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cvv84
08-20-2009, 10:07 AM
When: Saturday 8/20

Time: 7pm on CBS

Starters are expected to play roughly 2 series.

Terrell Owens is out.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 11:49 AM
5 things to watch in Saturday night's game

♦ 1. First-round draft pick B.J. Raji will debut with the Packers Saturday night as a defensive end in the 3-4 and inside rusher on passing downs. He won’t play much because he only began practicing this week and the Packers want to break him in gradually, but he should get at least a handful of snaps.

♦ 2. This week coach Mike McCarthy opened up the job for starting right tackle, so look for both Allen Barbre and Breno Giacomini to get snaps with the starters. McCarthy wants to set his starting line ASAP, so whoever plays better Saturday night might get the majority of work with the No. 1 line next week.

♦ 3. The Packers’ punting job remains wide open between Jeremy Kapinos and Durant Brooks. So far, though, all the competition has been on the practice field. Brooks had the early lead but Kapinos has outpunted him for past week or so. Last week against Cleveland, Brooks had the only punt, a 39-yarder. Game performance is the most important measure, so both players have a lot on the line Saturday night, assuming they get some chances.

♦ 4. No. 3 quarterback Brian Brohm has been better in camp this year than as a rookie and has the occasional sharp play when he’s on the move and throws a strike. But he’s developing far more slowly than backup Matt Flynn. Brohm still holds the ball a little long at times and occasionally misfires on relatively routine throws. He also had a bad game last week against Cleveland (0.0 passer rating, 3-for-10, 18 yards, two interceptions) and needs to show some improvement or who knows what might happen on cutdown day?

♦ 5. With the top two right outside linebackers (Clay Matthews and Jeremy Thompson) out because of injuries, Saturday night provides a big chance for Brady Poppinga

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20090821/PKR01/90821131

Can't wait to see Raji out there! If Bishop can also repeat his monster 1st preseason game I think the coaches will need to find a way to get him on the field. Maybe consider moving Hawk to ROLB LB again. I just hope that either Thompson or Matthews can return next week or this could be like last season where teams just focused on stopping Kampman. This should also be a better indication on how our 3-4 defense will fare over the season.

Rob S
08-22-2009, 11:55 AM
Watch out for 'The Sex". That is all.

GB12
08-22-2009, 12:19 PM
Maybe consider moving Hawk to ROLB LB again.

I wouldn't want to do that. We drafted Matthews for that. At this point I think it's fair to say that Matthews has more potential to be good there than Hawk. We're also not exactly sure how good Barnett will be inside. Bishop has been performing well, but I wouldn't make any moves because of it. It'll work itself out eventually. If we get a couple weeks into the season and either Hawk or Barnett are struggling then Bishop can get his shot. It's a good problem to have especially with switching defenses.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 12:59 PM
I wouldn't want to do that. We drafted Matthews for that. At this point I think it's fair to say that Matthews has more potential to be good there than Hawk. We're also not exactly sure how good Barnett will be inside. Bishop has been performing well, but I wouldn't make any moves because of it. It'll work itself out eventually. If we get a couple weeks into the season and either Hawk or Barnett are struggling then Bishop can get his shot. It's a good problem to have especially with switching defenses.

Yes but with both Matthews and Thompson hurting, moving Hawk would at least allow us to put our 4 best LBs on the field until either of those guys gets healthy. Thats all I'm saying.

princefielder28
08-22-2009, 02:36 PM
I'm going to the game tonight...go there to see the first teamers, some of the seconds, and then head home and catch the second half at home.

PACKmanN
08-22-2009, 02:38 PM
I'm going to the game tonight...go there to see the first teamers, some of the seconds, and then head home and catch the second half at home.

i was thinking of going there, but my friends backed out.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:05 PM
The following Packers players will not play in tonight's game:

8 P Durant Brooks
22 CB Pat Lee
26 S Charlie Peprah
37 S Aaron Rouse
52 LB Clay Matthews
56 LB Nick Barnett
91 DE Justin Harrell
99 LB Jeremy Thompson

Starting Lineup Changes:
On offense, Jason Spitz (#72) will start at C for Scott Wells (63), Josh Sitton (71) will start at RG for Spitz (72), and Korey Hall (35) will start at FB for John Kuhn (30).

The following Bills players will not play in tonight's game:

29 CB Drayton Florence
48 TE Travis McCall
58 DE Aaron Maybin
59 LB Pat Thomas
64 LB Ashlee Palmer
81 WR Terrell Owens

Starting Lineup Changes:
On offense, Roscoe Parrish (#11) will start at WR for Terrell Owens (81).

Roster Changes:
On Friday, the team released CB Antwain Spann (#36).

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:09 PM
Crosby kicks it 2 yards deep in the endzone.

Alot of Packers near the return man. Went down pretty soon.

1) Bills begin in the shotgun. Completes to Lee Evans. Trammon Williams on the stop.

2) Shotgun again. Its a run with Lynch. 2 yard gain. Hawk comes up and makes the stop.

3) 2 TE set. Lynch runs up the middle for a 1st down. Blew right through the line there.

4) Shotgun again. Woodson with a corner blitz but Jenkins stops Lynch on a run to the weak side.

5) 2nd and 11. Shotgun. Ball deflected and its Poppinga with the INT! The Packers 5 INT of the preseason. Packers take over the Bills 37. Nick Collins hit the WR which caused the deflection.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:14 PM
Packers 1st drive:

1) Grant with a 5 yard run behind Clifton and Colledge.

2) Rodgers dumps the ball off to Grant for a 8 yard gain. 1st down. Nice movement in the pocket with pressure coming.

3) 2 TEs. Grant runs to the right and goes nowhere. Donald Lee couldn't hold up with his block.

4) 3 WRs, 2 TEs. Pass completed to Finley for 16 yards. He gets down to the 7 yard line. But its called back with a hands to the face penalty on Spitz. Looked iffy.

5) 2nd and 20. Shotgun. Grant picks up the blitz. Rodgers completes it to Lee for a 7 yard gain.

6) 3 WRs. Its a draw to Grant. Gain of 11 yards. 4th and 1 coming.

7) Packers going for it. 2 TEs. Run with Grant to the weak side and he's stuffed. Bills ball.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 07:18 PM
Our new defense is sexy

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 07:19 PM
So is Greg Jennings.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:20 PM
1) False start of the Bills. 1st and 15.

2) SACKED! Johnny Jolly collapses the pocket. Packers in their nickel defense there so Jolly was at DT.

3) 2nd and 18. Run to Lynch. Poppinga and Woodson stuff him for a 2 yard gain.

4) 3rd and 16. SACKED! Brandon Chillar flushes Edwards out of the pocket. Bot he and Jolly get him again. Ball was stripped. Hawk Recovers. Packers take over on the Bills 5 yard line.

TD Greg Jennings!!!! 7-0 Packers

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:21 PM
Our new defense is sexy

The questions of 'do we have the right personel' are being answered each week. I'm loving it :)

GB12
08-22-2009, 07:22 PM
Johny Jolly has really looked good this preseason.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 07:24 PM
Yes he has. Our front 7 looks stacked with depth.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:28 PM
Raji dropping back into coverage! He's looking good so far. Plowing through a double team.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 07:30 PM
Raji dropping back into coverage! He's looking good so far. Plowing through a double team.
Im loving this depth. Jolly dominating, then steps out. Raji comes in, and its a seemless transition.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 07:31 PM
JerMichael Finley is going to be special.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:32 PM
JerMichael Finley is going to be special.

They're making sure to get him the ball so far this year aren't they! There he goes for another catch.

GB12
08-22-2009, 07:32 PM
Nice throw.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 07:35 PM
Beauty grab by DD. Everyone is showing up tonight.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:36 PM
What a catch by Driver! 1st and goal. Knocking on the door again.

TD GRANT!

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Chillar is really getting some pressure too. Flushed Edwards out of the pocket again.

Come on Hawk. Overruns the play then slips on the tackle...

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:46 PM
Jenks!! Pack force another fumbles and recover.

GB12
08-22-2009, 07:47 PM
3 turnovers in just over a quarter. Nice.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:52 PM
*Yawn* TD to Driver.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 07:59 PM
Did that umpire just pat Blackmon on the ass??

GB12
08-22-2009, 08:02 PM
Brohm before Flynn. Interesting.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:04 PM
Brohm before Flynn. Interesting.

Probably just trying to get him work with better talent around him. See how he does with that.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:10 PM
Bishop with a nice read. Comes up and puts an end to the attempted QB scramble.

Collins walking to the locker room. Getting x-rays on his ribs...

PACKmanN
08-22-2009, 08:14 PM
wtf happened to Wynn's arms? no ****.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:17 PM
Watch out for 'The Sex". That is all.

Watched him with PI call. :D

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:19 PM
Brohm with another INT. Another overthrow.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 08:20 PM
****! my stream cut out. Updates please?! What happened to Collins/Wynn?

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:23 PM
****! my stream cut out. Updates please?! What happened to Collins/Wynn?

Collins got injured. He was walking to the locker room. Getting x-rays on his ribs. Wynn is fine.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:25 PM
Brad Jones with a sack and FF! Pack recover again.

Brohm still looking bad though.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:26 PM
Crosby adds 3. Its 24-0 Packers

jackalope
08-22-2009, 08:32 PM
Damn we look good. Finley looks absolutely awesome. Grant is running a lot better than he was last season. Brohm is still dismal. Crosby appears to be practicing odd kickoffs. He's had two short bouncers over by the sideline, but they seem to be effective.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:34 PM
My Halftime Thoughts:

Defense looking great for the 2nd straight week. Dline getting pressure and pushing the Oline back.

Jolly, Jenkins, Chillar, and Finley are guys who really stood out.

We used the CB blitz quite a bit tonight. I saw Woodson do it twice and Trammon Williams with 1.

Brohm has little to no confidence. He started out shaky. Threw up a deep ball to James Jones which got a PI call against the Bills. Brohm then looked like he was starting to get it going before sailing another pass high which lead to an easy INT. Flynn has no competition.

Run game hasn't ignited like last week but Grant looked good and Jackson had 2 good runs.

redbills
08-22-2009, 08:34 PM
Good, we suck a$$ against 34 teams. I watched for 5 min. then turned the game off.

TitleTown088
08-22-2009, 08:40 PM
Man, Collins hurt would be bad news.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:41 PM
Good, we suck a$$ against 34 teams. I watched for 5 min. then turned the game off.

Edwards missed a few open WRs but your Oline was just getting hammered.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:46 PM
Lumpkin fumbles, gets yanked, Sutton goes in. Pack punt.

Swain levels the punt returner before he even got a chance to field the ball. Not gonna make the team that way.

TitleTown088
08-22-2009, 08:49 PM
Raji's initial push off the line is insane.

princefielder28
08-22-2009, 08:53 PM
Raji's initial push off the line is insane.

It's fun to watch him do his thing. Just got back from the game, decided to leave a halftime. The first team offense is sooooo good and Jermichael is such a mismatch for the defense, it's great. The secondary had a very nice performance and was the catalyst to alot of the Bills' problems.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 08:58 PM
INT Bishop!

Underwood is down.

Boston
08-22-2009, 08:58 PM
Wow. That was one of the worst challenges I've ever seen.

TitleTown088
08-22-2009, 09:02 PM
Jermichael is such a mismatch for the defense, it's great.

He burned Mckelvin, badly. He's like a 6-5 250 lb WR.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:02 PM
The more I see of Brohm the more I don't like him. Staring down his WRs... Throwing high...

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:05 PM
Bad news for Frischknecht. Either broke or dislocated his akle. Poor kid.


Injuries are starting to come in bunches. First Rouse in practice, then Collins, Underwood, and now Frischknecht.

princefielder28
08-22-2009, 09:06 PM
He burned Mckelvin, badly. He's like a 6-5 250 lb WR.

and no LB can keep up and no safety is big enough to man up on him

GB12
08-22-2009, 09:09 PM
and no LB can keep up and no safety is big enough to man up on him
We actually have a safety on our own team that is big enough to man up on him in Aaron Rouse. I don't think Rouse could cover him, but he's a decent matchup in size.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:11 PM
Bishop blows up a screen!! Man this kid is fun to watch!!

princefielder28
08-22-2009, 09:12 PM
Bishop blows up a screen!! Man this kid is fun to watch!!

It's not surprising anymore...he's gonna be a stud in this defense.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:19 PM
TEs looking they're still going to be an issue for us. Brad Jones gets beat for the TD and there goes the shutout. 24-7

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:22 PM
The Flynn is in.

GB12
08-22-2009, 09:23 PM
TEs looking they're still going to be an issue for us. Brad Jones gets beat for the TD and there goes the shutout. 24-7
He's a 7th round former DE that probably won't see the field this year. I wouldn't make a judgement about our team covering TEs from that.

princefielder28
08-22-2009, 09:26 PM
He's a 7th round former DE that probably won't see the field this year. I wouldn't make a judgement about our team covering TEs from that.

Hawk struggled earlier in the night covering the TEs too, just a note.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 09:34 PM
Yikes Breno just got beat bad. The RT spot is probably the biggest problem on the roster.

Makes me wish we traded up 3 more spots to nab Oher!

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:36 PM
Yikes Breno just got beat bad. The RT spot is probably the biggest problem on the roster.

Makes me wish we traded up 3 more spots to nab Oher!

Flynn hurt his arm too. Wish we didn't have him in there with 2nd and 3rd team Oliners going against Bills defenders who are fighting for jobs.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 09:37 PM
Flynn hurt his arm too. Wish we didn't have him in there with 2nd and 3rd team Oliners going against Bills defenders who are fighting for jobs.
Agreed. Just thinking about Brian Brohm being forced into the #2 spot makes me cringe.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:42 PM
Flynn out for the rest of the game. They're calling it a shoulder injury. They have the ice harness on his shoulder....

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:53 PM
TD Sutton. Brohm looked much better on that drive going against street free agents and undrafteds.

princefielder28
08-22-2009, 09:54 PM
Sutton needs to be on the team

jackalope
08-22-2009, 09:54 PM
There's been a lot of praise for Wynn in training camp, but I would rather keep Sutton.

I think Ruvell Martin just held the PAT.

cvv84
08-22-2009, 09:55 PM
There's been a lot of praise for Wynn in training camp, but I would rather keep Sutton.

I think Ruvell Martin just held the PAT.

He did. Flynn's out for the game. Martin's the emergency holder.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 09:57 PM
There's been a lot of praise for Wynn in training camp, but I would rather keep Sutton.

I think Ruvell Martin just held the PAT.

I think we'll keep them both. Lumpkin's a goner though, which sucks cause I like him.

cuzifelt1ikeit
08-22-2009, 09:59 PM
****! my stream cut out. Updates please?! What happened to Collins/Wynn?

i remember watching those last year. where do you watch it at? hook a brother up.

GB12
08-22-2009, 10:00 PM
There's been a lot of praise for Wynn in training camp, but I would rather keep Sutton.
That's been my thought since we signed him. I want to go Grant-Jackson-Sutton. I wouldn't even keep a 4th RB. Let Wynn go and hope Lumpkin passes through to the practice squad.

cuzifelt1ikeit
08-22-2009, 10:02 PM
also why does everyone think nick barnett isnt going to work out? lawrence timmons is only 6-1 236. so size shouldnt be factored in at all

cvv84
08-22-2009, 10:05 PM
also why does everyone think nick barnett isnt going to work out? lawrence timmons is only 6-1 236. so size shouldnt be factored in at all

Who's saying that he won't work out?

cvv84
08-22-2009, 10:18 PM
Thumbs up:

Aaron Rodgers - He looks ready to build upon last years breakout season.

Jermichael Finley - The Packers are making a point to get the ball in his hands.

Allen Barbre - Firmly locked into the #1 RT spot.

Johnny Jolly - Great game but reality, the entire Dline was outstanding.

Desmond Bishop - Good instincts and playmaking ability.

Jarius Wynn - A bit undersized but he keeps improving.

Brandon Chillar - Showed good blitzing ability tonight.

Thumbs Down:

Breno Giacomini - Gave up a sack that injured Matt Flynn.

Jeremy Kapinos - Didn't have a good game punting.

Kregg Lumpkin - Fumbled on his 1st carry, got yanked, then finished the game with 5 carries for -7 yards.

Brian Brohm - Hopefully Flynn isn't seriously injured or the Packers will be scouring the free agent market for QBs.

TitleTown088
08-22-2009, 10:28 PM
Thumbs up:
Jarius Wynn - A bit undersized but he keeps improving.
.

With Harrel being a cupcake, Wynn continuing his good play would be a very nice surprise.

He may he light, but he's very lean and strong. He's got the frame to add more weight too.

cuzifelt1ikeit
08-22-2009, 10:53 PM
Who's saying that he won't work out?

thought i read something about him not fitting the bill on the first page when aj hawk got brought up. i remember people bringing it up when it was first announced we were going to the 34 defense too.. or maybe im just crazy

Boston
08-22-2009, 11:02 PM
Wow. I did not expect our D-line to be this dominating early on. The amount of depth we have right now is absolutely insane, and I'm hoping Thompson has learned what to do with it.

Mr.Regular
08-22-2009, 11:31 PM
i remember watching those last year. where do you watch it at? hook a brother up.
Sent you a PM

Favre4ever
08-23-2009, 08:45 AM
Yikes Breno just got beat bad. The RT spot is probably the biggest problem on the roster.

Makes me wish we traded up 3 more spots to nab Oher!

Breno is still a work in progress, other than that blunder he played a good game. On Grant's biggest run of the game, he took his man out with such ease and overall, he looked better than Babre in pass protect. Babre will start the season but Breno will probably take over sometime during the season, hes just too big and too strong.

cvv84
08-23-2009, 12:03 PM
With Harrel being a cupcake, Wynn continuing his good play would be a very nice surprise.

He may he light, but he's very lean and strong. He's got the frame to add more weight too.

I thought I read something in either the OTAs or early in training camp where they were using Wynn at ROLB when they were short LBs. Both he and Michael Montgomery have really impressed me so far.

cvv84
08-23-2009, 04:15 PM
No official word on Flynn but Collins x-rays on his ribs came back negative. Rouse is also expected to test his hamstring tomorrow. He's listed as day-to-day.