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Splat
08-13-2009, 08:20 AM
http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=313503&src=148

"Oh yeah," Cutler said. "I think they're definitely going to ask me. If they don't ask me, I'm going to tell them what I think because I've got to be the one throwing to them on game day, and I've got to trust them. But (offensive coordinator) Ron (Turner) and I have been on the same page since the start of training camp in what guys we wanted to see working in with me and what guys have stepped up and what direction we want to go with this group."

According to coach Lovie Smith, players have input, but only so much.

"Yeah, sure, all the players have influence, I mean we listen to them," he said. "Of course we'll listen to the quarterback, and not only the quarterback, but the rest of our team, too. We want to know how a player fits into the rest of the group. The quarterback has to feel comfortable with the receivers, so we listen to them but in the end we know who is going to make those kinds of decisions."

Smith said the starters could play into the second quarter in Buffalo, so Cutler will get a chance to evaluate his receivers in game conditions.

"I just want to see them in action, just to see how they react when the lights come on," Cutler said. "The speed's going to be a little bit different. It'll be faster for them. Things will be moving at a different speed. The coaches aren't going to be out there. They're going to have to react on their own."

bearfan
08-13-2009, 08:26 AM
I dont think its as demanding as the thread title sounds. I would imagine that he has some say in who he is throwing the ball to, which up to this point he has already put in a good word for 2 recievers who then have gotten to try playing with the #1 team.

awfullyquiet
08-13-2009, 09:11 AM
i'm sure turner (hopefully) would do what any good OC would do and see who, naturally, the QB has a good rapport with...

which is all cutler is 'hopefully' asking... and all the staff will probably give him.

JFLO
08-13-2009, 09:15 AM
What quarterback wouldn't want a say in the final roster? Can't blame him for saying this because if they put talent on the field that he doesn't have the timing with or isn't in sync with, then the results are going to be that great.

tjsunstein
08-13-2009, 09:25 AM
It's only news because Cutler said it. The media will do anything to keep beating on his drums this offseason. Truth be told, all QBs do this.

CC.SD
08-13-2009, 09:43 AM
It's not like he's demanding anything, but I really believe that Cutler doesn't understand he's just a player on the roster like everyone else. First the shrieky meltdown over trade talks, then this...get some perspective, Jay.

Gay Ork Wang
08-13-2009, 09:53 AM
ZOMGZ CUTLERZZZzzz

The Great Jonathan Vilma
08-13-2009, 09:56 AM
It's not like he's demanding anything, but I really believe that Cutler doesn't understand he's just a player on the roster like everyone else. First the shrieky meltdown over trade talks, then this...get some perspective, Jay.

....someone doesn't like Cutler

Jay didn't want to play in Denver. That is his call. They are his emotions and his thoughts. The coach was a D-bag to him. The organization made it a public match. Jay simply didn't want to play for that coach. It wasn't a 'meltdown' unless you look at it from the Denver perspective. Jay was strong with his intentions and got out of that crap situation. Why doesn't he have a right to do that? Odds are there were things done to lead to that situation, and they aren't all on Jay.

Get some perspective? You don't think QBs get input on teams? I'm talking those QBs who are set on their teams, not someone in a battle or in question. This is something that is obvious. Read his quote - "I think they're definitely going to ask me. If they don't ask me, I'm going to tell them what I think because I've got to be the one throwing to them on game day, and I've got to trust them." I don't see what is wrong with this. He THINKS they are going to ask him. If not, he's going to provide his input, they can choose to take it or leave it. He is leading this offense, and he has stake in it too.

Not a shot or anything, but maybe you are the one who needs some perspective.

MidwayMonster31
08-13-2009, 11:18 AM
Why is this even news?
Quarterbacks let coaches know who they like working with all the time. Captains have a say in who they want in the locker room. It's the coaches decision, but players can at least let the coach know what they think.

sweetness34
08-13-2009, 12:01 PM
Who gives a ****? Why do people try and constantly stir things up?

If you actually heard the interview he said that he and Turner have been on the same page this offseason in terms of who they are looking at.

sweetness34
08-13-2009, 12:02 PM
It's not like he's demanding anything, but I really believe that Cutler doesn't understand he's just a player on the roster like everyone else. First the shrieky meltdown over trade talks, then this...get some perspective, Jay.

I find it funny you attack Jay on this when you probably have the biggest douche in the league under center as your QB.

San Diego Chicken
08-13-2009, 12:11 PM
I find it funny you attack Jay on this when you probably have the biggest douche in the league under center as your QB.


You really didn't have to take it there, but since you did, Rivers poops out more character than Jay Cutler will ever have. If I were a bear fan, I'd be worried about him imploding the entire team, and that's not an exagerration.

Gay Ork Wang
08-13-2009, 12:16 PM
You really didn't have to take it there, but since you did, Rivers poops out more character than Jay Cutler will ever have. If I were a bear fan, I'd be worried about him imploding the entire team, and that's not an exagerration.
awwwwwwwwwwwww how cute, sounds like a disgruntled Charger fan hating on a former bronco

FlyingElvis
08-13-2009, 12:17 PM
Another non-issue. I'll toss this one on the same pile as "McDaniel's latest screw up."

And I must say I misjudged Cutler previously on the Cutler vs. Rivers douchbaggery debate. So I will extend my apologies to Rivers as it is now clear to me that the 2 remain in a dead heat for that particular award.

At least River has my respect for his gutsy performance playing through injury in the playoffs a few years back.

Slight edge: Cutler . . . way to be a bigger douche. lol

sweetness34
08-13-2009, 12:19 PM
You really didn't have to take it there, but since you did, Rivers poops out more character than Jay Cutler will ever have. If I were a bear fan, I'd be worried about him imploding the entire team, and that's not an exagerration.

There was no need for him to comment on Jay's character since this was a complete non-issue, but since he did I figured I'd give him some perspective that the QB you guys root for also happens to be a douche bag. Rivers and character in the same sentence is absolutely hilarious.

I don't claim Jay to be a saint, he's definitely a guy that can rub you the wrong way but for a Charger fan to claim that Jay lacks character, I find that amusing.

tjsunstein
08-13-2009, 12:20 PM
You really didn't have to take it there, but since you did, Rivers poops out more character than Jay Cutler will ever have. If I were a bear fan, I'd be worried about him imploding the entire team, and that's not an exagerration.

Definitely an exaggeration.

FlyingElvis
08-13-2009, 12:28 PM
You really didn't have to take it there, but since you did, Rivers poops out more character than Jay Cutler will ever have. If I were a bear fan, I'd be worried about him imploding the entire team, and that's not an exagerration.

Definitely an exaggeration.

See, I think you just read it wrong. What SDChicken must have been implying was that Rivers literally poops out all his character, thereby having none remaining to display publicly. So his douchebaggery is apparently the result of some bizarre medical condition.

Paul
08-13-2009, 12:43 PM
You really didn't have to take it there, but since you did, Rivers poops out more character than Jay Cutler will ever have. If I were a bear fan, I'd be worried about him imploding the entire team, and that's not an exagerration.

Umm, I think that's the very definition of an exaggeration.

bearsfan_51
08-13-2009, 12:46 PM
What's up with Chargers fans being so negative? Seriously. You live in the nicest city in America and your team has been a winner for the past 5-6 seasons. Go to the beach and chill out. I'd understand if you were from Detroit.

bearsfan_51
08-13-2009, 12:53 PM
Also, Cutler is not "just another player." He's the starting quarterback and one of the best in the league.

You think Peyton Manning doesn't walk around like he's king ****? Gimme a break.

Stash
08-13-2009, 01:43 PM
Shouldn't even be news, just some dummy trying to create news instead of report news.

D-Unit
08-13-2009, 02:14 PM
So who are the receivers Cutler has been connecting with most in TC? Who are his "trusted" ones?

The Bennett connection is easy to look at and talk words about it. But is there real substance behind it all? Who is Cutler really looking at?

SFbear
08-13-2009, 02:31 PM
So who are the receivers Cutler has been connecting with most in TC? Who are his "trusted" ones?

The Bennett connection is easy to look at and talk words about it. But is there real substance behind it all? Who is Cutler really looking at?

http://www.windycitynation.com/images/slides/0000/0049/Greg_Olsen.jpg

iowatreat54
08-13-2009, 02:49 PM
You guys really don't want to know what WRs Cutler has said he wants to keep...

regoob2
08-13-2009, 02:58 PM
I love that he's not afraid to step up and take charge. He's a great leader. He's gonna be great here.

San Diego Chicken
08-13-2009, 03:18 PM
What's up with Chargers fans being so negative? Seriously. You live in the nicest city in America and your team has been a winner for the past 5-6 seasons. Go to the beach and chill out. I'd understand if you were from Detroit.

I went surfing this morning before work. A little overcast, the water was cool, but I like it like that. Board's still in the truck bed and I might go again after work.

CC.SD
08-13-2009, 03:24 PM
Oh my god, if people are going to cry and randomly bring up Rivers every time I voice an opinion about Cutler, I'll stop.

Just kidding, I still think it's pretty funny. Because now it's the Bears fans!

God forbid the guy get discussed on a message board during the same offseason he literally whined his way out of Denver.

I don't think I'm negative BF, usually I am pretty sunny...

CC.SD
08-13-2009, 03:49 PM
....someone doesn't like Cutler

Jay didn't want to play in Denver. That is his call. They are his emotions and his thoughts. The coach was a D-bag to him. The organization made it a public match. Jay simply didn't want to play for that coach. It wasn't a 'meltdown' unless you look at it from the Denver perspective. Jay was strong with his intentions and got out of that crap situation. Why doesn't he have a right to do that? Odds are there were things done to lead to that situation, and they aren't all on Jay.

Get some perspective? You don't think QBs get input on teams? I'm talking those QBs who are set on their teams, not someone in a battle or in question. This is something that is obvious. Read his quote - "I think they're definitely going to ask me. If they don't ask me, I'm going to tell them what I think because I've got to be the one throwing to them on game day, and I've got to trust them." I don't see what is wrong with this. He THINKS they are going to ask him. If not, he's going to provide his input, they can choose to take it or leave it. He is leading this offense, and he has stake in it too.

Not a shot or anything, but maybe you are the one who needs some perspective.

Come on, this is definitely a shot, and an unncessary one. My only statement was that Jay doesn't view himself as a player on the roster, but rather something more. Which to some degree is true, because he is more important, but that's not how business in the NFL works, at least when it's going smoothly.

It wasn't Jays' "call" to decide where he wanted to play. I can understand that somehow you came down on his side but seriously the guy was under contract and beloved by the fans. He added substantially to the pile of crap that got him out of Denver.

He was offended at the potential TB trade, and by not brushing it aside and going about his business, he turned it into something bigger. It was Cutler's side that made it a public match, don't forget.

And I believe the Denver situation definitely qualifies as a meltdown. Terrible communication and mistakes on both sides sent the single most important player on the squad packing. I'm hardly the first to use the term, is this really something you have an issue with?

I'm sure QBs do get input on team makeup...but why is Cutler going out of his way to say that if they don't ask him, he is going to tell them (management.)? Especially...to the press?

It's not necessary. It doesn't make him look better. If anything he's calling out the Bears FO to include him, which isn't ideal behavior for a franchise QB.

One last thing; just because I'm a Bolt fan doesn't mean I don't have reasoning behind my opinions:

I don't think I'm the only person to not be a fan of Cutler's behavior, quotes, and actions this offseason. The only reason I've bothered typing this out is because I was literally called out for having lost perspective. So there's my perspective. Is it really that offensive?

I think Jay is going to have a great career in Chicago btw. He's clearly an ace on the field.

bantx
08-13-2009, 03:59 PM
So how did Rivers get into this?

LonghornsLegend
08-13-2009, 04:15 PM
I find it funny you attack Jay on this when you probably have the biggest douche in the league under center as your QB.

Ummm, I hardly see how his statement was an "attack" of any sort.


I'm almost mad that Jay isn't in Denver anymore just because I wanted to see him and Rivers go at it for another 8 years, it's obvious these fans don't really like eachother very much.

scottyboy
08-13-2009, 04:19 PM
So how did Rivers get into this?

there's a "that's what she said" joke in there somewhere.

but come on, you don't think every other QB doesn't have a sense of "I call the shots" on their team and the offense? especially one who just fetched a ton in a trade, trying to set his place on the team as the leader. You think guys like the Mannings, Brady, Brees etc. don't have say?

You bet your ass Eli's gonna have a big input on which of the young, mediocre/under-achieving WR's makes the Giants squad (i'm a giants fan, kill me for using them as the example, but whatever)

iowatreat54
08-13-2009, 04:24 PM
Who cares, it's Jay Cutler.

Happy Jay Cutler day all!

CC.SD
08-13-2009, 04:26 PM
Ummm, I hardly see how his statement was an "attack" of any sort.


I'm almost mad that Jay isn't in Denver anymore just because I wanted to see him and Rivers go at it for another 8 years, it's obvious these fans don't really like eachother very much.

I think it would have been a pretty killer rivalry for a long time as well.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
08-13-2009, 04:52 PM
Come on, this is definitely a shot, and an unncessary one. My only statement was that Jay doesn't view himself as a player on the roster, but rather something more. Which to some degree is true, because he is more important, but that's not how business in the NFL works, at least when it's going smoothly.

It wasn't Jays' "call" to decide where he wanted to play. I can understand that somehow you came down on his side but seriously the guy was under contract and beloved by the fans. He added substantially to the pile of crap that got him out of Denver.

He was offended at the potential TB trade, and by not brushing it aside and going about his business, he turned it into something bigger. It was Cutler's side that made it a public match, don't forget.

And I believe the Denver situation definitely qualifies as a meltdown. Terrible communication and mistakes on both sides sent the single most important player on the squad packing. I'm hardly the first to use the term, is this really something you have an issue with?

I'm sure QBs do get input on team makeup...but why is Cutler going out of his way to say that if they don't ask him, he is going to tell them (management.)? Especially...to the press?

It's not necessary. It doesn't make him look better. If anything he's calling out the Bears FO to include him, which isn't ideal behavior for a franchise QB.

One last thing; just because I'm a Bolt fan doesn't mean I don't have reasoning behind my opinions:

I don't think I'm the only person to not be a fan of Cutler's behavior, quotes, and actions this offseason. The only reason I've bothered typing this out is because I was literally called out for having lost perspective. So there's my perspective. Is it really that offensive?

I think Jay is going to have a great career in Chicago btw. He's clearly an ace on the field.

When i said it wasn't meant to be a 'shot' i meant it. I only threw it in because you used that saying and I wanted it to be known that it goes both ways.

Cutler did make the call that he didn't want to play in Denver. Sure he was under contract, but this isn't the first time players have demanded a trade. Fact is, it is usually about money, this one wasn't. Cutler took a hard stance at a coach who came in and tried to trade him right off the bat. Not a vote of confidence. He then proceeded to lie to him and basically take the relationship down a road with no trust. Cutler didn't want to play for someone like that, didn't want to have to be looking over his shoulder, and he wants to be confident and know that he's safe. I don't think that is unreasonable given that he's a young stud QB. McDaniels disrespected him. Denver got something for him, be happy. He did add to the pile that got him out of Denver, but he certainly didn't start it. Fans have nothing to do with this situation.

I agree it was a meltdown, but I would say it was Denver management that melted down, not Cutler. Hidden agendas, lies, and a new cocky coach? Appealling. Is that how you treat your 'best player' and QB? You go in, setup groundwork, talk, communicate, build trust, and work together. McDaniels failed. Cutler wanted nothing to do with it.

Out of his way to say this? He was asked by the media. Him saying that is not something that has never happened before. What he said makes total 100% sense. Management should hear what he has to say. I don't get your stance on this.

The fact that you are a Chargers fan doesn't make a difference to me in the slightest, i just don't agree with your 'perspective' in this instance.

General Zod
08-13-2009, 05:01 PM
http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20080922/97849.jpg


Sorry, I'll leave now.

Gay Ork Wang
08-13-2009, 05:16 PM
So who are the receivers Cutler has been connecting with most in TC? Who are his "trusted" ones?

The Bennett connection is easy to look at and talk words about it. But is there real substance behind it all? Who is Cutler really looking at?
Well the receivers he really likes have combined less than 10 NFL catches.

Earl Bennett he really likes, then Devin Hester obviously, the other 2 are Rideau, a 6'3'' receiver, and Devin Aromashudo (sp?). Both of the latter have impressed in the OTAs and TC. Bennett looks a lot better after he digested the playbook it seems

BlindSite
08-13-2009, 05:39 PM
So it's a surprise that if a QB has a broner for you, you tend to get more playtime?

CC.SD
08-13-2009, 05:42 PM
http://i.tsn.com/i/photos/20080922/97849.jpg


Sorry, I'll leave now.

It's all good, it gives me an excuse to post my favorite inexplicable Rivers image.

http://splog.nationallampoon.com/files/2009/07/p1_rivers.jpg


Those are definitely good points Vilma, see my PM. Overall I do admit the Cutler mess leaves a bad taste in my mouth because I think it was just so so easily avoidable. But McDaniels and Jay are obviously very proud guys.

the decider13
08-13-2009, 05:45 PM
I think it's hilarious that no fan from the AFC west is allowed to voice an opinion on Cutler.

I wish I could call Cutler a douche without having everyone get all "ZOMG you just hate him because he isn't on your team anymore hahahahaha"

CC.SD
08-13-2009, 05:52 PM
I think it's hilarious that no fan from the AFC west is allowed to voice an opinion on Cutler.

I wish I could call Cutler a douche without having everyone get all "ZOMG you just hate him because he isn't on your team anymore hahahahaha"

It's okay there's still no restrictions on McDaniels.

bearsfan_51
08-13-2009, 06:27 PM
I think it's hilarious that no fan from the AFC west is allowed to voice an opinion on Cutler.

I wish I could call Cutler a douche without having everyone get all "ZOMG you just hate him because he isn't on your team anymore hahahahaha"

Show me a post pre-trade where you say he's a douche and you'll have some credibility.

Bucs_Rule
08-13-2009, 06:47 PM
I think it would have been a pretty killer rivalry for a long time as well.

Yeah, it would have been. We'll have to settle for Rosenfels/Cutler instead.

Doesn't have the same ring to it. Its like instead of Batman vs Joker you have Batman vs Pacman.

CC.SD
08-13-2009, 06:51 PM
Yeah, it would have been. We'll have to settle for Rosenfels/Cutler instead.

Doesn't have the same ring to it. Its like instead of Batman vs Joker you have Batman vs Pacman.

Van Helsing vs. Igor

Gay Ork Wang
08-13-2009, 06:57 PM
Yeah, it would have been. We'll have to settle for Rosenfels/Cutler instead.

Doesn't have the same ring to it. Its like instead of Batman vs Joker you have Batman vs Pacman.
We have Rodgers vs Cutler vs Stafford

sweetness34
08-14-2009, 10:34 AM
Come on, this is definitely a shot, and an unncessary one. My only statement was that Jay doesn't view himself as a player on the roster, but rather something more. Which to some degree is true, because he is more important, but that's not how business in the NFL works, at least when it's going smoothly.

It wasn't Jays' "call" to decide where he wanted to play. I can understand that somehow you came down on his side but seriously the guy was under contract and beloved by the fans. He added substantially to the pile of crap that got him out of Denver.

He was offended at the potential TB trade, and by not brushing it aside and going about his business, he turned it into something bigger. It was Cutler's side that made it a public match, don't forget.

And I believe the Denver situation definitely qualifies as a meltdown. Terrible communication and mistakes on both sides sent the single most important player on the squad packing. I'm hardly the first to use the term, is this really something you have an issue with?

I'm sure QBs do get input on team makeup...but why is Cutler going out of his way to say that if they don't ask him, he is going to tell them (management.)? Especially...to the press?

It's not necessary. It doesn't make him look better. If anything he's calling out the Bears FO to include him, which isn't ideal behavior for a franchise QB.

One last thing; just because I'm a Bolt fan doesn't mean I don't have reasoning behind my opinions:

I don't think I'm the only person to not be a fan of Cutler's behavior, quotes, and actions this offseason. The only reason I've bothered typing this out is because I was literally called out for having lost perspective. So there's my perspective. Is it really that offensive?

I think Jay is going to have a great career in Chicago btw. He's clearly an ace on the field.

He didn't go out of his way in saying that he would give input to the coaches about the WR's, he was asked a question and responded. If the coaches don't ask Jay what he likes and doesn't like there is a problem. He's a new QB in a new system with new receivers. You have to see Jay's comfort level throwing to these guys. Again if you read the interview transcript he also said that he and Turner have been on the same page this entire offseason on what they'd like to do, but Jay also stated that he thinks he should have input on these WR's because he's the one that is throwing to them on Sunday's. If he doesn't feel comfortable with one of the guys out there then he should say something, it's called feedback.

Secondly, McDaniels was the one that decided to open up trade conversations about Matt Cassel and then proceeded to lie to Jay when he confronted him about the trade. No coach in their right mind considers trading their All-Pro QB for a guy who still is unproven at the NFL level, regardless if he is the "better fit for the system." McDaniels was ******* stupid for considering this trade and it back fired on him. Jay lost trust in his coach and wanted out. Did Jay jump the gun? Sure he did, I think he could have cooled off for a couple weeks and maybe this thing blows over, but Jay believed that he was lied to by the coach and since he didn't trust him he asked for a trade. Denver had their franchise QB in place, I don't see why McDaniels felt the need to weigh other opportunities for the position. Matt Cassel may be a good QB down the road but Jay Cutler is one of the best young QB's in the game. He was the face of the franchise and he had solidified the most important position in football for a very good organization. No team in their right mind tries even considers trading that type of player for a player like Matt Cassel. McDaniels didn't even both seeing what Cutler could do in his system before doing this.

I think all Jay was asking for was honesty from the Head Coach and he felt that he couldn't even get that from him, which is why he asked for the trade.

I really could care less what you think of Cutler. Love him, hate him it doesn't really matter. But this story was a complete non-issue and you decided to bring up the fact that he thinks he's basically bigger than the team, which is completely untrue. Jay was asked a question and he answered it. I can guarantee you that he's not the only one who would say that he would like to have input on what WR's should be higher on the depth chart. Ask the Bear coaches and players what they think of him and you'll hear very good things so far about how he's been "just another guy." The coaches have raved about his leadership and work ethic so far. I know some will say that this is just an act and if things get bad he's going to turn 180 degrees but until that happens, why even make this story relevant? It's like people are trying to find things he says to bring him down because they don't like him.

sweetness34
08-14-2009, 10:41 AM
It's kind of hard to put other players in Jay's situation in Denver because this has never happened. No team has attempted to trade their franchise QB behind his back before from what I can remember. But do you think Rivers would handle this properly if the Chargers brought in a new coach that tried to trade him right off the bat? Or how about if Atlanta discussed trading Matt Ryan?

This never happens in the NFL. Jay is a very outspoken person and it probably added to the situation, but at the same token put yourself in his position. If a new coach tried to trade you behind your back and then lied to you about it, how would you react?

San Diego Chicken
08-14-2009, 12:54 PM
It's a business, not personal. Cutler took it personally, like he does with everything; if he had treated it like business he would still be a Denver Bronco. McDaniels doesnt owe it to Cutler to be completely honest, he's the boss.

Gay Ork Wang
08-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Buisness wise, it is better to change a team and have job security than dont

San Diego Chicken
08-14-2009, 01:23 PM
Buisness wise, it is better to change a team and have job security than dont

There isn't any job security in the NFL.

Gay Ork Wang
08-14-2009, 01:45 PM
There isn't any job security in the NFL.
yes, but neither is there anywhere. But id rather be a QB in a place that commits to me until i play horribly than a place where they want to trade me after i went to the pro bowl and carried the team

Shiver
08-14-2009, 01:57 PM
Jay Cutler is a *****.

soybean
08-14-2009, 02:00 PM
Aaron Rodgers > Jay Cutler + Phillip Rivers

CC.SD
08-14-2009, 03:16 PM
He didn't go out of his way in saying that he would give input to the coaches about the WR's, he was asked a question and responded. If the coaches don't ask Jay what he likes and doesn't like there is a problem. He's a new QB in a new system with new receivers. You have to see Jay's comfort level throwing to these guys. Again if you read the interview transcript he also said that he and Turner have been on the same page this entire offseason on what they'd like to do, but Jay also stated that he thinks he should have input on these WR's because he's the one that is throwing to them on Sunday's. If he doesn't feel comfortable with one of the guys out there then he should say something, it's called feedback.

Secondly, McDaniels was the one that decided to open up trade conversations about Matt Cassel and then proceeded to lie to Jay when he confronted him about the trade. No coach in their right mind considers trading their All-Pro QB for a guy who still is unproven at the NFL level, regardless if he is the "better fit for the system." McDaniels was ******* stupid for considering this trade and it back fired on him. Jay lost trust in his coach and wanted out. Did Jay jump the gun? Sure he did, I think he could have cooled off for a couple weeks and maybe this thing blows over, but Jay believed that he was lied to by the coach and since he didn't trust him he asked for a trade. Denver had their franchise QB in place, I don't see why McDaniels felt the need to weigh other opportunities for the position. Matt Cassel may be a good QB down the road but Jay Cutler is one of the best young QB's in the game. He was the face of the franchise and he had solidified the most important position in football for a very good organization. No team in their right mind tries even considers trading that type of player for a player like Matt Cassel. McDaniels didn't even both seeing what Cutler could do in his system before doing this.

I think all Jay was asking for was honesty from the Head Coach and he felt that he couldn't even get that from him, which is why he asked for the trade.

I really could care less what you think of Cutler. Love him, hate him it doesn't really matter. But this story was a complete non-issue and you decided to bring up the fact that he thinks he's basically bigger than the team, which is completely untrue. Jay was asked a question and he answered it. I can guarantee you that he's not the only one who would say that he would like to have input on what WR's should be higher on the depth chart. Ask the Bear coaches and players what they think of him and you'll hear very good things so far about how he's been "just another guy." The coaches have raved about his leadership and work ethic so far. I know some will say that this is just an act and if things get bad he's going to turn 180 degrees but until that happens, why even make this story relevant? It's like people are trying to find things he says to bring him down because they don't like him.


Ugh really just do not feel like continuing down this road. Ultimately I think everyone is a little overreactive when it comes to Cutler...either not liking him for his off the field BS or being overly defensive and coming to his rescue. Let's just watch football.

Xenos
08-14-2009, 03:26 PM
I find it funny you attack Jay on this when you probably have the biggest douche in the league under center as your QB.
Unlike Cutler, Rivers actually doesn't grab his crotch in front of a stadium when his team is losing. He's actually busy trying to help his teammate win unlike Jeff George Dos.

Xenos
08-14-2009, 03:27 PM
....someone doesn't like Cutler

Jay didn't want to play in Denver. That is his call. They are his emotions and his thoughts. The coach was a D-bag to him. The organization made it a public match. Jay simply didn't want to play for that coach. It wasn't a 'meltdown' unless you look at it from the Denver perspective. Jay was strong with his intentions and got out of that crap situation. Why doesn't he have a right to do that? Odds are there were things done to lead to that situation, and they aren't all on Jay.

Get some perspective? You don't think QBs get input on teams? I'm talking those QBs who are set on their teams, not someone in a battle or in question. This is something that is obvious. Read his quote - "I think they're definitely going to ask me. If they don't ask me, I'm going to tell them what I think because I've got to be the one throwing to them on game day, and I've got to trust them." I don't see what is wrong with this. He THINKS they are going to ask him. If not, he's going to provide his input, they can choose to take it or leave it. He is leading this offense, and he has stake in it too.

Not a shot or anything, but maybe you are the one who needs some perspective.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/04/cutlers-about-face-i-didnt-want-to-get-traded.html

"I was surprised they decided to trade me this soon," Cutler told Fox Sports. "I didn't want to get traded. This wasn't me. They had been going back and forth saying things, wanting me to be their quarterback and then they didn't."

Xenos
08-14-2009, 03:29 PM
What's up with Chargers fans being so negative? Seriously. You live in the nicest city in America and your team has been a winner for the past 5-6 seasons. Go to the beach and chill out. I'd understand if you were from Detroit.
I call like it like I see it. And I've been on his case ever since that incident in SD in 2007. As a SD fan, I'm actually upset that Mr. Choker is gone.

San Diego Chicken
08-14-2009, 04:10 PM
Ugh really just do not feel like continuing down this road. Ultimately I think everyone is a little overreactive when it comes to Cutler...either not liking him for his off the field BS or being overly defensive and coming to his rescue. Let's just watch football.

The problem is, there is a lot of posturing and hypocrisy coming from the Cutler supporters.

They say he had a right to pout because McDaniels wasn't up front with him, or didn't like him, whatever. That a player needs to feel he can trust the coach. He wants job security.

Well, does anyone even remember how Cutler arrived in Denver? Shanahan moved up in the draft, months after Jake Plummer took them to the AFCCG, and subsequently replaced him after Thanksgiving of that season. The Broncos were 7-4 or 7-5 (can't remember) and still had a chance to make the playoffs.

Couldn't Plummer have reacted in the same way after they drafted Cutler? Couldn't he have skipped OTA's, ignored his bosses phone calls, and demanded a trade?

I can predict what the response from the other side would be. "BUT CUTLER IS SOOOO SO MUCH BETTER THAN PLUMMER!! HE WAS A PRO BOWLER LAST YEAR!"

Guess what, Plummer was also coming off of a Pro Bowl season. And three straight playoff appearances.

Mike Shanahan simply hated Jake Plummer, and Jake dealt with it, giving that man the last glimmer of success he'll ever taste in the NFL.

bearsfan_51
08-14-2009, 04:21 PM
Jay Cutler is a *****.
Matt Ryan waxes his eyebrows.

sweetness34
08-14-2009, 04:40 PM
McDaniels doesn't owe it to his franchise QB to be completely honest? Are you ******* kidding me? If you want to keep your job in the NFL you have to be honest with your players to keep their trust. Everyone else (the media, fans, etc) doesn't really matter, but lying to your players is going to get you in hot water very quickly because in the end, it's how the players perform on the field that determines whether you keep your job.

sweetness34
08-14-2009, 04:59 PM
Unlike Cutler, Rivers actually doesn't grab his crotch in front of a stadium when his team is losing. He's actually busy trying to help his teammate win unlike Jeff George Dos.

You either love Jay or you hate him but Rivers is just as much of a douche as Cutler is. Those two are outside of Favre probably the most disliked Quarterbacks in the league.

It also helps when you have LT/Turner running the rock and a beastly defense to rely on as well, although Rivers is a helluva QB.

This was much ado about nothing. He's cocky and says whatever is on his mind, this isn't a surprise to anyone. When something he says is actually relevant to him being a douche then fine but any good QB is going to give feedback to his coaches, especially one that is with a new team in which the WR's have been questioned.

CC.SD
08-14-2009, 08:43 PM
You either love Jay or you hate him but Rivers is just as much of a douche as Cutler is. Those two are outside of Favre probably the most disliked Quarterbacks in the league.

It also helps when you have LT/Turner running the rock and a beastly defense to rely on as well, although Rivers is a helluva QB.

This was much ado about nothing. He's cocky and says whatever is on his mind, this isn't a surprise to anyone. When something he says is actually relevant to him being a douche then fine but any good QB is going to give feedback to his coaches, especially one that is with a new team in which the WR's have been questioned.

Seriously guys this isn't a Rivers thread. Just once I want to see a thread about Cutler that does not inevitably lead to someone spouting off some amazingly original Rivers material or arguments.

Xenos
08-15-2009, 01:04 AM
McDaniels doesn't owe it to his franchise QB to be completely honest? Are you ******* kidding me? If you want to keep your job in the NFL you have to be honest with your players to keep their trust. Everyone else (the media, fans, etc) doesn't really matter, but lying to your players is going to get you in hot water very quickly because in the end, it's how the players perform on the field that determines whether you keep your job.
Dude you're supporting a guy who basically demanded that the Broncos give him a say in who gets hired as HC after Shanahan was let go, and then asked for a trade after his OC Jeremy Bates was let go. And to top it off, he played mind games with the FO as well, and only after he is finally traded did he start to regret being traded. He's freaking a spoiled brat who doesn't know what he wants.

bearsfan_51
08-15-2009, 01:13 AM
Dude you're supporting a guy who basically demanded that the Broncos give him a say in who gets hired as HC after Shanahan was let go, and then asked for a trade after his OC Jeremy Bates was let go. And to top it off, he played mind games with the FO as well, and only after he is finally traded did he start to regret being traded. He's freaking a spoiled brat who doesn't know what he wants.

Half of your posts on this board are bitching about Culter. Move on.

Xenos
08-15-2009, 01:44 AM
Half of your posts on this board are bitching about Culter. Move on.
I suggest you move on since you're in the wrong thread. You can't refute what I said so you're just putting your hands to your ears hoping that I'm wrong, but you'll see what I mean when he starts losing and choking like he always does and turning on the media. I can't wait for that day. Though your team does have my sympathies. You guys deserve better than Jeff George reincarnate.

Thumper
08-15-2009, 01:49 AM
Why does this matter? McNabb has a say in who makes the roster, I mean he just got the Eagles to sign Vick. Of course you're going to have some locks like Hester, Bennett and even Olsen but when you're deciding who you're going to keep as the #4, 5 or 6 receivers and #3 TE, why wouldn't you ask your QB? You want the players that he is comfortable throwing to and has trust in, so who cares?

Xenos
08-15-2009, 02:07 AM
Why does this matter? McNabb has a say in who makes the roster, I mean he just got the Eagles to sign Vick. Of course you're going to have some locks like Hester, Bennett and even Olsen but when you're deciding who you're going to keep as the #4, 5 or 6 receivers and #3 TE, why wouldn't you ask your QB? You want the players that he is comfortable throwing to and has trust in, so who cares?
Here's the thing though, I don't think Cutler has done enough to warrant the same level of respect and command that McNabb has. In fact, people are too enarmored with his physical talent and not looking at the entire picture.

For example, he has one of the strongest arms in the league, but his deep ball accuracy is horrible. And because he has such a strong arm, he lacks touch on his throws, especially in the redzone where he just tries to gun it in all the time. In fact, he relies on that rocket arm too much instead of playing smart and taking what the defense gives him. It's one reason why he had so many needless interceptions last year. That and his tunnel vision when it comes to locking on to one receiver.

But in the end, I see him as a QB who just doesn't have what it takes to overcome adversity. Really, all he had to do last year to make the playoffs was beat the Raiders the second time at home. That's it. Forget the last four game slide. Just the freaking Raiders. I keep bringing them up because it was the one game against a sorry opponent where he had a good running attack with Peyton Hillis. And it wasn't even a close game.

Thumper
08-15-2009, 03:20 AM
Here's the thing though, I don't think Cutler has done enough to warrant the same level of respect and command that McNabb has. In fact, people are too enarmored with his physical talent and not looking at the entire picture.

For example, he has one of the strongest arms in the league, but his deep ball accuracy is horrible. And because he has such a strong arm, he lacks touch on his throws, especially in the redzone where he just tries to gun it in all the time. In fact, he relies on that rocket arm too much instead of playing smart and taking what the defense gives him. It's one reason why he had so many needless interceptions last year. That and his tunnel vision when it comes to locking on to one receiver.

But in the end, I see him as a QB who just doesn't have what it takes to overcome adversity. Really, all he had to do last year to make the playoffs was beat the Raiders the second time at home. That's it. Forget the last four game slide. Just the freaking Raiders. I keep bringing them up because it was the one game against a sorry opponent where he had a good running attack with Peyton Hillis. And it wasn't even a close game.

The bolded part sounds exactly like McNabb.

And it isn't the amount clout and accomplishments that should determine whether or not you deserve to have a say. Cutler could be the worst QB in the NFL and he should still have a say. The coaching staff should defer to him when they have to make a tough roster cut because Jay Cutler is the one throwing the ball, he is the one who has to be comfortable with his targets, not the coaching staff, chemistry and timing is important to Cutler not the coaching staff. Like I said in every team in the NFL you've got players that are absolutely not going to be cut, but when you're trying to decide who makes the roster between say, Devin Aromashodu and John Broussard, it is my opinion that the coaching staff should at least ask the QB who he likes better.

Gay Ork Wang
08-15-2009, 05:12 AM
Here's the thing though, I don't think Cutler has done enough to warrant the same level of respect and command that McNabb has. In fact, people are too enarmored with his physical talent and not looking at the entire picture.

For example, he has one of the strongest arms in the league, but his deep ball accuracy is horrible. And because he has such a strong arm, he lacks touch on his throws, especially in the redzone where he just tries to gun it in all the time. In fact, he relies on that rocket arm too much instead of playing smart and taking what the defense gives him. It's one reason why he had so many needless interceptions last year. That and his tunnel vision when it comes to locking on to one receiver.

But in the end, I see him as a QB who just doesn't have what it takes to overcome adversity. Really, all he had to do last year to make the playoffs was beat the Raiders the second time at home. That's it. Forget the last four game slide. Just the freaking Raiders. I keep bringing them up because it was the one game against a sorry opponent where he had a good running attack with Peyton Hillis. And it wasn't even a close game.
2 guesses.

You are a Broncos fan.

You loved Cutler in Denver.

drowe
08-15-2009, 08:22 AM
Also, Cutler is not "just another player." He's the starting quarterback and one of the best in the league.

You think Peyton Manning doesn't walk around like he's king ****? Gimme a break.

so, is this what you'd be saying if it was Brett Favre (1 or 2 years ago) that said that exact thing?

now, be honest.

Gay Ork Wang
08-15-2009, 09:17 AM
Favre is an attention ***** though, so he is an execption

bearsfan_51
08-15-2009, 10:04 AM
so, is this what you'd be saying if it was Brett Favre (1 or 2 years ago) that said that exact thing?

now, be honest.
My issue with Favre has always been that the media portrays/ed him as this team player/great guy/wrangler jeans wearning cowboy, when in fact he's a complete prima-donna. I have NEVER said Cutler wasn't a prima-donna, what I said is that at the end of the day way too much has been made out of it because most quarterbacks act like their **** doesn't stink.

If the media was more fair with Favre my criticisms would have been signifnicantly less.

bearsfan_51
08-15-2009, 10:05 AM
I suggest you move on since you're in the wrong thread. You can't refute what I said so you're just putting your hands to your ears hoping that I'm wrong, but you'll see what I mean when he starts losing and choking like he always does and turning on the media. I can't wait for that day. Though your team does have my sympathies. You guys deserve better than Jeff George reincarnate.
http://jischinger.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/troll.jpg

bantx
08-15-2009, 10:57 AM
2 guesses.

You are a Broncos fan.

You loved Cutler in Denver.

He's a Bolt fan

And I doubt that.

<===3
08-15-2009, 12:36 PM
I want a lot of things. Doesn't mean I'll get them.

Xenos
08-15-2009, 07:35 PM
My issue with Favre has always been that the media portrays/ed him as this team player/great guy/wrangler jeans wearning cowboy, when in fact he's a complete prima-donna. I have NEVER said Cutler wasn't a prima-donna, what I said is that at the end of the day way too much has been made out of it because most quarterbacks act like their **** doesn't stink.

If the media was more fair with Favre my criticisms would have been signifnicantly less.

Hey I understand that you don't like what I said. I'm not against the Bears. I disliked what I've seen of Cutler long before he was your QB. I'm just saying that there is baggage with the guy, and it really almost has nothing to do with the whole thread title complaining about him wanting more say in the roster.

And it's not even the type of baggage where he's a prima donna but he's good at what he does. It's the type where he's a prima donna but he's so dang inconsistent in his play. His highs are incredible but his lows are downright infuriating. Think a slightly better Rex Grossman, only not as many problems stem necessarily from the deep throws.

bearsfan_51
08-15-2009, 11:49 PM
Yeah...just slightly better than Rex Grossman...good one.

regoob2
08-15-2009, 11:56 PM
I suggest you move on since you're in the wrong thread. You can't refute what I said so you're just putting your hands to your ears hoping that I'm wrong, but you'll see what I mean when he starts losing and choking like he always does and turning on the media. I can't wait for that day. Though your team does have my sympathies. You guys deserve better than Jeff George reincarnate.
Were you saying these negative things about him when he was on your team or were you calling him your franchise QB? Exactly so stop talking.

Thumper
08-15-2009, 11:57 PM
I think somebody said he was a Chargers fan... so he probably was.

Xenos
08-16-2009, 12:59 AM
Were you saying these negative things about him when he was on your team or were you calling him your franchise QB? Exactly so stop talking.
You do realize that I'm a Chargers fan right? I'm just happy that the Denver fans are beginning to realize what type of person he truly is. You'll come to realize that fact too.

Xenos
08-16-2009, 01:00 AM
Yeah...just slightly better than Rex Grossman...good one.
Well, until he stops locking onto one receiver and relying on his arm strength instead of his brain, he'll have that stigma in my mind.

Gay Ork Wang
08-16-2009, 05:25 AM
I think somebody said he was a Chargers fan... so he probably was.
that just means he hated Cutler from the get go cause he is from the broncos

S T R I N G
08-17-2009, 09:09 PM
BOURBONNAIS, Ill. -- One game into the preseason and already Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler has had to smooth things out with one of his wide receivers.

Cutler commented to reporters about wide receiver Devin Hester's failure to break up an interception on a pass that fell short Saturday night following the team's 27-20 preseason loss to Buffalo. His remark seemed to rub some people the wrong way.

"Devin is more of a go-get-it guy; he is not really a back shoulder or jump-up-and-get-it [guy]," Cutler said Saturday. "You learn from it.

"We made some mistakes. It's the first preseason game. Luckily enough, we have some time to correct them and keep going."

Hester admitted Monday that Cutler's comment upset him at first.

"But then he [Cutler] said he didn't say it," Hester said.

Hester said they're just getting to know each other.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4405998

Xenos
08-17-2009, 10:22 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4405998
I think I know what's wrong with Cutler. He doesn't know how to talk like a politician. He's too blunt and that's going to be another one of his problems. Even if it's natural for a QB to have a say in the roster, you don't need to actually say it like that. Likewise you can't come off like a jerk by implying that you don't have any blame to share in mistakes.

He also can't seem to accept blame for anything. It's always somebody else. Whether it's the Broncos' defense against the Chargers, or Hester for failing to break up the interception that was still poorly thrown.

San Diego Chicken
08-18-2009, 01:58 PM
Maybe Hester should demand a trade. After all, he was lied to.

Gay Ork Wang
08-19-2009, 04:47 AM
Maybe Hester should demand a trade. After all, he was lied to.
how was he lied to...why are people strating to talk out of their ass?

No problem: Some eyebrows were raised when Jay Cutler told reporters after throwing an interception on a jump ball in Buffalo that Devin Hester “is more of a go-get-it-guy” and “not really a back-shoulder, jump-up-and-get-it [guy].”

Hester conceded that he was initially offended by the comment. But he was fine with what Cutler said after the quarterback explained that he wasn’t blaming the receiver for the interception but merely explaining that the 5-11 Hester isn’t a 6-5 receiver who can catch every jump ball thrown in his direction.

“[Devin] knows Jay believes in him,” said offensive coordinator Ron Turner. “He knows Jay has a lot of confidence in him. He knows Jay’s going to throw the ball up to him when he gets one-on-one [coverage]. When we have an opportunity, we’re going to him. He knows that. I have confidence in him. I’m going to try to find ways to get him the ball and Jay’s going to go to him.”

Xenos
08-19-2009, 02:18 PM
how was he lied to...why are people strating to talk out of their ass?

Get used to these "misunderstandings." He tends to do it a lot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=440599

Turner said occasionally he might need to talk to Cutler about being critical of teammates, but not every time.

"We don't want to temper that too much," Turner said. "Jay is an emotional guy and he's a fiery guy and he's a fiery competitor. That's why he's an elite quarterback."

Cutler's candid remarks got him into trouble when he played for Denver last year. Cutler went 5-for-10 Saturday for 64 yards with the one interception.
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As for Cutler...do you think it's fair to whine about wanting to traded, then get upset when they do decide to think about trading you. Because remember, Cutler wanted to traded after Jeremy Bates was let go...way before McDaniels even entertained the NE trade for Cassell.

BuddyCHRIST
08-19-2009, 02:32 PM
Seems like people are fighting, don't wanna read 4 pages of it...

But i've always been a Cutler fan but he is souring me a little bit. While I think he had every right to be upset with Josh McDaniels, he still acted a bit like a brat. But there's alot of QB's who would have done the same thing so I can't blame him. But then talking trash about your old fans in Denver, saying something that could be taken as negative about your new teammates. He just needs to be quiet and play football for the rest of the year.

SFbear
08-19-2009, 04:29 PM
As for Cutler...do you think it's fair to whine about wanting to traded, then get upset when they do decide to think about trading you. Because remember, Cutler wanted to traded after Jeremy Bates was let go...way before McDaniels even entertained the NE trade for Cassell.

My theory was that Cutler became disgruntled after Bates and Shanahan were let go. Then he found out about the Cassell trade attempts and decided to exploit it to get his ticket out of Denver.

Its kind of like when you want to break up with a girl and so you blow up something small she did out of proportion. It makes you look overly sensitive but it saves you from admitting the real reason or that you have no real reason at all except that you just wanted out.

I think a lot of his statements are blown out of proportion by a hungry media looking ot stir up controversy but...

He just needs to be quiet and play football for the rest of the year.

Amen to this.

sweetness34
08-19-2009, 04:59 PM
He just needs to be quiet and play football for the rest of the year.

Yup. Granted I think the media has twisted words with Jay so far in some of his interviews, he's a guy that will say what is on his mind and that will ruffle feathers, especially in a fan base and a city that has never had a QB with his accolades and talent coming in. We've had guys like Rex and Kyle who were politically correct about everything, Jay isn't like that and it's apparent that the media isn't ready for it.

If you were asked what Jay meant in the quote about Hester without hearing ESPN and the other media outlets reporting that he threw Hester under the bus (which he didn't), you would not have drawn a conclusion that he was calling Devin out from that quote. It was much ado about nothing and it became a national story.

I'm not going to defend Jay on everything he says because there are going to be times when he opens his mouth and says something dumb, but lets just wait until that happens.

From all reports so far though he's been great in the locker room and he's shown very good leadership skills. I guarantee that Jay is going to be one of those players that I love to hate at times. But stirring up controversy over things like this is ridiculous. The only reason it became a story was because the media blew it up and made it newsworthy.

awfullyquiet
08-19-2009, 06:15 PM
where's philip rivers in all of this?

trash talking to a mirror?

Xenos
08-19-2009, 09:39 PM
where's philip rivers in all of this?

trash talking to a mirror?

Once again, someone other than SD fans bringing up Rivers for some reason. My guess is Rivers is probably laughing at the crotch grabber.