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cvv84
06-10-2009, 05:53 PM
RED = No longer with team
GREEN = Pro Bowl selection
* = Career ending injury

2005
1/24 - QB Aaron Rodgers
2/51 - S Nick Collins*
2/58 - WR Terrence Murphy*
4/115 - S Marviel Underwood
4/125 - LB Brady Poppinga
5/143 - OL Junius Coston
5/167 - CB Mike Hawkins
6/180 - DE Mike Montgomery
6/195 - WR Craig Bragg
7/245 - LB Kurt Campbell
7/246 - OL Will Whitticker

2006
1/5 - LB A.J. Hawk
2/47 - OL Daryn Colledge
2/52 - WR Greg Jennings
3/67 - LB Abdul Hodge
3/75 - OL Jason Spitz
4/104 - WR Cory Rodgers
4/115 - CB Will Blackmon
5/148 - QB Ingle Martin
5/165 - OL Tony Moll
6/183 - DT Johnny Jolly
6/185 - S Tyrone Culver
7/253 - DE Dave Tollefson

2007
1/16 - DT Justin Harrell
2/63 - RB Brandon Jackson
3/78 - WR James Jones
3/89 - FS Aaron Rouse
4/119 - OL Allen Barbre
5/157 - WR David Clowney
6/191 - FB Korey Hall
6/192 - LB Desmond Bishop
6/193 - K Mason Crosby
7/228 - RB DeShawn Wynn
7/243 - TE Clark Harris

2008
2/36 - WR Jordy Nelson
2/56 - QB Brian Brohm
2/60 - CB Pat Lee
3/91 - TE Jermichael Finley
4/102 - DE Jeremy Thompson*
4/135 - OL Josh Sitton
5/150 - OL Breno Giacomini
7/209 - QB Matt Flynn
7/217 - WR Brett Swain

2009
1/9 - DT B.J. Raji
1/26 - LB Clay Matthews
4/109 - OL T.J. Lang
5/145 - FB Quinn Johnson
5/162 - OL Jamon Meredith
6/182 - DE Jarius Wynn
6/187 - CB Brandon Underwood
7/218 - LB Brad Jones

2010
1/23 - OT Bryan Bulaga
2/56 - DE Mike Neal
3/71 - S Morgan Burnett
5/154 - TE Andrew Quarless
5/169 - OL Marshall Newhouse
6/193 - RB James Starks
7/230 - DL C.J. Wilson

2011
1/32 - OT Derek Sherrod
2/64 - WR Randall Cobb
3/96 - RB Alex Green
4/131 - CB Davon House
5/141 - TE D.J. Williams
6/179 - OG Caleb Schlauderaff
6/186 - LB D.J. Smith
6/197 - LB Ricky Elmore
7/218 - TE Ryan Taylor
7/233 - DE Lawrence Guy

2012
1/28 - DE/OLB Nick Perry
2/51 - DT Jerel Worthy
2/62 - CB Casey Hayward
4/132 - DT Mike Daniels
4/133 - FS Jerron McMillian
5/163 - LB Terrell Manning
7/241 - OT Andrew Datko
7/243 - QB B.J. Coleman

Packers Record
2005: 4-12
2006: 8-8
2007: 13-3 (lost conference championship)
2008: 6-10
2009: 11-5 (lost wild card round)
2010: 10-6 (Superbowl Champions)
2011: 15-1 (lost divisional round)
2012: ????

Zycho32
06-11-2009, 12:22 PM
Mmm hmm. So far he looks to be middle of the road in terms of grading, maybe higher. You can't argue that he's one of the worst GMs in the history of the team, let alone the league, but you cant say he's one of the best either.

He plays a very conservative style in regards to Free Agents and spent almost all of his drafts trying to store up depth in a franchise he must've felt was hollowed out due to the previous regime in place. He also was about as cold-hearted as one can get in regards to Favre.

His approach is top-notch. His effeciency is still up for debate.

cvv84
06-11-2009, 12:59 PM
Mmm hmm. So far he looks to be middle of the road in terms of grading, maybe higher. You can't argue that he's one of the worst GMs in the history of the team, let alone the league, but you cant say he's one of the best either.

He plays a very conservative style in regards to Free Agents and spent almost all of his drafts trying to store up depth in a franchise he must've felt was hollowed out due to the previous regime in place. He also was about as cold-hearted as one can get in regards to Favre.

His approach is top-notch. His effeciency is still up for debate.

I think he's doing a good job in adding depth to the team but we need more players stepping up and becoming solid starters. So far out of Thompson's draft I'd say we have above average players in Aaron Rodgers, Nick Collins, Greg Jennings, and Jason Spitz.

I also don't really mind his approach to free agency either. It would be nice to add some more players that we do but how often does a high priced free agent acquisition pan out? Pickett worked out for us and I think we got lucky with Woodson simply because we needed to spend the money to get up to the minimum cap usage that year. Woodson even said he signed here because the Packers offered the most money.

One thing I like about Thompson though is that he isn't affraid to cut ties with a player that doesn't pan out. He was quick to cut Ahmad Carroll, Mark Roman, Arturo Freeman, and Marquand Manuel among others. No more of this Cletidus Hunt/Joe Johnson treatment that went on for years under Sherman.

Overall though our offense has potential to become a top notch unit under Thompson. We'll have to wait and see how our defense shapes up in the new 3-4 but we'll need guys like Hawk, Harrell, Lee, Raji, and Matthews to develop.

AJHawk50
06-11-2009, 07:44 PM
He's drafted some superstars all ready. He's also had some that have faded away which is what to be expected with some. Overall I think he has done great.

On a side note, I used to like Abdul Hodge...I wish we still had him with Bishop for depth.

cvv84
06-11-2009, 09:41 PM
He's drafted some superstars all ready. He's also had some that have faded away which is what to be expected with some. Overall I think he has done great.

On a side note, I used to like Abdul Hodge...I wish we still had him with Bishop for depth.

We're already a pretty deep team on offense. We're have tons of guys along the offensive line which we need to sort out. We're loaded at WR. We have a potential Pro Bowl calibur QB and our run game has been solid, but hopefully better this year.

Defensively we really haven't hit on anyone yet as to call them an above average starter. Hawk is solid, Jolly has been good, Rouse can make plays but gives them up just as easily, Pat Lee has been pretty disapointing so far, and Jeremy Thompson should fit well into the new defense.

As for Hodge, I liked him coming out of college but his skill set just doesn't match up for the NFL and especially in the 3-4. Remember when he got the start against Seattle and they ran all over him?

neko4
06-16-2009, 03:22 PM
Since '05 he's drafted more for depth and to help build a core for the team. This year was the first year he traded up into the first to get some superstars.

Burger
06-16-2009, 03:49 PM
Thompson gets an A if Harrell does good like I said he is.

tjsunstein
06-16-2009, 03:56 PM
In your opinion, who is the best GM in the game? I want to stack Ted up against them and see how he grades out. Of course certain circumstances interfere with it being an even grading system but I'm curious.

umphrey
06-16-2009, 04:17 PM
Thompson has been our GM for 4 going on 5 years now, I believe. Most people agree that it takes 3 years at least to grade a draft. Thus it is really only fair to grade him on the 2005-2006 drafts. So it's still early to sing his praise or condemn him in my opinion, but I really like what he's done and where the team is headed.

Burger
06-16-2009, 04:28 PM
Our 2005 draft was pretty damn good.

cvv84
06-16-2009, 05:01 PM
Thompson has been our GM for 4 going on 5 years now, I believe. Most people agree that it takes 3 years at least to grade a draft. Thus it is really only fair to grade him on the 2005-2006 drafts. So it's still early to sing his praise or condemn him in my opinion, but I really like what he's done and where the team is headed.

They say that the 5 year mark is the year to grade a GM though. The draft is only half the equasion and you have to factor in free agency too. So you have to factor in him signing Woodson, Pickett, Bigby, Trammon Williams, and trading for Ryan Grant.

Burger
06-16-2009, 05:08 PM
What would you guys Rate Thompson right now?

cvv84
06-16-2009, 05:17 PM
I'd give Thompson a B right now for the following reasons:

1) He has re-established the overall depth of the team
2) He has created the cap surplus that we've had annually now which gives us the flexibility to sign free agents and sign our key players long term
3) The offense is a top 10
4) Key signings of Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett, and a great value trade for Ryan Grant.
5) He isn't affraid to get rid of mistakes i.e. Ahmad Carroll and Marquand Manuel


Mostly though he's failed to hit on his top picks other than Aaron Rodgers. Hawk's been solid but unspecatular and Harrell has rarely seen the field. I don't think that Matthews will become a great pass rusher but if he hits on Raji then I'd give TT a B+ or A-

princefielder28
06-16-2009, 05:48 PM
Our 2005 draft was pretty damn good.

I hope you're kidding. Outside of Rodgers falling into our laps, we have one starter and a couple of backups.

Burger
06-16-2009, 05:52 PM
He's a probowler, so I am not complaining.

Yatta!
06-16-2009, 05:58 PM
At the end of the day, TT is one of the better GMs in this league and his philosophy of building througth the draft is the right one.

princefielder28
06-16-2009, 05:59 PM
He's a probowler, so I am not complaining.

Corey Hart was an All-Star with the Brewers last year too. Those two are very comparable. They've showed some potential that people believe they have, but may not necessarily be worthy of the accolades. Collins improved alot last season but he's not an All-Pro caliber player and he needs to show that last season wasn't a fluke.

Burger
06-16-2009, 06:00 PM
Corey Hart was an All-Star with the Brewers last year too. Those two are very comparable. They've showed some potential that people believe they have, but may not necessarily be worthy of the accolades. Collins improved alot last season but he's not an All-Pro caliber player and he needs to show that last season wasn't a fluke.

If last season wasnt a fluke, then would you say it was a good draft?

princefielder28
06-16-2009, 06:02 PM
If last season wasnt a fluke, then would you say it was a good draft?

I would say it was a good draft, yes. If you can get 2 Pro Bowl caliber players in one draft then yes, but I am still skeptical of Collins being as productive moving forward.

Burger
06-16-2009, 06:05 PM
I would say it was a good draft, yes. If you can get 2 Pro Bowl caliber players in one draft then yes, but I am still skeptical of Collins being as productive moving forward.

I am sure the 3-4 D can help his production.

cvv84
06-16-2009, 06:23 PM
I would say it was a good draft, yes. If you can get 2 Pro Bowl caliber players in one draft then yes, but I am still skeptical of Collins being as productive moving forward.

I'd even throw Rodgers into that category too. Yeah he also had a great season but lets repeat it and start come up late in the 4th quarter.

I am sure the 3-4 D can help his production.

Its the 1st year running an entirely new defense. There will be bumps and growing pains along the way. We have no 3-4 proven player in the front 7 and our CBs will be playing alot more zone coverage than the man to man that we're used to.

umphrey
06-16-2009, 10:48 PM
I grade Thompson an A.

He's done a good job bringing in hungry players that make contributions to the team.

He showed confidence in the Favre situation. A lot of GMs wouldn't have.

He finds talent all the way through the draft and has built a team where most of our 'bubble' players would be scooped up by other teams or even starters.

But the real reason I give Thompson an A is because usually when I call for a players head, or call for him to draft someone, he does exactly what I was thinking. Good or bad thats happened repeatedly and so I really like him as a GM.

johbur
06-18-2009, 12:52 AM
What would you guys Rate Thompson right now?

I love a lot of what TT has done, but he's also mis-fired. He cost Sherman (for better or worse) by not securing guards his first season as GM while cutting loose Wahle and Rivera. The Packers couldn't convert short yardage and they got punked by interior rushers. TT also cut loose Sharper and his replacements have been Manuel, Roman and Bigby, with only one good year from Bigby two years ago. He cut loose Longwell and Sanders and though we have Crosby now, we still don't have a punter. I didn't like his statements towards Favre, but he got a third round pick for an aging super star that had to leave for GB to see how good Rodgers is.

He had to overhaul an aging roster and he did so with a horde of draftees and fiscally responsible free agents. Woodson, Pickett and Chillar have been great choices. Ryan Grant had a bad year and still got 1200 yards, so that was a nice choice. His draft choices have been solid for the most part, with a good portion of them sticking on the roster. I still think parting with a second and thrid round choice and having Randy Moss and Tony Gonzalez on the team would have been better choices. Hate the Harrell pick as well, especially since that could have been Greg Olsen. Same thing with passing on Dustin Keller last year. Hawk, Collins, Jennings, the O-line and Raji have tilted the balance towards.

I'd grade TT with how the teams record has been, which is 31-33. McCarthy was a solid hire and he's 27-21. Overall that makes TT a little below average with Sherman included, and above average when you consider he inherited Sherman's crappy roster and contracts.

Overall, a C+, with room for growth.

cvv84
01-04-2010, 02:11 PM
Is 2009 Ted Thompson's best draft class yet?

Raji - Looks like a stud who can play anywhere on the defensive line.

Matthews - Better than I expected. Can't wait to see him with a full season under his belt.

Lang - Versitile guy who got beat up but looks like a potential starter in the near future.

Johnson - Didn't start out well but has really started to put it together late in the season.

Meredith - I wish we could've kept him but he really hasn't done much with the Bills. Got a few starts but never locked down a job.

Wynn - A bit undersized but could be a descent sub player if he can add some weight.

Underwood - Never really flashed like I hoped he would. I still think his future could be at safety.

Jones - Filled in great for Kampman but I don't know if he's an every down player because of his size. Could be a situational pass rusher at worst. Still have high hopes for him though.

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Out of this draft we got a Pro Bowl canidate in Matthews at its looking like we hit on Raji too. I think that alone makes this a great draft class. When you look back though you'll see that TT has manged to get 2 studs from almost every draft class and or at least 2 quality players/starters.

princefielder28
01-04-2010, 02:14 PM
I would still consider 2006 a better draft

Whistler6
01-04-2010, 03:50 PM
He has hit the bullseye a few times and missed terribly on others. But I would put this year as his best, because he didn't wait around for talent to drop. He made the move to trade up and snag Clay Mathews before anyone else had the chance. TT saw something in Mathews that said, "I need this guy", and I have to give credit where credit is due.

Without Mathews, Green Bay's defense would be nowhere near where it is right now. He gives them size, speed, and an attitude that guys like Hawk just don't bring. Add in BJ Raji who has flashed brilliance and an excellent late round pick in Brad Jones who has done an admirable job being forced in midseason.

Yes Rodgers carries more weight and the Collins pick was excellent, but I don't remember a rookie class having more of an impact than the 2009 class has.

Crickett
01-04-2010, 03:54 PM
He has hit the bullseye a few times and missed terribly on others.

Its the NFL draft. That's how it works. :)

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 12:48 PM
Thompson in the draft is about a B in terms of his 5 years here.
His free agency record is about a B-.

He's given us a great one in Woodson (even though it was lucky he didn't have to compete with any other team for the cornerback- Tampa wanted him but as a safety), and one solid one in Pickett.

Chillar is okay but not as good as the money they just gave him. If he is as good as that contract, than Hawk should be traded while he can fetch something.

Other than those 2-3 guys, in now 6 years of free agency, he's not been active.

Tramon and Atari were good ones, but not your UFA types, still, he gets credit for that.

But comparing him to Ron Wolf's free agent additions, it pales in comparison.

On the other hand, Teddy Ballgame made some good trades for Ryan Grant, pawning off the longsnapper for a pick, and getting a 2 for Corey Williams.

His effing up the Randy Moss on a silver platter cost the Packers, probably, a Super Bowl appearance at least, and led to..... the disaster with Farve, which was mostly Farve's fault but TT has some culpability there.

TT chould have held the Vikings ransom and made the super ballzy deal for their #1 picks for 2008 & 2009. Imagine that. But that would have pizzed everyone in packer country off and even though he says he doesn't really care what the fan's reactions are (he says his focus is on the team period, not the public's perception), even he wasn't going to go there. He tried so hard to keep #4 out of Minny.

So all in all, with 1 playoff game win in a half-decade, I'd say a B- is fair.
The future looks bright, but you can't grade that yet.

TitleTown088
03-28-2010, 01:09 PM
His effing up the Randy Moss on a silver platter cost the Packers

Effing it up? How could he help Moss preferring to go to NE?

Sure he could have given up a higher pick, but its not like teams were lining up to trade for Moss. You gotta give TT credit for recognizing Moss was still a player, not many other teams recognized that at the time. Moss was widely though of as washed up by many at that point.

cvv84
03-28-2010, 01:15 PM
Effing it up? How could he help Moss preferring to go to NE?

Sure he could have given up a higher pick, but its not like teams were lining up to trade for Moss. You gotta give TT credit for recognizing Moss was still a player, not many other teams recognized that at the time. Moss was widely though of as washed up by many at that point.

Not too mention how would Moss's presence slow the development of Jennings? Yeah Moss is a helluva player but its when he wants to be. He was getting criticized for dogging it at the end of last season. That doesn't fly in a blue collar town like Green Bay.

umphrey
03-28-2010, 06:17 PM
I can't stand it when people bring up the Moss trade.

You know there are 30 teams who didn't make that trade (and the 1 who sent him packing).

It's just like Marques Colston. He was a 7th rounder so are you supposed to downgrade drafts for 31 teams who didn't pick him?

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 07:07 PM
I can't stand it when people bring up the Moss trade.
You know there are 30 teams who didn't make that trade (and the 1 who sent him packing).
I can't stand it when people pretend like Favre, his agent, and Moss didn't set that thing all up on a silver platter. McNabb didn't arrange it for him to go to Philly. Favre and Moss cooked it up, it was a rare chance to get a superstar, but Ted Thompson would not pull the trigger.

It was like when Woodson was trying to escape from Oakland... nobody else wanted him as their cornerback because he looked moody, washed up, etc. Same thing with Moss out of the black hole. It was perfectly orchestrated for him to unite with Favre, finally, as both guys have respected each other for years.

In the end, Thompson did not to let the player play the role of GM, which is his job. Most GM's have a lot of ego. Not just TT.

Oakland wanted that deal consumated for weeks.
One day, it will come out in a book.

johbur
03-28-2010, 07:07 PM
The Moss trade was a trade that should have happened, along with the Tony Gonzalez trade. When Brent was here, he had the same agent as Moss and Moss was willing to come here. He was not willing to go just anywhere, hence one of the reasons why he's in NE. He's caught 47 TDs in three years with NE now. Both Driver and Jennings combined have 38 or so TDs combined in the same time span.
O give TT the benefit of the doubt on the Tony G., given how great Finley looks, but Finley and Tony G. as a tandem would have been pretty incredible for this offense.

J-Mike88
03-30-2010, 10:05 PM
The Moss trade was a trade that should have happened, along with the Tony Gonzalez trade.
Be careful, cvv doesn't like you saying anything bad about TT.
And going back in time, that's just revisionist history too.

cvv84
03-31-2010, 05:25 PM
Be careful, cvv doesn't like you saying anything bad about TT.
And going back in time, that's just revisionist history too.

Not true. I don't like people who make brain damaged posts.

J-Mike88
03-31-2010, 06:04 PM
Not true. I don't like people who make brain damaged posts.
Anything negative about your fruitty crush Thompson would qualify for that, according to you.
Seems to me everyone in here who has handed a grade out has been in the 'B' range. If that offends you, you might need some counseling. I've never, on all the BB's I am on, seen anyone take anything not positive about the man as personal as you. Nobody. You must have some personal experience with Theodore, but you should save that for TMZ.

cvv84
03-31-2010, 06:21 PM
Anything negative about your fruitty crush Thompson would qualify for that, according to you.
Seems to me everyone in here who has handed a grade out has been in the 'B' range. If that offends you, you might need some counseling. I've never, on all the BB's I am on, seen anyone take anything not positive about the man as personal as you. Nobody. You must have some personal experience with Theodore, but you should save that for TMZ.

I already posted my grade and the reason in the this thread months ago. Do some reading/reasearching so you can quite making yourself look like the board idiot.

jackalope
03-31-2010, 10:16 PM
Anything negative about your fruitty crush Thompson would qualify for that, according to you.
Seems to me everyone in here who has handed a grade out has been in the 'B' range. If that offends you, you might need some counseling. I've never, on all the BB's I am on, seen anyone take anything not positive about the man as personal as you. Nobody. You must have some personal experience with Theodore, but you should save that for TMZ.

Not true, I gave him an A-.

Regarding the Moss trade: I don't care how well it worked out for New England, I'm still glad we didn't make the trade. Seeing my least favorite player play for the Packers would have been too much.

Also, I think merging some of these threads we have would be a good idea. We have several that could go into the draft discussion.

J-Mike88
03-31-2010, 10:31 PM
1) Regarding the Moss trade: I don't care how well it worked out for New England, I'm still glad we didn't make the trade. Seeing my least favorite player play for the Packers would have been too much.

2) Also, I think merging some of these threads we have would be a good idea. We have several that could go into the draft discussion.

1) Nice to see you admit your personal grades are heavily-weighed by your personal favorite or non-favorite players. Don't let real production get in the way of your assessment of the actual performances.
Wow, an A- for one playoff win in 5 seasons.
What grade for two playoff wins in 5 seasons?
What grade for three playoff wins?
What grade for one Super Bowl appearance?
What grade for one Super Bowl win?
What grade for two Super Bowl wins in 5 seasons, as the Steelers have had?
Honestly, if you were a teacher with a curve like that, you'd be everyone's favorite.

2) I agree... tell that to the kid cvv who likes to make a mountain out of a mole hill anytime anything not rosy-positive is said about Ted Thompson's work. RyanBraun8 and I, and some others, have tried to bring some real draft discussions and mocks to the other threads, but you'll see cvv likes to hijack all the threads defending his boytoy.

jackalope
03-31-2010, 11:00 PM
1) Nice to see you admit your personal grades are heavily-weighed by your personal favorite or non-favorite players. Don't let real production get in the way of your assessment of the actual performances.
Wow, an A- for one playoff win in 5 seasons.
What grade for two playoff wins in 5 seasons?
What grade for three playoff wins?
What grade for one Super Bowl appearance?
What grade for one Super Bowl win?
What grade for two Super Bowl wins in 5 seasons, as the Steelers have had?
Honestly, if you were a teacher with a curve like that, you'd be everyone's favorite.

2) I agree... tell that to the kid cvv who likes to make a mountain out of a mole hill anytime anything not rosy-positive is said about Ted Thompson's work. RyanBraun8 and I, and some others, have tried to bring some real draft discussions and mocks to the other threads, but you'll see cvv likes to hijack all the threads defending his boytoy.

I don't understand, you plus reped me for the post that I gave him and A-, but you didn't read it?

I take pride in being a Packer fan. I don't want to have to root for a team with a douchebag that I've rooted against for years. I'm not a Viking fan.

I think number of playoff wins is too simplistic of a way to measure how well a GM is doing. I understand that that is the ultimate goal, but you also have to look at the position our team is in compared to where it started. A guy like Jerry Reese has a Superbowl ring already, but he had the luxury of taking the team from Ernie Accorsi instead of Mike Sherman. Jerry Angelo took his team to the Superbowl, but look at where the Bears organization is right now.

johbur
04-01-2010, 01:45 AM
Be careful, cvv doesn't like you saying anything bad about TT.
And going back in time, that's just revisionist history too.

Doing grading based on someone's history is using hind-sight. Looking at picks as how they turned out is revisionist, as the GM makes the decision based on what they know at the time. TT gets downgraded for not making trades he should have made, and he gets upgraded for making the trades or bringing in the players he was successful with.
He hit with Ryan Grant, but was gun-shy with Moss and Gonzalez. He hasn't brought in many FAs, but a number of them have been solid for the defense.
He missed on Harrell, I didn't like him trading out of the first round even picking up Jordy. He crushed on getting Raji and Matthews.
He's taken a talent shallow team with a bad cap situation after Mike Sherman and turned it to a young team with a lot of talent and financial health. Over his tenure the team is 42-38. That's four games over even. Hopefully the team gets some areas shored up and GB has a better year even than last year, but he's four games over .500, so that's a C+ still, with a chance to move to a B with another good off-season.
So far, this off-season has been solid with him keeping the two OTs, the NT and preventing a hold-out by the FS. I'd love to see another draft this year with guys that are expected to play, instead of guys that are expected to develop and grow.

umphrey
04-01-2010, 04:50 PM
Downgrade him on the bad trades he made but don't downgrade him on trades that he didn't make. There are so many what ifs you're taking a subjective process and making it way worse by trying to figure out everything that happened behind the scenes. If you really want to downgrade him for that, give him a bad grade, then multiply that by 1/31 for the other 31 teams that share the bad grade.

J-Mike88
04-01-2010, 05:00 PM
......Over his tenure the team is 42-38. That's four games over even. Hopefully the team gets some areas shored up and GB has a better year even than last year, but he's four games over .500, so that's a C+ still, with a chance to move to a B with another good off-season.......
Uh-oh.
Using wins-losses is not going to make some people happy.

But johbur, you are right on the money: this is a business where success is measured by wins and losses, and especially playoff wins and losses. So far, you're right: the overall record is a little better than average. We think (and hope!) that the future is bright, so his grade should be going up.

With an upgrade at CB, LOLB, and OT, there's not a team in the league that we cannot beat, and that speaks volumes about what TT has done with this team. Yeah, I said it. But remember the history in Seattle too, and the off-season they had when he left, and then the season they had. He builds nice puzzles, but he needs to finish it. We all know where we have holes.

cvv84
04-01-2010, 05:07 PM
I don't understand, you plus reped me for the post that I gave him and A-, but you didn't read it?

He's a ******* dumbass, what is there to get? :D


Its "fans" like J-Mike88 that just make you shake your head. Expecting huge moves from a small franchise. Yeah we have 1 playoff win under Thompson/McCarthy but we've also completely overhauled our roster and have been the youngest team in the league for 3 years in a row. Considering we have one of, if not the best young QB in the league and numerous young talented players at other positions as well.

Who's to say that Moss or Gonzalez would've put us over the top? And if we did make those trades what would the effect have been on Jennings and Finley? We have the foundation in place, just need to become a more consistant team. Which I think will happen with a QB that isn't turnover prone.

EvilMonkey
04-01-2010, 05:07 PM
33 of 51 picks still on the Packers roster.

Brohm, Meredith, Clowney, Rouse, Tollefson, Moll, Hodge, Culver are still on other NFL rosters. Obviously does no good for the Packers, but helps show he know how to evaluate prospects.

So 41 of 51 draftees are still in the NFL in some regard. 80% of players TT drafted still in the NFL is fine by me.

jackalope
04-01-2010, 05:53 PM
Uh-oh.
Using wins-losses is not going to make some people happy.

But johbur, you are right on the money: this is a business where success is measured by wins and losses, and especially playoff wins and losses. So far, you're right: the overall record is a little better than average. We think (and hope!) that the future is bright, so his grade should be going up.

With an upgrade at CB, LOLB, and OT, there's not a team in the league that we cannot beat, and that speaks volumes about what TT has done with this team. Yeah, I said it. But remember the history in Seattle too, and the off-season they had when he left, and then the season they had. He builds nice puzzles, but he needs to finish it. We all know where we have holes.

If wins-losses is the most accurate representation of a GM's performance, would you agree that Mike Sherman was a more successful GM than Ted Thompson?

umphrey
04-01-2010, 05:57 PM
People just remember it's like you're a college looking at applicants and all these things are like ACTs, GPA, class rank, activities, etc.

I grade him an A- primarily for 2 reasons.
1) Aaron Rodgers: so many teams go decades without a decent quarterback, and when Aaron retires it will probably be the case that we went 30 years with very high level QB play
2) Brett Favre: He risked making everyone in Wisconsin hate him by standing up to him and doing the right football move. He played the unknown young kid instead who he apparently knew to be a phenom. And he put an end to Favre treating the organisation like a very desperate ex girlfriend (now Minnesota is that desperate ex :) ).

The only real knocks on him are that he screwed up on the OL last year and his drafting has been good, maybe very good, but not great. Not a single bad trade or any wasted money. Very rare for a 5-6 year span.

TitleTown088
04-01-2010, 06:26 PM
Name another GM that has found a top 5 QB (arguable the most valuable player in the NFL considering age and such), top 5 Safety, top 10 WR and, top young pass rusher and TE in his past few drafts. Not to mention the others guys he's drafted ( jolly, Jones, Spitz, Jordy, Lang) or found ( Tramon, Havner, and Grant) that are on the roster. TT has been very good in the draft, sure he has some misses, but what GMs haven't missed?

Just imagine if Lee, Raji, and ( dare I say) Harrell amount on top of that.

johbur
04-01-2010, 09:57 PM
If wins-losses is the most accurate representation of a GM's performance, would you agree that Mike Sherman was a more successful GM than Ted Thompson?

Yes, qualified in that he was the GM and the HC. I don't believe any head coach can be a successful GM over the long term. They get too attached to the players and players that don't get the money resent the coach/GM.
Sherman had three division crowns, five winning seasons, and the highest w/l percentage behind Vince Lombardi in team history. Now, he was 2-4 in the playoffs, which obviously doesn't cut it in GB. Packers are 1-2 after him, so it's not like the playoff performance has improved under TT.

They both had/have issues as GMs, Sherman relied on FA too much and didn't maximize the number of picks he made, though he was sustaining a solid team, instead of building up a team from one that had grown old. TT didn't keep his OGs his first season he let Longwell and Sharper go, cut P Jon Ryan and has yet to address the gaping holes on special teams, worst unit in the NFL. Due to drafting lots, he's hit on more players, but he has no more pro-bowlers than Sherman had selected over the first three drafts. Overall TT has a better handle on the draft and is getting better, as the 2009 draft was the type of draft that gets you to a championship. TT conservative with FA and is so conservative with the draft that he misses out on players that could make an impact on the team due to not wanting to "sacrifice" a third or fourth rounder.

I'd have liked to have had TT in 2001 when Wolf retired and had Sherman as the coach, though I like what MM is doing now.

cvv84
04-24-2010, 04:13 PM
The 2010 draft is complete and I've added in the newest members of the Green Bay Packers.

A few notes from the draft:

1) With 7 draftees this is the smallest draft class in Ted Thompson's tenure with the Packers.

2) This is the 1st time that Ted Thompson has not traded down over the course of a draft.

cvv84
04-30-2011, 05:35 PM
And there we have it, Ted Thompson's 2011 NFL draft is in the books.

SuperPacker
05-01-2011, 12:32 PM
And there we have it, Ted Thompson's 2011 NFL draft is in the books.

And it was a good one as well.

3 future starters in Sherrod, Cobb, House and some good depth in Green, Elmore and DJ Williams

johbur
05-03-2011, 02:19 AM
And TT back to his "typical" Ted Draft, which is having double digit picks. If 50% of picks make the team at year three, that means TT has been getting 5 or 6 players on the roster versus the 2 or 3 players other teams get from the draft. This takes into account injuries, roster competition, trades and whatever else.

cvv84
07-28-2011, 06:06 PM
Just updated this with the recent free agent moves, when you look back we only have 2 players left from Thompson's 1st draft class with the Packers. On the bright side, both those players are top 5 at their position.

Ironically from Thomson's 2nd draft class, we'll soon have only 2 players left as well in Hawk and Jennings.

2007 was Thompson's worst draft class, luckily he landed 2 gems in the 6th round who both received extention in the past year.

neko4
08-01-2011, 07:37 PM
1) He has re-established the overall depth of the team


5) He isn't affraid to get rid of mistakes i.e. Ahmad Carroll and Marquand Manuel


Mostly though he's failed to hit on his top picks other than Aaron Rodgers.

These are two of Thompson's best attributes. Sure he has missed on a few of the top picks but he's gotten good depth in almost every draft and that really helps down the stretch.

Furthermore, being able to admit a mistake and fix it, is a big plus. If a player has shown promise by 2-3 years - cut or bench him. I feel as though, in the Sherman days, we held on to a lot of players who we should have cut or benched.

cvv84
04-30-2012, 06:31 PM
Updated with the 2012 draft and the release of Nick Collins.

PackerLegend
05-01-2012, 12:28 PM
We seem to add 1-2 major impact probowl players a year and a bunch of solid players. Of all the players no longer with us most have found roles on other teams. Overall pretty impressive.