What Team Has the Best Receivers?

[Thumper]

What team in the NFC East has the best receivers?

Eagles:

DeSean Jackson
Kevin Curtis
Jason Avant
Jeremy Maclin
Reggie Brown
Hank Baskett
Brandon Gibson


Giants:

Steve Smith
Domenik Hixon
Ramses Barden
Hakeem Nicks
Sinorice Moss
Mario Manningham
Derek Hagan
David Tyree


Redskins:

Santana Moss
Antwan Randle-El
Devin Thomas
Malcolm Kelly
DJ Hackett
Marko Mitchell


Cowboys:

Roy Williams
Sam Hurd
Miles Austin
Patrick Crayton
Isaiah Stanbeck
Willie Reed
Kevin Ogletree


What team has the best receivers?

[D-Unit]

For this year only?

[scottyboy]

wow, what a ****** WR division we are. For the best division in the NFL, it's just downright gross how bad/young/raw those WR corps are

[Thumper]

For this year only?

Yes. Who would you take this year?

[Giantsfan1080]

I never realized how bad the WR's are in this division untill it what was typed out like that. There is certainly a lot of upside but for this year I'm not sure.

[sweetness34]

wow, what a ****** WR division we are. For the best division in the NFL, it's just downright gross how bad/young/raw those WR corps are

Yea but Witten, Boss, and Cooley are studly TE's.

[D-Unit]

I'm going with the Cowboys for "right now". The Eagles and Giants area too inexperienced and the Redskins are just blah. The Eagles get the edge on upside. Giants get the edge on depth and the Redskins get the edge on... on... hmm.... well, if Colt starts it won't matter who the WRs, let's just put it that way. :p

But actually if you look at the complete picture... Dallas by far with Witten, Bennett and the best pass catching RB unit.

[Thumper]

I'm going with the Cowboys for "right now". The Eagles and Giants area too inexperienced and the Redskins are just blah. The Eagles get the edge on upside. Giants get the edge on depth and the Redskins get the edge on... on... hmm.... well, if Colt starts it won't matter who the WRs, let's just put it that way. :p

But actually if you look at the complete picture... Dallas by far with Witten, Bennett and the best pass catching RB unit.

Brian Westbrook, Shady McCoy and Leonard Weaver say HI!

Oh and I personally think that Dallas has the worst receivers in the division.

[D-Unit]

Brian Westbrook, Shady McCoy and Leonard Weaver say HI!

Oh and I personally think that Dallas has the worst receivers in the division.
Yeah, and Marion Barber, Felix Jones and Tashard choice say Go Home...and Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Choice had 21 receptions alone... in just 7 games. Pro-rate it... he alone ain't too far behind. Westbrook, arguably your best receiver on the team the last few years had 54 all of last season. Don't let your homerism blind you.

How do you justify Dallas having the worst receivers in the division? Sig bet that they don't finish last in receiving yards and TDs?

Did you want to create this thread because you thought the Eagles had the best? LOL. So sad.

Next, I think I'll create one for who has the best TEs in the division. Just to boost my ego. LOL.

[scottyboy]

well personally I think the Skins have the best WR in the division in Santana Moss. He's become very under-rated and I really love this guy as a player.

oh, and I'm gonna go make a best DL/pass rusher thread, brb!

[Thumper]

Yeah, and Marion Barber, Felix Jones and Tashard choice say Go Home...and Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Choice had 21 receptions alone... in just 7 games. Pro-rate it... he alone ain't too far behind. Westbrook, arguably your best receiver on the team the last few years had 54 all of last season. Don't let your homerism blind you.

I don't think I'm the one blinded by homerism. Even if you extrapolate those numbers, that is 3 receptions a game which would be 48 receptions on the year and guess what? 48 is less than Brian Westbrook's 54 receptions that he put up in 14 games while being injured for the entire season. Come tell me when Choice gets 90 receptions in a season. So take off those blue and silver shades. And Felix Jones caught a grand total of 2 passes last season in 6 games. Congrats you have one player out of the backfield who can challenge Brian Westbrook on a down year in Marion Barber. LeSean McCoy had 66 receptions in 2 years in college, which is much better than Choices' 41 in 4 years of college and Felix Jones' 39 receptions in 3 years. Not to mention Leonard Weaver has caught 59 passes in the past 2 years. Don't let blind homerism blind you.

How do you justify Dallas having the worst receivers in the division? Sig bet that they don't finish last in receiving yards and TDs?

Well IMO they have the least amount of talent in their wide receiving core, but I don't think they'll be statistically worse, I think that honor will go to Washington.

Did you want to create this thread because you thought the Eagles had the best? LOL. So sad.

No, I actually though there would be more of a debate. I thought the Roy Williams supporters would come out, the whole Santana Moss > DeSean Jackson and the two young receivers debate would get the Redskins some votes and I thought that some Giants fans would at least say they have the best considering they have 5 receivers taken in the first 4 rounds of the draft and a lot of people really think that Nicks is better than Maclin. I thought there would be more of a debate but whatever, I'm happy with the results.

Next, I think I'll create one for who has the best TEs in the division. Just to boost my ego. LOL.

Go for it.

[Sniper]

How do you justify Dallas having the worst receivers in the division? Sig bet that they don't finish last in receiving yards and TDs?

With Garrett calling the plays, there's no way that happens unless he realizes he needs to run the ball.

[Sniper]

I'm going with the Cowboys for "right now".

To play Eagles' Advocate, what did Roy Williams do last year to warrant being ahead of DeSean Jackson? Austin ahead of Avant? Hurd above anyone? Give me your logic for having the Cowboys ahead.

[D-Unit]

I don't think I'm the one blinded by homerism. Even if you extrapolate those numbers, that is 3 receptions a game which would be 48 receptions on the year and guess what? 48 is less than Brian Westbrook's 54 receptions that he put up in 14 games while being injured for the entire season. Come tell me when Choice gets 90 receptions in a season. So take off those blue and silver shades. And Felix Jones caught a grand total of 2 passes last season in 6 games. Congrats you have one player out of the backfield who can challenge Brian Westbrook on a down year in Marion Barber. LeSean McCoy had 66 receptions in 2 years in college, which is much better than Choices' 41 in 4 years of college and Felix Jones' 39 receptions in 3 years. Not to mention Leonard Weaver has caught 59 passes in the past 2 years. Don't let blind homerism blind you.

So you're telling me that because 48 is less than 54 that there is a big difference??? I think my point to you went way over your head.

We all know Choice is not projected to stack up to Westbrook's receiving stats on a whole season. So don't assume I'm looking at it from the perspective that Choice is going to get 90 receptions. I'm talking from the standpoint that he has the hands and ability to be a receiving threat from the backfield... and the difference between him (our 3rd string RB) and Westbrook (your 1st string RB) as far as being a receiver out of the backfield is not a far fetched idea, but rather pretty close.

Secondly, your justification on McCoy's college stats is just laughable. A lot depends on system/scheme on how the player is used. Please use wise logic.



Well IMO they have the least amount of talent in their wide receiving core, but I don't think they'll be statistically worse, I think that honor will go to Washington.
So basically, you have nothing to base your opinion on?


No, I actually though there would be more of a debate. I thought the Roy Williams supporters would come out, the whole Santana Moss > DeSean Jackson and the two young receivers debate would get the Redskins some votes and I thought that some Giants fans would at least say they have the best considering they have 5 receivers taken in the first 4 rounds of the draft and a lot of people really think that Nicks is better than Maclin. I thought there would be more of a debate but whatever, I'm happy with the results.
Don't fool yourself. A lot is based off projection, not fact. Fact is, Roy has proven and accomplished more than Desean. Crayton has proven and accomplished more than Maclin. Maclin should exceed or at least duplicate Crayton's numbers due to the fact there are less options for McNabb than Romo has, but probably won't. Hurd is a beast who will soon make a mark that will open up some eyes and Austin showed last year that he is a competent backup and deep threat option. This isn't a star studded line up, but what I said before and I'll say again, is that the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. ...and when you compliment them with the TEs and RBs, you'll get a more complete picture. To say that you won anything by saying your WR unit is the best is laughable. Don't you think?


Go for it.
That's ok. I don't need to.

[D-Unit]

To play Eagles' Advocate, what did Roy Williams do last year to warrant being ahead of DeSean Jackson? Austin ahead of Avant? Hurd above anyone? Give me your logic for having the Cowboys ahead.
What do you want me to say? That Roy coming in midseason to a new team, playing with a new QB, new teammates, new scheme, new coaches... being the 3rd option behind TO and Witten was supposed to have better statistics than a guy who was with the Eagles from training camp, took over as the go to WR and got most of his yards off mid to deep passes?

Roy has been a true #1 in this league. He's a proven commodity. He's bigger, tougher to take down, is a better red zone target and is entering his prime. Talent wise, is there really a question between the two? Jackson's role in the offense is limited. With Roy, there is no limit.

If Roy was an Eagle, your tune would be different. You're the biggest homer of them all.

[Sniper]

If Roy was an Eagle, your tune would be different. You're the biggest homer of them all.

Nonsense. I didn't even finish top 10 in the biggest homer voting! :D

[Sniper]

What do you want me to say? That Roy coming in midseason to a new team, playing with a new QB, new teammates, new scheme, new coaches... being the 3rd option behind TO and Witten was supposed to have better statistics than a guy who was with the Eagles from training camp, took over as the go to WR and got most of his yards off mid to deep passes?

Roy has been a true #1 in this league. He's a proven commodity. He's bigger, tougher to take down, is a better red zone target and is entering his prime. Talent wise, is there really a question between the two? Jackson's role in the offense is limited. With Roy, there is no limit.

If Roy was an Eagle, your tune would be different. You're the biggest homer of them all.

I'm just sayin', but a "true #1" should probably outproduce a rookie that weighs 170 lbs. I'm sorry, but one 1,000 yard season in five seasons doesn't tell me he's a true #1.

[sweetness34]

Roy's problem has always been his lack of work ethic on the field and his attitude. I don't care if you play for a **** team, the least you can do is go out and bust your ass each week. Andre Johnson has played on a dogshit team his entire career yet he puts up elite numbers with David Carr, Sage Rosenfels, and Matt Schaub throwing to him. The man just goes out there and does his job.

Roy has #1 WR talent, but not #1 work ethic. Who knows maybe he'll change his tune now that he has talent around him now but I don't consider Roy to be a #1 WR because he is is flat out lazy.

[D-Unit]

Roy's problem has always been his lack of work ethic on the field and his attitude. I don't care if you play for a **** team, the least you can do is go out and bust your ass each week. Andre Johnson has played on a dogshit team his entire career yet he puts up elite numbers with David Carr, Sage Rosenfels, and Matt Schaub throwing to him. The man just goes out there and does his job.

Roy has #1 WR talent, but not #1 work ethic. Who knows maybe he'll change his tune now that he has talent around him now but I don't consider Roy to be a #1 WR because he is is flat out lazy.
In all honesty, I used to have the same opinion. But this is the first training camp that he's been a Cowboy and he doesn't seem lazy by any report. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

But my problem with him is that he complains when he doesn't get the ball. ...and then I've seen him give up and not play hard. So that's what I worry about going into the season.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Eagles I guess..

[sweetness34]

In all honesty, I used to have the same opinion. But this is the first training camp that he's been a Cowboy and he doesn't seem lazy by any report. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

But my problem with him is that he complains when he doesn't get the ball. ...and then I've seen him give up and not play hard. So that's what I worry about going into the season.

#1 talent, not a #1 work ethic on the field. Guy could be all-world if he wanted to be.

I do think he'll see his numbers improve significantly in Dallas because he's got a QB who can get him the ball, players around him that will make him better, and a sense of urgency to go out and perform but it's sad that it takes this type of situation for a guy to bust his ass every Sunday with his type of talent.

He's a helluva weapon though when he's on his game. What happens if he doesn't get the ball as much as he wants though? Will he revert back to the old Roy?

[FUNBUNCHER]

Most of these WR corps are young and unproven. I voted strictly as a homer, because I easily could have selected the Eagles or Giants first.

I've seen too many Cowboys WRs drop passes in critical moments to believe that bunch is anything but underachievers.

If Bardern and Nicks pan out, the Giants are #1.

Maclin should be productive as a rookie similar to Jackson, and if Kevin Curtis is healthy, there isn't a faster unit in the division.

I picked the SKins because they have the best combo of size and speed, ( three of their top 5 WRs run a 4.4 or better), and size, (three of the top 5 are 6'2 or taller).

Now if only the Skins had a QB who wasn't afraid to throw to WRs in single coverage!!!

[herniateddisc]

Based on talent the G-Men.

Based past production Cowboys.

[quincyyyyy]

You are forgetting TE's. Martellus Bennett and Jason Witten puts us first.

[FUNBUNCHER]

I'll take your Martellus Bennett and Witten and raise you a Chris Cooley and Fred Davis.

Skins WRs are gonna put it on people this year, in spite of Campbell's fear of throwing to WRs in single coverage!!!

[Cicero]

Accidentally voted for the Giants meant to vote for the Eagles. Brandon Gibson is gonna be a stud, in addition to the fact that they have the deepest group of receivers.

[Rosebud]

Accidentally voted for the Giants meant to vote for the Eagles. Brandon Gibson is gonna be a stud, in addition to the fact that they have the deepest group of receivers.

That was just your subconcious correcting you. ;)

[quincyyyyy]

That was just your subconcious correcting you. ;)

You realize the person on your sig is a huge thug.

[quincyyyyy]

I'll take your Martellus Bennett and Witten and raise you a Chris Cooley and Fred Davis.

Ha! When has Cooley ever been better than Witten. And Fred Davis has done bunk so far. Right now any reasonable observer would say you screwed up when you passed on Martellus Bennett who is not only bigger than Fred Davis but has been more productive so far. You are living in a dream world.

[Rosebud]

You realize the person on your sig is a huge thug.

Oh total gang banger man, in fact he's so gangstar he's stolen a whole damn PS3...:rolleyes:

[D-Unit]

OK, so us Cowboys fans have all heard how TO's loss will be hurting us by everyone in the media.. blah, blah, blah...

Now after Romo throws for the most yards in his career, they say this...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290913027

TAMPA, Fla. -- Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys figure they'll be fine without Terrell Owens.

Surrounded by a talented supporting cast that includes Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin and Jason Witten -- not to mention Marion Barber and Felix Jones -- it's easy to understand why.


HUH? Give me a break. These guys kill me. Know-it-alls with their hindsight vision.

[Rosebud]

OK, so us Cowboys fans have all heard how TO's loss will be hurting us by everyone in the media.. blah, blah, blah...

Now after Romo throws for the most yards in his career, they say this...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290913027

TAMPA, Fla. -- Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys figure they'll be fine without Terrell Owens.

Surrounded by a talented supporting cast that includes Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin and Jason Witten -- not to mention Marion Barber and Felix Jones -- it's easy to understand why.


HUH? Give me a break. These guys kill me. Know-it-alls with their hindsight vision.

It's okay, after next week they'll be back bitching about how tony needs TO against elite teams. ;)

[Sniper]

OK, so us Cowboys fans have all heard how TO's loss will be hurting us by everyone in the media.. blah, blah, blah...

Now after Romo throws for the most yards in his career, they say this...

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=290913027

TAMPA, Fla. -- Tony Romo and the Dallas Cowboys figure they'll be fine without Terrell Owens.

Surrounded by a talented supporting cast that includes Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin and Jason Witten -- not to mention Marion Barber and Felix Jones -- it's easy to understand why.


HUH? Give me a break. These guys kill me. Know-it-alls with their hindsight vision.

So, since we're basing everything off one game, where are all of the Eagles' defense doubters?

[D-Unit]

So, since we're basing everything off one game, where are all of the Eagles' defense doubters?
It always comes back to "me" with you, huh. Find that thread, quote someone and then say something. Don't change the subject of what this thread is about.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Ha! When has Cooley ever been better than Witten. And Fred Davis has done bunk so far. Right now any reasonable observer would say you screwed up when you passed on Martellus Bennett who is not only bigger than Fred Davis but has been more productive so far. You are living in a dream world.

Let me know when I can be next in line to kiss Witten's SB ring.

And Bennett and Davis are very similar prospects IMO except for height.

Cooley's career #'s, 314 rec/3457 yds/28 TDs
Witten's career #'s, 429 rec/4935 yds/ 25 TDs

Also, Witten's been in the league a year longer and has had the benefit of playing in a legit pro offense with a pro bowl QB.

TO act like there's a word of difference between the two, or that I live in fantasy world, is just typical Puke snobbery.

[Rosebud]

Let me know when I can be next in line to kiss Witten's SB ring.

And Bennett and Davis are very similar prospects IMO except for height.

Cooley's career #'s, 314 rec/3457 yds/28 TDs
Witten's career #'s, 429 rec/4935 yds/ 25 TDs

Also, Witten's been in the league a year longer and has had the benefit of playing in a legit pro offense with a pro bowl QB.

TO act like there's a word of difference between the two, or that I live in fantasy world, is just typical Puke snobbery.

You have no idea how hard it is for me to say anything nice about a cowboy, but Witten is hands down the best TE in the NFL. Oh god, I think I'm going to be sick. *runs off to puke*

[scottyboy]

hey, remember when the Cowboys beat up on the BUCS? yea, me too. let's wait til they play a real secondary before we go 'round crowning them

[FUNBUNCHER]

You have no idea how hard it is for me to say anything nice about a cowboy, but Witten is hands down the best TE in the NFL. Oh god, I think I'm going to be sick. *runs off to puke*

Better than Antonio Gates?

Over the same period of time, 6 years, Gates has 400 rec/5066yds/ 51 TDs.

Witten is good, but right now Gates is the leader in the clubhouse.

Not even a diss on Witten, just trying to rep my man Cooley!!:)

[Rosebud]

Better than Antonio Gates?

Over the same period of time, 6 years, Gates has 400 rec/5066yds/ 51 TDs.

Witten is good, but right now Gates is the leader in the clubhouse.

Not even a diss on Witten, just trying to rep my man Cooley!!:)

Witten is infinitely better as a blocker than gates and has gotten his with a prima donna like TO there while Gates has battled the immortal Chris Chambers and Vincent Jackson for touches.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Witten is infinitely better as a blocker than gates and has gotten his with a prima donna like TO there while Gates has battled the immortal Chris Chambers and Vincent Jackson for touches.

Really? I think Ladanian Tomlinson would beg to differ on the divine mysteries of 'infinitely better' blocking. Witten has always been at least the #2 WR for Dallas. Romo is always looking for him, even over T.O., which was the source of many Terrell temper tantrums in Dallas.

Overall, Gates is just a more dominant TE. I've seen nothing to suggest Gates isn't a quality blocker for the TE position.

[Rosebud]

Really? I think Ladanian Tomlinson would beg to differ on the divine mysteries of 'infinitely better' blocking. Witten has always been at least the #2 WR for Dallas. Romo is always looking for him, even over T.O., which was the source of many Terrell temper tantrums in Dallas.

Overall, Gates is just a more dominant TE. I've seen nothing to suggest Gates isn't a quality blocker for the TE position.

umm, yeah, gates is a bad blocker. As for Witten being the number two that's my point, gates is the number 1 weapon while Witten the number two.

[quincyyyyy]

Really? I think Ladanian Tomlinson would beg to differ on the divine mysteries of 'infinitely better' blocking. Witten has always been at least the #2 WR for Dallas. Romo is always looking for him, even over T.O., which was the source of many Terrell temper tantrums in Dallas.

Overall, Gates is just a more dominant TE. I've seen nothing to suggest Gates isn't a quality blocker for the TE position.

I think it is pretty well known that Gates isn't the best of blockers. Witten is a much better blocker, whereas Gates is slightly better receiver.

[quincyyyyy]

So far it is looking like the Cowboys receivers are the best... Ha!

[Hurricanes25]

So far it is looking like the Cowboys receivers are the best... Ha!

The poll says otherwise.

[tjsunstein]

Westbrook included, it's tight between the Cowboys and Eagles. Without Westbrook, I'll take Dallas.

[D-Unit]

The poll says otherwise.
That's because most people are enamoured with "big names"... Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin make people jump on the hype machine. I admit, down the line, they look like the best WR duo, but they have a lot of growing up to do still.

People often discredit team ball. Which is ironic because the best team ball has been played by the Giants, they've been the most successful lately and people still don't give them enough credit.

The Cowboys without TO are now playing more team ball. Names like Crayton, Austin, Hurd don't frighten cause people to jump on any kind of bandwagons... so the poll will reflect their poor popularity, but it doesn't reflect the truth.

Quincy is right... So far, the Cowboys look the best, but it was hard pressed to make believers out of that before the season started.

[D-Unit]

Westbrook included, it's tight between the Cowboys and Eagles. Without Westbrook, I'll take Dallas.
I see RB is a factor... What about TEs?

[Thumper]

Ok people (specifically the Cowboys fans), please stop the hype train.

You played the Buccaneers. Romo was playing pitch and catch out there, no pass rush, they were missing their starting FS and most of the yards came on broken plays.

Lets put the brakes on this until the Cowboys do that against a team that isn't the early favorite for a top 5 pick. Lets see how they do against the Giants secondary.

[Thumper]

And if we're judging things off of one game, I can go into the Crystal Ball thread and serve up some crow for some people. :rolleyes:

[D-Unit]

Ok people (specifically the Cowboys fans), please stop the hype train.

You played the Buccaneers. Romo was playing pitch and catch out there, no pass rush, they were missing their starting FS and most of the yards came on broken plays.

Lets put the brakes on this until the Cowboys do that against a team that isn't the early favorite for a top 5 pick. Lets see how they do against the Giants secondary.
lol. You can't stop the truth. Romo has a lot of very good options to throw to.

We'll see how your receivers do with the Garcia/Kolb/Vick combination. Don't make up excuses now on how they might look bad without McNabb. This whole topic is about Receivers independent of QB play. Unless you're admitting that McNabb is the one that makes them good.. which in that case, further ruins your stance.

[Sniper]

It always comes back to "me" with you, huh. Find that thread, quote someone and then say something. Don't change the subject of what this thread is about.

No, it wasn't about you. You're the one who was basing things off of one game, but I don't think you doubted the Eagles' D.

[scottyboy]

No, it wasn't about you. You're the one who was basing things off of one game, but I don't think you doubted the Eagles' D.

nothing against the eagles or what their D did, they were great but still...it WAS Delhomme...

[Sniper]

nothing against the eagles or what their D did, they were great but still...it WAS Delhomme...

They did a good job of shutting down the running game as well.

[D-Unit]

I'm just anxious for the game against the Giants... Get to see how far back we are versus a legitimate top NFL team. Cowboys flying under the radar, just the way I like it.

[Rosebud]

I'm just anxious for the game against the Giants... Get to see how far back we are versus a legitimate top NFL team. Cowboys flying under the radar, just the way I like it.

I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully we start seeing what Sheridan has in his bag of tricks in action.

Plus seeing our passing game take on your pass D should be fun.

[quincyyyyy]

The poll says otherwise.

the production says otherwise.

[quincyyyyy]

Plus seeing our passing game take on your pass D should be fun.

Are you serious? It won't be fun in the sense it is a good matchup. It will be fun in the sense that your pass game will do **** considering you have 3rd/4th receivers starting for your team and Eli is your QB. With Amani Toomer and Plax gone it should be fun watching your passing game do crap and baby Eli getting that long face that he gets every time he makes a bone headed play.

[scottyboy]

Are you serious? It won't be fun in the sense it is a good matchup. It will be fun in the sense that your pass game will do **** considering you have 3rd/4th receivers starting for your team and Eli is your QB. With Amani Toomer and Plax gone it should be fun watching your passing game do crap and baby Eli getting that long face that he gets every time he makes a bone headed play.

because that happened in the opener against a better Redskins defense.

my word, I swear these first 4 week of the season trolls get worse and worse with every year

[Rosebud]

Are you serious? It won't be fun in the sense it is a good matchup. It will be fun in the sense that your pass game will do **** considering you have 3rd/4th receivers starting for your team and Eli is your QB. With Amani Toomer and Plax gone it should be fun watching your passing game do crap and baby Eli getting that long face that he gets every time he makes a bone headed play.

Funny how our 3rd and 4th receivers with Eli at QB moved the ball almost at will against a superior pass defense in washington. Oh well, stupid cowboy fan will learn to keep his mouth shut.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Funny how our 3rd and 4th receivers with Eli at QB moved the ball almost at will against a superior pass defense in washington. Oh well, stupid cowboy fan will learn to keep his mouth shut.

I won't say the Giants moved the ball at will against the Skins, but they did make clutch plays and did more to win the game than Washington did.

Our blitz couldn't consistently get to Eli, but his receivers didn't exactly tear it up either. I wanna see if Dallas has more success putting Eli on his butt than the Skins did.

Manningham is a nice young WR, but with Nicks out, the Giants WR corps got worse by half.
Dallas should be in a great position to pull the upset, if only their own WRs can step up to the challenge.

[Rosebud]

I won't say the Giants moved the ball at will against the Skins, but they did make clutch plays and did more to win the game than Washington did.

Our blitz couldn't consistently get to Eli, but his receivers didn't exactly tear it up either. I wanna see if Dallas has more success putting Eli on his butt than the Skins did.

Manningham is a nice young WR, but with Nicks out, the Giants WR corps got worse by half.
Dallas should be in a great position to pull the upset, if only their own WRs can step up to the challenge.

Yeah we did, we didn't end drives once we got to the redzone but we were able to drive at will.

As for our receivers, of course they didn't tear it up, but they got open and made plays, which is all we need. We're not going to be a prolific passing attack, we're a run first, control the clock offense and our passing game showed it was good enough to keep us efficient. While Nicks is out we still have Smith who's our best receiver, we still have manningham who's our biggest threat to make a big play and we still have guys like boss, hixon, barden and beckum who aren't going to scare teams but are going to make some plays, which is all we need.

As for the dallas game, they've certainly have a good chance to win but it won't be because we don't have a passing game, it'll be because we're only dressing 3 corners.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Barden I don't think dressed for the Skins game, did Beckum even have a catch?? Yes, Boss and Hixon will be factors in this game, but the Skins offense is dysfunctional and one of the worst in the league at scoring more than 18 points in a game.
I wonder how NY will respond playing against a team reasonably adept at scoring points.

That said, I still think the Giants are the overall better team, but losing Ware and Nicks early, and no Aaron Ross in the secondary could be critical.

[Rosebud]

So it looks like super mario and steve smith answered this question with a resounding we gun rape you...

[FUNBUNCHER]

Haven't seen the Eagles play yet, but even with injuries, it's clear that the Giants have the best receiving corps in the NFCE. Or maybe just the best QB.

Gun rape?

You are a certifiable PERVERT, Rosey!!

[scottyboy]

Are you serious? It won't be fun in the sense it is a good matchup. It will be fun in the sense that your pass game will do **** considering you have 3rd/4th receivers starting for your team and Eli is your QB. With Amani Toomer and Plax gone it should be fun watching your passing game do crap and baby Eli getting that long face that he gets every time he makes a bone headed play.

paging quincyyy. paaaaaaaging quincyyy. those 3rd/4th WRs were terrible and Eli made so many bone headed plays

[Giantsfan1080]

Wow Quincy couldn't have been more wrong if he tried.

[Sniper]

Are you serious? It won't be fun in the sense it is a good matchup. It will be fun in the sense that your pass game will do **** considering you have 3rd/4th receivers starting for your team and Eli is your QB. With Amani Toomer and Plax gone it should be fun watching your passing game do crap and baby Eli getting that long face that he gets every time he makes a bone headed play.

http://www.thedailycontributor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/large_mario04.jpg

For the record, I'm also eating crow over the WRs, but it's only been two games. Was that going to stop me from posting a MM pic? No, but you knew that.

[Rosebud]

I know it's only been two weeks but I like how Quincyyy has disappeared from this thread after sunday night's game.

[scottyboy]

I know it's only been two weeks but I like how Quincyyy has disappeared from this thread after sunday night's game.

did I not call that like on the other page? I swear, these trolls just disappear when they get shut down

[Giantsfan1080]

did I not call that like on the other page? I swear, these trolls just disappear when they get shut down

You never have. :)

[herniateddisc]

I had said best now is Dallas with GMen having most talent ..... I might need to eat those words very soon. GMen.

[quincyyyyy]

Yes I was wrong. Touche. But you got lucky that game. Romo has one or two games a year where he just goes nuts and throws like 3 or 5 ints. You just happened to play us when Romo had one of those games. All Romo had to do was be a bus driver QB and we would have beat you. That is a fact.

Anyhow, our runningbacks are better.

[scottyboy]

Yes I was wrong. Touche. But you got lucky that game. Romo has one or two games a year where he just goes nuts and throws like 3 or 5 ints. You just happened to play us when Romo had one of those games. All Romo had to do was be a bus driver QB and we would have beat you. That is a fact.

Anyhow, our runningbacks are better.

it's not fact if it's hypothetical...

this is the WR thread, ours have proven to be better through the first 3 weeks. Crow is yummy, yes?

and cool, make a RB thread. This is the WR thread, you lose. Remember when you called MM and SS 3/4 recievers who wouldn't do anything against the cowboys. ha, and again ha.

[quincyyyyy]

Miles Austin is the best receiver in the NFC East.
http://www.cowboysgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/miles-austin-v-gb.jpg

[scottyboy]

the NFL's leader entering the week in receptions, rec. TD's and yards begs to differ

[quincyyyyy]

we'll see how long that lasts for

[Rosebud]

so far it's lasted for 5 weeks. I'm a lot less worried about Steve Smith now than I was 2 weeks ago as Nicks has shown he'll make an impact which will give us enough options at WR to keep Smith from getting shut down. Plus Austin has to show that he can have games like that consistently.

[quincyyyyy]

Plus Austin has to show that he can have games like that consistently.

yep Austin only had 171 yards and 2 tds this time...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

[Rosebud]

yep Austin only had 171 yards and 2 tds this time...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

OMGZZ Austinzzz to the Hall, right now!!111!!!!!

[quincyyyyy]

OMGZZ Austinzzz to the Hall, right now!!111!!!!!

You're just jealous

[Rosebud]

You're just jealous

Nope, we're set at WR.

[Sniper]

yep Austin only had 171 yards and 2 tds this time...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

Against the 26th-ranked pass defense. Championship. :rolleyes:

[Go_Eagles77]

Austin has impressed me, but I want to see him have a big game against someone other than Brandon Carr and Brent Grimes.

[LonghornsLegend]

Austin has impressed me, but I want to see him have a big game against someone other than Brandon Carr and Brent Grimes.

You impressed yet? I'm not trying to be funny, just being honest to see how people feel about him now. And people always bring up Brandon Carr, or the Chiefs suck etc etc, like every team has a WR putting up 250 yards against Kc this year. If it was just that easy to beat up those specific corners why is it that Austin had that much of a bigger game then anyone else they faced? 250 yards isn't really an accident, there are plenty of terrible teams in the league this year and none of them are giving up 250 yards to WR's a game.



Now as far as Roy, these last two weeks he's impressed me more, starting to get into the flow of things(finally), granted some bonehead plays are still there but considering alot of Romo's passes have been way off target he's done well statistically most games he has had legit chances to catch enough passes. He can be a #1 WR, but it's obvious he's not a Fitzgerald, Calvin, or Andre, so nobody needs to think he is or will be. I still think he's good enough to be that #1 guy, but he's benefitted alot recently from defenses paying attention to Austin.


Thing is, were just starting to figure out how to use him. Throw him some slants, let him make some DB's miss, it's not that hard. He actually looked very elusive with the ball on alot of those short quick routes, and he showed he can get downfield but that fumble is inexcuseable. Still people will overanalyze every mistake he makes because the microscope is on him as if he's the 1st WR to ever have one drop and fumble in the same game.


DeSean Jackson is clearly the best WR in the division to me. He needs to develop more of a mid range, across the middle game to be a complete WR to me, but he doesn't need to do that to justify him turning into an elite WR. Randy Moss still doesn't do that stuff, but when your great at what you do no point in trying to get him killed.


Steve Smith is much better then people give him credit for, runs excellent routes, can get open on pretty much anyone, catches everything, I figured he would be their new Amani Toomer. I never see him becoming a #1 WR that makes a defense key on him but Welker was NEVER that guy and it didn't stop him from being a very good Wr.


Nicks I really like, he's one of the guys who just was a football player, very natural WR, it was evident early on too. Still need to see his growth so it's hard to label him until we see his full potential, but he has #1 WR skills, excellent hands, but still enough speed to beat a defense deep.



Devin Thomas is someone I wanted the Cowboys to take, he's pretty close to bust status, but while it may be just one play that screen pass he ran last week was exactly the type of things I saw him doing. It was just a quick screen, but he made like 3 guys miss, stopped, picked up speed very nicely, showed some strength, the guys has physically everything you look for in a WR I just don't know if he wants it. No reason he shouldn't be dominating at this point, I still have alot of faith in him, and people should of realized he was very raw coming out of MSU and a late bloomer being that he had to go to JUCO before MSU and still took some time at MSU before exploding. I'm gonna watch out for him next year, don't write him off, because just in that 1 play showed everything that he could be as a WR if he works at it.



Now as far as Austin he has certainly exceeded my expectations, 7 TD's thus far puts him right up there with the Fitzgeralds and Andre Johnsons of the game and nearly leading the league, you can't ignore that no matter how you want to spin it. He's having to adjust his game recently to seeing double coverages for the 1st time ever, so this is when we will really see what he's about. I just think Romo is going to the open man at this point, so he's not about to force the ball to Austin in double coverage, but you can bet that he's having an impact on our offense regardless of what he catches now. Now he's making life easier on RW, Witten, and the entire underneath passing game because he can stretch a defense and you have to key on him, each week the team we face mentions his name about knowing where he is at.


He makes a great compliment to Roy though, and he'll definately be back, but I need to see how he finishes before trying to place him properly. Still, if he reaches double digit TD's that's mighty impressive, and you saw what he looked like as the legit #1 WR with only him and Crayton on the field so you have an idea of his ability. Let's see if he can adjust his game, and still be a threat even with safety help over top each play, he's still learning though and doesn't do the little things alot of times you want your WR to do.


Alot of times he'll run an out, or stop route, and will let the ball come to him instead of attacking it, letting the DB get in and break up the pass. He hasn't conquered making the simple catches yet that aren't huge gains but makes 3rd downs easier. The KC game he could of had 2 more TD's but one was dropped(tough catch but great WR's make those easily) and one knocked out that should never have been. I love the progress, but he's got a long long way to go still, which is good and bad.

[Sniper]

You impressed yet? I'm not trying to be funny, just being honest to see how people feel about him now.

Why would his opinion change? 5 catches for 69 yards and a touchdown in the past two games. Not exactly setting the world on fire.

[LonghornsLegend]

Why would his opinion change? 5 catches for 69 yards and a touchdown in the past two games. Not exactly setting the world on fire.

Who said it was though? He said he wanted to see him do it against someone other then Carr and Grimes, which he has. I don't think I once tried to make it seem like he was setting the world on fire at all, just wanted to see if his opinion had changed since the post. If you think he sucks then that's cool, I'm not trying to turn this into a homer fest if you couldn't tell by my post.

[Dirty Thirty]

Devin Thomas is someone I wanted the Cowboys to take, he's pretty close to bust status, but while it may be just one play that screen pass he ran last week was exactly the type of things I saw him doing. It was just a quick screen, but he made like 3 guys miss, stopped, picked up speed very nicely, showed some strength, the guys has physically everything you look for in a WR I just don't know if he wants it. No reason he shouldn't be dominating at this point, I still have alot of faith in him, and people should of realized he was very raw coming out of MSU and a late bloomer being that he had to go to JUCO before MSU and still took some time at MSU before exploding. I'm gonna watch out for him next year, don't write him off, because just in that 1 play showed everything that he could be as a WR if he works at it.


Devin Thomas' lack of production in Washington is IMO not so much due to Devin Thomas. He is extremely young and raw and like you said hes still learning the position but I blame most of his issues on a combination of playcalling and qb play. Campbell locks in on Moss or dumps off and only throws the ball to Thomas if the playcall is specifically for Thomas and those playcalls are few and far between but when he gets the ball in his hands he is a playmaker. Hes big, strong, and fast. I think if the Skins can fix the oline this offseason and someday find a qb that sees the field that Thomas still has what it takes to be a stud.

[BleedBurgundy96]

I still think the Eagles have the best WRs but the Giants are creeping up to them. Nicks was a steal in the draft for the Giants. Hes going to be a machine in a couple years.

I think if the Skins can fix the oline this offseason and someday find a qb that sees the field that Thomas still has what it takes to be a stud.

Agreed. I loved when we landed Devin Thomas in the 2nd rd. I think he still has the talent to be a pretty good WR. Malcolm Kelly not so much. I dont think hes that good at all. I cant wait to see Marko Mitchell get more and more playing time later in the season. He has all the tools to one day be a #1 WR imo.