Draft Discussion - Quarterbacks

[Don Vito]

Snead needs to come back for his senior year, if he does his name could be thrown out there as the top QB prospect again. This year has been a big transition phase for Snead, he lost his All-American LT and two other very solid starters on the line. He had a lot of time last year, and when he had that kind of protection he was impressive as any QB in the country. He has had no time for the most part this year, and we just made some shifts (Jerry to RG and Massie to RT). If the OL gels a little and improves next year, he could really benefit from that.

The loss of Mike Wallace his hurt tremendously. He was the best deep threat in the conference, possibly the country last year. Wallace became dominant the second half of last season, and that is when Snead went on a tear which lead to the team going on a 6 game win streak. We haven't found a guy who can stretch the field like that, Shay Hodge is great but he is not near Wallace's level as a deep threat. Lionel Breaux was supposed to step into Wallace's role but he hasn't done anything. McCluster has been getting a lot of carries as a RB, and when he plays WR he doesn't go deep. Pat Patterson is a talented freshman, but he is raw and not really ready yet.

I think Snead would really have a chance to get himself back on the map if he comes back for his senior year and takes football a little more seriously (emphasis on that).

[BigBanger]

Levi is a very competent QB that has the skills to make it at the next level. He can make all the throws and he takes care of the football. In limited action last year, he threw for over 2,100 yds, 15 tds against 3 ints. So far this season, he's thrown for 2,500+ yds, 14 tds against 4 ints. I believe he's 4th in the nation in passing yds. Since AR has had a ppv game, the TROY game should be televised on 11/14...Levi vs Mallett...
Yeah, um, this guy sucks. He sucks more than Ryan Mallett.

[trojanbrutha]

Yeah, um, this guy sucks. He sucks more than Ryan Mallett.


You're entitled to your opinion, but he played well. Our receivers dropped some catchable balls last night. Mallett has some very good play action fakes.

[BigBanger]

You're entitled to your opinion, but he played well. Our receivers dropped some catchable balls last night.
I'm well aware of what I'm "entitled" to.

The Arkansas DBs even dropped some of his very catchable balls too. I thought it all evened out to an atrocious performance myself.

Bubble screen left, bubble screen right, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, hitch route, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, fly pattern, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, hitch route, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, fly pattern, bubble screen left, bubble screen right...

A complex offense they run down there.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

That's the exact same offense FSU runs, and I've seen many people praise Ponder and calling the FSU offense a pro-style offense.

[Halsey]

Another good game for Mallett. He's near the top of the country in passer rating now. Pretty good for a first year starter.

[trojanbrutha]

I'm well aware of what I'm "entitled" to.

The Arkansas DBs even dropped some of his very catchable balls too. I thought it all evened out to an atrocious performance myself.

Bubble screen left, bubble screen right, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, hitch route, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, fly pattern, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, hitch route, bubble screen left, bubble screen right, fly pattern, bubble screen left, bubble screen right...

A complex offense they run down there.

Might not be too complex by your standards, but it's predicated on taking what the defense gives you...you don't like him, fine, no skin off my nose. For what TROY does, he's a good QB.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Coming out of my retirement to ask this question...

What teams can we say are possibilities to take a quarterback in the 1st Round this year?

The ones I was thinking about...

Carolina, St. Louis, Cleveland, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Washington?

Maybe Jacksonville?

Is it a stretch to think that Al Davis would look at the quarterback spot again?

[SuperKevin]

Coming out of my retirement to ask this question...

What teams can we say are possibilities to take a quarterback in the 1st Round this year?

The ones I was thinking about...

Carolina, St. Louis, Cleveland, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Washington?

Maybe Jacksonville?

Is it a stretch to think that Al Davis would look at the quarterback spot again?

carolina doesn't have a 1st rounder

[Babylon]

Coming out of my retirement to ask this question...

What teams can we say are possibilities to take a quarterback in the 1st Round this year?

The ones I was thinking about...

Carolina, St. Louis, Cleveland, Buffalo, Minnesota, and Washington?

Maybe Jacksonville?

Is it a stretch to think that Al Davis would look at the quarterback spot again?

With 2 picks Seattle is a likely choice.

[DiG]

i still wouldnt rule out the broncos or the niners.

[619]

i still wouldnt rule out the broncos or the niners.

For Crabtree's sake I really hope so. I'm not convinced they'll be in a position to draft one of the top QBs, despite owning two first round picks. Locker will probably still carry high demand to where he is pushed into the top 10 much like Sanchez last season, and that should take the Niners out of the running unless they decide it's worth pursuing in a possible draft day deal.

[Hurricanes25]

Does anybody else like Thaddeus Lewis from Duke? He is very accurate, has a pretty good arm, and makes great decisions. He doesn't force the ball and he actually throws the ball away if there is nothing there. He has had a great career at Duke and has put up good numbers at one of the laughing stocks in college football over the last couple years.

I like him as a guy to develop and I would take a late round flier on him.

[descendency]

Yeah, um, this guy sucks. He sucks more than Ryan Mallett.

Mallett has a big arm playing in his first season for a real offense. (no gimmick garbage like Rich Rodriguez runs) He was the #2 QB coming out of high school the same year Jimmy Clausen did. I wouldn't write him off yet.

[ThePudge]

Mallett has a big arm playing in his first season for a real offense. (no gimmick garbage like Rich Rodriguez runs) He was the #2 QB coming out of high school the same year Jimmy Clausen did. I wouldn't write him off yet.

People would be very un-wise to write off Mallett. He could be a Top 15 pick if he comes out this year. The way he's looked lately I think the guy is a first round lock and will be considered the frontrunner for the #1 Overall Pick in 2011 if he stays.

[WCH]

Mallett has a big arm playing in his first season for a real offense. (no gimmick garbage like Rich Rodriguez runs) He was the #2 QB coming out of high school the same year Jimmy Clausen did. I wouldn't write him off yet.

Mallett played under Lloyd Carr in a pro-style offense when he was at Michigan, and then transferred when Carr retired. Mallett never played under Rodriguez.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Does Mike Kafka have a future in the NFL?

[ThePudge]

Does Mike Kafka have a future in the NFL?

I don't think the Northwestern coaching staff really prepares quarterbacks for the next level with their offensive schemes, so I wouldn't expect Kafka to be drafted very high. At 6'3 220 with a good deal of athleticism, more than adequate arm strength, and a building track record, Kafka's going to have a shot though. How he plays in his senior All-Star Game is going to be huge in his evaluation. Right now, he's a late round prospect, 6th or 7th if not undrafted, but he has some upside going into the postseason, so it will be interesting.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

I don't think the Northwestern coaching staff really prepares quarterbacks for the next level with their offensive schemes, so I wouldn't expect Kafka to be drafted very high. At 6'3 220 with a good deal of athleticism, more than adequate arm strength, and a building track record, Kafka's going to have a shot though. How he plays in his senior All-Star Game is going to be huge in his evaluation. Right now, he's a late round prospect, 6th or 7th if not undrafted, but he has some upside going into the postseason, so it will be interesting.

Better than Brett Basanez going into the NFL?

[Sniper]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/david-kaplan-report-clausen-in-fight-outside-south-bend-bar.html

Jimmy Clausen gets two black eyes in a bar fight.

[WCH]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/david-kaplan-report-clausen-in-fight-outside-south-bend-bar.html

Jimmy Clausen gets two black eyes in a bar fight.

Interesting that somebody 6'3" and 225 pounds walks away from a fight with two black eyes. I'd love to hear the story behind that.

[Sniper]

Interesting that somebody 6'3" and 225 pounds walks away from a fight with two black eyes. I'd love to hear the story behind that.

Eh, Jimmy doesn't come off as much of a fighter.

[Halsey]

Now that Bulger is injured again, any debate about whether the Rams should go after a franchise QB this offseason should be shelved. Rams fans should be hoping that all the quality underclassman declare, so their front office has options.

[Babylon]

Now that Bulger is injured again, any debate about whether the Rams should go after a franchise QB this offseason should be shelved. Rams fans should be hoping that all the quality underclassman declare, so their front office has options.

Never was a debate to me. Clausen will be ideal for their WCO there.

[Halsey]

Never was a debate to me. Clausen will be ideal for their WCO there.

Scott seems to think Bradford would be a good fit there, so maybe those will be the two guys they look the hardest at.

[Babylon]

Scott seems to think Bradford would be a good fit there, so maybe those will be the two guys they look the hardest at.

I think after all Bradford has been through he's dropped in scouts eyes, he has in mine. I'd easily go with Clausen or Locker there.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, Clausen was made for the WCO

[CC.SD]

rofl WHAT did somebody really fight Clausen?

[Don Vito]

Someone apparently punched him outside a bar, that must have been great. Supposedly a "sucker punch" but for some reason I have a feeling Clausen must have done something to deserve it.

[iowatreat54]

Someone apparently punched him outside a bar, that must have been great. Supposedly a "sucker punch" but for some reason I have a feeling Clausen must have done something to deserve it.

Yea, he was Jimmy Clausen.

[Prowler]

maybe it was a drunk doctor trying to straighten his misshapen head?

[Sniper]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/25/realtor-tips-clausens-nfl-hand/

Jimmy Clausen's going pro...not official, but...

[P-L]

So Jimmy Clausen was planning on going pro back in July, when his family put their house up for sale? For some reason I doubt that. With that said, I do think he is going to come out early, especially now that Charlie is all but done there.

[Day One Pick]

If I were a GM I would need to see another successful season from Clausen before I could spend a high pick on him. He was just too aweful to forget about his first two seasons at Notre Dame. His slow developement in college suggests a similar path in the NFL. With a much bigger learning curve in the NFL, I'm not sure he would be ready by year 3. Once upon a time that was OK, but in todays NFL progression needs to be quicker than that. Look at Brady Quinn, the Browns are about done with him already. Same with Russell and the Raiders.

[Babylon]

So Jimmy Clausen was planning on going pro back in July, when his family put their house up for sale? For some reason I doubt that. With that said, I do think he is going to come out early, especially now that Charlie is all but done there.

He's not coming back. I'm not sure if he was/is in love with Charlie Weis but he's going to be a high pick, he's 23 and he's had 3 years in the system there. There is no way he comes back and i'll speak for Jake Locker too, he isnt coming back.

[Iamcanadian]

If I were a GM I would need to see another successful season from Clausen before I could spend a high pick on him. He was just too aweful to forget about his first two seasons at Notre Dame. His slow developement in college suggests a similar path in the NFL. With a much bigger learning curve in the NFL, I'm not sure he would be ready by year 3. Once upon a time that was OK, but in todays NFL progression needs to be quicker than that. Look at Brady Quinn, the Browns are about done with him already. Same with Russell and the Raiders.

I completely disagree, it is your last year in college that really determines your ranking prior to the post season. Very little negativity is attacked for prior years by scouts. If the scouts now feel he has the arm, intangibles, pocket presence, accuracy and mental toughness, he will go #1 overall without any doubt. Only if he lacks these elements will he drop.
Brady Quinn was a late 1st rounder indicating that the scouts and GM's already had huge doubts about him. Russell is an extremely weird case, he was drafted by the most dysfunctional franchise in pro football, put under a rotten HC and asked to produce without much training or organization behind him. I guarantee you, teams are lining up to see what Russell can do in a functional organization under the strong leadership of a top HC. He could still come around in a far better organization.

[BigBanger]

I completely disagree, it is your last year in college that really determines your ranking prior to the post season. Very little negativity is attacked for prior years by scouts. If the scouts now feel he has the arm, intangibles, pocket presence, accuracy and mental toughness, he will go #1 overall without any doubt. Only if he lacks these elements will he drop.
Brady Quinn was a late 1st rounder indicating that the scouts and GM's already had huge doubts about him. Russell is an extremely weird case, he was drafted by the most dysfunctional franchise in pro football, put under a rotten HC and asked to produce without much training or organization behind him. I guarantee you, teams are lining up to see what Russell can do in a functional organization under the strong leadership of a top HC. He could still come around in a far better organization.
Russell is also a fat slob that is inherently lazy and nearly half ********. To be a good NFL player (or a player worthy of being a #1 pick and franchise player) he's usually going to have some kind of drive, determination, football smarts and leadership qualities. Russell has the cannon arm, which is enough for some people... like the Oakland Raiders. Charles Rogers had some talent, but he liked drugs and making babies with a bunch of different women. Basically he's a giant POS. Mike Williams was a beast, but had one dominating year in college, and he too, was an overweight, lazy bum that didn't translate to the NFL at all because he just didn't have the drive or effort.

Quinn just wasn't that good. His potential is nothing more than an average starting QB. That's it. Accuracy and arm strength are going to always hold him back, not to mention he's atrocious under pressure. Pretty average player. Clausen is a better version of Quinn. He might be worth the 22nd pick in a draft.

[Iamcanadian]

Russell is also a fat slob that is inherently lazy and nearly half ********. To be a good NFL player (or a player worthy of being a #1 pick and franchise player) he's usually going to have some kind of drive, determination, football smarts and leadership qualities. Russell has the cannon arm, which is enough for some people... like the Oakland Raiders. Charles Rogers had some talent, but he liked drugs and making babies with a bunch of different women. Basically he's a giant POS. Mike Williams was a beast, but had one dominating year in college, and he too, was an overweight, lazy bum that didn't translate to the NFL at all because he just didn't have the drive or effort.

When you draft an immature kid #1 overall and put him in a hopeless situation like Oakland, a totally dysfunction organization with a HC who is out out his league, how do you expect the kid to be motivated or develop, how can anyone expect the kid to mature in these conditions. Al Davis is just getting the fruits of his incompetence as an owner in putting his organization under the bus. I don't think a NFL rookie QB can develop in those circumstances. However, there are a lot of solid organizations that would like to try to develop Russell under different circumstances. There is no guarantees that a change of scenery will work but a lot of GM's and HC's would love the opportunity to see if they could motivate and train the kid properly.

Quinn just wasn't that good. His potential is nothing more than an average starting QB. That's it. Accuracy and arm strength are going to always hold him back, not to mention he's atrocious under pressure. Pretty average player. Clausen is a better version of Quinn. He might be worth the 22nd pick in a draft.

Well, it isn't clear yet how high the scouts rank any QB in this draft, we won't know that till the post season starts and we learn from people associated with the NFL how the GM's and scouts rate all of them.
I don't accept your ranking of Clausen and I suspect he has a shot to be ranked in the top 5 of the coming draft in April. However until it is confirmed by his combine or pro day workout, I'm not in a position to say ya or nay and neither are you.

[ThePudge]

Quinn just wasn't that good. His potential is nothing more than an average starting QB. That's it. Accuracy and arm strength are going to always hold him back, not to mention he's atrocious under pressure. Pretty average player. Clausen is a better version of Quinn. He might be worth the 22nd pick in a draft.

Wrong. Quinn was that good. Coming out of college, he was a terrific prospect with few negatives. Arm strength wasn't and still isn't a question with Quinn. His deep accuracy isn't very good, but he was fully capable of making every NFL throw coming out. He still is. Quinn uncorked a couple deep balls last week, and looked good doing it. When his feet are set, and his eyes are downfield, he has very good arm strength and can thread the needle on the far hash or down the middle in traffic. He was a great kid too, personable, and smart in a Mark Sanchez-like way. He had more physical tools than Sanchez though, with a stronger arm, better build, and was more athletic.

His confidence and pocket presence were, and continue to be, his biggest flaws. Quinn takes himself out of games and really lets pressure get to him. In Cleveland, this season, this has killed him and lead many (including myself) to doubt his future in the NFL. His receivers certainly are a big part as to why Quinn can't succeed. In college, he had more confidence in his teammates, especially his big WRs Maurice Stovall and Jeff Samardzija. A lot of times he'd get rid of the ball down the field, knowing his WRs had a chance to make a play. In Cleveland, he's just not comfortable or confident in himself or his "weapons."

Hate Quinn the NFL player, but don't hate him as a prospect, as he really did have most of the tools you'd like to see out of a franchise QB prospect. Maybe his time in Cleveland ruined him as a player, maybe it didn't, only time will tell.

He fell to #22 because no team after Ninth overall needed a QB and Miami had their man in John Beck all picked out. The draft gets very interesting in times like those, and teams can wait, knowing these things, until the price of a trade up isn't drastic. Aaron Rodgers is another example of a QB that fell. Unlike other positions, it's not due to value, it's all about need.

[FuzzyGopher]

I can't blame Quinn for his struggles in Cleveland. They traded away their best receiver and security blanket tight end. They have a bad defense, no real running game, and half of a good offensive line. The Browns are doing it all wrong, you are supposed to build around your young quarterback, not tear down what was already there and leave him with nothing. He was a great prospect coming out regardless of what people think. It's easy to see what he is now and use that to pick him apart as a prospect 3 years ago. He had very few weaknesses coming out and he just landed in a crappy situation. If he landed in a solid organization, I believe people wouldn't be talking about him negatively and we would see more of what we saw in him against the Lions.

[Babylon]

I can't blame Quinn for his struggles in Cleveland. They traded away their best receiver and security blanket tight end. They have a bad defense, no real running game, and half of a good offensive line. The Browns are doing it all wrong, you are supposed to build around your young quarterback, not tear down what was already there and leave him with nothing. He was a great prospect coming out regardless of what people think. It's easy to see what he is now and use that to pick him apart as a prospect 3 years ago. He had very few weaknesses coming out and he just landed in a crappy situation. If he landed in a solid organization, I believe people wouldn't be talking about him negatively and we would see more of what we saw in him against the Lions.

I'm concerned at how he reacts to things under pressure. He doesnt look like he handles it very well. Maybe he's shellshocked but that's what they're paying him the big bucks (minus the bonus) for. Similar to me to a Matt Schaub the other night who when pressured saw his accuracy go in the toilet, not a good trait.

[Day One Pick]

I completely disagree, it is your last year in college that really determines your ranking prior to the post season. Very little negativity is attacked for prior years by scouts. If the scouts now feel he has the arm, intangibles, pocket presence, accuracy and mental toughness, he will go #1 overall without any doubt. Only if he lacks these elements will he drop.
Brady Quinn was a late 1st rounder indicating that the scouts and GM's already had huge doubts about him. Russell is an extremely weird case, he was drafted by the most dysfunctional franchise in pro football, put under a rotten HC and asked to produce without much training or organization behind him. I guarantee you, teams are lining up to see what Russell can do in a functional organization under the strong leadership of a top HC. He could still come around in a far better organization.

I think you missed my point. Here's what I was trying to say. From high school to college there is a big change and a player needs to develope and get acclimated. Then there is a big difference from college to the NFL, a much bigger difference than there is from high school to the NFL. It took Clausen until his third year to adjust to college football. To me that indicated he will take atleast that long or longer to develope in the NFL. When I mentioned Quinn and Russell I was mentioning them as examples of how 3 years down the road is too long for teams now a days. With the guaranteed dollars rookies now get and with free agency, teams can't wait for production like they used to be able to. Quarterbacks used to get put on the shelf for 2-4 years before they had to be ready.

In short, I expect Clausen to develope slowly in the NFL. I would also be worried about how he would handle himself as a multi-millionair. I know he comes from money, but it's different when it's your money. Clausen's attitude suggests to me there might be some problems with him.

[etk]

Quinn just wasn't that good. His potential is nothing more than an average starting QB. That's it. Accuracy and arm strength are going to always hold him back, not to mention he's atrocious under pressure. Pretty average player. Clausen is a better version of Quinn. He might be worth the 22nd pick in a draft.

Do I need to link a clip of the bomb he threw to Massaquoi?

[djp]

Excited to keep watching Jerrod Johnson play. He's come a LONG way since I saw him the first time versus Miami.

[BigBanger]

Well, it isn't clear yet how high the scouts rank any QB in this draft, we won't know that till the post season starts and we learn from people associated with the NFL how the GM's and scouts rate all of them.
I don't accept your ranking of Clausen and I suspect he has a shot to be ranked in the top 5 of the coming draft in April. However until it is confirmed by his combine or pro day workout, I'm not in a position to say ya or nay and neither are you.
You're an informative SOB, but I'll just hold an opinion. I don't know what kind of **** goes on up there in Canada, but in this country, we can voice our opinions. If you don't like it, you can just keep your dumb ******* mouth shut, unless you have something to say.

I also suspect he's a homosexual. Accept? Or do we have to wait for the Combine and Pro Day workouts?

Wrong. Quinn was that good. Coming out of college, he was a terrific prospect with few negatives. Arm strength wasn't and still isn't a question with Quinn. His deep accuracy isn't very good, but he was fully capable of making every NFL throw coming out. He still is. Quinn uncorked a couple deep balls last week, and looked good doing it. When his feet are set, and his eyes are downfield, he has very good arm strength and can thread the needle on the far hash or down the middle in traffic. He was a great kid too, personable, and smart in a Mark Sanchez-like way. He had more physical tools than Sanchez though, with a stronger arm, better build, and was more athletic.

His confidence and pocket presence were, and continue to be, his biggest flaws. Quinn takes himself out of games and really lets pressure get to him. In Cleveland, this season, this has killed him and lead many (including myself) to doubt his future in the NFL. His receivers certainly are a big part as to why Quinn can't succeed. In college, he had more confidence in his teammates, especially his big WRs Maurice Stovall and Jeff Samardzija. A lot of times he'd get rid of the ball down the field, knowing his WRs had a chance to make a play. In Cleveland, he's just not comfortable or confident in himself or his "weapons."

Hate Quinn the NFL player, but don't hate him as a prospect, as he really did have most of the tools you'd like to see out of a franchise QB prospect. Maybe his time in Cleveland ruined him as a player, maybe it didn't, only time will tell.

He fell to #22 because no team after Ninth overall needed a QB and Miami had their man in John Beck all picked out. The draft gets very interesting in times like those, and teams can wait, knowing these things, until the price of a trade up isn't drastic. Aaron Rodgers is another example of a QB that fell. Unlike other positions, it's not due to value, it's all about need.
No, he was a heavily flawed QB. People just refused to see it, matter of fact, they still do. Who did the guy ever beat? Who is no one, Trebek? He looked good against Navy and Army and played like **** against teams like LSU. How terrible was he under pressure? You mentioned it, so you show that you are at least aware of the mistakes he's capable of making (which isn't something that just started happening once he entered the NFL). His mechanics were pure **** and he was afraid of contact and he struggled to keep his eyes downfield, instead he stared at the rush and linemen. Dude couldn't throw on the run at all. Threw up ducks and showed off a limited arm, which you can no longer question since he's in the NFL and not making throws remotely impressive (unless you think check downs are impressive). Troy Smith had a stronger arm than him. Most people called Smith's arm average, but Quinn could "make all the throws." No, he couldn't and neither could Smith. People were wrong there too.

He doesn't have nearly the physical tools of Sanchez. Sanchez doesn't have elite tools, but his mechanics and ability to escape a rush, move in the pocket, go through progressions and flip his hips are so far and away superior to Quinn it isn't even funny. Sanchez was more of a gunslinger than Quinn ever was, minus the gun, but he didn't really give a ****. Quinn likes to show off his accuracy by hitting players short of ten yards. He's not different than a Kyle Orton (just not as successful at this point in his career). You put him in a great situation with a great team (rushing attack, good TE, and elite #1 WR), then he could be a success.

So a completely average QB that plays terrible against above average competition is... elite? Yeah, okay. He was a QB at Notre Dame. That's all he ever accomplished.

Yeah, I've hated the college player and I could care less about the NFL player. He's a backup in the NFL or mediocre starter at best (still giving him credit for the kind of potential that he could reach). I wont continue to hate since there's nothing to hate. No one cares about him anymore. He's terrible. He's been worse than I thought he'd be.

Jimmy Clausen has a couple of freaks that bail him out time and time again, but at least he shows off a stronger arm, even though he too hasn't beat a team in his career worthy of mentioning.


Do I need to link a clip of the bomb he threw to Massaquoi?
Massaquoi is in the NFL now. Quinn probably didn't throw the pass. And if it was Quinn, it was a duck, not a bomb. Was it 40 yards in the air to a wide open receiver? Most backup QBs in the NFL (like Brady Quinn) can make that kind of throw. Call me unimpressed by these trivial youtube videos.

Just because everyone was wrong about this Dbag, doesn't mean one highlight video of one throw against the Lions all of sudden makes him a success.

[Bald_81]

Hey BigBanger, would like to know where you stand on Clausen and Locker as prospects right now. Both first round picks in your eyes? I know Clausen is the favourite of everyone here, but I'm a Locker guy. Just watching him play on a horrible team with a bad o-line reminds me of how it is with the Rams (although our offensive line has actually improved considerably). I guess I admire the stats he has been able to put up with such a lackluster supporting cast. Just would like to get quick scouting reports and analysis from you on them both. It's a shame we can't get a lower pick, then at least Bradford would be more feasible. But hey, we'll see what happens.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

In college, he had more confidence in his teammates, especially his big WRs Maurice Stovall and Jeff Samardzija. A lot of times he'd get rid of the ball down the field, knowing his WRs had a chance to make a play. In Cleveland, he's just not comfortable or confident in himself or his "weapons."

I do think that we saw some hints of Quinn's confidence issues in college. He definitely flung the ball with gusto at times, but he was prone to happy feet and having his mechanic break down badly even in college. Were his issues to the scale they have been at in Cleveland? No, but there was some hint of it and his stock did fall towards the end of the process as a result.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Where is Case Keenum's stock as of now? I would think he has a higher ceiling than Kevin Kolb when he came out, but due to the possibility of all the underclassmen declaring due to the possible rookie wage scale where does it look like Keenum will fall to?

[Day One Pick]

Where is Case Keenum's stock as of now? I would think he has a higher ceiling than Kevin Kolb when he came out, but due to the possibility of all the underclassmen declaring due to the possible rookie wage scale where does it look like Keenum will fall to?

It's hard to say, but I still think the Eagles took Kolb about 2 rounds too soon. I can't think of a single Houston QB that was successful in the NFL. The jury is still out on Kolb.

I'll tenatively say 3rd-4th round.

[ThePudge]

You're an informative SOB, but I'll just hold an opinion. I don't know what kind of **** goes on up there in Canada, but in this country, we can voice our opinions. If you don't like it, you can just keep your dumb ******* mouth shut, unless you have something to say.

I also suspect he's a homosexual. Accept? Or do we have to wait for the Combine and Pro Day workouts?


No, he was a heavily flawed QB. People just refused to see it, matter of fact, they still do. Who did the guy ever beat? Who is no one, Trebek? He looked good against Navy and Army and played like **** against teams like LSU. How terrible was he under pressure? You mentioned it, so you show that you are at least aware of the mistakes he's capable of making (which isn't something that just started happening once he entered the NFL). His mechanics were pure **** and he was afraid of contact and he struggled to keep his eyes downfield, instead he stared at the rush and linemen. Dude couldn't throw on the run at all. Threw up ducks and showed off a limited arm, which you can no longer question since he's in the NFL and not making throws remotely impressive (unless you think check downs are impressive). Troy Smith had a stronger arm than him. Most people called Smith's arm average, but Quinn could "make all the throws." No, he couldn't and neither could Smith. People were wrong there too.

He doesn't have nearly the physical tools of Sanchez. Sanchez doesn't have elite tools, but his mechanics and ability to escape a rush, move in the pocket, go through progressions and flip his hips are so far and away superior to Quinn it isn't even funny. Sanchez was more of a gunslinger than Quinn ever was, minus the gun, but he didn't really give a ****. Quinn likes to show off his accuracy by hitting players short of ten yards. He's not different than a Kyle Orton (just not as successful at this point in his career). You put him in a great situation with a great team (rushing attack, good TE, and elite #1 WR), then he could be a success.

So a completely average QB that plays terrible against above average competition is... elite? Yeah, okay. He was a QB at Notre Dame. That's all he ever accomplished.

Yeah, I've hated the college player and I could care less about the NFL player. He's a backup in the NFL or mediocre starter at best (still giving him credit for the kind of potential that he could reach). I wont continue to hate since there's nothing to hate. No one cares about him anymore. He's terrible. He's been worse than I thought he'd be.

Jimmy Clausen has a couple of freaks that bail him out time and time again, but at least he shows off a stronger arm, even though he too hasn't beat a team in his career worthy of mentioning.



Massaquoi is in the NFL now. Quinn probably didn't throw the pass. And if it was Quinn, it was a duck, not a bomb. Was it 40 yards in the air to a wide open receiver? Most backup QBs in the NFL (like Brady Quinn) can make that kind of throw. Call me unimpressed by these trivial youtube videos.

Just because everyone was wrong about this Dbag, doesn't mean one highlight video of one throw against the Lions all of sudden makes him a success.

I guess I can not watch a player and pass judgements about him based on numbers and preconceived notions. The fact is, you're wrong. People didn't refuse to see the negatives when Quinn came out, he was easily a first round grade.

It's laughable that you think Sanchez was the more physically gifted of the two, as Sanchez didn't have the arm, nor the athleticism or build, of Brady Quinn. You're just flat out wrong there, and as with "physical tools," there are numbers there to support and prove it. Quinn's physical skill-set hasn't rendered him useless in the NFL, it's his confidence, footwork, and tendency to let the ball go too early in anticipation of a pass rush, making his throws inaccurate, sometimes intercepted. Due to that quality, and the poor right side of the line in Cleveland, his play-calling has gotten to be very predictable and dink-and-dunk. The lack of explosiveness and experience of his WRs definitely also limits what he can do.

Usually, with your draft work, you have very strong opinions on players, and that's fine; however, when you let personal bias get in the way of actual talent evaluation, you're not doing yourself or anyone else any favors. Quinn is a poor NFL QB (so far), but he was DEFINITELY not a poor NFL prospect, having been considered unanimously a first round pick by scouts and NFL coaches. But, of course, you know three years after the fact better than they do...

And Jimmy Clausen doesn't have a stronger arm than Quinn, but you haven't watched the actual football games, so I'll cut you some slack on that.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Where would Jerrod Johnson fit in if he were to declare for 2010? How does he stack up against eligible quarterbacks for 2011?

[Day One Pick]

Where would Jerrod Johnson fit in if he were to declare for 2010? How does he stack up against eligible quarterbacks for 2011?

Right now, if he declared for the 2010 draft I would say he would be a late 4th to early 5th rounder. Next year, the sky is the limit. He will probably entere the season as a solid mid 2nd to early 3rd rounder but with another good year could move up considerably.

[619]

Where would Jerrod Johnson fit in if he were to declare for 2010? How does he stack up against eligible quarterbacks for 2011?

With his physical tools and production this year I can't envision him slipping past the third round. In 2011 he has every bit of potential to crack the first round, maybe even as a top 20 pick.

[etk]

With his physical tools and production this year I can't envision him slipping past the third round. In 2011 he has every bit of potential to crack the first round, maybe even as a top 20 pick.

Josh Freeman was a top 20 pick. No way Johnson falls past the 2nd.

[P-L]

Jevan Snead. Discuss.

[phlysac]

Jevan Snead. Discuss.

If he falls to the later rounds as many have suggested, I think he's a worthy gamble regardless of the team. As his preseason hype suggests, his physical tools are legit and is a worthwhile investment for any team at that low price.

[RaiderNation]

Jevan Snead. Discuss.

Should return for senior year. Could see him being taken in the 2nd-4th. GM's fall in love with QB's, and take them earlier than expected.

[ThePudge]

Tim Tebow's making some tremendous throws. He's also been forced to scan the field and work through progressions more than usual. He's making NFL throws, and has been extremely accurate throwing agianst Patrick Robinson, one of the nation's premier cover corners. He's still a bit slow making up his mind, and his release needs some major re-tooling, but man, he's been good. He definitely has the raw ability to be a good pro. This is the best I've seen him read a defense and use his arm. He's making throws I certainly didn't think he had in him.

[HawkeyeFan]

Is Ryan Mallett eligible for the draft this year?

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Yes, he's a RS sophomore.

[DJC]

Is Ryan Mallett eligible for the draft this year?

Yes, he is a RS Soph

[HawkeyeFan]

Thanks babes!

[Babylon]

Tim Tebow's making some tremendous throws. He's also been forced to scan the field and work through progressions more than usual. He's making NFL throws, and has been extremely accurate throwing agianst Patrick Robinson, one of the nation's premier cover corners. He's still a bit slow making up his mind, and his release needs some major re-tooling, but man, he's been good. He definitely has the raw ability to be a good pro. This is the best I've seen him read a defense and use his arm. He's making throws I certainly didn't think he had in him.

To me he gives up on the pass too quickly and settles for the run.That can be corrected and i do think he made some decent throws. He had Cooper a couple of times and either didnt lead him enough or throw to him at all but overrall good night for brother christian. We know someone will take him in the first round we just dont know who.

[ThePudge]

To me he gives up on the pass too quickly and settles for the run.That can be corrected and i do think he made some decent throws. He had Cooper a couple of times and either didnt lead him enough or throw to him at all but overrall good night for brother christian. We know someone will take him in the first round we just dont know who.

Oh, mechanically he's as raw as a legitimate prospect can be. Physically and mentally, though, Tebow has what it takes. First time I've watched Tebow, like a scout, and been impressed. Made some impressive throws today, and kept a few plays alive with feet and patience, finishing them with a throw to an open receiver. He kept his eyes downfield though and looks like the anti-Brady Quinn.

[ThePudge]

Very early on, but Jimmy Clausen has been tremendously accurate today and has great zip on his short to intermediate passes.... and by the way Michael Floyd is a monster.

[P-L]

Mallettzzzzzzz!!!

7/20 (35%), 92 yards, 4.6 yards per attempt, 0 TD, 1 INT

1st Round pick.

[ThePudge]

18-33 265 yds 3 Int, 43.1 rating, 49-10 loss vs. Florida as a third year starter.

1st Overall Pick.

Usually 1st Round QBs are perfect all year... weird.

[P-L]

18-33 265 yds 3 Int, 43.1 rating, 49-10 loss vs. Florida as a third year starter.

1st Overall Pick.

Usually 1st Round QBs are perfect all year... weird.
Do you want me to bring up all of Mallett's other poor games or do you expect me to sit here and pretend that this is the first time he's played poorly all season?

[SuperKevin]

18-33 265 yds 3 Int, 43.1 rating, 49-10 loss vs. Florida as a third year starter.

1st Overall Pick.

Usually 1st Round QBs are perfect all year... weird.

And he's sure played like it. :(

[ThePudge]

Do you want me to bring up all of Mallett's other poor games or do you expect me to sit here and pretend that this is the first time he's played poorly all season?

The fact is, people here harp on Mallett's bad games and his completion percentage. Funny thing is, I don't know if there are 5 people here that have seen him play. I'm tired of seeing statistics aligned against Mallett's case. Fact is, he's been better as a second year starter than Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, or JaMarcus Russell. We worry about his completion percentage without worrying how it got to be there. We don't talk about the drops, we don't talk about the lack of experience of the receivers, we don't talk about the fact that it's their first year playing together, and I know we heard about Russell/Stafford's SEC competition, but I haven't heard about that here.

You gave me numbers to work with, so I'll give you some. 3335 yards 28 Td 7 Int in leading Arkansas to 7 wins thus far this season. A bad player doesn't put those numbers up, and you can't stack the numbers against him for me. I've been lucky enough to watch his last two games in their entirety, have done my share of film study on him, and have four games (including tonight's) recorded. Mallettzzzz.

Some draftniks are afraid to admit he's a big time prospect. For what reason, I have no idea.

[ThePudge]

Do you want me to bring up all of Mallett's other poor games or do you expect me to sit here and pretend that this is the first time he's played poorly all season?

vs. Alabama, nation's #1 defense, 12/35 160 yds 1 Td 1 Int. And Mississippi where he went 12/34 254 yds 1 Td 0 Int. Those were his worst, but still far from putrid games. His only game with more than 1 Int was the game he probably showed the most in terms of QB skills, against Mississippi State. So honestly, what've you got?


It is ridiculous the balls these Arkansas receivers drop. Wow. Man is Mallett inaccurate ;)

Care to continue the whole Ryan Mallett bad game thing? In the game I watched, he marched the Arkansas Razorbacks down the field battling four legitimate drops on that last possession. LSU is supposed to be the hardest place in the country to play at night.

I'm proud of the guy.

Anyone else care to weigh in on that final drive?

edit: A shame they were unable to pull it out, but after the stats you presented, Mallett was 10/19 136 yds 1 Td and absolutely victimized by drops. A shame. 36 yard FG....

[PACKmanN]

If he falls to the later rounds as many have suggested, I think he's a worthy gamble regardless of the team. As his preseason hype suggests, his physical tools are legit and is a worthwhile investment for any team at that low price.

wasn't that the samething we said about Brohm when the Packers drafted him. Names shouldn't matter if certain players fall.

[FloridaSkinzFan]

Jimmy Clausen watch: 3 TD's in first half against Stanford

[ThePudge]

Jimmy Clausen watch: 3 TD's in first half against Stanford

Let's get some updated stats... 17/23 266 yds 5 Td. He's looked very good.

[phlysac]

wasn't that the samething we said about Brohm when the Packers drafted him. Names shouldn't matter if certain players fall.

I didn't say anything about Snead having value as a second rounder a la Brohm.

If he falls to the later rounds as many have suggested, I think he's a worthy gamble regardless of the team.

[RaiderNation]

Clausen looked great tonight

[FloridaSkinzFan]

Let's get some updated stats... 17/23 266 yds 5 Td. He's looked very good.

Jimmy Clausen Final Stats:

23/30 340 yards 5 TD 0 INT

Notre Dame lost because their defense couldnt get a stop all night...

[lordquas]

Top QBs With Predicted Teams

Colt McCoy, Raiders
Tim Tebow, Chiefs
Tony Pike, Panthers
Jimmy Clausen, Bills
Sam Bradford, Rams
Dan LeFevour, Seahawks
Zac Robinson, Browns
Rusty Smith, Redskins
Bill Stull, Vikings
Max Hall, Titans
Tim Hiller, Bears
Darryl Clark, Dolphins

[Babylon]

Clausen looked great tonight

To me he's done enough to get selected by the Rams at the top of the draft. I love Locker but for the WCO they run there Clausen is the pick. Adjust your mocks accordingly.

[Hurricanes25]

Top QBs With Predicted Teams

Colt McCoy, Raiders
Tim Tebow, Chiefs
Tony Pike, Panthers
Jimmy Clausen, Bills
Sam Bradford, Rams
Dan LeFevour, Seahawks
Zac Robinson, Browns
Rusty Smith, Redskins
Bill Stull, Vikings
Max Hall, Titans
Tim Hiller, Bears
Darryl Clark, Dolphins

So, you took some draft eligible QB's and put each to a random team and they are called predictions.:rolleyes:

[FloridaSkinzFan]

So, you took some draft eligible QB's and put each to a random team and they are called predictions.:rolleyes:

thats what I was thinking LOL..

[Hurricanes25]

To me he's done enough to get selected by the Rams at the top of the draft. I love Locker but for the WCO they run there Clausen is the pick. Adjust your mocks accordingly.

Agreed. I now have Clausen at 1 and Locker at 1a. Clausen is a great fit for the Rams.

[RaiderNation]

Colt McCoy as a Raider? Raiders like to throw down field, McCoy.... well cant

[Giantsfan1080]

Clausen will definetly be a Top 3 pick and the first QB chosen in this draft.

[Babylon]

Supposedly the Skins are interested, not sure he'll be there.

[Giantsfan1080]

Supposedly the Skins are interested, not sure he'll be there.

If that's the case they'll have to move up for him.

[lordquas]

Colt McCoy as a Raider? Raiders like to throw down field, McCoy.... well cant

The raiders are a disgrace of a football team.
Colt McCoy's leadership, accuracy, and field awareness would be a major upgrade in Oakland. They tried a big arm QB with Russell, and he's on his way out of the league soon.

[the decider13]

vs. Alabama, nation's #1 defense, 12/35 160 yds 1 Td 1 Int. And Mississippi where he went 12/34 254 yds 1 Td 0 Int. Those were his worst, but still far from putrid games. His only game with more than 1 Int was the game he probably showed the most in terms of QB skills, against Mississippi State. So honestly, what've you got?


It is ridiculous the balls these Arkansas receivers drop. Wow. Man is Mallett inaccurate ;)

Care to continue the whole Ryan Mallett bad game thing? In the game I watched, he marched the Arkansas Razorbacks down the field battling four legitimate drops on that last possession. LSU is supposed to be the hardest place in the country to play at night.

I'm proud of the guy.

Anyone else care to weigh in on that final drive?

edit: A shame they were unable to pull it out, but after the stats you presented, Mallett was 10/19 136 yds 1 Td and absolutely victimized by drops. A shame. 36 yard FG....

Mallett played fantastic at the end of that game. This was the first time that I really sat down and watched and Arkansas game, it was crazy how many balls his WRs dropped. There were three that were dropped on the final drive, four if you count the guy that got jacked in the endzone. One even hit the guy in between the numbers. Mallett had good zip on the ball, but he did have a slight problem of overthrowing. That is kind of expected with only being a RS Soph though. I'd like to see him stay another year since I think he would be the fourth QB taken at best this year.

[ThePudge]

Mallett played fantastic at the end of that game. This was the first time that I really sat down and watched and Arkansas game, it was crazy how many balls his WRs dropped. There were three that were dropped on the final drive, four if you count the guy that got jacked in the endzone. One even hit the guy in between the numbers. Mallett had good zip on the ball, but he did have a slight problem of overthrowing. That is kind of expected with only being a RS Soph though. I'd like to see him stay another year since I think he would be the fourth QB taken at best this year.

Be careful with that statement I bolded. I initially thought that, but after watching Mallett a lot you see how poorly he's been painted here. Posters here look at his stats and peg him as inaccurate or inefficient which couldn't be further from the truth.

Mallett definitely has some balls that take off on him, thankfully they are usually the ones toward the sidelines.

In 2011, I think he's the #1 Overall Pick or something in the Top 3. In 2010, I personally think he could climb to the #2 spot among QBs, maybe even first though I highly doubt that.

I rank the relevant QBs:

1, Jimmy Clausen - Notre Dame - Top 10
2. Ryan Mallett - Arkansas - Top 15
3. Jake Locker - Washington - Top 15
4. Sam Bradford - Oklahoma - Top 20
5. Colt McCoy - Texas - Mid Second-Early Third
6. Tim Tebow - Florida - Late First-Mid Second

[the decider13]

IMO, I have Mallett ranked behind Bradford for this season. I really like Clausen, who I think has secured the number one QB spot. I actually haven't watched much of Locker, my opinion on him is based purely on what I've read. I've watched tons of Bradford though and I really like him. I think he gets ripped on a lot for his lack of arm strength, but I've never seen that as a problem with him. He has decent zip on the ball and throws a decent deep ball.

Mallett definately has the physical tools to assert himself at the top of this draft, and someone will likely fall in love with his arm strength. I'm definately a fan of his and think he gets torn up on here a lot, but I still think he gets drafted 4th, probably in the late first, early 2nd.

[ThePudge]

IMO, I have Mallett ranked behind Bradford for this season. I really like Clausen, who I think has secured the number one QB spot. I actually haven't watched much of Locker, my opinion on him is based purely on what I've read. I've watched tons of Bradford though and I really like him. I think he gets ripped on a lot for his lack of arm strength, but I've never seen that as a problem with him. He has decent zip on the ball and throws a decent deep ball.

Mallett definately has the physical tools to assert himself at the top of this draft, and someone will likely fall in love with his arm strength. I'm definately a fan of his and think he gets torn up on here a lot, but I still think he gets drafted 4th, probably in the late first, early 2nd.

I agree with you in liking Bradford. I still think he's a legit prospect. He puts zip on the ball and can drop a pass in 20 yards downfield, over the middle, better than any QB in this class. I like him more than Locker, I just think Locker will go earlier. To be consistent (see my McCoy-Tebow ranking), I'll say Bradford is my #3 QB, Locker my #4.

Now, I'm not trying to be a jerk here or argue you on your opinion. But I've never heard of a successful 6'7 235+ pound QB, with that rocket arm, solid mechanics, good QB intangibles, be a late first-early second prospect. He's come far enough. Experience remains a concern, as does footwork in and outside the pocket, and he certainly needs to work on his touch on short to intermediate passes. Still, these are all correctable, and in most years you could draw up a prospect like this and call him a Top 10-15 pick without catching any flack. So, with as much as I've seen him (the same film an NFL would look at) I think he'd be a very high pick this year by April. His stock would only rise I imagine, due to the Combine and personal workouts in which some teams would fall in love with him.

A couple pieces I've wrote on him in recent weeks...

Before the game against MSU...

- Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett is not a finished product, and no one is under the impression that he is. He needs to improve his accuracy and consistency, as well as footwork in and outside the pocket. To fully complete his development, Mallett needs to become more of a quarterback than a ball-thrower. He needs to be able to command his team in the huddle and he needs to emerge as a true team leader.

With that all said, he has unbelievable natural tools. He has one of the strongest arms I've ever seen in football. The zip this guy puts on deep outs and passes over 40 yards is unreal. He has tremendous size, standing well over 6'6 and weighing in at over 235 pounds. He shows poise, accuracy on his intermediate-deep routes, and the ability to put the ball 70+ yards downfield or squeeze a ball into the tightest spots. He also protects the ball remarkably well for his aggressive style (4 interceptions). Athletically, he's more similar to JaMarcus Russell coming out of LSU than Andrew Walter out of ASU. He definitely shows the ability to move and to pick up yards with his legs, but like Russell, he lacks development of footwork in and outside the pocket.

There's just simply too much natural talent and ability there to overlook Mallett as a serious NFL prospect. In the beginning of the season Mallett was unproven and extremely raw, but he's settled in at Arkansas, looks a lot more comfortable, and has improved his game a startling amount. He's not anywhere near complete, in fact, of any Top Three Round QB prospect this year, he probably has the furthest to go as well as overall development. Still, God has given him the most natural talent of the bunch, and of just about all of recent QB prospects. If Ryan Mallett makes the move to come out this year, he's likely to find a way into the Top 15-20. If he stays, he's the frontrunner for the #1 pick in 2011.

After...

Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett completed 18 of 34 passes for 310 yards 5 Touchdowns and 2 Interceptions in a 42-21 win over Mississippi State. Some may gripe about his 53% completion percentage on the day, and two interceptions, but I’m willing to bet people didn’t watch every pass Mallett threw on Saturday. I’m happy to say I did. While his shortcomings were evident at times, he showed a remarkable amount of improvement and displayed a little of everything against the Bulldogs. Mallett went up top, put balls over his receivers shoulder, and scored. Mallett surveyed the field, checked down, and scored. Mallett rolled out of the pocket, bought time with his feet, threw across his body, and scored. I’m more confident than ever that he can make all of the throws JaMarcus Russell could coming out of LSU, perhaps more. He has a beautiful play-action fake and throws a near immaculate deep ball. All day he did what the Razorbacks coaches and his teammates needed him to do.

For a guy who doesn’t get much credit for intangibles, he’s incredibly poised and doesn’t get rattled easily. He went 3/3 in the redzone, including two Td passes. Both times he forced passes into tight spots and ended up getting picked off, he led his team back. I haven’t seen Mallett rattled and he’s absolutely scary when he gets in a rhythm. He seems to be a fine teammate as well and you can tell his line & receivers rally around him and feed off his presence. He seems to be clearing up a lot of misconceptions about himself as a player and person every week. I wrote above in my initial thoughts that Mallett remained more of a ball-thrower than a quarterback, and I think I may be eating some crow already as he has some innate QB skills. He surveys the defense, makes good pre-snap reads, and goes through his progressions quickly, not taking the amount of sacks and hits you’d expect behind a very average offensive line. Mechanically, his release is quick, high, and he throws a very pretty ball. His accuracy is one of his stronger points as he can put the ball in the tightest spots, almost always gives his receivers a chance to catch the ball with his location, and shows the ability to time his receivers very well coming out of breaks and running full stride.

Mallett still showed some drawbacks as a prospect, not everything was perfect. His footwork in the pocket remains average, more inconsistent than anything, and out of the pocket he looks significantly more comfortable moving out to his right and throwing the ball than he does to his left. He’s still getting a lot of balls dropped and a big part of it is how hard he throws the ball on short to intermediate routes. He needs to find some touch on those passes, especially over the middle of the field, if he wants to be a complete player. That kind of thing will get him into some trouble at the next level.

Man, what a prospect though. I tried to go out on a limb in my original post, mentioning Mallett as a potential Top 15 pick this year. I really don’t consider that going out on a limb anymore. So how’s this, if Mallett declares in 2010, he will be a Top 10 pick and is going to have a better chance than some think at being the first Quarterback off the board.

[FloridaSkinzFan]

Just posting the stats so far for some QB's, no paticular order


Jimmy Clausen - 289/425 3722 yards 68% 28 TD 4 INT 161.43 Rating

Colt Mccoy - 310/432 3328 yards 71% 27 TD 9 INT 152.93 Rating

Tony Pike - 162/249 2048 yards 65% 23 TD 3 INT 162.22 Rating

Tim Tebow - 162/244 2166 yards 66% 17 TD 4 INT 160.67 Rating

Ryan Mallett - 210/367 3425 yards 57% 29 TD 7 INT 157.87 Rating

Jake Locker - 211/372 2552 yards 56% 18 TD 11 INT 124.40 Rating

[Sniper]

I've made fun of Jimmy Clausen a lot before, but man, this kid can ball.

[jimbo]

Be careful with that statement I bolded. I initially thought that, but after watching Mallett a lot you see how poorly he's been painted here. Posters here look at his stats and peg him as inaccurate or inefficient which couldn't be further from the truth.

Mallett definitely has some balls that take off on him, thankfully they are usually the ones toward the sidelines.

In 2011, I think he's the #1 Overall Pick or something in the Top 3. In 2010, I personally think he could climb to the #2 spot among QBs, maybe even first though I highly doubt that.

I rank the relevant QBs:

1, Jimmy Clausen - Notre Dame - Top 10
2. Ryan Mallett - Arkansas - Top 15
3. Jake Locker - Washington - Top 15
4. Sam Bradford - Oklahoma - Top 20
5. Colt McCoy - Texas - Mid Second-Early Third
6. Tim Tebow - Florida - Late First-Mid Second

That's funny that you think Colt McCoy is actually a relevant QB.

[Day One Pick]

Just posting the stats so far for some QB's, no paticular order


Jimmy Clausen - 289/425 3722 yards 68% 28 TD 4 INT 161.43 Rating

Colt Mccoy - 310/432 3328 yards 71% 27 TD 9 INT 152.93 Rating

Tony Pike - 162/249 2048 yards 65% 23 TD 3 INT 162.22 Rating

Tim Tebow - 162/244 2166 yards 66% 17 TD 4 INT 160.67 Rating

Ryan Mallett - 210/367 3425 yards 57% 29 TD 7 INT 157.87 Rating

Jake Locker - 211/372 2552 yards 56% 18 TD 11 INT 124.40 Rating

What if Pike didn't get hurt? He might have been right in the mix for the Heisman, and some possible top 10-15 pick talk.

[Hurricanes25]

That's funny that you think Colt McCoy is actually a relevant QB.

It's not funny at all. I think McCoy will be a great fit in a WCO.

[Day One Pick]

It's not funny at all. I think McCoy will be a great fit in a WCO.

I'm with you.

[descendency]

The raiders are a disgrace of a football team.
Colt McCoy's leadership, accuracy, and field awareness would be a major upgrade in Oakland. They tried a big arm QB with Russell, and he's on his way out of the league soon.

"Does not fit scheme. Not on big board."

It's that simple.

[ThePudge]

What if Pike didn't get hurt? He might have been right in the mix for the Heisman, and some possible top 10-15 pick talk.

I don't think so. You see how successful Zach Collaros was in that offense? Fact is, no QB has played in that offense and not looked good going back to Brian Kelly's days at Central Michigan.

Pike, I simply think he's a 4th Round talent or so. There's a lot to like in terms of size, poise, ability to throw on the move; however, I think Pike's game may not translate to the pro game all too well. For starters, Pike plays in a spread-style offense that allows him to make the majority of his reads before the snap. As any system like this, the primary target is identified right away and the offense is relied upon to spread out the defense and make it an easy throw for Pike. That's the problem really, it's just too many simple reads and easy throws, almost like a dumbed down version of Oklahoma's offense with Sam Bradford. Too often it seems that Pike is simply the middle man between the Center and receiver, not playing with the responsibility or pressures of a Pro-Style QB.

Pike has an arm, and superb touch, but I've never been impressed the zip he puts on his short to intermediate routes and wonder if he can make those throws as effectively in the NFL as he has in college. It's not often we see Pike squeeze a ball into a tight spot, and when he goes deep, it's to take advantage of single coverage as will hang the ball up there and lets the receiver do most of the work. He throws a very catchable ball, and mechanically there is nothing putrid in his release; but, as a whole, he has a long way to go in terms of adjusting to a Pro-Style offense and the speed and physicality of NFL defenses.

+ Size
+ Poise
+ Ability to throw on the move
+ Superb Touch

- Inexperienced under Center
- Lacks velocity on short to intermediate routes
- Played in a QB-friendly offense that required him to make few NFL reads or passes
- Somewhat frail build, injury prone

[ThePudge]

That's funny that you think Colt McCoy is actually a relevant QB.

I didn't use to, but right now, I have to face the facts. I wouldn't personally pick him to start, or to one day start for my team, but I think an NFL team will. This is a little piece I wrote on him after last week's game. His stock has only risen (though slightly) since then.

Texas QB Colt McCoy came into the season a Heisman front runner and perhaps the draft’s top senior Quarterback. He hasn’t quite lived up to lofty expectations in 2009, but he’s certainly making a late push. McCoy completed 32 of 41 passes for 396 yards and 4 Td’s en route to being named Big XII Offensive Player of the Week after a 51-20 victory over Kansas. The super accurate McCoy completed 78% of his passes and ended up with four completions over 34 yards on the night.

Colt definitely doesn’t have a strong arm, and he’s certainly not built like an NFL signal caller, but what he lacks physically, he makes up for in intangibles. McCoy’s extremely accurate on short to intermediate routes, he puts more than adequate zip on the ball, he’s extremely smart, is a 4 year starter, and is adept with his feet, capable of avoiding the rush, throwing on the run, and picking up big yards with his feet. He doesn’t throw the deep ball overly well, as he lacks elite arm strength as I said, but he displays superb touch and has enough to throw a good ball 40 yards down the field. He lacks some of his physical qualities (height notably), but McCoy definitely has some similarities to former #1 Overall pick Alex Smith. Now, McCoy won’t go nearly that high, but his experience, accuracy, athleticism, and overall intangibles are going to garner more interest than some think.

No, I don’t think the Texas offense or Big XII defenses the past couple years truly prepare him for the NFL game, but I may have been a bit too harsh on the guy early on in the process. As an NFL Quarterback prospect, I would put him ahead of Tim Tebow, Tony Pike, and every other Senior QB. To me, he’s an Early 3rd Round prospect, but with his coach-friendly skill set, I could see a team invest a Mid-Late 2nd on McCoy.

[etk]

That's funny that you think Colt McCoy is actually a relevant QB.

His upside is limited, but I think McCoy profiles as a decent game manager who could have a long career as a spot starter and backup. I don't think he'll be a complete bust.

[Babylon]

His upside is limited, but I think McCoy profiles as a decent game manager who could have a long career as a spot starter and backup. I don't think he'll be a complete bust.

A bit limited as you say, he reminds me of a Rich Gannon who had a nice career.

[jimbo]

His upside is limited, but I think McCoy profiles as a decent game manager who could have a long career as a spot starter and backup. I don't think he'll be a complete bust.

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't take a career backup with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

[etk]

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't take a career backup with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Neither would I. I would take Colt in the mid rounds. Can't say the same about Sam Bradford.

[jimbo]

Neither would I. I would take Colt in the mid rounds. Can't say the same about Sam Bradford.

And why not? Because Bradford actually has accuracy whereas McCoy does not?

[superman8456]

I'm a fan of Ryan Mallett. I saw his game last night against LSU and I was pretty impressed. He seemed to look for the deep ball a little more than I would like, instead of using his shorter, intermediate routes more. I've heard a lot of bad things about his accuracy, but he was throwing balls on the money yesterday. For an oline that wasnt giving him a lot of time to throw, he looked extremely poised in the pocket and had a good feel for the rush.

I'm officially a fan of Mallett, and I wanna see more of him.

[Babylon]

Have been doing my post saturday wrap up of Jake Locker's game so only two more, that should make everyone happy.

Keep in mind it was Washington St. but Jake had a nice game.

Positives: Ran well, 94 yards on 10 carries and a TD, one called back on a questionable grab so the wheels were rolling. Threw the ball well,16-26 194 yds, the usual 4-5 drops but you have to expect that with this bunch. I thought he really threw the deep seem route and the deep out the best.

Negatives: Hesitated a bit on when to tuck it and run but not to a fault and i will say his touch passes need work.

overall grade A

[ThePudge]

I'm a fan of Ryan Mallett. I saw his game last night against LSU and I was pretty impressed. He seemed to look for the deep ball a little more than I would like, instead of using his shorter, intermediate routes more. I've heard a lot of bad things about his accuracy, but he was throwing balls on the money yesterday. For an oline that wasnt giving him a lot of time to throw, he looked extremely poised in the pocket and had a good feel for the rush.

I'm officially a fan of Mallett, and I wanna see more of him.

That's why you can't read these boards and expect to get a good read on Mallett. A majority of those who hate on him here haven't actually watched him play. They see his completion percentage and slap labels on him. He's very accurate and very poised, in addition to that huge arm.

Glad a couple others here are starting to take the time to watch him. Gifted prospect, a very special player.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

His upside is limited, but I think McCoy profiles as a decent game manager who could have a long career as a spot starter and backup. I don't think he'll be a complete bust.

I think he'll have a Jeff Garcia type career.

[Cigaro]

I said it a few months ago, and I know I'm not the only one, but Ryan Mallett will be a #1 pick. Honestly, I think he'd go number one even this year after he blows up the Combine.

[ThePudge]

I said it a few months ago, and I know I'm not the only one, but Ryan Mallett will be a #1 pick. Honestly, I think he'd go number one even this year after he blows up the Combine.

Hey! There we go! I don't see how he could ever be a late first round pick with his tools and success. I've analyzed him A LOT... he's not a late first round pick if he comes out this year, he's a Top 10-15 pick, maybe even #1 as you said. He's not done developing, but he has a whole lot to work with and is much further along than some here realize.

[Babylon]

Hey! There we go! I don't see how he could ever be a late first round pick with his tools and success. I've analyzed him A LOT... he's not a late first round pick if he comes out this year, he's a Top 10-15 pick, maybe even #1 as you said. He's not done developing, but he has a whole lot to work with and is much further along than some here realize.

I think he needs to get another year on his resume. If he comes out this year he isnt going to get above Clausen and Locker in my mind, Clausen to me is better and Locker and Mallett are close but Locker's speed would make him more attractive i think. Mallett comes back and has a good year next year he's looking at a top 5 pick.

[JFLO]

I think he needs to get another year on his resume. If he comes out this year he isnt going to get above Clausen and Locker in my mind, Clausen to me is better and Locker and Mallett are close but Locker's speed would make him more attractive i think. Mallett comes back and has a good year next year he's looking at a top 5 pick.

He can overcome Clausen's stock IMO, but Locker is the best quarterback in this class regardless of Mallett declaring or not.

I agree with you though in the fact that if he returns for another season, he'll be a top 5 pick, but with a possible rookie pay scale next season, it may be hard to not declare this season.

He absolutely oozes potential, but I don't know if I would risk a top pick on him, but it is kind of that way with Locker too, I just see a safer pick in Locker than I do Mallett.

#1 pick? I really don't see it, but I do see a guy who could be a Top 20 pick and eventually be a starter at the next level. I wouldn't even think about starting him next season though in the NFL.

[ThePudge]

#1 pick? I really don't see it, but I do see a guy who could be a Top 20 pick and eventually be a starter at the next level. I wouldn't even think about starting him next season though in the NFL.

Why? I think he's miles ahead of Josh Freeman in terms of pure QB skills, consistency, poise, and accuracy.

As for Locker, I think too much is made of his running ability. He's a great athlete, but so are NFL Linebackers. Mobile QBs as a whole aren't doing all too well in the NFL right now. Not a lot of QBs these days that can make the big play with their feet, including Vince Young. I think Locker's a Top 10-15 pick, but if I'm in the market for a physically gifted QB, I take Mallett personally. Sit him if you want, go ahead, don't rush him into action.

He's shown so much more than physically Top 20 QBs Josh Freeman and Joe Flacco. People are still being very conservative in breaking down Mallett as an NFL prospect.

[etk]

Why? I think he's miles ahead of Josh Freeman in terms of pure QB skills, consistency, poise, and accuracy.

As for Locker, I think too much is made of his running ability. He's a great athlete, but so are NFL Linebackers. Mobile QBs as a whole aren't doing all too well in the NFL right now. Not a lot of QBs these days that can make the big play with their feet, including Vince Young. I think Locker's a Top 10-15 pick, but if I'm in the market for a physically gifted QB, I take Mallett personally. Sit him if you want, go ahead, don't rush him into action.

He's shown so much more than physically Top 20 QBs Josh Freeman and Joe Flacco. People are still being very conservative in breaking down Mallett as an NFL prospect.

Disagree there. Freeman is as poised as it gets.

[JFLO]

I really don't think Mallett has better character than Freeman either. Mallett seems to have a Philip Rivers' mentality on the field. I guess that is good in a sense, but it gets you **** on the field that you probably don't want.

I didn't like Freeman as a prospect very much, so I guess that kind of explains my opinion on Mallett, but I think he has a bit more adjusting to do before I can proclaim him to be a #1 pick.

But look at what we are discussing here, there isn't that big of a difference between being a #1 pick and being, say, the 21st overall pick, especially next year.

I agree with the Freeman>Mallett in the poise argument. Mallett gets seriously rushed big time when he feels the pressure.

[ThePudge]

Disagree there. Freeman is as poised as it gets.

It was a pretty general statement, but I agree with you in that Freeman's very poised. I talked pretty highly of Freeman last year, but watching them both a lot, I think Mallett's the superior NFL prospect and is further along as a college player. He's doing it against the nation's best too, in the SEC, and he's doing a lot of work under center.

Good to see Freeman playing so well. I always said he could be the best of the bunch if he were thrown into the right situation (team with good OL, defense, run game, receivers, etc.) He hasn't been thrown into that kind of situation and has still been impressive. Hats off to Mr. Freeman.

[etk]

It was a pretty general statement, but I agree with you in that Freeman's very poised. I talked pretty highly of Freeman last year, but watching them both a lot, I think Mallett's the superior NFL prospect and is further along as a college player. He's doing it against the nation's best too, in the SEC, and he's doing a lot of work under center.

Good to see Freeman playing so well. I always said he could be the best of the bunch if he were thrown into the right situation (team with good OL, defense, run game, receivers, etc.) He hasn't been thrown into that kind of situation and has still been impressive. Hats off to Mr. Freeman.

Your post was a good post. I'm just nitpicking to be sure that you're not talking about the wrong Freeman.

I agree that Mallett is a better and more proven prospect, but Freeman has close to, if not elite intangibles. I don't know how Mallett is in that regard but Freeman is a hard-working competitor who wants to win and be the best. Don't bet against guys like Freeman and Matt Ryan who have the drive to become successful.

[ThePudge]

I agree with the Freeman>Mallett in the poise argument. Mallett gets seriously rushed big time when he feels the pressure.

Out of his 7 interceptions this year, only 7, I don't think more than 2 could be attributed to pressure. Mostly it's Mallett trying to force in a pass he thinks he can make, or a tipped ball off his receivers hands. He stands in and will take a hit. He typically gets rid of the ball pretty fast, but shows patience even in the face of a pass-rush and has done a good job in recent weeks using simple footwork to evade the rush and keep plays alive. I'm not coming at you here, but I think just about everyone needs to watch a little more Arkansas football, because people are trying to make assumptions about the physically gifted QB.

He does have some Phillip Rivers character, very passionate. His teammates and receivers respect him, as evidenced by behavior on and off the field. He's smart too, he's patient, and he's very active making pre-snap reads.

I'm sorry, I simply feel his game translates to the NFL very well, and I'm tired of people that have either looked at stats, simply made blind assumptions, or those that have seen him play maybe one game. Watch him play, you'll like him. NFL scouts and coaching staffs are going to love what this kid gives them to work with. He's already very good.

[Thumper]

I think that Tim Tebow can be a good QB in the NFL if used correctly, if a coach tries to build a prototype like Carson Palmer or Peyton Manning, Tebow will bust. But if Tebow gets a coach that is willing to adjust their offense for him, he'll do fine. If Tebow can get to a team that will play an offense similar to that of the Titans he could be good.

[Babylon]

Why? I think he's miles ahead of Josh Freeman in terms of pure QB skills, consistency, poise, and accuracy.

As for Locker, I think too much is made of his running ability. He's a great athlete, but so are NFL Linebackers. Mobile QBs as a whole aren't doing all too well in the NFL right now. Not a lot of QBs these days that can make the big play with their feet, including Vince Young. I think Locker's a Top 10-15 pick, but if I'm in the market for a physically gifted QB, I take Mallett personally. Sit him if you want, go ahead, don't rush him into action.

He's shown so much more than physically Top 20 QBs Josh Freeman and Joe Flacco. People are still being very conservative in breaking down Mallett as an NFL prospect.


Locker has as good an arm as anyone playing at the college level so if you're looking for a phyically gifter QB then you take the more stationary guy in Mallett over the more mobile Locker. Makes no sense.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I think that Tim Tebow can be a good QB in the NFL if used correctly, if a coach tries to build a prototype like Carson Palmer or Peyton Manning, Tebow will bust. But if Tebow gets a coach that is willing to adjust their offense for him, he'll do fine. If Tebow can get to a team that will play an offense similar to that of the Titans he could be good.

So what you're saying is that Tebow needs a running back like Chris Johnson to succeed?

[ThePudge]

Locker has as good an arm as anyone playing at the college level so if you're looking for a phyically gifter QB then you take the more stationary guy in Mallett over the more mobile Locker. Makes no sense.

Locker's arm isn't Mallett's arm, though I don't think that really matters. Mallett may have the strongest arm in football on any level. I hardly think it comes down the more mobile of the two, I'd look for the better QB, who I think is and will be Ryan Mallett. It's ok that you have a different opinion, in April no two draft boards are going to look the same. If you want, go back and read my bigger scouting reports on Mallett (on the end of the previous page) which directly correspond to film study. You'll understand in a bigger way what I like about him and why I am so high on him.

[Thumper]

So what you're saying is that Tebow needs a running back like Chris Johnson to succeed?

No, he needs a coach that is willing to throw in some option offense like Jeff Fisher is doing with Vince Young. If you try to make him a pocket passer (something he is not) then he will bust but if you put him in a situation where he is comfortable he will have success in the NFL, and that situation will of course be the option offense.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

No, he needs a coach that is willing to throw in some option offense like Jeff Fisher is doing with Vince Young. If you try to make him a pocket passer (something he is not) then he will bust but if you put him in a situation where he is comfortable he will have success in the NFL, and that situation will of course be the option offense.

The only reason Tennessee is running the option is because they have a runner capable of turning the edge of NFL defenses without breaking much of a sweat. That's the whole reason. Sure, they wouldn't be doing it with Kerry Collins, but they simply couldn't do it with a slower runningback.

Vince Young is still mostly a game manager back there for the Titans.

[Day One Pick]

I don't think so. You see how successful Zach Collaros was in that offense? Fact is, no QB has played in that offense and not looked good going back to Brian Kelly's days at Central Michigan.

Pike, I simply think he's a 4th Round talent or so. There's a lot to like in terms of size, poise, ability to throw on the move; however, I think Pike's game may not translate to the pro game all too well. For starters, Pike plays in a spread-style offense that allows him to make the majority of his reads before the snap. As any system like this, the primary target is identified right away and the offense is relied upon to spread out the defense and make it an easy throw for Pike. That's the problem really, it's just too many simple reads and easy throws, almost like a dumbed down version of Oklahoma's offense with Sam Bradford. Too often it seems that Pike is simply the middle man between the Center and receiver, not playing with the responsibility or pressures of a Pro-Style QB.

Pike has an arm, and superb touch, but I've never been impressed the zip he puts on his short to intermediate routes and wonder if he can make those throws as effectively in the NFL as he has in college. It's not often we see Pike squeeze a ball into a tight spot, and when he goes deep, it's to take advantage of single coverage as will hang the ball up there and lets the receiver do most of the work. He throws a very catchable ball, and mechanically there is nothing putrid in his release; but, as a whole, he has a long way to go in terms of adjusting to a Pro-Style offense and the speed and physicality of NFL defenses.

+ Size
+ Poise
+ Ability to throw on the move
+ Superb Touch

- Inexperienced under Center
- Lacks velocity on short to intermediate routes
- Played in a QB-friendly offense that required him to make few NFL reads or passes
- Somewhat frail build, injury prone

I can't argue with anything you really said, it's a pretty fair analysis. But, take a look at the negatives you listed. They all seem like things that can be corrected. I think you could almost take a Joe Flacco scouting report and make some minor changes to it and use it for Pike. Flacco has a stronger arm, but his arm is stronger than 9 out of 10 QB's. I actually think physically Pike may have fewer holes than most of the other QB prospects in this class. If he adds 10 pounds to his frame he suddenly an ideal 6-6, 225, he has an NFL arm, and everything else you mentioned. Then you coach him up on his negatives and I think you have a very quality NFL QB.

[ThePudge]

I can't argue with anything you really said, it's a pretty fair analysis. But, take a look at the negatives you listed. They all seem like things that can be corrected. I think you could almost take a Joe Flacco scouting report and make some minor changes to it and use it for Pike. Flacco has a stronger arm, but his arm is stronger than 9 out of 10 QB's. I actually think physically Pike may have fewer holes than most of the other QB prospects in this class. If he adds 10 pounds to his frame he suddenly an ideal 6-6, 225, he has an NFL arm, and everything else you mentioned. Then you coach him up on his negatives and I think you have a very quality NFL QB.

Joe Flacco had much better zip on his ball and is built like a QB. Pike is frail and I doubt he'll be able to just put on weight and correct that, he's proven to be very injury prone even though he doesn't take hits like an NFL QB would/does. He has an arm, but not the velocity. His offense involves less NFL reads than Urban Meyer's, Mack Brown's, or Bob Stoops. I'm serious there, very simple reads and very little in terms of going through progressions. Sure, it's fixable, but his success in college can be directly attributed to that, so how good a QB is he or can he be? I just don't see Pike ever starting.

Senior Bowl and Combine are going to be very interesting for these QBs as we're going to see what they can do on the same scale.

[Day One Pick]

Joe Flacco had much better zip on his ball and is built like a QB. Pike is frail and I doubt he'll be able to just put on weight and correct that, he's proven to be very injury prone even though he doesn't take hits like an NFL QB would/does. He has an arm, but not the velocity. His offense involves less NFL reads than Urban Meyer's, Mack Brown's, or Bob Stoops. I'm serious there, very simple reads and very little in terms of going through progressions. Sure, it's fixable, but his success in college can be directly attributed to that, so how good a QB is he or can he be? I just don't see Pike ever starting.

Senior Bowl and Combine are going to be very interesting for these QBs as we're going to see what they can do on the same scale.

I am really looking forward to seeing what QB's do play in the Senior Bowl. I really hope Pike, Tebow, and McCoy all play. I will say I'll be surprised if Tebow plays. He could really get exposed during that week. It might be in his best interest to bank on getting drafted high because his name is Tim Tebow and there's sure to be a team in love with his intangibles.

[Prowler]

i agree about tebow, but i think beyond a doubt he will be there competing.

[SenorGato]

Joe Flacco had much better zip on his ball and is built like a QB. Pike is frail and I doubt he'll be able to just put on weight and correct that, he's proven to be very injury prone even though he doesn't take hits like an NFL QB would/does. He has an arm, but not the velocity. His offense involves less NFL reads than Urban Meyer's, Mack Brown's, or Bob Stoops. I'm serious there, very simple reads and very little in terms of going through progressions. Sure, it's fixable, but his success in college can be directly attributed to that, so how good a QB is he or can he be? I just don't see Pike ever starting.

Senior Bowl and Combine are going to be very interesting for these QBs as we're going to see what they can do on the same scale.

Pike strikes me as an Erik Ainge type college QB that would make an excellent Day 2 pick to develop.

He can probably fly up boards, but he's one of those QB's with alot of room to develop his frame and game in the NFL.

[Day One Pick]

i agree about tebow, but i think beyond a doubt he will be there competing.

Yeah I also think the competitor in him will play a big part. I would say it's 50/50.

[Hurricanes25]

Peter King has talked to 17 coaches and personnel executives over the past month and 2 of them said that Tebow will not get past them in the 1st round.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/29/king-two-coaches-say-tebow-wont-get-past-them-in-round-one/

[RaiderNation]

Peter King has talked to 17 coaches and personnel executives over the past month and 2 of them said that Tebow will not get past them in the 1st round.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/29/king-two-coaches-say-tebow-wont-get-past-them-in-round-one/

Jags and Redskins? Maybe Panthers(I know they dont have a 1st but still might like him), Bills?

[Nalej]

Wow........

[619]

Wow........

That should no longer be surprising. This kinda stuff about Tebow was floating around for some time now. I guess it needed to be reaffirmed one last time. What would be more surprising is if teams told PK that they would select Tebow in the top 10.

[Cigaro]

fml if Panthers draft Tebow(ok, I'll take him in the fourth as FB/WCatQB).

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Not that there is much buzz about this guy, but I was wondering if Mitch Mustain has any shot at being a late round guy? He has good size at 6'3, 200 lbs. Never really got a shot once he transferred. Could be a late round flier, a UDFA, or is his career over?

[RaiderNation]

Not that there is much buzz about this guy, but I was wondering if Mitch Mustain has any shot at being a late round guy? He has good size at 6'3, 200 lbs. Never really got a shot once he transferred. Could be a late round flier, a UDFA, or is his career over?

Matt Casselzzzz the 2ndzzzzzzzzzz

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Another guy I have questions about is Pat Devlin. Any chance he gets an NFL look?

[princefielder28]

Another guy I have questions about is Pat Devlin. Any chance he gets an NFL look?

He'll certainly get a look but it won't be this year. Look for him next year and see how improves following his first year at Delaware.

[Prophet]

Not that there is much buzz about this guy, but I was wondering if Mitch Mustain has any shot at being a late round guy? He has good size at 6'3, 200 lbs. Never really got a shot once he transferred. Could be a late round flier, a UDFA, or is his career over?

Mustain has settled on the fact he will never see a serious snap at SC. This summer he expressed no interest in trasfering again, rather he wants to pursue academics and has plans of settling down with his girlfriend in southern California.
It would not appear that the NFL is in his future.

[descendency]

I can't argue with anything you really said, it's a pretty fair analysis. But, take a look at the negatives you listed. They all seem like things that can be corrected. I think you could almost take a Joe Flacco scouting report and make some minor changes to it and use it for Pike. Flacco has a stronger arm, but his arm is stronger than 9 out of 10 QB's. I actually think physically Pike may have fewer holes than most of the other QB prospects in this class. If he adds 10 pounds to his frame he suddenly an ideal 6-6, 225, he has an NFL arm, and everything else you mentioned. Then you coach him up on his negatives and I think you have a very quality NFL QB.

You can't correct ball velocity or overall depth (throwing distance). Pike is a slightly more talented Kyle Orton. They both will struggle without the ability to consistently throw the NFL routes (18+ yard stick routes) and will allow DBs to play man press against their WRs while the pass rushers blitz all game. Both are basically career backups despite Orton's current starting position.

He is strictly a backup for a timing and route based offense (WCO) QB.

Neither would I. I would take Colt in the mid rounds. Can't say the same about Sam Bradford.

o.0... You wouldn't take a top 10 rated player in the middle rounds? Pre-injury, Bradford was the #1 overall pick likely. Good accuracy, good touch, NFL capable arm, NFL throws, takes snaps under center, good footwork, smart, NFL size but needs bulk, etc. The one that draws Peyton Manning comparisons?

That Sam Bradford?

[descendency]

Jags and Redskins? Maybe Panthers(I know they dont have a 1st but still might like him), Bills?

Article says winning franchises.

Jaguars and Vikings. Book it.

[Bald_81]

You can't correct ball velocity or overall depth (throwing distance).

http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/tombrady.jpg

He begs to differ. His arm strength and velocity on his throws has GREATLY improved since college. There's no denying that. One other person I would throw into that mix is Aaron Rodgers, who has one of the stronger arms in the league right now.

[descendency]

He begs to differ. His arm strength and velocity on his throws has GREATLY improved since college. There's no denying that. One other person I would throw into that mix is Aaron Rodgers, who has one of the stronger arms in the league right now.

His throwing mechanics improved. He stopped throwing off the balls of his feet. That'll improve your depth and zip.

If you could just coach up arm strength, people would be all over Kyle Orton. Brady Quinn. Jason Campbell. etc.

edit: That's a really embarrassing picture... poor Brady.

edit2: The reason I am distinguishing between improving zip and improving mechanics leading to improving overall zip on the ball is because the QB actually has to have mechanics issues for that to be effective. If the QB has elite mechanics and no zip on the ball, then there is no hope for them.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Both Brady and Rodgers had really good throwing arms coming out of college. Brady's throws had great zip and his release point produced one of the prettier balls of any QB in that draft, he just wasn't taken seriously as an athlete. Rodgers also had a great arm with great short range zip and very good deep accuracy.

That said, you absolutely can correct the way a quarterback throws the ball. It's just that a lot of quarterbacks never recover from their mechanics being messed with. Some adopt a new motion readily (Drew Brees basically re-invented himself after 3 years in the NFL), but a lot just don't take to it.

[Saints-Tigers]

Some guy bet me 20 bucks that Tim Tebow will go first overall, and wants to bet me 100 that he will go top 5.

[JFLO]

Some guy bet me 20 bucks that Tim Tebow will go first overall, and wants to bet me 100 that he will go top 5.

Haha, I did that a couple of years ago, a buddy at school bet me 50 dollars that Troy Smith would go in the Top Ten in whatever draft he entered. Easiest bet of my life, well, one of them.

[Babylon]

Some guy bet me 20 bucks that Tim Tebow will go first overall, and wants to bet me 100 that he will go top 5.

I'd take that bet. Tebow will go higher than we think. At this time a few years ago a lot of the things being said about Vince Young are being predicted for Tebow. Tebow is probably benefiting from VY's recent success.

[descendency]

Tebow is already a lock to be a first round pick at this point.

edit: There are two "winning teams" that will take him with their first pick if available. I'm assuming that means he will be at worst 31st.

Also, when someone says "winning" I tend to read "above average" into that. The fact that 2 out of 17 teams say it, it may not carry a lot of weight, but I don't think we are talking about Saints, Colts, Patriots, Bengals, Vikings (now that I think about it), etc.

I think we are talking about two 500 teams that want to draft a winner to push them over the edge. Which pushes him into the top 20.

[Prophet]

At this point I am convinced Tebow will be a first rounder.
With all the wacky owners around the league, you cannot tell me one or more aren't down to take a chance on him.
For a QB he will be a project at best. Sseeing as he has virtually no experience under center and his release is just god awful; there's a laundry list of things to correct on the guy.
And im not convinced he has the speed or power to run on defences in the NFL the way he does in college.
Line him up at Tight End.

[ThePudge]

At this point I am convinced Tebow will be a first rounder.
With all the wacky owners around the league, you cannot tell me one or more aren't down to take a chance on him.
For a QB he will be a project at best. Sseeing as he has virtually no experience under center and his release is just god awful; there's a laundry list of things to correct on the guy.
And im not convinced he has the speed or power to run on defences in the NFL the way he does in college.
Line him up at Tight End.

You say he will be a first round pick, then you say to line him up at Tight End. Have you ever seen him catch a ball, or run a route? Is Tebow a first round pick at TE? Would you draft him over similarly sized teammate Aaron Hernandez?

If a team invests a first round pick in Tebow, it's going to be to put the ball in his hands every play, they're going to invest the time to develop him at QB and will have to make necessary adjustments with their offense and personnel.

[Prophet]

You say he will be a first round pick, then you say to line him up at Tight End. Have you ever seen him catch a ball, or run a route? Is Tebow a first round pick at TE? Would you draft him over similarly sized teammate Aaron Hernandez?

If a team invests a first round pick in Tebow, it's going to be to put the ball in his hands every play, they're going to invest the time to develop him at QB and will have to make necessary adjustments with their offense and personnel.


No one saw Matt Jones catch a ball, he was a 1st rounder at TE.
Im not saying I would pick Tebow in the first round at any position. My point is that someone will take a shot on Tebow at QB in the frist round. Personally I think he is better suited at a different position (be it TE, FB, HB etc.). At QB Tebow is incomplete, and why make personal and coaching adjustments in for a project guy when Clausen, Bradford or Locker are avalible?
But my point is that he will go first round.

[JRTPlaya21]

Matt Jones was a first rounder at WR...

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Er, plenty of people saw Matt Jones catch a ball in pads at the Senior Bowl and then again, without pads, at the Combine and private workouts. Oh, and he was a first rounder at WR.

[ThePudge]

No one saw Matt Jones catch a ball, he was a 1st rounder at TE.
Im not saying I would pick Tebow in the first round at any position. My point is that someone will take a shot on Tebow at QB in the frist round. Personally I think he is better suited at a different position (be it TE, FB, HB etc.). At QB Tebow is incomplete, and why make personal and coaching adjustments in for a project guy when Clausen, Bradford or Locker are avalible?
But my point is that he will go first round.

Tebow's not 6'6 240, and he doesn't have sub 4.4 speed. Jones was an athlete first, without a true feel for the QB position, he played basketball through college and was a workout warrior in a very weak draft class. He was drafted to play WR, no one considered him a QB. Very different from Tim Tebow. Tebow is such a highly rated player and prospect because he's great with the ball in his hands and despite mechanical issues, he's a competitor and makes those around him better. He has the physical & intangible ability to be a QB. It's very hard to rally around a Tight End.

It's funny how some think he's incomplete as a QB prospect, assuming his skill set is better suited for another position, what is he complete at TE/H-B?

You acknowledge that Tebow will be drafted to play QB, in the first round. In my life, I've never seen a team give up on a QB they drafted in the first round and asked him to change positions. Not off the top of my head. If a team drafts him there, it's for a good reason.

Does his skill-set and body translate to a good FB or H-B? Maybe. Will he ever be used there, in that role, by a team that invests a first round pick in him? I highly, highly doubt it.

Also, welcome to the boards man, I see you're new and want to let you know this is all friendly discussion between two people with different opinions. Some new guys get down on themselves and lash out, thinking they are being attacked. Good to have you here and look forward to talking draft with you.

[Prophet]

I just think you guys are misreading my point. And yes, Jones was a WR your rite. But he was just an example.
I acknowledge Tebow will be a first rounder. I am convinced there are enough wacky owners in this league that will take a chance on the guy.
I don't think he's worthy of it. No amount of leadership and heart will make up for his poor mechanics and release and the fact he has never taken a meaningfull snap from under center.
And your rite, no team will pick invest a first round pick in the guy then ask him to change positions. I just brought up the TE/H-B scenario becuase his athleticism would suit those positions better. Mind you his size makes him an inbetween guy; 6'3 seems too tall to be in the backfield.

[ThePudge]

I just think you guys are misreading my point. And yes, Jones was a WR your rite. But he was just an example.
I acknowledge Tebow will be a first rounder. I am convinced there are enough wacky owners in this league that will take a chance on the guy.
I don't think he's worthy of it. No amount of leadership and heart will make up for his poor mechanics and release and the fact he has never taken a meaningfull snap from under center.
And your rite, no team will pick invest a first round pick in the guy then ask him to change positions. I just brought up the TE/H-B scenario becuase his athleticism would suit those positions better. Mind you his size makes him an inbetween guy; 6'3 seems too tall to be in the backfield.

I think I understood what you were saying for the most part, my last sentence: "Does his skill-set and body translate to a good FB or H-B? Maybe. Will he ever be used there, in that role, by a team that invests a first round pick in him? I highly, highly doubt it."

We should probably be talking about what he needs to do mechanically to make him a better player at Quarterback, instead of exploring options that more than likely won't be seen as options by the team that drafts him.

[EvilNixon]

His mechanics and footwork need serious coaching,but He has an NFL arm,and the elite intangibles. I'd love him in Oakland,just not in the top 10.

[Prophet]

He has NFL velocity and accuracy, but the ball must come out much quicker.
No one has ever seen him take a drop of any sort and he has never shown he has the tools to be successfull in a pro-style offense.
There are just too many questions surrounding his possible success as a pro.

[ThePudge]

He has NFL velocity and accuracy, but the ball must come out much quicker.
No one has ever seen him take a drop of any sort and he has never shown he has the tools to be successfull in a pro-style offense.
There are just too many questions surrounding his possible success as a pro.

Well there are your tools. In addition to NFL velocity and accuracy, he has athleticism, mental toughness, intelligence, an above average deep ball, and competitiveness. Obviously, he has holes, we all acknowledge them. His footwork in the pocket and on 3 to 5 step dropbacks is going to be raw, his throwing mechanics are raw, his reads and progressions are going to be very different. Still, we see the tools, and unless there's an extreme mental block there, we can assume he'll be able to learn a lot of those things. He has a lot of innate natural ability, so in the NFL it'll be about coaching, scheme, and personnel.

[Babylon]

I see a lot of the same stuff coming out that was said about Vince Young and he's doing pretty well lately. Not sure Tebow has the ability to scare defenses running the ball but he'll move the chains on 3rd down with his legs. Tebow has some bad mechanics but so did Vince. They just win games those two.

[Hurricanes25]

Tebow has all the tools but as we all know, he needs a few years to develop. I wouldn't take him in the 1st just based on the fact that he has never taken a snap from under center. That scares me.

[superman8456]

I question Tebows velocity and his deep ball. I've see him air it out a couple times, but the offense he plays in doesnt ask for it often. I think he has quite an average NFL arm.

[ThePudge]

I question Tebows velocity and his deep ball. I've see him air it out a couple times, but the offense he plays in doesnt ask for it often. I think he has quite an average NFL arm.

If you can get ahold of film or a re-run of the Florida State game, I'd give it a good watch. I watched that game like a prick (or scout), analyzing his every move, expecting to see more bad than good. What I saw put a smile on my face. He had a lot of velocity on his throws, fitting a couple into very tight spots. He also threw a couple pretty deep balls. You'd like to see it more often, but I know it's there, we know what he can do. I came in with the same questions you expressed, but he really proved me wrong.

Keep in mind, I don't like Tebow as a college player at all. He annoys me. I hate him. Still, the past year I've watched football in a completely different way, and actually was pleased with what I saw from him.

[Brown Leader]

Tebow's not the answer as a starting QB. As a wildcat QB and playmaker he's the prototype. Is it possible he could be a David Garrard after 3yrs of development-no-because he's idolized and high profile and would be scrutinized at every step. Strictly a wildcat playmaker imo and at best a 2nd rd prospect.

[Hurricanes25]

Tebow's not the answer as a starting QB. As a wildcat QB and playmaker he's the prototype. Is it possible he could be a David Garrard after 3yrs of development-no-because he's idolized and high profile and would be scrutinized at every step. Strictly a wildcat playmaker imo and at best a 2nd rd prospect.

This whole "wildcat" is getting blown out of proportion. There is only 1 team that runs it well and that is the Dolphins. They have Pat White so no need for Tebow. I hate when certain players are labled "wildcat quarterback" or "wildcat playmaker".

I do agree with you on him being a 2nd round prospect. He has some potential but he is a very risky player and I wouldn't spend my first rounder on a guy wno needs major development.

[Prophet]

Well there are your tools. In addition to NFL velocity and accuracy, he has athleticism, mental toughness, intelligence, an above average deep ball, and competitiveness. Obviously, he has holes, we all acknowledge them. His footwork in the pocket and on 3 to 5 step dropbacks is going to be raw, his throwing mechanics are raw, his reads and progressions are going to be very different. Still, we see the tools, and unless there's an extreme mental block there, we can assume he'll be able to learn a lot of those things. He has a lot of innate natural ability, so in the NFL it'll be about coaching, scheme, and personnel.

I define NFL tools as percise footwork and mechanics, a quick release, making NFL-like reads in addition to arm strength.
If you currently hold only one of those tools, I consider you far from NFL ready.
There are plenty of kids in the nation who can throw a football. Tim's intellegence, mental/physical toughness, leadership and work eithic do make him special, but there's too many questions surrounding him for ME to consider him a fisrt round talent.
But like i've said all along; he will go first round.

[RaiderNation]

I like Tebow as a wildcat QB for the beginning of his career, then 3-5 years down the road being able to be a starter. I really like him going to New England or Indianapolis and learning behind Manning or Brady, but still bringing in something different to the offence

[Babylon]

I define NFL tools as percise footwork and mechanics, a quick release, making NFL-like reads in addition to arm strength.
If you currently hold only one of those tools, I consider you far from NFL ready.
There are plenty of kids in the nation who can throw a football. Tim's intellegence, mental/physical toughness, leadership and work eithic do make him special, but there's too many questions surrounding him for ME to consider him a fisrt round talent.
But like i've said all along; he will go first round.

I think some of the flaws can be corrected. He's brining the ball up from his waste before he throws, i think he can get that straightened out.

What i look for probably more so than others is can he go through his progressions. Tebow seems to give up on the deep ball too soon, he doesnt seem to trust his arm and ends up dumping it off or running. I'm not of the belief that his offensive line are the best pass protectors so he may be feeling pressure.

I'll go back to the Vince Young comparison, at a similar stage the conversation was pretty similar for both.

[eoffutt]

I think Jevan Snead is the most overrated QB going into this. I also believe Sam Bradford is receiving hate for NO reason.

My favorite has to be Colt McCoy, and no I dont like him just because he has a sexy sister.

i agree with everything you said about snead, and i think bradford is going out at the right time. if clausen, tebow or locker go before bradford and mccoy i'll be mad, and i think snead will stay for one more year hopefully due to his decline in numbers and stats this season over his sophomore year, and he will be drafted much higher after his senior year after a result. Bradford and Pike are the best prototype qb's in the draft, mccoy has a big enough arm and big enough size for the nfl also, he is just a pure winer like tebow.

[eoffutt]

I like Tebow as a wildcat QB for the beginning of his career, then 3-5 years down the road being able to be a starter. I really like him going to New England or Indianapolis and learning behind Manning or Brady, but still bringing in something different to the offence

ya or maybe carolina, they have such a good running game might as well throw in a wildcat qb who can replace delhomme in 2 or 3 years when he is ready to be a full fledged nfl qb, kinda how his first two years he was used more in the run game than the pass game.

[eoffutt]

This whole "wildcat" is getting blown out of proportion. There is only 1 team that runs it well and that is the Dolphins. They have Pat White so no need for Tebow. I hate when certain players are labled "wildcat quarterback" or "wildcat playmaker".

I do agree with you on him being a 2nd round prospect. He has some potential but he is a very risky player and I wouldn't spend my first rounder on a guy wno needs major development.

haha... what the hell are you talking about, it just a term to refer to an offense similar to what arkansas ran with darren mcfadden in his junior year... and as far as wildcat quarterbacks go, tim tebow is the prototype for the starting qb job in a wildcat offense, but that belongs to pat white if henne bolts in free agency when his contract is up.

[eoffutt]

You say he will be a first round pick, then you say to line him up at Tight End. Have you ever seen him catch a ball, or run a route? Is Tebow a first round pick at TE? Would you draft him over similarly sized teammate Aaron Hernandez?

If a team invests a first round pick in Tebow, it's going to be to put the ball in his hands every play, they're going to invest the time to develop him at QB and will have to make necessary adjustments with their offense and personnel.

well said, i donno why this guy calls himself the prophet but nothing he said made sense about tebow. it is not at all how he will be used, and he wont be a first round pick. nothing he does is worth a first round pick, just his ability to lead a team and pick apart a team in the spread defense cuz of his ability to power-run and scramble for first downs, kinda like alex smith did for urban meyer at utah.. hes a product of the system.

[Hurricanes25]

haha... what the hell are you talking about, it just a term to refer to an offense similar to what arkansas ran with darren mcfadden in his junior year... and as far as wildcat quarterbacks go, tim tebow is the prototype for the starting qb job in a wildcat offense, but that belongs to pat white if henne bolts in free agency when his contract is up.

What the hell are you talking about? This is not college. The Dolphins are the only team to run the wildcat sucessfully in the NFL. Tebow might be the "prototype" for the wildcat offense but he most likely won't be playing in the wildcat in the NFL. He will have to adapt to a pro-style offense to suceed in the NFL.

[Prophet]

well said, i donno why this guy calls himself the prophet but nothing he said made sense about tebow. it is not at all how he will be used, and he wont be a first round pick. nothing he does is worth a first round pick, just his ability to lead a team and pick apart a team in the spread defense cuz of his ability to power-run and scramble for first downs, kinda like alex smith did for urban meyer at utah.. hes a product of the system.

If it dosen't make sense then read it again.
There is a difference between where I would personally pick him and where I believe he will end up being picked.
Refer to my previous posts and it will explain why I wouldn't waste a first round pick on him
I believe more than one team is willing to waste their first pick on the guy.

[AC IS ART]

I like Jimmy Clausen alot. Only thing I don't like about his game is he doesn't work the middle of the field alot. Might just be the coaching or offensive scheme, but most of his throws are to the sidelines. Other then that I love his game and would love for the Skins to draft him.

[Nalej]

JC is the truth. With Weis out now- I doubt he stays in school.
A senior trying to learn a new system for his final year? Makes no sense.

[Babylon]

I like Jimmy Clausen alot. Only thing I don't like about his game is he doesn't work the middle of the field alot. Might just be the coaching or offensive scheme, but most of his throws are to the sidelines. Other then that I love his game and would love for the Skins to draft him.

He stopped working the middle of the field when Kyle Rudolph got hurt.

[FloridaSkinzFan]

I like Clausen as the #1 QB. As far as him not working the middle of the field, I think its more of a scheme thing to throw a lot of 10 yard curls to the sidelines and quick 10 and outs, Clausen is very accurate and good with his timing on these routes so it works well.

[adamprez2003]

not to take away from the discussion on first rounders but anyone think Jon Crompton from Tennessee might be worth a 7th rounder? Seems like Kiffin really settled him down and he seems like he would be an ideal backup QB, a smart game manager type.

[Prophet]

Crompton isn't worth a training camp tryout.

Jimmy Clausen is the truth. His mechanics, release and velocity are as good as it gets and he been well groomed on an NFL offense. The kid has received top notch coaching and tutelage for most of his life and he finally turned the page this season and cut out all the mistakes.
If you watch his film from earlier this season before Rudolph went down he worked the middle very well. And the scheme had a lot to do with it too.... when you have WRs like Tate and Floyd that can stretch the field your passing game will be primarialy vertical.
He is was a lock to go even if Weis had been retianed, but the coaching change just comfirms it.
I like him as the #1 guy.

[Staubach12]

Clausen is my #1. Has been for a while, he's having a fantastic season and showing a lot of growth and development.

[descendency]

Crompton isn't worth a training camp tryout

You're about 1.5 months behind time. Crompton is finally developing. I could see him at very worst getting training camp reps to alleviate the stress off the other QBs. There is a lot of untapped potential.

edit: If the team is deep enough, Colts, Saints, Patriots, etc. I could see Crompton as a 4th round pick.

Walter (who everyone scoffs at here) said this:
11/7/09: Jonathan Crompton has really improved recently, which shouldn't be a surprise because he has some real coaches for once. In the month of October, Cromption threw nine touchdowns and just two picks, and maintained a completion percentage of 56.1 and a YPA of 7.5. Crompton has the tools of an NFL quarterback, and it looks like he's finally putting everything together.

2/4/09: Disregard everything I said below. Jonathan Crompton is one of the worst quarterbacks I've ever seen on any level.

I think that's an indicator that he will in deed get drafted. Will he stick? No idea.

edit: Remember, this is a 6'4", 225 lb QB we are talking about. That's at least one thing that will be in his favor.

[JFLO]

I've finally decided to put Locker as my #1 guy due to the fact that his ceiling is much higher than Jimmy Clausens. Clausen is the obvious safer pick at this phase of the process, but I really don't think that Locker is that far behind him in terms of where there games are at at the college level.

Clausen is the type of player who may be able to start from Week 1 and be able to give you decent results, but Locker definitely has the more long term potential. I like his character more as well as his obvious athleticism.

On the aspect of Sam Bradford, I'm having a feeling that he is going to be a Top 10 pick in April, whether he is fully recovered or not. I doubt every team will run away from his deep learning curve so a team like Washington or Buffalo will make a run after him.

[descendency]

I like his character more as well as his obvious athleticism.

What is not to like about Clausen's character?

[Prophet]

Clausen is the type of player who may be able to start from Week 1 and be able to give you decent results, but Locker definitely has the more long term potential. I like his character more as well as his obvious athleticism.



If you compare the numbers this year its not even close.. Clausen wins by a country mile. I agree that Locker physical ability gives him a bigger upside, but i'd love to see him stay in school and have another year under Sark. He needs to shore up his mechanics b/c when the pressure comes he often lets it go off his back foot, and most scouts would think he is too quick to bail from the pocket. I really wonna see Locker suceed, he's a good kid.
Clausen's character is a huge question, he has always been a "me first" player but no one can question his talent.

[Dr.Acula]

Honestly I don't really see the character issues with Clausen that some people do. Being a ND fan I was kind of worried about that with the way he committed and came in, but ever since then especially this year he has been all about the team, playing through the injuries and what not. Besides getting punched in the eye he has never really had any big off the field issues either. He even flew out Tate, Floyd and Rudolph to Cali in the last offseason so the could work on timing and the the routes. I don't think any team should really worry about him being a distraction, selfish or anything along those lines.

[Babylon]

If you compare the numbers this year its not even close.. Clausen wins by a country mile. I agree that Locker physical ability gives him a bigger upside, but i'd love to see him stay in school and have another year under Sark. He needs to shore up his mechanics b/c when the pressure comes he often lets it go off his back foot, and most scouts would think he is too quick to bail from the pocket. I really wonna see Locker suceed, he's a good kid.
Clausen's character is a huge question, he has always been a "me first" player but no one can question his talent.

Locker's mechanics are fine, he throws off his back foot when a 300 lb lineman is in his face period. As for him bailing to run prematurely i think it's just the opposite, i wish he would take off more often. Totally agree a year under Sark would help but does it really matter if he's learning under Pro QB coaches or college QB coaches?

Talk here in Seattle is leaning to him going based on the lack of talent he plays with here and the injury factor with guys like Bradford and Gresham.

[49ers1984]

not to take away from the discussion on first rounders but anyone think Jon Crompton from Tennessee might be worth a 7th rounder? Seems like Kiffin really settled him down and he seems like he would be an ideal backup QB, a smart game manager type.

Sure he is doing better but that does not maek him a NFL Qb.

[adamprez2003]

You're about 1.5 months behind time. Crompton is finally developing. I could see him at very worst getting training camp reps to alleviate the stress off the other QBs. There is a lot of untapped potential.

edit: If the team is deep enough, Colts, Saints, Patriots, etc. I could see Crompton as a 4th round pick.

Walter (who everyone scoffs at here) said this:


I think that's an indicator that he will in deed get drafted. Will he stick? No idea.

edit: Remember, this is a 6'4", 225 lb QB we are talking about. That's at least one thing that will be in his favor. good to see others see the same ive seen lately from him. the guy wasnt even on my radar until the last month but he's played some very smart abd good ball in the last month. i think 4th is too high but a late round flyer seems like a decent bet, more so for a team that already has a starter and is only looking for a backup

[Prophet]

You're about 1.5 months behind time. Crompton is finally developing. I could see him at very worst getting training camp reps to alleviate the stress off the other QBs. There is a lot of untapped potential.

edit: If the team is deep enough, Colts, Saints, Patriots, etc. I could see Crompton as a 4th round pick.


Actually im rite on pace..... the only game I can remember seeing Crompton living up to his potentail was Memphis. Other than that he's looked awful to me and I couldn't imagine him being anything more than a training camp guy.
If you can actually see him going in the 4th round..... please put the drink down.
Every year theres plenty of guys with untapped potential. Refer to Kyle Wright, Anthony Morelli or Xavier Lee. All guys with big time size and "untapped talent" that couldn't stick.

[619]

Actually im rite on pace..... the only game I can remember seeing Crompton living up to his potentail was Memphis. Other than that he's looked awful to me and I couldn't imagine him being anything more than a training camp guy.
If you can actually see him going in the 4th round..... please put the drink down.
Every year theres plenty of guys with untapped potential. Refer to Kyle Wright, Anthony Morelli or Xavier Lee. All guys with big time size and "untapped talent" that couldn't stick.

You obviously didn't get to watch him at home against Georgia, that was his better game, imo. Memphis is in shambles, therefore they don't count.

This guy will be drafted.

[Prophet]

You obviously didn't get to watch him at home against Georgia, that was his better game, imo. Memphis is in shambles, therefore they don't count.

This guy will be drafted.

I didn't catch Georgia. And that was my point about Memphis, if you can only play lights out against a team in schambles that shows how good you are.
Oh, and if you watched the Dogs at all this year you'd know how terrible their pass D was. Carving up a D who just fired their entire staff for serious lack of performance dosen't make you a 4th round pick.

[DiG]

how high can canfields stock get by draft day?

he impressed me last night against oregon. his regular season completion % this year is an amazing 70%. and its not like hes played against poor competition. he put up some great numbers against a lot of good defenses. i know he had a rough sophmore year and missed some time junior year with injury but hes played his butt off this year and has to have turned some heads.

[ElectricEye]

I think he could be a good candidate for a second round pick. Could be a high one if Locker decides to stay. Really like his ball placement and arm strength. Hopefully he gets an invite to the Senior Bowl. Seems like a perfect candidate for that.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Actually im rite on pace..... the only game I can remember seeing Crompton living up to his potentail was Memphis. Other than that he's looked awful to me and I couldn't imagine him being anything more than a training camp guy.
If you can actually see him going in the 4th round..... please put the drink down.
Every year theres plenty of guys with untapped potential. Refer to Kyle Wright, Anthony Morelli or Xavier Lee. All guys with big time size and "untapped talent" that couldn't stick.

I love Xavier Lee, but the dude couldn't even beat out Drew freaking Weatherford, who may be the worst starting QB in FSU history. Crompton is much better than Lee.

[descendency]

Top 8 QBs (if everyone declares, in order):
Jimmy Clausen
Jake Locker
Sam Bradford
Ryan Mallett
(2nd round)
Tony Pike or Jevan Snead
then Snead or Pike
Tim Tebow
(3rd or later)
Johnathan Crompton
Colt McCoy
Tim Hiller

Missing anyone?

[FloridaSkinzFan]

Top 8 QBs (if everyone declares, in order):
Jimmy Clausen
Jake Locker
Sam Bradford
Ryan Mallett
(2nd round)
Tony Pike or Jevan Snead
then Snead or Pike
Tim Tebow
(3rd or later)
Johnathan Crompton
Colt McCoy
Tim Hiller

Missing anyone?

I see Colt Mccoy getting picked in 2nd round at worst. But if Mallett declares (which I dont think he will) then I could see it pushing the other QB's down the board.

[descendency]

After the Nebraska game, I have huge question marks about McCoy. He looked awful. That defense will be somewhere near the bottom level defense he'll play in the NFL. I've seen him as a career backup... because I think a large part of his game fits the gimmick offense he runs. However, I agree his ceiling is somewhere like that of drew brees who isn't exactly the most amazing QB prospect ever but has elite work ethic and elite mechanics, both of which can be developed if the player has elite drive/passion (at least given some fair parameters... you aren't going to turn warren sapp into joe montana).

But I think the more reasonable comparison is Alex Smith.

[FloridaSkinzFan]

Just a random comment on Mccoy, I would have LOL'd hard if he wouldn't have thrown the ball away fast enough to leave 1 second on the clock.

[Hurricanes25]

Top 8 QBs (if everyone declares, in order):
Jimmy Clausen
Jake Locker
Sam Bradford
Ryan Mallett
(2nd round)
Tony Pike or Jevan Snead
then Snead or Pike
Tim Tebow
(3rd or later)
Johnathan Crompton
Colt McCoy
Tim Hiller

Missing anyone?

Crompton over McCoy? I would like to hear an explanation for that.

[RealityCheck]

There will be 6 QBs in the 1st. I'm calling it. (Cleveland, Buffalo/St. Louis, Washington, Jacksonville, Seattle, Minnesota)

[FloridaSkinzFan]

There will be 6 QBs in the 1st. I'm calling it. (Cleveland, Buffalo/St. Louis, Washington, Jacksonville, Seattle, Minnesota)

ehh...I think depending if Locker and Mallett declare. I can see the bottom half of those teams (Jax, Sea, Minn) taking a QB like Pike or Mccoy in the 2nd. I dont think 6 QB's will be taken in round 1.

[RealityCheck]

ehh...I think depending if Locker and Mallett declare. I can see the bottom half of those teams (Jax, Sea, Minn) taking a QB like Pike or Mccoy in the 2nd. I dont think 6 QB's will be taken in round 1.
If Mallett declares, then this class is going to be some serious shizzle.

[descendency]

Crompton over McCoy? I would like to hear an explanation for that.

Prototypical size. Bigger arm. More potential. Pro-style offense. It's the same reason why people think Jake Locker could be #1 overall instead of Clausen or Bradford.

Believe it or not, Crompton has the potential there. Then again, I really don't like McCoy. I wouldn't argue swapping them though.

ehh...I think depending if Locker and Mallett declare. I can see the bottom half of those teams (Jax, Sea, Minn) taking a QB like Pike or Mccoy in the 2nd. I dont think 6 QB's will be taken in round 1.

In my opinion, Clausen, Bradford, Locker, and Mallett deserve first round grades, pike, snead , and maybe tebow deserve second round grades, and you have mccoy, crompton and hiller in rounds 3 and 4. I could see McCoy going up and Tebow going up as well, but I don't think it's because of talent. I wouldn't be entirely shocked if Colt McCoy went in round 1. The NFL does stupid stuff like that some times.

[Prophet]

Believe it or not, Crompton has the potential there. Then again, I really don't like McCoy. I wouldn't argue swapping them though.

You must be dreaming.
While I doubt McCoy willl have success in the league, he will at least get drafted and perhaps stick for a few years.
Crompton will be a training camp guy. He might get on a practice roster but it won't be for long. Hope he likes ball in Canada.... my advice is dress warm.

[RealityCheck]

You must be dreaming.
While I doubt McCoy willl have success in the league, he will at least get drafted and perhaps stick for a few years.
Crompton will be a training camp guy. He might get on a practice roster but it won't be for long. Hope he likes ball in Canada.... my advice is dress warm.
CFL is past, UFL is the future.

[descendency]

You must be dreaming.
While I doubt McCoy willl have success in the league, he will at least get drafted and perhaps stick for a few years.
Crompton will be a training camp guy. He might get on a practice roster but it won't be for long. Hope he likes ball in Canada.... my advice is dress warm.

I'll take that bet. Both will be drafted. If you think not, then I don't know what to say. Crompton may be a 7th round pick for all I know. But if I were a GM, I would make sure I at least work him out to see if he could play in my system. Because of when his development has taken place (he was the #3 QB coming out in 2005), that being recently, I think you have to think of him as a backup (training camp guy = trying out to be a backup. Being drafted in round 2-7 doesn't guarantee anything, only first round picks get extra time because of their guaranteed money).

[princefielder28]

I see Colt Mccoy getting picked in 2nd round at worst. But if Mallett declares (which I dont think he will) then I could see it pushing the other QB's down the board.

While you think McCoy will be picked in the 2nd round at worst, i think he's picked in the second round at best. While he's statistically a very accurate QB, he doesn't have the ability to stretch the defense with a big arm and he struggles to throw the deep ball. He reminds me alot of Jeff Garcia.

[descendency]

While you think McCoy will be picked in the 2nd round at worst, i think he's picked in the second round at best. While he's statistically a very accurate QB, he doesn't have the ability to stretch the defense with a big arm and he struggles to throw the deep ball. He reminds me alot of Jeff Garcia.

That's his biggest problem. When he's actually forced to throw deep against good defenses, he falls flat on his face. If a team can contain him to the pocket and press at the line of scrimmage (much like the Steelers did to the Broncos), then he falls flat on his face. He has decent deep ball accuracy for a few throws, but that's about it. He lacks the zip or arm strength to consistently make those throws, which was evident from the Nebraska game.

While it was "one game", it was also the only game he played a legitimate defense.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I'm a Vols fan and even I will feel sorry for the poor blokes that draft Crompton expecting anything more than camp fodder.

[princefielder28]

I'm a Vols fan and even I will feel sorry for the poor blokes that draft Crompton expecting anything more than camp fodder.

The senior class for QBs is so bad that people are looking for "sleepers" to get all over when in reality in the player will be lucky to make it out of camp in the summer.

[descendency]

I'm a Vols fan and even I will feel sorry for the poor blokes that draft Crompton expecting anything more than camp fodder.

When you are drafting past round (and even into) 3, you shouldn't expect anything. That's why a lot of people take random D3 players and stuff. They are just grabbing at anything.

[Prophet]

I'll take that bet. Both will be drafted. If you think not, then I don't know what to say. Crompton may be a 7th round pick for all I know. But if I were a GM, I would make sure I at least work him out to see if he could play in my system. Because of when his development has taken place (he was the #3 QB coming out in 2005), that being recently, I think you have to think of him as a backup (training camp guy = trying out to be a backup. Being drafted in round 2-7 doesn't guarantee anything, only first round picks get extra time because of their guaranteed money).

Refer to some of my previous posts. Kyle Wright was the #1 guy in 03, Anthony Morelli and Xavier Lee were top 5 guys in 04. Mitch Mustain was the #1 guy in 06. All guys with big time size and physical potential. Hell, Wright and Morelli's pro day/combine performances made people question why they were rated so low. They all performed like garbage in college (like Crompton) and and all were nothing more than training camp cuts.

[Prophet]

When you are drafting past round (and even into) 3, you shouldn't expect anything. That's why a lot of people take random D3 players and stuff. They are just grabbing at anything.

Ignorant.
There is a huge difference between being a 3rd rounder and 7th or UDFA.

[RealityCheck]

Crompton goes 6th-7th imo.

[Unbiased]

When you are drafting past round (and even into) 3, you shouldn't expect anything. That's why a lot of people take random D3 players and stuff. They are just grabbing at anything.

That's ignorant. GMs and scouts trust their scouting.

The Jags made two 3rd round selections this year. Both were from small schools and both have started the entire season and are playing great.

Our GM didn't just "grab at anything."

[JFLO]

Rumors are circulating that Tebow is going to split some time as a fullback while in Mobile for the Senior Bowl.

Pretty much expected, but noteworthy nonetheless.

[CC.SD]

Rumors are circulating that Tebow is going to split some time as a fullback while in Mobile for the Senior Bowl.

Pretty much expected, but noteworthy nonetheless.

Not to mention a little sad.

[Babylon]

Rumors are circulating that Tebow is going to split some time as a fullback while in Mobile for the Senior Bowl.

Pretty much expected, but noteworthy nonetheless.

I can see the argument for Tebow being a FB much louder than the argument for Gerhart being a FB.

[CC.SD]

I can see the argument for Tebow being a FB much louder than the argument for Gerhart being a FB.

I think I agree with you. Tebow's windup puts Byron Leftwich to sleep and comes with a bizarre leg kick. He's going to need some serious retraining time if a team gives him a QB shot.

[Babylon]

I think I agree with you. Tebow's windup puts Byron Leftwich to sleep and comes with a bizarre leg kick. He's going to need some serious retraining time if a team gives him a QB shot.

I wonder how much of it can be corrected. I would say that most QBs out of college have some imperfections in their delivery. Probably as big a problem is the lack of zip on the ball. Having said all that didnt we say all the same things about Vince Young?

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Having said all that didnt we say all the same things about Vince Young?

I don't know, did we? Young had a sidearm delivery, but put great touch on the ball and got rid of it really quickly. It wasn't (and still isn't) pretty, but I didn't hear many convincing arguments that it wouldn't be effective.

[CC.SD]

I wonder how much of it can be corrected. I would say that most QBs out of college have some imperfections in their delivery. Probably as big a problem is the lack of zip on the ball. Having said all that didnt we say all the same things about Vince Young?

Vince Young definitely had some delivery flaws but nothing this bad. I'd like to see Tebow succeed because I don't want the Jaguars to move to LA (did you see what I did there...) but at this point it's probably good that he's willing to flex around to different positions.

[Babylon]

I don't know, did we? Young had a sidearm delivery, but put great touch on the ball and got rid of it really quickly. It wasn't (and still isn't) pretty, but I didn't hear many convincing arguments that it wouldn't be effective.

Seems to me the Vince Young detractors were even around during the first 6 games of this season.

[Cigaro]

Jerrod Johnson looking good. Got a feeling that if performs well in the Combine, he'll be a first round quarterback at some point.

[JDR2882]

Jerrod Johnson reminds me of Jason Campbell when he was coming out of Auburn.

[Babylon]

Jevan Snead supposedly thinking of coming out. Better have one heck of a combine to rehab that season he had this year.

Totally off topic but Riley Cooper seemingly will give up baseball for the pigskin.

[JDR2882]

Excited to see Jacory Harris tonight. He is an exciting player to watch and is a pretty good prospect.

What are everyones thoughts on Harris? Big-time NFL potential or does does his thin frame hold him back? Top 10 pick or late first rounder?

[TACKLE]

Excited to see Jacory Harris tonight. He is an exciting player to watch and is a pretty good prospect.

What are everyones thoughts on Harris? Big-time NFL potential or does does his thin frame hold him back? Top 10 pick or late first rounder?

It's really tough to say at this point. Although he has been very good this year he has a LONG way to go. His decision making is inconsistent though he is definitely money when the game is on the line. He's still young and raw. Let's see where he is as a prospect in two years.

[Nard_Dog]

Jevan Snead supposedly thinking of coming out. Better have one heck of a combine to rehab that season he had this year.

Totally off topic but Riley Cooper seemingly will give up baseball for the pigskin.

Snead probably doesn't want to risk his stock more by going back to Ole Miss. Best Situation for him is if he went to a team were he can sit and learn the system.

[RealityCheck]

Snead should go if Mallett stays, or vice versa.

[TT Gator]

I think this is the year of the overrated QBs. Bradford, Tebow, and McCoy are all crazy overrated. Tebow has all the intangibles you could ever want in a QB but it'll be at least 2 years untill he can run a pro-style offence and fix his mechanics. McCoy is a product of a gimmick system. He has no arm strength, makes no reads, and only has average everything else. Anyone who wonders how he'll do againest NFL defences should watch the Big 12 Championship game. Bradford is the best prototypical passer of the 3 but there are serious questions about his toughness, durability, whether he was simply a product of a QB system, and whether he has the arm strength to make all the throws. Ironicly the best QB in the Draft gets no respect and that QB is Jimmy Clausen. He has the size, the arm strength, the accuracy, the leadership ability, and above all else he played in a pro-style offence. I mean he threw for 3,722 yards, had a 8.0 YPA, 28 TDs with just 7 INTs, and maintained a completiton percentage of 68%. There are starting QBs in the NFL who won't match his yardage and TDs even with 4 extra games! Anyone who doubts he has what it takes should go to this walterfootball.com link http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php. In it Matt McGuire compares Clausen's Junior season to other QBs who ended up going early in the NFL Draft(and many of them are now stars). This includes the Mannings, Matt Stafford, Big Ben, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Ryan. In the 5 categories Clausen was 1st in 4 of the categories and 2nd in the other. The one he place 2nd in was YPA where Stafford beat him out by just .2 yards. Yes that means he beat out Peyton in his Junior season in every single category. It's a shame that people are biased towards him just cuz he went to Notre Dame. If he went to USC or a SEC team people would love him. I mean Todd McShay actually has the gonads to say he's a 2nd round pick...yeah just keep telling yourself your not biased Todd. He even said on Sportscenter that he didn't like Clausen so he put him late 1st. I didn't like DHB but I put him at #7 overall last year cuz I know Al Davis. Whether or not you agree Clausen won't fall outta the Top 15 simply cuz there aren't many top QBs in the Draft but that just goes to show the bias againest him. If Ryan Mallet declares I think he has a good shot of going Top 25 maybe Top 10 if Al Davis is looking for a QB. He's still raw but no one can doubt his pure talent. A team like Minnesota may steal him at the end of Round 1.

[ULT]

Clausen is overrated. 6'1 is not good size at all, he has average arm strength with a sidearm/shotput release. No way is this guy worth 35+million guaranteed. No freakin' way!

[49ers1984]

Snead probably doesn't want to risk his stock more by going back to Ole Miss. Best Situation for him is if he went to a team were he can sit and learn the system.

Right now he probably would not be drafted so going back would only be good for him.

[Sniper]

Clausen is overrated. 6'1 is not good size at all, he has average arm strength with a sidearm/shotput release. No way is this guy worth 35+million guaranteed. No freakin' way!

He's 6'3".

[Babylon]

He's 6'3".

Doesnt throw sidearm, has a good arm......

[Razor]

Clausen is overrated. 6'1 is not good size at all, he has average arm strength with a sidearm/shotput release. No way is this guy worth 35+million guaranteed. No freakin' way!

Drew Brees is 6'0. He's done... well, OK in this league I guess.. :)

[princefielder28]

Drew Brees is 6'0. He's done... well, OK in this league I guess.. :)

regardless of Clausen's size, i hate when people bring up Drew Brees when talking about QBs with size concerns...Brees is the exception, not the rule

[Razor]

regardless of Clausen's size, i hate when people bring up Drew Brees when talking about QBs with size concerns...Brees is the exception, not the rule

I agree. I wouldn't want my favorite team to draft a 6'1 og 6'0 QB for the future. But this fixation on size when evaluating prospects has just reached a level where Iøm not quite following it. Yes, size matters. But if everything else is great, I'd take a chance on greatness.

[RealityCheck]

Doesnt throw sidearm, has a good arm......
Doesn't cry :rolleyes:

[Babylon]

Doesn't cry :rolleyes:

Good one but i will say if crying means you win 95% of the time give me the guy that crys.

[619]

Jerrod Johnson looking good. Got a feeling that if performs well in the Combine, he'll be a first round quarterback at some point.

If he declares this would be the QB I would target for the Raiders if I wanted to address our new QBotF this offseason. Sit him for a year or two and you could have a stud at the next level for quite a long time. Very underrated athletic ability as well. We would probably have to trade up into the 20s to have a chance I would assume.

[Babylon]

If he declares this would be the QB I would target for the Raiders if I wanted to address our new QBotF this offseason. Sit him for a year or two and you could have a stud at the next level for quite a long time. Very underrated athletic ability as well. We would probably have to trade up into the 20s to have a chance I would assume.

I think this year he would be behind: Clausen, Mallett, Bradford, Tebow and Snead (maybe McCoy and Pike). He needs to stay in school. If Oakland wants him being available isnt a problem.

[JDR2882]

Snead has looked very shaky so far. Missed 2 wide open shots down field, then threw high over the middle for Shay Hodge and then got decleated attempting to make a tackle.

[gpngc]

Snead has looked very shaky so far. Missed 2 wide open shots down field, then threw high over the middle for Shay Hodge and then got decleated attempting to make a tackle.

Snead has not shown that he's an NFL quality QB this season at all. He'll need to make huge strides next year if he even wants to think about the third round of the draft.

He's got tools, but his decision-making and mental makeup are not NFL caliber at this time.

I like this freshman Stanley so far, watch him become the next overhyped youngster in the same way Snead was.

[brasho]

I've read in other places where bloggers believe Tony Pike hurt himself last night, I beg to differ. Pike certainly helped his performance. His team was physcially and schematically overmatched but he still stood strong in the pocket, fit the ball into tight windows, made excellent decisions, showed pretty good athleticism, escapability, and the ability to throw on the run... I am far more impressed with Pike now than before and can see him being a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. People slammed Roethlisberger too when he and his terrible college team were manhandled by Iowa, not noting the talent descrepancy between the two teams.

Tebow, on the other hand, certainly didn't hurt himself, but no matter what he did in this game, he wasn't going to convince scouts that his throwing motion would work in the NFL. He will have to change his throwing motion and he will have to learn how to dropback, and work on his footwork in the pocket. This is a guy that made few multiple receiver reads in college, he will be a major project for whomever that takes him.

I do think that Tebow has the work ethic, character, and leadership skills to eventually work himself into a solid NFL QB... but that may be 3-4 years down the road before he even resembles a real QB. His arm is strong enough, he has good size, good speed (but poor feet in the pocket) but his best attribute is his work ethic, which along with accuracy is the most important things a QB can have.

I like Bradford and Clausen as Manning/Rivers-type hardworking and accurate leaders that won't wow with physical tools but through hardwork and dedication have a shot at being pro bowl players.

Colt McCoy might be another one of those hardworking types, but he has so many physical drawbacks that it will be tougher than the others to succeed. He certainly has pretty good speed, but his footwork needs a ton of work. From a running a pro offense and reading a defense standpoint, McCoy is as vastly undertrained as Tebow. Where Tebow lacks an NFL release, McCoy lacks arm strength and size. Both prospects need to go to teams that are willing to spend time teaching them better mechanics, the NFL-style, and be very patient. McCoy has decent long-range potential as a backup or serviceable starter in the mold of Jeff Garcia or Tyler Thigpen.

Jevan Snead might need to come out this season for the same reason Steve Slayton came out of WVU early, because he might not be the starter next season. Just as Noel Devine was going to beat out Slayton, Snead's backup might be the starting QB next season. Snead needs to come out. Don't be surprised if he doesn't get drafted before round 4... his lack of accuracy and hot and cold performances are reminescent of Rex Grossman.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ryan Mallet in his bowl game. I usually avoid Bobby Petrino QBs like the plague after watching (and correctly predicting) the Brian Brohm hype and failure of a few years ago. I've mostly seen highlights this season so this would be my first time getting a chance to really examine where he is as a QB prospect. Of course, playing in Petrino's offense won't make it easy.

I hope Dan LeFevour gets an invite to the Senior Bowl, I would really like to see how he compares to other large-school prospects. He doesn't operate an NFL offense either, but he seems like a northern small school version of Tebow (without the windup delivery).

A guy that I had written off earlier in the season that was impressive the other day was Daryll Clark. Clark clearly has his deficiencies, but he is tough, throws better than I originally thought, and I realized one of the reasons I don't take him seriously as a QB is because he looks like a FB. I hope he also gets a Senior Bowl shot, though I have a feeling he may ending up disappointing head to head with other QBs.

[ThePudge]

I've read in other places where bloggers believe Tony Pike hurt himself last night, I beg to differ. Pike certainly helped his performance. His team was physcially and schematically overmatched but he still stood strong in the pocket, fit the ball into tight windows, made excellent decisions, showed pretty good athleticism, escapability, and the ability to throw on the run... I am far more impressed with Pike now than before and can see him being a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. People slammed Roethlisberger too when he and his terrible college team were manhandled by Iowa, not noting the talent descrepancy between the two teams.

Tebow, on the other hand, certainly didn't hurt himself, but no matter what he did in this game, he wasn't going to convince scouts that his throwing motion would work in the NFL. He will have to change his throwing motion and he will have to learn how to dropback, and work on his footwork in the pocket. This is a guy that made few multiple receiver reads in college, he will be a major project for whomever that takes him.

I do think that Tebow has the work ethic, character, and leadership skills to eventually work himself into a solid NFL QB... but that may be 3-4 years down the road before he even resembles a real QB. His arm is strong enough, he has good size, good speed (but poor feet in the pocket) but his best attribute is his work ethic, which along with accuracy is the most important things a QB can have.

I like Bradford and Clausen as Manning/Rivers-type hardworking and accurate leaders that won't wow with physical tools but through hardwork and dedication have a shot at being pro bowl players.

Colt McCoy might be another one of those hardworking types, but he has so many physical drawbacks that it will be tougher than the others to succeed. He certainly has pretty good speed, but his footwork needs a ton of work. From a running a pro offense and reading a defense standpoint, McCoy is as vastly undertrained as Tebow. Where Tebow lacks an NFL release, McCoy lacks arm strength and size. Both prospects need to go to teams that are willing to spend time teaching them better mechanics, the NFL-style, and be very patient. McCoy has decent long-range potential as a backup or serviceable starter in the mold of Jeff Garcia or Tyler Thigpen.

Jevan Snead might need to come out this season for the same reason Steve Slayton came out of WVU early, because he might not be the starter next season. Just as Noel Devine was going to beat out Slayton, Snead's backup might be the starting QB next season. Snead needs to come out. Don't be surprised if he doesn't get drafted before round 4... his lack of accuracy and hot and cold performances are reminescent of Rex Grossman.

I'm looking forward to seeing Ryan Mallet in his bowl game. I usually avoid Bobby Petrino QBs like the plague after watching (and correctly predicting) the Brian Brohm hype and failure of a few years ago. I've mostly seen highlights this season so this would be my first time getting a chance to really examine where he is as a QB prospect. Of course, playing in Petrino's offense won't make it easy.

I hope Dan LeFevour gets an invite to the Senior Bowl, I would really like to see how he compares to other large-school prospects. He doesn't operate an NFL offense either, but he seems like a northern small school version of Tebow (without the windup delivery).

A guy that I had written off earlier in the season that was impressive the other day was Daryll Clark. Clark clearly has his deficiencies, but he is tough, throws better than I originally thought, and I realized one of the reasons I don't take him seriously as a QB is because he looks like a FB. I hope he also gets a Senior Bowl shot, though I have a feeling he may ending up disappointing head to head with other QBs.

This is a very good post. You have your opinions and that's great, as it's nice to see someone able to look at the bigger picture for a number of players and get it all across in one, well organized, post. That's not to say that I agree with all of your analysis, I simply like when people really put something behind their post.

A couple random comments..

- Jevan Snead compares to Rex Grossman, the pro, not Grossman the college player and prospect. Just a distinction I'd make.

- Much of what Ryan Mallett does transcends scheme. If this is the first chance you've gotten to see him, then watch closely, because he isn't too highly discussed now... but absolutely could be on top of some QB rankings if he declares. ECU likes to mix things up downfield, and that's exactly where Mallett likes to attack. We'll see if he can do a better job today throwing with touch on short to intermediate routes, rather than gunning everything. Definitely a player though.... Most around here know that I'm one of the biggest Mallett supporters and a radical in that sense. You better believe I'll be scrutinizing his every throw once again.

[Babylon]

This is a very good post. You have your opinions and that's great, as it's nice to see someone able to look at the bigger picture for a number of players and get it all across in one, well organized, post. That's not to say that I agree with all of your analysis, I simply like when people really put something behind their post.

A couple random comments..

- Jevan Snead compares to Rex Grossman, the pro, not Grossman the college player and prospect. Just a distinction I'd make.

- Much of what Ryan Mallett does transcends scheme. If this is the first chance you've gotten to see him, then watch closely, because he isn't too highly discussed now... but absolutely could be on top of some QB rankings if he declares. ECU likes to mix things up downfield, and that's exactly where Mallett likes to attack. We'll see if he can do a better job today throwing with touch on short to intermediate routes, rather than gunning everything. Definitely a player though.... Most around here know that I'm one of the biggest Mallett supporters and a radical in that sense. You better believe I'll be scrutinizing his every throw once again.

You're kidding.:) And we'll be watching closely too.