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S T R I N G
08-19-2009, 08:14 PM
Who do you think is going to win the NFC West?

Respond to the poll and post your explanation here.

YAYareaRB
08-19-2009, 08:17 PM
I dunno.. I think although we seem to be the joke division of the league, our division race is definitely a four (at last three) horse race. The Cardinals added to their potent offense by drafting an everydown/between the tackles RB in Beanie Wells. Can his situation get anymore perfect?

The Seahawks are coming off a injury plagued season and they should be dangerous this season.

As for my team (49ers).. We're making strides. I think I'm gonna wait until a regular season game to start passing judgement.

The Rams are gonna surprise some teams this year. I think the place where they need to get the most production from is the defensive backfield. The front seven is definitely gonna hold it down this year but they need to rely on the backs to make plays back there.

Smooth Criminal
08-19-2009, 10:09 PM
I think I'm going with Arizona. I can't pick between them and Seattle. I trust Warner to lead that offense to another division title.

Splat
08-19-2009, 10:24 PM
When it comes to this Div I'm not voting because frankly I just don't care.

nfrillman
08-19-2009, 10:25 PM
Well my heart says Rams, but if I were to bet my life on it I'd have to go with the Cardinals.

Job
08-19-2009, 10:35 PM
It will be a lot closer than last year, but I think the Cards take it again. I also like the Niners' chances. The Seahawks' offense will be going nowhere and the Rams are one more year away I say.

MasterShake
08-20-2009, 12:09 AM
Looks like the seahawks will be without Walter Jones (knee surgery) and Marcus Trufant (disk) for extended periods of time. Hurts there chances depending on how long they are out.

sweetness34
08-20-2009, 12:30 AM
If the Seahawks don't get healthy, I don't think even the Super Bowl loser's curse will affect Arizona as they are still the most talented team in that division.

Hines
08-20-2009, 01:31 AM
Cardinals. Their offense is downright scary and their defense is very underrated IMO.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
08-20-2009, 01:40 AM
Well I don't think they are underrated at all. I think they had a good playoff run just like the Colts did when they won the Superbowl. I agree the Cardinals have a lot of talent on their defense but I still see them giving up 20pts a game.

49ersfan_87
08-20-2009, 01:47 AM
I want to believe the 49ers will win the division, but we have question marks at QB, Pass Rusher, Nose Tackle, Free Safety, and Right Tackle. We have some guys who can step up in a lot of these spots. But to enter a season with all these question marks, along with a first year HC and an OC who hasn't called plays in years, it lowers my expectations on the team.

Brent
08-20-2009, 01:53 AM
Cards. Until someone steps up, it's stupid to assume any one else is going to win.

yodabear
08-20-2009, 01:55 AM
Well my heart says Rams, but if I were to bet my life on it I'd have to go with the Cardinals.

Lovely sig frillman, and these are my thoughts exactly. I love how 4 of the 5 votes for the Rams are known Rams fans.

wogitalia
08-20-2009, 01:58 AM
Cards should win here, best offense, possibly the best defense also.

Seahawks are the wildcard in the division, if healthy they can challenge.

Brent
08-20-2009, 02:02 AM
possibly the best defense also.
certainly NOT true.

AussieBoy
08-20-2009, 07:50 AM
The Cards defense stepped up a gear in the post-season and killed off some pretty potent running teams. We've upgraded the troublesome secondary though pass rush remains a concern.
Offensively, a driven THT pushed by Wells will hopefully improve the running game.
This team has talent and confidence.

Seahawks could be a real danger, but key injuries may hold them back again.
Singletary put some fire in the Niners bellies and they will fight us to the death on the field, but I'm not convinced they can get up and do it each week. Not sold on their offense.
Rams...can't see much there still.

Malaka
08-20-2009, 08:17 AM
It's Arizona their defense is young and underrated, they can only get better IMO. Then the offense is just amazing, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Steve Breaston, and Kurt Warner are all back. Plus, they added Chris Wells who will definitely give a boost to their running game. If Warner stays healthy I expect them to win the NFC West easily. Seattle does come a close second though.

NFC West Predictions
Arizona Cardinals 10-6
Seattle Seahawks 8-8
San Francisco 49ers 7-9
St. Louis Rams 2-14

tjsunstein
08-20-2009, 08:39 AM
When it comes to this Div I'm not voting because frankly I just don't care.

Thanks for your input. I don't know how much cooler that posts makes you but it's certainly up there.

I'll go with the underdog here. I like the Seahawks this year.

cdub11
08-20-2009, 09:16 AM
Arizona, far more talent than anyone else.

Brothgar
08-20-2009, 09:28 AM
Until I read this post I thought that Seattle had a chance but now Arizona should run away with this division.

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1762129&#post1762129

JFLO
08-20-2009, 09:54 AM
I actually have Arizona getting the 2nd seed in the conference right now...I don't think switching to the 3-4 poses that big of a problem, even though it wasn't needed.

The secondary is one of the best, if not the best in the league. The X-Factor will be Beanie Wells. His health isn't off to a good start as of now, but if he can somehow manage to stay on the field, then they should be in good shape.

I don't know if I like all the love that San Fran is getting. They still either have a bust or a journeyman at best starting at quarterback and still haven't even signed Crabtree, who is supposedly supposed to be an instant impact player? Besides Patrick Willis, I don't like the defense. Dre' Bly provides a replacement for Walt Harris, but just how far that will go has yet to be seen.

St. Louis, no explanation needed.

I think that Seattle's fate is all on Matt Hasselbeck's back. A back injury is one that is constant and it lingers on. If he can stay healthy, then they have a decent shot of getting 8 or 9 wins. I doubt they make the playoffs because the NFC East and South are just too much for them.

1. Arizona
2. Seattle
3. San Fran
4. St. Louis

NY+Giants=NYG
08-20-2009, 09:57 AM
I am going to go with Seattle, once again, rising and running that division.

YAYareaRB
08-20-2009, 10:17 AM
When it comes to this Div I'm not voting because frankly I just don't care.

+rep for COOLNESS!!!111!

scottyboy
08-20-2009, 10:33 AM
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YAYareaRB
08-20-2009, 10:35 AM
Lineman facemasks FTW

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wicket
08-20-2009, 10:58 AM
im saying the cards but not becuz i tink they are that good but the rest is worse

YAYareaRB
08-20-2009, 11:02 AM
im saying the cards but not becuz i tink they are that good but the rest is worse

Why don't you think they are that good? Coming off of a superbowl appearance and a pretty good off-season.

I hate when people just dismiss the whole division. We're not as bad as people are making us out to be.

MasterShake
08-20-2009, 01:20 PM
I actually have Arizona getting the 2nd seed in the conference right now...I don't think switching to the 3-4 poses that big of a problem, even though it wasn't needed.

The secondary is one of the best, if not the best in the league. The X-Factor will be Beanie Wells. His health isn't off to a good start as of now, but if he can somehow manage to stay on the field, then they should be in good shape.

1. Arizona
2. Seattle
3. San Fran
4. St. Louis

Are you suggesting the secondary that gave up the most TD passes last year is the best in the league?

wicket
08-20-2009, 03:09 PM
Why don't you think they are that good? Coming off of a superbowl appearance and a pretty good off-season.

I hate when people just dismiss the whole division. We're not as bad as people are making us out to be.

i think its a fluke that they reached the sb. I dont really like arizona's oline, combine that with a lack of a running game a qb that actually has grey hair and a defense that doesnt impress me at all and you have a team that doesnt do it for me. Keep in mind it was a team that went 3-7 against non division opponents and only reached the playoffs cuz they were in a division with the teams picking 2nd 4th and 8th in the draft if im not mistaking. granted they had a tough non division schedule but still

YAYareaRB
08-20-2009, 03:14 PM
i think its a fluke that they reached the sb. I dont really like arizona's oline, combine that with a lack of a running game a qb that actually has grey hair and a defense that doesnt impress me at all and you have a team that doesnt do it for me. Keep in mind it was a team that went 3-7 against non division opponents and only reached the playoffs cuz they were in a division with the teams picking 2nd 4th and 8th in the draft if im not mistaking. granted they had a tough non division schedule but still

And when playoffs came around.. those records didn't really matter. Lack of running game was issued in the draft so that will still be up for judgement. Oh so we're judging QBs on hair color, if I'm not mistaken, this gray haired QB out performed just about all the QBs in the league last season.

AussieBoy
08-20-2009, 05:31 PM
Are you suggesting the secondary that gave up the most TD passes last year is the best in the league?

I wouldn't say they are the best, but Rod hood and Eric Green have been supplanted by DRC and McFadden, which is certainly an upgrade. Wilson and Rolle starting Safeties.
The depth behind them is a little thin, but has potential in rookies R. Johnson and Greg Toler.

Bucs_Rule
08-20-2009, 06:18 PM
And when playoffs came around.. those records didn't really matter. Lack of running game was issued in the draft so that will still be up for judgement. Oh so we're judging QBs on hair color, if I'm not mistaken, this gray haired QB out performed just about all the QBs in the league last season.

How good a running game is depends a lot on how well the line blocks. Hightower stunk last season, he averaged 2.8 yac, edge was 1 yard better. Wells should provide a huge upgrade over Hightower.

The big problem with Arizona is no great passrusher.

Borat
08-20-2009, 06:25 PM
I don't know if I like all the love that San Fran is getting.


What love? No one in this thread picked them to win the division. Go into any of the NFL prediction threads and you'll find, at best, 1 out of 10 predictions would have the 9ers winning the division. No one has them winning a wild card spot. So again, what love are you talking about?

wicket
08-20-2009, 07:09 PM
And when playoffs came around.. those records didn't really matter. Lack of running game was issued in the draft so that will still be up for judgement. Oh so we're judging QBs on hair color, if I'm not mistaken, this gray haired QB out performed just about all the QBs in the league last season.

allright he is just flat out old, i was trying to use a eufemism but wth

CC.SD
08-20-2009, 07:12 PM
The 9ers just ripped the Raiders into tiny little pieces during a scrimmage so I'm going to go with them.

Just kidding I'm actually going with Frank Gore's big year, dominance finally from Vernon Davis, good management by Shaun Hill and great contributions from a WR corps with a ludicrously high ceiling, not to mention a veteran secondary, Patrick Willis, and my favorite head coach in the league. I'm also looking for Franklin's breakout year at NT and an appearance by Kentwan Balmer, who I still think is a great fit at 3-4 DE.

I love Arizona's O and Warner but I am being serious here and picking the 9ers.

abaddon41_80
08-20-2009, 08:45 PM
I love you, cc.sd.

Brent
08-20-2009, 11:55 PM
The 9ers just ripped the Raiders into tiny little pieces during a scrimmage so I'm going to go with them.

Just kidding I'm actually going with Frank Gore's big year, dominance finally from Vernon Davis, good management by Shaun Hill and great contributions from a WR corps with a ludicrously high ceiling, not to mention a veteran secondary, Patrick Willis, and my favorite head coach in the league. I'm also looking for Franklin's breakout year at NT and an appearance by Kentwan Balmer, who I still think is a great fit at 3-4 DE.

I love Arizona's O and Warner but I am being serious here and picking the 9ers.
Don't get my hopes up haha.

D4rk 0ne
08-21-2009, 02:10 AM
I think the Cards have to be the favorites, but I will say that the Niners have a lot of things going for them.

Last year, AZ barely won the division. The game against SF could have gone either way, in which case both teams would have been 8-8. AZ still would have won due to their better divisional record, but for all intents and purposes it is a close division, and AZ did not win it by a significant margin.

This year, when AZ and SF open, the winner of that game will have a very nice headstart in the race for the title. Seattle has made some great strides, but after injuries to Jones and Trufant, and with an injury-prone and aging Hasselbeck, I think their hopes have been diminished. I'm not ready to count them out, but I think they are seriously impacted by major injuries. Also I don't think Housh will be a savior for them. He'll be an improvement, but I am skeptical that he can be a game changing #1 WR for Seattle, especially with their best tackle out indefinitely and Hasselbeck's back one good hit away from taking him out of commission.

SF, in my opinion, is making greater strides than AZ this year. If they can get Crabtree into camp soon, he will make a difference. Even if not, they have Bruce and Morgan who are very good, and Jones has had a great camp. He should miss three or four games at most, and the Niners have a relatively easy first few games so they may not miss his presence much.

Frank Gore is posed to have a beastly year. He is pumped and ready to play, and has a healthy Norris in front of him. Vernon Davis is having a stellar camp as well; this may be the year he finally sees his potential. Shaun Hill may be a journeyman, but he has demonstrated a good ability to manage the offense and protect the ball. His 7-3 record as a starter in SF is very impressive, and he has put up great numbers across the board in those games. I don't think he's a permanent solution, but I think he will turn some heads this season. The Niners will be dominant at home this year. If they can win on the road -- especially within the West -- I think they can take this division.

Of course like I said, smart money is on AZ. I just think SF has a very real shot, and if they win the opener against AZ, the gates will be opened.

LizardState
08-21-2009, 08:26 AM
Voted Seattle.

Zona ****** themselves after losing the SB by dumping their DC who built their defense from nothing & doing what the Bidwell family always does: go on the cheap, this time by denying their assts. their bonuses. And the switch to the 3-4 defense requires several drafts for the appropriate personnel, they don't have them now.

Lotta unhappy Card players & staff after that SB & I think they will play like it this season -- Seahawks take it since SF is 2-3 players away from that level & the Rams are still trying to put the brakes on their downward spiral.

RedAttack
08-21-2009, 07:11 PM
Built our defense? The one that allowed 36 TD passes and allowed over 50 TD's in total? What he 'built' was a house of cards.

Pendergast had his moments but he is not regarded as even an average DC. The defense never retuned to the form it had in 2004 when he first took over. It regressed every year.

I wish good luck to the guy but I don't think he is going to be a huge loss. He used alot of complicated schemes which resulted in many miscommunications. This was reflected in our 3rd down average and the amount of 'big' plays given up.

However, your assertion that the Cardinals are unhappy is complete nonsense. What in the world is this based on apart from a gut feeling?

Job
08-21-2009, 07:20 PM
What he 'built' was a house of cards.

I lol'd mao.

holt_bruce81
08-22-2009, 12:55 PM
Rams Obviously!!

Haha Kiddin.......I like the Cardinals to win it again.

fenikz
08-23-2009, 04:58 PM
Cards clinched the West and were out of the race for the #2 seed by week 11ish at the time we were 7-3, we rested started and prepared for the post season

MasterShake
08-23-2009, 06:02 PM
Cards clinched the West and were out of the race for the #2 seed by week 11ish at the time we were 7-3, we rested started and prepared for the post season

I think the cards fans forgot that they root for the Arizona Football Cardinals, they will quickly be brought back down to reality this season.

MasterShake
08-25-2009, 07:44 PM
I think the cards fans forgot that they root for the Arizona Football Cardinals, they will quickly be brought back down to reality this season.

Haha, Fenikz keeps me in negative rep single-handedlly because of my anti-card posts. Funny stuff...