honestly believe he is capable of doing so in the college level, and eve in the NFL level if he keeps showing consistency.

superman8456
06-04-2009, 08:55 PM
I love Murray and McKnight as well.

McKnight has failed horribly to live up to his rankings and expectations.

Sniper
06-04-2009, 09:17 PM
McKnight has failed horribly to live up to his rankings and expectations.

7.4 yards per carry last year is pretty decent.

superman8456
06-04-2009, 10:23 PM
7.4 yards per carry last year is pretty decent.

Yes, but he has 6 TD's (including receiving) in his career. And only two 100 yard rushing games (and a game with 99 yards).

All that being said, he isnt that impressive and hasnt lived up to expectations.

eaglesalltheway
06-04-2009, 10:31 PM
Yes, but he has 6 TD's (including receiving) in his career. And only two 100 yard rushing games (and a game with 99 yards).

All that being said, he isnt that impressive and hasnt lived up to expectations.

Think about all the other players in that USC offense that get their touches too. I mean i know you are think something along the lines of "If he was that good that wouldn't matter", and I can see that a little bit, but USC has elite talent all over that offense that warrant a bunch of touches, so his opportunities are limitted. We may not see it this year, but next year he will be able to better showcase what he can do.

superman8456
06-04-2009, 10:41 PM
Think about all the other players in that USC offense that get their touches too. I mean i know you are think something along the lines of "If he was that good that wouldn't matter", and I can see that a little bit, but USC has elite talent all over that offense that warrant a bunch of touches, so his opportunities are limitted. We may not see it this year, but next year he will be able to better showcase what he can do.

Yes, but USC seems to force some touches to him. For example he is the PR guy. He hasnt really taken advantage of that opportunity.

eaglesalltheway
06-04-2009, 10:58 PM
Yes, but USC seems to force some touches to him. For example he is the PR guy. He hasnt really taken advantage of that opportunity.

He is just too talented to not take advantage of his skills, and right now, he is their best option as a returner IMO.

Thumper
06-05-2009, 12:54 AM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0ebdcSNbQp3JX/610x.jpg

do you think Evans comes out?

Race for the Heisman
06-05-2009, 08:49 AM
do you think Evans comes out?

I don't really know much about the Hokies or his situation in particular, but ESPN makes it pretty well-known that he's got a young son. From what I've seen it looks like he has a good support system and good people around him, but whether that would influence him to jump early or would make him feel comfortable waiting I don't know. Marcus Freeman was in a somewhat similar situation and he chose to wait in order to graduate and all that jazz. I'm sure he (Freeman) probably feels it was the right decision, but everyone's different.

So in answer to the original question, while not directed at me, I think he stays, but like I said, I'm not really up on everything Virginia Tech.

TACKLE
06-18-2009, 12:00 PM
http://media.independentmail.com/and/content/img/photos/2008/09/27/00preCUmd026_t600.JPG

I'm becoming a CJ Spiller fan. Although I do question his ability to be an every down back, in today's NFL, nobody is required to be an every down back. Spiller reminds me a lot of Felix Jones. Both small, very fast home run hitters who have great hands coming out of the backfield. Felix Jones was the 22nd pick and I wouldn't be surprised if Spiller was picked in that range. The thing working against Spiller is the availability of guys like Best and Murray who are also guys who are very fast and are similar type players.

CC.SD
06-19-2009, 12:14 AM
Yes, but he has 6 TD's (including receiving) in his career. And only two 100 yard rushing games (and a game with 99 yards).

All that being said, he isnt that impressive and hasnt lived up to expectations.

He doesn't get the touches he should, honestly. But homer aside I have been understandably let down by McKnight, he is obviously no Reggie. I understand there will never be another one but you can't even call Joe a Reggie Jr. and he was certainly billed as such.

That said, he will get the spotlight this year, especially as we break in a new QB. If he can put up good numbers he will be a pretty shiny prospect because the measurables and moves will obviously be there.

themaninblack
06-19-2009, 01:55 AM
I'm rly hoping Caleb King has a breakout season. He has been somewhat disappointing in that I expected him to come on last season but he has ridiculous ability and I hope we see that this season. I really do think he has the ability to be even better than Knowshon but I need to see it happen.

TitansCJftw
06-19-2009, 02:33 AM
If jahvid best isnt a chris johnson clone then 2+2=5, love best and his pure speed he will be a great addition to a team that already has a nice power back, i see a lil love for darren evans from VT and while he is a solid RB he lacks "40 speed" and if i had to make a prediction now I would have to say his carries will likely get cut in half due to super recruit ryan williams who reportedly has "wowed" the VT staff this past spring, regardless i like evans as a prospect too and with his situation i wouldnt be suprised at all if he came out, also i think dwyer is a product of the option system and while he'll be a decent power/get that first down runner in the nfl I definently dont see him as a carry the load type guy that so many others have man crushed him as

stephenson86
06-19-2009, 05:39 AM
is it just me or has anyone else noticed that aside from spiller the majority of top senior backs are tipping the scales at 230lbs?????? got to say i cant remember a RB class in recent times that was so big

eaglesalltheway
06-19-2009, 06:34 AM
I notcied that as well, but some of the underclassmen are big as well, though many of the top underclassmen RBs are in the 195-210 range as well.

stephenson86
06-19-2009, 07:46 AM
going to be a hell of a lot of RB committees in the 2010/2011 season with a lot of the smaller backs getting bigger counterparts. Good chance tennessee may replace fat ass this coming draft....one can only hope lol

TitansCJftw
06-19-2009, 01:52 PM
Good chance tennessee may replace fat ass this coming draft....one can only hope lol

2nd that, I hope titans finally dump lenwhale white :)

CashmoneyDrew
06-19-2009, 04:03 PM
I thought Darren Evans was a true Sophomore this season?

dogthebountyhunter
06-23-2009, 12:35 PM
http://blog.pennlive.com/joehermitt/2008/10/large_royster.jpg

Sniper
06-23-2009, 12:38 PM
That right there shows Morgan Trent's versatility. Not only does he fail at pass coverage, but he also fails at run support!

roscoesdad27
06-24-2009, 11:30 AM
1) J. Dwyer...beast
2) C.J. Spiller...underated due to last years lack of production ut that was true for ll of clemsons skill players (harper, kelly, davis) because of an o.l. that was breaking in 5 new starters!
3) L. Blount...beast
4) J. Best...love the chris johnson comparisons with his straight line speed...spiller is more of a reggie bush type with better shake and versatility
5) J. McKnight...tremendous talent with an over 7 yards per carry average will be a better pro than college back.

dogthebountyhunter
06-24-2009, 01:35 PM
That right there shows Morgan Trent's versatility. Not only does he fail at pass coverage, but he also fails at run support!


There is a youtube video of Stephfon Green's touchdown in the game last year that I wish I could link but it is blocked at work. It was another fine display of tackling by Morgan Trent.

Sniper
06-24-2009, 02:39 PM
There is a youtube video of Stephfon Green's touchdown in the game last year that I wish I could link but it is blocked at work. It was another fine display of tackling by Morgan Trent.

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About 15 seconds in.

thenewfeature06
06-24-2009, 03:26 PM
ACC backs will be very solid this year :

G-tech : Dwyer
Maryland : Dar'ell Scott
BC : Montell Harris will be a sophmore
last year- 900 yards on 179 carries only 5 TD but is a sleeper IMO
Clemson : CJ Spiller
FSU : Jermaine Thomas - sophmore
Miami : rotation with Bryce, Javarris, and Graig Cooper
North Carolina :
http://media.scout.com/media/image/61/613024.jpg

Shaun Draughn and Ryan Houston

NC State : Losing Andre Brown sucks but they have 2 solid backs in Jamelle Eugene and Curtis Underwood
Virginia : No more peerman but Mikell Simpson is decent
V-tech : Darren Evans and Kenny Lewis Jr,
Evans freshmen year had 1200+ yards and 11 TDs including a 253 yard performace against UMD
Wake : Pendergrass , Josh Adams , Kevin Harris will always be rotating but Boldin is the true offensive weapon for the Deacs

superman8456
06-25-2009, 02:04 AM
Chris Rainey will be eligible...if that helps at all.

IMO he will be a great return man

Preston
06-26-2009, 04:51 PM
Jonathan Dwyer has been mentioned, but I feel he's the top back in this class. He has enough power to be a featured back, but he also has the speed to get some breakaway runs. A very well-rounded runner.

Saints 4 Lyfe
06-27-2009, 02:08 AM
Man Chuck "The Truck" Scott is not getting hardly any love.

What about him shows he won't be a good productive back?

He's 5'11 233 has no history of injuries and for his size has very quick feet and more than decent speed.

Last year as a Junior he had 1,174 yards and 18 rushing TD's (led the SEC) splitting carries with Keiland Williams, Richard Murphy, and Trindon Holiday.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/08/sports/08bcs_slide3.jpg

http://www.lsutopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/charles-scott1-237x300.jpg

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wicket
06-27-2009, 03:56 AM
Man Chuck "The Truck" Scott is not getting hardly any love.

What about him shows he won't be a good productive back?

He's 5'11 233 has no history of injuries and for his size has very quick feet and more than decent speed.

Last year as a Junior he had 1,174 yards and 18 rushing TD's (led the SEC) splitting carries with Keiland Williams, Richard Murphy, and Trindon Holiday.


I want him to be a saint, i think we can get him third or fourth round and make our backfield complete with him.

CashmoneyDrew
06-27-2009, 11:55 AM
Even though he's from Florida, I have a man-crush on this guy and he needs to be a Titan.....

http://www.collegefootballfansite.com/images/photos/1901.jpg
Brandon James if you didn't know.

superman8456
06-27-2009, 12:07 PM
Man Chuck "The Truck" Scott is not getting hardly any love.

What about him shows he won't be a good productive back?

He's 5'11 233 has no history of injuries and for his size has very quick feet and more than decent speed.

Last year as a Junior he had 1,174 yards and 18 rushing TD's (led the SEC) splitting carries with Keiland Williams, Richard Murphy, and Trindon Holiday.



I wanted him to declare last year so the Eagles could draft him and get that smash and dash combo with Westbrook and Scott.

He's an absolute monster. Everytime I watched LSU last year, Scott was impossible to bring down.

eaglesalltheway
06-27-2009, 12:37 PM
I want him to be a saint, i think we can get him third or fourth round and make our backfield complete with him.

If he can have a similar season to last year, he may not be available in the second day, he may work his way up into the second round, or maybe even late first.

OneToughGame
06-27-2009, 04:14 PM
Even though he's from Florida, I have a man-crush on this guy and he needs to be a Titan.....

http://www.collegefootballfansite.com/images/photos/1901.jpg
Brandon James if you didn't know.

Really? I mean you already have Chris Johnson.. You guys just need a better Lenwhale lol.

CashmoneyDrew
06-27-2009, 05:02 PM
Really? I mean you already have Chris Johnson.. You guys just need a better Lenwhale lol.

I want him for kick return abilities alone. Anything he would add after that would be icing on the cake.

TitanHope
06-27-2009, 09:21 PM
going to be a hell of a lot of RB committees in the 2010/2011 season with a lot of the smaller backs getting bigger counterparts. Good chance tennessee may replace fat ass this coming draft....one can only hope lol

2nd that, I hope titans finally dump lenwhale white :)

Men, I present our savior!!!

http://media.commercialappeal.com/mca/content/img/photos/2007/10/06/7cf1g.jpeg
http://static.flickr.com/3094/2894943295_a42d58e959.jpg

And he blocks kicks!!!

http://tnjn.com/content/storyimage/2008/10/26/montario_hardesty_block.box.jpg

<333


Even though he's from Florida, I have a man-crush on this guy and he needs to be a Titan.....

http://www.collegefootballfansite.com/images/photos/1901.jpg
Brandon James if you didn't know.

Brandon James... *shudders* Just the name makes me cringe.

I like me some Chris Rainey a little bit more though! ;)

CashmoneyDrew
06-27-2009, 09:50 PM
Montario Hardesty is a horse. Too bad(for his sake) he'll probably lose his starting spot to Bryce Brown early on just because. Even if he stays healthy.

TitansCJftw
06-27-2009, 10:05 PM
while we're talking about lenwhale white replacements i always liked this guy since i saw him as a freshman, he is a tank on a sh*t team
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0454580cUg41y/610x.jpg

TACKLE
08-15-2009, 01:46 PM
What do you guys think of Toby Gerhart as a prospect?

Hines
08-15-2009, 04:48 PM
James Starks for me. He might have some injury concerns because he is tall, but he is a beast nonetheless.

TACKLE
08-15-2009, 05:09 PM
James Starks for me. He might have some injury concerns because he is tall, but he is a beast nonetheless.

I'm also a Starks fan. He's got good size, good speed and he's a good all around back. He's definitely underrated right now.

Smoke14
08-21-2009, 06:20 PM
I hope someone comes out of no where this year to dominate ala Shonn Greene because we(Browns) need a back badly and I don't like any of the softies eligible for this draft except Charles Scott and I have concerns about his big play everydown abilities. We'll see.

Oh, and C.J. Gable I like this kid a lot should he declare. IMO far and away the most talented back of the USC bunch and certainly ready to take his game to the NFL. Johnson and McKight have some manning up to do if they want to make it in a physical NFL.

Hines
08-21-2009, 06:24 PM
I hope someone comes out of no where this year to dominate ala Shonn Greene because we(Browns) need a back badly and I don't like any of the softies eligible for this draft except Charles Scott and I have concerns about his big play everydown abilities. We'll see.

Oh, and C.J. Gable I like this kid a lot should he declare. IMO far and away the most talented back of the USC bunch and certainly ready to take his game to the NFL. Johnson and McKight have some manning up to do if they want to make it in a physical NFL.

I think James Davis and Jerome Harrison can do a fabolous job for you guys.

YAYareaRB
08-21-2009, 06:32 PM
AAAHHHHHHHHH

http://www.deseretnews.com/photos/midres/4850642.jpg

Smoke14
08-21-2009, 08:13 PM
I think James Davis and Jerome Harrison can do a fabolous job for you guys.

You can't be serious.

I'm the biggest Browns fan you'll ever meet and I don't believe that nonsense.

Neither of these two guys are everydown take over and run the clock out type players. Harrison can't pass protect to save his life and have very limited physical abilities. Plan and simple he is an ultra talented scat back and nothing more. James Davis is a very solid #2 type guy. He'll do great and have a long NFL career in the form of a Chester Taylor or LaMount Jordon ect. He's never fumbles and has the physical abilities to run inside and outside, but he'll never be able to take over games or ice close games away in the late stages.

Sorry, but we need better in Cleveland...especially if we ever want to renew the rivalry with Pittsburgh.

YAYareaRB
08-21-2009, 08:48 PM
Neither of these two guys are everydown take over and run the clock out type players?

Every down back? What the hell is that?

TACKLE
08-22-2009, 02:06 PM
Here's a sleeper RB prospect to be aware of....

Andre Anderson from Tulane. He's a 6'0 211lb senior. Last year he only played in 7 games but he average 123.4 yards per game and scored 7 TD's. He fairly strong back who seems like he's always able to squeeze out a couple extra yards. This could be a guy who poised for a breakout season.

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YAYareaRB
08-22-2009, 02:12 PM
Here's a sleeper RB prospect to be aware of....

Andre Anderson from Tulane. He's a 6'0 211lb senior. Last year he only played in 7 games but he average 123.4 yards per game and scored 7 TD's. He fairly strong back who seems like he's always able to squeeze out a couple extra yards. This could be a guy who poised for a breakout season.

MtUuseJjmCE

Aaahhhh I hate his lack of knee bend while running but he seems to get the job done. I'll have to watch more of him to get an idea of a comparison. He definitely looks comfortable catching the ball out of the backfield.

Smoke14
08-22-2009, 06:00 PM
Every down back? What the hell is that?

You know just what I meant buddy. No player is ever going to play every down of every game except maybe lineman and quarterbacks, but you know good and well what I meant. Our current running backs aren't the do it all type backs they can't run inside, outside, be quick, be physical, catch and pass protect. Sure very few backs in the NFL can do all those things, but that is the type of back Cleveland needs to replace a broken down Lewis who himself used to be such a back.

BamaFalcon59
08-23-2009, 11:35 AM
John Clay from Wisconsin is going to be a monster. 6'2" 245 with speed.

The VT trio of Ryan Williams, David Wilson, and Josh Oglesby will be special as well. RW is maybe the most talented back to ever play at VT, and Wilson is right there as well.

RW is a redshirt freshman, lightening quick and shifty. Very hard to bring down. Not slow. About 5'9"/ 5'10" 210.

DW is a true freshman, maybe the fastest player on the team. 4.33 as a true freshman, and this was freshman testing. Not the testing where our times are inflated. Also squats 600+ pounds. Won the triple jump last year and broke some record or something like that. May qualify for the olympics if he keeps with it. One cut and go runner with toughness. About 5'10" 195.

TACKLE
08-23-2009, 07:11 PM
I like Da'Rel Scott. He's got a really good burst, quick feet and he can break tackles. I really like how he runs hard. His style of play kind of reminds me of Knowshon but like Knowshon, he doesn't have great break-away speed. He'll need to put on a bit of weight but he should have a junior year.

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TitansCJftw
08-23-2009, 07:39 PM
i remember andre anderson beating up on my pirates last year, although we won, definently an under the radar guy, o and TACKLE dude the grammar on your da'rell scott post is AWESOME i mean i literally loled keep gettin er done bro haha! "but he should have a junior year" "he style of play" "i really like runs really hard" that is some classis stuff NICE! :)

dabears10
08-23-2009, 08:03 PM
I like Da'Rel Scott. He's got a really good burst, quick feet and he can break tackles. I really like runs really hard. He style of play kind of reminds me of Knowshon but like Knowshon, he doesn't have great break-away speed. He'll need to put on a bit of weight but he should have a junior year.

He runs like Matt Forte. How is his pass catching?

TACKLE
08-23-2009, 09:03 PM
i remember andre anderson beating up on my pirates last year, although we won, definently an under the radar guy, o and TACKLE dude the grammar on your da'rell scott post is AWESOME i mean i literally loled keep gettin er done bro haha! "but he should have a junior year" "he style of play" "i really like runs really hard" that is some classis stuff NICE! :)

I fixed it for you. My grammar's been kind of ****** today. I'm just having an off day and am pretty out of it. Today, during dinner, I dropped my burger and spilt my pop about two minutes apart. Just one of those days.

mellojello
08-23-2009, 10:08 PM
Jonathan Dwyer has been mentioned, but I feel he's the top back in this class. He has enough power to be a featured back, but he also has the speed to get some breakaway runs. A very well-rounded runner.I'm with you on this one. This guys seems to have the complete package and I'm not sure what more you could want your RB to do. I say him and Jahvid Best are the top two RB's in the nation.

BamaFalcon59
08-23-2009, 10:33 PM
I fixed it for you. My grammar's been kind of ****** today. I'm just having an off day and am pretty out of it. Today, during dinner, I dropped my burger and spilt my pop about two minutes apart. Just one of those days.

I definitely thought that that said grandma, not grammar.

Hahahahaha. Didn't notice it until the second or third time I entered the thread.

YAYareaRB
08-23-2009, 11:52 PM
You know just what I meant buddy. No player is ever going to play every down of every game except maybe lineman and quarterbacks, but you know good and well what I meant. Our current running backs aren't the do it all type backs they can't run inside, outside, be quick, be physical, catch and pass protect. Sure very few backs in the NFL can do all those things, but that is the type of back Cleveland needs to replace a broken down Lewis who himself used to be such a back.

A back like Lewis (or at least what he used to be) doesn't come around often anymore. Most of the backs drafted in the past couple years have been used as number 2 guys or are the 1st guy in the two back system. There isn't very many (if any) every down RB's anymore so I think the flaw that so and so isn't a every down RB will continue to mean nothing.

I think Frank Gore was the last of the every down backs but with the emergence of Glenn Coffee, we don't have to worry about running Gore into the ground.

TACKLE
08-24-2009, 12:05 AM
I know the 2-back system is sexy but I have no problem with a workhorse back taking 25+ carries a game. Although a breather is nice, some runningbacks get stronger as the game goes on. They get a great feel for the game and they continue to wear down opponents and grind it out. Then they are able to start breaking longer runs and taking over in the 4th quarter. If you have a back like this, why not let him do what he does best; grind.

YAYareaRB
08-24-2009, 12:08 AM
I know the 2-back system is sexy but I have no problem with a workhorse back taking 25+ carries a game. Although a breather is nice, some runningbacks get stronger as the game goes on. They get a great feel for the game and they continue to wear down opponents and grind it out. Then they are able to start breaking longer runs and taking over in the 4th quarter. If you have a back like this, why not let him do what he does best; grind.

I really can't name a team that's gonna be handing the ball of to any one guy 30 times a game.

TitansCJftw
08-24-2009, 12:21 AM
I really can't name a team that's gonna be handing the ball of to any one guy 30 times a game.

i'll holler at you at the end of the season

YAYareaRB
08-24-2009, 12:23 AM
i'll holler at you at the end of the season

With Lendale White slimming down, it's gonna be hard not to give him the ball.

TitansCJftw
08-24-2009, 12:32 AM
uh-oh hater alert! LOL ;)

TACKLE
08-24-2009, 12:38 AM
I really can't name a team that's gonna be handing the ball of to any one guy 30 times a game.

I know. LJ and Gore were probably the last two. I'm just saying the two-back system isn't a neccessity if you got the right back.

CashmoneyDrew
08-24-2009, 01:19 AM
With Lendale White slimming down, it's gonna be hard not to give him the ball.

Lendale hasn't actually gotten too many carries so far this preseason. I don't think it's an indicator of the regular season, but it has been noticeable.

PACKmanN
08-24-2009, 09:59 AM
Here's a sleeper RB prospect to be aware of....

Andre Anderson from Tulane. He's a 6'0 211lb senior. Last year he only played in 7 games but he average 123.4 yards per game and scored 7 TD's. He fairly strong back who seems like he's always able to squeeze out a couple extra yards. This could be a guy who poised for a breakout season.

MtUuseJjmCE

reminds me of Brandon Jackson.

BamaFalcon59
08-24-2009, 03:46 PM
I really can't name a team that's gonna be handing the ball of to any one guy 30 times a game.

Michael Turner. Wont be 30 times a game, but he should be over 320. AP will be right there as well.

Smoke14
08-24-2009, 10:01 PM
Just because I say everydown back doesn't mean I want that player on the field every snap. I just don't want to be giving the defense the edge like we do now. Every defense in the NFL knows what we are going to do when Lewis is in the game because he is terrible with screens and in the passing game, but Harrison can't pass protect to save his life so everyone knows its a draw, screen or run for him....and on down the line. We are too easy to read right now. If we find a back who has the ability to be powerful inside, quick to the outside, catch the ball, and pass protect then the defense will be hard pressed to know what to look for on that down. A guy like C.J. Gable has all those abilities, but he doesn't have to carry the ball 25-30 times each game to be effective. I want an all around talented back not looking for a guy who can shoulder the whole load.

TACKLE
08-24-2009, 10:12 PM
reminds me of Brandon Jackson.

I like that comparison.

SuperMcGee
08-25-2009, 11:54 AM
James Starks is now out for the year. ******* **** ****.
Labrum tear.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4421472

TACKLE
08-25-2009, 12:16 PM
James Starks is now out for the year. ******* **** ****.
Labrum tear.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4421472

That sucks. He's a RS Senior. Is he going to be able to get a sixth year of elidgibility?

SuperKevin
08-25-2009, 08:52 PM
That sucks. He's a RS Senior. Is he going to be able to get a sixth year of elidgibility?

He'll probably just rest up and prepare for the draft. He'll now be a big steal in the 2nd/3rd round

TACKLE
08-25-2009, 08:59 PM
He'll probably just rest up and prepare for the draft. He'll now be a big steal in the 2nd/3rd round

He won't go that high. He was probably a 2nd/3rd rounder before the injury. Probably more likely in the 4th/6th range. Really unfortunate for him. I hope test well and does whatever he can to raise his stock.

SuperKevin
08-25-2009, 09:02 PM
He won't go that high. He was probably a 2nd/3rd rounder before the injury. Probably more likely in the 4th/6th range. Really unfortunate for him. I hope test well and does whatever he can to raise his stock.

I had him as a late 1st rounder. A lot of scouts really like him.

SeanTaylorRIP
08-25-2009, 09:03 PM
Javhid Best I think will be the top overall prospect in the draft, but my favorite college back right now is Evan RoyStar. He is just such a natural runner. You can't teach the type of patience, vision, and natural skillset he has. He isn't flashy but the game just comes so easy to him. Granted I was also a big Tony Hunt fan when he was coming out and PSU backs don't have a great track record but Royster I think is different. He could be on the field a whole lot this season. I heard he could be the punt returner this season and will also be playing a lot of slot receiver when he's not in the backfield.

TACKLE
08-25-2009, 09:05 PM
Javhid Best I think will be the top overall prospect in the draft, but my favorite college back right now is Evan RoyStar. He is just such a natural runner. You can't teach the type of patience, vision, and natural skillset he has. He isn't flashy but the game just comes so easy to him.

Top RB prospect or top prospect in the draft.

SeanTaylorRIP
08-25-2009, 09:06 PM
Sorry RB prospect.

TACKLE
08-26-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm on the Charles Scott bandwagon. The guy is a beast. Big back (5'11 233) who never goes down on the first hit and is alway pumping his legs. He has great vision and has nice burst when he sees the hole and enough long speed to break the big play.

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Smoke14
08-27-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm with you on the Charles Scott wagon. Everyone says he's too slow for the NFL, but I say nay you fool the NFL is a physical game first and a game of speed second. He's a mans man with the rock in his hands. I'd welcome him to Cleveland anyday.

Saints-Tigers
08-27-2009, 06:43 PM
I like all 3 LSU backs, Scott, Williams, and Holliday.

Keiland is the most talented in my opinion, but Scott is a grown ass man, love watching him run the ball.

SenorGato
08-28-2009, 12:26 AM
I'm on the Charles Scott bandwagon. The guy is a beast. Big back (5'11 233) who never goes down on the first hit and is alway pumping his legs. He has great vision and has nice burst when he sees the hole and enough long speed to break the big play.

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People sleep on Keiland Williams. I think he's Michael Turner 2.0 in the NFL...unless he busts. That would suck.

TACKLE
08-28-2009, 01:38 AM
People sleep on Keiland Williams. I think he's Michael Turner 2.0 in the NFL...unless he busts. That would suck.

I don't think people sleep on Keiland. Many people thought he was going to breakout and be the guy at LSU and many thought he was going to be a first round pick. Then Scott took over as the starter and played great in the SEC. Keiland definitely has some ability at 225 running in the 4.4's but he needs to produce on the field. If he can run for 750+ yards, I could see him going in the 3rd or 4th round based on potential.

holt_bruce81
08-28-2009, 03:47 AM
Derrick Washington, Mizzou
http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Oklahoma+State+v+Missouri+ETif5Thz2-wm.jpg
- Very good player, isn't the fastest back (Spoon and his 4.45 speed outruns him) but he's hard to bring down, has good vision and terrific hands, is even lined up at Receiver from time to time in Missouri's offense.

YAYareaRB
08-29-2009, 06:18 PM
Familiarize yourselves.

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SeanTaylorRIP
08-29-2009, 06:23 PM
Oh another guy to look out for is Maryland's Da'Rel Scott. Someone else here made the comparison before but he truly looks like the collegiate version of Brian Westbrook. Last year despite missing games with injury or at least being bugged throughout the season he still rushed for over 1100 yards, 8 TD's, no fumbles, and 5.3 ypc. He's the next in line of Maryland freaks, as he could be the fastest RB in the nation and will definitely run a 40 time at the combine in the 4.3's. Unlike DHB though he has the production to back it up. He has star written all over him. He's 5-11" and 200 pounds. Lance Meggett the powerback will share carries with him, but Scott could be huge this season and could declare with a big season. He has great hands, and excellent speed, with deceiving power and toughness:

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BamaFalcon59
08-29-2009, 06:26 PM
People sleep on Keiland Williams. I think he's Michael Turner 2.0 in the NFL...unless he busts. That would suck.

What do you mean by Michael Turner 2.0?

I could see Keiland becoming a NFL starter one day, but he doesn't have near the power, vision, or toughness that Michael Turner has.

YAYareaRB
08-29-2009, 06:40 PM
What do you mean by Michael Turner 2.0?

I could see Keiland becoming a NFL starter one day, but he doesn't have near the power, vision, or toughness that Michael Turner has.

Maybe not the power, but he has exceptional power and may be faster than Michael Turner anyway..

BamaFalcon59
08-29-2009, 06:48 PM
Maybe not the power, but he has exceptional power and may be faster than Michael Turner anyway..

I'm sure his top end speed is better, but that's about it. Explosion is about the same, but Turner is more explosive in game due to his outstanding vision. Especially on cutbacks. Power isn't close, Turner is maybe the toughest back in the league to tackle and consistantly shows a second and third effort on runs. Also, Turner is 5'10" 240-250, Williams is 6'0" 225. Not even close.

Keiland has measurables, that is about it at this point. He hasn't rushed for 500 yards in any single season, and has fifteen collegiate touchdowns. And he won't start as a senior in all liklihood.

I love Michael Turner.

TACKLE
08-29-2009, 09:15 PM
Oh another guy to look out for is Maryland's Da'Rel Scott. Someone else here made the comparison before but he truly looks like the collegiate version of Brian Westbrook. Last year despite missing games with injury or at least being bugged throughout the season he still rushed for over 1100 yards, 8 TD's, no fumbles, and 5.3 ypc. He's the next in line of Maryland freaks, as he could be the fastest RB in the nation and will definitely run a 40 time at the combine in the 4.3's. Unlike DHB though he has the production to back it up. He has star written all over him. He's 5-11" and 200 pounds. Lance Meggett the powerback will share carries with him, but Scott could be huge this season and could declare with a big season. He has great hands, and excellent speed, with deceiving power and toughness:

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I'm becoming a big fan of his. I really like how he runs. He actually kind of reminds me of Knowshon. Though the one thing is, when I watch him play, I don't see that long breakaway speed. He has a nice burst but based of watching him play, I'd be very surprised if he ran a 4.3.

SeanTaylorRIP
08-29-2009, 09:35 PM
In spring timings his high was 4.42 his low 4.37, and yeah gaining weight has slowed him down a bit but I know when he was in high school he was the Maryland state champ at 100 and 200 meters. I get the Moreno comparison as he runs like him a bit but I think he's definitely faster while Moreno is more powerful and right now a much more skilled runner in terms of vision and patience.

Smoke14
08-29-2009, 10:38 PM
Familiarize yourselves.

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Big fella with some niffty footwork and great hands! I like it. Damn I wish I could watch more of these west coast unknowns. I have never seen, nor will I probably ever get to see Harvey Unga play on Television being out here in Ohio. The only west coast stuff we get is that crap from USC. Seriously, we get it they are good, but they don't need to be the only team on TV.

Race for the Heisman
08-30-2009, 03:40 PM
Familiarize yourselves.

IslHdkd9pD8

Looks like a mixture between Matt Forte (c. 65%) and Shonn Greene (c. 35%), to use recent prospects.

mellojello
08-30-2009, 10:53 PM
Oh another guy to look out for is Maryland's Da'Rel Scott. Someone else here made the comparison before but he truly looks like the collegiate version of Brian Westbrook. Last year despite missing games with injury or at least being bugged throughout the season he still rushed for over 1100 yards, 8 TD's, no fumbles, and 5.3 ypc. He's the next in line of Maryland freaks, as he could be the fastest RB in the nation and will definitely run a 40 time at the combine in the 4.3's. Unlike DHB though he has the production to back it up. He has star written all over him. He's 5-11" and 200 pounds. Lance Meggett the powerback will share carries with him, but Scott could be huge this season and could declare with a big season. He has great hands, and excellent speed, with deceiving power and toughness:

8zV3UeqqHT4Oh boy, Cal is going to have it's hands full with those two guys. It's going to be a great game though and we're going to get to see some damn good RB's.

TACKLE
10-02-2009, 09:41 PM
Here's a name to be aware of.......Ryan Mathews from Fresno State.

Matthews is junior who has been tearing it up this season. He has 592 yards, 2nd in the nation in yards per game (148 ypg), including a 234 yard 3 TD performance against Boise. He's got really good size at 5'11 220 and clearly has some breakaway speed to go along with great balance and an impressive burst. Honestly, I haven't really seen much of him but from what I have seen, I've been very impressed. The guy has definitely got the size and speed and know the prodction is following. If he can continue to produce and play at a high level, look out for him in this years draft. Look for him to surprise a lot of people.

Sophomore Highlights
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3TD Game agaisnt Boise this year.
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TACKLE
10-02-2009, 10:03 PM
edit: Double Post

Cicero
10-02-2009, 10:04 PM
I watched the Boise game and he was dominating that defense.

princefielder28
10-02-2009, 10:22 PM
I watched the Boise game and he was dominating that defense.

Ryan Matthews is sick...very exciting prospect

TACKLE
10-03-2009, 01:44 AM
Ryan Matthews is sick...very exciting prospect

I think in this years class of undersized, speedy, slasher backs, Mathews may be able to seperate himself from the rest with his prototypical size and NFL tools.

JFLO
10-03-2009, 08:23 AM
Trent Richardson will be a Top 10 pick in 2012

Just thought I would throw that in there.

Falcon<3
10-03-2009, 08:42 AM
Looks like a mixture between Matt Forte (c. 65%) and Shonn Greene (c. 35%), to use recent prospects.

Mike Alstott - with a little less power than the A-Train

underscore
10-03-2009, 08:47 AM
Javhid Best I think will be the top overall prospect in the draft, but my favorite college back right now is Evan RoyStar. He is just such a natural runner. You can't teach the type of patience, vision, and natural skillset he has. He isn't flashy but the game just comes so easy to him. Granted I was also a big Tony Hunt fan when he was coming out and PSU backs don't have a great track record but Royster I think is different. He could be on the field a whole lot this season. I heard he could be the punt returner this season and will also be playing a lot of slot receiver when he's not in the backfield.

Royster has stunk so far this year. Albeit, so has his OL, but he hasn't looked good at all. He had a crucial fumble that ended a drive deep in Iowa territory last week.

slimcharles
10-03-2009, 10:42 AM
Royster has stunk so far this year. Albeit, so has his OL, but he hasn't looked good at all. He had a crucial fumble that ended a drive deep in Iowa territory last week.

As a Penn State fan, I love Royster, but he doesn't have the burst to be special at the next level. I think he has a very similar skillset to Correll Buckhalter

underscore
10-03-2009, 11:29 AM
I'm not talking about burst. All the things he was complimented for coming into the season (vision, balance, etc) he hasn't shown much of.

Hurricanes25
10-03-2009, 11:33 AM
Ryan Matthews is sick...very exciting prospect

He is by far my favorite RB prospect. IMO, he has everything you look for in a RB.

danzing1488
10-03-2009, 06:10 PM
Toby Gerhart is my man, 6'1 235lbs, beast of a runner, in my eyes compares very favorably to Chris Wells from Ohio State. Displays great feet for a big guy, can make people miss if he has to, and has great speed for his size. Late first round, early second round is my guess at his draft position. He HAS to time well for some reason (both Chris Wells & Knowshon Moreno ran mid 4.6's, but that didn't stop either from being first round picks, so the same should apply to Gerhart). Very impressive today against UCLA, keep it up big man!

Supporting Caste
10-03-2009, 06:52 PM
I'm on the Mathews bandwagon. He's been incredibly productive throughout all four years he has played.

John Clay is a very intriguing player as an athletic specimen, and he showed significant improvement in his fundamentals (vision, pad level, balance) today. He's probably 250 right now and can probably run a 4.4 or better on today's stopwatches.

Babylon
10-03-2009, 06:54 PM
Toby Gerhart is my man, 6'1 235lbs, beast of a runner, in my eyes compares very favorably to Chris Wells from Ohio State. Displays great feet for a big guy, can make people miss if he has to, and has great speed for his size. Late first round, early second round is my guess at his draft position. He HAS to time well for some reason (both Chris Wells & Knowshon Moreno ran mid 4.6's, but that didn't stop either from being first round picks, so the same should apply to Gerhart). Very impressive today against UCLA, keep it up big man!

Runs a 4.6 so his time is as good as most big backs. To me he's a better runner between the tackles than a Brain Leonard, who might draw some comparisons. He's probably a John Riggins clone with a little less speed.

SuperKevin
10-04-2009, 12:59 PM
Any chance we see Joe McKnight declare? I really like him. Brings everything that Reggie Bush brought to the table but seems to run much harder than Bush ever did.

Hines
10-04-2009, 01:01 PM
I'm not talking about burst. All the things he was complimented for coming into the season (vision, balance, etc) he hasn't shown much of.

Well when your offensive line isn't that good, it's hard to run.

BigBanger
10-04-2009, 01:09 PM
Any chance we see Joe McKnight declare? I really like him. Brings everything that Reggie Bush brought to the table but seems to run much harder than Bush ever did.
He's not even half the player Bush was. Not even half. Bush was also a much better runner in college. McKnight is nothing more than a 5th rounder.

Runs a 4.6 so his time is as good as most big backs. To me he's a better runner between the tackles than a Brain Leonard, who might draw some comparisons. He's probably a John Riggins clone with a little less speed.
You might think Riggins was faster because everyone around him was slower. He probably couldn't crack the 4.8s.

Babylon
10-04-2009, 01:28 PM
He's not even half the player Bush was. Not even half. Bush was also a much better runner in college. McKnight is nothing more than a 5th rounder.


You might think Riggins was faster because everyone around him was slower. He probably couldn't crack the 4.8s.

Riggins was a 2 time Kansas 100 yd dash champ (9.6). Do you think he played back in the twenties or something?

critesy
10-04-2009, 03:04 PM
ben tate, auburn (5-11 217) had a huge game against a good tennesse defense

25 - 128 - 5.1 - 1 td

he had eric berrys number the whole game too, breaking tackles and stiff arming him numerous times.

JFLO
10-04-2009, 03:07 PM
ben tate, auburn (5-11 217) had a huge game against a good tennesse defense

25 - 128 - 5.1 - 1 td

he had eric berrys number the whole game too, breaking tackles and stiff arming him numerous times.

I'm a big Ben Tate fan. He's got to stay healthy, but he has the package to be a solid contributor at the next level.

Starting material off the back may be a bit of a stretch, but I really like his potential at the next level to be a nice complimentary back and maybe to develop into a starter 4-5 years down the line.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-04-2009, 03:56 PM
Any chance we see Joe McKnight declare? I really like him. Brings everything that Reggie Bush brought to the table but seems to run much harder than Bush ever did.

I have to disagree with that. Bush ran really hard in college. McKnight is such a floater. He'll keep trying to string it outside until he runs out of room. He's the biggest east-west runner in the college game. He also isn't has strong as Bush, doesn't have the same change of direction, top end speed, and explosion, as well as not being as good as a receiver.

critesy
10-04-2009, 04:10 PM
I'm a big Ben Tate fan. He's got to stay healthy, but he has the package to be a solid contributor at the next level.

Starting material off the back may be a bit of a stretch, but I really like his potential at the next level to be a nice complimentary back and maybe to develop into a starter 4-5 years down the line.

mhm he just needs to hold on to the ball better and continue to be consistent with his running this year.

critesy
10-04-2009, 05:09 PM
http://theauburner.com/images/tatesmash.gif

SuperKevin
10-04-2009, 05:09 PM
Jesus. Berry really did get punked on that one

djp
10-06-2009, 04:48 AM
http://theauburner.com/images/tatesmash.gif

Such a bad play by Eric Berry. Those are the types of plays that NFL scouts hate.

Wrap up -- you're not Ronnie Lott. Stop trying to act like it.

ElectricEye
10-06-2009, 11:20 AM
I was late to seeing the youtube video of that. Christ, that was bad. Berry is a big time hitter, but he really got punished there.

JFLO
10-06-2009, 11:24 AM
I've always wondered how Berry would do against bigger backs like Brandon Jacobs and Steven Jackson.

From the looks of that video, it doesn't look pretty.

I doubt he would go for a big time shoulder hit though on those types of backs instead of just lunging for the legs.

ElectricEye
10-06-2009, 11:25 AM
Yeah, that's something he'll pickup at the next level. I really think he ends up being more of a free safety anyway.

wonderbredd24
10-06-2009, 11:27 AM
That's a pretty akward angle to try to level someone. I agree that he should wrap up there.

Staubach12
10-06-2009, 12:54 PM
Such a bad play by Eric Berry. Those are the types of plays that NFL scouts hate.

Wrap up -- you're not Ronnie Lott. Stop trying to act like it.

Like Ronnie Lott never got knocked over...

Falcon<3
10-06-2009, 12:57 PM
http://theauburner.com/images/tatesmash.gif

Tate is no little guy, and that was a bad angle, but yeah, Berry screwed that one up, but I'll take 1 screwup every few games for all the plays that kid makes.

critesy
10-06-2009, 02:10 PM
nonetheless, ben tate = beast :D

TACKLE
10-18-2009, 04:38 PM
I starting to think that Ryan Mathews may end up as the #1 RB in the draft. The guy has been unreal this year.

BigBanger
10-18-2009, 04:54 PM
I starting to think that Ryan Mathews may end up as the #1 RB in the draft. The guy has been unreal this year.
He already is. He's just got to stay healthy. Solid late first, early second.


Jhavid Best is a ******* joke.

Spiller isn't a #1, great special teams guy (Kicks and punts), receiver type guy that can carry the ball 5 to 10 times, but that's it.


Dwyer just isn't anything special.

SuperKevin
10-18-2009, 08:39 PM
I wish Georgia Tech would give Anthony Allen more carries. Personally I think he has a better skillset than Dwyer does.

murdamal86
10-21-2009, 07:08 PM
Has Anthony Dixon been discussed by anybody yet? I personally think that he can be a nice RB at the next level

murdamal86
10-21-2009, 07:13 PM
while we're talking about lenwhale white replacements i always liked this guy since i saw him as a freshman, he is a tank on a sh*t team
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0454580cUg41y/610x.jpg

well there's some love for AD

Halsey
11-07-2009, 08:40 PM
Another concussion, and a bad one, for Jahvid Best. That can't be good for his stock.

SuperKevin
11-07-2009, 08:41 PM
Another concussion, and a bad one, for Jahvid Best. That can't be good for his stock.

Probably going to prevent him from declaring this year. Concussions like that can affect you for months

LonghornsLegend
11-07-2009, 09:03 PM
He already is. He's just got to stay healthy. Solid late first, early second.


Jhavid Best is a ******* joke.

Spiller isn't a #1, great special teams guy (Kicks and punts), receiver type guy that can carry the ball 5 to 10 times, but that's it.


Dwyer just isn't anything special.



5 times a game? Come on now, you act like Spiller is smaller then someone like Norwood, or Felix Jones, or Chris Johnson, or lots of other scat backs who can receive more then 5 carries a game. You make it seem like Spiller is wire thin and 150 lbs.

SuperKevin
11-07-2009, 09:04 PM
I think CJ Spiller has always been capable of being the feature back and running between the tackles, it's just the fact they also had James Davis made it so he didn't have to. I think Spiller is a lot more complete of a RB than people make him out to be.

SAMSONITE
11-07-2009, 09:08 PM
He already is. He's just got to stay healthy. Solid late first, early second.


Jhavid Best is a ******* joke.

Spiller isn't a #1, great special teams guy (Kicks and punts), receiver type guy that can carry the ball 5 to 10 times, but that's it.


Dwyer just isn't anything special.
Yeah, nothing special about a guy weighing 230 running in the 4.3's.

MidwayMonster31
11-07-2009, 09:10 PM
Spiller has shown this season that he can run between the tackles. He's done a solid job playing inside or outside. He also looked like he put on more muscle in his legs. He is 5'11 and weighs 195 pounds, he could do 15-18 carries per game.

P-L
11-07-2009, 10:08 PM
C.J. Spiller is ******** all over Florida State, for those of you not watching.

Race for the Heisman
11-07-2009, 10:51 PM
C.J. Spiller is ******** all over Florida State, for those of you not watching.

He looked hobbled despite the overall quality of his performance. I wonder if it will be touched on in the post-game activities.

FatJJ44
11-07-2009, 11:00 PM
If Brandon Minor was healthy all year Michigan would have won two more games and he might be leading the NCAA in rushing. It's a shame he hasn't been close to 100% all year.

roscoesdad27
11-08-2009, 05:13 AM
1) c.j. spiller
2) n. devine
3) j. dywer
4) j. best
5) r. matthews

Don Vito
11-08-2009, 10:12 AM
I think Hardesty is very similar to Marion Barber, not the biggest but is very strong and runs with anger. They are both pretty good athletes and will break tackles, but definitely aren't burners.

Duffman57
11-08-2009, 11:52 AM
Does anyone know anything about DeMaundray Woolridge from Idaho? He looks alot like Michael Turner with the thick lower body, but he needs to drop a little weight and get faster, and fix the fumble problems.

OaklandRaider56
11-08-2009, 07:28 PM
Anybody else high on Curtis Steele from Memphis? I think he'll be a great late round value. From the limited games I've seen him play.

murdamal86
11-08-2009, 07:46 PM
He already is. He's just got to stay healthy. Solid late first, early second.


Jhavid Best is a ******* joke.

Spiller isn't a #1, great special teams guy (Kicks and punts), receiver type guy that can carry the ball 5 to 10 times, but that's it.


Dwyer just isn't anything special.

Boy oh boy I really want to know if you are being serious about this or just joking.

BigBanger
11-08-2009, 09:04 PM
5 times a game? Come on now, you act like Spiller is smaller then someone like Norwood, or Felix Jones, or Chris Johnson, or lots of other scat backs who can receive more then 5 carries a game. You make it seem like Spiller is wire thin and 150 lbs.
I made no mention of his size, and I don't think it's his size that will prohibit him from carrying the load. It's the fact that he doesn't run between the tackles and looks to bounce everything outside, which is why he's a 5 to 10 type of guy. He'll be a great third down back, great receiver and excellent special teams player. As a pure RB, he holds little value. Like Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush didn't get drafted 2nd overall because everyone thought he was going to run the ball 320+ times a year and run for 1,600 yards and carry an offense. He was drafted for receiving ability and his great special teams ability. The Saints learned that you don't draft a complimentary back as high as they did because he's been a bit of a disappointment, and maybe, what? The third best RB on his own team now? I don't know why they don't have him returning kicks and using him to his full potential, but that's a different story.

Spiller is not going to do anything more than spell a feature back. He's not a great runner. He's just not. All this first round talk is only for teams that have the luxury of drafting a non-starter in the first round. He'll be a great weapon, but he's more of a situational guy than a starter.

Noorwood rarely goes over 10 carries a game. He's never gotten to 15. Felix Jones probably doesn't get enough carriers, but he shouldn't even have been brought up since he's nothing like Spiller (Outside of both being fast and great returning kicks... nothing in common). 6 foot and almost 220 pounds? He's a great runner and always has been. Like college, his YPC is drastically higher than his feature back. McFadden was considered an elite prospect and Jones a late first, early second, but Jones had a better YPC average throughout his career than McFadden and was a great return man in college.


The first two rounds are supposed to be starters (the first three actually, but there's been a trend of drafting special teams players in the third round), not situational players. Few teams have the luxury of not needing to draft players at certain positions and few can afford drafting a CJ Spiller or a Devin Hester (who didn't even have a position coming out of college) in the first two rounds of the draft. Most teams are looking for a starting DE, starting LT or RT, starting OG or DT, starting CB or S. Starting LB. And some teams draft a QB, hoping to get lucky and find their future QB (but most bust). Very few teams can draft a backup CB (during college!!) in round 2.

In all reality, Spiller is a second round player. He'll go round 1 because a team will see that missing piece to the puzzle and since they have few needs to begin with, they think they can greatly boost their special teams and draft him higher than most teams could. He does not translate nearly as well to the pro game as he is in college since he's such a project as a pure RB. His natural instinct is to out run the defense. As Reggie Bush and Darren McFadden (along with many others) have found, the NFL is not college and you can't just run past people.

SuperKevin
11-08-2009, 09:05 PM
Spiller's ran between the tackles a bunch this year so I don't get where you're coming from with this

niel89
11-08-2009, 09:08 PM
What do you guys think of Toby Gerhart? How high could he be drafted and where will he probably be drafted?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
11-08-2009, 09:14 PM
Spiller runs hard between the tackles like Chris Johnson. Sure he looks to bounce stuff sometimes, but he hits the hole hard.

espnhatesthe49ers
11-08-2009, 09:55 PM
I made no mention of his size, and I don't think it's his size that will prohibit him from carrying the load. It's the fact that he doesn't run between the tackles and looks to bounce everything outside, which is why he's a 5 to 10 type of guy. He'll be a great third down back, great receiver and excellent special teams player. As a pure RB, he holds little value. Like Reggie Bush. Reggie Bush didn't get drafted 2nd overall because everyone thought he was going to run the ball 320+ times a year and run for 1,600 yards and carry an offense. He was drafted for receiving ability and his great special teams ability. The Saints learned that you don't draft a complimentary back as high as they did because he's been a bit of a disappointment, and maybe, what? The third best RB on his own team now? I don't know why they don't have him returning kicks and using him to his full potential, but that's a different story.

Spiller is not going to do anything more than spell a feature back. He's not a great runner. He's just not. All this first round talk is only for teams that have the luxury of drafting a non-starter in the first round. He'll be a great weapon, but he's more of a situational guy than a starter.

Noorwood rarely goes over 10 carries a game. He's never gotten to 15. Felix Jones probably doesn't get enough carriers, but he shouldn't even have been brought up since he's nothing like Spiller (Outside of both being fast and great returning kicks... nothing in common). 6 foot and almost 220 pounds? He's a great runner and always has been. Like college, his YPC is drastically higher than his feature back. McFadden was considered an elite prospect and Jones a late first, early second, but Jones had a better YPC average throughout his career than McFadden and was a great return man in college.


The first two rounds are supposed to be starters (the first three actually, but there's been a trend of drafting special teams players in the third round), not situational players. Few teams have the luxury of not needing to draft players at certain positions and few can afford drafting a CJ Spiller or a Devin Hester (who didn't even have a position coming out of college) in the first two rounds of the draft. Most teams are looking for a starting DE, starting LT or RT, starting OG or DT, starting CB or S. Starting LB. And some teams draft a QB, hoping to get lucky and find their future QB (but most bust). Very few teams can draft a backup CB (during college!!) in round 2.

In all reality, Spiller is a second round player. He'll go round 1 because a team will see that missing piece to the puzzle and since they have few needs to begin with, they think they can greatly boost their special teams and draft him higher than most teams could. He does not translate nearly as well to the pro game as he is in college since he's such a project as a pure RB. His natural instinct is to out run the defense. As Reggie Bush and Darren McFadden (along with many others) have found, the NFL is not college and you can't just run past people.

That's the same argument that was used against Chris Johnson before he came out.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 09:02 AM
People are mistaking Spiller's "bouncing it out". He bounces it out when he's on the 2nd level looking to bust a big one, but he's not Reggie Bush trying to bounce it at the los and having it strung out to the sideline. TBH I think in college Shady McCoy bounced it out way more than Spiller does. Spiller's power is underrated. Yes at times he strings it out looking for a big play but he constantly hits the hole hard especially in short yardage situations when he has to. And I've watched every single Clemson game he's played in since he got there. I mean even Chris Johnson at the NFL level is a hit or miss kind of back because he constantly gets stopped for losses by not hitting the hole.

djp
11-09-2009, 12:03 PM
The success of Percy Harvin and/or Chris Johnson is going to help Spiller's draft stock tremendously. Versatile, explosive players are in vogue this year.. he will be a top 20 pick easily.

etk
11-09-2009, 12:16 PM
People are mistaking Spiller's "bouncing it out". He bounces it out when he's on the 2nd level looking to bust a big one, but he's not Reggie Bush trying to bounce it at the los and having it strung out to the sideline. TBH I think in college Shady McCoy bounced it out way more than Spiller does. Spiller's power is underrated. Yes at times he strings it out looking for a big play but he constantly hits the hole hard especially in short yardage situations when he has to. And I've watched every single Clemson game he's played in since he got there. I mean even Chris Johnson at the NFL level is a hit or miss kind of back because he constantly gets stopped for losses by not hitting the hole.

Agree completely...I've been saying this for at least 2 years now, but you said it better than I ever have.

Spiller is a gamebreaker, but that doesn't necessarily meaning that he's a Bush/McCoy ballerina type. Spiller uses speed and explosion to score, not so much elusiveness.

He's a lot more powerful than people think and he has a stocky, well-proportioned build. Chris Johnson and Reggie Bush have slimmer bodies.

Spiller can be a competent between the tackles runner and is an explosive talent on top of that. His only real weakness is his inability to stay on the field this season (conditioning?). With Spiller you get a guy who can pick up chunks of 4 yards, plus break big runs, plus make plays in the passing game, plus he's immediately a top return man.

If that's not top 20 value, I don't know what is. I said the same things about Harvin last year....w/e. Everyone loves to nitpick the big-play threats since the disappointment of Bush, but imo it's unfounded.

EDIT: I'm noticing a trend here that ACC fans seem to agree on Spiller...

SuperKevin
11-09-2009, 12:18 PM
Everyone is seeing that Spiller split carries his whole career and assumes he's not an everydown RB. He would have been a feature back anywhere else but Clemson had a talented RB already in place in James Davis.

etk
11-09-2009, 12:21 PM
What do you guys think of Toby Gerhart? How high could he be drafted and where will he probably be drafted?

Great overall athlete for his size
Well-built frame
Runs hard
Can carry the load

I think he's a 2nd rounder and I compare him to Shonn Greene in terms of value and draft stock.

ElectricEye
11-09-2009, 12:21 PM
I'm coming around on Spiller. If he goes to a team that's able to utilize his talents(I think he would be a perfect fit for the New England offense), I think he's going to be a really, really damn good player for someone. Playing without the shadow of James Davis has really helped him develop and showcase his talents. Before this year, he had seemed to regress every year since his freshman season. But he's back at that level this season and has elevated himself to being a first rounder. Jahvid Best's injury, sick as it is, helps his stock quite a bit as well. Still think he's a limited runner who won't ever really be a consistent get 4 yards a carry guy, but he'll make the type of plays that can turn games around.

D-Unit
11-09-2009, 12:23 PM
I think Hardesty is very similar to Marion Barber, not the biggest but is very strong and runs with anger. They are both pretty good athletes and will break tackles, but definitely aren't burners.
Don't see that comparison. Barber is freaking violent. Closest thing I've seen to him is Shonn Greene.

But Hardesty is a tough runner. I liken him to Frank Gore.

etk
11-09-2009, 12:25 PM
Don't see that comparison. Barber is freaking violent. Closest thing I've seen to him is Shonn Greene.

But Hardesty is a tough runner. I liken him to Frank Gore.

Yeah. Barber is built like a tank. Hardesty is more lanky.

D-Unit
11-09-2009, 12:26 PM
CJ Spiiler = Chris Johnson? No.

Ryan Williams = Chris Johnson? An Electrifying YES!

CJ Spiller is a tough one to read. I'm not sure I would be happy with my team spending a first round pick on him.

Hurricanes25
11-09-2009, 12:26 PM
A lot of people are saying that Spiller is not an every down back and can not carry the load. Even if that is true, this league has turned into a 2 back system so he will most likely never have to carry the load.

SuperKevin
11-09-2009, 12:27 PM
CJ Spiiler = Chris Johnson? No.

Ryan Williams = Chris Johnson? An Electrifying YES!

CJ Spiller is a tough one to read. I'm not sure I would be happy with my team spending a first round pick on him.

For some reason CJ Spiller just screams San Diego Charger to me.

D-Unit
11-09-2009, 12:29 PM
Yeah. Barber is built like a tank. Hardesty is more lanky.
Lanky??? That makes me think of Shawn Bradley...

Hardesty has got some meat to his bones.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tennessee+v+Alabama+zEu_JWBRh7Rl.jpg

ElectricEye
11-09-2009, 12:29 PM
Hardesty does run violent and angry, but I would agree with D-Unit and say that he's not quite as violent as Barber. He makes up for it with better speed and athleticism though.

etk
11-09-2009, 12:31 PM
Lanky??? That makes me think of Shawn Bradley...

Hardesty has got some meat to his bones.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Tennessee+v+Alabama+zEu_JWBRh7Rl.jpg

I said more lanky. Hardesty runs very upright. Marion Barber...first thing that comes to mind is him ducking and bulldozing defenders in the endzone to avoid a safety.

Either way....they're not even close to similar. Barber is a unique back and any comparison to him is a terrible one imo.

M.O.T.H.
11-09-2009, 12:35 PM
Yup, Hardesty is fantastic and very tough but, his style cannot be likened to that of Barber. They're not similar at all.

Brothgar
11-09-2009, 12:36 PM
What do you guys think of Toby Gerhart? How high could he be drafted and where will he probably be drafted?

He's going to have Brian Leonard syndrome .... 3rd or 4th round.

Brothgar
11-09-2009, 12:38 PM
For some reason CJ Spiller just screams San Diego Charger to me.

That wouldn't have anything to do with this guy would it?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/04/sports/05sproles.600.jpg

M.O.T.H.
11-09-2009, 12:40 PM
Hardesty actually reminds me of Maroney.

SuperKevin
11-09-2009, 12:40 PM
That wouldn't have anything to do with this guy would it?

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/04/sports/05sproles.600.jpg

Spiller fits the Chargers running back profile perfectly. He's a solid runner in space who provides an excellent check down option in the passing game.

619
11-09-2009, 12:49 PM
Hardesty actually reminds me of Maroney.

Only with more heart and toughness.

M.O.T.H.
11-09-2009, 12:50 PM
Only with more heart and toughness.

I was talking more Maroney in college or as a prospect coming out, similar styles.

SuperKevin
11-09-2009, 01:02 PM
Anyone else think Jonathan Dwyer is going to be a bust in the NFL? The guy doesn't run nearly as hard as he should for his size and does most of his work in space on option pitches. He also offers very little in pass protection and recieving.

619
11-09-2009, 01:13 PM
Anyone else think Jonathan Dwyer is going to be a bust in the NFL? The guy doesn't run nearly as hard as he should for his size and does most of his work in space on option pitches. He also offers very little in pass protection and recieving.

I see him as comparable to Michael Bush. You are not going to change a RB's mentality. I would attribute most of his deficiencies to the system, and thus any team looking at him in the first round would be taking a MAJOR risk. Solid second round value type back with considerable upside is what I would label him.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 02:43 PM
The thing I don't like about Gearhart is how high he runs.

danzing1488
11-09-2009, 03:01 PM
The thing I don't like about Gearhart is how high he runs.

or how pale he looks ;)

MetSox17
11-09-2009, 03:07 PM
or how pale he looks ;)

Dude, quit trying to stir up racial **** on here. What's there to love about Gerhart??

SuperKevin
11-09-2009, 03:10 PM
danzing won't be happy until everyone looks like Sammy Sosa

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/11/08/news/photos_stories/92501392MS076_2009_Person_O123513--300x300.jpg

danzing1488
11-09-2009, 03:23 PM
Dude, quit trying to stir up racial **** on here. What's there to love about Gerhart??

Oh yea, nothing to love, gee, he is just 6'1.....235lbs....jacked up body......great vision....great feet for a big guy......fantastic college production.....averages over 5 yards a carry.....great long speed for a big guy.....yea sounds like a priority undrafted free agent to me...lol

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 03:25 PM
Oh yea, nothing to love, gee, he is just 6'1.....235lbs....jacked up body......great vision....great feet for a big guy......fantastic college production.....averages over 5 yards a carry.....great long speed for a big guy.....yea sounds like a priority undrafted free agent to me...lol

And yes everyone is saying he is an undrafted FA. Stop being stupid. Every single person here agrees he's a most likely first day pick at worst a late 3rd. You take is so personally because everyone doesn't think he's the 2nd coming of Jesus.

SuperKevin
11-09-2009, 03:26 PM
Toby Gerhart kind of reminds me of Cedric Benson. Hopefully whoever drafts him doesn't write him off as quickly as the Bears did to Benson(although legal troubles had a big part in that)

Babylon
11-09-2009, 03:26 PM
The thing I don't like about Gearhart is how high he runs.

The key is getting low when you're about to get contact and he does a good job of that. If he didnt he wouldnt last long even in the Pac-10.

niel89
11-09-2009, 05:14 PM
Toby Gerhart kind of reminds me of Cedric Benson. Hopefully whoever drafts him doesn't write him off as quickly as the Bears did to Benson(although legal troubles had a big part in that)

I can see that comparison a little, although Benson is much more talented and his draft position shows it. Benson has been tearing it up for the Bengals this year, change of scenery really did him good.

The key is getting low when you're about to get contact and he does a good job of that. If he didnt he wouldnt last long even in the Pac-10.
I have to say that in general he does run high but he makes sure that he is low when he gets to contact. He retains his balance on a ton of hits because he is able to lower his center of gravity at the time of impact.

niel89
11-09-2009, 05:19 PM
Homer Disclaimer:

I think that Gerhart could go as high as the second round. There is a lot to like about the guy. He has good frame and good size at 6'1" 235lbs, but it doesnt slow him down too much. He is not Chris Johnson, but he still has very good long speed for his size and is able to pick up big chunks of yardage with it.

He really uses his blockers very well. The O-line and his FB at Stanford are actually really good and he has the patience and vision to wait for the blocks to develop. I can think of many goal line plays where its a pitch out to where he has a FB, TE and Guard pulling to the outside and takes his time until they get a hat on the other players to explode.

His power and balance are very good as well. He breaks tackles every well and is hard to take down with one tackler when he get squared up. If people just try to hit him they often bounce off. His balance after first contact is important he gains a considerable amount of yards then. He has a nice stiff arm also. He really runs hard on every carry and really can control a game with consistent running. He is a true workhorse type of back.

He does need to work on somethings though. He need to prove he has NFL quality speed and he needs to show more short range quickness. He has to show that he can provide pass protection and he needs to showcase that he is beyond able to be a receiving threat. These qualities will really be able to get looked at close at the Senior Bowl (if he's there) and the Combine.

The last thing that I think will really help his draft status his off the field attributes. He is a real smart football player who works hard on and off the field. He is majoring in Management, Science and Engineering while being a two sport athlete. I think that the interviews at the Combine will really help his stock with a lot of teams. He is always quick to dole out praise for his blockers and his team mates. He is a really personable guy also. After his 38 carry 223 yard game against Oregon, where he was slow to get up after the last few carries because of how tired he was, I saw him literally stay on the field for half an hour after signing autographs and taking pictures with fans.

Babylon
11-09-2009, 05:39 PM
If Toby gets to a team that features running the ball between the tackles he can be a 1000 yard rusher. For a probable mid to late second round pick that is quite a luxury. Peyton Hillis would have had 1k yds for the Broncos if he had been healthy for a whole season last year and he isnt in Gerhart's class as a runner.

Staubach12
11-09-2009, 06:07 PM
I'm a big fan of Gerhart. He's not getting a ton of buzz, but he's going to be a 2nd round pick.

CC.SD
11-09-2009, 06:46 PM
I can see Spiller as a Charger given that LT will in all likelihood not be on the team next year, and with Sproles coming off a franchise tag...

I love him as a prospect and am not all that worried about his inside running. The explosiveness alone makes him worthy of the 1st round.

ElectricEye
11-09-2009, 07:14 PM
Hardesty actually reminds me of Maroney.

Hardesty is competent between the tackles and doesn't click his heels like Dorothy every run. Doesn't have near the dancing problem Maroney has. Maroney is also a much better athlete. Hardesty has the power and toughness edge though.

CashmoneyDrew
11-09-2009, 07:22 PM
I'll probably get ripped for this, but Hardesty's running style reminds me of AD's. Now I know Hardesty isn't as talented or as good of a prospect, but the way they both almost look like galloping horses when they run is similar. You can tell they're both running as hard as they can every time.

I would love to see what kind of numbers Hardesty would have put up this year if he had a bigger and more talented line than he does at UT this season.

ElectricEye
11-09-2009, 07:25 PM
I'll probably get ripped for this, but Hardesty's running style reminds me of AD's. Now I know Hardesty isn't as talented or as good of a prospect, but the way they both almost look like galloping horses when they run is similar. You can tell they're both running as hard as they can every time.

I would love to see what kind of numbers Hardesty would have put up this year if he had a bigger and more talented line than he does at UT this season.

I was going to say that earlier. It's hard to think of a non-out of this world comparison for Hardesty. I don't think he's anywhere near the level of runner Adrian Peterson is, but they run the same and have the same attitude. Peterson is a much superior athlete in terms of strength and speed, but both of them are shed a tackle and do everything humanly possible to take it the distance type of guys.

Brown Leader
11-09-2009, 08:01 PM
I was going to say that earlier. It's hard to think of a non-out of this world comparison for Hardesty. I don't think he's anywhere near the level of runner Adrian Peterson is, but they run the same and have the same attitude. Peterson is a much superior athlete in terms of strength and speed, but both of them are shed a tackle and do everything humanly possible to take it the distance type of guys.

My comparison-Ryan Grant.

ElectricEye
11-09-2009, 08:02 PM
My comparison-Ryan Grant.

That was one I was thinking of as well, but I don't think Grant is anywhere near as ferocious as Hardesty. Similar size/speed, possibly similar production in the league, but eh.

BigBanger
11-09-2009, 08:37 PM
Anyone else think Jonathan Dwyer is going to be a bust in the NFL? The guy doesn't run nearly as hard as he should for his size and does most of his work in space on option pitches. He also offers very little in pass protection and recieving.
After all the games I've seen of him (and over the last three years, the number is pretty high) I still have no idea if he'll boom or bust. I've seen him absolutely truck a defender and show the speed in space that is probably close to a high 4.4. Other games, he'll look like the second best back on his own team and he'll play with no power or speed.

The scheme doesn't allow him to show off any vision to the hole or any patience getting there... once he gets to the secondary you can see he shows some great cut back ability and vision in the open field. If the hole is there, the QB will give him the ball, if it isn't, then the QB will keep it... very hard to gauge what kind of player he is when the scheme is making all the decisions for him and creating more favorable opportunities.

ElectricEye
11-09-2009, 08:42 PM
It's so damn hard to know if Dywer is going to be a beast or just average. We'll see. I think his size/speed combination deserves the hype it gets, but he hasn't looked like the same guy this year at times. He doesn't have any space to work at the line of scrimmage most of the time, but past that he gets a ton of open field. He makes you pay when you do give him that. We'll see. I think he needs to get conditioned slightly better too. Someone said that he looks like he's gained some weight and I would echo that as well.

M.O.T.H.
11-10-2009, 12:38 AM
Hardesty is competent between the tackles and doesn't click his heels like Dorothy every run. Doesn't have near the dancing problem Maroney has. Maroney is also a much better athlete. Hardesty has the power and toughness edge though.

Again, Maroney in college. Maroney at Minnesota certainly looked like a different player than he's been in the pros. I know Maroney's career hasnt gone as planned but, I was likening him to Maroney when he played in Minnesota and was coming into the draft, more so than the player he is now. So not a knock on Hardesty at all.

CC.SD
11-10-2009, 01:13 AM
Maroney was a beastly prospect. Now, being picked before Deangelo Williams is probably what he is best known for.

ElectricEye
11-10-2009, 09:24 AM
Again, Maroney in college. Maroney at Minnesota certainly looked like a different player than he's been in the pros. I know Maroney's career hasnt gone as planned but, I was likening him to Maroney when he played in Minnesota and was coming into the draft, more so than the player he is now. So not a knock on Hardesty at all.

Eh, Maroney never really seemed to be a guy that could hit the hole as hard as Hardesty. He was always more of a guy that looked to bounce it outside to me. He made at least one cut a run. Hardesty just finds the hole and goes with it.

foozball
11-14-2009, 05:36 PM
Why isn't Ben Tate getting more pub? He's got prototypical size at 5'11 218lbs and runs with power. He's shown he's got breakaway speed and he's carved up SEC defenses all year. He has a decent track record as well. So what's the deal?

Babylon
11-14-2009, 06:12 PM
Toby Gerhart has probably played himself into a 1st round pick if you use Beanie Wells as a gauge, we'll see.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-14-2009, 06:52 PM
Toby Gerhart has probably played himself into a 1st round pick if you use Beanie Wells as a gauge, we'll see.

I doubt Gerhart runs a 40 like Beanie. Also you have to consider Beanie was as hyped as anyone in college football even coming out of high school and played for Ohio State. With that said Wells was a pick away from being in the 2nd round in a relatively weak draft. This year in a year with so much talent and depth with possibly the most underclassman declaring ever I can't fanthom any possibility that Gerhart is a first round pick. With running back being the easiest position to fill even with a 4th or 5th round guy you have to be truly a special talent and game breaker to crack the first round this year. Spiller and Best are the only guys who fit that. Gerhart might be able to handle the load unlike those guys but those guys have special talents. Gerhart should be ranked like Matt Forte. In a day when teams would rather have a special speed back along with a power back, the market for a solid all around back in the first round just isn't in demand.

Babylon
11-14-2009, 07:05 PM
I doubt Gerhart runs a 40 like Beanie. Also you have to consider Beanie was as hyped as anyone in college football even coming out of high school and played for Ohio State. With that said Wells was a pick away from being in the 2nd round in a relatively weak draft. This year in a year with so much talent and depth with possibly the most underclassman declaring ever I can't fanthom any possibility that Gerhart is a first round pick. With running back being the easiest position to fill even with a 4th or 5th round guy you have to be truly a special talent and game breaker to crack the first round this year. Spiller and Best are the only guys who fit that. Gerhart might be able to handle the load unlike those guys but those guys have special talents. Gerhart should be ranked like Matt Forte. In a day when teams would rather have a special speed back along with a power back, the market for a solid all around back in the first round just isn't in demand.

I'm going to say Beanie ran a 4.59 at the combine, i'll say Gerhart matches that.

danzing1488
11-14-2009, 07:07 PM
I'm going to say Beanie ran a 4.59 at the combine, i'll say Gerhart matches that.

Gerhart will SMOKE that ;)

Babylon
11-14-2009, 07:12 PM
Gerhart will SMOKE that ;)

He's probably borderline 1st early 2nd, which is basically the same thing. Somebody like New England, who can think outside the box, will pick him and look like geniuses.

RaiderNation
11-14-2009, 07:12 PM
Gerhart is still a 2nd-3rd type guy for me. Needs to go to a team that has a scat back and he will get a workload of inside carries.

Babylon
11-14-2009, 07:16 PM
Gerhart is still a 2nd-3rd type guy for me. Needs to go to a team that has a scat back and he will get a workload of inside carries.

I think after the first 20 picks or so you're drafting guys who could go 21-40 so not sure if i'd agree he's a definite 2nd round pick. He's not a 3rd round pick or the system is seriously flawed.

SuperKevin
11-14-2009, 07:34 PM
Gerhart is probably the top between the tackles back in the draft right now. With that said, a team could easily find that to fit their system and take him in late round 1.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
11-14-2009, 08:09 PM
What do you guys think about Armando Allen? He's been running very well this year and has 4.4-4.45 speed. He is good in between the tackles and has the speed to break one. I would say he's a third/fourth rounder this year, but next year if he stays has a chance to move up to the second, but topping out there. Reminds me of an NFL version of Clinton Portis.

Halsey
11-21-2009, 09:18 PM
So now that Cal has plugged another RB in who's putting up huge numbers in Best's absence, I have to wonder...is Best a bit of a system back?

superman8456
11-21-2009, 09:20 PM
So now that Cal has plugged another RB in who's putting up huge numbers in Best's absence, I have to wonder...is Best a bit of a system back?

Its Stanfords defense. Calm down. Best will prove his ranking when bowl season comes around, you cant fake it then.

Halsey
11-21-2009, 09:26 PM
Its Stanfords defense.

It's not like Best was putting up huge numbers vs Alabama and Florida. His best(no pun intended) games were vs Washington State, Maryland and Eastern Washington.

superman8456
11-21-2009, 09:30 PM
It's not like Best was putting up huge numbers vs Alabama and Florida. His best(no pun intended) games were vs Washington State, Maryland and Eastern Washington.

Best rushed for 200 yards and two TD's against Stanford last year.

Halsey
11-21-2009, 09:37 PM
Best rushed for 200 yards and two TD's against Stanford last year.

You just implied in your last post that running all over Stanford's D is no big deal...

TitanHope
11-28-2009, 10:54 PM
Hardesty just had one of the most impressive games I've seen out of him tonight.

40 rushes, 180 yards, and 3 TD's, including the game-winning 20 yard TD in overtime.

Season: 265 rush, 1,307 yards, 4.9 YPC, and 12 TD's.

He's 2nd in the SEC in rushing yards now, and tied with Mark Ingram for 2nd in rushing TD's with 12 (Tebow is 1st with 13 TD's, so t-1st among RB's).

3rd best senior RB behind Spiller and Gerhart, in my opinion.

ThePudge
11-28-2009, 11:07 PM
Hardesty just had one of the most impressive games I've seen out of him tonight.

40 rushes, 180 yards, and 3 TD's, including the game-winning 20 yard TD in overtime.

Season: 265 rush, 1,307 yards, 4.9 YPC, and 12 TD's.

He's 2nd in the SEC in rushing yards now, and tied with Mark Ingram for 2nd in rushing TD's with 12 (Tebow is 1st with 13 TD's, so t-1st among RB's).

3rd best senior RB behind Spiller and Gerhart, in my opinion.

Forgot Anthony Dixon of Mississippi State: 257 car 1,391 yds 5.4 YPC 12 Td

Personally, I'd rank the Top 5 Senior backs:

1. CJ Spiller - Clemson - Top 20
2. Anthony Dixon - Mississippi State - Mid Second-Early Third
3. Toby Gerhart - Stanford - Late Second-Early Third
4. Montario Hardesty - Tennessee - Late Second-Mid Third
5. Ben Tate - Auburn - Early Third-Early Fourth

TitanHope
11-28-2009, 11:33 PM
Forgot Anthony Dixon of Mississippi State: 257 car 1,391 yds 5.4 YPC 12 Td

Personally, I'd rank the Top 5 Senior backs:

1. CJ Spiller - Clemson - Top 20
2. Anthony Dixon - Mississippi State - Mid Second-Early Third
3. Toby Gerhart - Stanford - Late Second-Early Third
4. Montario Hardesty - Tennessee - Late Second-Mid Third
5. Ben Tate - Auburn - Early Third-Early Fourth

Dang! Dixon has had a great season too. Mah bad!

ThePudge
11-28-2009, 11:36 PM
Dang! Dixon has had a great season too. Mah bad!

It's all good man, those SEC power back are tearing it up and have all made huge strides this year.... It's hard to take in all at once, they each have been tremendous.

Duffman57
11-29-2009, 12:45 AM
Does anyone think that Allen Bradford could come out this year. He got a pretty good shot at some good PT after Johnson went out, and made the most of it. If he comes out, where do u guys think he goes.