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Chief49er
07-27-2009, 07:42 PM
Stafford and Sanchez are the only top 20 picks to sign a contract.

Whats up, when do these guys sign the dotted line?

KCJ58
07-27-2009, 07:43 PM
Ziggy Hood is signed and so is Alex Mack

bigbluedefense
07-27-2009, 07:45 PM
they usually sign like a day or 2 before their TC starts.

i wouldn't worry about it.

eaglesalltheway
07-27-2009, 07:45 PM
Stafford and Sanchez are the only top 20 picks to sign a contract.

Whats up, when do these guys sign the dotted line?

For all parties sake, I hope within the next two or three days, so both sides can get the most out of each player, and the player can become as good as possible as soon as possible. I think the whole wrinkle of the potentially uncapped season may have soemthing to do with this, obviously...

thenewfeature06
07-27-2009, 07:46 PM
It shouldn't take long for some of the more marquee names to be signed but the situation in Denver with Knowshon and Ayers is still questionable in my mind..

eaglesalltheway
07-27-2009, 07:46 PM
they usually sign like a day or 2 before their TC starts.

i wouldn't worry about it.

A lot of TCs are under way though, or will be soon, and that may be a problem...

Chief49er
07-27-2009, 07:46 PM
Ziggy Hood is signed and so is Alex Mack

Yah, that has nothing to do with what I asked though.

KCJ58
07-27-2009, 07:47 PM
Yah, that has nothing to do with what I asked though.

well in that case i say Michael Crabtree will be the last 1st rounder to sign with his team

Chief49er
07-27-2009, 07:55 PM
well in that case i say Michael Crabtree will be the last 1st rounder to sign with his team

I don't think so, his agent is trying to get more than what a 10th pick gets and make him a top 5 paid this year.

bigbluedefense
07-27-2009, 08:00 PM
A lot of TCs are under way though, or will be soon, and that may be a problem...

i think if you miss a week, its no biggie.

if you miss 2 weeks, then you have a problem.

49ersfan_87
07-27-2009, 08:25 PM
Yeah, 4 1st rounders only have signed. I believe most, if not all TC's will be in full swing by the weekend. This year just feels kind of off. I don't remember many years when so little 1st rounders have signed this close to TC.

Heck, the Bills have two holdouts in Maybin and Wood. So do the Broncos with Moreno and Ayers.

Anyone know how many 1st rounders signed this time last year (days before TC)?

bernbabybern820
07-27-2009, 08:59 PM
well in that case i say Michael Crabtree will be the last 1st rounder to sign with his team

I don't think so, his agent is trying to get more than what a 10th pick gets and make him a top 5 paid this year.

Which is why he will be the last one to sign...

Hopefully DHB signs soon since Raiders report tomorrow. He needs all the practice time he can get.

MasterShake
07-27-2009, 09:30 PM
Which is why he will be the last one to sign...

Hopefully DHB signs soon since Raiders report tomorrow. He needs all the practice time he can get.

I don't think any amount of practice will save his NFL career from a slow death on the Raiders.

phlysac
07-27-2009, 09:32 PM
Aaron Maybin is reportedly holding out until Crabtree signs. He feels that if Crabtree get's top-5 money he should get the typical "one-pick later" decrease.

PACKmanN
07-27-2009, 09:34 PM
Packers still need to sign Raji and Matthews.

BlindSite
07-27-2009, 09:53 PM
Makes me happy we had to get brown in the 2nd, he's already signed and at a cut price too.

this always takes time, once the first guy taken at each position signs and the picks 1-10 sign it's usually pretty quick.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
07-27-2009, 10:21 PM
Ah, I am happy to not have to deal with this. So happy Sanchez signed early and removed any potential frustration.

PACKmanN
07-27-2009, 10:33 PM
Makes me happy we had to get brown in the 2nd, he's already signed and at a cut price too.

this always takes time, once the first guy taken at each position signs and the picks 1-10 sign it's usually pretty quick.

2010 DE class>Brown. I would rather kept the pick and taken one next year...

TitleTown088
07-27-2009, 10:38 PM
Makes me happy we had to get brown in the 2nd, he's already signed and at a cut price too.

Yes, but you need to ask yourself if there's a reason he fell to the 2nd... Perhaps there is.


The picks may sign when Crabtree stops being a dick.

cvv84
07-27-2009, 10:48 PM
Crabtree isn't going to get top 5 money. My guess is that its more media spectulation than anything. They'll start to pick up tomorrow.

cvv84
07-27-2009, 10:57 PM
Packers still need to sign Raji and Matthews.

Luckily they share the same agents and the Packers will have had 2 full weeks to sign Raji and Matthews. I'd like to see both guys in on time but more so Matthews because he'll need the reps if he's going to challenge for a starting job from the start. Raji is pretty much a guaranteed starter and his position isn't as technical so if he's a day or 2 late no biggie.

BlindSite
07-27-2009, 11:14 PM
Yes, but you need to ask yourself if there's a reason he fell to the 2nd... Perhaps there is.


The picks may sign when Crabtree stops being a dick.

Not from what's already been said about him. He's under ron meeks too, he did a little something with two guys in Indianapolis

Robert Mathis:
6"2
245

Dwight Freeney:
6"1
268

Everette Brown:
6"2
260

It's damn sure not production in college why he fell and if it's size it's not going to matter too much with Meeks calling the shots.

TitleTown088
07-27-2009, 11:21 PM
Not from what's already been said about him. He's under ron meeks too, he did a little something with two guys in Indianapolis

Robert Mathis:
6"2
245

Dwight Freeney:
6"1
268

Everette Brown:
6"2
260

It's damn sure not production in college why he fell and if it's size it's not going to matter too much with Meeks calling the shots.

Oh, I missed that he was the same size as Freeny and did well in OTAs. Hall of fame.

BeerBaron
07-27-2009, 11:31 PM
Great year to be a Bears or Cowboys fan when it comes to rookie signings ;)

SuperMcGee
07-28-2009, 12:26 AM
they usually sign like a day or 2 before their TC starts.

i wouldn't worry about it.

But if you're going into Day 4 of Camp and you have two first rounders who figure to play important roles, then that's kind of lame.

I was hoping Levitre's signing was a start that we'd knock them all out at the start of camp, but Maybin, Wood, and Byrd all need contracts.

Hopefully they're in there by the time most other camps start, but ideally I would've liked to have everyone going from the start. There's a lot of potential contribution from this class.

ChezPower4
07-28-2009, 01:29 AM
Packers still need to sign Raji and Matthews.

Ted Thompson needs to step his game up.

BlindSite
07-28-2009, 02:05 AM
Oh, I missed that he was the same size as Freeny and did well in OTAs. Hall of fame.

Yeah it's written in the same place as next years draft class who're yet to have their final seasons in college and declare for the draft are automatically better than a guy with excellent triangle numbers despite his height, great feedback already from coaches and team mates and a great college career playing under a coordinator who knows how to utilise him perfectly in a system suited to his talents.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I said he'll be fine in the NFL, and nothing more, contorting my words is a douche act, dunno why you'd bother.

Gay Ork Wang
07-28-2009, 04:54 AM
Yeah it's written in the same place as next years draft class who're yet to have their final seasons in college and declare for the draft are automatically better than a guy with excellent triangle numbers despite his height, great feedback already from coaches and team mates and a great college career playing under a coordinator who knows how to utilise him perfectly in a system suited to his talents.

Thanks for clearing that up.

I said he'll be fine in the NFL, and nothing more, contorting my words is a douche act, dunno why you'd bother.
i can even say how much fail this argument is.

BlindSite
07-28-2009, 06:39 AM
i can even say how much fail this argument is.

Yeah it's pretty fail to say a guy who was drafted to fit a coordinator and a system is in a position to do ok.

I'm such a homer, I said a guy should be fine.

wow.

Gay Ork Wang
07-28-2009, 06:49 AM
Yeah it's pretty fail to say a guy who was drafted to fit a coordinator and a system is in a position to do ok.

I'm such a homer, I said a guy should be fine.

wow.
its not even preseason.
what the coaches say or teammates is ******* useless. People were all over Earl Bennetts nuts around this time in Chicago. Look how that played out.
Measurables are useless in the NFL. Thats why Al Davis doesnt have the best draft every year.

To say this was a good pick, and to assume that a first round pick was worth, just because the college players havent played yet and you assume no one is going to be better than him in the first round? really? i mean you think if he was that great, you dont think any other team wouldve jumped on him? Its not like a QB or a TE that is only a need marginal. Pass rushers are always needed. To think the Lions passed on him 3 times although their defense is horrible, you really think he's got to be awesome or gonna be great cause he is as big as freeney.

Thats why people think you are a homer.

BlindSite
07-28-2009, 07:15 AM
its not even preseason.
what the coaches say or teammates is ******* useless. People were all over Earl Bennetts nuts around this time in Chicago. Look how that played out.
Measurables are useless in the NFL. Thats why Al Davis doesnt have the best draft every year.

To say this was a good pick, and to assume that a first round pick was worth, just because the college players havent played yet and you assume no one is going to be better than him in the first round? really? i mean you think if he was that great, you dont think any other team wouldve jumped on him? Its not like a QB or a TE that is only a need marginal. Pass rushers are always needed. To think the Lions passed on him 3 times although their defense is horrible, you really think he's got to be awesome or gonna be great cause he is as big as freeney.

Thats why people think you are a homer.

I think he's going to be fine, I didn't say great, because the largest reason for his fall was that he wasn't wanting to switch to an OLB in a 34 and was possibly too small to be a 43 end in most systems. Neither are issues in Carolina's case. That's why he's going to be fine.

The fact that he's already making impressions says to me that the cost of having a known commodity for cheap, is better than paying double for an unknown one.

Unless you disagree with knowing what you have, paying less for it and filling a need within a system, there isn't really any way you can say I'm wrong or a homer.

All I've said is the knock on this guy coming out don't apply in this case and he'll be fine in the system. Why get so bent out of shape?

by the way, I wouldn't use the Lions as an example of who to draft, from what I recall, it's not exactly their strong suit.

Gay Ork Wang
07-28-2009, 07:34 AM
all TT said is taht he prolly has his reasons to fall to the 2nd round. u bring up measurables and compare him to two great accomplished DEs in the league.
To think he fell because he didnt want to be in a 3-4 should make u think. I mean Carolina isnt the only team that uses undersized DEs.

He wasnt a known commodity when u picked him. The chance to have great pass rushers in the first round is always higher than the pass rushers in the second. Thats why it is so rare to trade ur future first for a 2nd rounder. I mean, you dont think if it was normal people wouldve started to question the move?

You really think being undersized for a DE was the only know on him?

Does not hold up well against the run...Pretty raw and wasn't used much in coverage...A little inconsistent...Frame is close to being maxed out...Marginal instincts and awareness...Poor program pedigree...Limited starting experience.

phlysac
07-28-2009, 09:45 PM
The picks may sign when Crabtree stops being a dick.

What in the world is that supposed to mean???

Last I checked 7 players drafted BEFORE Crabtree have yet to sign.

TitanHope
07-28-2009, 10:03 PM
What in the world is that supposed to mean???

Last I checked 7 players drafted BEFORE Crabtree have yet to sign.

I think he said that because of the reports that he's wanting more money than the 10th pick should probably get.

Geo
07-28-2009, 10:22 PM
Not from what's already been said about him. He's under ron meeks too, he did a little something with two guys in Indianapolis.
Meeks didn't do **** for Freeney and Mathis. The only important coach for those guys is defensive line coach John Teerlink.

JT Jag
07-28-2009, 10:30 PM
Honestly, I don't know why Eugene Monroe hasn't signed yet. He was picked 8th. The Jaguars picked Derrick Harvey 8th just last year. It's just a matter of how much of an incremental increase the Jags are willing to give, because the base is already there.

And it's not like Monroe can hold the Jags hostage. Tra Thomas is just begging for the opportunity to take the starting left tackle position and sit on it all year.

abaddon41_80
07-29-2009, 10:26 AM
Ah, I am happy to not have to deal with this. So happy Sanchez signed early and removed any potential frustration.

Signing Sanchez will create more frustration down the road than it removed early ;)

Smooth Criminal
07-29-2009, 11:03 AM
I hope Oakland breaks the bank on Bey and Crabtree holds out for even more.

I love the guys that think they deserve paid better than their slot says. Sure you were said to be drafted higher but guess what? You didn't. Crabtree and Quinn are the last two i can think of who thought they deserved paid like where they thought they were gonna go.

Smooth Criminal
07-29-2009, 11:05 AM
What in the world is that supposed to mean???

Last I checked 7 players drafted BEFORE Crabtree have yet to sign.

PLayers ahead of him are hesitant to sign because they dont want to sign and have him come in later and get more.

Players after him don't wanna sign because if he gets more than he should, they think they'll be able to.

Dam8610
07-29-2009, 11:41 AM
its not even preseason.
what the coaches say or teammates is ******* useless. People were all over Earl Bennetts nuts around this time in Chicago. Look how that played out.
Measurables are useless in the NFL. Thats why Al Davis doesnt have the best draft every year.

To say this was a good pick, and to assume that a first round pick was worth, just because the college players havent played yet and you assume no one is going to be better than him in the first round? really? i mean you think if he was that great, you dont think any other team wouldve jumped on him? Its not like a QB or a TE that is only a need marginal. Pass rushers are always needed. To think the Lions passed on him 3 times although their defense is horrible, you really think he's got to be awesome or gonna be great cause he is as big as freeney.

Thats why people think you are a homer.

Cliff Avril is all the pass rush the Lions need.

no bare feet
07-29-2009, 11:53 AM
Eric Wood signed. I may be the only person to think Wood will be a better pro than Mack.

d34ng3l021
07-29-2009, 12:40 PM
Eric Wood signed. I may be the only person to think Wood will be a better pro than Mack.

Probably. Alex Mack is a beast.

SuperMcGee
07-29-2009, 12:54 PM
Eric Wood signed. I may be the only person to think Wood will be a better pro than Mack.

I like both a lot. Mack I liked a little better, but I'm very happy with Wood (hehe).

We're playing him at guard, anyway. At least for now. Wouldn't surprise me to see him step in and be the best player on the line. Which is kind of unfortunate :/

superman8456
07-29-2009, 12:57 PM
Eric Wood signed. I may be the only person to think Wood will be a better pro than Mack.

I think Wood is just a plain nasty run blocker. He has that real tenacity and gets after guys.

phlysac
07-29-2009, 09:12 PM
PLayers ahead of him are hesitant to sign because they dont want to sign and have him come in later and get more.

Players after him don't wanna sign because if he gets more than he should, they think they'll be able to.

Yeah, blame it all on one guy. Makes sense. If they hold out they are no different.

PACKmanN
07-29-2009, 09:36 PM
Yeah, blame it all on one guy. Makes sense. If they hold out they are no different.

right, because if you were taken a pick, or two, ahead of Carbtree, you will accept less then he would...the fact that there are rumors of Carbtree wanting top 3 money will slow things down.

ChezPower4
07-29-2009, 09:38 PM
right, because if you were taken a pick, or two, ahead of Carbtree, you will accept less then he would...the fact that there are rumors of Carbtree wanting top 3 money will slow things down.

Carbtree was not a top 3 talent. It's in my eyes befuddling that he's asking/expecting to get that kind of money.

PalmerToCJ
07-29-2009, 09:52 PM
I really don't see any way that Andre Smith signs before DHB, once he gets signed I hope to see some progress. I'd expect at least a week holdout with him, hope I'm wrong.

phlysac
07-29-2009, 09:53 PM
The fact that you guys blame the #10 pick for the fact that the #2 pick has yet to sign is absolutely laughable and sprayed with conspiracy that would make Alex Jones, Oliver Stone, and Michael Moore proud.

I'm not defending Michael Crabtree for perhaps holding out. He's stupid if he does. The 49ers are deep at WR and will not miss him as much as people think. What I am defending is the fact it is extremely unfair to criticize one player for wanting more money when nearly every other player has yet to sign because they'll want more money too.

phlysac
07-29-2009, 09:56 PM
Carbtree was not a top 3 talent. It's in my eyes befuddling that he's asking/expecting to get that kind of money.

Until Paraag Marathe or Eugene Parker come out and say it, these reports are completely rumor.

In my opinion, a reporter heard Eugene Parker say that his priority was getting his client #3 money... which is appropriate because Tyson Jackson is a client of Eugene Parker.

Gay Ork Wang
07-30-2009, 03:27 AM
wait, the 49ers are deep at WR?

BlindSite
07-30-2009, 05:29 AM
wait, the 49ers are deep at WR?

Potentially.

HawkeyeFan
07-30-2009, 09:27 AM
Jason Smith is very close to signing. I wouldn't be suprised if he is on our practice field this afternoon. Signed no later than tomorrow.

abaddon41_80
07-30-2009, 09:52 AM
Carbtree was not a top 3 talent. It's in my eyes befuddling that he's asking/expecting to get that kind of money.

I don't think he deserves that kind of money but he was definitely a top 3-5 talent.

wait, the 49ers are deep at WR?

Like blindsite said, potentially. Isaac Bruce is still a solid starter, Josh Morgan and Jason Hill are both extremely talented and played well at the end of last year, Brandon Jones is a good #3/slot WR, when healthy Arnaz Battle could be the #2 on most teams, and even Dominique Zeigler has the ability to win a roster spot and has been impressive in limited action. Crabtree will, in all likelihood, be the #4 WR this year unless he really comes along fast or someone gets injured.

Gay Ork Wang
07-30-2009, 09:53 AM
i know but potentially means u havent done **** yet

abaddon41_80
07-30-2009, 09:59 AM
i know but potentially means u havent done **** yet

Neither has Crabtree, though. At least the 49ers know what they are getting in Bruce, Battle, and Jones; solid WRs that are unspectacular but consistent; and Morgan, Hill, and Zeigler have all shown potential against NFL players. Crabtree hasn't done **** in the NFL. All I am saying is, like phylsac said, the 49ers will not really miss Crabtree that much if he holds out.

Seamus2602
07-30-2009, 10:13 AM
A big reason that 1st Round picks are the last ones to sign are that teams begin negotiations with them last. Teams have to fit the 2009 Cap totals of all their Rookie Contracts into their Rookie Pool. That means that 1st Round deals have to be structured in a certain way, having Roster Bonuses, and other bonuses other than signing bonuses, in order to bring their 1st Round pick's cap hit down. They need to sign their other picks first so that they know how much of their Rookie Pool is left and how to structure the 1st Round Pick's contract.

Gay Ork Wang
07-30-2009, 10:14 AM
You will always miss if a talent is not in camp. especially if its a first rounder. i mean thats why u picked them

ThePudge
07-30-2009, 11:30 AM
Just got wind Heyward-Bey has agreed to a deal with the Raiders.

http://profootballweekly.com/2009/07/30/reports-heyward-bey-agrees-to-deal

This really paves the way for the Bengals to get the Andre Smith deal done very soon as the number 5 and number 7 picks are now locked up. The Bengals also have been doing work, signing Rey Maualuga, Michael Johnson, and Chase Coffman within the past day and a half. Hopefully that all points to Andre Smith being in camp by the end of this week or beginning of next week.

d34ng3l021
07-30-2009, 12:18 PM
The Falcons already have 7 out of 8 picks signed, and it looks like Peria Jerry's deal could be done by the end of today. His agent is Bus Cook, the same as Favre's, so now he can finally work on Jerry's deal. It will be great if all the rookies report in for training camp. The Falcons front office is showing the makings of a top unit in the league.

cvv84
07-30-2009, 12:25 PM
Packers just inked Clay Matthews. Next up Raji.

HawkeyeFan
07-30-2009, 12:34 PM
Packers just inked Clay Matthews. Next up Raji.
Pretty cheap deal as well, 5 year, $10 million? Not bad at alL!

TitleTown088
07-30-2009, 12:40 PM
Pretty cheap deal as well, 5 year, $10 million? Not bad at alL!
Incentives can reach 13 mil I believe.

HawkeyeFan
07-30-2009, 12:46 PM
I figured as much, however... still not a bad deal, I was looking for more around the $15 million range.

TitleTown088
07-30-2009, 04:08 PM
Holy crap AL gave bey more Money than Greg Jennings and a 20% increase over last years #7 overall.

tjsunstein
07-30-2009, 04:24 PM
Holy crap AL gave bey more Money than Greg Jennings and a 20% increase over last years #7 overall.

Wait, are you serious? lol

Gay Ork Wang
07-30-2009, 04:29 PM
Holy crap AL gave bey more Money than Greg Jennings and a 20% increase over last years #7 overall.
He is fast though

ChezPower4
07-30-2009, 05:15 PM
Holy crap AL gave bey more Money than Greg Jennings and a 20% increase over last years #7 overall.

For a guy who's done nothing in the NFL yet????

PACKmanN
07-30-2009, 05:32 PM
Neither has Crabtree, though. At least the 49ers know what they are getting in Bruce, Battle, and Jones; solid WRs that are unspectacular but consistent; and Morgan, Hill, and Zeigler have all shown potential against NFL players. Crabtree hasn't done **** in the NFL. All I am saying is, like phylsac said, the 49ers will not really miss Crabtree that much if he holds out.

I can't think of one guy in that roster who has a chance of getting 1000 yards.

cvv84
07-30-2009, 05:36 PM
Jason Smith has reportedly put ink on paper

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/30/rams-smith-strike-a-deal/

abaddon41_80
07-30-2009, 07:13 PM
I can't think of one guy in that roster who has a chance of getting 1000 yards.

But all of them have a chance for 700-900. The 49ers do not have a really good receiver but they have a lot of average to slightly above average ones.

T-RICH49
07-30-2009, 07:32 PM
I sure hope Tyson Jackson's not the last to sign

umphrey
07-30-2009, 09:44 PM
But all of them have a chance for 700-900. The 49ers do not have a really good receiver but they have a lot of average to slightly above average ones.

They have a bunch of #3s if they can stay healthy. And the wildcard, Crabtree.

abaddon41_80
07-30-2009, 09:51 PM
They have a bunch of #3s if they can stay healthy. And the wildcard, Crabtree.

Josh Morgan and Jason Hill are both wildcards as well.

cvv84
07-30-2009, 10:22 PM
Skins sign Orapko

http://twitter.com/RedskinsInsider

phlysac
07-31-2009, 10:50 PM
I can't think of one guy in that roster who has a chance of getting 1000 yards.

Watch it happen this season.

phlysac
07-31-2009, 10:53 PM
They have a bunch of #3s if they can stay healthy. And the wildcard, Crabtree.

That's hilarious.