Draft Discussion - Wide Reciever

[TACKLE]

Here's a wide open thread to discuss Wide Recievers. Post any thoughts or opinions on the WR's: your rankings, who's underrated, who's overrated, break out prospects, sleepers, best fits, etc. This is the place to break down the 2010 WR class.



POST #2000!!!!

[princefielder28]

Everyone knows Benn, Bryant, and LaFell but the guy that people need to learn about is Elon's Terrell Hudgins.

[draftguru151]

http://i44.tinypic.com/huq6hv.jpg

<33333.

[LookItsAlDavis]

No no no....http://www.trojanwire.com/images/damian-williams-18.jpg

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

[Don Vito]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/pt/photos/2009/01/090102_NS_2mcclusterRUNgm.jpg

Dexter McCluster is a little guy but he is a pure playmaker. Great hands/ball skills, very quick, and gets a lot of time running the ball as a RB too (led us in rushing and receiving last year). He will by no means be a top prospect, but I think Dex could be a solid slot guy in the NFL. He had some fumble issues last year but his fumbles came when we were using him as a RB in the red zone which is something a 5-8 170 WR should never be doing. #3 Shay Hodge is another senior receiver to watch on the Rebs.

[ncst8fan83]

Everyone knows Benn, Bryant, and LaFell but the guy that people need to learn about is Elon's Terrell Hudgins.

From my hometown, he was a decent QB in high school too.

My homer vote is Owen Spencer. Needs to get his hands straight but he's an amazing deep threat. Dropped at least 5 touchdowns last year. 3rd in the nation in reception average. Fast as hell.

[the decider13]

Demaryius Thomas

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1007/ncf_u_thomas_600.jpg

This dude will be the truth

[regoob2]

Everyone knows Benn, Bryant, and LaFell but the guy that people need to learn about is Elon's Terrell Hudgins.He's this years Ramses Barden.

[SenorGato]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U-ubxSJeEQ

Not amazing stats or anything...yet...but Carlton Mitchell reminds me alot of Roy Williams before everyone hopped off his bandwagon for w/e reason.

IMO this is pretty much Benn, Bryant, Thomas (GT) and MAYBE Williams (USC) and then everyone else. Mitchell has the potential to jump ahead of Williams though, and if he steps it up this draft has the potential for 4 legit 1st round WRs.

[yourfavestoner]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7747/40c016f33b6dab187f01a14.jpg

Rileyzzzz Cooperzzzzzzz

[Yatta!]

Should be dominated by underclassmen again, one such guy who I think is gonna rise is Carlton Mitchell, USF.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02n14qL1CA7g7/610x.jpg

[eaglesalltheway]

My favorite is Benn, followed lsightly by Bryant, but I feel both are legitimate top 15 guys. I'm a big fan of Demarius Thomas, and think he will work his way up into the first round by the draft. I like Damian Williams, but not as much as these three, though I think he will be a borderline first rounder as well. LaFell is in the same boat with me, I like him, but in com parison to those three, it isn't nearly as much as them. Also a borderline first roundr right now, IMO. I really liek the WR class because when you are saying player like Williams and LaFell aren't like (in comparison to other prospects), you have a good crop.

[Sniper]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07cw5QvbCO6nN/610x.jpg

Fear him....


















in the sixth round.

[Race for the Heisman]

Dezmon Briscoe (Kansas) could come out and be a first day prospect. I really like Kerry Meier (Kansas), too. He's probably a second day based on athleticism, but his understanding of the position is unreal for a guy who plays it on the side.

David Ausberry (Southern Cal - RS Jr) is a freak athletically who could be a great redzone threat, but he's got to get playing time to be a good prospect.

Detron Lewis is another Texas Tech guy (true junior) who looks like he might be able to cut it regardless of system. Some of his stock might depend on how Crabtree does, assuming he does come out and Crabtree plays.

[CC.SD]

No no no....http://www.trojanwire.com/images/damian-williams-18.jpg

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

Smoooooooooooth operator. Damian will be a steal for somebody at the end of the 1st.

As for the rest...forgive me, but wake me up when Julio gets here.

[Sniper]

Smoooooooooooth operator. Damian will be a steal for somebody at the end of the 1st.

As for the rest...forgive me, but wake me up when Julio gets here.

Benn and Bryant don't do anything for you?

[Texas Homer]

Jordan Shipley
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/ptrain33/jordanshipley.jpg

[scottyboy]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dEr1878RbaVv/610x.jpg

just try and catch him, you won't.

[holt_bruce81]

I like Dezmon Briscoe which is kind of weird considering he plays for Kansas.

[DiG]

Everyone knows Benn, Bryant, and LaFell but the guy that people need to learn about is Elon's Terrell Hudgins.

+ rep for you cause i went to Elon and Hudgins is a BEAST!!! 6'3, 230lbs, 271 receptions, 35 tds, 3,587 yards. Nuff said.

[Brent]

I can't wait until Dezmon Briscoe is draftable

[YAYareaRB]

McKay Jacobsen, BYU

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qb4dH_9RIvQ/SWw5h4g7VHI/AAAAAAAAAaM/NnyHPUZSzOk/s320/mckay+jacobsen.jpg

Had a tremendous freshmen season and then took two years off for a mission. BYU is looking for that impact WR with the quality that Austin Collie brought ot the position. He's a winner, He's from Southlake Carroll HS and played with Chase Daniel and Aaron Luna.

[murdamal86]

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7747/40c016f33b6dab187f01a14.jpg

Rileyzzzz Cooperzzzzzzz

FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Staubach12]

There's a lot of guys in this draft who are just an improvement or two from being a first-tier prospect. Lafell, for example, just needs to improve his hands to become a first tier prospect. Are there other flaws there? Absolutely. But less drops for him means a great draft grade.

[SenorGato]

Terrell Hudgins sounds sick...

[ncst8fan83]

Terrell Hudgins sounds sick...

Keep in mind he plays at Elon...At 6'3" 235#, he's more of a WR/TE 'tweener at this point. He has decent speed, but probably more like 4.55-4.6 than 4.45-4.5.

[bearsfan_51]

Over a page into the thread and I'm the first guy to mention Decker? Sad. :(

http://ladiesdotdotdot.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/decker2.jpg

Best hands in the draft. He'll need a good 40 time to hit that late 1st/early 2nd area, but worst case scenario he'll still be a very productive, Earl Bennett type player in the late 2nd or 3rd round.

[jnew76]

For me the #1 WR is up in the air... I would rate them Bryant, Benn, Thomas right now... Although I am not sure Thomas is a lock to leave early, I also think he has the most upside.

Thomas is my favorite and I think he is the closest thing to Terrell Owens to come out of college.

Eric Decker is so easy to forget in the offseason, but he is always unforgettable on gameday.

I like Lafell, but I am not sold on him being the best WR on his own team. I really liked what I saw at the end of the season between QB Jordan Jefferson and WR Terrance Tolliver... Tolliver is a big time athlete and could be poised for a HUGE junior year IMO.

RS Soph Malcolm Williams of Texas has the ability to become unstoppable in the Big 12 south this year if he puts it all together, but he has not been consistent to this point.

Damian Williams is as smooth as satin sheets and makes catches effortlessly and with precision in a pro-style offense. He could take a hit in production as USC breaks in a new QB.

So many others come to mind that could emerge this year. Extremely talented groups for the next couple of years depending on underclassmen declarations.

[TACKLE]

How do you guys think the fact that DeMarius Thomas plays in a double-wing run heavy offense will effect his transition to the NFL and subsequently his draft stock?

Although he definitely has the tools, he is only asked to do very basic things coming out of GaTech. It may hold him back from being 'the guy' in this year WR class.

[regoob2]

How do you guys think the fact that DeMarius Thomas plays in a double-wing run heavy offense will effect his transition to the NFL and subsequently his draft stock?

Although he definitely has the tools, he is only asked to do very basic things coming out of GaTech. It may hold him back from being 'the guy' in this year WR class.
I think it will keep him from being a 1st round pick. He works will be big.

[eaglesalltheway]

How do you guys think the fact that DeMarius Thomas plays in a double-wing run heavy offense will effect his transition to the NFL and subsequently his draft stock?

Although he definitely has the tools, he is only asked to do very basic things coming out of GaTech. It may hold him back from being 'the guy' in this year WR class.

Thats one of the reasons I like Benn and Bryant more, but one thing that benefits Thomas from their offense is he has learned how to run block very well. But I think that (the offense) may be blown out of porportion a bit. Keep in mind he doesn't have many opportunities because of that offense, but still has good production considering his opportunities.

[eaglesalltheway]

I think it will keep him from being a 1st round pick. He works will be big.

He is a guy that, IMO, if he comes out this year, will be in that second round range until the combine and all that stuff comes around. He isn't Calvin Johnson by any means, but he will make people go back and look at the tape, and they will see more of what you want out of a top WR prospect.

[Menardo75]

Titus Young from Boise State is another small school sleeper to keep your eye on. I am also a big fan of Briscoe like a lot of other guys on here.

[IndyColtScout]

My #1 WR is different from everyone else... Carlos Singleton. I think he is going to have a lot more impact at the next level than James Hardy. He's pretty smooth and natural for being so big. He could easily just be a huge stiff, but he is far from it.

[TACKLE]

He is a guy that, IMO, if he comes out this year, will be in that second round range until the combine and all that stuff comes around. He isn't Calvin Johnson by any means, but he will make people go back and look at the tape, and they will see more of what you want out of a top WR prospect.

My problem with the offense he plays in isn't his limited opportunity to make plays but the fact that he isn't required to do some of the things other WR's have to do. At GaTech, he run mostly vertical routes with a few other basic routes. I don't think he has to do many more complex routes that are based of reads. As much as the spread gets bashed for producing NFL play, the WR's who play in the spread need to have a good grasp of route concepts and reads. Now, I'm not saying Thomas isn't capable of learning these things, but there may be a steepers learning curve for him coming out of college. I like Thomas a lot, I just think they'll be a few questions marks about his ability to transition to the NFL. In the end, I don't think it'll be that big of a deal.

[Texas Homer]

Somebody already brought up Redshirt-Soph. WR Malcolm Williams from Texas. He has excellent size and speed. He had 17 catches for 304 yds. and 3 TD's last season, but should get a lot of extra catches this season. Some have said Williams could end up being the best WR in Texas history.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb313/ptrain33/MalcolmWilliams.jpg


Also here is a link to a TD catch from Williams vs. Texas Tech from last season.(Am I allowed to link video's?)
http://videos.utexasclan.com/view.php?id=7076

[SenorGato]

I saw some of Malcolm Williams last year...b-e-a-s-t.

I mean that's being thrown out alot in this thread, but some of the size:speed ratios on these guys are ridiculous.

Williams will be a high first round pick if he develops correctly.

[katnip]

I can't wait until Dezmon Briscoe is draftable

This Is So True

[Don Vito]

http://videos.utexasclan.com/view.php?id=7076


Wow is he fast.

[TACKLE]

Malcolm Williams has incredible potential. 6'3 218 and obviously he's got speed to burn.

Also, what a throw by Colt on that play. Showing off the arm strength. 50 yards on the money.

[regoob2]

Malcolm Williams has incredible potential. 6'3 218 and obviously he's got speed to burn.

Also, what a throw by Colt on that play. Showing off the arm strength. 50 yards on the money.
Not really on the money. Williams had to slow down and wait for the ball as it hung in the air.

[fenikz]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07cw5QvbCO6nN/610x.jpg

Fear him....


















in the sixth round.

Nothing wrong with late round WRs from Michigan
http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/4/3/0/e298/j350/PHP48DBFC95DE034.jpg

[eaglesalltheway]

I saw some of Malcolm Williams last year...b-e-a-s-t.

I mean that's being thrown out alot in this thread, but some of the size:speed ratios on these guys are ridiculous.

Williams will be a high first round pick if he develops correctly.

From the little bit I saw of Texas, he was a guy that stuck out to me. (Really, I liked all of Texas' WRs last year, lol) As meany have said, his size/speed ratio is great. He needs to work on catching the ball with his hands a little more, that video shows it a little bit, though he had to compensate for the throw a bit, and he was WIDE open, so he may have just been being conservative in this one, but it is something he needs to work on. To be fair though, almost all college WRs need to work on that though.

He is someone I am defintiely going to keep an eye on this season, just incredible what he can do in the future.

[eaglesalltheway]

Nothing wrong with late round WRs from Michigan
http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/4/3/0/e298/j350/PHP48DBFC95DE034.jpg

To be fair, I thought Breaston dropped big time, and he should've been a 3rd-4th round pick IMO. I knew he was going to be ggod for the Cards, I just wasn't sure about his opportunity to show it, lol.

[Sniper]

Nothing wrong with late round WRs from Michigan
http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/4/3/0/e298/j350/PHP48DBFC95DE034.jpg

Eh, I hope Mathews can do something. Breaston's skill-set is completely different. Breaston is a perfect slot receiver and is also a good return man. Mathews is 6'3", 210 and probably runs a 4.7. He's got good hands, but doesn't offer much as a deep threat, doesn't get a lot of separation and only returns punts when Michigan has to make sure they actually catch the ball (read: not Martavious Odoms). He's not much of a returner.

[CC.SD]

Benn and Bryant don't do anything for you?

I like what I see, but I don't consider them true elite prospects. I think they'll both be fine playmakers (Benn moreso probably) but they don't have me salivating.

[SKim172]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0dEr1878RbaVv/610x.jpg

just try and catch him, you won't.

Just for the homer value, I'll second that. He is damn fast. But he'll have a hard time showing off the talent with a new QB throwing at him.

[Buc Baller12]

Glad some people brought up Malcolm Williams. Looks like he is starting to remind some people of a former Texas legend Roy Williams. If you think about they have the same body build. According to this article he can run a 4.3. A great prospect to keep an eye on.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/186216-malcolm-williams-could-become-the-new-roy-williams-in-austin

[etk]

My #1 WR is different from everyone else... Carlos Singleton. I think he is going to have a lot more impact at the next level than James Hardy. He's pretty smooth and natural for being so big. He could easily just be a huge stiff, but he is far from it.

Nah I don't think he's much of an athlete. And he's pencil-thin.

I'd rather wait for Josh Chichester in a couple years. He's bigger and actually runs pretty smooth. Tons of potential there.

[ironman4579]

Nothing wrong with late round WRs from Michigan
http://www.azcentral.com/i/sized/4/3/0/e298/j350/PHP48DBFC95DE034.jpg

I think you meant this guy. ;)

http://offsideswithfletcher.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/adrian.jpg


That one's for the Saints fans. Keep an eye out.

[TitansCJftw]

as a late round flyer type person even though he likely wont leave next year i love dwayne harris from ecu as a slot receiver in the nfl, this guy break tackles like a runningback blocks well and has jukes for days, hes not gonna run by too many im gonna go with mid 4.5's but this kid is a football player period, he has run back kicks punts, played wildcat qb, wr, rb, thrown tds from qb ran tds caught td's, the stats dont tell it all with a mediocore qb play, i just think if somebody takes a flyer on him he will be a beastly slot WR

[Thumper]

For me the #1 WR is up in the air... I would rate them Bryant, Benn, Thomas right now... Although I am not sure Thomas is a lock to leave early, I also think he has the most upside.

Thomas is my favorite and I think he is the closest thing to Terrell Owens to come out of college.

Eric Decker is so easy to forget in the offseason, but he is always unforgettable on gameday.

I like Lafell, but I am not sold on him being the best WR on his own team. I really liked what I saw at the end of the season between QB Jordan Jefferson and WR Terrance Tolliver... Tolliver is a big time athlete and could be poised for a HUGE junior year IMO.

RS Soph Malcolm Williams of Texas has the ability to become unstoppable in the Big 12 south this year if he puts it all together, but he has not been consistent to this point.

Damian Williams is as smooth as satin sheets and makes catches effortlessly and with precision in a pro-style offense. He could take a hit in production as USC breaks in a new QB.

So many others come to mind that could emerge this year. Extremely talented groups for the next couple of years depending on underclassmen declarations.

That guy is a big guy with serious wheels. I saw that Texas Tech game and he showed some speed. I don't know to much about him but the guy has serious potential. You can see that just by looking at his triangle numbers the guy has tons of talent. I'm trying to think of someone to compare him to and I keep thinking Andre Johnson. Malcolm Williams is 6'3" and 218 pounds and he ran a 4.43 coming out of highschool. This guy is going to be a super-prospect.

[TACKLE]

Bryant or Benn

[YAYareaRB]

Me and Jballla have agreed to Co-Captain the "McKay Jacobsen Bandwagon". haha

[JFLO]

My Rankings

1. Benn
2. Williams
3. Bryant
4. LaFell
5. Golden Tater

Sleeper I like is Mike Williams out of Syracuse

[thenewfeature06]

Doesn't wake forest have a legit wideout soemthing bolden maybe?

[Sniper]

Doesn't wake forest have a legit wideout soemthing bolden maybe?

D.J Boldin was an undrafted free agent this year and is now with the Lions. He's Anquan's brother.

[murdamal86]

Demaryius Thomas

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/1007/ncf_u_thomas_600.jpg

This dude will be the truth

No no no....http://www.trojanwire.com/images/damian-williams-18.jpg

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

I'd love BOTH of them in Jax next year

[D-Unit]

Here's a few names:

Chris McGaha - Can he make a comeback?
Jacoby Ford - Diminutive, but speed that burns.
Trindon Holliday - Maybe I should've saved the word diminutive for him. All I know is that he makes LSU scary.
Emmanuel Sanders - He will put up huge numbers for June Jones.
Armanti Edwards - Too much about ado about nothing.
Mardy Gilyard - I don't love him as much as others.
Dezmon Briscoe - If you haven't heard of him yet, you will.
Mark Dell - Big potential. Expected to step up for MSU this year.
Julio Jones - Best prospect in college?
Malcolm Williams - BIG BIG FAN.
Dwight Jones - No Hicks, Tate, Foster.... Jones is gonna have a breakout year.
Michael Floyd - People are only talking about Tate. Floyd will steal some attention.
DeAndre Brown - James Hardy 2.0?
AJ Green - Never liked Georgia WRs...except for Hines, but we'll see.
Ardon Tennell - Will be watching him closely. Could put up huge stats.

[CC.SD]

Here's a few names:

Chris McGaha - Can he make a comeback?
Jacoby Ford - Diminutive, but speed that burns.
Trindon Holliday - Maybe I should've saved the word diminutive for him. All I know is that he makes LSU scary.
Emmanuel Sanders - He will put up huge numbers for June Jones.
Armanti Edwards - Too much about ado about nothing.
Mardy Gilyard - I don't love him as much as others.
Dezmon Briscoe - If you haven't heard of him yet, you will.
Mark Dell - Big potential. Expected to step up for MSU this year.
Julio Jones - Best prospect in college?
Malcolm Williams - BIG BIG FAN.
Dwight Jones - No Hicks, Tate, Foster.... Jones is gonna have a breakout year.
Michael Floyd - People are only talking about Tate. Floyd will steal some attention.
DeAndre Brown - James Hardy 2.0?
AJ Green - Never liked Georgia WRs...except for Hines, but we'll see.
Ardon Tennell - Will be watching him closely. Could put up huge stats.


Look around and he probably is. Or will be by next year. You know, the year BEFORE he comes out. sigh. I don't have him on Calvin/Fitz level as a prospect but I do think he could get there.

[P-L]

Everyone is fawning over Benn and Bryant, but give me Damien Williams.

[YAYareaRB]

http://www.fantasycollegeblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/chris-mcgaha1.bmp

Beast

[YAYareaRB]

Look out for LSU's Terrance Toliver as well

http://www.tigerrag.com/wp-content/uploads/toliver_web.jpg

[Saints-Tigers]

I like Tolliver much much much more than LaFell, who everyone seems to be falling in love with.

[bearsfan_51]

Eric Decker is 1st pre-season All American and he can't even get any love in this stupid thread. :(

[regoob2]

Eric Decker is 1st pre-season All American and he can't even get any love in this stupid thread. :(
Because he's a vanilla cone.

[bearsfan_51]

Because he's a vanilla cone.
But he's my vanilla cone....:(

Deckerzzzzzzzz

[TACKLE]

But he's my vanilla cone....:(

Deckerzzzzzzzz

Eric Deckerzzzzzzz = The Second Coming.

http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics13/640/IY/IYDJFAMIWJLOTDA.20081025184907.jpg
http://graphics2.jsonline.com/graphics/packer/img/news/apr08/jordy26ap2.jpg

[CashmoneyDrew]

It's uncanny.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

I like Tolliver much much much more than LaFell, who everyone seems to be falling in love with.

well for one it's spelled Toliver with one "L". LaFell has EVERYTHING you ask for, he's a great route runner, gets elite separation, he's basically uncoverable, he's also one of, if not the best blocking WR in CFB.

Toliver on the other hand is good but cant run good routes right now.

[SenorGato]

Who has more upside, Julio Jones or Malcolm Williams?

Neither is draft eligible now, but those two are just future animals...both have a legit shot at being top 5-10 picks.

[Hines]

Here's a few names:

Chris McGaha - Can he make a comeback?
Jacoby Ford - Diminutive, but speed that burns.
Trindon Holliday - Maybe I should've saved the word diminutive for him. All I know is that he makes LSU scary.
Emmanuel Sanders - He will put up huge numbers for June Jones.
Armanti Edwards - Too much about ado about nothing.
Mardy Gilyard - I don't love him as much as others.
Dezmon Briscoe - If you haven't heard of him yet, you will.
Mark Dell - Big potential. Expected to step up for MSU this year.
Julio Jones - Best prospect in college?
Malcolm Williams - BIG BIG FAN.
Dwight Jones - No Hicks, Tate, Foster.... Jones is gonna have a breakout year.
Michael Floyd - People are only talking about Tate. Floyd will steal some attention.
DeAndre Brown - James Hardy 2.0?
AJ Green - Never liked Georgia WRs...except for Hines, but we'll see.
Ardon Tennell - Will be watching him closely. Could put up huge stats.

Don't forget about Jonathon Baldwin from Pitt. He has **** at quarterback, but he is a real good prospect in his own right. He will be only a sophmore coming into this season.

http://www.fantasycollegeblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/chris-mcgaha1.bmp

Beast

He's going to be one helluva slot reciever for some team.

[ToldLikeItIs]

How about Derrell-Johnson Koulianos
Junior to be
WR Iowa
6'1 220
970 yards 8 tds, frosh/soph year

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

Who has more upside, Julio Jones or Malcolm Williams?

Neither is draft eligible now, but those two are just future animals...both have a legit shot at being top 5-10 picks.
cant wait until Julio is draft eligible because AJ Green will too.

it'll be basically who do you want?

Julio Jones=T.O.

or

AJ Green=Randy Moss

[TACKLE]

cant wait until Julio is draft eligible because AJ Green will too.

it'll be basically who do you want?

Julio Jones=T.O.

or

AJ Green=Randy Moss

No. No. No. No. No. No.

They have a similar build but that's where that comparison ends. When it comes to talent, Green can't even come close to sniffing Moss. Moss is the most talented WR in NFL history.

[BRAVEHEART]

No. No. No. No. No. No.

They have a similar build but that's where that comparison ends. When it comes to talent, Green can't even come close to sniffing Moss. Moss is the most talented WR in NFL history.


Before Calvin came into the league...yeah.


Btw folks, don't forget about USC's other star (michigan native) Ronald Johnson.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03j87QRecb23l/610x.jpg

he could be picked before Damian if his combine numbers are as good as I think they are.

[D-Unit]

Before Calvin came into the league...yeah.


Btw folks, don't forget about USC's other star (michigan native) Ronald Johnson.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03j87QRecb23l/610x.jpg

he could be picked before Damian if his combine numbers are as good as I think they are.
His 40 time will keep him from being a high pick.

[D-Unit]

Who has more upside, Julio Jones or Malcolm Williams?

Neither is draft eligible now, but those two are just future animals...both have a legit shot at being top 5-10 picks.
I'll probably be in the minority, but I'll stick my neck out for Malcolm Williams.

[Thumper]

His 40 time will keep him from being a high pick.

His high school recruiting page has him running a 4.4

http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=38028

[D-Unit]

His high school recruiting page has him running a 4.4
Oh yeah? Great source. :rolleyes:

[murdamal86]

Look out for LSU's Terrance Toliver as well

http://www.tigerrag.com/wp-content/uploads/toliver_web.jpg

i hate to say it but this is his now or never season with him because umm he has the talent but he better put it together or fall down on the depth chart

[BRAVEHEART]

Oh yeah? Great source. :rolleyes:


He's one of the speedsters on the team, I doubt he runs anything higher than a 4.4

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Demariyius Thomas is so sick. I wish he wasn't in the damn triple option offense. If he can run in the late 4.4's or early 4.5's, he will be a top 15 pick.

[Buc Baller12]

Who has more upside, Julio Jones or Malcolm Williams?

Neither is draft eligible now, but those two are just future animals...both have a legit shot at being top 5-10 picks.

I think Williams can declare for the 10 draft. He is 3 years removed from HS? :confused:

[Sniper]

Btw folks, don't forget about USC's other star (michigan native) Ronald Johnson.

I hate you so much.

[coordinator0]

I like Briscoe a lot. Of course as a Ravens fan just about anybody mentioned in this thread (save for the Michigan receivers... yuck) would look good in purple next year :D.

[etk]

I like Briscoe a lot. Of course as a Ravens fan just about anybody mentioned in this thread (save for the Michigan receivers... yuck) would look good in purple next year :D.

lol

Briscoe is as complete as it gets for a WR.

[Thumper]

Dez Bryant is not having a good game, he has made bad decisions fielding punts, is getting called for PI a couple times, dropping passes and playing undisciplined in general. The physical Georgia defense has gotten to him.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Dez Bryant is not having a good game, he has made bad decisions fielding punts, is getting called for PI a couple times, dropping passes and playing undisciplined in general. The physical Georgia defense has gotten to him.

He has two touchdown catches. lol

[JFLO]

He has two touchdown catches. lol

He also dropped some easy passes and was beaten around physically in some points in the game.

[holt_bruce81]

Denario Alexander looked studly today against Illinois.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

How bad is Benn's injury?

[Don Vito]

Julio Jones is just physically imposing. He does not look like a WR, there are some serious NFL WR prospects in college football right now. Jones, Bryant, and Benn look like LBs playing WR.

[SuperKevin]

Julio Jones is just physically imposing. He does not look like a WR, there are some serious NFL WR prospects in college football right now. Jones, Bryant, and Benn look like LBs playing WR.

Don't forget Damaryius Thomas at Georgia Tech. He's a big boy too

[Sniper]

Junior Hemingway is the man!

[Saints-Tigers]

I like Tolliver much much much more than LaFell, who everyone seems to be falling in love with.

+rep, you were right dude.

You are also extremely good looking.

[SuperMcgee]

Good game for Roosevelt. Maynard's not as good of a thrower as Willy I
was, but Roosevelt's sure hands and ability to run after the catch were on display tonight. Tougher match against Pitt next week.

Decker and Mike Williams both looked good in the early game, as could be expected.

[thetedginnshow]

+rep, you were right dude.

You are also extremely good looking.

I'd still rather have LaFell. And now if we can get him later...

[Malaka]

Don't forget Damaryius Thomas at Georgia Tech. He's a big boy too

If only he played in a more pass oriented offense... at least we know he can block :/

[jballa838]

Travis Benjamin tomorrow <3

[SeanTaylorRIP]

If only he played in a more pass oriented offense... at least we know he can block :/

The fact that he had more receiving yards last year than DHB shows how good he is. I really think Demaryius is going to be a monster on the NFL level. I mean he plays in that damn Navy option offense that was brought over but yesterday still had 4 catches for 101 yards. He just makes big plays every game even when he is only given 3 or 4 chances unlike guys like Benn and Bryant who get thrown to 10+ times every game. At 6-3" 230 He is so damn impressive. He and Benn physically are just animals in this years WR draft class.

[D-Unit]

The fact that he had more receiving yards last year than DHB shows how good he is. I really think Demaryius is going to be a monster on the NFL level. I mean he plays in that damn Navy option offense that was brought over but yesterday still had 4 catches for 101 yards. He just makes big plays every game even when he is only given 3 or 4 chances unlike guys like Benn and Bryant who get thrown to 10+ times every game. At 6-3" 230 He is so damn impressive. He and Benn physically are just animals in this years WR draft class.
Yeah, but I don't even think Demaryius runs under 4.6. That'll hurt him.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Maybe not but I think he could get close with good training. I liken him in the NFL to someone like Marques Colston.

[murdamal86]

Yeah, but I don't even think Demaryius runs under 4.6. That'll hurt him.

you're going to hear the Anquan Boldin comparisons then come draft time and that's not a bad thing

[P-L]

A guy I really, really like is Mike Williams from Syracuse. He doesn't have a lot of buzz around him because he was on an academic suspension all of last year. He's 6'2" 210 and runs in the high 4.4's in the 40. He had nearly 1000 yards and 10 TD in 2007, on an awful Syracuse team. Right now, I have him as my #3 senior receiver and I think he could climb even higher with a good season.

[SuperKevin]

A guy I really, really like is Mike Williams from Syracuse. He doesn't have a lot of buzz around him because he was on an academic suspension all of last year. He's 6'2" 210 and runs in the high 4.4's in the 40. He had nearly 1000 yards and 10 TD in 2007, on an awful Syracuse team. Right now, I have him as my #3 senior receiver and I think he could climb even higher with a good season.

Yeah he's really good. It's weird that there could potentially be 2 first round talents on a team that could go 1-10

[Babylon]

Not having read 5 pages of replies here i'm not sure if Riley Cooper of Florida has been mentioned. He's big (about 6-4 and 220) and extremely fast (sub 4.4). Hopefully he isnt another of these guys that think they can make a living hitting a slider and focuses soley on football.

[TACKLE]

A guy I really, really like is Mike Williams from Syracuse. He doesn't have a lot of buzz around him because he was on an academic suspension all of last year. He's 6'2" 210 and runs in the high 4.4's in the 40. He had nearly 1000 yards and 10 TD in 2007, on an awful Syracuse team. Right now, I have him as my #3 senior receiver and I think he could climb even higher with a good season.

That #3 WR spot is definitely up for grabs. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he separated himself from guys like Damien Williams and Mardy Gilyard to be that guy.

[JFLO]

That #3 WR spot is definitely up for grabs. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he separated himself from guys like Damien Williams and Mardy Gilyard to be that guy.

I wouldn't even say the #3 spot is up for grabs, the #1 spot is up for grabs. I don't think either Benn, Bryant or Williams will do enough to separate themselves from each other. Come April (assuming all three will most likely declare) it should be a team preference to see which receiver is selected first.

It should be an interesting debate throughout the season.

My projection is that Benn is the #1 guy come April, followed by Williams and Bryant.

[Thumper]

Brandon Lafell > Damian Williams
Dezmon Briscoe > Damian Williams

IMO they have more potential, I think Williams is a #2 receiver in the NFL he isn't fantastic in any aspect of the game and he isn't big or fast (he is more quick than fast), while I think that Lafell and Briscoe are #1 talents along with Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, Arrelious Benn and Mike Williams.

[JFLO]

Brandon Lafell > Damian Williams
Dezmon Briscoe > Damian Williams

IMO they have more potential, I think Williams is a #2 receiver in the NFL he isn't fantastic in any aspect of the game and he isn't big or fast (he is more quick than fast), while I think that Lafell and Briscoe are #1 talents along with Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, Arrelious Benn and Mike Williams.

I think Damian Williams is the best route runner in the class, without a doubt.

[Thumper]

I think Damian Williams is the best route runner in the class, without a doubt.

Me too but that doesn't make him a #1 receiver.

[TACKLE]

Damian Williams reminds me A LOT of Reggie Wayne.

[Thumper]

Marty Gilyard is really good but he is much smaller than his listed height, he looks about the same size that DeSean Jackson was at during the combine.

[regoob2]

Marty Gilyard is really good but he is much smaller than his listed height, he looks about the same size that DeSean Jackson was at during the combine.
No way is he 6-1. More like 5-11 at best.

[JFLO]

Me too but that doesn't make him a #1 receiver.

How is route running not a great aspect of his game if he is the best route runner in the class?

[regoob2]

How is route running not a great aspect of his game if he is the best route runner in the class?
He never said it wasnt. He said that doesnt make him the best WR in this class and he's right.

[Thumper]

How is route running not a great aspect of his game if he is the best route runner in the class?

:confused:

It is a fantastic aspect of his game, but does it make him a #1 WR? No. The #1 receiver is typically a game breaker like Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Smith and Chad Johnson etc. etc. and I don't think that Williams stands out in any aspect of the game, he isn't a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball and he isn't going to go high for the big grab ala Plax or Fitz.

I would liken him to Jerricho Cotchery who is a great #2 receiver. Similar size, speed and skill set.

[JFLO]

Brandon Lafell > Damian Williams
Dezmon Briscoe > Damian Williams

IMO they have more potential, I think Williams is a #2 receiver in the NFL he isn't fantastic in any aspect of the game and he isn't big or fast (he is more quick than fast), while I think that Lafell and Briscoe are #1 talents along with Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, Arrelious Benn and Mike Williams.

I think Damian Williams is the best route runner in the class, without a doubt.

Me too but that doesn't make him a #1 receiver.

I know he said that, I was just confused with how he could say that there isn't ONE aspect of Williams game that stands out when he agreed that his route running is the best in the class?

[Thumper]

Maybe I should've said physical aspect, he is a great route runner but he is an average athlete who is more quick than fast and IMO he will probably run a 4.5 time at the combine.

[P-L]

I think Damian Williams has enough speed to be a #1 receiver. He's not a 4.3 guy, but he's definitely a sub-4.5 guy.

[derza222]

Damian Williams reminds me A LOT of Reggie Wayne.

Interesting comparison. I like Williams, think that he's the kind of guy who ends up going in the second half of the first round because of his lack of ridiculous tools but ends up outperforming that draft position.

Homer thought: Wonder if the Jets take his experience with Sanchez into account at all if the value is about right, though I doubt it. Interesting potential landing spot though given their need for a WR and the familiarty there. He may be a little too similar to Cotchery for their taste though.

[etk]

You guys have mentioned a lot of names here...where do I start?

Demaryius Thomas is a stud and his game speed is tremendous. He's like a bigger version of Hakeem Nicks...a possession receiver that's also a surprising deep threat.

Mike Williams is not on the same level as Damian Williams and definitely not Mardy Gilyard.

BTW Scott's top 4 Sr receivers are just as I'd rank em. No clue who Andre Roberts is tho, but Jacoby Ford is a special athlete.

[SuperKevin]

You guys have mentioned a lot of names here...where do I start?

Demaryius Thomas is a stud and his game speed is tremendous. He's like a bigger version of Hakeem Nicks...a possession receiver that's also a surprising deep threat.

Mike Williams is not on the same level as Damian Williams and definitely not Mardy Gilyard.

BTW Scott's top 4 Sr receivers are just as I'd rank em. No clue who Andre Roberts is tho, but Jacoby Ford is a special athlete.

Andre Roberts is the next FCS flavor of the month. He had a whopping 30 yards on 10 catches against North Carolina

[etk]

Andre Roberts is the next FCS flavor of the month. He had a whopping 30 yards on 10 catches against North Carolina

wow...Sniper would have a field day with those YPC numbers.

[TACKLE]

Look out for this guy in 2011.

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Tostitos+Fiesta+Bowl+8mS8mUemvErl.jpg

[Babylon]

Look out for this guy in 2011.

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Tostitos+Fiesta+Bowl+8mS8mUemvErl.jpg

Good call, i see a Matt Jones comparison there.

[Babylon]

Another ho-hum day for Riley Cooper at UF. 5 catches 37yd td. great downfield blocker. The guy is a beast at 6-4 220lbs. Riley you know you cant hit the breaking ball stick with football.

[katnip]

Any1 here like Dezmon Briscoe?

Him and Dez Bryant are brilliant WR prospects too me.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I like Briscoe he's got size and speed. Still I love Mardy Gilyard and truly think he can work into the mid-early 20's portion of the draft. Someone compared Damian Williams to Reggie Wayne earlier in this thread, but if anyone I think Gilyard is closer to a Reggie Wayne type.

[Hurricanes25]

I like Briscoe he's got size and speed. Still I love Mardy Gilyard and truly think he can work into the mid-early 20's portion of the draft. Someone compared Damian Williams to Reggie Wayne earlier in this thread, but if anyone I think Gilyard is closer to a Reggie Wayne type.

I agree. I really like the Gilyard/Wayne comparsion. The more I see of Gilyard the more I like him and the more he reminds me of Wayne. They both have good hands and run really crisp routes. It looks like it will be a good draft for receivers.

[Thumper]

I would've never thought of that STRIP. Are we looking at the same guy? Gilyard from Cincy? The guy that looks like he is no more than 5'9" and 175 pounds with 4.4 speed, he is like a poor mans DeSean Jackson.

What do you think makes him comprable to Wayne? Just curious because from what I've seen Wayne is a possession receiver and Gilyard is a big play threat.

[SuperKevin]

I would've never thought of that STRIP. Are we looking at the same guy? Gilyard from Cincy? The guy that looks like he is no more than 5'9" and 175 pounds with 4.4 speed, he is like a poor mans DeSean Jackson.

What do you think makes him comprable to Wayne? Just curious because from what I've seen Wayne is a possession receiver and Gilyard is a big play threat.

I think Wayne has big play capability but the Colts just never relied on him to make the big play

[Thumper]

I think Wayne has big play capability but the Colts just never relied on him to make the big play

True.

Okay, Gilyard cannot do what Reggie Wayne does in the short/intermediate area passing game just by virtue of size because Wayne has about 2"-3" and about 20 pounds on him.

[Hurricanes25]

I think Wayne has big play capability but the Colts just never relied on him to make the big play

Yea, your right. Wayne is so good at picking up yards after the catch they rarely have him go deep. Wayne is one of those gusy that plays faster than he times. He has very deceptive speed.

[Hurricanes25]

I would've never thought of that STRIP. Are we looking at the same guy? Gilyard from Cincy? The guy that looks like he is no more than 5'9" and 175 pounds with 4.4 speed, he is like a poor mans DeSean Jackson.

What do you think makes him comprable to Wayne? Just curious because from what I've seen Wayne is a possession receiver and Gilyard is a big play threat.

Rivals/Yahoosports has him listed as 6'1 187 lbs but Im not sure how accurate that is.

[mattrice]

Somebody I like in the later rounds is Bryan Anderson from Central Michigan. 6-5 215 4.55 speed. Great hands. Good route running. Also, very strong. I personally think that speed is overrated at the pro level. The best receivers in the NFL are big enough to go over the top of the CB's and strong enough to get off the line of scrimmage and run their route (Fitzgerald, Bowe, A. Johnson, Boldin, Ward). None of these guys are speed burners, but they are STRONG.

[P-L]

Mike Williams is ******** all over Northwestern right now.

9 receptions, 188 yards, 1 TD

Still 8:00 left in the game too.

[will99890]

Nice to see a Cuse guy getting some attention. Mike Williams is great and looks to be back to his sophomore form. He isn't the fastest, probably 4.5-4.6 range, but he just gets the job done. Also Paulus at QB has definitely helped, if only he went to Cuse for his whole career, oh well.

[Pittbc7]

Eric Decker is a stud, if he stays healthy he should be winning the biletnikoff this year.

[katnip]

Eric Decker is a stud, if he stays healthy he should be winning the biletnikoff this year.

Is Eric Decker anything like Ed McCaffrey?? Eddy was a beast for a few years if I remember right.

[YAYareaRB]

Is Eric Decker anything like Ed McCaffrey?? Eddy was a beast for a few years if I remember right.

I don't think Eric Decker is as tall or lanky as Ed Mac was and I think Decker is better after the catch. Eric Decker reminds me of Patrick Crayton (Dallas)

[CashmoneyDrew]

I don't think Eric Decker is as tall or lanky as Ed Mac was and I think Decker is better after the catch. Eric Decker reminds me of Patrick Crayton (Dallas)

Whoa, whoa, whoa! We can compare a white receiver to a black receiver? When did this happen?

;)

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

am i really a huge homer if i think LaFell is the best receiver coming out? if Dez Bryant doesn't..

[Saints-Tigers]

^^ Probably. I don't see it with LaFell, he's never really impressed me that much.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

^^ Probably. I don't see it with LaFell, he's never really impressed me that much.
yeah aside from his elite separation, great hands and elite run blocking he's not done much :/

[Saints-Tigers]

Except he doesn't get elite seperation, and he miffs a lot of catchable balls.

[Babylon]

Is Eric Decker anything like Ed McCaffrey?? Eddy was a beast for a few years if I remember right.

I dont think Decker has McCaffrey's speed, the problem with Decker as i see it is he takes too many hits, which will be even more magnified at the next level.

[Race for the Heisman]

am i really a huge homer if i think LaFell is the best receiver coming out? if Dez Bryant doesn't..

No, just a regular homer. LaFell is mad nice.

[Saints-Tigers]

As a guy whose seen him play a ton, he just reminds me of Dwayne Bowe without the bulk, and before the eye surgery.

I just worry about his hands sometimes.

[Don Vito]

Keep an eye out for Dexter McCluster on thursday night. He can run, catch, block, and just flat out make plays. He's a little guy but he is incredibly fast, has some of the best change of direction ability, and is very strong for his size.

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[Hines]

I love me some Dexter McCluster.

[ElectricEye]

McCluster is fun to watch. Fumbles a bit too much, but he's got jets.

[Don Vito]

Yeah early last year he had some terrible fumblitis. He really hurt us in a couple of games, but he improved as the year went on. He had a fumble against LSU that I remember, but other than that he held on to the ball during our second half of the season run. Holding onto the ball was what he worked on all offseason, hopefully it pays dividends. He is a 5-8 170 pound WR who lines up at RB often, so I guess we should expect a fumble now and then but if he holds onto the ball this year he could be a very nice slot prospect.

[CC.SD]

Reggie Wayne is an interesting comparison for Damian. That's a best case scenario obviously, but in the right situation and given time to develop I could see it happening. I think a more likely scenario is him developing into a devastating #2, which is definitely worth a late 1st. Guy doesn't really have holes in his game and is smooth as silk.

[P-L]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Mike Williams dominated again today.

13 catches, 186 yards, 2 TD

[draftguru151]

I hate to sound like a broken record, but Mike Williams dominated again today.

13 catches, 186 yards, 2 TD

Such a beast. Good size, physical, explosive, needs to stop dropping balls though.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Damaryius Thomas is such a freak. The way he produces in the least pass happy system of any major conference school is amazing. Nesbitt only completed 14 passes today and Thomas had 8 of them for 175 yards and a TD. With his size, superior blocking ability, and strong hands he has potential to be a great NFL receiver. I'd call him a first round pick right now. Running in the low 4.5's would push him into the top 15 IMO.

[the decider13]

Damaryius Thomas is such a freak. The way he produces in the least pass happy system of any major conference school is amazing. Nesbitt only completed 14 passes today and Thomas had 8 of them for 175 yards and a TD. With his size, superior blocking ability, and strong hands he has potential to be a great NFL receiver. I'd call him a first round pick right now. Running in the low 4.5's would push him into the top 15 IMO.

I've been on this bandwagon for a while. I think Thomas could end up bein the best WR out of this draft. I'd take him over Crabs, Benn and would think hard about taking him over Bryant.

[soybean]

Reggie Wayne is an interesting comparison for Damian. That's a best case scenario obviously, but in the right situation and given time to develop I could see it happening. I think a more likely scenario is him developing into a devastating #2, which is definitely worth a late 1st. Guy doesn't really have holes in his game and is smooth as silk.

well for the majority of his career, reggie wayne WAS a number 2.

[holt_bruce81]

Whats everyone think of Danario Alexander? he's 6'5 215 pounds and has a 45 inch Vertical. He seems to be climbing up a lot of draft boards. Has been very impressive so far for Missouri. Coming off 3 knee surgeries though could hurt his stock.

In 2007 Danario was more impressive than Jeremy Maclin in Camp and actually won the Starting job over Maclin before getting hurt in the opening game against Illinois.

[raiderz4life]

IDK if he's been mentioned but I'm loving me some Eric Decker...the guys is a flat out football player.

[danzing1488]

Jordan Shipley to me is a clone of Greg Jennings, with more speed. His only negative to me is that he is injury prone. He is 6 feet tall, a muscular 190lbs, elite short area quickness (best double move in the college game) and is a return man as well. Not many sites have him going in the 1st round (which I do not understand by the way, Maclin went in the first round last year, and Shipley is the same size and faster with better stats) I think he is going to shock people with his 40 time at the combine (my guess is 4.38, you heard it here first..lol) In my opinion the top 5 receiver's in college football are....

1. Eric Decker-Dwayne Bowe clone with better hands
2. Dez Bryant-Big, strong with great hands, a faster Aquan Boldin
3. Golden Tate-Steve Smith clone, tore it up yesterday against Washington
4. Jordan Shipley-Greg Jennings clone, not much he cant do
5. Blair White-Great size, very good speed, a sleeper, but I think will really
come on strong the rest of the year.

[ToldLikeItIs]

Eric Decker - Muhsin Muhammad in his younger, quicker days. Even after Decker loses his speed, in seven years or so, he will still be a very productive WR because of his ability to run routes, body control, and possession of exceptional hands.

Golden Tate - Mario Manningham. I think they play very similar games. Tate is probably a little more vertical however.

Aj Green - Michael Irvin. He is going to be a player for years, and a good win, possibly great.

Michael Floyd - Compares very favorably to Larry Fitzgerald. I don't like the injury issues, but his body control is unmatched, speed is surprising, he's more quick than fast, runs the routes, jumps well, and again catches everything thrown his way.

Dez Bryant - Reminds me a lot of Andre Johnson. Not as big, possibly not as fast, but more of a vertical threat. I think he'll produce early in the NFL, whereas it too Andre a few years to settle in. He's more polished.

Damian Williams - I like a Greg Jennings comparison more than Reggie Wayne. Wayne is a long strider. Williams is just a solid WR, he probably won't make any pro bowls. He's going to have a position as a #2 WR in the NFL for years.

[abaddon41_80]

Golden Tate is unstoppable.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Jordan Shipley to me is a clone of Greg Jennings, with more speed. His only negative to me is that he is injury prone. He is 6 feet tall, a muscular 190lbs, elite short area quickness (best double move in the college game) and is a return man as well. Not many sites have him going in the 1st round (which I do not understand by the way, Maclin went in the first round last year, and Shipley is the same size and faster with better stats) I think he is going to shock people with his 40 time at the combine (my guess is 4.38, you heard it here first..lol) In my opinion the top 5 receiver's in college football are....

1. Eric Decker-Dwayne Bowe clone with better hands
2. Dez Bryant-Big, strong with great hands, a faster Aquan Boldin
3. Golden Tate-Steve Smith clone, tore it up yesterday against Washington
4. Jordan Shipley-Greg Jennings clone, not much he cant do
5. Blair White-Great size, very good speed, a sleeper, but I think will really
come on strong the rest of the year.

Uh uh that's crazy, to say that Shipley is even anywhere near the same vertical threat let alone the same as Greg Jennings is wrong. I really like Shipley I do and think he can be a terrific slot receiver a Randle El type slot/PR, but I simply fail to see the Greg Jennings comparison. And Shipley definitely isn't faster than Jeremy Maclin. He might have better change of direction but just watching them on the field they are in different speed classes. I think you are overrating Shipley's speed big time. Even if he can run in the 4.3's which you say but I doubt, I don't see any of that speed on the field. I definitely see terrific short area quickness but I don't see game breaking speed like you suggest. Also I don't know why you are so infatuated with calling someone a clone. I also fail to see Dez Bryant as a Boldin clone. Maybe Arrelious but Bryant is a different type of receiver, more explosive but nothing like Boldin after the catch who is basically a RB when he gets the ball in short space.

[ToldLikeItIs]

There aren't any Boldin clones in the collegiate game right now, I agree.

Shipley reminds me of a bigger Brandon Stokely.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

There aren't any Boldin clones in the collegiate game right now, I agree.

Shipley reminds me of a bigger Brandon Stokely.

So you just went from calling him a faster Greg Jennings clone, to now a bigger Brandon Stokely. So apparently Shipley is faster than Jennings but not Stokely?

[ToldLikeItIs]

I never once said Shipley was Greg Jennings. I gave that designation to Damian Williams. You're mixing up posters.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I never once said Shipley was Greg Jennings. I gave that designation to Damian Williams. You're mixing up posters.

My bad brother, was referring to the poster above you.

[SuperKevin]

He's only a junior but I really am looking out for Vincent Brown of San Diego State in 2010. 6'0" 180 lbs awith great vertical speed and route running. This week was the first game all year he didn't have 100 yards recieving. Probably not a 1st day prospect but is easily draftable and should stick with a team

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Mike Williams has been talked about a lot and he has definitely impressed me big time this year but I think his lack of top end speed and the fact that he has Braylonitis at times will make him a fringe day 1 pick at best.

[etk]

Golden Tate - Mario Manningham. I think they play very similar games. Tate is probably a little more vertical however.


Whoa there....not even close. Manningham is small and frail and purely a vertical threat. Tate is bulky, powerful and runs well after the catch. He's a complete receiver that's just lacking in the height department.

There aren't any Boldin clones in the collegiate game right now, I agree.

Shipley reminds me of a bigger Brandon Stokely.

Aldarius Johnson is a poor man's Boldin.

Shipley reminds me of Kevin Curtis.

[danzing1488]

Uh uh that's crazy, to say that Shipley is even anywhere near the same vertical threat let alone the same as Greg Jennings is wrong. I really like Shipley I do and think he can be a terrific slot receiver a Randle El type slot/PR, but I simply fail to see the Greg Jennings comparison. And Shipley definitely isn't faster than Jeremy Maclin. He might have better change of direction but just watching them on the field they are in different speed classes. I think you are overrating Shipley's speed big time. Even if he can run in the 4.3's which you say but I doubt, I don't see any of that speed on the field. I definitely see terrific short area quickness but I don't see game breaking speed like you suggest. Also I don't know why you are so infatuated with calling someone a clone. I also fail to see Dez Bryant as a Boldin clone. Maybe Arrelious but Bryant is a different type of receiver, more explosive but nothing like Boldin after the catch who is basically a RB when he gets the ball in short space.

Lets see, where do I start with this....lets start with the "Shipley is no where near the vertical threat that Jennings is", his yards per catch (12.1 as of this post time) is more a case of the spread that Texas employs, rather then Shipley's inability to go deep. When they send him deep, he usually comes down with a TD pass, and NEVER gets caught from behind. The team that drafts Shipley, if they employ him as an outside Greg Jennings/Reggie Wayne type receiver, should get good results with him, he does have the skill set to be successful in that mold. Now am I saying that he will be as good as Jennings or Wayne, no I am not, that remains to be seen, but i AM saying he has the tools (size, speed, hands) to do so. Shipley is being pigion-holed into the "wes welker slot receiver" mold, which I don't agree with. He is bigger and faster then welker, and although he has great quickness and change of direction skills, Welker is on another level when it comes to that ability. As far as the Maclin speed comparison, Maclin ran a 4.43 at the combine, and I will pretty much bet that Shipley beats that. Remember, he is the #1 option, on the 2nd ranked team in the nation, you don't get that distinction unless your a great athlete. Just food for thought

[ToldLikeItIs]

Manningham = 5'11 185

Golden Tate = 5'11 195

They play very similar games.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Manningham = 5'11 185

Golden Tate = 5'11 195

They play very similar games.

I know the measurements may be similar but they are fairly different receivers. Manningham's game is more smooth and fluid and about using angles on defenders to get YAC. He is very clever in his route running and ability to allude defenders. Golden Tate plays like a powerhouse. His game is built around power and strength. He looks like a RB in the open field. He also attacks jump balls like a mad man and is definitely superior to Manningham in that category.

[ToldLikeItIs]

I'm not seeing the difference. They both play finesse football to me. A lot of dancing around, and quick moves.

[Hines]

Eric Decker - Muhsin Muhammad in his younger, quicker days. Even after Decker loses his speed, in seven years or so, he will still be a very productive WR because of his ability to run routes, body control, and possession of exceptional hands.

Golden Tate - Mario Manningham. I think they play very similar games. Tate is probably a little more vertical however.

Aj Green - Michael Irvin. He is going to be a player for years, and a good win, possibly great.

Michael Floyd - Compares very favorably to Larry Fitzgerald. I don't like the injury issues, but his body control is unmatched, speed is surprising, he's more quick than fast, runs the routes, jumps well, and again catches everything thrown his way.

Dez Bryant - Reminds me a lot of Andre Johnson. Not as big, possibly not as fast, but more of a vertical threat. I think he'll produce early in the NFL, whereas it too Andre a few years to settle in. He's more polished.

Damian Williams - I like a Greg Jennings comparison more than Reggie Wayne. Wayne is a long strider. Williams is just a solid WR, he probably won't make any pro bowls. He's going to have a position as a #2 WR in the NFL for years.

I think AJ Green is comparable to Randy Moss. Only difference is that Green isn't as fast as Moss.

[jballa838]

Golden Tate is a lot like Steve Smith with a little Anquan Boldin.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

He's obviously taller but AJ Green's style reminds me of Ocho Cinco.

[ToldLikeItIs]

No one is like Moss.

Who does Malcolm Williams remind anyone of, the WR from Texas.

[murdamal86]

Damaryius Thomas is such a freak. The way he produces in the least pass happy system of any major conference school is amazing. Nesbitt only completed 14 passes today and Thomas had 8 of them for 175 yards and a TD. With his size, superior blocking ability, and strong hands he has potential to be a great NFL receiver. I'd call him a first round pick right now. Running in the low 4.5's would push him into the top 15 IMO.

I've been on this bandwagon for a while. I think Thomas could end up bein the best WR out of this draft. I'd take him over Crabs, Benn and would think hard about taking him over Bryant.

Glad i'm not the only extremely high on him. To me, he's the best WR in college football. I've been convinced for some time now

[Thumper]

No one is like Moss.

Who does Malcolm Williams remind anyone of, the WR from Texas.

Randy Moss :D

[BigBanger]

Golden Tate is a lot like Steve Smith with a little Anquan Boldin.
If some people would stop comparing every WR to Smith, Boldin, Moss, and Fitzgerald, they'd see he's a lot closer to Hines Ward. Every draft we have at least 1 Anquan Boldin, 1 Steve Smith, 1 Randy Moss, 1 Larry Fitzgerald, 1 Andre Johnson, and sometimes we have a combination of two of those players. Ward did everything at Georgia. In case most forgot what Ward looked like coming out of college:

Ttp21Ag9Jpo

Thomas' run blocking is overrated (he's not close to what Anquan Boldin was and Thomas is an excellent run blocker), his big play ability is finally getting some recognition. He's not Floyd' or Julio Jones' level right now, but he has some serious upside. Pretty bad route runner though. Needs a lot of work there, but most WR run **** routes.

[etk]

Golden Tate is a lot like Steve Smith with a little Anquan Boldin.

This was what I had in mind. Hines Ward works too.

Tate is a unique talent and a blend of those 3 is what I see.

[Babylon]

If some people would stop comparing every WR to Smith, Boldin, Moss, and Fitzgerald, they'd see he's a lot closer to Hines Ward. Every draft we have at least 1 Anquan Boldin, 1 Steve Smith, 1 Randy Moss, 1 Larry Fitzgerald, 1 Andre Johnson, and sometimes we have a combination of two of those players. Ward did everything at Georgia. In case most forgot what Ward looked like coming out of college:

Ttp21Ag9Jpo

Thomas' run blocking is overrated (he's not close to what Anquan Boldin was and Thomas is an excellent run blocker), his big play ability is finally getting some recognition. He's not Floyd' or Julio Jones' level right now, but he has some serious upside. Pretty bad route runner though. Needs a lot of work there, but most WR run **** routes.

I like the Ward comparison, not the blocker obviously. I think Tate is faster and better after the catch than Ward. Really like what this guy is going to be at the next level.

[ElectricEye]

Golden Tate is a playmaker. Steve Smith is a good comparison. He isn't at the same level, obviously, but size, speed, and YAC ability are eerily similar. Ward and Boldin don't work for me because Tate is a notch or two above both of those guys when it comes to speed.

[katnip]

Most complete WR prospect in your guys opinion?

[HawkEye30]

Golden Tate kind of reminds me of Lance Moore a bit, idk why but I just think that when I watch them both.

[Staubach12]

Golden Tate is a playmaker. Steve Smith is a good comparison. He isn't at the same level, obviously, but size, speed, and YAC ability are eerily similar. Ward and Boldin don't work for me because Tate is a notch or two above both of those guys when it comes to speed.

I like that comparison. Ward and Boldin are these kind of players who run like a back with the ball in their hands. Tate has that and elite speed. Fantastic tools.

[HawkEye30]

Most complete WR prospect in your guys opinion?

I would have to say right now it's real close between Dez Bryant and Demaryius Thomas, but I would give the slight nod to Bryant. I think it's real unfortunate for Arrelious Benn this year because I think he had some things to improve on but he just has a terrible quarterback. With that said I would still put him #3.

[Thumper]

Mike Williams is making a serious move for the #1 receiver spot this year. He is extremely talented, he gets lost in the discussion because he missed last year but he is not rusty. I'm convinced he is a first round player. He is so strong, he can leap, he has strong hands and he just attacks the ball. Mike Williams is a monster receiver who should be really good in the NFL. I'm going to call it now and say that in April he will be the first receiver drafted, not Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn or Brandon Lafell.

And, Golden Tate seems like a second rate Steve Smith. He is built thick like Steve Smith, has the same skills as Steve Smith but his hands are sooo sketchy, he should be the best deep threat in college and he should have a ton of touchdowns but he drops so many of them or he tries to draw a pass interference call.

And Brandon Lafell is the most complete receiver in the draft, he blocks, he catches, he runs routes and is basically a Kenny Britt/Dwayne Bowe clone. He doesn't have the upside of Dez Bryant, or Mike Williams but he is going to go in round 1 because he is so pro ready.

[ElectricEye]

I like Mike Williams a whole lot. Probably more than I like any senior receiver in this class. I'm not sure about him being a better player than Dez Bryant or getting drafted in the first round, but he's boosting up boards right now with the way he's playing. Think he ends up as a fringe first round/early second round pick for somebody.

[Babylon]

Mike Williams is making a serious move for the #1 receiver spot this year. He is extremely talented, he gets lost in the discussion because he missed last year but he is not rusty. I'm convinced he is a first round player. He is so strong, he can leap, he has strong hands and he just attacks the ball. Mike Williams is a monster receiver who should be really good in the NFL. I'm going to call it now and say that in April he will be the first receiver drafted, not Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn or Brandon Lafell.

And, Golden Tate seems like a second rate Steve Smith. He is built thick like Steve Smith, has the same skills as Steve Smith but his hands are sooo sketchy, he should be the best deep threat in college and he should have a ton of touchdowns but he drops so many of them or he tries to draw a pass interference call.

And Brandon Lafell is the most complete receiver in the draft, he blocks, he catches, he runs routes and is basically a Kenny Britt/Dwayne Bowe clone. He doesn't have the upside of Dez Bryant, or Mike Williams but he is going to go in round 1 because he is so pro ready.

I think they made some mistakes throwing jump balls to Tate in the Michigan game. To me he's better with short to medium routes where he can use his running back ability. Don't tell the UW Huskies he cant catch the ball he looked like Jerry Rice in that game.

[Thumper]

I like Mike Williams a whole lot. Probably more than I like any senior receiver in this class. I'm not sure about him being a better player than Dez Bryant or getting drafted in the first round, but he's boosting up boards right now with the way he's playing. Think he ends up as a fringe first round/early second round pick for somebody.

Why not? Mike Williams is just as good as Dez production wise and he is a better athlete. I don't think anyone is going to hold him out of the first, because with his physical abilities (6'2" 200 pounds, 4.4. speed and a 40"+ vert) he will be in demand. He is a strong possession receiver who will make the tough catches and will fight for the ball at it's highest point and he can make a big play deep when called upon.

[roscoesdad27]

demaryius thomas is having a tremendous year...i have him third on my reciever board.

1) dez
2) benn
3) thomas
4) d. williams
5) m. williams
6) b. lafell

[ElectricEye]

Why not? Mike Williams is just as good as Dez production wise and he is a better athlete. I don't think anyone is going to hold him out of the first, because with his physical abilities (6'2" 200 pounds, 4.4. speed and a 40"+ vert) he will be in demand. He is a strong possession receiver who will make the tough catches and will fight for the ball at it's highest point and he can make a big play deep when called upon.

I doubt he runs 4.4. Like...seriously doubt it. He's more of a 4.5 guy. Nothing wrong with that, but he's more of a good receiver than phenomenal athlete. He's not really all that big either. There's always going to be more attractive athletes at that position than him.

As far as Williams in comparison to other guys goes, I think you're seriously underestimating Dez Bryant. When he was healthy last year, he was just as good as Michael Crabtree had been and that's a really, really big deal. The catches he makes are flat out ridiculous. He's another guy who isn't a top flight athlete, but he's faster straight line than Williams, just as good as a leaper, and quicker out of cuts. He's one of like four or five guys I would put above him at this point if we're counting juniors just based on consistent production and or athletic abilities.

[murdamal86]

demaryius thomas is having a tremendous year...i have him third on my reciever board.

1) dez
2) benn
3) thomas
4) d. williams
5) m. williams
6) b. lafell

to me the top 3 are interchangeable based on preference and opinion because my top 3 is Thomas, Benn, then Bryant.

[djp]

Dez Bryant is nothing like Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson is a complete receiver. Dez Bryant has not proven to me he's anywhere near as physical as Andre and probably doesn't match up with measurables.

If I had to put an NFL comparison on Dez Bryant it would be a taller Santonio Holmes.

[P-L]

The 40 is going to be huge for Mike Williams. If he runs a sub-4.5 than top 15 is not out of the question.

[SuperKevin]

Does anyone think intelligence(or lack thereof) might play a factor in where Mike Williams is drafted. Based on talent alone he should be a 1st round pick but considering his academic troubles there may be concern with his ability to grasp a playbook. The same thing happened to Chad Jackson

[Babylon]

Does anyone think intelligence(or lack thereof) might play a factor in where Mike Williams is drafted. Based on talent alone he should be a 1st round pick but considering his academic troubles there may be concern with his ability to grasp a playbook. The same thing happened to Chad Jackson

To hear some Syracuse alumni talk you'd think they were all genuises. Does Williams have some issues with smarts?

[SuperKevin]

To hear some Syracuse alumni talk you'd think they were all genuises. Does Williams have some issues with smarts?

Missed last year due to academic issues

[Babylon]

Missed last year due to academic issues

B.J. Raji had some academic issues too. If he can absorb the playbook he's ok with me. I don't think WRs need the same intelligence level that QBs do.

[Thumper]

If Mario Manningham and Hakeem Nicks can be selected in the first 3 rounds of the draft, the NFL doesn't make intelligence a big issue. Those 2 are third world stupid.

[SuperKevin]

B.J. Raji had some academic issues too. If he can absorb the playbook he's ok with me. I don't think WRs need the same intelligence level that QBs do.

Wasn't Raji's issue with credits not transferring or something?

[Babylon]

Wasn't Raji's issue with credits not transferring or something?

I believe it was. As thumper pointed out there are some real dummies playing WR in the NFL, unless Williams is too stupid to know what plays they're calling then i dont see it as a problem. He'd fit right in in Buffalo wouldnt he?:)

[SuperKevin]

I believe it was. As thumper pointed out there are some real dummies playing WR in the NFL, unless Williams is too stupid to know what plays they're calling then i dont see it as a problem. He'd fit right in in Buffalo wouldnt he?:)

No he wouldn't because he doesn't play RB. Trent Edwards doesn't throw to WRs

[regoob2]

To hear some Syracuse alumni talk you'd think they were all genuises. Does Williams have some issues with smarts?I believe he was suspended for cheating.

[P-L]

Yeah, Williams was suspended for cheating on a final exam.

[ElectricEye]

I agree with P-L on William's 40 time having a ton to do with his stock. If he does show he's a high 4.4 guy, he cements himself as a first round talent. I'm just not convinced he would go there. Demaryius Thomas, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, and Dez Bryant are all potential first round picks if they come out(and most of them probably will). Add Brandon LaFell(who would probably fall out as well) into that group and you've got a pretty deep receiver class. I think Williams would get lost in the shuffle with that group. I LOVE his game, but I think he's going to be a second round pick when it's all said and done and it probably has a lot to do with measurables.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

If Williams running under 4.5 makes him a top 15 pick than Thomas running under 4.5 should make him a top 5 pick. With Thomas he's such a big freak and complete receiver the only question with him is speed. He can make himself millions by focusing solely on his 40 time.

[P-L]

Thomas is a great player, but his stock is going to be hurt by the offense he plays in. Obviously, he can put up numbers when Tech throws the ball but they don't do that often enough. He might need to stay for his senior season to get noticed more by scouts.

[ElectricEye]

He's putting up the numbers though. His stock is really going up at the moment and they're finding ways to get him the ball. Even though they only had 14 attempts last week, he still caught 8 balls for 174 yards. I'm not sure that kind of production will keep up, but I don't think he'll have a problems getting yards given that he's been doing so much damage on the deep ball this year.

[SuperKevin]

I think the only knock on Demaryius Thomas will be on whether or not his production is simply due to the fact that defenses play 8 men up to stop the run so Thomas is virtually 1 on 1 on every single play.

[ElectricEye]

I think the only knock on Demaryius Thomas will be on whether or not his production is simply due to the fact that defenses play 8 men up to stop the run so Thomas is virtually 1 on 1 on every single play.

But you can also equally defend his numbers by how few times Tech throws the ball and how everyone knows where it's going when they do. It balances itself out.

[SuperKevin]

But you can also equally defend his numbers by how few times Tech throws the ball and how everyone knows where it's going when they do. It balances itself out.

Yes but it's hard to correct yourself when you've already committed to the run. By the time you realize it's a pass, it's too late to try to double cover Thomas

[ElectricEye]

Yes but it's hard to correct yourself when you've already committed to the run. By the time you realize it's a pass, it's too late to try to double cover Thomas

Eh, I still think the disadvantage he faces by how few times they throw the ball up is bigger than the advantage he gets from single coverage. It's not like there's not always a guy on him. Think he would put up even better numbers in a conventional offensive scheme.

[TACKLE]

I really like what I've seen from Mike Williams. As of right now he is my #3 WR and could pass Benn as my #2. The guy is the complete package and has really been producing this year.

[Staubach12]

Benn has been moving up fast on my boards. Right now I have:
1. Dez Bryant
2. Brandon Lafell
3. Eric Decker
4. Arrelious Benn
5. Mike Williams

I'm a lot higher on Decker than a lot of people right now but he'll drop I think. Not because of anything with him, just because I'm seeing some awesome stuff from Benn and Williams.

[P-L]

Ugh. I wish Mike Williams played for a better team. Syracuse only completed 12 passes for 150 yards and Williams had 4 catches for 89 including a huge 50 yards touchdown. Imagine this guy's production if he had a better quarterback and someone else to help take coverage away from him.

[wonderbredd24]

Ugh. I wish Mike Williams played for a better team. Syracuse only completed 12 passes for 150 yards and Williams had 4 catches for 89 including a huge 50 yards touchdown. Imagine this guy's production if he had a better quarterback and someone else to help take coverage away from him.

DeMaryus Thomas is jealous of Mike Williams

[P-L]

Yeah, I understand Thomas is in a ****** situation too. I'm just pimping Williams because I've been on his bandwagon since before the season and he was very under the radar. Thomas was getting a lot of hype (on here, not so much from NFL scouts) going back to last year. Nesbitt is a pretty decent quarterback. It's too bad Georgia Tech only throws the ball 12 times per game.

[draftguru151]

Thomas gets a lot of favorable match ups though because of GTs offense.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Thomas gets a lot of favorable match ups though because of GTs offense.

The window of opportunity though to produce is so slim. Even though they are putting up stats I guarantee you if they knew Paul Johnson was going to be the coach Thomas, Nesbitt, and even Jonathan Dwyer wouldn't have gone to GT. It's a very successful college system but it does these players no justice in scouts eyes. I mean Dwyer doesn't really even get to show what he does because all he does is dives from the FB position all game long.

[Ozzy]

The window of opportunity though to produce is so slim. Even though they are putting up stats I guarantee you if they knew Paul Johnson was going to be the coach Thomas, Nesbitt, and even Jonathan Dwyer wouldn't have gone to GT. It's a very successful college system but it does these players no justice in scouts eyes. I mean Dwyer doesn't really even get to show what he does because all he does is dives from the FB position all game long.I agree, they really do not use Dwyer they way they should. Back to the topic of Thomas though, no way he gets better statistics and production being in this type of offense. If Thomas was on a team like Ole Miss, Arkansas or even NC State, he would put up a lot more numbers because he has good quarterbacks throwing him the ball. Nesbitt couldn't be an NFL quarterback if is life depended on it.

[iBoldin]

I agree, they really do not use Dwyer they way they should. Back to the topic of Thomas though, no way he gets better statistics and production being in this type of offense. If Thomas was on a team like Ole Miss, Arkansas or even NC State, he would put up a lot more numbers because he has good quarterbacks throwing him the ball. Nesbitt couldn't be an NFL quarterback if is life depended on it.

And I think that's what makes him a top flight talent. The production he does have is marvelous for a team that threw the ball 8 times against FSU, and throws it barely more on a good day.

Stats like 4 catches for 107 yards and a touchdown is miraculous considering the pedigree of Josh Nesbitt. He does it when everyone knows the balls coming his way 75% of the time through the air.

I do worry about him in something like press coverage. Can he beat the press? Can he take on double teams? We know he's the best blocking receiver in the draft if he comes out, and his 40 time will contribute to him being drafted lower then he should. Then again, he could surprise.

He's a top-fifteen player for me. Such raw talent.

[Ozzy]

iBoldin
I do worry about him in something like press coverage. Can he beat the press? Can he take on double teams? We know he's the best blocking receiver in the draft if he comes out, and his 40 time will contribute to him being drafted lower then he should. Then again, he could surprise.
I do not have him that high right now, good prospect but still needs some work. He is not even in the same league as prospects like Dez Bryant, Eric Decker, Julio Jones or Michael Floyd. And he screams Mike Williams or Dwayne Jarrett on USC to me at times, kills because of his size in college but lacks true speed or route running. He is nothing close to former Georgia Tech star Calvin Johnson, not even close to him. And who knows how much different he would look like on a different offense, my bet is a lot different but still has some work to do regardless.

[Babylon]

The more i see of Texas WR Jordan Shipley the more i think all he can do is score touchdowns.

[Ozzy]

Here are a few senior sleeper receiver prospects for the upcoming draft:

Jacoby Ford Clemson: I like him a lot more than most, love his speed and game breaking ability, had a great game against GT earlier in the year, but he is not always productive but his speed will make a lot of people interested in him.

Freddie Barnes Bowling Green: Love this kids running ability, he is big, has strong legs and breaks tackles pretty well. Not amazingly fast but not slow either, has strong hands and runs really well after the catch. He could really show his skills at the combine and surprise a lot of people.

Kerry Meier Kansas: Clear comparison would be Matt Jones, but Meier, unlike Jones made the switch to receiver in college and is developing his game and will be much better in the pros because of it. Huge kid, soft hands and has very good body control, should be a good second tear receiver prospect.

Shay Hodge Ole Miss: Very good player, fast, consistent, makes plays down the field and can make difficult catches despite being a smaller player. Very good consistent prospect.

Brandon Banks Kansas State: Good little fast receiver, nothing amazing but has return potential and speed to burn.

Greg Mathews Michigan: Flat out shocked about his lack of production, if in a different system he would be a lot better, and he might surprise a few people in workouts potentially.



In terms of senior players, I think Eric Decker is by far the best senior receiver. His ball skills are just unmatched when looking at other seniors. And in terms of all receivers, odd thing is I would take Michael Floyd or Julio Jones over any other receivers in the nation, and not to far behind is AJ Green, so that sophomore class is the one to watch and wait for.

[Babylon]

Here are a few senior sleeper receiver prospects for the upcoming draft:

Jacoby Ford Clemson: I like him a lot more than most, love his speed and game breaking ability, had a great game against GT earlier in the year, but he is not always productive but his speed will make a lot of people interested in him.

Freddie Barnes Bowling Green: Love this kids running ability, he is big, has strong legs and breaks tackles pretty well. Not amazingly fast but not slow either, has strong hands and runs really well after the catch. He could really show his skills at the combine and surprise a lot of people.

Kerry Meier Kansas: Clear comparison would be Matt Jones, but Meier, unlike Jones made the switch to receiver in college and is developing his game and will be much better in the pros because of it. Huge kid, soft hands and has very good body control, should be a good second tear receiver prospect.

Shay Hodge Ole Miss: Very good player, fast, consistent, makes plays down the field and can make difficult catches despite being a smaller player. Very good consistent prospect.

Brandon Banks Kansas State: Good little fast receiver, nothing amazing but has return potential and speed to burn.

Greg Mathews Michigan: Flat out shocked about his lack of production, if in a different system he would be a lot better, and he might surprise a few people in workouts potentially.



In terms of senior players, I think Eric Decker is by far the best senior receiver. His ball skills are just unmatched when looking at other seniors. And in terms of all receivers, odd thing is I would take Michael Floyd or Julio Jones over any other receivers in the nation, and not to far behind is AJ Green, so that sophomore class is the one to watch and wait for.

Kerry Meier reminds me of Kevin Walter of the Texans, i dont see him with Matt Jones type speed.

As for the Supersoph receivers i would probably put Floyd at the top of that list and include a couple more than the 3 most mentioned, Posey of OSU for one. To me Julio Jones has regressed this year, not sure if it's the new QB, double teams or just him already acting like he's a pro.

[Ozzy]

i dont see him with Matt Jones type speed. Well that is true, however one could argue Matt Jones supposed speed was not football speed and he was never 4.3 fast on the field. So in terms of on the field speed, they are some what similar I feel.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I do not have him that high right now, good prospect but still needs some work. He is not even in the same league as prospects like Dez Bryant, Eric Decker, Julio Jones or Michael Floyd. And he screams Mike Williams or Dwayne Jarrett on USC to me at times, kills because of his size in college but lacks true speed or route running. He is nothing close to former Georgia Tech star Calvin Johnson, not even close to him. And who knows how much different he would look like on a different offense, my bet is a lot different but still has some work to do regardless.

Why is Julio Jones elite? I mean he has some sick physical tools but if you don't think Thomas has shown enough I don't see enough from Jones. Yeah ok QB play, run heavy offense, whatever, but I have never been overly impressed with Jones route running or body control/ball skills.

[Babylon]

Well that is true, however one could argue Matt Jones supposed speed was not football speed and he was never 4.3 fast on the field. So in terms of on the field speed, they are some what similar I feel.

He's probably better off being Kevin Walter than Jones in hingsight but Jones didnt have trouble getting seperation from what i saw of him. Part of his problem was his teams inability to get the ball down the field the other was his personal life. Is he still unsigned? There are a lot worse offenders than him collecting a paycheck every week.

[ectuberider]

A guy who I think is gonna be a great sleeper is Appalachian State QB
Armanti Edwards, I lived in Boone NC ( Thats where App is located btw) in
07,08 and I got to meet him firsthand last year and also watched almost
every game he played in. He's 6' close to 200 lbs now and is gonna run in the 4.4 range, good change of direction skills and he runs tough for being a bit undersized. The dude is flat out a winner, he's one 2 national championships and has a legit shot at a 3rd this year, he led App State to what was probably the biggest upset of the 21st century when they beat Michigan at the Big House in 07, I watched him run for 313 yds and pass for another 182 vs Richmond in the FCS national semifinals later that year (Richmond won the FCS title last year) Tim Hightower who now starts for Arizona was Richmonds running back in the game and there was no comparison between the 2. then very next game he beats Joe Flacco and Delaware to win the national championship.He lost a heart breaker to Richmond last year in the snowy 25 degree conditions or he would probably be going for his 4th national title in 4 years this year. Granted he probably wont be a #1 receiver in the NFL, but he could become a great #2 or slot receiver and could Also run the wildcat for a team and be similar to a Pat White, a guy who's a great runner but is also a threat to pass out of that package, he's got an excellent work ethic, has put on more and more muscle every year, has increased by leaps and bounds as a passer, and hes just got this 5th gear when he gets in the open field. I posted links the highlights of the Richmond game here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9RZt-Y2F9Q and these are highlights of the Michigan gamehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iA_zeMCnlWY ( remember he was a true sophmore during these highlights and is now a senior)


and supposedly jones is being looked at by tampa bay, and the titans showed interest in him earlier in the season.

[Hurricanes25]

Armanti Edwards= Antwaan Randle El

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Everyone knows Armanti Edwards dude, and why are we comparing him to Tim Hightower, different positions. Anyways we can't rate him as a prospect at all until we see how he does in WR drills at whatever Bowl game he ends up at. He definitely has sick running skills and overrated toughness and strength, but we don't know if he can run a route, if he can catch, if he can go down the middle. He does need to add weight to his frame. I hope Pat White forcing himself as a QB doesn't motivate Armanti to do the same because his only shot at the NFL is to switch to WR. But he could definitely be like Brad Banks. I doubt he has the hands and bulk to become a Randle El type.

Armanti Edwards= Antwaan Randle El

See I don't really get this comparison. Randle El is way slower than Edwards but El is one of the best route runners and has some of the best hands in the NFL. We don't know if Edwards can run crisp routes, if he has great hands, and if he can go down the middle.

[ectuberider]

I talked to one of my friends who lives there year round and said that Armanti was already working out with the backup Qbs this summer on his own time as a receiver and has been doing drills and running routes, granted he did have a setback when he ran his foot over with a lawn mower but hes fully recovered now and has stated hes willing to do whatever it takes to play in the NFL, His dad is in jail for murder so its up to him to take care of his family which is a pretty big motivator, he also plays and works out with a huge chip on his shoulder after being snubbed by all the d1 schools, steve spurrier told him "No ones gonna offer you a scholarship to play quarterback". and my bad dude know one was talking about him so i decided too.


and do you think randle el was one of the nfls best route runners coming out of college?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

But the comparison was based off what Randle El has become. Sure you can say Armanti could be the next Randle El but at the same time you can see that he could be the next Marques Hagans.

[Ozzy]

SeanTaylorRIP Why is Julio Jones elite? I mean he has some sick physical tools but if you don't think Thomas has shown enough I don't see enough from Jones. Yeah ok QB play, run heavy offense, whatever, but I have never been overly impressed with Jones route running or body control/ball skills.Are you seriously asking this question? Why is Julio Jones elite? Who other than Floyd or maybe Green is better than him as a sophomore receiver prospect?

Why is he elite? Well he is a physical freak, he attacks tacklers and is one of the more physical receivers in the country. Not afraid of contact at all, sure he has some things to work on but from a physical standpoint and a potential standout he is by far an elite receiver. Sure might be having a little sophomore slump, but the kid has star potential when not many receivers in the country have that same elite potential.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Are you seriously asking this question? Why is Julio Jones elite? Who other than Floyd or maybe Green is better than him as a sophomore receiver prospect?

Why is he elite? Well he is a physical freak, he attacks tacklers and is one of the more physical receivers in the country. Not afraid of contact at all, sure he has some things to work on but from a physical standpoint and a potential standout he is by far an elite receiver. Sure might be having a little sophomore slump, but the kid has star potential when not many receivers in the country have that same elite potential.

Well you think he's elite and not Demaryius who is just as physically gifted and attacks the ball in the air better. I agree he has top 5 potential but you said that Demaryius isn't on his level because he needs to work on things, but Julio IMO has proven less than Demariyius.

[SenorGato]

Keep D. Thomas quiet...him and Oghobaase have to fall to the Jets to force a feeling of fear and dread throughout the league.

He'll fly up with Bryant possibly not going in, but perhaps not.

[fischbowl]

Since he may be a little undersized as a pro TE, what do you all think of Wisconsin red shirt junior Lance Kendricks as a receiver?

[JFLO]

Since he may be a little undersized as a pro TE, what do you all think of Wisconsin red shirt junior Lance Kendricks as a receiver?

I like Kendricks as a TE if he is truly 6'4" 235 like he is listed, but we all know how that usually ends up.

He is having a monster year for the Badgers and he might be smart to leave this year if it continues.

I know it seems like a rarity for this to happen two years in a row, but he should probably look at Jermaine Gresham and Rob Gronkowski's case if he wants to make some money.

Tolzien is only a junior so you know he'll be back, but if I'm Lance Kendricks, I'm not sure if I want to risk it. He'll get drafted this year if he were to declare.

[D-Unit]

Keep D. Thomas quiet...him and Oghobaase have to fall to the Jets to force a feeling of fear and dread throughout the league.

He'll fly up with Bryant possibly not going in, but perhaps not.
I've said it once, I'll say it a thousand times... Thomas is gonna fall down draft boards after he runs his 40 time.

[murdamal86]

Why is Julio Jones elite? I mean he has some sick physical tools but if you don't think Thomas has shown enough I don't see enough from Jones. Yeah ok QB play, run heavy offense, whatever, but I have never been overly impressed with Jones route running or body control/ball skills.

Julio Jones reminds me of Reggie Williams. Take it for what it's worth

[bxgoods]

Julio Jones reminds me of Reggie Williams. Take it for what it's worth

Julio Jones reminds me of Mike Williams.... The USC one, not Detroit one.

[CC.SD]

Julio Jones reminds me of Mike Williams.... The USC one, not Detroit one.

Ugh, not at all.

[jayhawkfan96]

I realize I'm probably one one of the very few who feels this way. But I'm still waiting to be impressed by Dez Bryant. Yes, he is extremely talented. I'm still waiting for him to go over the middle, though. Getting all those jump balls when you're 5-6 inches taller than the CB's covering you looks impressive on video. But I don't see it transitioning to the next level. I haven't seen the work ethic, or consistent willingness to block in the running game. To be honest I don't see an elite number 1 receiver in this draft. Bryant and Benn have the talent. But I don't think either has the drive.

I see a number of good slot receivers, however. Jordan Shipley with his play making ability, both receiving and in the return game, should go in the first couple of rounds. And then Desmond Briscoe. I expect him to have a long NFL career. He doesn't possess elite speed. But he still gets a ton of yards after contact because very few DB's can tackle him one on one. He is just too big and strong. And that part of his game will only improve with NFL weight and conditioning programs.

[ToldLikeItIs]

Julio Jones reminds me of a half as talented Brandon Marshall, with probably a worse work ethic.

Kerry Meier deserves atleast a Dallas Clark/Owen Daniels comparison. He'd be some type of TE.