Draft Discussion - Quarterbacks

[ThePudge]

You're kidding.:) And we'll be watching closely too.

You're running the Locker campaign, and I'm on board the Mallett train.

Glad the coverage mentioned Ryan Mallett's footwork as a cause for concern and an area that could use some improvement and consistency. That, along with his touch on short throws, and his throws moving to the left are the biggest obstacles he must climb as a player. What he's been given by God though is nearly unrivaled in football. That arm is unreal, surprising accuracy on intermediate to deep routes, and as I've said before he has some innate QB skills. Physically he's a freak, mechanically he's good, and intangibly he's very underrated. His mechanics (due to that footwork/touch) would be most open for improvement, though his actual throwing mechanics are excellent.

I like him more as an NFL prospect than I did JaMarcus Russell, my 2nd rated QB in 2007 and the #1 Overall pick.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

So will Snead's performance today mean that he will be back at Ole Miss next fall? It sucks that his stock has taken such a tremendous hit this fall. I really liked him as a prospect. Hopefully he can rebound next year and get himself back into the top rounds of the draft.

[Babylon]

If i'm an NFL team i would want Mallett to return for another year at Arkansas. Having said that i wonder what it would do for his stock.The guy can make all the throws, has good vision, decent footwork......he's never going to be a scrambling QB but i could see the potential of a Tom Brady down the road. If he comes out this year he isnt getting past the top 10 in my opinion. His supporting cast is average and it will be average next year. I support any players decision but there is an opportunity there for him.

[619]

If i'm an NFL team i would want Mallett to return for another year at Arkansas. Having said that i wonder what it would do for his stock.The guy can make all the throws, has good vision, decent footwork......he's never going to be a scrambling QB but i could see the potential of a Tom Brady down the road. If he comes out this year he isnt getting past the top 10 in my opinion. His supporting cast is average and it will be average next year. I support any players decision but there is an opportunity there for him.

Explain to me what you mean by this, just to clarify things.

[nepg]

If I'm a team in the bottom half of round 1 and need a QB, Mallett is the ideal prospect, imo. If he goes back to college, he's a Top half of the first round guy. As scuzzy as Petrino is, he's a damn good coach. Mallett's going to see huge improvements if he goes back to Arkansas.

As to whether or not he should come out... I think he's a first rounder either way, and if you're going to be drafted in the first, you should declare, imo.

[ThePudge]

Explain to me what you mean by this, just to clarify things.

I think he means similar in the sense of limited mobility, but can still be effective that way.

[brasho]

This is a very good post. You have your opinions and that's great, as it's nice to see someone able to look at the bigger picture for a number of players and get it all across in one, well organized, post. That's not to say that I agree with all of your analysis, I simply like when people really put something behind their post.

A couple random comments..

- Jevan Snead compares to Rex Grossman, the pro, not Grossman the college player and prospect. Just a distinction I'd make.

- Much of what Ryan Mallett does transcends scheme. If this is the first chance you've gotten to see him, then watch closely, because he isn't too highly discussed now... but absolutely could be on top of some QB rankings if he declares. ECU likes to mix things up downfield, and that's exactly where Mallett likes to attack. We'll see if he can do a better job today throwing with touch on short to intermediate routes, rather than gunning everything. Definitely a player though.... Most around here know that I'm one of the biggest Mallett supporters and a radical in that sense. You better believe I'll be scrutinizing his every throw once again.

Yes, I meant Grossman the pro. If Snead thinks he will still have the QB position next season then he needs to come back because he looks like a 5th-7th round pick right now.

I'm rewatching the Arkansas game now and I've read some posts here and on CFT.com with people slamming Mallett saying he needs another year of experience and I don't agree with them. I think Mallett missed on something like 20 of 36 throws but out of those incompletions I only counted a few misfires as the rest were either drops or throw-aways. There was gigantic number of drops that killed drives or would have been touchdowns. I am amazed by the number of drops Mallett's receivers had.

Rather than going back for more experience, what he really needs is receivers that won't drop every other pass. Mallett started the game 2-6 and all 4 incompletions were drops. His receivers didn't fare much better the rest of the way. I thought he showed excellent arm strength, accuracy, ability to fit the ball into tight places (then usually dropped) and better than advertised athleticism. I did notice he threw the ball a tad high on a number of occasions (his receivers seem to be able to catch high passes but nothing else).

As far as how he stacks up compared to the other QBs, just off this one game I would definitely put him up there. There's obviously questions about all the top guys and Mallett having one year of starting experience is obviously his.


How my top 5 guys compare (two will be staying in college):

Jimmy Clausen:
P=Accuracy, quick release, familiar with NFL-style offense, intelligence, hardworker, good footwork in pocket, decent mobility.
N=Fairly average size, only slightly above average arm.

Sam Bradford
P=intelligence, accurracy, size, decent feet in pocket, leadership
N=injury concerns over shoulder might effect already average arm, below average mobility, didn't operate under OC very often and will need work on footwork, setups and reading defenses

Jake Locker-staying in school
P=Arm strength, size, speed and mobility, staying in school (he needed it!)
N=A one year wonder? One year in a prostyle offense. Was very streaky with accuracy and often relied heavily on physical traits to make plays. I think if he was guaranteed a chance to be a top-10 pick he should have come out but I think the prospect he compares most closely to is Akili Smith, another QB with limited experience, one great season and great physical qualities.

Ryan Mallett
P=Size, arm strength, has a very compact and quick release (starts at his ear, dips to his neck and right back over the top) for how tall he is, has better footspeed and quickness than one would think, does not rattle (didn't complain or point fingers when none of his teammates could catch a pass). Will try to fit passes into tight spots and can get it there. Stands tall in pocket.
N=Experience, only one year as starter, extremely thin, inconsistent footwork, playing in a Petrino offense, low completion % (which may be more a result of his terrible receivers than his inability to be accurate).

Andrew Luck
P=Extremely smart, always seems to know where to go with the ball, senses pressure and usually makes defenses pay for the blitz, good size, good athleticism, plays in pro style offense, can be very accurrate, NFL pedigree
N=Only a redshirt freshman and played with the #2 Heisman trophy candidate, had a couple forgettable and streaky performances where he looked nothing like he had in previous games (Cal, Notre Dame)

All in all, I think Mallett would be better served coming out this season and sitting on an NFL bench for half a season rather than come back to Arkansas and play for Petrino and a below average cast of pass droppers. He would learn more watching in the NFL than he would playing for Petrino plus he wouldn't be able to hurt his stock by getting hurt (he'd already be in the league).

[brasho]

I think he means similar in the sense of limited mobility, but can still be effective that way.

I agree, I think Mallett resembles Brady in the way he stands tall back in the pocket and looks like he's throwing darts. Both guys are very impressive in the intermediate passing zones (Brady is also deadly in the short zone) and both players have more mobility and athleticism than you would expect.

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Ryan Mallett
P=Size, arm strength, has a very compact and quick release (starts at his ear, dips to his neck and right back over the top) for how tall he is, has better footspeed and quickness than one would think, does not rattle (didn't complain or point fingers when none of his teammates could catch a pass). Will try to fit passes into tight spots and can get it there. Stands tall in pocket.
N=Experience, only one year as starter, extremely thin, inconsistent footwork, playing in a Petrino offense, low completion % (which may be more a result of his terrible receivers than his inability to be accurate).


Mallett did play as a true freshmen at Michigan back in 2007. He made 3 starts and played in 10 games. He threw for 892 yards completing 61 of 141 passes with 7 TDs and 5 INTs.

So this may be his first year as a fulltime starter, but he has 16 career starts and has experience in 23 games.

This makes me wonder if he could have a rise like Mark Sanchez did. People seemed to get all over Sanchez for his lack of starting experience while at USC. Sanchez also made 16 career starts while at USC, just as many as Mallett. Sanchez was probably better prepared due to USC pro-style offense, but his vast disposal of offensive weapons easily trumps what Mallett has at Arkansas.

I am on the Mallett bandwagon, and I really don't see why he can't go in the upper half of Round 1. The potential is limitless with Mallett. If teams were willing to gamble on guys like Patrick Ramsey, JP Losman, Rex Grossman, and Jason Campbell as first round guys, then someone will definitely take a gamble on Mallett in Round 1.

Would a fair comparison for Mallett by Joe Flacco?

[Babylon]

I agree, I think Mallett resembles Brady in the way he stands tall back in the pocket and looks like he's throwing darts. Both guys are very impressive in the intermediate passing zones (Brady is also deadly in the short zone) and both players have more mobility and athleticism than you would expect.

^
What he said.


Also your comparison of Locker to Akili Smith is interesting. Locker goes through his progressions better is physically a lot stronger and believe it or not a lot quicker. Smith passed for a ton of yards at Oregon but didnt always have it upstairs to be successful. compare him to Ryan Leaf, that would work for me.

[ThePudge]

Would a fair comparison for Mallett by Joe Flacco?

It's fair to compare Mallett to Flacco, though I think Flacco had the more nimble feet and overall smoother footwork, but Mallett generally speaking is even more gifted, capable of making throws the college Joe Flacco didn't and probably still couldn't. What separates them as prospects also is the competition at which they played. Despite one of the best college football players of all time in conference, Ryan Mallett was the best QB in the SEC by a good margin with certainly the most pro-friendly game.

I can't find a great comparison for Ryan Mallett, as I think one day people will be comparing other prospects to him. In that sense, he's a unique player and NFL prospect.

To brasho, bravo on another very good post. I have one gripe with your Mallett assessment, and it's minor. He did get plenty of time at high competition as a freshman in Michigan, but I would agree his experience isn't on par with a typical Top 10 prospect at QB. Now, the gripe would be the extremely thin part. Mallett stands 6'6 1/2 238 (235 if we round down) and has been weighed during the offseason at almost 265 pounds. His coach, Bobby Petrino, challenged him to lose some of the weight, get down to a leaner, more mobile 235-240. That said, I wouldn't be overly concerned with his weight, as he looked more natural at 265 than most would because of his height, and he wasn't gorging himself, it was just his playing weight until Bobby Petrino urged him to lose some weight to improve his footwork.

I am not certain, but that 30 pound drop likely left him with a lot of adjusting to do with his footwork in and outside the pocket, so I actually find it forgivable and very correctable in that sense. He's improved vastly in that area from the beginning of the season, and now routinely makes plays stepping up in the pocket and getting out, evading a rush, and throwing on the move.

For those of you who saw him last night and made comments... isn't it absolutely outrageous how many balls those receivers drop? At first it was a little Mallett, putting extra mustard on the ball at times... but lately, as the weather gets colder, and Ryan gets better and better each game, it's hard not to blame the guys that are supposed to be catching the ball. One can fairly assume this won't plague him in the pros, and that said, he could've put up staggering numbers this year.

I have him firmly in my Top 10 and and my #1 rated QB if he is to declare.

[Babylon]

It's fair to compare Mallett to Flacco, though I think Flacco had the more nimble feet and overall smoother footwork, but Mallett generally speaking is even more gifted, capable of making throws the college Joe Flacco didn't and probably still couldn't. What separates them as prospects also is the competition at which they played. Despite one of the best college football players of all time in conference, Ryan Mallett was the best QB in the SEC by a good margin with certainly the most pro-friendly game.

I can't find a great comparison for Ryan Mallett, as I think one day people will be comparing other prospects to him. In that sense, he's a unique player and NFL prospect.

To brasho, bravo on another very good post. I have one gripe with your Mallett assessment, and it's minor. He did get plenty of time at high competition as a freshman in Michigan, but I would agree his experience isn't on par with a typical Top 10 prospect at QB. Now, the gripe would be the extremely thin part. Mallett stands 6'6 1/2 238 (235 if we round down) and has been weighed during the offseason at almost 265 pounds. His coach, Bobby Petrino, challenged him to lose some of the weight, get down to a leaner, more mobile 235-240. That said, I wouldn't be overly concerned with his weight, as he looked more natural at 265 than most would because of his height, and he wasn't gorging himself, it was just his playing weight until Bobby Petrino urged him to lose some weight to improve his footwork.

I am not certain, but that 30 pound drop likely left him with a lot of adjusting to do with his footwork in and outside the pocket, so I actually find it forgivable and very correctable in that sense. He's improved vastly in that area from the beginning of the season, and now routinely makes plays stepping up in the pocket and getting out, evading a rush, and throwing on the move.

For those of you who saw him last night and made comments... isn't it absolutely outrageous how many balls those receivers drop? At first it was a little Mallett, putting extra mustard on the ball at times... but lately, as the weather gets colder, and Ryan gets better and better each game, it's hard not to blame the guys that are supposed to be catching the ball. One can fairly assume this won't plague him in the pros, and that said, he could've put up staggering numbers this year.

I have him firmly in my Top 10 and and my #1 rated QB if he is to declare.

Or how many bad routes guys run. That is why just pointing to someone's completion % doesnt tell the whole story.

[WCH]

I lived in Ann Arbor when Rich Rod. was hired and Mallett transferred, and the fans were pissed that Michigan hired a coach that everybody knew Mallett wouldn't play for. And the coach was a proven winner at that point in time. THAT is how talented the guy is. Fans would take a raw freshman who didn't play incredibly well, over a coach who significantly and dramatically overachieved at lowly WVU (this was the perception at the time). With that said...

I think that he needs more time, but I don't think that going back to Arkansas is the best move. I think that coming out now and going in the bottom half of round one would be ideal. I think that you want him to go to a playoff team, that already has a good QB who he can sit behind for a couple of seasons. When you look at the success of Rivers and Rodgers, I think that there's a lot to be said for young QBs riding the pine for a couple of years. Imagine a scenario where he sits behind Drew Brees or Peyton Manning for three years, and then the team does the Joe-Montana-to-KC thing to their starting QB, and hands the offense over to Mallett.

I know that it sounds crazy that a team would do something like this, but Brett Favre spent the 2000's explaining his paranoia-fueled consecutive-starts-streak to the Green Bay media by pointing out: "If it can happen to Joe Montana, then it can happen to anybody."

[jtcharger24]

I think this is the year of the overrated QBs. Bradford, Tebow, and McCoy are all crazy overrated. Tebow has all the intangibles you could ever want in a QB but it'll be at least 2 years untill he can run a pro-style offence and fix his mechanics. McCoy is a product of a gimmick system. He has no arm strength, makes no reads, and only has average everything else. Anyone who wonders how he'll do againest NFL defences should watch the Big 12 Championship game. Bradford is the best prototypical passer of the 3 but there are serious questions about his toughness, durability, whether he was simply a product of a QB system, and whether he has the arm strength to make all the throws. Ironicly the best QB in the Draft gets no respect and that QB is Jimmy Clausen. He has the size, the arm strength, the accuracy, the leadership ability, and above all else he played in a pro-style offence. I mean he threw for 3,722 yards, had a 8.0 YPA, 28 TDs with just 7 INTs, and maintained a completiton percentage of 68%. There are starting QBs in the NFL who won't match his yardage and TDs even with 4 extra games! Anyone who doubts he has what it takes should go to this walterfootball.com link http://walterfootball.com/mattblog091229.php. In it Matt McGuire compares Clausen's Junior season to other QBs who ended up going early in the NFL Draft(and many of them are now stars). This includes the Mannings, Matt Stafford, Big Ben, Phillip Rivers, and Matt Ryan. In the 5 categories Clausen was 1st in 4 of the categories and 2nd in the other. The one he place 2nd in was YPA where Stafford beat him out by just .2 yards. Yes that means he beat out Peyton in his Junior season in every single category. It's a shame that people are biased towards him just cuz he went to Notre Dame. If he went to USC or a SEC team people would love him. I mean Todd McShay actually has the gonads to say he's a 2nd round pick...yeah just keep telling yourself your not biased Todd. He even said on Sportscenter that he didn't like Clausen so he put him late 1st. I didn't like DHB but I put him at #7 overall last year cuz I know Al Davis. Whether or not you agree Clausen won't fall outta the Top 15 simply cuz there aren't many top QBs in the Draft but that just goes to show the bias againest him. If Ryan Mallet declares I think he has a good shot of going Top 25 maybe Top 10 if Al Davis is looking for a QB. He's still raw but no one can doubt his pure talent. A team like Minnesota may steal him at the end of Round 1.

Jimmy is that you?

How are Casey and Rick doing?

[earnhardt3maniac.com]

I think Bradford will be the first one taken. However, unlike many, I think Tim Tebow is the top QB in the draft. But he won't go number on

Tebow, Bradford, McCoy and Clausen are the top five, in order!

[princefielder28]

I think Bradford will be the first one taken. However, unlike many, I think Tim Tebow is the top QB in the draft. But he won't go number on

Tebow, Bradford, McCoy and Clausen are the top five, in order!

Makes sense b/c you have four QBs listed for your top 5 haha

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

My Top 12 Quarterbacks as of now...

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1. Jimmy Clausen
6'3/214
Notre Dame
Junior

Positives: great accuracy...great arm strength...operated in pro-style offense...great intangibles...toughness

Negatives: athleticism...minor injury concern

Quick Take: Clausen seems like the sure fire #1 quarterback at this point. Probably will start right away wherever he goes. He has franchise quarterback written all over him. Which Notre Dame pedigree will he follow, Rick Mrier or Joe Montana?

Projection: Top 10 pick

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2. Sam Bradford
6'4/214
Oklahoma
Junior

Positives: good arm strength...good mechanics...quick release...extremely productive

Negatives: injury concerns...product of terrific supporting cast?

Quick Take: Can't imagine the what if questions Bradford must have. He could be the guy in Detroit right now, but instead he is getting healed up and ready for the 2010 Draft. Another guy who will probably start right away depending on the situation.

Projection: Top 15 pick

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3. Tim Tebow
6'3/245
Florida
Senior

Positives: ultimate intangibles...unquestioned leadership...toughness...proven winner...loads of experience against top talent

Negatives: mechanics...elongated side armed throwing motion...rough running style...lack of work under center...possible position change

Quick Take: Still unknown whether Tebow will make it as a quarterback in the NFL, but he has the work ethic and dedication to make changes to his game in order to make it. If Tebow does stick at quarterback he will need time to develop. So for his sake I hope that a team, such as Jacksonville, doesn't take him and throw him in as a first year starter in order to sell tickets. Tebow needs a year or more to develop before he is NFL ready. He could be something very special in the right situation.

Projection: Mid to Late 1st Round

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4. Colt McCoy
6'2/210
Texas
Senior

Positives: quick release...good accuracy...athleticism...winner...loads of experience against top talent

Negatives: lacks ideal size...arm strength...has he reached his potential?...minor injury concerns

Quick Take: McCoy was an outstanding quarterback at the college level, and should go on to have a nice NFL career. I think that he needs to go to a West Coast offensive system. Given the right opportunity he can have a long career. He probably could start right away if needed.

Projection: 2nd Round

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5. Sean Canfield
6'4/214
Oregon State
Senior

Positives: good intangibles...good physical tools...good accuracy...unrealized potential?

Negatives: arm strength...ball security...injury concerns

Quick Take: Canfield has been a huge riser up draft boards this fall. He seems like he can be a quality quarterback in the NFL in time. He will need some time to learn, but given time he can contribute. Much better prospect than Matt Moore was, and Moore is the starter in Carolina.

Projection: mid 2nd Round

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6. Jevan Snead
6'3/218
Ole Miss
Junior

Positives: huge arm...pro-style experience...good size...did a lot without a quality supporting cast...intangibles...limitless potential

Negatives: accuracy...decision making...foot work

Quick Take: Snead has dropped mightily this fall, and his decision to make the jump now is questionable. However, making the jump now may pay off for him in the future. Snead has great physical tools and with a good performance at the combine could sneak his way back into the 2nd round. I really like this kid. His situation reminds me of Jay Cutler. Snead has huge potential, but shouldn't be rushed. Whoever drafts him needs to let him sit and learn. He could potentially be on the best quarterbacks in this class.

Projection: late 2nd round - early 3rd

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7. Tony Pike
6'6/210
Cincinnati
Senior

Positives: great size...great accuracy...decision making

Negatives: product of system?...needs to add bulk...injury concerns...arm strength...age

Quick Take: Pike is another guy whose stock to a hit this fall. I am very concerned at how the Cincinnati offense didn't miss a beat when Pike was injured. It makes me really question Pike. He seems to me as he is going to be a developmental guy. Probably a 2-3 year project, who could eventually start somewhere down the line. He needs to add some weight to his frame or he will not be able to withstand a NFL beating.

Projection: 3rd or 4th round

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8. Dan LeFevour
6'3/238
Central Michigan
Senior

Positives: good size...great athleticism...great intangibles

Negatives: lack of time in pro-style offense...arm strength...elongated throwing motion...potential position change

Quick Take: LeFevour, one of best statistical quarterbacks in NCAA history, may have trouble taking his game to the NFL. He will need some time to work on his game and his mechanics. Just as Tim Tebow, LeFevour could potentially move to H-back if it doesn't work at quarterback. May not ever be more than an NFL backup. Definitely worth taking a mid round flyer on.

Projection: 4th round

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9. Thaddeus Lewis
6'2/200
Duke
Senior

Positives: good arm strength...good athleticism...made great strides under David Cutcliffe...did a lot with inferior talent...a lot of experience against good competition

Negatives: lack of height...needs to work on mechanics...accuracy

Quick Take: Lewis is one of the sleeper prospects in the 2010 quarterback class. He has made great strides under the tutelage of Coach Cutcliffe, and still has yet to reach his potential. May never be a starter, but I see his as a solid backup. Could make a nice wildcat option.

Projection: 5th or 6th round

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10. Tim Hiller
6'5/234
Western Michigan
Senior

Positives: great size...good decision making...played in a pro-style offense...leadership

Negatives: arm strength...footwork...athleticism

Quick Take: Hiller has the look of a NFL quarterback, but his mechanics and arm strength will limit him in the NFL. Could eventually start, but is going to have to make so great strides to get there. Should be a backup in the NFL.

Projection: late 5th or 6th round

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11. Mike Kafka
6'3/220
Northwestern
Senior

Positive: good size...good accuracy...great athleticism...untapped potential

Negative: arm strength...lack of time under center...not many NFL throws in his offense

Quick Take: Kafka is a very good athlete who has really blossomed as a passer once his got to Northwestern. Kafka probably will never be an NFL starter, but his potential as a backup is very high. Kafka has a lot of work to do, but the reward highly out weights the risk in this case. Hopefully Kafka gets a chance.

Projection: 6th or 7th round

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12. John Skelton
6'5/256
Fordham
Senior

Positives: great size...good accuracy...good arm strength...a lot of experience as a starter...underrated athleticism...has he reached his potential?

Negatives: delivery needs work...huge jump from the Patriot League to the NFL...can he play against NFL talent?

Quick Take: Skelton is a late bloomer who has the size and skills to play quarterback in the NFL. However his lack of experience against top talent is a major concern. Some team should take a flyer on Skelton because his potential is huge. He will be a long term project, but he could be a diamond in the rough. Definitely worth having as a 3rd string guy.

Projection: 6th or 7th round.

[Babylon]

^
Read somewhere that there were 6 GMs that said Tebow was a 1st round pick. You would probably have to be secure in your job to take him early but i wonder if one of these new coaches/GMs (Shanahan/Carroll/ Holmgren) might want him as the face of their franchise.

Also looked at some footage of some of the great QBs and was surprised at how some of them dropped the ball pretty low before they released it (Fouts,Young, Marino)

[devinhester=R.O.Y 2006]

Carroll and Tebow in Seattle would be sex for the media. It would immediately put the Seahawks on ESPN everyday.

Not sure that Cleveland would be a fit now. Is Mangini the guy you want developing Tebow? Holmgren yes, Mangini no.

I don't think Shannahan would want Tebow, but with Snyder in charge you just never know.

This one may be a huge long shot, but what if Indianapolis took a flyer on Tebow. Who better to learn from than Peyton Manning.

[RealityCheck]

There are four teams who are perfect for Tebow: Seattle, Denver, Indy and NE.

[JFLO]

So what does everyone think about UAB's Joe Webb?

Does he have a shot of at least being a decent back up at the next level or is he pretty much a lock to play WR or H-Back at the next level?

[Halsey]

I'm starting to hear, see and read more and more signs that Tebow really has a chance to get drafted really high. I'm not sure Tebow in the top 10 is out of the question.

[FloridaSkinzFan]

I think if Tebow is not taken in the first round there will be a huge bidding war of teams trying to trade up or make a deal to take him in the top of the second.