Dual teamship.

[TitleTown088]

I recently had a friend of mine who was formerly a die hard viking fan and now he has transformed into a Packer fan as well.( yeah I know to be both a Packer fan and viking fan is absurd) I am certianly glad to have new bretheren in the Packer nation, but is this really somthing that should be tolerated? I know for me personally there is no way in hell that any fiber of my being could ever have once inkling of liking for the vikings. I have met many people who are like this in my days and i really don't see it as acceptable in the sport of football. Am I alone here, or is this somthing that should not be tolerated? I may just be an asshole who is really critical of others but it just seems unloyal to me. What do you all think? Is this somthing that is acceptable? What circumstances can justify it?

[GB12]

Wait, so is he

1. Both a Packers and Vikings fan currently

or

2. An ex Vikings fan turned Packer fan

Either way it is rediculous, and I can't think that he is truely a fan of either team.

[Tubby]

Your friend is clearly not a huge football fan. If he claims to be, then you have a problem. But a lot of people these days like other teams (I used to like the rams because "they're cool". I know, terrible)

[Vikes99ej]

No way. You can't do that.

[TitleTown088]

He's both a Packer and viking fan now. And he actually is a huge football fan who played both HS and college ball. He knows more about football than anyone I know. My theory is that he is becomming a packer fan and is just too scared to admit he dosen't like the vikings anymore.

[njx9]

the ONLY time it's ok is if your city didn't have a real team, so you grew up rooting for someone else, then you started rooting for your team when your city finally got one. and even then, it has to be a gradual shift in loyalty, not a dual loyalty forever thing.

as an addendum, if they weren't division or conference opponents, and he simply had a mild preference for one, that would be ok.

(imho)

[TitleTown088]

the ONLY time it's ok is if your city didn't have a real team, so you grew up rooting for someone else, then you started rooting for your team when your city finally got one. and even then, it has to be a gradual shift in loyalty, not a dual loyalty forever thing.

as an addendum, if they weren't division or conference opponents, and he simply had a mild preference for one, that would be ok.

(imho)

Well he's from South Dakota like me, so we don't exactly have a city team. Most people there like the vikings though because they are the closest pro team.

[Ward]

Fairweather fan. It's even worse because it's the same division.

[TitleTown088]

By the way this isn't just about my friend because I know of others like this. Not neccesarily of division rivals however.

[TitleTown088]

Fairweather fan. It's even worse because it's the same division.

Actually not. He has like the queens for 15 years now. I just think i turned him from the dark side.

[njx9]

Well he's from South Dakota like me, so we don't exactly have a city team. Most people there like the vikings though because they are the closest pro team.

meh. if he hadn't already been a vikings fan it'd be less of a big deal. regardless, isn't this a man law?

[slightlyaraiderfan]

I think it's an official Man Law. You are only allowed one team, according the ESPN Radio.

Edit: Ugly njx stole my thunder.

[TitleTown088]

meh. if he hadn't already been a vikings fan it'd be less of a big deal. regardless, isn't this a man law?


I think it should be added to the man law book for sure.

[bantx]

wow unloyal....LOL this forum is getting pretty serious, i mean i like san diego, but i have to root for my home team too cowboys :]

[TCU]

Dual Teams can only work if there in differnt conferences,

Indy has been my favorite team ever since i learned of the NFL way back, however i live near Dallas and have season tickets for the Boys, I some-what like Dallas but if they play each other you have to go with your #1 team, and none of this wearing a Colts shirt and Cowboys hat, i was all decked in Colts gear and i took that loss and the harrasment of Cowboy fans and a couple of empty beer bottles thrown my way (thankfully their plastic at games). I think that one should be allowed to like 2 teams but not if they are in the same confernce or if they are rivals.

[bantx]

Dual Teams can only work if there in differnt conferences,

Indy has been my favorite team ever since i learned of the NFL way back, however i live near Dallas and have season tickets for the Boys, I some-what like Dallas but if they play each other you have to go with your #1 team, and none of this wearing a Colts shirt and Cowboys hat, i was all decked in Colts gear and i took that loss and the harrasment of Cowboy fans and a couple of empty beer bottles thrown my way (thankfully their plastic at games). I think that one should be allowed to like 2 teams but not if they are in the same confernce or if they are rivals.

lol..my first cowboys game was the one on christmas when they played eagles, and the cowboys lost, when i was walking out so many people were talking alot of mess to eagle fans i even saw someone spit on the back of someones jersey it was pretty fun to watch :]

[bearsfan_51]

I think you can have other teams, but only one primary team.

Especially if it's in another conference. I'm a really big Bears fan (obviously) but I'm friends with Charlie Frye so as soon as he became a Brown my interest in them increased dramatically. Obviously that's an extreme example, and when the Bears play the Browns I'm hoping Charlie gets his face smashed in, but it happens.

[sweetness34]

Well I'm both a Cubs and Sox fan. I pull more for the Sox but I support both teams.

But people who root for teams equally, like cardsalltheway don't count. You have to have ONE PRIMARY TEAM that you pull for all the time no matter who they play.

And that's who I am with the White Sox.

[yodapoop]

I'm not gonna say anything about this cuz quite frankily, I am a fair weathered fan as well.

[njx9]

I think it's an official Man Law. You are only allowed one team, according the ESPN Radio.

Edit: Ugly njx stole my thunder.

i also stole your television.

[TCU]

Dual Teams can only work if there in differnt conferences,

Indy has been my favorite team ever since i learned of the NFL way back, however i live near Dallas and have season tickets for the Boys, I some-what like Dallas but if they play each other you have to go with your #1 team, and none of this wearing a Colts shirt and Cowboys hat, i was all decked in Colts gear and i took that loss and the harrasment of Cowboy fans and a couple of empty beer bottles thrown my way (thankfully their plastic at games). I think that one should be allowed to like 2 teams but not if they are in the same confernce or if they are rivals.

lol..my first cowboys game was the one on christmas when they played eagles, and the cowboys lost, when i was walking out so many people were talking alot of mess to eagle fans i even saw someone spit on the back of someones jersey it was pretty fun to watch :]

Yeah I was at that game; Jeff Garcia was a beast in that one, and yeah it sucks when Cowboys fans at the game are pissed because they do stuff like that and it sucks when they win a big game because they feel like hot sh*t and that they can do whatever they want.

[sweetness34]

How about dual city teams though? I am a Chicago sports fan and I pull for all teams in Chicago, especially in baseball.

I think that's an exception.

[TCU]

How about dual city teams though? I am a Chicago sports fan and I pull for all teams in Chicago, especially in baseball.

I think that's an exception.

I think that follows the seperate conference rule, ones American and one is National. So as long as you cheer for your favorite of the two when they meet and dont go with who ever is doing the best, and besides do they even play each other that much?

[TitleTown088]

Well I'm both a Cubs and Sox fan. I pull more for the Sox but I support both teams.

But people who root for teams equally, like cardsalltheway don't count. You have to have ONE PRIMARY TEAM that you pull for all the time no matter who they play.

And that's who I am with the White Sox.

I think baseball is a little different though. I am a Twins and a Indians fan. maybe i am a bit of a hypocrite, but I just don't view it the same for some reason.

[sweetness34]

I think baseball is a little different though. I am a Twins and a Indians fan. maybe i am a bit of a hypocrite, but I just don't view it the same for some reason.

How do you root for teams in the same division? That to me can't happen. Separate conferences yet, but not same divisions in the same conference.

You are a hypocrite TT. It'd be like me rooting for the Packers and the Bears. There's no way in hell you can do that.

[njx9]

it's baseball... who cares. let's talk about more important and interesting sports.

[TitleTown088]

How do you root for teams in the same division? That to me can't happen. Separate conferences yet, but not same divisions in the same conference.

You are a hypocrite TT. It'd be like me rooting for the Packers and the Bears. There's no way in hell you can do that.

I know. I'm actually ashamed of myself for it. I grew up an Indians fan my whole life, but I always kinda liked the the Twins because they were the closest team to my hometown. I mean how can you not like the twins? Then I moved here and just got caught up in the fever. Your right though I am a hypocrite, but I can't help it. I like bolth of them.

[TitleTown088]

it's baseball... who cares. let's talk about more important and interesting sports.

baseball is my favorite sport too, That's what makes it terrible.

[sweetness34]

it's baseball... who cares. let's talk about more important and interesting sports.

Like Soccer. Go Manchester United!

[njx9]

baseball is my favorite sport too, That's what makes it terrible.

ugh... a homer packers fan AND a baseball nut? you probably like soccer and nascar too... i'm starting to agree with 51 that we should sell most of the north-midwest to canada.

[njx9]

Like Soccer. Go Manchester United!

soccer's probably not particularly relevant, given that the players themselves seem to be able to play for several teams in a single season, a situation no nfl player would ever be in and that there are so many leagues i don't think you could have only one team you root for.

[TitleTown088]

ugh... a homer packers fan AND a baseball nut? you probably like soccer and nascar too... i'm starting to agree with 51 that we should sell most of the north-midwest to canada.

No way I abhor soccer and nascar.

[njx9]

No way I abhor soccer and nascar.

"you have given out too much reputation in the last 24 hours"

[TitleTown088]

"you have given out too much reputation in the last 24 hours"

Ha, I'm surprised. I would have taken you for a soccer fan myself.

[bigrick0016]

You can not like two teams in the same sport, period. You CAN NOT hedge your bets. It doesn't matter what Conference or Division they're in, you have to pick one. This sports bigamy has to stop.

Side Note: I get this question alot "Can I still like other players"? Yes you can. For example, as a fan of The Ohio State University Anthony Schliegel was my favorite player.

Can I follow his career as a Jet? Absolutely.
Can I become a Jets fan? Absolutely not
Can I buy his jersey? Absolutely not

[Shiver]

I used to like the Bucs, until the division realignment that is.

[elway777]

the ONLY time it's ok is if your city didn't have a real team, so you grew up rooting for someone else, then you started rooting for your team when your city finally got one. and even then, it has to be a gradual shift in loyalty, not a dual loyalty forever thing.

as an addendum, if they weren't division or conference opponents, and he simply had a mild preference for one, that would be ok.

(imho)



My Favorite teams
NCCA-USC
MLB-LA Dodgers
NBA- LA Lakers
NFL- DENVER Broncos

Never been a fan of either San Diego or Oakland, and I fell in love with Denver during the Elway, Davis days. If LA had a team when I began following NFL Football I most likely wouldn't be a Broncos fan.

[TH3]

I like Oklahoma while living in Texas.... sucks big ones

[njx9]

Ha, I'm surprised. I would have taken you for a soccer fan myself.

i'll take this in the generally joking tone of the last few posts and not set your house on fire.

=P

[Pit Bull #53]

I don't really "root" for other teams, but when two other ones are playing, and my team isn't one of them, I have certain ones that I favor over others.

And...after looking at it, that sentence looks kinda weird, lol. I had trouble putting my thoughts into words

[njx9]

You can not like two teams in the same sport, period. You CAN NOT hedge your bets. It doesn't matter what Conference or Division they're in, you have to pick one. This sports bigamy has to stop.

Side Note: I get this question alot "Can I still like other players"? Yes you can. For example, as a fan of The Ohio State University Anthony Schliegel was my favorite player.

Can I follow his career as a Jet? Absolutely.
Can I become a Jets fan? Absolutely not
Can I buy his jersey? Absolutely not

i'm with you. but, given that you're a fan of cleveland, i don't think it's a big deal if, once cleveland's out of it, you have a mild preference for, say, the lions to win (i know, it's a bloody example, pretend that it would be worthwhile).

[TitleTown088]

i'll take this in the generally joking tone of the last few posts and not set your house on fire.

=P

Well the reason is you come off as one of those " enlighted free thinker" or liberal people if i may say so... and those are usually the people who like soccer because it's nonconformist and nonamerican tolike soccer steriotypically speaking... I know i'm kinda off on a tangent and making assumptions.

[Paul]

Well I am for the cowboys all the way, and whatever team playing against the redskins the particular week. kind of dual.

[TitleTown088]

Well I am for the cowboys all the way, and whatever team playing against the redskins the particular week. kind of dual. well that goes without saying..
When some one is playing agianst you division rivals they are your new best friends.

[steelersfan43]

Tolerated? Wow, like what you think effects what teams he likes.

[TitleTown088]

Tolerated? Wow, like what you think effects what teams he likes.
I'm sure it does considering he's one of my best friends i've known for the better part of 20 years... He hears me talk about it with him everyday considering he's one of my college roomates too. I tansformed him into a good person.

[Paul]

well that goes without saying..
When some one is playing agianst you division rivals they are your new best friends.

It's not that there division rivals, it's for the mere fact that there redskins...F*** the redskins. Plus there a racially insensitive franchise. If they were the blackskins people would be up in arms.

[cunningham06]

I am a dual teamship guy: Eagles and Texans.

Since one is in the NFC and one is in the AFC there isn't much crossing over. It is a sin to consider yourself a fan of two teams in the same division. I also like the Ravens but when they play the Texans or Eagles I root against them. There's no problem with liking another team as long as it isn't a rival or in the same division.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

I'm not gonna say anything about this cuz quite frankily, I am a fair weathered fan as well.
Really? I haven't really noticed yoda.

[A-Dub4President]

It should be illegal to rock the solo team loyalty. I'm also opposed to dual city loyalty, mainly because if I can tolerate the Cardinals sucking forever, than any fan can tolerate their team going through a slump.

[bearsfan_51]

How do you root for teams in the same division? That to me can't happen. Separate conferences yet, but not same divisions in the same conference.

You are a hypocrite TT. It'd be like me rooting for the Packers and the Bears. There's no way in hell you can do that.

He's no a hypocrite because everyone should be a Twins and Indians fan. They represent all that is good about baseball and all that fights the evil empires of New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, etc.

I'm a fan of all small market teams in baseball against all big market teams.

[bearsfan_51]

ugh... a homer packers fan AND a baseball nut? you probably like soccer and nascar too... i'm starting to agree with 51 that we should sell most of the north-midwest to canada.
Can't do that dude. I'm moving to Minnesota.

If that's not irony, I don't know what is.

[diabsoule]

I feel exactly how Ward does. You can't be a "die hard vikings fan" then turn into a fan of a rival team.

[thule]

You are allowed to like one team. If you move you might have a slight chance to switch teams...I mean you can't live in WI and be a Vikings fan...so I would view that as acceptable. It's also ok to like a player from another team...but thats about it.

[The Unseen]

I like what 51 said: you have a "primary team" and then secondary teams, preferrably in another conference, and definitely not in your division.

My primary team is the Jaguars. I also like the Redskins because of my dad, and the Bucs because of some other family members.

[Caddy]

I don't see how switching favourite teams is that big of a deal. I would never consider it, but for a casual fan of the game, I see little problem.

[njx9]

Can't do that dude. I'm moving to Minnesota.

If that's not irony, I don't know what is.

officially? i was still hoping all this "maybe" talk meant we were really one day closer... dang...

[njx9]

I don't see how switching favourite teams is that big of a deal. I would never consider it, but for a casual fan of the game, I see little problem.

what, do you LIKE bandwagon fans?

[TitleTown088]

He's no a hypocrite because everyone should be a Twins and Indians fan. They represent all that is good about baseball and all that fights the evil empires of New York, Boston, Chicago, LA, etc.

I'm a fan of all small market teams in baseball against all big market teams.

Your right. Everyone should be a Twins and Indians fan. Whats not to like about them?( well besides the whole metrodome thing, but they will be out of there in a couple seasons now) Two very classy organizations.

This also brings up another on of my pet peeves. People who like Boston. I realize that there are many people who actually like Boston for valid reasons. However, some people like them as if they're the opposite of the yankees. The Red socks are just about the same damn thing. The Yankess and the Redsox spend money like it's water. Evil empires.

[njx9]

You are allowed to like one team. If you move you might have a slight chance to switch teams...I mean you can't live in WI and be a Vikings fan...so I would view that as acceptable. It's also ok to like a player from another team...but thats about it.

i think that was a bad example. if you move from minneapolis to green bay, you're almost obligated to be an even bigger vikings fan. otoh, if you move from san diego to philadelphia and will never really get to watch your home team again, it's more understandable to start rooting for the eagles more. otoh, this also somewhat depends on your age. if you're under 12, who cares, you'll end up rooting for everyone at some point because someone gave you a joe montana starting line-up doll or you found some guys' rookie card and decided you loved him. if you're over 60, you probably have long since stopped caring who you root for and only root locally because it takes less effort. anywhere between those ages though, you should still be obligated to root for your former home team. i mean, moving to boston for 3 years only made me hate the patriots and red sox more.

[TitleTown088]

i think that was a bad example. if you move from minneapolis to green bay, you're almost obligated to be an even bigger vikings fan. otoh, if you move from san diego to philadelphia and will never really get to watch your home team again, it's more understandable to start rooting for the eagles more. otoh, this also somewhat depends on your age. if you're under 12, who cares, you'll end up rooting for everyone at some point because someone gave you a joe montana starting line-up doll or you found some guys' rookie card and decided you loved him. if you're over 60, you probably have long since stopped caring who you root for and only root locally because it takes less effort. anywhere between those ages though, you should still be obligated to root for your former home team. i mean, moving to boston for 3 years only made me hate the patriots and red sox more.
Very true. Since moving to Minnesota I have become a much bigger Packer nut because of all the Viking idiots here. Atleased when I wake up in the morning I can look off my deck across Lake superior and see the motherland.

by the way Bearsfan living in the Twin cities is hardly living in the upper midwest once you think about it. It's like your in a different country when you go there from the rest of the upper midwest.

[frogstomp]

Well, since I grew up/live in Canada, I always liked the Falcons and the Jets.

If they play, I always cheer for the Jets, but I follow the Falcons fairly closely, and will watch them whenever I can (assuming a Jets game isn't on).

[frogstomp]

ugh... a homer packers fan AND a baseball nut? you probably like soccer and nascar too... i'm starting to agree with 51 that we should sell most of the north-midwest to canada.

Hey!
a) soccer is amazing!
b) we'll pay you to keep the north-midwest away from us. Whenever I have to visit my family that lives there I come close to taking my suicide pill.

[NYmoney]

Here's my question: I grew up in Indiana, sparsely rooted for the Cubs, but now that I have moved to NY, I've followed the Yanks much closer. Is this kosher? I really haven't decided. I want the Yanks as my team, but I don't want to commit a basic sin of sports.

[Jughead10]

Here's my question: I grew up in Indiana, sparsely rooted for the Cubs, but now that I have moved to NY, I've followed the Yanks much closer. Is this kosher? I really haven't decided. I want the Yanks as my team, but I don't want to commit a basic sin of sports.

I'll allow it. Because basically the Cubs are the Yankees midwest. Just without all the winning.

[NYmoney]

I'll allow it. Because basically the Cubs are the Yankees midwest. Just without all the winning.

LOL. I like rooting for a team that actually has an owner that wants to win, not just make money.

[bearsfan_51]

Your right. Everyone should be a Twins and Indians fan. Whats not to like about them?( well besides the whole metrodome thing, but they will be out of there in a couple seasons now) Two very classy organizations.
The way the Metrodome sits in the Minnesota skyline is easily one of the most appaling things I've ever seen. It's such a nice city with this gigantic balloon smack in the middle. I would almost sacrifice having no sports teams for the sake of resorting a sense of civic pride. Then again, what do I care about having the Vikings around?

[bearsfan_51]

officially? i was still hoping all this "maybe" talk meant we were really one day closer... dang...
Well, Johns Hopkins was my #1, UMinn was my #2. I've yet to officially hear a no (or a yes for that matter) from Hopkins, but I'm guessing if they really wanted me I'd have gotten a buzz from them by now.

As for Colorado, they have some good colleges there for undergraduate studies (I had considered Colorado College coming out of high school as my undergrad) but in terms of national research they're pretty sub-par. Basically anything south of the mason-dixon line or West of the Mississippi River (excluding California schools) doesn't have much to offer in terms of research monies, prestige, and what not. There are a few exceptions (Duke, North Carolina, Texas) but not many.

[Eaglez.Fan]

the ONLY time it's ok is if your city didn't have a real team, so you grew up rooting for someone else, then you started rooting for your team when your city finally got one. and even then, it has to be a gradual shift in loyalty, not a dual loyalty forever thing.


Exactly what I was thinking. If the Bills move to Toronto things could get interesting in this board with all the Canadians

[njx9]

As for Colorado, they have some good colleges there for undergraduate studies (I had considered Colorado College coming out of high school as my undergrad) but in terms of national research they're pretty sub-par. Basically anything south of the mason-dixon line or West of the Mississippi River (excluding California schools) doesn't have much to offer in terms of research monies, prestige, and what not. There are a few exceptions (Duke, North Carolina, Texas) but not many.

it's also (obviously) really important what you're studying. CU gets an absolutely massive amount of funding for physics related research (and deservedly so, having produced the most recent [or second most recent] nobel prize winner and being one of the biggest NASA contributers) and a few other engineering related stuff. for things like liberal arts and law, you're absolutely right, it's all about the new england area (with a few exceptions).

[TitleTown088]

Hey!
a) soccer is amazing!
b) we'll pay you to keep the north-midwest away from us. Whenever I have to visit my family that lives there I come close to taking my suicide pill.

Someone from Canada implying that somewhere in the United States is not more enjoyable anywhere than Canada is just ******* hilarious. The only Reason Canada should be allowed to keep it's borders is because of Whistler.

Only this would come from a soccer fan. NJX do you now see my "enlightened" theory and it's connection to soccer?

[Eaglez.Fan]

Someone from Canada implying that somewhere in the United States is not more enjoyable anywhere than Canada is just ******* hilarious. The only Reason Canada should be allowed to keep it's borders is because of Whistler.

Only this would come from a soccer fan. NJX do you now see my "enlightened" theory and it's connection to soccer?

I would argue but I'll just let Mr.Frogstomp get at you

[TitleTown088]

The way the Metrodome sits in the Minnesota skyline is easily one of the most appaling things I've ever seen. It's such a nice city with this gigantic balloon smack in the middle. I would almost sacrifice having no sports teams for the sake of resorting a sense of civic pride. Then again, what do I care about having the Vikings around?

Well, atleased I will have another Ahole to share my hatred for the Vikings. Your in for a real treat, and your truly going to be mindfucked by the pure stupidity from these Vikings fans. Especially when you go to a game at the metrodome. I almost got into a fight at the one last year. It was a fun time.

[TitleTown088]

I would argue but I'll just let Mr.Frogstomp get at you
Whats to argue? Are you actually going to imply that Canda is a legetament state?

[frogstomp]

Someone from Canada implying that somewhere in the United States is not more enjoyable anywhere than Canada is just ******* hilarious. The only Reason Canada should be allowed to keep it's borders is because of Whistler.

Only this would come from a soccer fan. NJX do you now see my "enlightened" theory and it's connection to soccer?

Well, seeing as every member of my family that lives in the states, and has been to Canada to any extent, is getting the hell out as soon as they're 18 leads me to believe that someone is talking out of their ass. I even have alot of American friends, seeing as I spend at least a month a year there, and they all say that they'd rather live in Canada. Out of every person on this website I've probably spent the most time in both countries, and while I wouldn't say Canada is better, I'd say that most of you have no idea what you're talking about when you talk about Canada.

Wait... I forgot to look at the name of the poster before I read the post! I could have saved some reading time and still known that the post would have no merit whatsoever.

[TitleTown088]

Well, seeing as every member of my family that lives in the states, and has been to Canada to any extent, is getting the hell out as soon as they're 18 leads me to believe that someone is talking out of their ass. I even have alot of American friends, seeing as I spend at least a month a year there, and they all say that they'd rather live in Canada. Out of every person on this website I've probably spent the most time in both countries, and while I wouldn't say Canada is better, I'd say that most of you have no idea what you're talking about when you talk about Canada.

Wait... I forgot to look at the name of the poster before I read the post! I could have saved some reading time and still known that the post would have no merit whatsoever.

I live 2 hours from Canada and have been there many many times. Besides it's fine and accomidating Outdoor activities, it's a hell hole.

[frogstomp]

Whats to argue? Are you actually going to imply that Canda is a legetament state?

I will state that "legetament" is not even close to any real word.

I believe you were looking for 'legitimate', but... you're not even close to that.

[frogstomp]

I live 2 hours from Canada and have been there many many times. Besides it's fine and accomidating Outdoor activities, it's a hell hole.

Well, I'm glad to have an educated discussion! I could talk about health care, crime rates, natural beauty, electricity, or even the UN ranking of countries.

Luckily, I won't have to make a well-formed, fact based argument.

I can just say "US is teh lamest rolz," and that will seem to fit right in with your intelligence level.

[TitleTown088]

I will state that "legetament" is not even close to any real word.

I believe you were looking for 'legitimate', but... you're not even close to that.

"thanks spellcheck"

[TitleTown088]

Well, I'm glad to have an educated discussion! I could talk about health care, crime rates, natural beauty, electricity, or even the UN ranking of countries.

Luckily, I won't have to make a well-formed, fact based argument.

I can just say "US is teh lamest rolz," and that will seem to fit right in with your intelligence level.

No reason to get this locked my main man.

[bearsfan_51]

it's also (obviously) really important what you're studying. CU gets an absolutely massive amount of funding for physics related research (and deservedly so, having produced the most recent [or second most recent] nobel prize winner and being one of the biggest NASA contributers) and a few other engineering related stuff. for things like liberal arts and law, you're absolutely right, it's all about the new england area (with a few exceptions).
Well I was only talking about programs that matter, should have specified.:)

Big Ten schools are excellent research centers as well (Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan State, Penn State, Purdue in order....Purdue isn't really fair as they focus much much more on math & sciences) in large part because they, as land grant colleges, acquire a large bulk of state allocated funds for research and because, unlike smaller east-coast schools, they have such massive enrollment #'s that undergraduate funds serve in part to supliment graduate research (suckers). Past the Ivy League (obviously) I would argue that the Big Ten is next in line in terms of graduate research, at least liberal arts research. The ACC has Duke, NC, Virginia, and Maryland but there is a large drop off after that. The Pac-10 has Cal and Stanford but has the same situation.

[bearsfan_51]

Canada is very nice and lovely. The are our friendly neighbors to the north. Let's leave it at that eh?

[TitleTown088]

Well I was only talking about programs that matter, should have specified.:)

Big Ten schools are excellent research centers as well (Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan State, Penn State, Purdue in order....Purdue isn't really fair as they focus much much more on math & sciences) in large part because they, as land grant colleges, acquire a large bulk of state allocated funds for research and because, unlike smaller east-coast schools, they have such massive enrollment #'s that undergraduate funds serve in part to supliment graduate research (suckers). Past the Ivy League (obviously) I would argue that the Big Ten is next in line in terms of graduate research, at least liberal arts research. The ACC has Duke, NC, Virginia, and Maryland but there is a large drop off after that. The Pac-10 has Cal and Stanford but has the same situation.


Bearsfan please never make any future remarks to validate UNC. Thank you.

[bearsfan_51]

Bearsfan please never make any future remarks to validate UNC. Thank you.

Tis' a good public school.

[TitleTown088]

Tis' a good public school.
Blasphemy. Students should not pay to go to UNC, UNC should pay students to go to UNC.

[frogstomp]

No reason to get this locked my main man.

I'm not the one that randomly stated "Canada is a hell hole" with no evidence/reasoning behind it.

If asked, I doubt anyone would look back and say that I got it locked because I called you on some idiotic statement.

Anyways, I have nothing against the US, and don't think that Canada is better, as I have said. I just hate ignorant comments.

[Jimmy]

How in the world do you switch teams?

[njx9]

Well I was only talking about programs that matter, should have specified.:)

Big Ten schools are excellent research centers as well (Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois, Ohio State, Iowa, Michigan State, Penn State, Purdue in order....Purdue isn't really fair as they focus much much more on math & sciences) in large part because they, as land grant colleges, acquire a large bulk of state allocated funds for research and because, unlike smaller east-coast schools, they have such massive enrollment #'s that undergraduate funds serve in part to supliment graduate research (suckers). Past the Ivy League (obviously) I would argue that the Big Ten is next in line in terms of graduate research, at least liberal arts research. The ACC has Duke, NC, Virginia, and Maryland but there is a large drop off after that. The Pac-10 has Cal and Stanford but has the same situation.

of course the big ten schools would be good for research... there are very few distractions (hey guys, it's the weekend!!! let's go.... out to the cornfield?), even fewer attractive girls and the college basketball is absolutely painful to watch (i don't care how good the team is, big ten basketball is boring). plus the winter is disgusting and the summer is too humid.

*consciously driving this thread off-topic out of sheer boredom*

[TitleTown088]

I'm not the one that randomly stated "Canada is a hell hole" with no evidence/reasoning behind it.

If asked, I doubt anyone would look back and say that I got it locked because I called you on some idiotic statement.

Anyways, I have nothing against the US, and don't think that Canada is better, as I have said. I just hate ignorant comments.

I mean don't get it locked turning it into a political deal.

[DeathbyStat]

My advice pick ONE team and stick with them always

[frogstomp]

I mean don't get it locked turning it into a political deal.

Just because my argument was better than yours doesn't mean it was more political.

[bernbabybern820]

I love Champ Bailey.

[TitleTown088]

Just because my argument was better than yours doesn't mean it was more political.

You started turning it into health care issue and crap. Where else is that going to end up besides a stupid political debate?

[frogstomp]

You started turning it into health care issue and crap. Where else is that going to end up besides a stupid political debate?

Where is calling a country a hell hole going to end up?

God. I swear you do not think for one second before you post.

[TitleTown088]

Where is calling a country a hell hole going to end up?

God. I swear you do not think for one second before you post. A cheap comeback maybe? After all that is what I did, I never argued anything political. Oh wait, that's right your to intellectually advanced for that.

[frogstomp]

A cheap comeback maybe? After all that is what I did, I never argued anything political. Oh wait, that's right your to intellectually advanced for that.

I never argued anything political, either. I simply said I was happy that you are an idiot, so I wouldn't have to.

It's "you're."

[TitleTown088]

Health care, crime rates, and UN rankings not political? hmm.. and I'm the idiot?

[njx9]

****. i will light both of you on fire. canada sucks, but so does minnesota. you can both go marry a moose (or a mountie).

[frogstomp]

Health care, crime rates, and UN rankings not political? hmm.. and I'm the idiot?

Ok, want to go back and read what I said? Or should I simply type everything out again, since it obviously takes you at least two attempts to understand basic concepts.

I said "I never argued anything political." Did I make any argument about any of those things? No. Did I ever state that Canada is better? No.

In fact, the only conclusions I drew (for an argument to exist there must be a conclusion), were that you are an idiot and that I didn't think Canada or the US was better than the other. It's fricking arbitrary lines with people living inside them. Then each set of people that lived in each set of lines decided that they were better than the other for arbitrary reasons. How can either one be better than the other when they both have a majority of idiots?

Anyways, I'm done trying to argue with someone who is either 2 years old or some form of chimp.

[frogstomp]

****. i will light both of you on fire. canada sucks, but so does minnesota. you can both go marry a moose (or a mountie).

See, you made one major mistake there. I don't give a crap what you say. I'm pretty sure no one does.

Why not try to impress this guy?

http://www.usm.maine.edu/~mullett/pics/idiot.gif

[njx9]

thats a picture of you.

[frogstomp]

I was expecting better, to tell you the truth.

I thought maybe a 7 year old would come in and say something like that, but you? Ouch.

That must hurt. It's ok if you want to walk away from this situation. I'll understand.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I only cheer for any team other than the Broncos or Devils when my team is knocked out. I know a guy who likes the Chiefs AND Chargers as his favourite teams. If you like both of them, I think that's fine, as long as one of them or both isnt your favourite. For instance, another friend of mine, who is a Bears fan, likes the Ravens, Chargers, Chiefs, Steelers, etc. too, but that is acceptable in my books because he doesn't like any other teams in his favorite's division. Like me. RUCK THE FAIDERS, CHUCK THE FIEFS, AND CHUCK THE FARGERS.

[Caddy]

what, do you LIKE bandwagon fans?

Each to their own

[njx9]

I was expecting better, to tell you the truth.

I thought maybe a 7 year old would come in and say something like that, but you? Ouch.

That must hurt. It's ok if you want to walk away from this situation. I'll understand.

i hit enter before i could quote scorchin.

[frogstomp]

i hit enter before i could quote scorchin.

I would be hurt, except I'd rather have everyone who agrees with Scorchin in any way hate me.

[TitleTown088]

****. i will light both of you on fire. canada sucks, but so does minnesota. you can both go marry a moose (or a mountie).
I won't disagree. Moving to Minnesota was the biggest blunder of my life..I'm getting out of here ASAP.