Draft Discussion - Safeties

[TACKLE]

Here's a wide open thread to discuss Safeties. Post any thoughts or opinions on the Safeties: your rankings, who's underrated, who's overrated, break out prospects, sleepers, best fits, etc. This is the place to break down the 2010 S class.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I give this about 15 posts before this whole thread turns into Eric Berry vs. Taylor Mays.

[superman8456]

Eric Berry is the best out of all of them. Probably the best prospect, besides Allen Bailey, that will be eligible next year. He will receive a lot of comparisons to Ed Reed come draft time next year, and that will only help him.

[TACKLE]

I give this about 15 posts before this whole thread turns into Eric Berry vs. Taylor Mays.

I wonder which side you'll be on. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif


Kam Chancellor is a beast. He is so big and can lay the wood. He's listed at 6'4 224 and I think that's pretty accurate. I still have some questions about his range. His 40 time will be big for him. If he can run a mid-low 4.5, that will help his stock a lot.

[PACKmanN]

I wonder which side you'll be on. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif


Kam Chancellor is a beast. He is so big and can lay the wood. He's listed at 6'4 224 and I think that's pretty accurate. I still have some questions about his range. His 40 time will be big for him. If he can run a mid-low 4.5, that will help his stock a lot.

imo, he a Aaron Rouse type of prospect. I love Kam though, and I also loved Rouse as a prospect.

[Bengals78]

I give this about 15 posts before this whole thread turns into Eric Berry vs. Taylor Mays.

Mays by a country mile.

(just trying to stir the pot haha)

[Cicero]

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/North+Carolina+v+Rutgers+lhLHb8xYWaNm.jpg

I think this guy is really underrated right now. I don't know that he'll come out this year, but his stock is definitely going to soar during this season.

[Dam8610]

To continue the trend of the last post, I feel this guy is very underrated:

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/15436-1/MorganBurnett.jpg

[Big_Pete]

It seems that Berry, Mays, Wright and Chancellor are the safeties most people are talking about

but who are the other good safety prospects?

[Dam8610]

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/North+Carolina+v+Rutgers+lhLHb8xYWaNm.jpg

I think this guy is really underrated right now. I don't know that he'll come out this year, but his stock is definitely going to soar during this season.

How is he a 21 (22 in November) year old sophomore? He had to redshirt, right?

[Cicero]

How is he a 21 (22 in November) year old sophomore? He had to redshirt, right?

This is why I shouldn't be posting at 4:30 in the morning. He was a redshirt sophomore last year, he'll be a junior this year. He originally came in as a WR.

[parrish_lemar24DBSkins]

I'm sitting this one out!!

Oh, and please post names with lesser known prospects, if you don't mind.

[Dam8610]

Oh, and please post names with lesser known prospects, if you don't mind.

Is Morgan Burnett really not that known? I mean, I know he doesn't have the hype train of other prospects, but he's hard to miss if you watch a Georgia Tech game. Hard hitter, covers well, there's a lot to like with him.

[princefielder28]

Antonio Baker of Louisiana Tech is always around the ball. He's accumulated 233 tackles, 6 interceptions and 2 1st team WAC selections over the past two seasons.

[BuddyCHRIST]

To continue the trend of the last post, I feel this guy is very underrated:

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/15436-1/MorganBurnett.jpg

Agreed, always stands out when you watch GT play.

[DeathbyStat]

I like Berry as the number safety as many do, but does anyone like Reshad Jones better than Taylor mays?

[Sniper]

I like Berry as the number safety as many do, but does anyone like Reshad Jones better than Taylor mays?

Nope.

1. Berry
1A. Mays.

[Cicero]

Agreed, always stands out when you watch GT play.

I agree with that assessment of him as well.

Nope.

1. Berry
1A. Mays.

Ya, there's not much argument on who the top 2 guys are.

[Halsey]

I haven't seen enough of Taylor Mays to have a strong opinion of him, but the amount of talking up he is getting is starting to remind me of....numerous other USC prospects from the past. Remember how Maualuga(sp?) was widely considered a top 3 to 5 lock a year ago. It will be interesting to see if Mays can live up to the super high expectations he will have this year.

[superman8456]

I haven't seen enough of Taylor Mays to have a strong opinion of him, but the amount of talking up he is getting is starting to remind me of....numerous other USC prospects from the past. Remember how Maualuga(sp?) was widely considered a top 3 to 5 lock a year ago. It will be interesting to see if Mays can live up to the super high expectations he will have this year.

Maualuga was an amazing talent that fell because of a low Wonderlic score.

Mays will live up to the physical abilities he is known as, but Im not so sure about the actual playmaker he is.

[draftguru151]

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Auburn+v+Alabama+ApNHaGCZx4-l.jpg

Justin Woodall from Bama. Big dude at 6-2 220. Don't know a lot about him but he's a guy to watch.

[Don Vito]

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Auburn+v+Alabama+ApNHaGCZx4-l.jpg

Justin Woodall from Bama. Big dude at 6-2 220. Don't know a lot about him but he's a guy to watch.

He could be a beast, I will definitely be watching him because he is going to have a lot more responsibilities in coverage this year with Johnson gone.


For Ole Miss, watch for #1 FS Kendrick Lewis. He's a talented guy at 6-1 205 who really came into his own last year, Lewis is a playmaker and ws our best DB last season.

http://drugcalledtradition.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/kendricklewis.jpg

[GhostDeini]

There was never anything "amazing" about Rey Maualuga. He is a below average athlete with no instincts for the MLB position. And I doubt the Wonderlic had anything to do with him dropping. It was just his pathetic film. GM's saw very poor angles and a stiff with no agility whatsoever. Big hair and tattoos doesnt = badass MLB. And on the safeties, Berry is clearly at the top and props to that guy who mentioned R.Jones from UGA.

[DeathbyStat]

There was never anything "amazing" about Rey Maualuga. He is a below average athlete with no instincts for the MLB position. And I doubt the Wonderlic had anything to do with him dropping. It was just his pathetic film. GM's saw very poor angles and a stiff with no agility whatsoever. Big hair and tattoos doesnt = badass MLB. And on the safeties, Berry is clearly at the top and props to that guy who mentioned R.Jones from UGA.

Thanks for the props

[bhaarat316]

Which safety will the Steelers end up with? Its not Mays or Berry, but then who is left Kam maybe?

[OhioState]

One guy who nobody knows and has improved every year is Kurt Coleman. Good in the box saftey who has recently improved in the passing game. He's also a great leader and could break out this year.

[SenorGato]

So basically...sick S class next year?

Sweet.

Potentially sweet anyway...

[Bengals78]

So basically...sick S class next year?

Sweet.

Potentially sweet anyway...

Barring injury this could be the deepest year for safties, especially in the first few rounds.

[bhaarat316]

Barring injury this could be the deepest year for safties, especially in the first few rounds.

If everyone comes out that is suppose to.

[foozball]

So...in no particular order (just names to keep up with)

Eric Berry*
Taylor Mays
Deunta Williams*
Reshad Jones*
Kam Chancellor
Morgan Burnett*
Justin Woodall
Kendrick Lewis
Major Wright*

[Hines]

Which safety will the Steelers end up with? Its not Mays or Berry, but then who is left Kam maybe?

Morgan Burnett for me. Ryan Clark with much, much better ball skills.

[etk]

Barry Church - Toledo

6'2 220 SS. Looking to make 1st team All-MAC for the 4th time since he started out as a true freshman. He's kinda slow so he's probably a mid-round guy.

Van Eskridge is a solid FS. Decent athlete and a tackling machine.

Chad Jones and Ahmad Black could declare early.

[HeavyLeggedWaistBender]

Is it terrible if I hope Mays tears his ACL so the Bears can get him?

...or should I just keep praying that we trade the next two firsts for Berry?

ugh...see sig

[princefielder28]

So...in no particular order (just names to keep up with)

Eric Berry*
Taylor Mays
Deunta Williams*
Reshad Jones*
Kam Chancellor
Morgan Burnett*
Justin Woodall
Kendrick Lewis
Major Wright*

Don't forget Antonio Baker

[Big_Pete]

It looks deep again next year at S

once again I would expect alot of them to slip, it is hard to see more than a couple going in each of the first couple of rounds

There is just too much talent at other premium positions such as DE, DT, 3-4 OLB etc

One thought though, are there any S that could legitimately play WLB in a 4-3?
There seem to be quite a few big physical safeties next year

[CC.SD]

I give this about 15 posts before this whole thread turns into Eric Berry vs. Taylor Mays.

What would the other 14 posts be about? :D

Mays is basically the human equivalent of a nuclear bomb, if the average person is a pop rock.

[wicket]

Just for a little homer input:
Kyle McCarthey is a SS that is gonna make some team REALLY happy. Won't be much more than a late rounder due to measurables that wont blow you away. 6'1 203 with probably a 4.55 40 or something but the guy is a true baller. Id happily take him in one of the last rounds just cuz he plays as hard as he does. Kinda comparable with Kevin Ellison from USC last year, just a bit more of a pure safety.

[Dam8610]

Morgan Burnett for me. Ryan Clark with much, much better ball skills.

You stay away from him, the Steelers don't need more good defenders, and they already stole a good safety from the Colts.

[Hines]

You stay away from him, the Steelers don't need more good defenders, and they already stole a good safety from the Colts.

They did? Who?

[TACKLE]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2007-10/33520761.jpg

Reshad Jones should be a 1st round pick and a potential Top 20 pick. He's a 6'2 212 and is a really complete safety. He can lay the wood, can make solid tackles but is also fast and athletic in coverage. In 2008 as a soph, he had 76 tackles and 5 INT's. Jones is definitely a guy to be aware of.

[Dam8610]

They did? Who?

Think about it. What good safety do they have?

[Hines]

Think about it. What good safety do they have?

We don't have a "good" safety. We have a great one named Troy Polamalu. :D

[DeathbyStat]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/photo/2007-10/33520761.jpg

Reshad Jones should be a 1st round pick and a potential Top 20 pick. He's a 6'2 212 and is a really complete safety. He can lay the wood, can make solid tackles but is also fast and athletic in coverage. In 2008 as a soph, he had 76 tackles and 5 INT's. Jones is definitely a guy to be aware of.

I'm on this kids band wagon...i think he is the best guy after berry

[RedVision]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00Om5rE5dsdU2/610x.jpg

All-Big12 safety Jordan Lake

this will be a great year for safeties

[TACKLE]

I like Van Eskridge. He's a FS at ECU and he had a really nice really in '08 with 97 tackles, 4 INT's, 2 FF and 1 TD and as First Team Conferences USA. He's listed at 6'0 200 and has solid speed. I saw a bit of the ECU- Kentucky game and I actually remember him making some plays. He's listed as rivals #8 DB in the nation which kind of re-sparked my interested in him. He's not a first rounder or anything but a guy in this safety class you should be aware of.

[Mr. Stiller]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00Om5rE5dsdU2/610x.jpg

All-Big12 safety Jordan Lake

this will be a great year for safeties

I love this kid, a lot of fun to watch.

[Staubach12]

I love to scout talented Safeties and these past two years have been mediocre to a T. There was one guy I would have taken in the first these past two years: DaJuan Morgan. This year looks stacked and that gets me extremely pumped.

[SKim172]

Of course, as a RU homer, I gotta say:


Zaire Kitchen.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eg68we8rW2ix/340x.jpg
Skills!

http://blog.syracuse.com/today/2007/10/large_large_nesheiwat.jpg
Desire!

http://blog.nj.com/rutgers_football/2008/08/rutgerskitchen.JPG
Boom!


And the artistic shot:

http://blog.nj.com/rutgers_football/2008/11/medium_rutgers-football-zaire-kitchen.jpg
Graceful!


6'2", 215 lbs, known for his hitting ability, but he'll be in that free safety spot this year. Has a knack for turnovers. He's had three separate ACL knee surgeries since high school, but he does make a difference for the defense on the field.

Poised to have a great season as a full-time starter.

Of course, probably undrafted, but y'know, I had to throw the name out there.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm pretty dissapointed with Lefeged. I'd thought he'd be much better than he is considering his freshman year. I had higher hopes for him so hopefully he can turn it back around this year.

[YAYareaRB]

Chad Jones

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Chick+fil+A+Bowl+chQzQs-x6oGl.jpg

I love his combination of size and athleticism. He's gonna be real good. Doubled as an outfielder on the LSU National Championship Baseball team.

[TitansCJftw]

I like Van Eskridge. He's a FS at ECU and he had a really nice really in '08 with 97 tackles, 4 INT's, 2 FF and 1 TD and as First Team Conferences USA. He's listed at 6'0 200 and has solid speed. I saw a bit of the ECU- Kentucky game and I actually remember him making some plays. He's listed as rivals #8 DB in the nation which kind of re-sparked my interested in him. He's not a first rounder or anything but a guy in this safety class you should be aware of.

I'll 2nd this post, eskridge isnt a speedster but he has legit 4.5 speed, as a freshman at the listed size you posted he played in every game and started 6 games at outside linebacker before the move to safety his sophmore year where he recored 104 tackles on the season which should give you a hint about his tackling ability(or about a pourous ecu front line, even though these days thats no longer the case), he isnt exactly a ball hawk but he is all over the field, also agreed he is no 1st round talent but will be great value likely on day 2 to whoever drafts him

[Staubach12]

Chad Jones

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Chick+fil+A+Bowl+chQzQs-x6oGl.jpg

I love his combination of size and athleticism. He's gonna be real good. Doubled as an outfielder on the LSU National Championship Baseball team.

Yeah, he's got skills. I think with a good year, he could be that #3 guy.

[Big_Pete]

Barry Church - Toledo

6'2 220 SS. Looking to make 1st team All-MAC for the 4th time since he started out as a true freshman. He's kinda slow so he's probably a mid-round guy.


how would Church go as a LB prospect? at 6'2" 220 he certainly has the size to make the switch

[mellojello]

I haven't seen enough of Taylor Mays to have a strong opinion of him.I think you have to watch this guy IN PERSON to understand what he brings to the field. My initial reaction to the first time seeing him was that he must be on steroids. The fact that he doesn't get a lot of interceptions is one of the stupidest criticisms I hear of him. He owns the secondary. He is HUGE and FAST and he can get anywhere on the field with stupid speed. Come into his territory and you'll be his next YouTube highlight. You can see that he's in the heads of opposing receivers because if you dare throw into his territory (and he knows that teams will eventually have to take their shots), you will pay the price of admission. This guy should not be allowed to play in college because he may permanently injur or kill someone (I'm 100% serious). While he is my favorite defensive player in college, it is simply rediculous that Pete Caroll was able to convince this guy to come back for one more year. Just for the record, I am not an SC fan.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

After watching the Tech game I came away completely unimpressed with Kam Chancellor and he will definitely be dropping a ton in my safety rankings. Sure he's really big but he looked so slow and lost in coverage. Also he has very average instincts. Seemingly every big play by Alabama was on him. He also got trucked a couple times. Cody Grimm who doesn't have a millionth of the physical gifts of Chancellor showed me a lot more. I think a change to OLB on the NFL level appears to be more likely for Chancellor. He reminds me of Nic Harris.

[Malaka]

After watching the Tech game I came away completely unimpressed with Kam Chancellor and he will definitely be dropping a ton in my safety rankings. Sure he's really big but he looked so slow and lost in coverage. Also he has very average instincts. Seemingly every big play by Alabama was on him. He also got trucked a couple times. Cody Grimm who doesn't have a millionth of the physical gifts of Chancellor showed me a lot more. I think a change to OLB on the NFL level appears to be more likely for Chancellor. He reminds me of Nic Harris.

I totally agree, he has looked terrible in pass coverage and almost as bad against the run. Maybe, he just having a bad night, but he has been really bad tonight.

A switch to OLB, is not completely out of the question if he bulks up but I still think he can be solely drafted as a hard-hitting SS.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

He just looks too clunky for me in coverage. He isn't very smooth and doesn't carry his weight well where it is. I think as a project he could be an impact speedy backer.

[superman8456]

Taylor Mays is sucking against Ohio St.

[Malaka]

Taylor Mays is sucking against Ohio St.

Well I haven't watched the whole game, but the only bad thing I've seen from Mays is that hit with Herron and that wasn't necessarily bad on Mays just really good from Boom Herron.

[superman8456]

Well I haven't watched the whole game, but the only bad thing I've seen from Mays is that hit with Herron and that wasn't necessarily bad on Mays just really good from Boom Herron.

He also flat out missed on a tackle on that 56 yard gain to that white WR.

[Sniper]

He also flat out missed on a tackle on that 56 yard gain to that white WR.

He was looking for the INT to make all of his "ZOMGZ HE GETZ NO INTS" haters be quiet. Do what you're good at, Mays.

[Saints-Tigers]

Taylor Mays is sucking against Ohio St.

One play dude.

[superman8456]

He was looking for the INT to make all of his "ZOMGZ HE GETZ NO INTS" haters be quiet. Do what you're good at, Mays.

Missing tackles and getting run over by smaller RB's?

[LonghornsLegend]

LOL, I knew this thread was going to get fired up before we even reached halftime.

[FUNBUNCHER]

I saw Mays get burned on that slant too. I wish people would quit with how fast Mays runs the 40.
He was juked on that slant and NEVER caught back up. He looked stiff, out of position and very mortal.

I'm telling ya, if he shows up at the combine weighing over 230 pounds, some GM is going whisper in Mays' ear has he ever considered playing OLB at the next level??

[ToldLikeItIs]

I'm sure Eric Berry has taken a bad angle once in his career.

[D-Unit]

Lovin' the hate on Taylor Mays. Same guys who will say later that they loved him all along.

Fact of the matter is that outside of 1 play where he took a bad angle to tackle the WR, he's shutdown everything deep for the Buckeyes. First play he went out of the game, Pryor nailed one deep. Then he came back and Pryor is now whining like a prima donna. Mays also had a nice wrap up on the punt returner.

[Thumper]

Really? Mays is doing good IMO. He is all around the ball, throwing his body around, he threw Terrell Pryor to the ground, he laid the lumber against Herron. He got injured and Ohio State immediately completed a long pass over the middle. The play he was burned on he over-pursued and took a bad angle, that is all he has done wrong. He is hitting hard and is always around the ball. His closing speed is incredible, but he is not a 4.2 guy while running in a straight line.

[P-L]

People overreacted to that one play. Mays is playing as good as he always plays.

[D-Unit]

I saw Mays get burned on that slant too. I wish people would quit with how fast Mays runs the 40.
He was juked on that slant and NEVER caught back up. He looked stiff, out of position and very mortal.

I'm telling ya, if he shows up at the combine weighing over 230 pounds, some GM is going whisper in Mays' ear has he ever considered playing OLB at the next level??
Get real. He's 6'3, not 5'11. He carries a fluid 230 pounds of lean muscle mass. The GM that asks him to play LB is a bafoon.

6'3, 250-255 lbs is good NFL LB size.

[Thumper]

Also for what its worth, Morgan Burnett is the third safety not Reshad Jones or Chad Jones.

[FUNBUNCHER]

No hate at all.

Mays got beat because he was flat-footed. On the slant, the receiver cut right in front of Mays and he couldn't recover to pursue. I didn't see it on tape, but it looked like Mays almost fell down. IMO he looked really stiff on that play, it had nothing to do with taking a bad angle.

EDIT: You're the first person I've heard describe Mays as fluid in coverage, considering he's rarely in a position where he has to open up his hips, turn and run in close coverage.

He's not wooden, but he is a little stiff in coverage IMO.

[Thumper]

No hate at all.

Mays got beat because he was flat-footed. On the slant, the receiver cut right in front of Mays and he couldn't recover to pursue. I didn't see it on tape, but it looked like Mays almost fell down. IMO he looked really stiff on that play, it had nothing to do with taking a bad angle.

Mays was going for the knock out hit. He thought the receiver was going to keep running foward, but he saw Mays coming and knew damn well he didn't want that to happen so he cut back and Mays was coming in so quick that when he cut back Mays was left helpless to make the tackle, he over-pursued the play going for the knockout hit.

[FUNBUNCHER]

I mean, it was a called slant play, Pryor threw the ball to the slot WR.

It was designed to cut back towards the middle of the field. I believe the WR caught the ball after he cut away in front of Mays.

But what shocked me was for 50+ yards after the play, Mays was nowhere to be seen. That's why all the noise about how fast he is doesn't translate all the time to his play on the field.

When Mays got beat, I expected the play to maybe go for 20-30 yards, not 50.

[D-Unit]

Taylor Mays making a tackle on the RB at the LOS. Ridiculous.

[Hines]

A huge devil inside of me wished/wishes that the injury to Mays was bad enough to where he drops to the Steelers in round 1.

But I wouldn't mind the Steelers to pick up a local boy, Barry Church to take Tyrone Carter's spot next season or the year after.

[bhaarat316]

The more I watch this game, I have a feeling that by season end i'm going to like Berry more than Mays.


I thought they were going to play Mays up more, closer to the line?

[Saints-Tigers]

Mays has still never stood out, he never looks like a superstar, he always looks like just one of the guys.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Berry must have had a dozen tackles today. He killed it against the run and even made special teams tackles. Didn't get a chance to make any plays on the pass really as UCLA never looked his way really. He was one of the few good things about today's abomanation of a game.

[SuperKevin]

Berry must have had a dozen tackles today. He killed it against the run and even made special teams tackles. Didn't get a chance to make any plays on the pass really as UCLA never looked his way really. He was one of the few good things about today's abomanation of a game.

Rahim Moore was the best safety in the game :)

[TACKLE]

Rahim Moore was the best safety in the game :)

Can't believe he's only a sophomore. He's been playing out of his mind in the last two games.

[GhostDeini]

If they don't mention Taylor Mays and his measureables would we even know he's playing ?

[Hurricanes25]

If they don't mention Taylor Mays and his measureables would we even know he's playing ?

Agreed. The production is just not there.

[Thumper]

At first Mays started out hot, he was in on three straight plays to open the game and I was prepared to change my views on him. I excused the big play, thinking it was him going for the knockout hit. But as the game went on I noticed him less and less, he was no longer flying to the ball like he was earlier, his closing speed had seemingly flown out the window.

Here is what I gathered from his performance:
-Tough, he played through a sprained knee which could be the reason why he didn't seem the same later in the game
-Plays extremely hard, he will throw his body into the pile at the last second no matter what he plays with a blatant disregard for his and others safety.
-He does not have 4.2 speed nor does he have 4.3 speed. He was burned on the slant play and I saw later on he was beat deep but Pryor overthrew him.
-He needs to wrap up, I saw at least two plays where he made the hit and didn't wrap up and the player kept going but they were knocked off balance, and if they were bigger they would've been gone, in the NFL that is not going to fly.
- He was playing in the red-zone where he didn't have the luxury of defending the deep pass and he played a WR one on one and would have given up a TD had the WR not dropped it.
- He has little lateral agility, on the screen play he showed this and on a bubble screen pass he showed this, he is flat footed. He flies to the ball but he doesn't flow to the ball and this is taken advantage of because he comes in with such speed and ferocity all the runner has to do is sidestep and they have room to run and Mays lacks the body control to stop on a dime and lacks the lateral agility to move side to side to make the play. He is a straight line athlete.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Rahim Moore was the best safety in the game :)

If Eric Berry were going up against Jonathan Crompton, he'd have about 5 INTs in one game.

[bhaarat316]

I still think Mays is going to get injured worse this year, since he is playing closer to the line with the Rbs and linemen.

He has never really had to deal with Rbs and linemen, last year playing that deep cover 1. Now that he does, his body is gonna take an extra tole.

I still am not forming my opinion on his speed though. He might have it, but I don't think he has the acceleration, or ability to get to his top speed right away. That first 5-10 yards.

[mellojello]

At first Mays started out hot, he was in on three straight plays to open the game and I was prepared to change my views on him. I excused the big play, thinking it was him going for the knockout hit. But as the game went on I noticed him less and less, he was no longer flying to the ball like he was earlier, his closing speed had seemingly flown out the window.

Here is what I gathered from his performance:
-Tough, he played through a sprained knee which could be the reason why he didn't seem the same later in the game
-Plays extremely hard, he will throw his body into the pile at the last second no matter what he plays with a blatant disregard for his and others safety.
-He does not have 4.2 speed nor does he have 4.3 speed. He was burned on the slant play and I saw later on he was beat deep but Pryor overthrew him.
-He needs to wrap up, I saw at least two plays where he made the hit and didn't wrap up and the player kept going but they were knocked off balance, and if they were bigger they would've been gone, in the NFL that is not going to fly.
- He was playing in the red-zone where he didn't have the luxury of defending the deep pass and he played a WR one on one and would have given up a TD had the WR not dropped it.
- He has little lateral agility, on the screen play he showed this and on a bubble screen pass he showed this, he is flat footed. He flies to the ball but he doesn't flow to the ball and this is taken advantage of because he comes in with such speed and ferocity all the runner has to do is sidestep and they have room to run and Mays lacks the body control to stop on a dime and lacks the lateral agility to move side to side to make the play. He is a straight line athlete.Personally, I didn't think Mays was the same after his leg injury, which probably explains a lot of what you saw. Not saying you specifically, but I'm not sure why everyone is questioning his speed. Before the injury, you can see Pryor's speed and Mays negating it tells me that, well both are fast. Whatever his 40 time is, he is fast and I've seen it with my own eyes. It's very difficult to appreciate a players closing speed on the TV imo, especially a safety since he's hardly even in the picture most of the time. I will say that him not wrapping up is probably legit. I've seen him do that on more than one occasion.

[Babylon]

I don't have any problem with Mays' size/speed and hitting ability. What stands out to me is his inability to play the ball. We'll see if he can be put in a better position to succeed at the next level but something tells me Pete Carroll maximizes players in that area.

[wicket]

As only one of three players that performed on ND's defense last saturday Kyle McCarthey showed again imo that he is a rocksolid option for someone at strong safety. Not to much upside but the guy is a baller

[TitanHope]

Rahim Moore was the best safety in the game :)

Berry broke Kevin Price's jaw.

Point to Berry. :D

[ToldLikeItIs]

Tyler Sash Iowa needs to atleast get a little recognition in this thread, based on production alone.

20 tackles, 3 TFL, 3 INT, 1 FF, and 2 pass breakups his first two games.

He's 6'1 220 SS, and a Soph.

[katnip]

Eric Berry is the best Safety prospect too me with his playmaking ability. Although.. I like a big, heavy hitters too. Like, Taylor Mays

Does The-U have any NFL prospects at Safety?

[bhaarat316]

Eric Berry is a combo of Ed Reed ball skills, and a bit of Troy Polamalu, size and speed wise, even hitting but not as reckless.

[Sniper]

Tyler Sash Iowa needs to atleast get a little recognition in this thread, based on production alone.

20 tackles, 3 TFL, 3 INT, 1 FF, and 2 pass breakups his first two games.

He's 6'1 220 SS, and a Soph.

Will he outgrow the S spot?

[JRTPlaya21]

Where is Shane Carter in Scott's rankings?

[mattrice]

Anybody ever see Greg James from La-Monroe play? It's such a small school, that I don't think anybody has ever heard of him, but I saw him play a few years back and he seems to have a sixth sense of where the ball is going to be. Just wondering if he was a one year wonder, or the competition he plays against is a joke.

[Babylon]

Georgia Tech has two good ones, Morgan Burnett and Cooper Taylor. I'd keep an eye on those two tonight.

[ToldLikeItIs]

6'1 220

Tyler Sash stats through 16 college games (12 of which he started)

88 Tackles, 11 INT, 25 yard INT average, 3 FF, 8 Pass Breakups, 6 TFL, 1 Sack

I don't believe he'll outgrow the safety spot no.

[broncofan4lyfe]

www.ericberry4heisman.com...

But, Berry is a junior and although I do not foresee him staying in college for his senior year. Until Eric Berry declares for the draft, Taylor Mays is the best safety in this years draft class.

[D-Unit]

So Taylor Mays doesn't play and USC loses to Washington... Hmm.... Coincidence? I don't think so.

[Thumper]

So Taylor Mays doesn't play and USC loses to Washington... Hmm.... Coincidence? I don't think so.

I think it is. I mean it isn't like Mays would've made a game changing play or anything...

[Saints-Tigers]

ROFL, the fact that they could only get 16 points even with Mays gone shows how overrated his impact is on the Trojan D.

[D-Unit]

ROFL, the fact that they could only get 16 points even with Mays gone shows how overrated his impact is on the Trojan D.
What kind of logic is that? So now the # of points an opponent scores is a sign of player impact? Does Locker march down the field on that last drive with Taylor Mays in the game? No. His impact is huge. Don't get confused.

[D-Unit]

I think it is. I mean it isn't like Mays would've made a game changing play or anything...
This might be the dumbest post I've ever seen. ...and I've seen A LOT.

[Babylon]

What kind of logic is that? So now the # of points an opponent scores is a sign of player impact? Does Locker march down the field on that last drive with Taylor Mays in the game? No. His impact is huge. Don't get confused.

The passes he was completing were to the outside against corners. Mays may have had an impact in the first 3+ quarters but doubt he would've on that last drive, we'll never know.

[Saints-Tigers]

What kind of logic is that? So now the # of points an opponent scores is a sign of player impact? Does Locker march down the field on that last drive with Taylor Mays in the game? No. His impact is huge. Don't get confused.

It was your logic, you said if Mays was there they would have less points(by them not scoring on the last drive).

Just saying, Mays is supposed to be Mr. Everything, his presence is what shuts down all offenses because they can't air it out. Well, Mays' helpless teammates held Jake Locker and company to 16 points.

[SuperKevin]

Since when was this Washington offense this massive powerhouse that was expected to put up a ton of points? 16 points against USC is probably the best they could do regardless

[Saints-Tigers]

Exactly, they were getting 16 points with or without Mays. Matt Barkley not being there is probably what cost USC more than anything... After Aaron Corp's performance, I don't know how anyone can pin that on Mays being out.

[SuperKevin]

What's the stat? Taylor Mays has never allowed a pass play of more than 30 yards or something like that? Well with him in the game, Locker doesn't convert a 3rd and 17 with a 31 yard pass to Jermaine Kearse to get into the redzone, allowing them to tie the game at 10 with a FG.

[Babylon]

Drew McCalister actually filled in pretty well, he had 4 tackles and was never out of position from what i saw.

Let's be real here for a Washington to beat a SC a lot of things have to go right. It didnt hurt that Mays was out, Joe McKnight was hobbling and Matt Barkley didnt play. Whatever it takes Husky fans arent complaining.

[YAYareaRB]

Well, Mays' helpless teammates held Jake Locker and company to 16 points.

That may be a bigger reason.

[D-Unit]

Exactly, they were getting 16 points with or without Mays. Matt Barkley not being there is probably what cost USC more than anything... After Aaron Corp's performance, I don't know how anyone can pin that on Mays being out.
LOL at you sounding so factual. I could easily say Washington doesn't score 16 point with Mays. There's no difference in your statement and that one.

I'll go back to my original statement.... Coincidence? I don't think so.

I'm not saying Mays was everything, but it certainly made the day easier for the ex-USC coaching staff who knew exactly what to do against the players they coached last year.

[Saints-Tigers]

Ok, I say Matt Barkley being out made a bigger difference. The defense held them to 16 points, there isn't a whole lot more you can ask for. The offense was like 0-13 on 3rd down... USC had 250 rushing yards.... someone under C failed.

[Thumper]

This might be the dumbest post I've ever seen. ...and I've seen A LOT.

But he is not a game changer and you and I both know it, Mays does not affect the game and we saw that against Washington. Regardless of whether he is there or not the SC defense still does extremely well and you act as if he is some kind of key to the defense. We saw it was all scheme as his replacement did the exact same things Mays did. Mays wouldn't have made a game changing play, he hardly ever does.

And my logic is dumb? Any reason why you think it was a coincidence? How many big pass plays did Washington actually use over the middle? Taylor Mays would've been playing deep center field just like he always does and he wouldn't have done anything to stop a dink and dunk drive that was put together by Washington that used mostly short routes and the running game.

Mays is not a game changer and him not playing had no bearing on why USC lost, I'm thinking losing your starting QB had a lot more to do with it than losing a scheme player in Taylor Mays that doesn't make any plays.

[FUNBUNCHER]

What's the stat? Taylor Mays has never allowed a pass play of more than 30 yards or something like that? Well with him in the game, Locker doesn't convert a 3rd and 17 with a 31 yard pass to Jermaine Kearse to get into the redzone, allowing them to tie the game at 10 with a FG.

Mays had that streak broken against Ohio State this year. But I'm sure he'll be given credit for the reason why USC lost, because he wasn't playing.

[the decider13]

What's the stat? Taylor Mays has never allowed a pass play of more than 30 yards or something like that? Well with him in the game, Locker doesn't convert a 3rd and 17 with a 31 yard pass to Jermaine Kearse to get into the redzone, allowing them to tie the game at 10 with a FG.

You have won, the discussion should be over

[D-Unit]

But he is not a game changer and you and I both know it, Mays does not affect the game and we saw that against Washington. Regardless of whether he is there or not the SC defense still does extremely well and you act as if he is some kind of key to the defense. We saw it was all scheme as his replacement did the exact same things Mays did. Mays wouldn't have made a game changing play, he hardly ever does.

And my logic is dumb? Any reason why you think it was a coincidence? How many big pass plays did Washington actually use over the middle? Taylor Mays would've been playing deep center field just like he always does and he wouldn't have done anything to stop a dink and dunk drive that was put together by Washington that used mostly short routes and the running game.

Mays is not a game changer and him not playing had no bearing on why USC lost, I'm thinking losing your starting QB had a lot more to do with it than losing a scheme player in Taylor Mays that doesn't make any plays.
For you to keep saying that Taylor Mays has no impact in the games he plays in, just makes me not want to read anything you have to say anymore. That's just a ridiculous notion.

[Saints-Tigers]

You have won, the discussion should be over

It's a bogus stat anyway, Terrelle Pryor put one right in that area, the guy made a cut, blew past Mays and flew down field right where Mays is supposed to be making his game changing presence.

If Mays reacted faster, he could have come up and broke the ball up or *gasp* tried to intercept it, but he didn't, cuz he plays too deep, so he can prevent the big play, but he whiffed on that too.

How does this even work in the NFL? Even if guys ARE actually sooooo afraid of Taylor Mays that they never throw near him, that **** isn't going to work in the NFL, no one is going to be afraid to throw at him unless he starts making teams pay for mistakes.

Seriously, at some point, the excuses need to stop, this was supposed to be the year where he's coming up and making his presence felt, the only evidence that he has a huge impact is that USC gave up 16 points in his absence? Child please.

[Rosebud]

Well, if mays is in the game who's too say that USC doesn't move up their corners to try and counter the dink and dunk since they know they're safe deep? I didn't watch the game so I don't know whether USC's corners were giving them too much room or whether washington's receivers were just beasting over them anyway, but what I do know is that when you have a safety who cleans up the deep ball it lets you be a lot more aggressive in front of him and that aggression can go a big way to preventing a team from dink and dunking their way up the field.

[Saints-Tigers]

Seriously? We're stuck on that last drive? If Taylor Mays is in, it might be a totally different game. Maybe Pete Carroll decides to let Mays fly up to the line on some play and they get beat deep early?

The what if game is kind of pointless, USC held Washington to 16 points. They got the job done, with the talent USC has on offense, if they held every opponent to 16, they should go undefeated.

[D-Unit]

Seriously? We're stuck on that last drive? If Taylor Mays is in, it might be a totally different game. Maybe Pete Carroll decides to let Mays fly up to the line on some play and they get beat deep early?

The what if game is kind of pointless, USC held Washington to 16 points. They got the job done, with the talent USC has on offense, if they held every opponent to 16, they should go undefeated.
You can't say the what if game is kind of pointless and then say "if" they held every opponent to 16, they should go undefeated. Bite your own bullet.

If Mays was there, he would've made a difference and Washington may not have scored enough to win. Only a fool would think he's a nonfactor.

[D-Unit]

It's a bogus stat anyway, Terrelle Pryor put one right in that area, the guy made a cut, blew past Mays and flew down field right where Mays is supposed to be making his game changing presence.

If Mays reacted faster, he could have come up and broke the ball up or *gasp* tried to intercept it, but he didn't, cuz he plays too deep, so he can prevent the big play, but he whiffed on that too.

How does this even work in the NFL? Even if guys ARE actually sooooo afraid of Taylor Mays that they never throw near him, that **** isn't going to work in the NFL, no one is going to be afraid to throw at him unless he starts making teams pay for mistakes.

Seriously, at some point, the excuses need to stop, this was supposed to be the year where he's coming up and making his presence felt, the only evidence that he has a huge impact is that USC gave up 16 points in his absence? Child please.
Mays has always made his presence felt. Stop being a blind hater. You can crucify him all you want for that one play because fact of the matter is that you have nothing else to crucify him for. A 4 year starter and you only have that as ammo? And you say he's a nonfactor? You're so hung up on stats. Do you realize how unimportant stats are to NFL scouts? Child please. Better recognize.

[Saints-Tigers]

I don't really care what is important to NFL scouts. These are the guys that take Matt Jones in the first round because he is a monster physically.

I'm not a blind hater, I don't even hate him, he has great physical tools, but he isn't dominating games like you say he is.

Anyway, the premise was stupid, because if Matt Barkley was there and they hung 35 on Washington or something, that wouldn't make Mays any more or less of a player, but you wouldn't have brought it up that USC rolled without him, and this game was an offensive failure.

You're seriously arguing how valuable the game would have been different when the defense did a good job. They didn't even give up any TD passes to Locker, who did a damn good job against a healthy LSU D.

If Taylor Mays is the whole pass D, like is being implied, why didn't they get scorched all game, or why didn't Locker kill them down field the whole time?

Point is, that game wasn't lost because of a poor defensive effort, or because they were incapable of stopping passes, it was lost because they couldn't move the ball.

Do they win with Mays? Maybe, but they were great defensively even without him.

I know you love his measurables, and you were pimping Mays real hard before the season, and admitting you were wrong is hard, but that other safety is starting the season on a tear once again, making huge plays all over the field.

From the nickel back spot, from either safety spot, and in a lot of deep zones in cover 2, it doesn't matter, he's killing it from everywhere.

Edit: and if you really do want to go the "what scouts think" route, like every credible scout has Mays as the second ranked safety.

[murdamal86]

So after Saturday's performance there really shouldn't even be a Mays vs. Berry debate anymore; Berry is clearly better

[Babylon]

So after Saturday's performance there really shouldn't even be a Mays vs. Berry debate anymore; Berry is clearly better

I don't think it took till saturday to determine that but for the sake of not knocking one guy to pump up another May's is pretty darn impressive.

[D-Unit]

I don't really care what is important to NFL scouts. These are the guys that take Matt Jones in the first round because he is a monster physically.
Then I now know that you don't know what it takes to judge a player's talent.


I'm not a blind hater, I don't even hate him, he has great physical tools, but he isn't dominating games like you say he is.
Oh you hate him. Don't deny that now. He sucks to you. Why backtrack? Stick to your guns. He's one of the best in the country. I admit that he may not be the #1 best, but he's definitely an big time impact player for his team and they missed him this past weekend.

Anyway, the premise was stupid, because if Matt Barkley was there and they hung 35 on Washington or something, that wouldn't make Mays any more or less of a player, but you wouldn't have brought it up that USC rolled without him, and this game was an offensive failure.

You're seriously arguing how valuable the game would have been different when the defense did a good job. They didn't even give up any TD passes to Locker, who did a damn good job against a healthy LSU D.
I'm not denying that the offense was a big reason that they lost. But you act like it's the only reason. Mays is a game changer and anytime you lose a player like that, no matter what team you are, you are faced with a tall task. I believe he would've brought an impact that could've limited Washington to less than 16 points.

If Taylor Mays is the whole pass D, like is being implied, why didn't they get scorched all game, or why didn't Locker kill them down field the whole time?
I've never said that. Learn to imply better.

Point is, that game wasn't lost because of a poor defensive effort, or because they were incapable of stopping passes, it was lost because they couldn't move the ball.
I accept that was part of it, but that defensive effort would've been better with Mays and that is undeniable.

Do they win with Mays? Maybe, but they were great defensively even without him.
They weren't great enough. Mays could've been the difference between a win and a loss.

I know you love his measurables, and you were pimping Mays real hard before the season, and admitting you were wrong is hard, but that other safety is starting the season on a tear once again, making huge plays all over the field. From the nickel back spot, from either safety spot, and in a lot of deep zones in cover 2, it doesn't matter, he's killing it from everywhere.

Edit: and if you really do want to go the "what scouts think" route, like every credible scout has Mays as the second ranked safety.
Just to let you know, I'm not one of those guys who believes that he runs a 4.2. No way. I can't believe that. But I am in his camp and I think he's a Top 10 pro prospect. I do have to admit that Berry is justified as the best safety by those who said it. Top 5 player. I tried to go against the grain on this one by defending Mays over Berry. I enjoy going against the grain sometimes. It's makes posting more fun for me, when I do. But I realize that in doing so, I will come up looking wrong sometimes and I'm ok with that. I'm not one of those guys who refuse the truth to be right. I'm fine with people ranking Berry ahead of Mays. But you best believe, if Mays does more amazing things this year, I'm gonna be shouting from the mountain tops! ;)

He's a fun guy to cheer for.

[Rosebud]

I find it amusing that so many people either love mays or berry while trashing the other guy. Both are studs and future top ten picks. One just happens to be more of a playmaker while the other is more of a shutdown DB. Why does one have to suck for the other to get love?

[JFLO]

I find it amusing that so many people either love mays or berry while trashing the other guy. Both are studs and future top ten picks. One just happens to be more of a playmaker while the other is more of a shutdown DB. Why does one have to suck for the other to get love?

I like both of them, Berry more but I like Taylor Mays future.

I think I currently have Berry ranked #1 overall while I have Mays #5.

[Saints-Tigers]

I would take Mays if Berry wasn't on the board, but the hyperbole for what he does, instead of what he's capable of doing is pretty high.

Just because I disagree about him doesn't mean I hate him, or think he sucks. That's middle school ****, just because I disagree with you, you try to label me.

Sorry if I don't think scouts are the be all and end all to any argument, they make plenty of mistakes, just like the rest of us.

[YAYareaRB]

Taylor Mays can come and play for Mike Singletary

[San Diego Chicken]

Saints-Tigers doesn't do a good job of hiding his bias. If I remember correctly, he absolutely railed against Mark Sanchez too (it's early, but Sanchez looks absolutley fabulous so far).

You really can't try to evaluate players based on emotion.

[Saints-Tigers]

I don't like Mark Sanchez as a prospect. I like Taylor Mays as a prospect. I like Chris Galippo as a prospect, I loved Matt Leinart, Mike Williams, and Dwayne Jarrett(damn), I like Everson Griffen now, I like just about all of the backs.

I like Taylor Mays. I'm sorry if I can see flaws in a player. I'm such a hater for not thinking they are perfection :(

Still not big on Mark Sanchez.

[OhioState]

I really think that Kurt Coleman deserves a little mention in here. He has been really solid this year, and was last year. A good in the box safety who can also play the pass. I like his skills, his mentality and his leadership.

[bhaarat316]

I don't like Mark Sanchez as a prospect. I like Taylor Mays as a prospect. I like Chris Galippo as a prospect, I loved Matt Leinart, Mike Williams, and Dwayne Jarrett(damn), I like Everson Griffen now, I like just about all of the backs.

I like Taylor Mays. I'm sorry if I can see flaws in a player. I'm such a hater for not thinking they are perfection :(

Still not big on Mark Sanchez.

hmmm so far players you like end up being not so good. We have yet to see Sanchez

[twizbuck]

I really think that Kurt Coleman deserves a little mention in here. He has been really solid this year, and was last year. A good in the box safety who can also play the pass. I like his skills, his mentality and his leadership.

I came on here just to comment on this as well after seeing the current rankings Scott has up. Not only outside of the top 20, but behind a fellow teammate he has clearly been better than. Now, I don't know when those rankings were put up or when he'll change them, but Coleman has been a stud on the Bucks D, making tackles all over the field, making good reads in pass D and moving well from sideline to sideline. I'm not saying he's an elite prospect, but he deserves far more love than he's getting.

[bhaarat316]

Dominique Harris - SS 6'2 215

[SenorGato]

I find it amusing that so many people either love mays or berry while trashing the other guy. Both are studs and future top ten picks. One just happens to be more of a playmaker while the other is more of a shutdown DB. Why does one have to suck for the other to get love?

Berry is both a top playmaker and a shutdown DB.

I still think he can play CB.

My favorite player on the USC D is Griffen.

[danzing1488]

Just for a little homer input:
Kyle McCarthey is a SS that is gonna make some team REALLY happy. Won't be much more than a late rounder due to measurables that wont blow you away. 6'1 203 with probably a 4.55 40 or something but the guy is a true baller. Id happily take him in one of the last rounds just cuz he plays as hard as he does. Kinda comparable with Kevin Ellison from USC last year, just a bit more of a pure safety.

I know you mean this as a compliment, but I think, as usual with the Kyle Mccarthy's, Jordy Nelson's & Eric Weddle's of the college football world, everyone just assumes that they are "blue collar, lunch pail type overachievers" and that is NOT the case with Mccarthy. #1, he is 6'1 and 210lbs JACKED, very similar to Laron Landry. #2 He is going to run, AT WORST, a 4.5, but most likely a mid to high 4.4 time, which for a safety is great. #3 He has the stats to warrant a 2nd round pick. I don't know why you would think he is a "late rounder" with the attributes that he possesses. In my opinion, he is a top 5 safety in this class, and if he continues to play at this level the rest of the season, and times a sub 4.5 at the combine, I think he has a good shot at sneaking in the bottom half of the first round....just my humble opinion :)

[Thumper]

Congrats to Taylor Mays on his first interception in 2 seasons!

Fantastic performance by Taylor Mays tonight, he made an interception in the endzone, there were no big plays over the middle, he was in on the action, he hit some people and I watched him stretch Jahvid Best's run out and then he tackled him, he actually looked like he could run a 4.3 on that play, he was stride for stride with Best. Also I think I finally realized why he doesn't look fast, he is so tall. You know how tall people don't look fast because of their longer stride? Like Kenny Britt last season? That is what I think the problem with Mays is, he is a longstrider. Also he covers a TON of ground out deep in center field.

If he plays like that from now on, I will support him more often.

[ToldLikeItIs]

Tyler Sash had 8 tackles, 1.5 TFL, an interception, a forced fumble, and a break up.

Accumulated year statistics through five games:

38 tackles, 5 interceptions, 2 forced fumbles, 4 tackle for loss, 4 pass break ups

[Saints-Tigers]

Yup, Mays looked really good, glad to see the injury won't be an issue.

+rep to Taylor Mays.

[ToldLikeItIs]

Tyler Sash is having a statistically superior year to both Eric Berry and Taylor Mays.

In his first 17 games as a collegiate Sash has 100 tackles, 13 interceptions, 4 forced fumbles, 10 tackles for loss, and 10 break ups.

[Saints-Tigers]

Ok, I admit, he's better than Eric Berry.

Happy?

[ToldLikeItIs]

Well I 100% disagree with that, so no.

[Babylon]

Congrats to Taylor Mays on his first interception in 2 seasons!

Fantastic performance by Taylor Mays tonight, he made an interception in the endzone, there were no big plays over the middle, he was in on the action, he hit some people and I watched him stretch Jahvid Best's run out and then he tackled him, he actually looked like he could run a 4.3 on that play, he was stride for stride with Best. Also I think I finally realized why he doesn't look fast, he is so tall. You know how tall people don't look fast because of their longer stride? Like Kenny Britt last season? That is what I think the problem with Mays is, he is a longstrider. Also he covers a TON of ground out deep in center field.

If he plays like that from now on, I will support him more often.

From what i saw that was what you expect out of Taylor Mays, all over the field and getting his hat on the ball carrier. The interception was about a day late by the QB but mays covered about 40yards (which i timed at 4.45 haha)and he made it look easy.

[wordofi]

How come there's no talk of moving Mays to linebacker? The guy already has the size and would have excellent speed for the position. The concerns over interceptions would then be removed.

[wonderbredd24]

He's not Eric Berry or Taylor Mays, but Nate Allen is a good player in his own right.

I like his game... center fielding type who can lay the wood when he gets the chance

[foozball]

How come there's no talk of moving Mays to linebacker? The guy already has the size and would have excellent speed for the position. The concerns over interceptions would then be removed.

then there would be concerns about his tackling ability as he isnt known as a great form tackler. plus he would have to learn a new position. keep him at safety.

[HawkEye30]

He's not Eric Berry or Taylor Mays, but Nate Allen is a good player in his own right.

I like his game... center fielding type who can lay the wood when he gets the chance

Agreed, he really stood out in that Syracuse game, it was like he was in on every play. He also has great size and it seems like he has the speed to excel in the pros, maybe not an all pro player, but very reliable.

[foozball]

What's the comparison between Allen and Burnett? Who's faster, has better ballskills, better run defender?

[foozball]

Can yall rank these safeties and give a round grade if they declared?

Eric Berry
Taylor Mays
DeAndre McDaniel
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Deunta Williams
Darrell Stuckey

[Hines]

Can yall rank these safeties and give a round grade if they declared?

Eric Berry
Taylor Mays
DeAndre McDaniel
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Deunta Williams
Darrell Stuckey

IMO:

Berry- top 5
Mays- top 15
Burnett- 1st
McDaniel- late first, early second
Williams- 2nd
Allen- Mid to late 2nd
Stuckey- late second, early third

[SuperKevin]

Can yall rank these safeties and give a round grade if they declared?

Eric Berry
Taylor Mays
DeAndre McDaniel
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Deunta Williams
Darrell Stuckey

Eric Berry-Top 10
Taylor Mays- Top 20
DeAndre McDaniel-Early 2nd
Reshad Jones-Early 2nd
Morgan Burnett- Mid 2nd
Nate Allen- Late 2nd
Darrell Stuckey-Mid 3rd
Deaunta Williams- Early 4th

[JFLO]

Eric Berry - Top 5
Taylor Mays - Top 20
Nate Allen - Late 1st/Early 2nd
Darrell Stuckey - Mid 2nd/Mid 3rd
Reshad Jones Late - 2nd/Late 3rd
Morgan Burnett - Late 2nd/Late 3rd

[Cigaro]

Can yall rank these safeties and give a round grade if they declared?

Eric Berry
Taylor Mays
DeAndre McDaniel
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Deunta Williams
Darrell Stuckey

Eric Berry- Top 5
Taylor Mays- Top 10
DeAndre McDaniel- 1st
Morgan Burnett- 1st
Darrell Stucky- Late 1st/Early 2nd
Nate Allen- 2nd
Deunta Williams- 2nd

[roscoesdad27]

lots of prospects that have and deserve second round projections but this entire draft class is soo deep, not to mention the last year with out a rookie cap, that you have to tweak your projections a bit...i.e. guys that would normally be a second rounder this year will most likely be a third or even fourth rounder...start doing 3 round mocks and you will see what I mean, this class is insanely good.

my top ten safety rankings with tiers

1) e. berry
2) t. mays

3) e. thomas
4) r. jones
5) c. jones

6) n. allen
7) m. burnett
8) d. mcdaniel

9) m. wright
10) k. chancellor

[SAMSONITE]

In what universe is Reshad Jones a 2nd round pick? All he does is get burnt deep all day. He hasn't done a single thing to justify getting drafted, let alone a 2nd round pick.

[aNYtitan]

Can yall rank these safeties and give a round grade if they declared?

Eric Berry
Taylor Mays
DeAndre McDaniel
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Deunta Williams
Darrell Stuckey

Can we add Earl Thomas into this discussion. With the possibility of a cap going forward in the draft, and him playing unbelievable at the moment, there is a good chance he declares to start making his millions. Where does he fit in?

[ToldLikeItIs]

Tyler Sash needs to be atleast top 50.

[SuperKevin]

I'm starting to think Earl Thomas is an Eric Berry clone. He does pretty much all the things Eric Berry does but doesn't get the hype because Eric Berry came along first.

[etk]

I'm starting to think Earl Thomas is an Eric Berry clone. He does pretty much all the things Eric Berry does but doesn't get the hype because Eric Berry came along first.

Eric Berry is freakishly explosive...

Eric Berry is very productive, which is nice, but that's not the reason why he's such a special player.

Jamie Silva did all the things Eric Berry did...

[SuperKevin]

Eric Berry is freakishly explosive...

Eric Berry is very productive, which is nice, but that's not the reason why he's such a special player.

Jamie Silva did all the things Eric Berry did...

Earl Thomas is not Jamie Silva.

I wouldn't be shocked if Thomas has a better career than Berry does

[etk]

Earl Thomas is not Jamie Silva.

I wouldn't be shocked if Thomas has a better career than Berry does

Earl Thomas is not Eric Berry.

I like Thomas a lot and have been a fan of his since before he blew up (production) this year. He's a good athlete and he's very powerful.

Berry is one of the most explosive, agile, all-around athletes to ever play the game. Thomas is not that kind of exceptional.

[D-Unit]

Not a single mention of Robert Johnson. Wow. That's my boy right there.

[SuperKevin]

Not a single mention of Robert Johnson. Wow. That's my boy right there.

Someone made a thread about him today actually

[LonghornsLegend]

Berry actually has some tools that could make a team give him a look at Corner, similiar to Michael Huff a few years back. That's a pretty valuable trait, that alone is going to vault him above some of the other safety prospects, doubt he makes that switch but if he times well no doubt some team will consider him a tweener.


Thomas has incredible instincts and awareness on the field, it always amazes me to see how he breaks on the ball and tracks it in the air. I'm not sure how he'll time in any of the workouts, but I do think that he'll give coming out this year some heavy consideration being that Colt is leaving and next year could be somewhat of a down year for Texas.

[SuperKevin]

He's not draft eligible but Rahim Moore got his 8th INT today against Washington.

[SenorGato]

Berry actually has some tools that could make a team give him a look at Corner, similiar to Michael Huff a few years back. That's a pretty valuable trait, that alone is going to vault him above some of the other safety prospects, doubt he makes that switch but if he times well no doubt some team will consider him a tweener.


Thomas has incredible instincts and awareness on the field, it always amazes me to see how he breaks on the ball and tracks it in the air. I'm not sure how he'll time in any of the workouts, but I do think that he'll give coming out this year some heavy consideration being that Colt is leaving and next year could be somewhat of a down year for Texas.

I like Berry alot as a corner.

[murdamal86]

Bu but bu bu Mays runs a 4.3 in the 30

[CC.SD]

Tuned into TN/ole miss to see some good ol Eric Berry, but he was invisible. McCluster turned in 261 yards though, insane.

[Texas Homer]

Earl Thomas is a ball hawk. He is a redshirt Soph. and is eligible to enter the draft after this season.

I hope he stays another year. I think he can play S in the NFL, but I think his more natural position is CB whenever it comes to the NFL and Earl Thomas. This is just my opinion. He reminds me of Cortland Finnegan for the Titans.

I can also see a Bob Sanders comparison for Earl Thomas as well, but like I said, it may just be me, and I may be all by myself on this one, but I think Earl Thomas could end being a CB at the next level.

If he comes back to Texas, I could see him getting bigger and positioning himself to be S in the NFL. He is still pretty young. Who knows at this point.

[SuperKevin]

He's not draft eligible but Rahim Moore got his 8th INT today against Washington.

And he got his 9th yesterday. Leading the country

[Babylon]

And he got his 9th yesterday. Leading the country

Do they count when it's against the Cougars?

[SuperKevin]

Do they count when it's against the Cougars?

He still leads the country if you don't count it :)

[Cigaro]

He still leads the country if you don't count it :)

*Tied for the lead if you don't count it.

[CC.SD]

*Tied for the lead if you don't count it.

**but of course you count it, because it happened.

[M.O.T.H.]

Darian Stewart has some serious tackling issues these days. He's basically sharing one of our safety positions in a time share and he's probably about 225 pounds at the moment. Scott has him pretty overrated in his current rankings.

[Cigaro]

Darian Stewart has some serious tackling issues these days. He's basically sharing one of our safety positions in a time share and he's probably about 225 pounds at the moment. Scott has him pretty overrated in his current rankings.

Yep. I actually really liked him as a sleeper coming into this season, but since moving from SPUR to an actual safety spot, he's regressed extremely far. No where near the same player he was last year. Not even as good as he was in his sophomore year IMO.

[foozball]

Where does Major Wright fall? And exactly how good is he? Does he have enough talent to shine individually when he isn't with a defense that is as dominating as Florida's?

[etk]

Major Wright is a 1st rounder IMO. He's very powerful and a great hitter. He's a taller, less explosive version of Bob Sanders.

[BaLLiN]

Major Wright is a 1st rounder IMO. He's very powerful and a great hitter. He's a taller, less explosive version of Bob Sanders.

i feel like he gets exposed and seems a bit missing in coverages on a small occasion.

[etk]

Lots of Gators have small weaknesses that are masked by the overall talent of their defense.

Wright has shown me enough athletic ability and range to be a 1st round pick.

This is all assuming he doesn't take a draft faceplant from this point like Emanuel Cook did when I was pumping him last year.

[Ozzy]

Ummmmm

SS
Eric Berry Tennessee JR
DeAndre McDaniel Clemson JR
Ahmad Black Florida JR
Earl Thomas Texas RS SOPH
TJ Ward Oregon
Kurt Coleman Ohio State
Brad Phillips Northwestern*
Larry Asante Nebraska *
Kendrick Lewis Ole Miss*
Chad Jones LSU JR
Morgan Burnett Georgia Tech JR
Brendan Smith Northwestern*
Kam Chancellor Virginia Tech
Will Harris USC
Bo McNally Stanford*
Myron Rolle Florida St.
Darian Stewart South Carolina
Donsay Hardeman Illinois
Terrell Skinner Maryland



FS
Taylor Mays USC
Chris Culliver South Carolina JR
Justin Woodall Alabama
Robert Johnson Utah
Aaron Webster Cincinnati*
Deunta Williams UNC JR
Josh Pinkard USC
Nate Allen South Florida
Matt O'Hanlon Nebraska*
Anderson Russell Ohio State
Demetrice Morley Tennessee TS
Van Eskridge East Carolina*
Aairon Savage Auburn
Justin Thornton Kansas
Robert Vaughn UCONN
Bryan Evans Georgia
Quinton Andrews West Virginia
Danny McCray LSU




Depending on who all comes out for the draft, there are what at least six safeties talented enough to be first round prospects. Then the players behind them are not too bad at all either, hell Robert Johnson, Culliver, Asante, Ward, Phillips, Chad Jones could all be 2nd round picks, even some of those guys are playing like first round talents if it was a down year for safeties.


Just an amazing class of safety especially if the great juniors in McDaniel, Black and E. Thomas come out.

Wow, such a talented group and clearly headlined by Eric Berry and Taylor Mays. Best group of safeties overall in years and could be the deepest position in the upcoming draft.

[etk]

Ummmmm

SS

Earl Thomas Texas RS SOPH
TJ Ward Oregon
Kurt Coleman Ohio State
Chad Jones LSU JR
Morgan Burnett Georgia Tech JR



These guys are ranked too low.

[jimbo]

Any GM who drafts Taylor Mays to play FS is a moron.

[Day One Pick]

Any GM who drafts Taylor Mays to play FS is a moron.

Yeah, he's definetly better suited to be an in the box, Troy Polamalu/Bob Sanders type of SS. I really think his best football is yet to come.

[619]

*Tied for the lead if you don't count it.

You can add Earl Thomas to this group. Top 20 pick next year?

[HeavyLeggedWaistBender]

So are there many holes in Darrell Stuckey's game? Seems like one of, if not the, best all around Safety to me. Am I wrong? He reminds me of Charles Tillman in that he kind of does everything (ffs, ints, tkls) but just isnt flashy enough to get some pub.

I think he wins my Best Buy Award for Safeties. Thoughts?

[edit: excluding the obvious top two]

[Day One Pick]

So are there many holes in Darrell Stuckey's game? Seems like one of, if not the, best all around Safety to me. Am I wrong? He reminds me of Charles Tillman in that he kind of does everything (ffs, ints, tkls) but just isnt flashy enough to get some pub.

I think he wins my Best Buy Award for Safeties. Thoughts?

[edit: excluding the obvious top two]

I like Stuckey, I think he's a solid 2nd rounder right now with the ability to move up.

[jimbo]

Yeah, he's definetly better suited to be an in the box, Troy Polamalu/Bob Sanders type of SS. I really think his best football is yet to come.

Al Davis will still draft him in the top 10 probably just because of that H/W/S combo. Never mind the fact that his ball skills are awful.

[Day One Pick]

Al Davis will still draft him in the top 10 probably just because of that H/W/S combo. Never mind the fact that his ball skills are awful.

He's definetly more of the "new age safety," which is actually the an "old school style" going back to guys like Ronnie Lott.

[JhawkFitness]

So are there many holes in Darrell Stuckey's game? Seems like one of, if not the, best all around Safety to me. Am I wrong? He reminds me of Charles Tillman in that he kind of does everything (ffs, ints, tkls) but just isnt flashy enough to get some pub.

I think he wins my Best Buy Award for Safeties. Thoughts?

[edit: excluding the obvious top two]

I like Stuckey, I think he's a solid 2nd rounder right now with the ability to move up.

:Thumbup: Def one of the more underrated prospects at the position.

Ummmmm



FS
Justin Thornton Kansas

Depending on who all comes out for the draft, there are what at least six safeties talented enough to be first round prospects. Then the players behind them are not too bad at all either, hell Robert Johnson, Culliver, Asante, Ward, Phillips, Chad Jones could all be 2nd round picks, even some of those guys are playing like first round talents if it was a down year for safeties.


Just an amazing class of safety especially if the great juniors in McDaniel, Black and E. Thomas come out.

Wow, such a talented group and clearly headlined by Eric Berry and Taylor Mays. Best group of safeties overall in years and could be the deepest position in the upcoming draft.

Sorry to disagree but Thornton is overmatched at the college level. He runs the 40 close to 4.7 and takes bad angles in pursuit. He made headlines two years ago when he nabbed a bunch of interceptions but that was mostly due to scheme (notice how the int's dropped when a new DC came into town) and the benefit of Aqib Talib shrinking the field?

[kwilk103]

robert sands= beast vs pitt

[ThePudge]

Earl Thomas looks to be staying another year in Austin, not surprising really.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/bohls/entries/2009/12/01/thomas_not_leav.html

[Prophet]

He's definetly more of the "new age safety," which is actually the an "old school style" going back to guys like Ronnie Lott.

Taylor's play on the field has never lived up to his freakish test results.
He is a top 10 pick just based on his athleticism but anyone who is intent on picking him at FS will be sorely dissapointed.

[Malaka]

Taylor's play on the field has never lived up to his freakish test results.
He is a top 10 pick just based on his athleticism but anyone who is intent on picking him at FS will be sorely dissapointed.

:rolleyes: You guys have watched a lot of USC games I can tell...

Taylor Mays is a true center fielder, forget about his H/W/S... he is a safety similar to that of Laron Landry he is MUCH better suited to play FS. Last year Mays played in a cover 1... that means he was the only man going deep, and you know what USC's defense did not give up a single play of over 20 yards passing that whole season. This season that defense as a whole has been much worse, but that's what happens when you lose 4 pro caliber linebackers (Cushing, Maualuga, Matthews, Maiava). This year he has been asked to play less cover 1 although they still run quite a bit of it, however even though his INT total has stayed the same at 1, his tackles have gone way up.

Taylor Mays maybe a big hitter but that in no way means he is a SS, he may not be an Ed Reed type playmaker, but I know what I am getting with Taylor Mays a center fielder who can lock up the deeper half of the field for me, is that worth a top 5 pick? No, IMO, however is that worth a first round pick? Yes, I'd take him on the Giants to play FS in a heartbeat and move Kenny Phillips to SS.

[phlysac]

Last year Mays played in a cover 1... that means he was the only man going deep, and you know what USC's defense did not give up a single play of over 20 yards passing that whole season.

I'm starting to truly believe that stat had ALOT more to do with their INSANE pass rush than with Mays' coverage skills. It would be difficult to imagine getting beat over the top when he played so deep and the opposing QB had so little time.

[Malaka]

I'm starting to truly believe that stat had ALOT more to do with their INSANE pass rush than with Mays' coverage skills. It would be difficult to imagine getting beat over the top when he played so deep and the opposing QB had so little time.

I believe it's both, as I said how this year the defense is much worse off than it was last year. Regardless of this matter to say Mays is not a good FS is ridiculous IMO.

[HeavyLeggedWaistBender]

Anybody know anything about Terrell Skinner from Maryland? Im obviously impressed with his triangle numbers but ive never seen him play other than a Youtube clip of him getting trucked...

And how good is USC's Josh Pinkard? How good do you think he'll be?

[Prophet]

And how good is USC's Josh Pinkard? How good do you think he'll be?

Dosen't have the hips to play corner, better suited for SS.

[LonghornsLegend]

Earl Thomas looks to be staying another year in Austin, not surprising really.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/bohls/entries/2009/12/01/thomas_not_leav.html

It is for me, I felt like he was gone if we won the NC with Colt leaving and him being a solid 1st round pick this year. Also lots of underclassmen have been bolting lately alot sooner then normal, Finley, Charles, there had been a trend breaking lately and I felt he would follow suit. I'm still gonna wait to see if he changes his mind if we somehow run the table.





:rolleyes: You guys have watched a lot of USC games I can tell...

Taylor Mays is a true center fielder, forget about his H/W/S... he is a safety similar to that of Laron Landry he is MUCH better suited to play FS. Last year Mays played in a cover 1... that means he was the only man going deep, and you know what USC's defense did not give up a single play of over 20 yards passing that whole season. This season that defense as a whole has been much worse, but that's what happens when you lose 4 pro caliber linebackers (Cushing, Maualuga, Matthews, Maiava). This year he has been asked to play less cover 1 although they still run quite a bit of it, however even though his INT total has stayed the same at 1, his tackles have gone way up.

Taylor Mays maybe a big hitter but that in no way means he is a SS, he may not be an Ed Reed type playmaker, but I know what I am getting with Taylor Mays a center fielder who can lock up the deeper half of the field for me, is that worth a top 5 pick? No, IMO, however is that worth a first round pick? Yes, I'd take him on the Giants to play FS in a heartbeat and move Kenny Phillips to SS.



I just don't see elite instincts with Mays, and that is probably my favorite trait in a Safety period is instincts. Way too many times he mis judges a ball thrown in his direction, or takes the wrong angle, and no matter what excuses people want to give him a safety as fast as him with that type of range should have more INT's then he's had.


If people were trying to judge him and you overlooked his 40, size, and overall hype and tried to come away impressed watching him play I think you'd be left desiring more out of your safety. He doesn't judge the ball well in the air at all to me, so give me the small guy without all the measurables that knows how to make a play on the ball in the air at FS everyday over him.

[D-Unit]

Is Earl Thomas an NFL safety though? I think the team that takes him, might move him to corner unless he builds up his frame.

[LonghornsLegend]

Probably all depends on 40 time, and what the team decides they want. He does have a small frame, but so did/does Huff. They'd probably compare him to the Corners who were left at the time and see if he grades out higher then any of them, but I haven't seen him really do too much man to man pressed up on a WR versus sitting back and reading the QB.

[Malaka]

It is for me, I felt like he was gone if we won the NC with Colt leaving and him being a solid 1st round pick this year. Also lots of underclassmen have been bolting lately alot sooner then normal, Finley, Charles, there had been a trend breaking lately and I felt he would follow suit. I'm still gonna wait to see if he changes his mind if we somehow run the table.









I just don't see elite instincts with Mays, and that is probably my favorite trait in a Safety period is instincts. Way too many times he mis judges a ball thrown in his direction, or takes the wrong angle, and no matter what excuses people want to give him a safety as fast as him with that type of range should have more INT's then he's had.


If people were trying to judge him and you overlooked his 40, size, and overall hype and tried to come away impressed watching him play I think you'd be left desiring more out of your safety. He doesn't judge the ball well in the air at all to me, so give me the small guy without all the measurables that knows how to make a play on the ball in the air at FS everyday over him.

You're absolutely right, he is a 1st round pick based on his athletic abilities alone. I know what I am getting with Taylor Mays and that is enough for some scouts.

My favorite is the New York Giants and if he fell to us and we drafted I'd be extremely happy to put him at FS, as I'd 100% confident that we would have excellent coverage going deep and very good run-support. He would also free up Kenny Phillips at SS big time, allowing Kenny to roam, headhunt, and be the play maker of the secondary. Taylor Mays would not be a game changer, however he would be an anchor to the secondary.

[LonghornsLegend]

Earl Thomas looks to be staying another year in Austin, not surprising really.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/bohls/entries/2009/12/01/thomas_not_leav.html


Not surprising, but he's changing his tune already:


Although Thomas said last week that he planned to return next season, he changed his tune Wednesday night after arriving in Orlando for Thursday's College Football Awards show.


"Obviously, you come to college to put yourself in position to make money. If I'm projected (in the draft) where I want to be projected, I'll go forward and try to play on Sundays (in the NFL),'' he said. "I'll just have to see how my grade report comes back. Yes, I'm hearing good things.''

The status of Thomas has been rising in the last few weeks, and he has been projected as a late first-round pick on some of the draft boards.

He said Wednesday that a first-round projection likely would prompt him to leave school. He also said a second-round or later projection likely would keep him in school another year.

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2009/12/09/texas-could-lose-earl-thomas-to-nfl/


I honestly think he's gone, he'll be graded as a late 1st rounder at least, and he'll end up going to a very good team right off the bat. I don't even know if Safety is a 1st round need for Dallas or not but I would love to have him.

[TACKLE]

Can someone please explain to me why Robert Johnson is ranked as the 28th senior safety.

[Saints-Tigers]

Because there are 27 senior safeties ranked ahead of him I'm guessing.

[foozball]

Can someone please explain to me why Robert Johnson is ranked as the 28th senior safety.

And why he's projected as a 4.75 runner...seeing as how he ran the 200m and 400m during his freshman year.

[BigBanger]

Is Earl Thomas an NFL safety though? I think the team that takes him, might move him to corner unless he builds up his frame.
I think his biggest problem is being about 5'9''. How many Safeties are that short? His game, skills and instincts are great, but he's 5'9'' frame should knock him to the second round alone. Questions about being a SS could come up.

[SenorGato]

Anyone with me that Kam Chancellor will end up being a better pro safety than Taylor Mays?

What happened to Chancellor's hype btw? He's got some Adrian Wilson in him, though that is a really, really high end comparison.

[TACKLE]

Anyone with me that Kam Chancellor will end up being a better pro safety than Taylor Mays?

What happened to Chancellor's hype btw? He's got some Adrian Wilson in him, though that is a really, really high end comparison.

No. Chancellor had been exposed in coverage. He can make the big hits but he also gets beat deep a lot.

[roscoesdad27]

Anyone with me that Kam Chancellor will end up being a better pro safety than Taylor Mays?

What happened to Chancellor's hype btw? He's got some Adrian Wilson in him, though that is a really, really high end comparison.

Kam got beat a few times on national t.v. early in the season when he was asked to play press coverage in the slot, something a strong safety will not be asked to do at the next level...he undeserveingly lost some hype because of this but will shoot back up draft boards after the combine and i would'nt be surprised to see him in the late second/ early third range.

[foozball]

I think his biggest problem is being about 5'9''. How many Safeties are that short? His game, skills and instincts are great, but he's 5'9'' frame should knock him to the second round alone. Questions about being a SS could come up.

He's about 5'9 or 5'10 195-200lbs. I don't think height is that big of a concern so much as bulk is. He's better off at FS and his ballskills should be able to play there.

[SenorGato]

No. Chancellor had been exposed in coverage. He can make the big hits but he also gets beat deep a lot.

Everyone wants a tall, rangy safety from a high end college D. He may have gotten beat in coverage, but he's also not gotten beat.

Like many guys who'll shine during the offseason he just got his hype early and therefore got shoved to the side. One of my favorite safety prospects in this draft. I'd love to pair him with Kerry Rhodes.

[HeavyLeggedWaistBender]

Strictly a SS though, right?

And he seems a little awkward, like hes not overly athletic. Somewhat clumsy, even.

[SenorGato]

Strictly a SS though, right?

And he seems a little awkward, like hes not overly athletic. Somewhat clumsy, even.

Well he's been used deep before too, and honestly the SS position is slightly outdated.

I'd use him in a variety of ways...I just like a big, versatile safety that is knowledgeable and rangy enough to help cover the rest of the D's ass.

I don't see this lack of athleticism you speak of. I think his size makes him look different as a good college safety, but when I see him I see a guy who can remain a safety as a pro.

[TACKLE]

Everyone wants a tall, rangy safety from a high end college D. He may have gotten beat in coverage, but he's also not gotten beat.

Like many guys who'll shine during the offseason he just got his hype early and therefore got shoved to the side. One of my favorite safety prospects in this draft. I'd love to pair him with Kerry Rhodes.

I Kam plays up in the box as a SS he'll be fine.

[katnip]

No. Chancellor had been exposed in coverage. He can make the big hits but he also gets beat deep a lot.

Reminds me of kr/pr or cb Justin Miller who the Jets cut after 1 month recently

[SenorGato]

Reminds me of kr/pr or cb Justin Miller who the Jets cut after 1 month recently

How is Miller anything at all like Chancellor?

They don't play the same position, Chancellor is a 3 year starter on a top college D, he's a leader on that D, he doesn't have Miller's speed and athleticism, Miller doesn't have his size, instincts, tackling ability, experience, coverage ability (Miller is garbage when it comes to actually playing NFL D), or general abilities (tangible and not) of Chancellor.

[will99890]

I Kam plays up in the box as a SS he'll be fine.

HAHAHA really? A 6'4" SS prospect reminds you of a 5'8" CB whose only real ability on the field is returning kicks. I know Chancellor had a couple bad games, but Miller is on a whole nother level of suckiness when it comes to coverage.

[Mr.KnowItAll]

If Chad Jones concentrated on just football we would be talking about a top 15 pick. Guys who are 6-3 225lbs shouldn't have the athletic ability like he does to return punts. Taylor Mays might run faster in a straight line but Chad Jones is a better athlete and football player.

[Job]

And why he's projected as a 4.75 runner...seeing as how he ran the 200m and 400m during his freshman year.

Well, that could be why he stopped running it.

[Thumper]

My Rankings:
1. Eric Berry
2. Chad Jones
3. Earl Thomas
4. Nate Allen
5. Reshad Jones
6. Morgan Burnett
7. Taylor Mays
8. TJ Ward
9. Larry Asante
10. Kendrick Lewis

and I don't understand why people are so low on Justin Woodall, I like him and think he could start for a team in the NFL at some point, he is big, disciplined, can make plays on the ball in zone coverage and he can play in the box.

[vikes_28]

The only reason Thomas will get drafted high is because he has a nose for the football. He will have so many interceptions in his career. If the DC of whichever team he gets drafted on just let's him roam around the field, I could see him ending up with 10+ INTs every season.

Personally, I rank Thomas over Berry, because I believe that Berry will have injury problems throughout his career. And because of that, he will be labeled as a bust.

[V.I.P]

7. Taylor Mays

Mays at #7 ?? That's very uhh.... interesting

[CashmoneyDrew]

You're still not explaining why you think EB will have injury problems, though.

[Clarkw267]

You're still not explaining why you think EB will have injury problems, though.

Obviously because he actually attempts to make tackles.