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GiantRutgersFan
03-09-2007, 02:15 PM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3490



Wow. Amazing if true lol. Tim Carter absolutely sucks so i am stoked about this one

hugegmenfan
03-09-2007, 02:23 PM
im not the biggest reuben droughns fan but tim carter was the worst player to ever put on a giants uni so for the value it was fantastic
i mean hes not the best complement to jacobs but hes ok- could we line him up @ FB even?

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2007, 02:32 PM
Damn steal for us.. Droughns will do better with a better oline, and for Carter thats a damn good deal for us.

GiantRutgersFan
03-09-2007, 02:35 PM
I like it. Droughns is a nice backup to Jacobs and take some carries. And we gave up nothing to get him (I would have cut Tim Carter anyways cause hes awful)

scottyboy
03-09-2007, 02:38 PM
we still will most likely draft a late. this is amazing. carter is jsut fast and has done virtually nothing for us, and we pick up a guy who is capable of starting. i'm not a big droughns fan, but wow what a stea,(especially with rhodes signing with oakland)

hugepunch
03-09-2007, 02:40 PM
whats rubes salary?

Jughead10
03-09-2007, 02:45 PM
3 million this year, 1.75 next year, and 2.75 in 2009.

hugepunch
03-09-2007, 02:47 PM
i like droughns maybe he can do something with a line that can block some.

ricky bobby
03-09-2007, 02:53 PM
Bringing in a veteran RB is not really a surprise. I prefer Droughns over Rhodes. Veteran RBs are better blockers than younger players, and are more reliable in general. Who knows, maybe this just means Finn is on his way out? Just a thought.

Damix
03-09-2007, 03:15 PM
Crap for crap is what I see in this deal

D-Unit
03-09-2007, 03:25 PM
How does this affect your draft plans? Does that move RB a day 1 need to a day 2 need? If so, I think this was a bad move for you guys.

Forenci
03-09-2007, 03:26 PM
Crap for crap is what I see in this deal

I disagree. Crap (Carter) for Mediocracy (Droughns). If this is true, which it may very well be, I think anyone who doubted Reese should drop down and begin the worshipping. If so, we truly ended up with a steal. Carter was likely going to be cut, so to actually get an experienced guy to spell Jacobs is a great win for us.

I don't mind Droughn at all. This could even allow us to draft a running back in the fifth or later round. A win for the Giants.

hugegmenfan
03-09-2007, 03:28 PM
it was just confirmed by ESPN-its official

bearsfan_51
03-09-2007, 03:32 PM
You want to worship a guy because he traded for a runningback that would struggle to make most NFL rosters? Cleveland didn't want him. Think about that.

hugepunch
03-09-2007, 03:36 PM
You want to worship a guy because he traded for a runningback that would struggle to make most NFL rosters? Cleveland didn't want him. Think about that.there drafting adrian peterson, rubes will be fine as the spell.

ricky bobby
03-09-2007, 03:37 PM
You want to worship a guy because he traded for a runningback that would struggle to make most NFL rosters? Cleveland didn't want him. Think about that.

You don't know how badly we wanted Carter to get cut a year ago.

hugepunch
03-09-2007, 03:38 PM
How does this affect your draft plans? Does that move RB a day 1 need to a day 2 need? If so, I think this was a bad move for you guys.why? now we can draft d# in round 2 jacobs is going to be fine as our rb. so id say rb will be a day 2 need.

Number 10
03-09-2007, 03:45 PM
You want to worship a guy because he traded for a runningback that would struggle to make most NFL rosters? Cleveland didn't want him. Think about that.


Where is someone worshipping Droughns?

We got rid of a WR that may have been cut himself and we got a good backup that is not overpaid. We are a better football team now than we were this morning....thats all there is to it. Not by a big margin, but this was a decent move and by no means was this a wrong move.

bearsfan_51
03-09-2007, 03:48 PM
Where is someone worshipping Droughns?
Said ugly sig guy: If this is true, which it may very well be, I think anyone who doubted Reese should drop down and begin the worshipping.

D-Unit
03-09-2007, 03:48 PM
why? now we can draft d# in round 2 jacobs is going to be fine as our rb. so id say rb will be a day 2 need.
I'm lost. What is d#?

hugepunch
03-09-2007, 03:50 PM
its a fence haha

-black
03-09-2007, 03:52 PM
I'm lost. What is d#?



defense aka D Fence

BigBlue58KiperIII
03-09-2007, 03:54 PM
Very good trade from our perspective. I have been yelling about Carter forever so to be able to deal him for a back that was a starter last year, who will be a nice complement to BJ is great. He is a capabe, experiened back and the most important thing is that we didnt have to give up any picks for him and were able to get rid of a WR who got way too many chances on our team IMO. This now gives Moss and other WR a greater chance to establish themselves and most likely means we will add another wideout in the draft. There is no negative in this move for the Giants

Forenci
03-09-2007, 03:57 PM
You don't know how badly we wanted Carter to get cut a year ago.

Exactly. I meant it as more of a, "Reese, thank you getting rid of Tim Carter and actually getting someone who helps our team out a bit." as opposed to, "Great job getting a running back who hasn't done that much for an amazing player!".

eacantdraft
03-09-2007, 04:13 PM
This is a trade of "I will take your garbage if you take mine."

The Giants come out slightly ahead. Not by much. Rueben Drones is not a breakway back and most likely will average less than 4.0 per carry. He is better than Tim Carter, but Tim Lewis could have played better than Tim Carter.

bigbluedefense
03-09-2007, 05:50 PM
You want to worship a guy because he traded for a runningback that would struggle to make most NFL rosters? Cleveland didn't want him. Think about that.

Thank you. Don't get excited about this guys. We traded crap for crap. Its just resorted and packaged with a new label. But its still crap. We still need a day 2 RB.

We still come out slightly ahead considering Carter wouldve probably gotten cut. But by no means does this fill a "need". It was beneficial, but we still need a day 2 RB.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2007, 06:06 PM
Thank you. Don't get excited about this guys. We traded crap for crap. Its just resorted and packaged with a new label. But its still crap. We still need a day 2 RB.

We still come out slightly ahead considering Carter wouldve probably gotten cut. But by no means does this fill a "need". It was beneficial, but we still need a day 2 RB.

I disagree and agree.. I think it's a great move on Reese's part.. Cost efficient move, and we keep all our picks. And considering their, the browns situation, I think RD will do better for us... Their team sucks, their oline sucks, lost Bentley, and Fry is a young qb. Now that play 3 top teams in Pittsburgh, Ravens, and Bengals that can do well against the Browns, more often than naught.

Good move, and factor in versatility, for once RD played on special teams, returning kickoffs, and played FB as well at one point. So sticking with Reese's love for versatility, I think this is a great move in terms of a good fit for us.

I also believe a 2nd day pick can be good, though now I'd wait and see if anyone of the undrafted FAs can make an impact and leave that "rb pick" for a wr or defensive player.

bigbluedefense
03-09-2007, 06:15 PM
I disagree and agree.. I think it's a great move on Reese's part.. Cost efficient move, and we keep all our picks. And considering their, the browns situation, I think RD will do better for us... Their team sucks, their oline sucks, lost Bentley, and Fry is a young qb. Now that play 3 top teams in Pittsburgh, Ravens, and Bengals that can do well against the Browns, more often than naught.

Good move, and factor in versatility, for once RD played on special teams, returning kickoffs, and played FB as well at one point. So sticking with Reese's love for versatility, I think this is a great move in terms of a good fit for us.

I also believe a 2nd day pick can be good, though now I'd wait and see if anyone of the undrafted FAs can make an impact and leave that "rb pick" for a wr or defensive player.

It has potential to work great, but I wouldn't put all our eggs in this one basket.

Remember, he got some miles on him, and he's only getting older. He's not really a threat in the pass game either.

If he pans out, great, Im all for it. But we still need a day 2 RB (insert Darius Walker). This should not be a valid reason to not address RB in the draft. I hope Reese isn't thinking that way.

hugegmenfan
03-09-2007, 06:21 PM
It has potential to work great, but I wouldn't put all our eggs in this one basket.

Remember, he got some miles on him, and he's only getting older. He's not really a threat in the pass game either.

If he pans out, great, Im all for it. But we still need a day 2 RB (insert Darius Walker). This should not be a valid reason to not address RB in the draft. I hope Reese isn't thinking that way.

i agree- i think this move guarentees we dont take HB 1st day and most def not in the 1st 2 rounds
i personally think this was a fabulous move by reese really- we didnt give up anything if u think bout it, carter blows, and rather than signing some 1 as a FA its very price effiecent as well
Droughns ran for 1500 yards for the broncos and 1200+ for the browns 2 years ago so we know he is capable in different systems

What would u guys think of pluggin him in @ FB?

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2007, 06:22 PM
It has potential to work great, but I wouldn't put all our eggs in this one basket.

Remember, he got some miles on him, and he's only getting older. He's not really a threat in the pass game either.

If he pans out, great, Im all for it. But we still need a day 2 RB (insert Darius Walker). This should not be a valid reason to not address RB in the draft. I hope Reese isn't thinking that way.


True, but on the same token, I wouldnt cast him off either..He is not a threat in the passing game, but thats what makes it better for us. If teams dont suspect a pass to him it can catch them by suprise. Also lets not forget, if the mentality of 2 battering rams wearing a team down is accurate, than perhaps as the game goes on his presence even in the passing game will become significant.

I am not impressed with Walker at all.. I'd take Booker with much better hands than him any day. Even in the all star skills competition they were ripping booker and his hands but being natural even snagging it out of the air. Factor in the good praise for Booker, and how he wants to play in NY, and replacement for Barber, I'd lean towards him.

But that's neither here or there, I still love this move, from a logistical standpoint, and we can go the undrafted FA route as well too.

dhoe20
03-09-2007, 06:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY5POA4lp8Y
lol

The Giants have a better o-line than the Browns, so I'm sure he'd do alright here. RD is only about 28-29 so he doesn't have that many miles on him.We're not going to be asking for much for him. Hopefully this'll stop people from giving us Kenny Irons in the 2nd round.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-09-2007, 06:25 PM
i agree- i think this move guarentees we dont take HB 1st day and most def not in the 1st 2 rounds
i personally think this was a fabulous move by reese really- we didnt give up anything if u think bout it, carter blows, and rather than signing some 1 as a FA its very price effiecent as well
Droughns ran for 1500 yards for the broncos and 1200+ for the browns 2 years ago so we know he is capable in different systems

What would u guys think of pluggin him in @ FB?

I actually was thinking that.. If he can still run block, he adds more value than Finn. In fact I was talking to a buddy a while ago, and was saying as a joke if we drafted Brian L. than we'd have a battering ram, if we put him as FB, and ran both RD and Jacobs.. Also, BL would supply a threat out of the backfield as well. Player utilization in terms of BL, as a FB on one play, and FB on the next with RD would be creative.

But overall I'd want to see him play a pre season game as a RB and as a FB with jacobs to see the difference.

LSUALUM99
03-09-2007, 07:18 PM
Just a Cowboys' fans perspective. I think everyone on this board is underestimating RD. I think he's better than several starting backs in the NFL. I also think he makes alot of sense from not only a dollar perspective, but also from an ability to perform standpoint.

How many teams in the NFL have a backup RB who is not OVER THE HILL and also has multiple 1000 yard seasons?

You guys came out ahead on this one.

bigbluedefense
03-09-2007, 07:25 PM
Just a Cowboys' fans perspective. I think everyone on this board is underestimating RD. I think he's better than several starting backs in the NFL. I also think he makes alot of sense from not only a dollar perspective, but also from an ability to perform standpoint.

How many teams in the NFL have a backup RB who is not OVER THE HILL and also has multiple 1000 yard seasons?

You guys came out ahead on this one.

Well, my personal concerns as a fan are:

1. He doesn't provide anything in the pass game, which is ultimately what we need

2. He has a history of breaking down later in the season when it matters the most. Of course he won't have that problem with us because of the reduced carries, but its still a possibility.

I like the trade, I just don't want us to assume that we don't need a day 2 RB anymore. We could use a passing down specialist like a Booker or Darius Walker.

Crickett
03-09-2007, 07:25 PM
im not the biggest reuben droughns fan but tim carter was the worst player to ever put on a giants uni so for the value it was fantastic

Even worse than Ron Dixon?

bigbluedefense
03-09-2007, 07:30 PM
Even worse than Ron Dixon?

I still have Dave Brown nightmares.

scottyboy
03-09-2007, 07:41 PM
i still see this as a win-win situation. RD isnt real expensive, we get him and lose carter when i had a feeling we would cut carter anyway. and really if he doesnt play too well then oh well. he's not our starter and we invested very little in him. we kept our picks, and got a guy who has rushed for over 1,000 yeards in a season as our backup good move

Number 10
03-09-2007, 08:30 PM
Well, my personal concerns as a fan are:

1. He doesn't provide anything in the pass game, which is ultimately what we need

2. He has a history of breaking down later in the season when it matters the most. Of course he won't have that problem with us because of the reduced carries, but its still a possibility.

I like the trade, I just don't want us to assume that we don't need a day 2 RB anymore. We could use a passing down specialist like a Booker or Darius Walker.

Woohhhhh BBD you got this one wrong.

Droughns is an EXCELLENT receiver out of the backfield.

bigbluedefense
03-09-2007, 08:35 PM
Woohhhhh BBD you got this one wrong.

Droughns is an EXCELLENT receiver out of the backfield.

I will eat crow.

The more I read on him, and the more homework I do, the more I like this trade.

I had the impression that he was a thumper and nothing more. I was wrong.

I think it was a fair trade for both teams, and we both have something that helps our teams.

The best part about this trade is the fact that we got him for absolutely nothing. Carter wouldn't pan out here. If he does there, congrats, but it wasn't working here.

Im liking this Reese guy. So far so good.

Number 10
03-09-2007, 08:42 PM
I will eat crow.

The more I read on him, and the more homework I do, the more I like this trade.

I had the impression that he was a thumper and nothing more. I was wrong.

I think it was a fair trade for both teams, and we both have something that helps our teams.

The best part about this trade is the fact that we got him for absolutely nothing. Carter wouldn't pan out here. If he does there, congrats, but it wasn't working here.

Im liking this Reese guy. So far so good.

Don't let the guy who thinks he knows a thing about Droughns who says he could not make most NFL rosters fool you. Droughns, while not a great starting RB, is a very forimidable backup that will bring us a versatile back to use on 3rd downs that will not be running situations.

Annnd, even though he does not have top tier speed, he was been used as a return man pretty effectively.

LSUALUM99
03-09-2007, 08:45 PM
Woohhhhh BBD you got this one wrong.

Droughns is an EXCELLENT receiver out of the backfield.


Agreed. Droughns got a bad rap because he didn't want to run behind that line in Cleveland. Who has succeeded?

It is no coincidence that they (Cleveland) can't find a RB, when it's the easiest position to fill in the NFL. Their offense is terrible and their line is to blame.

bigbluedefense
03-09-2007, 08:55 PM
Do you think its possible to put him at FB and run split back looks every now and then? It would confuse the hell out of defenses if we can pull it off.

BigBlue58KiperIII
03-09-2007, 09:06 PM
The guy ran for over 1000 yards in Cleveland when i hadnt been done in about 20 years. he was a third round pick so its not like he didnt have skills coming out, injuries held him back early in his career. The bottom line is that we just got a RB who was a starter the last 2 seasons on a terrible tema yet still put up good numbers. He is a capable receiver out of the backfield which will help if Jacobs doesnt progress in that area. There is no way you could call this trade crap for crap or a wash either. We got rid of a injury-prone receiver with no hands and got a starting caliber back, not a great back, who will help BJ transition into the starters role.

Thank God, this means we wont get Duckett, that would have been a complete waste of money.

Number 10
03-09-2007, 09:13 PM
Do you think its possible to put him at FB and run split back looks every now and then? It would confuse the hell out of defenses if we can pull it off.

I don't see that happening. He lost a bunch of weight when he converted and I don't see him putting it back on. I think he is strictly our backup RB...we may see a duo of Jacobs and Droughns in the backfield at the same time because they are both great lead blockers as well as solid runners.

Slasher28
03-10-2007, 01:21 PM
I'd like either way, i guess this is an ok move knowing that our offensive line is average and we lost our starting LT, so now manning gets better protection in the backfield. I think that Jim Finn should not be out FB, he catches the ball and goes backward, his blocks our sometimes good, but I think If we take the formation that dallas and Phili run, because they have two good RB's and slot both jacobs and droghns in than it will be hard to take them down and they'll easily wear out the defense. I'd still like to see the giants try to get lorenzo booker or Darius walker in rounds 3 or 4

grizmoandchodey
03-11-2007, 09:49 AM
Not Walker. Bad workout and bad speed. 4.6 in the 40. He won't have any skill in the nfl with him being undersized and all. This trade did work out for the giants though because what did tim carter do for the giants? Nothing. Atleast we can get production out of Reuben Droughns. He was a very skilled back in Denver but the line in Clevend wasn't good at all. He also brings a lot of dimensions to the run game. You can have a split back with RD or BJ. Plus I bet Jacobs can take as a FB sometimes because of his size. Thpugh this trade was alright, i would've definitely liked to see Willis McGahee in a giants uniform come the 2007 season

hugegmenfan
03-11-2007, 10:04 AM
Not Walker. Bad workout and bad speed. 4.6 in the 40. He won't have any skill in the nfl with him being undersized and all. This trade did work out for the giants though because what did tim carter do for the giants? Nothing. Atleast we can get production out of Reuben Droughns. He was a very skilled back in Denver but the line in Clevend wasn't good at all. He also brings a lot of dimensions to the run game. You can have a split back with RD or BJ. Plus I bet Jacobs can take as a FB sometimes because of his size. Thpugh this trade was alright, i would've definitely liked to see Willis McGahee in a giants uniform come the 2007 season

haha u stole my sig

scottyboy
03-11-2007, 10:23 AM
i like the idea of RD and jacobs in the backfield on goal line situations and 3rd/4th and shorts. every time it was just plow ahead to jacobs, now we could fool some teams

bigbluedefense
03-11-2007, 10:35 AM
I initially wanted a DeShawn Wynn type of backup RB, but now that we got Droughns, we really need to get a skatback.

The guys on my list are in this order:

Lorenzo Booker
Darius Walker
Garrett Wolffe

Im very big on Garrett Wolffe. He can be a late round gem. I think he can be converted into a WR/RB hybrid. Use him in a similar fashion to how NO uses Bush, and how Carolina uses Steve Smith. We can use him on reverses, use him out of the backfield on 3rd down, line him up at WR.

He has great hands, can stop and cut on a dime, and great speed, he can work in a hybrid role. And he's tough, he plays much bigger than he is, so if you limit him to RB in 3rd and long situations, or spread situations, I think he can be very effective.

For a 6th rounder, why not? He would be a project, but a worthy one that late in the draft.

scottyboy
03-11-2007, 10:41 AM
ive even seen wolfe projected to go undrafted!!! i like this idea of him on the g-men. versatility for us. a great 6th,7th roud pick up

Slasher28
03-11-2007, 11:37 AM
i would've definitely liked to see Willis McGahee in a giants uniform come the 2007 season

That's what we should've done with our money and i'd give up a couple of 3rd round draft picks for him

Slasher28
03-11-2007, 11:39 AM
I initially wanted a DeShawn Wynn type of backup RB, but now that we got Droughns, we really need to get a skatback.

The guys on my list are in this order:

Lorenzo Booker
Darius Walker
Garrett Wolffe

Im very big on Garrett Wolffe. He can be a late round gem. I think he can be converted into a WR/RB hybrid. Use him in a similar fashion to how NO uses Bush, and how Carolina uses Steve Smith. We can use him on reverses, use him out of the backfield on 3rd down, line him up at WR.

He has great hands, can stop and cut on a dime, and great speed, he can work in a hybrid role. And he's tough, he plays much bigger than he is, so if you limit him to RB in 3rd and long situations, or spread situations, I think he can be very effective.

For a 6th rounder, why not? He would be a project, but a worthy one that late in the draft.

for us
Garrett Wolffe=Sinorice Moss
They are very similar and moss is probably better

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 12:01 PM
Giants | Team looking to soften Droughns' roster bonus
Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:24:59 -0800

Vinny DiTrani, of The Bergen Record, reports the New York Giants are looking to soften RB Reuben Droughns' $1.75 million roster bonus due March 17.

http://www.kffl.com/team/26/nfl

bigbluedefense
03-11-2007, 12:50 PM
for us
Garrett Wolffe=Sinorice Moss
They are very similar and moss is probably better

Garrett Wolfe is alot tougher than Moss. Moss is faster, but now way as strong, and could be too frail to really hack it in the NFL. He won't get off the press unless he hits the weight room. He provides nothing up the middle. Right now, he's simply way too small.

Wolffe, while small as well, is very strong for his size, plays bigger than his size, and is not affraid of contact. With his history at RB, if you line him up at WR and run reverses with him, he'll probably have more success than Sinorice.

He provides a presence in the backfield in the pass game, something that Sinorice can't do. Sinorice is strictly a WR.

I think both are equal in screen pass ability.

Sinorice is the more polished WR, but I think with development, Wolffe can be just as good. Don't let Sinorice's draft position fool you. Just because he was a round 2 WR, doesn't instantly mean that he has better skills than Wolffe.

I think its a worthy gamble that late in the draft. He can provide an insurance policy behind Moss, he can be a decent #4 receiver, and he can provide some change of pace in the backfield. He'd be a great 3rd and long RB out of the backfield.

If he's undrafted, or there in the 7th, we have nothing to lose. Might as well give him a chance. He's your typical example of a baller. He might not have the size etc, but get him on the field and he'll make plays. I have no problem going after a guy like him in the 6th, 7th, or even undrafted FA list.

Forenci
03-11-2007, 01:09 PM
I initially wanted a DeShawn Wynn type of backup RB, but now that we got Droughns, we really need to get a skatback.

The guys on my list are in this order:

Lorenzo Booker
Darius Walker
Garrett Wolffe

Im very big on Garrett Wolffe. He can be a late round gem. I think he can be converted into a WR/RB hybrid. Use him in a similar fashion to how NO uses Bush, and how Carolina uses Steve Smith. We can use him on reverses, use him out of the backfield on 3rd down, line him up at WR.

He has great hands, can stop and cut on a dime, and great speed, he can work in a hybrid role. And he's tough, he plays much bigger than he is, so if you limit him to RB in 3rd and long situations, or spread situations, I think he can be very effective.

For a 6th rounder, why not? He would be a project, but a worthy one that late in the draft.

Indeed, I've been pretty big on him, but can he catch? I know led the NCAA in rushing, but I'm not sure of his receiving ability. Suppose it wouldn't hurt to check the stats.

Unsure of his ability to play on Special Teams, because he injured at the Senior Bowl. One of the reasons why he dropped so much actually. If he could return kicks for us too, would be worth a 6th round pick.

bigbluedefense
03-11-2007, 01:12 PM
Indeed, I've been pretty big on him, but can he catch? I know led the NCAA in rushing, but I'm not sure of his receiving ability. Suppose it wouldn't hurt to check the stats.

Unsure of his ability to play on Special Teams, because he injured at the Senior Bowl. One of the reasons why he dropped so much actually. If he could return kicks for us too, would be worth a 6th round pick.

He doesn't have much history returning kicks. From what Ive seen, he has solid hands. We'll get a much better idea of his abilities once you get him in training camp. I think for a late pick like a 6th or 7th, Id be willing to take the gamble on him. I think the raw potential is there, it just has to be remolded.

A good coach can mold him and harnish his potential. Even if that potential is strictly as a situational player. Thats fine with me for that late of a pick anyway.

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 01:21 PM
im really looking forward to this season i think everyone around the league forgets how much talent we have. we were so depleted last year with injurys its not even funny. i tihnk most giant fans agree our season depends on eli and how far he can take us. but back on topic i cant wait to see sinorice play hes got great hands great burst and quickness with good speed. i think he can be a good receiver if we give him the chance. maybe not as good as santana but he can be good.

bigbluedefense
03-11-2007, 01:24 PM
im really looking forward to this season i think everyone around the league forgets how much talent we have. we were so depleted last year with injurys its not even funny. i tihnk most giant fans agree our season depends on eli and how far he can take us. but back on topic i cant wait to see sinorice play hes got great hands great burst and quickness with good speed. i think he can be a good receiver if we give him the chance. maybe not as good as santana but he can be good.

I think alot of people (Giant fans included) are underrating our in house talent. We have guys who can make plays, we just have to give them a shot.

How can we write off Wilkinson after what was essentially his rookie year learning a new position? How can we write off Chase when all he does is make plays when he's on the field?

Our dline can be great if our DEs don't get hit with another atomic bomb. We have a new system that will use Pierce to his strengths, and our defensive talent as a whole to its strengths.

Offensively we will go back to the Giant way: the power run game. Its about time. So that could open up some things. Hopefully Gilbride adjusts the playbook (doubt it).

So I wouldn't write us off just yet. The Giants are notorious for overachieving in years where we're written off, and underachieving in years where we're expected to play well.

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 01:35 PM
I think alot of people (Giant fans included) are underrating our in house talent. We have guys who can make plays, we just have to give them a shot.

How can we write off Wilkinson after what was essentially his rookie year learning a new position? How can we write off Chase when all he does is make plays when he's on the field?

Our dline can be great if our DEs don't get hit with another atomic bomb. We have a new system that will use Pierce to his strengths, and our defensive talent as a whole to its strengths.

Offensively we will go back to the Giant way: the power run game. Its about time. So that could open up some things. Hopefully Gilbride adjusts the playbook (doubt it).

So I wouldn't write us off just yet. The Giants are notorious for overachieving in years where we're written off, and underachieving in years where we're expected to play well.yea we have very good in house talent hopefully they get there shot this year. im real pumped with spags running the d its time for big blue to bring back our trademark. power-football. run down your f'n throat 30 times a game football. i cant wait for jacobs to showcase his talent.

bigbluedefense
03-11-2007, 02:08 PM
yea we have very good in house talent hopefully they get there shot this year. im real pumped with spags running the d its time for big blue to bring back our trademark. power-football. run down your f'n throat 30 times a game football. i cant wait for jacobs to showcase his talent.

Hopefully we commit to the run game that way. But with Coughlin, I doubt it. We're still gonna be an Air Coryell team. We need to become a more run oriented team, but I just don't see Coughlin doing that. He hasn't adjusted in 3 years. He probably won't ever change.

niu007
03-11-2007, 04:13 PM
He doesn't have much history returning kicks. From what Ive seen, he has solid hands. We'll get a much better idea of his abilities once you get him in training camp. I think for a late pick like a 6th or 7th, Id be willing to take the gamble on him. I think the raw potential is there, it just has to be remolded.

A good coach can mold him and harnish his potential. Even if that potential is strictly as a situational player. Thats fine with me for that late of a pick anyway.

I've seen Wolfe play a lot, since i went to NIU. He has solid hands out of the backfield, I think he's caught about 20 passes each of the last 2 years. I've only seen him drop a couple, and those were on plays he was about to get nailed for a loss after he caught it, so it's prolly just as well he didn't. I've seen him make a couple of one-hand grabs too. Normally he's catching softer passes, not ones where the QB is rifling the ball in there like they do to receivers, so I don't know how good he is at those. He returned a few kicks early on before he became a starter but I don't know how he'll do there. He's fast, but most kick returners are faster, I think. Hopefully he'll be able to contribute there. I'd like to see him get some touches, he's fun to watch. I think he'd be a good pick up in the 6th or 7th round.