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Geo
06-15-2009, 03:11 PM
Per Rotoworld:

NFL insider Adam Schefter reported on 850 KOA in Denver that Brandon Marshall asked Broncos owner Pat Bowlen for a trade during their meeting Friday.

Per Schefter, Bowlen asked Marshall to take some time to reconsider his stance. Marshall is not expected to back down, however, which means the Broncos are right back where they were with Jay Cutler. Though it's possible that a new contract could assuage Marshall, it's more likely that the receiver will continue to push for a trade. Perhaps the Bears will be interested. Jun. 15 - 3:11 pm et

Source: 850 KOA in Denver (http://www.koaradio.com/pages/cmn.html)
Thoughts?

Do the Broncos move him? Sign him to a long-term contract? Stand pat?

Burger
06-15-2009, 03:13 PM
I would request a trade if I was Marshall also.

Vox Populi
06-15-2009, 03:14 PM
Trade him to Seattle for the first that they gave them... If they get rid of him Seattle is going to be getting an even sexier pick next year, and if Hasselbeck isn't healthy or good again next year, possibly two of them.

If they moved him it wouldn't be a terrible idea, especially if he goes out and does something stupid again and gets suspended even longer (4-8 games next time?), I mean they've got Royal there and Scheffler isn't too bad. If they trade him this off season though, they're going to be competing to be the worst team in the league.

21ST
06-15-2009, 03:14 PM
Go for it skins

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 03:17 PM
GO FOR IT BEARS, CUTLER TO MARSHALL!

wait...

The Dynasty
06-15-2009, 03:22 PM
Im expecting the eagles to be one of the teams that will be interested but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

Dam8610
06-15-2009, 03:22 PM
Marshall is worth a lot more to the Broncos than they could ever get in a trade. Then again, so was Cutler, and they still traded him. What's the max value they could get for him? Think the Bears would send them their 2nd in 2010? I would think they'd be the team outside of Denver to which Marshall would be the most valuable, but I doubt they want to have no picks in next year's draft until round 3.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 03:24 PM
Marshall is worth a lot more to the Broncos than they could ever get in a trade. Then again, so was Cutler, and they still traded him. What's the max value they could get for him? Think the Bears would send them their 2nd in 2010? I would think they'd be the team outside of Denver to which Marshall would be the most valuable, but I doubt they want to have no picks in next year's draft until round 3.
idk, the bears would pick a WR with that pick anyways

Cicero
06-15-2009, 03:25 PM
Trade him to Seattle for the first that they gave them... If they get rid of him Seattle is going to be getting an even sexier pick next year, and if Hasselbeck isn't healthy or good again next year, possibly two of them.

If they moved him it wouldn't be a terrible idea, especially if he goes out and does something stupid again and gets suspended even longer (4-8 games next time?), I mean they've got Royal there and Scheffler isn't too bad. If they trade him this off season though, they're going to be competing to be the worst team in the league.

Brandon Marshall is not worth our top 10 pick sorry.

Sniper
06-15-2009, 03:26 PM
Im expecting the eagles to be one of the teams that will be interested but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

I doubt they will be.

Vox Populi
06-15-2009, 03:28 PM
Brandon Marshall is not worth our top 10 pick sorry.

You guys were crazy to make that trade, Alphonso Smith is an elite top 10 talent in next year's draft. The Broncos played you so badly I'm sure that they could get that pick back from you in exchange for Marshall.

Cicero
06-15-2009, 03:31 PM
You guys were crazy to make that trade, Alphonso Smith is an elite top 10 talent in next year's draft. The Broncos played you so badly I'm sure that they could get that pick back from you in exchange for Marshall.

Josh McDaniels is quite the intelligent guy I must say...haha.

Dam8610
06-15-2009, 03:31 PM
Im expecting the eagles to be one of the teams that will be interested but that shouldn't surprise anyone.

It would surprise me a great deal with them having Maclin, Jackson, and a bunch of possession receivers.

lordquas
06-15-2009, 03:34 PM
if the Baltimore Ravens ever got Brandon Marshall, I'd be glad to say that they'd win the next 5 superbowls

TimD
06-15-2009, 03:34 PM
Marshall to the Jets for next years draft. lol

The Great Jonathan Vilma
06-15-2009, 03:35 PM
They should probably just cut all talent and start fresh...Josh McDaniels is going to lead this team to victory. Cutler is the enemy.

Staubach12
06-15-2009, 03:36 PM
Trade him to the Bears. That's what makes the best sense to me.

Burger
06-15-2009, 03:37 PM
They should probably just cut all talent and start fresh...Josh McDaniels is going to lead this team to victory. Cutler is the enemy.

I would be happy if they cut all of their Talent. I cant stand Denver.

Chief49er
06-15-2009, 03:39 PM
This jerk will be banned from the NFL soon anyway.

Apparently, the NFL thinks dogs are more important than women.

Punisher
06-15-2009, 03:40 PM
Broncos fan here:

FML

the decider13
06-15-2009, 03:43 PM
FML

First my Cutler jersey...now my Marshall hoody. I am jinxing the team.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 03:43 PM
Trade him to the Bears. That's what makes the best sense to me.
I concur!!!!!

Dam8610
06-15-2009, 03:44 PM
if the Baltimore Ravens ever got Brandon Marshall, I'd be glad to say that they'd win the next 5 superbowls

You can say it all you want, doesn't mean it would or will happen.

Broncos fan here:

FML

I'm starting to feel sorry for Denver fans, this offseason for the Broncos has probably been the worst for any team in quite some time.

the decider13
06-15-2009, 03:46 PM
I concur!!!!!

For what? You guys have nothing left.

Cicero
06-15-2009, 03:46 PM
Denver used to be my second favorite team until McDaniels came around. True story.

M.O.T.H.
06-15-2009, 03:47 PM
If I was a Broncos fan, I wouldn't be able to put much faith in him, even if he wanted to stay. The guy is trouble and a moron. He wont be a sure thing where ever he plays.

Flyboy
06-15-2009, 03:47 PM
LOL!

The Broncos are pure LAWLZ right now.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 03:52 PM
For what? You guys have nothing left.
Nathan Vasher, next years 2nd and Mark Anderson! gogogogo :D

Geo
06-15-2009, 03:54 PM
I'd rather have a 2nd and a 5th than that.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 03:54 PM
i really really really pity the Broncos fans :/

the decider13
06-15-2009, 03:55 PM
If the redskins would offer two firsts for Ocho, then they can offer 2 firsts for Marshall!

lordquas
06-15-2009, 03:57 PM
Nathan Vasher, next years 2nd and Mark Anderson! gogogogo :D

thats the worst trade i've ever heard

Why not Brandon Marshall for Ocho Cinco??

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 03:59 PM
thats the worst trade i've ever heard

Why not Brandon Marshall for Ocho Cinco??
worst trade for the Broncos!

the decider13
06-15-2009, 04:02 PM
I think we should just trade everyone...except Peyton Hillis. If they keep him, I can keep my sanity.

Vikes99ej
06-15-2009, 04:10 PM
Eagles, Eagles, Eagles, always the god damn Eagles whenever a receiver wants to get traded. Hey guys, how about the Redskins too?

Now I'm really not rooting for the Broncos when the Vikings move.

FlyingElvis
06-15-2009, 04:17 PM
The Broncos are doing awesome this off-season.


So much for the idea that "He honestly isn't pissing and moaning...he said that he will not hold out. He is trying to get a deal done before he becomes a UFA."

lol ;)

703SKINS202
06-15-2009, 04:23 PM
I love Brandon Marshall talent wise at the WR spot as much as a lot of you but I think a lot of people are looking past all that baggage he is carrying with him. Some people are ready to give up 1st rounders no questions asked. Sure he is worthy talent wise but be careful what you wish for this guy is one mistake away from the Goodell hammer. It might kill Broncos fans but if they can get some picks for this guy I would do it, unreliable character issues don't bode well and Eddie Royal is a beast.

d34ng3l021
06-15-2009, 04:25 PM
It must really suck to be a Broncos fan right now. Look at what they went through in the last couple months:

1. Lead the division by 3 games with 3 games in the season to go. Lose out to miss playoffs.
2. Shanahan retires
3. Jay Cutler Fiasco
4. Alphonso Smith
5. Marshall demands trade

:(

It would make a lot of sense for Brandon Marshall to go to Baltimore. If I am Newsome, I would try hard to get a potential star WR for my potential franchise QB Flacco.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 04:27 PM
i dont think the Broncos would trade him to an AFC team

WMD
06-15-2009, 04:28 PM
What about the Giants?

BaLLiN
06-15-2009, 04:29 PM
we just got rid of plax and even if we didnt draft Hakeem "the Dream" Nicks or Ramses "Keyshawn" Barden i would not take him, he's a bad seed.

That said, he was ridiculous with cutler, and if i were the bears organization i might dip my toes into the water on this one, would save alot of adjustment for Cutler with a big WR who he has good chemistry with.

DT35
06-15-2009, 04:33 PM
Denver used to be my second favorite team until McDaniels came around. True story.

Ever since McDaniels came around they've become my second favorite team after Seattle, thanks for the top 3 pick.

regoob2
06-15-2009, 04:42 PM
Marshall is worth a lot more to the Broncos than they could ever get in a trade. Then again, so was Cutler, and they still traded him. What's the max value they could get for him? Think the Bears would send them their 2nd in 2010? I would think they'd be the team outside of Denver to which Marshall would be the most valuable, but I doubt they want to have no picks in next year's draft until round 3.
We did fine not having any picks in this draft.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 04:44 PM
We did fine not having any picks in this draft.
well we did trade down and got more picks

The Legend
06-15-2009, 04:46 PM
How about the Vikings? Favre needs some more toys :)

parrish_lemar24DBSkins
06-15-2009, 04:53 PM
If the redskins would offer two firsts for Ocho, then they can offer 2 firsts for Marshall!


Except you forgot to mention, decider13, that Dan Snyder is criminally insane and wipes his butt with c-notes!!


No one in their right mind would trade two 1sts for Marshall.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 04:54 PM
Except you forgot to mention, decider13, that Dan Snyder is criminally insane and wipes his butt with c-notes!!


No one in their right mind would trade two 1sts for Marshall.
well thats why he wants Dan Snyder, the insane one, to offer them

The Great Jonathan Vilma
06-15-2009, 05:04 PM
Given his off-field troubles, i'm not sure they will be getting top dollar if they trade him....even with his incredible talents, the thought of losing him for X number of games each year due to off-field behavior, it will lessen the number of teams going for him and similarly the price someone will pay.

The Dynasty
06-15-2009, 05:10 PM
How about the Vikings? Favre needs some more toys :)

I wouldn't mind seeing it but doubtful. Harvin has performed very well in the OTA's so far and they are still hoping for Sidney Rice who did have a good OTA sessions this year.

CC.SD
06-15-2009, 05:29 PM
LOL!

The Broncos are pure LAWLZ right now.

LAWL that she wants is another baby...

Seriously, who didn't see this coming? Marshall and a third for Boldin, do it now.

Crickett
06-15-2009, 05:44 PM
What about the Giants?

He'd give the Giants the sure #1 they needed while Ramses Barden develops. But you just know he would shoot himself in the leg too.

FuzzyGopher
06-15-2009, 05:44 PM
If the redskins would offer two firsts for Ocho, then they can offer 2 firsts for Marshall!

Snyder will offer 4 firsts and Six Flags. Book it.

cvv84
06-15-2009, 05:55 PM
I hope Ryan Clady asks for a trade too. The Packers need a OT. :D

LonghornsLegend
06-15-2009, 06:10 PM
Denver's off-season = http://static.footballguys.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/TrainWreck1.gif

Addict
06-15-2009, 06:11 PM
ITT: all the non-bronco fans laugh hard at how much the once proud franchise has suffered under McDaniels. Also: all the bronco fans come to tell us that Marshall was never any good to begin with.

Vox Populi
06-15-2009, 06:12 PM
They're not saying Marshall was never any good. I think its more like a 50/50 split of **** McDaniels and He's just going to get arrested anyways.

cvv84
06-15-2009, 06:12 PM
Bronco's just signed Brandon Lloyd.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/broncos-sign-brandon-lloyd/

Vox Populi
06-15-2009, 06:13 PM
Bronco's just signed Brandon Lloyd.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/broncos-sign-brandon-lloyd/

That might have meant something three or four years ago... Actually he was hot at the beginning of the year with the Bears wasn't he?

cvv84
06-15-2009, 06:15 PM
That might have meant something three or four years ago... Actually he was hot at the beginning of the year with the Bears wasn't he?

I guess I just found it funny that it happened on the same day that Marshall reportedly requests a trade.

Addict
06-15-2009, 06:19 PM
They're not saying Marshall was never any good. I think its more like a 50/50 split of **** McDaniels and He's just going to get arrested anyways.

you know that's gonna be the story. It should be fun to see though, since they'll be severely conflicted on this one.

"Brandon Marshall wasn't that good, he had a great QB"
- "Didn't you say that Cutler was only good because of Marshall?"
"Yeah... but... ehh...."
- "But what?"
"Both would suck without Eddie Royal"
- "What?"
"eh... the sum is greater than the parts"
- "..."

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 06:21 PM
That might have meant something three or four years ago... Actually he was hot at the beginning of the year with the Bears wasn't he?
yea had a good chemistry with orton apparently

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-15-2009, 06:28 PM
Life keeps getting better and better for us Broncos fans. I won't have much more time to speak of this though, I'm heading out for a bit. Ugh, but my breath stinks. Time for some good old shotgun mouthwash.

dabears10
06-15-2009, 07:00 PM
Life keeps getting better and better for us Broncos fans. I won't have much more time to speak of this though, I'm heading out for a bit. Ugh, but my breath stinks. Time for some good old shotgun mouthwash.

You know Marshall could get traded to the Bears and you can become a bears fan Chris....

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-15-2009, 07:10 PM
You know Marshall could get traded to the Bears and you can become a bears fan Chris....
I jumped on the bandwagon when I was like 6 years old and I refuse to dislodge myself from it now that it's a Hindenburg.

Addict
06-15-2009, 07:19 PM
I jumped on the bandwagon when I was like 6 years old and I refuse to dislodge myself from it now that it's a Hindenburg.

more like the Titanic.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-15-2009, 07:25 PM
more like the Titanic.

Or the planet Earth ca. 65,000,000 BCE

Addict
06-15-2009, 07:28 PM
Or the planet Earth ca. 65,000,000 BCE

I can't top that. I can, however, illustrate.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6859/lazarww6.jpg
notice McDaniels in the top right corner.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-15-2009, 07:30 PM
SHOOP DA WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPaaa

ATLDirtyBirds
06-15-2009, 07:38 PM
Michael Vick and DeAngelo Hall. We turned out alright. It does massively suck at the time though, and the shot of duplicating the Falcons isn't good. But, it can happen.

Addict
06-15-2009, 08:10 PM
Michael Vick and DeAngelo Hall. We turned out alright. It does massively suck at the time though, and the shot of duplicating the Falcons isn't good. But, it can happen.

yeah but the broncos had pretty much nothing going for them except those two. Apart from Clady.

the decider13
06-15-2009, 08:11 PM
ITT: all the non-bronco fans laugh hard at how much the once proud franchise has suffered under McDaniels. Also: all the bronco fans come to tell us that Marshall was never any good to begin with.

Untrue...I still love B marsh :(

But if Clady requests a trade, you guys should probably send someone to check on me.

619
06-15-2009, 08:13 PM
yeah but the broncos had pretty much nothing going for them except those two. Apart from Clady.

You forget Harris, Royal, Scheffler, and that's excluding a few nice pieces on defense as well.

Addict
06-15-2009, 08:18 PM
You forget Harris, Royal, Scheffler, and that's excluding a few nice pieces on defense as well.

Fair enough, but you can't deny that Cutler & Marshall were the undisputed stars of your team, along with Clady.

ATLDirtyBirds
06-15-2009, 08:21 PM
Fair enough, but you can't deny that Cutler & Marshall were the undisputed stars of your team, along with Clady.

As were Vick and DeAngelo.

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 08:22 PM
Fair enough, but you can't deny that Cutler & Marshall were the undisputed stars of your team, along with Clady.
he is a raiders fan

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-15-2009, 08:22 PM
As were Vick and DeAngelo.

Yeah, but you guys didn't trade the pick that became Matt Ryan for Alphonso Smith...

ATLDirtyBirds
06-15-2009, 08:25 PM
Yeah, but you guys didn't trade the pick that became Matt Ryan for Alphonso Smith...


Fair enough. We didn't have Clady either though.

TACKLE
06-15-2009, 08:27 PM
Brandon Marshall would look great in a Ravens uniform.

Also, the Raiders should go after either Marshall or Burress. I know they drafted DHB but more help is stilol needed.

the decider13
06-15-2009, 08:27 PM
Yeah...I have a feeling that unless alphonso becomes champ 2.0, that trade is gonna seriously bite the team in the ass.

The team still has some really good pieces, but they are definately heading for a rough patch. They are gonna suck aweful in madden this year though.

Addict
06-15-2009, 08:28 PM
As were Vick and DeAngelo.

hmmmm I guess that's true.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-15-2009, 08:35 PM
Fair enough. We didn't have Clady either though.

ALPHONSO SMITHaaa

the decider13
06-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Ravens interested in B marsh

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/rumors-fly-of-brandon-marshall-to-baltimore/

Addict
06-15-2009, 08:48 PM
ALPHONSO SMITHaaa

you can't just make these guys up.

toddmlazarchick
06-15-2009, 08:55 PM
If the skins would get into this you would have to believe that Moss would be involved

Smokey Joe
06-15-2009, 09:10 PM
Denver used to be my second favorite team until McDaniels came around. True story.
Same here.

BmoreBlackByrdz
06-15-2009, 09:11 PM
Ravens interested in B marsh

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/15/rumors-fly-of-brandon-marshall-to-baltimore/

As much as I love marshalls skill set I can't see ozzie trading for him. We'd be better off with boldin or just keeping our draft picks and focus on re-signing Suggs and Gaither. Marshall isn't Harbaughs type of player anyways.

Vox Populi
06-15-2009, 09:12 PM
you know that's gonna be the story. It should be fun to see though, since they'll be severely conflicted on this one.

"Brandon Marshall wasn't that good, he had a great QB"
- "Didn't you say that Cutler was only good because of Marshall?"
"Yeah... but... ehh...."
- "But what?"
"Both would suck without Eddie Royal"
- "What?"
"eh... the sum is greater than the parts"
- "..."

The early bird gets the bird when in Rome, am I right?

Gay Ork Wang
06-15-2009, 09:17 PM
Same here.
Liar. McDaniels is a god, he is the reason for Chicago having the Cutlerpimp

LonghornsLegend
06-15-2009, 09:20 PM
I like the Ravens rumor, they have a franchise QB with a big arm and a great young offensive line, really a play-maker at WR is all this team needs and a possession WR like Marshall makes more sense then just a deep threat.


Still, I don't see why Denver wants to keep trading studs for picks, McDaniels won't even last that long...They were supposed to be rebuilding the defense this off-season, somehow that's turned into rebuilding the offense and defense this year.

TimD
06-15-2009, 09:27 PM
i really don't think the broncos will be that bad. when you look at their projected starters i see a solid team.

QB- Orton - he's proven he can play at a starters level and mcdaniels will only help him improve
RB- Moreno, Jordan, Buckhalter, Hillis - very talented backfield that could really beat up on some teams
WR- Royal, Stokley, Gaffney, Jackson, Lloyd - solid even without marshall
OL- I really don't know much about their oline except for Clady and Harris but I don't think its ever been a weakness for them

Their defense is young and adjusting to the 3-4 but there are some solid players on it. B-Dawk, Champ, Dumervill (breakout yr?), Hill

Brothgar
06-15-2009, 09:42 PM
If I wasn't a Lions fan I would hope that the Bears would get Marshall

Vox Populi
06-15-2009, 09:44 PM
i really don't think the broncos will be that bad. when you look at their projected starters i see a solid team.

QB- Orton - he's proven he can play at a starters level and mcdaniels will only help him improve
RB- Moreno, Jordan, Buckhalter, Hillis - very talented backfield that could really beat up on some teams
WR- Royal, Stokley, Gaffney, Jackson, Lloyd - solid even without marshall
OL- I really don't know much about their oline except for Clady and Harris but I don't think its ever been a weakness for them

Their defense is young and adjusting to the 3-4 but there are some solid players on it. B-Dawk, Champ, Dumervill (breakout yr?), Hill

The receiver position for them is bad because their top three guys are all slot guys. They can all be decent, and Royal can be solid split out wide, but they are all way better in the slot. I think Lloyd might be the most natural wide out they have without Marshall.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-15-2009, 09:46 PM
i really don't think the broncos will be that bad. when you look at their projected starters i see a solid team.

QB- Orton - he's proven he can play at a starters level and mcdaniels will only help him improve
RB- Moreno, Jordan, Buckhalter, Hillis - very talented backfield that could really beat up on some teams
WR- Royal, Stokley, Gaffney, Jackson, Lloyd - solid even without marshall
OL- I really don't know much about their oline except for Clady and Harris but I don't think its ever been a weakness for them

Their defense is young and adjusting to the 3-4 but there are some solid players on it. B-Dawk, Champ, Dumervill (breakout yr?), Hill

Dumervil can't have a breakout year, he's already had a season in double digit sacks. And it's basically the same terrible personnel + a dinosaur safety(who is good, but is still a safety and old). Without Marshall, we're gonna suck. I dunno how good Knowshon can be. I'm thinking 5-11 or 6-10 but I've always been optimistic about my teams.

lordquas
06-15-2009, 09:59 PM
if he ends up a Raven i'll bust happiness and joy all over my face.

Paul
06-15-2009, 10:04 PM
Flacco(24) to Marshall(25) for the next 8-10 years would be beyond sick.

the decider13
06-15-2009, 10:20 PM
Flacco(24) to Marshall(25) for the next 8-10 years would be beyond sick.

Said the same about Cutler and Marshall...weird how things work out.

Chief49er
06-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Don't worry Denver, you just picked up Brandon Lloyd!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Chiefdustin/blduck.gif

CC.SD
06-16-2009, 12:00 AM
Don't worry Denver, you just picked up Brandon Lloyd!

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b106/Chiefdustin/blduck.gif

To this day, I cannot ******* believe this clip. I must have seen it a thousand times and every day I slap myself because it can't, it just can't, be a real NFL player.

Geo
06-16-2009, 12:52 AM
He didn't want it to get deflected off his head and end up as an easy interception. Yeah, that's it.

d34ng3l021
06-16-2009, 01:42 AM
To this day, I cannot ******* believe this clip. I must have seen it a thousand times and every day I slap myself because it can't, it just can't, be a real NFL player.

To think that he has been playing football his whole life, and he gets scared by a football coming at him? Man...

Ness
06-16-2009, 03:31 AM
Pat Bowlen should have just kept his mouth closed. Firing Shanahan was a huge mistake. At least at this point in time. It was too soon.

Gay Ork Wang
06-16-2009, 04:50 AM
He didn't want it to get deflected off his head and end up as an easy interception. Yeah, that's it.
i think so too, he prolly thought that ball cant be for me, there has to be someone behind me

NY+Giants=NYG
06-16-2009, 07:30 AM
Man on man, I feel sorry for the Broncos. They are having issues across the board since Shanny left.

wicket
06-16-2009, 07:45 AM
Marshall to cincy? would make sense. I'll leave it to the reader to determine how it makes sense';)

Addict
06-16-2009, 08:53 AM
Man on man, I feel sorry for the Broncos. They are having issues across the board since Shanny left.

you mean since they FIRED Shanny and hired McDumbass

Dam8610
06-16-2009, 09:44 AM
I don't think firing Shanahan was the mistake, as Shanahan has had basically the same formulaic season every year for the past few seasons (hot start, mediocre middle, cold at the end). I don't even think hiring McDaniels was the mistake. The mistake was letting McDaniels have so much control that he drove the franchise QB out of town.

lordquas
06-16-2009, 09:48 AM
the mistake all starts with McDaniels.
He should've met Cutler, numerious times, in person, to discuss the problem.
He didn't, he let the media get hold of it and ESPN basically forced a Cutler trade.
McDaniels is off to a horrible start, letting go of Brandon Marshall would be the worst mistake.

tjsunstein
06-16-2009, 09:50 AM
Denver is riding a downward spiral. I hope I'm wrong and they do well this year.

IndyColtScout
06-16-2009, 10:35 AM
I think everyone is freaking out on DEN a little. There is no denying that McD was dumb to trade Cutler and now Marshall. The fact is, McD couldn't lead the locker room with those two guys around whether we consider them cancers or not.

I still think DEN is as good or better than the Chief, and I think DEN can still play for a .500 season.

They got a good Oline w/ a once in a decade LT, some good RB's with different styles, will probably run the ball more, Orton still has more weapons than he did in CHI, Orton will prob be comfortable with Lloyd in the mix, Caldwell/Stokley are both multi year vets and will find receptions, and Royal is a very talented young player. As you can see, I still think their offense can put up a few points.

The big problem is still the D, and if I'm McD I'm asking for a good 3-4 defensive players and a 1st or 2nd round pick for Marshall.

One last thing I'm looking to address with all the McD slip ups: The SEA draft day trade. Everyone views this as a terrible trade swapping next year's DEN 1st for the rights to Alphonso Smith. Well, you're not looking at this from the right angle. Year in year out, every team in the top 10-15 picks is usually looking to trade down anyways from the signing bonuses and guarenteed money these rookies want. McD probably would prefer to use that money on a veteran for next year's FA. I do believe DEN should have got a bit more value like maybe a 4th round pick from SEA as well. However, if you're a team looking to avoid paying a rookie a lot of money than this was possibly a better trade than we think.

I think we should all sit back and watch thing play out. I've seen a lot of DEN fans on other sites already calling for his firing. You guys have no clue. McD could be the next great coach.

Dam8610
06-16-2009, 11:02 AM
The big problem is still the D, and if I'm McD I'm asking for a good 3-4 defensive players and a 1st or 2nd round pick for Marshall.

I think you'd get laughed out of every front office in the league considering his contract demands and character issues.

IndyColtScout
06-16-2009, 11:08 AM
I think you'd get laughed out of every front office in the league considering his contract demands and character issues.

Didn't TO go for a 2nd round pick at about 32 years of age?

DeathbyStat
06-16-2009, 11:16 AM
yeah....sounds like McDaniel's style to to get rid of pro bowl players

IndyColtScout
06-16-2009, 11:23 AM
yeah....sounds like McDaniel's style to to get rid of pro bowl players

I think it's more about not risking the whole locker room on two players regardless of their pro bowl stature.

Dam8610
06-16-2009, 11:39 AM
Didn't TO go for a 2nd round pick at about 32 years of age?

He got a 2nd round pick when he was traded from the 49ers, though I don't think he was 32 then. Still, he's been released twice since then, and this is a different time than back then. Teams are far more concerned about character now.

Paul
06-16-2009, 11:41 AM
He was 30 at the time.

Gay Ork Wang
06-16-2009, 11:43 AM
its funny how clady is considerd a once in a decade LT already after the same thing was said about Joe Thomas just 2 years ago

besides, only the top6 or so are getting outrageous money. the rest is pretty solid and often even cheap

Diehard
06-16-2009, 12:12 PM
I'm not sure why everyone is hanging this on McD - Marshall was one of the first guys to come out in support of him.

This is purely about money. A lot of things are lining up against BMarsh if he doesn't get paid now:

1. off-field problems

One goof up and he could be sitting out for half a season.

2. recovery from his hip injury

He wants to rehab away from the team, with his own set of doctors and trainers... hmm, perhaps he's not keen for the team to take a close look at that hip?

3. CBA uncertainty

Lots of scenarios here, none of which are particularly favorable to his wallet.

4. Production

Even if he recovers fully and plays every game, I don't see him putting up the same kind of numbers as he's done in the past. The offensive system will spread the ball around more.

Don't get me wrong - I have no interest in seeing Brandon leave Denver. However, I think the team would very much like to see him healthy and on good behaviour for an entire season before giving him the big $$$. He really doesn't have a lot of leverage other than the bad PR around Cutler's departure, so I think the team can afford to be patient with him... as many teams have done with their diva WR's.

jkpigskin
06-16-2009, 12:12 PM
Marshall to cincy? would make sense. I'll leave it to the reader to determine how it makes sense';)

o, it makes sense ;)

but i was just watching sportscenter and it seems like the front office is willing to trade marsh

stephenson86
06-16-2009, 12:15 PM
eddie HOF royal ftw

Shane P. Hallam
06-16-2009, 12:26 PM
Why not trade him to Seattle for Denver's first round pick back?

IndyColtScout
06-16-2009, 12:33 PM
Ravens are supposedly interested so the kind of deal I'm talking is 3-4 D player along with a 2nd rounder. So let's say:

Tommy Z and next years 2nd

for

Brandon Marshall and a new deal.

IndyColtScout
06-16-2009, 12:38 PM
Rumor is the Bears are the front runner to land Marshall and the deal is rumored to be:

CHI 2010 2nd
CHI 2010 4th

for

Brandon Marshall
DEN 2010 5th

Gay Ork Wang
06-16-2009, 12:41 PM
Tommy Z is useless in a trade


and holy crap if this goes through. holy crap

Diehard
06-16-2009, 12:47 PM
Apparently, Marshall's agent thinks the team is willing to help make a trade happen:

http://community.kdvr.com/_AGENT-BREAKING-BRONCOS-WILL-ATTEMPT-TO-FACILIATE-MARSHALLS-TRADE-REQUEST/BLOG/352100/96399.html?as=96399

regoob2
06-16-2009, 12:51 PM
Rumor is the Bears are the front runner to land Marshall and the deal is rumored to be:

CHI 2010 2nd
CHI 2010 4th

for

Brandon Marshall
DEN 2010 5thLink or your ********.

Gay Ork Wang
06-16-2009, 12:53 PM
If the Bears get him, Pat Bowlen and McD are the best Bears FO

Paul
06-16-2009, 12:53 PM
Josh McDainels has to be a secret operative working for the bears.

regoob2
06-16-2009, 12:59 PM
Broncos could go from Cutler to Marshall, to Orton to Lloyd. LOL.

Shane P. Hallam
06-16-2009, 12:59 PM
If the Bears get him, Pat Bowlen and McD are the best Bears FO

If you are the Bears, what would you give up for him?

regoob2
06-16-2009, 01:00 PM
If you are the Bears, what would you give up for him?With his background I couldnt see giving up more than a 2nd.

Ravens1991
06-16-2009, 01:14 PM
As much as I love marshalls skill set I can't see ozzie trading for him. We'd be better off with boldin or just keeping our draft picks and focus on re-signing Suggs and Gaither. Marshall isn't Harbaughs type of player anyways.


Fabian Washington came here and was suspended his first game for domestic violence, Rolle had Domestic violence when he came here as well. I hope it happens

nobodyinparticular
06-16-2009, 01:26 PM
Josh McDainels has to be a secret operative working for the bears.

No, Al Davis hired him to tear apart the Denver franchise. And, no joke, Norv Turner is still working for Al too. ;-)

SFbear
06-16-2009, 01:44 PM
Well currently the Bears are pursuing Burress so Im not sure I buy the Marshall trade rumors to the Bears.

Bears | Have placed call to Burress
Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:30:30 -0700

Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Chicago Bears have placed a call to the agent for free-agent WR Plaxico Burress (Giants), Drew Rosenhaus.

Vox Populi
06-16-2009, 03:39 PM
No, Al Davis hired him to tear apart the Denver franchise. And, no joke, Norv Turner is still working for Al too. ;-)

Its much more likely than your winky face might indicate. Al Davis does not play games and he does not make winky faces.

SFbear
06-16-2009, 03:47 PM
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/16/broncos-to-brandon-see-you-in-camp/

”We look forward to having Brandon at training camp,” coach Josh McDaniels said Tuesday, according to the Denver Post.

LizardState
06-16-2009, 04:04 PM
The sh*t-train just keeps on rolling.

McDaniel opened up this Pandora's Box with dumping on Cutler for daring to object to the franchise going disfunctional with the Shanahan firing, now the PR nightmare doesn't end. Their FO is going to spend all their efforts in 09 trying to do damage control, if there is any way to spin this so they don't look like complete f*ckheads.

oh wait..............:o

They're discovering in Denver now that there are many levels to NFL hell, many yet unexplored levels of franchise disfunctionality as they reserve themselves a spot in the top 3-5 teams drafting next April. How could it get worse?

Sure Sign of Trouble, 08 Season: Being swept by the Raiders, completely unable to stop the run.

Sure Sign of Trouble, 09: Orton replaces Cutler. Finger-pointing from owner Pat Bowlen down the team foodchain to Chicago QB Cutler, McDaniel points fingers at everyone else. Brandon Marshall, the NFL player not named Marshawn Lynch most likely to be suspended for for 4 or more games due to multiple offseason police-involved incidents, wants to be traded, a story that would be ironic & even LYAO hilarious if it was their only offseason story. Every preseason mag lists Denver dead last 4th in the AFC West in their preseason predictions. Or, when top draft choice Knowshon Moreno is next to demand a trade before playing his 1st game as a Bronco. Or <fill in name of any starting Denver defensive player here> demands a trade.....

The sh*t-train just keeps on rolling. It's mid-June, dullest time of the NFL yr, everyone would be posting on the Off Topic board if it wasn't for the Denver meltdown. Somewhere in Chicago now Cutler is smiling.

Get outta Denver, baby
Get outta Denver,
You might be a lover
Or you might just be a winner, baby,
Get outta Denver
Get outta Denver

Bob Seger

CC.SD
06-16-2009, 05:57 PM
If Chicago picks up Marshall somehow, I will love them unlike any other non-Charger team I've ever loved. Except Buffalo. Thanks Buffalo! I still love you guys.

thenewfeature06
06-16-2009, 06:05 PM
If i was Denver i would move him, his behavior has been off and on and now that Cutler has already been shopped out i feel that Orton wouldn't even be on the same page as marshall...

Teams interested Imo:
-Ravens
-Eagles
-Minn

Sniper
06-16-2009, 06:07 PM
-Eagles

Again, probably not.

BlindSite
06-16-2009, 06:16 PM
Meanwhile Orton a dude who coming out no one expected to do anything by grow a neckbeard and pound champagne at the clubs is entering his 2nd consecutive year as a starter. Booya

SFbear
06-16-2009, 06:21 PM
It's a...

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/valleywag/2008/10/fire_sale.gif

http://theozzone.com/images/Records/tv_tributes/arrested_development/acting_fire_sale_c.jpg

Everything must go.

Honestly I feel really bad for Dawkins. He had to have picked Denver because he thought the offense was set and that he could help the defense enough to go deep into the playoffs. Denver still has a lot of talent on offense (Oline, Royal, Sheffler, Moreno) and could surprise this year but things are looking shaky.

CC.SD
06-16-2009, 06:39 PM
It's a...

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/valleywag/2008/10/fire_sale.gif

http://theozzone.com/images/Records/tv_tributes/arrested_development/acting_fire_sale_c.jpg

Everything must go.

Honestly I feel really bad for Dawkins. He had to have picked Denver because he thought the offense was set and that he could help the defense enough to go deep into the playoffs. Denver still has a lot of talent on offense (Oline, Royal, Sheffler, Moreno) and could surprise this year but things are looking shaky.

Excellent AD reference. +rep

GhostDeini
06-16-2009, 06:44 PM
So McDaniels comes right in and trades a franchise QB, selects a limited RB 12th overall when Shanahan found Clinton Portis in the 2nd round and now wants to trade Brandon Marshall who has 3 straight 100 catch seasons. This has to be worst start hire imagineable. With the 1st pick of 2010 NFL Draft Denver Broncos select..........................

Paul
06-16-2009, 06:49 PM
So McDaniels comes right in and trades a franchise QB, selects a limited RB 12th overall when Shanahan found Clinton Portis in the 2nd round and now wants to trade Brandon Marshall who has 3 straight 100 catch seasons. This has to be worst start hire imagineable. With the 1st pick of 2010 NFL Draft Denver Broncos select..........................

They don't have a 1st rounder for 2010.

CC.SD
06-16-2009, 06:56 PM
They don't have a 1st rounder for 2010.

It's pretty amazing that McDaniels has gotten all this accomplished and has not actually coached a down yet. He is the HC Charlie Weiss of the NFL...he will have schematic advantages...

Gay Ork Wang
06-16-2009, 07:22 PM
They don't have a 1st rounder for 2010.
well they do have the Bears first Pick, so i hope that never happens

superman8456
06-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Just because a player wants out, it doesnt mean they will get traded. Look at Anquan Boldin. He wants out but isnt gonna go anywhere.

I think Brandon Marshall wants out because his QB got out. What top 10 WR would WANT to have Kyle Orton throwing to him? Maybe he doesnt like where the system is headed. They signed a bunch of RB's in free agency and drafted Knowshon. He could feel like he wont be utilized enough.

imo nothing is going to come of this. He is staying put in Denver.

Smokey Joe
06-16-2009, 07:31 PM
Wait a minute... the Broncos actually traded their first round pick and not the Bears pick for Alphonso Smith? Lolz... I understand being confident, but no reason to be stupid. Best case scenario for McDaniels is that the Bears and Broncos are equally good or bad. He has to know there is little chance that the Bears would be any worse than the Broncos this year. Wow, way to go!

Also, I'll ******* **** my pants if that trade IndyColtScout posted happened.

Gay Ork Wang
06-16-2009, 07:35 PM
Just because a player wants out, it doesnt mean they will get traded. Look at Anquan Boldin. He wants out but isnt gonna go anywhere.

I think Brandon Marshall wants out because his QB got out. What top 10 WR would WANT to have Kyle Orton throwing to him? Maybe he doesnt like where the system is headed. They signed a bunch of RB's in free agency and drafted Knowshon. He could feel like he wont be utilized enough.

imo nothing is going to come of this. He is staying put in Denver.
the front office said they would trade him

Da-Phins
06-16-2009, 07:37 PM
LOL at the Broncos. Easily starting to turn into one of the worst team in the nfl. The sad part is that they dont even have next year's 1st round pick which will most likely be a top 5 pick. I feel sorry for all the Broncos fans.

superman8456
06-16-2009, 07:56 PM
the front office said they would trade him

So did the Cardinals about Anquan Boldin. Eagles even matched what the Cardinals were looking for, and the deal still didnt happen.

SuperMcGee
06-16-2009, 07:59 PM
If Chicago picks up Marshall somehow, I will love them unlike any other non-Charger team I've ever loved. Except Buffalo. Thanks Buffalo! I still love you guys.

Fred Jackson and Reggie Corner love you, too.
In fact, Buffalo feels as though they should see the AFC West exclusively.
Please?

GhostDeini
06-16-2009, 08:01 PM
They dont have a 2010 first round pick ? LMAO ! Damn. Denver wasnt even that far away, they had alot of good pieces. Franchise QB,WR, LT, CB. But now this clown McDaniels has ran the franchise into the ground and week 1 is months away. He was suppose to go in there kissing some ass, especially the guys whose he's gonna need but instead he went in with some b/s philosophy...as a ROOKIE head coach, LMFAO !

Scotty D
06-16-2009, 08:14 PM
The Roy Williams trade has screwed over so many of these guys asking for trades. He didn't even ask for one!

GhostDeini
06-16-2009, 08:22 PM
Scotty D, I'm feelin your 2nd statement under that Mega sig. He wont win R.O.Y. but I feel he will have most impact to his team as a rookie. And people have been saying Ravens should acquire Marshall. Since they just took Michael Oher I would trade Jared Gaither for Marshall straight up. He's better at right tackle anyway. And Ravens need a WR over 5'10".

Ravens1991
06-16-2009, 08:52 PM
No way in hell we would do Gaither for Marshall

America
06-16-2009, 09:03 PM
And then have Clady, a top 5 LT. They don't need a tackle.

BlindSite
06-16-2009, 09:09 PM
The only way Marshall or really any relatively marquee player gets traded is if some team finds a glaring need and throws a first rounder into the mix, which is unlikely to happen given the fact that its still very very early in the preason and most organisations are cautiously optimistic about who they have.

the decider13
06-16-2009, 09:30 PM
No way in hell we would do Gaither for Marshall

I wouldn't do that either...we don't need a tackle. Now I would listen to a trade that involved Suggs or Ngata. I would give up a pick and Marshall for Ngata.

Gay Ork Wang
06-16-2009, 09:35 PM
I wouldn't do that either...we don't need a tackle. Now I would listen to a trade that involved Suggs or Ngata. I would give up a pick and Marshall for Ngata.
There is no way in hell Ngata gets traded. Ever

Sniper
06-16-2009, 09:47 PM
He's better at right tackle anyway.

No, he isn't.

Ravens1991
06-16-2009, 09:49 PM
yea Ngata will be the staple of our D for a long time he is a monster. How about a 2nd and a guy like Justin Bannan or Kelly Gregg? I doubt it goes down because of Gregg injury

lordquas
06-16-2009, 09:58 PM
No way is Ngata leaving Baltimore. Ever.
Only people Ravens would trade are
- McGahee
- Clayton
- Draft Picks

so i doubt it'll happen

Ravens1991
06-16-2009, 10:02 PM
McGahee and Picks I would love it!

Smokey Joe
06-16-2009, 10:04 PM
So did the Cardinals about Anquan Boldin. Eagles even matched what the Cardinals were looking for, and the deal still didnt happen.
Where'd you hear that? I heard no team was offering what the Cards wanted (a 1st and a 3rd) and the best offer they got was from the Bears (2nd round pick).

superman8456
06-16-2009, 10:07 PM
Where'd you hear that? I heard no team was offering what the Cards wanted (a 1st and a 3rd) and the best offer they got was from the Bears (2nd round pick).

It was on an Eagles board about two or three days after the draft. Andy Reid also mentioned in interviews (philadelphiaeagles.com) that the organization had talked to the Cardinals previously to the draft and on the day of the draft.

the decider13
06-16-2009, 10:09 PM
There is no way in hell Ngata gets traded. Ever

Me six months ago
"There is no way Cutler and Marshall are going to be traded"

Packers fans 3 years ago
"There is no way Favre would ever think about being a viking"

Sadly, anything can happen. But yeah, I highly doubt Ngata would ever be traded, but I want to dream a little.

Smokey Joe
06-16-2009, 10:09 PM
It was on an Eagles board about two or three days after the draft. Andy Reid also mentioned in interviews (philadelphiaeagles.com) that the organization had talked to the Cardinals previously to the draft and on the day of the draft.
I've also heard Reid say they didn't offer anything more than a 2nd rounder.

Paul
06-16-2009, 10:27 PM
Me six months ago
"There is no way Cutler and Marshall are going to be traded"

Packers fans 3 years ago
"There is no way Favre would ever think about being a viking"

Sadly, anything can happen. But yeah, I highly doubt Ngata would ever be traded, but I want to dream a little.

Well Ngata isn't disgruntled nor is he a 40 year old attention *****.

Ravens1991
06-16-2009, 10:53 PM
Or demanding for a trade because he got his feelings hurt.

superman8456
06-16-2009, 10:55 PM
What would be the asking price for Brandon Marshall anyway?

Bears fans are dumbasses thinking they have a chance at getting Marshall with a second.

regoob2
06-16-2009, 11:34 PM
What would be the asking price for Brandon Marshall anyway?

Bears fans are dumbasses thinking they have a chance at getting Marshall with a second.
When did we say we can get him for that. Im saying that's all we should offer.

superman8456
06-16-2009, 11:42 PM
When did we say we can get him for that. Im saying that's all we should offer.

Oh, then misquote by me. Marshall is going to demand just as much or more than Anquan would imo. He's an FA in 2011 anyway

regoob2
06-16-2009, 11:51 PM
Oh, then misquote by me. Marshall is going to demand just as much or more than Anquan would imo. He's an FA in 2011 anyway
Why would him being a FA next season make him more valuable in a trade?

the decider13
06-16-2009, 11:52 PM
Oh, then misquote by me. Marshall is going to demand just as much or more than Anquan would imo. He's an FA in 2011 anyway

He is actually a FA it 2010, this is his contract year. Which is why he wants to leave. His stats will go down like crazy when he isn't throw at 15 times a game.

Right now, I would say a first and a third, maybe less because of character issues. I could see him getting moved for just a first because it would make me sad.

scottyboy
06-16-2009, 11:53 PM
imagine if the bears traded for marshall and signed plaxico? if they could avoid beating women and shooting themselves, that'd be a dirty combo.

the decider13
06-17-2009, 12:01 AM
Which ever team Marshall goes to (except the bears) will become my 2nd favorite team. I don't have a problem with the bears, I just don't like Cutler anymore.

Best rumor I can find is still Ravens
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bal-ravens616,0,2680146.story

CC.SD
06-17-2009, 02:05 AM
ESPN radio said Marshall's blog stated that he would be traded? More than anything this makes me confident he will remain a Bronco.

Ness
06-17-2009, 03:50 AM
He is actually a FA it 2010, this is his contract year. Which is why he wants to leave. His stats will go down like crazy when he isn't throw at 15 times a game.

Right now, I would say a first and a third, maybe less because of character issues. I could see him getting moved for just a first because it would make me sad.

I'd say a first round selection would be reasonable, but really nothing more than that. He's a productive player sure, but he's had way too many mishaps. That being said, I do think Chicago should throw everything they've got at Denver again and try to acquire him. I think it would be worth it. Better than going after Plaxico Burress.

Scotty D
06-17-2009, 04:33 AM
I'd say a first round selection would be reasonable, but really nothing more than that. He's a productive player sure, but he's had way too many mishaps. That being said, I do think Chicago should throw everything they've got at Denver again and try to acquire him. I think it would be worth it. Better than going after Plaxico Burress.

No draft picks, no big contract, no recent injuries. Both have problems with Goodell though. I'd take the low risk of Burress over the investment in Marshall.

Gay Ork Wang
06-17-2009, 06:38 AM
Me six months ago
"There is no way Cutler and Marshall are going to be traded"

Packers fans 3 years ago
"There is no way Favre would ever think about being a viking"

Sadly, anything can happen. But yeah, I highly doubt Ngata would ever be traded, but I want to dream a little.
but there really is no reason at all. Favre was old and his retirement + comeback + retirement is really a special case.

When was the last time something like the Cutler case happened? It is unique because of the way the Broncos FO handled the case and Cutlers feeling.

there really is no reason for Ngata to be traded right now.

jkpigskin
06-17-2009, 09:28 AM
but there really is no reason at all. Favre was old and his retirement + comeback + retirement is really a special case.

When was the last time something like the Cutler case happened? It is unique because of the way the Broncos FO handled the case and Cutlers feeling.

there really is no reason for Ngata to be traded right now.

Ngata??? NOOOOOOOOOOOO wayyyyyyyyyy
IMO, he is more valuable than marshall and the ravens will always be about our defense (or as long as ray lewis is here) and losing ngata wouldnt make ray happy.

anyway a first and a third seems like a steep price but if we can sign him longterm, a 25 year old receiver doesnt look too bad for that price tag

Paul
06-17-2009, 09:38 AM
If Roy Williams, who was far less productive, can fetch a 1st and 3rd and Dieon Branch was gotten for a 1st, you know it isn't going to be cheap. Although with a public trade request from Marshall and his off the field baggage, Denver may not have much leverage.

superman8456
06-17-2009, 10:19 AM
Why would him being a FA next season make him more valuable in a trade?

He will be cheaper to resign than someone like Anquan Boldin. Marshall doesnt seem to be asking for 10M. I think you give him a good 5-7M a year contract and he'll be happy.

And a 25 year old receiver with as much potential that Marshall has are hard to come by now.

Gay Ork Wang
06-17-2009, 10:58 AM
He will be cheaper to resign than someone like Anquan Boldin. Marshall doesnt seem to be asking for 10M. I think you give him a good 5-7M a year contract and he'll be happy.

And a 25 year old receiver with as much potential that Marshall has are hard to come by now.
him being a FA actually make him have less value

Crickett
06-17-2009, 11:01 AM
imagine if the bears traded for marshall and signed plaxico? if they could avoid beating women and shooting themselves, that'd be a dirty combo.

But what are the odds of that happening?

LizardState
06-17-2009, 11:30 AM
the '09 Denver Broncos : the next 0-16 Detroit Lions, the neo-Leos?

"And with the 1st pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Broncos select ...."

superman8456
06-17-2009, 11:34 AM
the '09 Denver Broncos : the next 0-16 Detroit Lions, the neo-Leos?

"And with the 1st pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Broncos select ...."

They play the Chiefs and Raiders twice a year and still go 0-16?

Ravens1991
06-17-2009, 11:48 AM
Didnt they trade that pick to Seattle?

Gay Ork Wang
06-17-2009, 11:52 AM
they did. They however have the bears first rounder, so i hope i never hear the "with the 1st pick of the 2010, the Denver Broncos select" sentence

Smokey Joe
06-17-2009, 11:54 AM
him being a FA actually make him have less value
Actually, if the new CBA doesn't go through and next year is uncapped, Marshall will be under the control of whichever team has him for the next two years. Same goes for all other 4th year free agents.

Ness
06-17-2009, 11:59 AM
No draft picks, no big contract, no recent injuries. Both have problems with Goodell though. I'd take the low risk of Burress over the investment in Marshall.

Burress is already 31 and will be 32 before the start of the season. I think Marshall has the advantage of an investment because he's only 25 and he's had chemistry with Jay Cutler before.

vikes_28
06-17-2009, 12:01 PM
He can come to Minnesota. Chester Taylor for Brandon Marshall strait up.

TitleTown088
06-17-2009, 02:16 PM
Meanwhile, the other stud WR in the west is off to a impressive start.

Darrius Heyward-Bey re-injured his right hamstring during Wednesday's practice.

Cicero
06-17-2009, 02:24 PM
the '09 Denver Broncos : the next 0-16 Detroit Lions, the neo-Leos?

"And with the 1st pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Seattle Seahawks (from the Broncos) select ...."

Had to fix that for you.

thenewfeature06
06-17-2009, 03:11 PM
He can come to Minnesota. Chester Taylor for Brandon Marshall strait up.

As if the broncos dont have enough rb's

Geo
06-17-2009, 03:22 PM
Meanwhile, the other stud WR in the west is off to a impressive start.
Plus Dwayne Bowe reported overweight, and the Chargers' Top 3 receivers are all free agents after this season.

AFC West wide receivers: we do it wright.

lordquas
06-17-2009, 03:49 PM
how about this...

DT Kelly Gregg & next years 1st round pick

CC.SD
06-17-2009, 06:27 PM
Plus Dwayne Bowe reported overweight, and the Chargers' Top 3 receivers are all free agents after this season.

AFC West wide receivers: we do it wright.

It's not like they'll all walk away. Vincent Jackson and Chambers have got the local sportswriters touching themselves with the way they've been lighting up camp. Yay.

Manic Depressant
06-17-2009, 06:32 PM
It's not like they'll all walk away. Vincent Jackson and Chambers have got the local sportswriters touching themselves with the way they've been lighting up camp. Yay.

Beat reporters always jerk it this time of the year. It's all fluff articles to generate enthusiasm and optimism for the team.

CC.SD
06-17-2009, 06:42 PM
Beat reporters always jerk it this time of the year. It's all fluff articles to generate enthusiasm and optimism for the team.

That's quite a limb you're on. Next you are going to tell us the Earth is round. Get out of here Columbus, go sail your ship right off the map. :D

the decider13
06-17-2009, 06:43 PM
Beat reporters always jerk it this time of the year. It's all fluff articles to generate enthusiasm and optimism for the team.

Broncos beat writers don't do anything...everyone is losing whatever optimism they once had haha

Side note: Broncos just released LBers Boss Bailey and Louis Green. The Broncos haven't "confirmed" it, but it is from "multiple sources"
http://broncotalk.net/2009/06/sources-broncos-release-lbs-boss-bailey-louis-green/

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-17-2009, 06:44 PM
I hope we're awful next year so McDaniels and Xanders get fired, especially Xanders for trading that ******* pick.

superman8456
06-17-2009, 06:58 PM
I hope we're awful next year so McDaniels and Xanders get fired, especially Xanders for trading that ******* pick.

Alphonso Smith is a very good CB... always gotta look at the bright side

CC.SD
06-17-2009, 07:00 PM
Alphonso Smith is a very good CB... always gotta look at the bright side

The player the Broncos really need to trade is Champ. Do you really need him while so clearly rebuilding? He is worth more in what he can bring back than what he will bring to the team as it refuses to contend.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-17-2009, 07:02 PM
Alphonso Smith is a very good CB... always gotta look at the bright side


Good CB or no we could have written into the deal to make whichever pick ended up higher is the one in the trade. Because it was the 37th pick.... and we traded a probable top 10 for it.

M.O.T.H.
06-17-2009, 07:02 PM
The Broncos arent really re-building, though. Not intentionally. Their FA signings were veteran guys. Shows they'd like to win now. And they dont want to get rid of Marshall.

superman8456
06-17-2009, 07:03 PM
The player the Broncos really need to trade is Champ. Do you really need him while so clearly rebuilding? He is worth more in what he can bring back than what he will bring to the team as it refuses to contend.

You're extremely overrating Champs value. No more than a 3rd-4th is what they would get.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-17-2009, 07:06 PM
The player the Broncos really need to trade is Champ. Do you really need him while so clearly rebuilding? He is worth more in what he can bring back than what he will bring to the team as it refuses to contend.

I'm sure they're talking about moving him, if they can get a good price. If not, he's worth keeping around. If we give the Bears the top pick, I'm playing my Shotgun mouthwash card.

CC.SD
06-17-2009, 07:06 PM
You're extremely overrating Champs value. No more than a 3rd-4th is what they would get.

I bet they could con a 2nd out of a contending team. I'd shudder to think of Champ as a Pat/Steeler or even Viking.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-17-2009, 07:08 PM
The Broncos arent really re-building, though. Not intentionally. Their FA signings were veteran guys. Shows they'd like to win now. And they dont want to get rid of Marshall.

I admire our effort, but I'm sure the Lions wouldn't mind winning now either.

Gay Ork Wang
06-17-2009, 08:01 PM
It's not like they'll all walk away. Vincent Jackson and Chambers have got the local sportswriters touching themselves with the way they've been lighting up camp. Yay.
same can be said about all the BEARS WRs. yes, the BEARS WRs

Gay Ork Wang
06-17-2009, 08:02 PM
I'm sure they're talking about moving him, if they can get a good price. If not, he's worth keeping around. If we give the Bears the top pick, I'm playing my Shotgun mouthwash card.
you mean seahawks

CC.SD
06-17-2009, 09:38 PM
same can be said about all the BEARS WRs. yes, the BEARS WRs

I secretly think the bears wideouts are gonna be pretty good this year, or at least good enough. Finally they have an arm to catch up to Hester, and I dig the Cutler/Bennett history. Plus it's time for G-Reg to get it on.

Ravens1991
06-17-2009, 09:45 PM
PFT reports that Browns are looking at him. But they also said that could lead to Braylon Edwards to Baltimore so you cant believe that

CC.SD
06-17-2009, 09:49 PM
PFT reports that Browns are looking at him. But they also said that could lead to Braylon Edwards to Baltimore so you cant believe that

Braylon for Marshall is probably a lateral move, which translates into a salvaged situation for the Broncos if you ask me. It's not like they'd be losing a ton of QB/WR chemistry.

Ravens1991
06-17-2009, 10:19 PM
How is Marshall as a teammate? Is he a chemistry killer?

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-17-2009, 11:15 PM
I secretly think the bears wideouts are gonna be pretty good this year, or at least good enough. Finally they have an arm to catch up to Hester, and I dig the Cutler/Bennett history. Plus it's time for G-Reg to get it on.

Last time I posted G-Reg's verse, DG deleted it so I wouldn't get infracted.

jkpigskin
06-18-2009, 12:18 AM
Braylon for Marshall would actually make a whole lot of sense.




I hope it doesnt happen =D

d34ng3l021
06-18-2009, 03:51 AM
How is Marshall as a teammate? Is he a chemistry killer?

I don't know if its a chemistry killer per se, but knowing that this:

According to Orlando-Orange County public records (case 48-2004-MM-012392-O), on Halloween 2004, while a student at UCF, Marshall was arrested in Orlando on charges of assault on a law enforcement officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct and resisting an officer.[39]

On March 26, 2007, Marshall was arrested in the Highlands Ranch suburb of Denver on suspicion of domestic violence after his girlfriend reported that following a domestic dispute, Marshall prevented a taxi she was in from leaving his house.[42] Charges from the incident were later dismissed on May 25, 2007, after Marshall completed anger management counseling.[43]

In the early morning of October 22, 2007, Marshall was arrested in the Denver-Aurora metropolitan area at the intersection of 14th and Blake St. for driving under the influence of alcohol.[44] A trial was scheduled for September 16, but Marshall instead agreed to a plea bargain four days earlier; he pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of driving while ability impaired.[45] He was sentenced to one-year probation and 24 hours of community service.

On June 12, 2008, Marshall was ticketed for an illegal lane change, then found to be without his license and proof of insurance.[46] The case was eventually dropped as part of a plea bargain for the October 22, 2007 driving incident involving alcohol.[45]

According to an article published in the Rocky Mountain News on July 28, 2008, Douglas County deputies fielded "about 11" calls to Marshall's home since January 2006. The article stated that one call resulted in Marshall being arrested (the March 26, 2007 domestic dispute), and some did not involve him at all.[47]

A September 17, 2008 article on CompleteColorado.com stated that the solicitor's office in Fulton County, Georgia filed misdemeanor battery charges on September 10 for an alleged incident on March 4, 2008, in Atlanta, Georgia. Marshall was booked on March 6, then released the next day after posting a $1,000 cash bond.[48] The case was assigned to Judge John Mather in Georgia state court. An email from Judge Mather's office to CompleteColorado.com indicated that no court date had been set, but that the date would likely be in November or December.[49]

On March 1, 2009, Marshall was arrested in Atlanta for disorderly conduct after allegedly being involved in a fight with his fiancee, Michi Nogami-Campbell. Marshall was released on a $300 bond.[50] The charges were dropped the following day.[51]

is happening with your teammate, it could create a buzz kill in the locker room.

[-Wikipedia]

Jimmy
06-18-2009, 06:11 AM
Being a Broncos fan right now is not fun.

BcLion
06-18-2009, 06:31 AM
I admire our effort, but I'm sure the Lions wouldn't mind winning now either.

Get used to it, Words like effort,pound the rock,WiDeReCiEvEr,put the blame on me,etc.etc.etc....

I think Mcdaniels is the love child of Matt "Moron" Millen and Joan Rivers.

eaglesalltheway
06-18-2009, 07:30 AM
I bet they could con a 2nd out of a contending team. I'd shudder to think of Champ as a Pat/Steeler or even Viking.

Agreed, even though Champ is getting up there and is beginning to slow down, albeit slightly, he is easily worth a second rounder IMO.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-18-2009, 08:08 AM
I don't know if its a chemistry killer per se, but knowing that this:



is happening with your teammate, it could create a buzz kill in the locker room.

[-Wikipedia]



LOL True dat. I would hate to be the WR position coach who would have to deal with him and that distraction.

CC.SD
06-18-2009, 12:28 PM
LOL True dat. I would hate to be the WR position coach who would have to deal with him and that distraction.

When your nickname is Baby T.O., that comes with the territory.

LizardState
06-18-2009, 01:15 PM
Plus Dwayne Bowe reported overweight, and the Chargers' Top 3 receivers are all free agents after this season.

AFC West wide receivers: we do it wright.

Ah yes, the AFC West, where pro WR careers go to die..... Local press is speculating that the forever self-destructive Raiders may have drafted the "next Rashaun Woods" in DHB:

From Tim Kawakami, San Jose Mercury News Sports 1) Maybe the most significant event of yesterday: Raiders’ No. 1 pick Darrius Heyward-Strain, err… I mean Heyward-Bey… pulled up after one route in Wednesday’s OTA.

That hamstring has been a nettlesome issue for DHB this entire off-season–DHB was not known as an injury-prone guy in his unproductive Maryland days.

So maybe he’s just going through a random bit of hamstring tenderness. Maybe he’ll be 100% once training camp starts in Napa in late July and explode past all defenders.

But we’ve all seen this before out of a first-round WR in the Bay Area, and the precedent is not a happy one: Rashaun Woods couldn’t make it through a couple practices at a time after the 49ers drafted him in the first round (31st overall) in 2004.

Woods just wasn’t physically capable of getting to NFL speed without his legs giving out on him. He caught a total of 7 passes in his 49ers career. Oops.

An old coach told me long ago that the first thing rookies have to prove is that they can stay healthy in the NFL–the practices are harder and more important than in college, the games are tougher, and the willingness to baby players is less prevalent.

If they can’t get through practices, doesn’t matter how talented they are, they’ll never make it as NFL standouts.


Of course, Al Davis is going to baby DHB for a little while and will blame anybody else he can think of for Heyward-Bey’s leg troubles.

As Mike Lombardi hilariously pointed out via Twitter: ”The groundskeeper probably did not mow the grass right… he will get blamed.”

But if DHB can’t make it through a couple practices in a row at Napa… Man, Al will have to blame the people who convinced him to draft DHB. Darn those football guys who keep forcing Al to draft shaky players!

Oh, and second-round reach Mike Mitchell also stayed out of action in yesterday’s final OTA session over leg issues. (OTAs conclude today, but it’s not open to the media.)

That's it, Fire the groundskeepers! LMAO .... like my HS coaches used to rag on players who fell down for no reason in practice "That tall grass will trip ya every time" :rolleyes:

Sportswriters have to write something about the minicamps, a Raiders top draft pick busting is just barely newsworthy anymore.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-18-2009, 01:42 PM
When your nickname is Baby T.O., that comes with the territory.

Well I can understand why he wants to be paid now. Imagine putting up good numbers and want a pay day, and then your team trades it's franchise QB away. Factor in a new HC and/or offensive system, and you know your numbers may really go down. Then fans and the media would say this is an off year, when in reality other factors messed with your production. So I def. can understand why he wants his money now. It's basically pay me now for what I did, and if my numbers stink because of the other factors I can breath easy knowing it's not my bad and you're not going to pay me based on that year and over look what I did when Cutler was there.

Worse situation is him have an "off year" and then the Broncos say, hmm, maybe you're not that good and it was Cutler that made you good, and factor in off the field stuff, try to spin the situation and give him less money.

I don't fault him for wanting to get paid, and I almost always side with management, but in this case I understand BM's case.

Geo
06-18-2009, 02:49 PM
Don't weep for Marshall. Even as a former 4th round pick, somehow he has a base salary of $2.198M for this season. Must have had escalators in his contract, I suppose.

The comfy set-up Cutler and Marshall had in Denver is done with. Either step up like a man and a champion, or pack your attitude with your bags on the way out.

Imo both guys qualify for the latter rather than the former. Big and talented just makes you big and talented, not a winner. That requires something extra inside.

the decider13
06-18-2009, 02:53 PM
Well I can understand why he wants to be paid now. Imagine putting up good numbers and want a pay day, and then your team trades it's franchise QB away. Factor in a new HC and/or offensive system, and you know your numbers may really go down. Then fans and the media would say this is an off year, when in reality other factors messed with your production. So I def. can understand why he wants his money now. It's basically pay me now for what I did, and if my numbers stink because of the other factors I can breath easy knowing it's not my bad and you're not going to pay me based on that year and over look what I did when Cutler was there.

Worse situation is him have an "off year" and then the Broncos say, hmm, maybe you're not that good and it was Cutler that made you good, and factor in off the field stuff, try to spin the situation and give him less money.

I don't fault him for wanting to get paid, and I almost always side with management, but in this case I understand BM's case.

But his numbers were inflated by the offense he was in last year. He was targeted more times than anyone last year, he better have put up gaudy numbers. I like him a lot, but he just wants out because he won't put up pro bowl numbers when he isn't being thrown to 181 times.

bigbluedefense
06-18-2009, 03:02 PM
Don't weep for Marshall. Even as a former 4th round pick, somehow he has a base salary of $2.198M for this season. Must have had escalators in his contract, I suppose.

The comfy set-up Cutler and Marshall had in Denver is done with. Either step up like a man and a champion, or pack your attitude with your bags on the way out.

Imo both guys qualify for the latter rather than the former. Big and talented just makes you big and talented, not a winner. That requires something extra inside.

Cutler will be a winner in Chicago. I guarantee it.

The Dynasty
06-18-2009, 03:20 PM
Cutler will be a winner in Chicago. I guarantee it.

Well if Orton could have a 21-12-0 Record in Chicago and Rex Grossman could have a 19-12-0 record as well in Chicago. Jay Cutler shouldnt have any problem being a winner in Chicago.

bigbluedefense
06-18-2009, 03:28 PM
Well if Orton could have a 21-12-0 Record in Chicago and Rex Grossman could have a 19-12-0 record as well in Chicago. Jay Cutler shouldnt have any problem being a winner in Chicago.

Exactly. Even if people want to point out that their defense is aging and not what it used to be, the Bears still went 9-7 with that defense with Kyle Orton at qb.

This year they get Pace at LT, they get their injured RT back, they get Hester in year 2, Forte in year 2, Cutler, i see no reason why this team can't contend in the future.

Even if not this year, definitely in the future.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-18-2009, 03:46 PM
But his numbers were inflated by the offense he was in last year. He was targeted more times than anyone last year, he better have put up gaudy numbers. I like him a lot, but he just wants out because he won't put up pro bowl numbers when he isn't being thrown to 181 times.

That's the fine line, and different topic altogether, between talent vs system.. Agents and players will look at the end result which is production, while GMs have to look at talent and the system already established. One example is Derrick Ward. We let him go because we feel like we have others who are as talented if not more, and in this system can produce. So he and his agent are going to look at production and use that as the measuring stick. Hence them wanting to get paid now rather then production go down, and get less money.

Geo
06-18-2009, 05:06 PM
Cutler will be a winner in Chicago. I guarantee it.
The Denver Broncos should have made the playoffs each of the last three years.

But I do think Cutler will do well in Chicago, because Angelo gives them direction and talent, and Lovie Smith is an okay/good coach. All this talk about receivers is overblown imo, well other than Angelo should get over his ego and dump Rashied Davis because he can't catch well enough, but the real issue is the defense - specifically the ends and the secondary.

CC.SD
06-18-2009, 07:28 PM
The Denver Broncos should have made the playoffs each of the last three years.

But I do think Cutler will do well in Chicago, because Angelo gives them direction and talent, and Lovie Smith is an okay/good coach. All this talk about receivers is overblown imo, well other than Angelo should get over his ego and dump Rashied Davis because he can't catch well enough, but the real issue is the defense - specifically the ends and the secondary.

Interesting assertion. They definitely missed some closeout opportunities in 08, but that D was so awful I don't think you can really even call it missed opportunities with a straight face, it was more like everything finally playing out according to the script. or karma for Hochuli/Saints game, if you prefer.

07 they choked finishing out the season. 06 too, and being 7-3(4?) makes it difficult to forgive missing the wild card, but they decided to break in Cutler which I will give them a pass for.

Not a given though that they should have been in the playoffs each of those years.

KCJ58
06-18-2009, 07:29 PM
Forgetting Brandon Marshall haha

superman8456
06-18-2009, 07:35 PM
Bronco's fans are the biggest fair weather fans in the WORLD. They are all gung-ho about a player as long as they're playing for them, but the second they want out or leave Broncos fans call out every single one of their flaws.

the decider13
06-18-2009, 08:02 PM
Bronco's fans are the biggest fair weather fans in the WORLD. They are all gung-ho about a player as long as they're playing for them, but the second they want out or leave Broncos fans call out every single one of their flaws.

WOAH

I will be called lots of things, but fair wather fan won't be one of them You obviously don't understand what that means. Is putting a team before a player a fair weather fan? NO. A fair weather fan is someone who only likes the team when they are good.

I cheered on Brian Griese when I was 10. Nothing fair weather about that.

superman8456
06-18-2009, 08:05 PM
WOAH

I will be called lots of things, but fair wather fan won't be one of them You obviously don't understand what that means. Is putting a team before a player a fair weather fan? NO. A fair weather fan is someone who only likes the team when they are good.

I cheered on Brian Griese when I was 10. Nothing fair weather about that.

You guys are so fairweather about your players. Once Brian Dawkins left, you didnt see Eagles fans calling him out about how the system made him the player he was.

Marshall asks for a trade and all of sudden he isnt that good considering how many times he gets thrown at, etc.

Paul
06-18-2009, 08:08 PM
Oh my, if only we could all be like those gracious Eagles fans. Get over yourself.

Ness
06-18-2009, 08:34 PM
The Denver Broncos should have made the playoffs each of the last three years.

How so? If they should have made the playoffs then they would have. That defense has been terrible for two straight seasons.

scottyboy
06-18-2009, 08:37 PM
Bronco's fans are the biggest fair weather fans in the WORLD. They are all gung-ho about a player as long as they're playing for them, but the second they want out or leave Broncos fans call out every single one of their flaws.

dude, you're the exact type of stereotypical eagles fan that gives iggs fans a horrible name. pot meet kettle.

superman8456
06-18-2009, 08:39 PM
dude, you're the exact type of stereotypical eagles fan that gives iggs fans a horrible name. pot meet kettle.

Ummm, how so? Because Im criticizing the Broncos fans for some posts in this thread that disturb me?

Im also pretty sure its the jackasses that call into WIP that gives us a bad name.

BmoreBlackByrdz
06-18-2009, 08:57 PM
Doesn't Brandon Marshall have a hip problem? Wouldn't that affect him and passing a physical? and Isn't passing a physical something you must do in order to complete a trade? I'm probably mistaken here but I just wanna make sure.

the decider13
06-18-2009, 10:13 PM
You guys are so fairweather about your players. Once Brian Dawkins left, you didnt see Eagles fans calling him out about how the system made him the player he was.

Marshall asks for a trade and all of sudden he isnt that good considering how many times he gets thrown at, etc.

So you honestly think that it was completely marshall's skills that had him put up good stats? It couldn't be that he had more balls thrown to him than any other player in the NFL? That's not a knock on him, it's a fact. Same reason I would tell people not to expect 4500 yards out of Cutler this year.

BTW, since you bring up Dawkins, did he ever demand a trade in his early 20's just because he was afraid he wouldn't make enough millions? Ever slowly tear apart the team? hmmmm

Doesn't Brandon Marshall have a hip problem? Wouldn't that affect him and passing a physical? and Isn't passing a physical something you must do in order to complete a trade? I'm probably mistaken here but I just wanna make sure.

It probably would be a hang up in the trade yeah, might have to wait until he has recovered enough to pass his physical.

superman8456
06-19-2009, 12:21 AM
So you honestly think that it was completely marshall's skills that had him put up good stats? It couldn't be that he had more balls thrown to him than any other player in the NFL? That's not a knock on him, it's a fact. Same reason I would tell people not to expect 4500 yards out of Cutler this year.

BTW, since you bring up Dawkins, did he ever demand a trade in his early 20's just because he was afraid he wouldn't make enough millions? Ever slowly tear apart the team? hmmmm

I think the reason he got thrown to so much was because there was no other options. Runningbacks dropped like flies, defense didnt do anything, and you had a gunslinging QB that had a good pass protecting line. 616 attempts and he was only sacked 11 times! Thats absolutely amazing. But back to the point, Jay Cutler probably forced some balls to him because he is a reliable target. He helped the teams by making it easier for players like Eddie Royal. There were other options, but he was the most reliable.

Stop jumping to damn assumptions. You have no idea why Marshall wants to be traded. Honestly, I think he wants to be traded because he doesnt like the direction of the team. Who would? They're in a re-building mode, but are in denial about it.

How is he slowly tearing apart the team? The team fell apart after Shanahan was fired and McDaniels was hired. On top of stupid FO decisions.

CC.SD
06-19-2009, 12:31 AM
I think the reason he got thrown to so much was because there was no other options. Runningbacks dropped like flies, defense didnt do anything, and you had a gunslinging QB that had a good pass protecting line. 616 attempts and he was only sacked 11 times! Thats absolutely amazing. But back to the point, Jay Cutler probably forced some balls to him because he is a reliable target. He helped the teams by making it easier for players like Eddie Royal.

Stop jumping to damn assumptions. You have no idea why Marshall wants to be traded. Honestly, I think he wants to be traded because he doesnt like the direction of the team. Who would? They're in a re-building mode, but are in denial about it.

How is he slowly tearing apart the team? The team fell apart after Shanahan was fired and McDaniels was hired. On top of stupid FO decisions.

Nobody's ever jumped to an assumption! Only conclusions.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/additional/large/office_space_kit_mat.jpg

There were plenty of targets on that Denver team besides Marshall...Royal, Scheffler, Stokely. I think there were a lot of reasons Marshall got so many looks, but lack of other targets was not one of them IMO. He and Cutler had a bond, they locked into each a lot because it paid off a lot.

the decider13
06-19-2009, 12:38 AM
ahhhh...I love the jump to conclusions mat

And yes, Marshall was far from the only target on the team, the offense was filled with capable targets. But he happened to have a gunslinger QB who liked to look his way.

Now he has a QB that definately has a weaker arm, no chemistry with the team, and the team philosophy has changed. McD drafted a RB and a blocking TE in the first 2 rounds. He is looking to establish a run game. Sadly, it will still probably end up a passing team if the defense can't hold.

Cutler threw to Marshall way to much...I remember in Marshall's first game last year he caught like 15 passes but he had to have been targeted like 20 times. Every pass seemed to be going to him.

CC.SD
06-19-2009, 12:42 AM
ahhhh...I love the jump to conclusions mat

And yes, Marshall was far from the only target on the team, the offense was filled with capable targets. But he happened to have a gunslinger QB who liked to look his way.

Now he has a QB that definately has a weaker arm, no chemistry with the team, and the team philosophy has changed. McD drafted a RB and a blocking TE in the first 2 rounds. He is looking to establish a run game. Sadly, it will still probably end up a passing team if the defense can't hold.

Cutler threw to Marshall way to much...I remember in Marshall's first game last year he caught like 15 passes but he had to have been targeted like 20 times. Every pass seemed to be going to him.


Oh I remember that game, it was the event that destroyed Cromartie forever.

Ness
06-19-2009, 03:16 AM
ahhhh...I love the jump to conclusions mat

And yes, Marshall was far from the only target on the team, the offense was filled with capable targets. But he happened to have a gunslinger QB who liked to look his way.

Now he has a QB that definately has a weaker arm, no chemistry with the team, and the team philosophy has changed. McD drafted a RB and a blocking TE in the first 2 rounds. He is looking to establish a run game. Sadly, it will still probably end up a passing team if the defense can't hold.

Cutler threw to Marshall way to much...I remember in Marshall's first game last year he caught like 15 passes but he had to have been targeted like 20 times. Every pass seemed to be going to him.

Well if someone is consistently getting open and is a good receiver, why wouldn't you keep throwing him the football?