Draft Countdown Re-Launched!

[Scott Wright]

Hey,

I just re-launched the site!

As always I am sure some tweaks will be needed here and there so please let me know if you find typos, errors, broken links or images, etc.

Also, I know it's a little light on features right now but I will have a bunch coming next week including the Dream Draft, Ask Scott, Hot List, and more.

You can follow me on http://twitter.com/DraftCountdown too!

[JFLO]

Woot Woot!

[thebow305]

YAY!!!

I love Mays and Williams being up there, but I'm a little confused about Suh. I know a lot of people are high on him, but I'm not drinking the kool-aid just yet.

LOVE LOVE LOVE the Dolphins pick! Terrence Cody would be my ideal pick and I agree 100% with the explanation!

Great work as always Scott!!

[thebow305]

Just a couple things that stand out to me early on:

The DT Rankings: it doesn't appear you are very high on Gene Atkins and DeMarcus Granger? Definitely thought they would be higher up than that. Especially over guys liek D'Anthony Smith and Tyson Alualu?

And who is Toby Gerhart, and why is he above guys like Starks, Chris Brown, and Lanyae Miller?

[JRTPlaya21]

OMFG YES!!! What a way to kick off the weekend!

[thebow305]

I also LOVE that you have Patrick Robinson in the 1st round and as your top cornerback.

As a Miami fan, I hate to admit it, but this guy is REALLY good and will prove it this year for the Noles. He's from Miami and should have been a Cane, but that's how it goes sometimes lol.

[JRTPlaya21]

Like the offensive line pick for my Skins.

[DHVF]

Tim Tebow makes no sense for the Vikings. It's basically giving Minnesota a QB just for the sake of doing so.

[coordinator0]

Brandon Lafell? Thank you! Gronkowski would also be nice there.

[ncst8fan83]

No Alan-Michael Cash in the DT rankings makes me sad. You need to fix this asap, Scott. Kthnx.

[dpl85]

I'd rather see the cowboys take the top OL available than a #2 WR especially after watching how great our backup OTs are in preseason.

[Scott Wright]

I'd rather see the cowboys take the top OL available than a #2 WR especially after watching how great our backup OTs are in preseason.

A backup offensive tackle in round one? Not very likely.

[marshallb]

Tim Tebow makes no sense for the Vikings. It's basically giving Minnesota a QB just for the sake of doing so.

That is the perfect way to put it and I agree with it entirely.

[JRTPlaya21]

Scott I absolutely applaud you for what you did with Mark Herzlich in your rankings.

[dpl85]

A backup offensive tackle in round one? Not very likely.
If he's any good he wouldn't be a backup for long considering Adams and Colombo are both over 30.

[Bald_81]

Love the Bradford pick. I just hope there are teams ahead of us like Detroit, Oakland, Kansas City, and Tampa Bay which would mean he could fall into our laps (and at lower cost). Great job, Scott!

[Paul]

If he's any good he wouldn't be a backup for long considering Adams and Colombo are both over 30.

Agreed. Colombo is and will be fine for a couple more years, but Flozell has been progressievely getting worse each year. A LT is my top priority for next years draft.

[TitanHope]

Excellent Titans explanation! I'm iffy about the fit with Wootton, but we've had big DE's in the past under Fisher like Kevin Carter. Good pick!

Thank you for including Mark Herzlich. The links and ACS donation ad are perfect.

No Montario Hardesty in your RB rankings? You trippin'...

[Scott Wright]

So what are the Vikings going to do at quarterback in 2010?

* Brett Favre may or may not be back for one more year.

* Tarvaris Jackson will be moving on any day now.

* They obviously have little faith in Sage Rosenfels, who will be 32-years-old next season.

* John David Booty has looked terrible two years in a row now.

[DHVF]

So what are the Vikings going to do at quarterback in 2010?

* Brett Favre may or may not be back for one more year.

* Tarvaris Jackson will be moving on any day now.

* They obviously have little faith in Sage Rosenfels, who will be 32-years-old next season.

* John David Booty has looked terrible two years in a row now.
With how things stand right now you bring back Tarvaris and Sage to compete for the starting spot again next year, as there quite simply will not be many other options. I fail to see how drafting Tebow would have any impact on this quarterback issue as he's nowhere near ready to be a quarterback in the NFL.

[Flyboy]

Love the pick for the Saints, Scott, however I don't feel like CB is an alternate option for us.

[Babylon]

I think you're underrating Bryan Bulaga in terms of athletecism and where he'll go in the draft. Probably the quickest of all the O-linemen. Perception i think hurts his case playing at the same school as Robert Gallery.

[dpl85]

WR to Dallas has become as cliche as WR to Tennessee or OT to Houston the past few years. I'm not saying it won't happen but for whatever reason Jerry seems reluctant to devote that kind of money to a position that often takes awhile to develop and produce dividends. Jerry hasn't taken a WR in round 1 since Alvin Harper in 91.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Hey, the Rams haven't taken a QB since 65, so I would never say never. It is a big need for Dallas though, no doubt.

[PossibleCabbage]

Just curious Scott, how do you determine the draft order for the preseason mock? You have a few teams picking in very different positions than I would expect.

[marshallb]

With how things stand right now you bring back Tarvaris and Sage to compete for the starting spot again next year, as there quite simply will not be many other options. I fail to see how drafting Tebow would have any impact on this quarterback issue as he's nowhere near ready to be a quarterback in the NFL.

Again 100% agree and perfect way to put it. Tebow will not be ready to play at QB in the NFL for at least 2-3 years if ever.

[marshallb]

Just curious Scott, how do you determine the draft order for the preseason mock? You have a few teams picking in very different positions than I would expect.

I believe he said he was going by Vegas's Super Bowl odds.

[vidae]

I love the KC pick.

[Scott Wright]

I used the Vegas odds for the order. The only one I fudged a bit was the Saints.

As for the Vikings, Tarvaris is not going to be a Viking this year, let alone next year, so he isn't in the equation.

I think Favre in 2010 and Tebow in 2011 is a pretty good option.

[DHVF]

I used the Vegas odds for the order. The only one I fudged a bit was the Saints.

As for the Vikings, Tarvaris is not going to be a Viking this year, let alone next year, so he isn't in the equation.

I think Favre in 2010 and Tebow in 2011 is a pretty good option.
Hah well I'd like to see your source for Tarvaris not being a Viking this year, as our other backups have been absolutely putrid at times and Favre isn't looking to be that durable thus far. If we do trade/release TJ as has been reported by some people, we'll be making a big mistake not only this year but next as well.

Also, I highly doubt Favre plays next year and even Tebow in 2011 is a horrible idea. He's such a poor fit in Minnesota that it's funny IMO.

[Cigaro]

Eric Norwood behind Justin Cole? Really?

[PossibleCabbage]

Also, I highly doubt Favre plays next year and even Tebow in 2011 is a horrible idea. He's such a poor fit in Minnesota that it's funny IMO.

I agree that Favre will be going for his third consecutive retirement after this season, but is drafting Tebow to play QB in 2011 any more ridiculous than drafting Tavaris Jackson to play QB in 2006? If the Brad Childress regime is still in place after this year, we shouldn't necessarily expect sensible decisions out of Minnesota as concerns the QB position.

Would anybody disagree that Tim Tebow is more ready to play NFL football as a rookie than Tavaris Jackson was in his rookie season? Neither of them actually played in pro style offenses in college. Tebow at least has the advantage of playing against top talent, and is almost certainly a better athlete.

[Scott Wright]

Oh, I will almost guarantee T-Jack isn't going to be a Viking come Week 1.

Also, what makes Tebow such a poor fit in Minnesota?

[DHVF]

I agree that Favre will be going for his third consecutive retirement after this season, but is drafting Tebow to play QB in 2011 any more ridiculous than drafting Tavaris Jackson to play QB in 2006? If the Brad Childress regime is still in place after this year, we shouldn't necessarily expect sensible decisions out of Minnesota as concerns the QB position.

Would anybody disagree that Tim Tebow is more ready to play NFL football as a rookie than Tavaris Jackson was in his rookie season?
Hah, I think it's funny that people still rag on the Vikings for taking Tarvaris with the last pick of the second round in 06, given his obvious tools and the performance of the quarterbacks drafted both before and after him. Even if you are looking to insult the GM who drafted TJ, he's unemployed as Rick Speilman has been our GM for the past three years.

And that is a tough question, but I would probably disagree given the fact that Tebow needs to rework almost every part of his game if he wants to have any success at the pro level.

[PossibleCabbage]

Just curious Scott, suppose Michael Crabtree went through with his threat to hold out the entire year and re-enter the draft pool in 2010 (something that's looking increasingly possible), where would he have went in this mock? He's probably still a first rounder isn't he?

[Scott Wright]

Just curious Scott, suppose Michael Crabtree went through with his threat to hold out the entire year and re-enter the draft pool in 2010 (something that's looking increasingly possible), where would he have went in this mock? He's probably still a first rounder isn't he?

I probably would have had him to the Jags or Jets, hypothetically.

[DHVF]

Oh, I will almost guarantee T-Jack isn't going to be a Viking come Week 1.

Also, what makes Tebow such a poor fit in Minnesota?
Well we'll see about that when our cuts are announced later today, but if we're smart we'll be cutting JDB and rolling with Favre, T-Jax and Sage.

What doesn't make him a poor fit? Poor throwing mechanics, slow release, average arm, bad footwork, plays in a gimmick offense...etc. Does not fit in with a veteran team looking to win now like the vikings.

[JRTPlaya21]

Crabtree wouldn't sniff the first round if he sat out a year imo.

[DeepThreat]

So what are the Vikings going to do at quarterback in 2010?

* Brett Favre may or may not be back for one more year.

* Tarvaris Jackson will be moving on any day now.

* They obviously have little faith in Sage Rosenfels, who will be 32-years-old next season.

* John David Booty has looked terrible two years in a row now.

And you yourself said that Tebow won't be ready for a couple of years minimum, so how does he help for 2010?

[Scott Wright]

I don't think Tebow is a fit as a starter in 2010 but sooner or later the Vikings have to bring in a long-term solution at quarterback. Let him learn behind Favre or Rosenfels for a year then take over in 2011. He would be the best option they are going to have where they will be picking.

[DHVF]

I don't think Tebow is a fit as a starter in 2010 but sooner or later the Vikings have to bring in a long-term solution at quarterback. Let him learn behind Favre or Rosenfels for a year then take over in 2011. He would be the best option they are going to have where they will be picking.
But to bring in a guy that you're so radically going to have to rework and depending on that kind of project to start for you in his second year is simply recipe for disaster. Holding onto Tarvaris Jackson and hoping he continues his development in our offense would be a better option than that IMO.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I imagine this will be the discussion every mock draft with whichever team Scott gives Tebow to. As mentioned, Tebow is an extremely devisive prospect.

[PossibleCabbage]

I imagine this will be the discussion every mock draft with whichever team Scott gives Tebow to. As mentioned, Tebow is an extremely devisive prospect.

This is definitely the case. I would not want my team to draft Tebow in the first round. In the third round? Okay. But there are an even dozen defensive tackles I'd rather devote a first round pick to instead of Tim Tebow, as great a college player as he is/was.

[CJSchneider]

Loved the 49ers pick at #20 and the Saints pick at #24. I really hope you are wrong about the 49ers pick at #11. Nothing you said about their QB situation was erroneous, however, from what Hill has done in the regular season with what chances he has been given thus far, I am hoping he plays well enough for us to address other needs with that pick. I hope we address the need for a better O-line there.

[Don Vito]

Scott, great work as usual. Love Spikes to the Pats at 32, Mayo and Spikes would be a beastly tandem inside for years. We do need a pass rusher badly, but ILB is certainly a need too and Spikes is a great player as well as a great leader. I like the conservative 40 time projections, better off doing it that way in my opinion.

I hope a couple of Ole Miss guys, CB Marshay Green and FS Kendrick Lewis, work their way onto your rankings. It's early but I think they will end up on there.

[P-L]

I would absolutely love to have Gerald McCoy.

[RaiderNation]

I like the pick, I just really doubt we pick top 5. Dunlap seems like the perfect fit/type of pick for us. Freak athlete at 6-6 290 and we need a all around good DE. If he is anything like Julius Peppers I will be very happy

[marshallb]

Well we'll see about that when our cuts are announced later today, but if we're smart we'll be cutting JDB and rolling with Favre, T-Jax and Sage.

What doesn't make him a poor fit? Poor throwing mechanics, slow release, average arm, bad footwork, plays in a gimmick offense...etc. Does not fit in with a veteran team looking to win now like the vikings.

According to the Star Tribune, Booty has been waived, which would mean we are keeping those 3 guys if that report is accurate. With that move being made, I don't see anyway T-Jack is not on the Vikings roster come week 1.

[Scott Wright]

Even if the Vikes opt to keep T-Jack on the roster this year, which would be a massive mistake chemistry-wise, he is a free agent next offseason and isn't going to want to return to a team that has continually tried to replace him.

[DHVF]

Even if the Vikes opt to keep T-Jack on the roster this year, which would be a massive mistake chemistry-wise, he is a free agent next offseason and isn't going to want to return to a team that has continually tried to replace him.
Wow, you just really want to hate him don't you? There is no issue in our locker room between who our QB should be and Tarvaris is well known as a good locker room guy. Also, depending on the CBA for next year he could be a restricted FA next season and regardless should have a good shot at becoming our starter next season (an opportunity he's not likely to find elsewhere).

Also what happened to that certainty about T-Jack not being on our roster by week 1?

[SuperKevin]

Nice Mock Scott. I wasn't aware Patrick Robinson and Selvish Capers were that highly rated

[Malaka]

My boy Austen Lane needs to be moved up in the DE Rankings 6'7 4.60, he's going to break out this year, I really won't be surprised if he can go from a 6th/7th round pick to an early 3rd rounder.

[TACKLE]

Great Work Scott.

A couple thoughts.

RB - I like your RB rankings. I like that you have Stafon Johnson high but I think he should be even higher. Glad to see you gave both Scott and Gerhart the respect they deserve. Also, Daryll Clark as an RB? Hmmmm. Very interesting. I don't think he's quite the athlete Robinson was.

TE - I think Dennis Pita should be higher.

OT - Glad to see you have Tony Washington up there. He has some big time potential and I am very intrigued by him. Jason Fox is ranked right where he should be. I like Williams over Okung and have been leaning that way recently. I'm not entirely sold on Capers, but you know teams will love his athleticism.

G - No complaints. Iupati and Asamoah, to me are clearly the top 2 guards. Good see you haven't overrated Brandon Carter and Sergio Render like so many others have. One thing is I think Zane Beadles should be higher. I'm a big fan of his though.

C - I think Chris Hall should be higher but other than that it looks good.

DE - Top 3 is solid. I'd put both Hughes and Selvie over Sapp. I know Sapp has excellent speed and explosion but he's failed to convert it into production on the field. I think Jammie Kirlew is way too low and I think CJ Wilson should be higher as well.

CB - I really like your CB rankings. Robinson is clearly the best senior CB in my eyes. There's a lot to like about Ghee and Wilson. I'm glad to see you had Murphy up there. I'm am really high on him and he's my #2 senior corner. My one issue would be that Al Verner from UCLA should be a bit higher.



Do you have access to the National Scouting Report?

[Thumper]

^^^
Just a few days ago you said Ras-I Dowling was the best CB in the draft...

[SuperKevin]

^^^
Just a few days ago you said Ras-I Dowling was the best CB in the draft...

Isn't Dowling a junior? He says Robinson is the top SENIOR CB

[TACKLE]

^^^
Just a few days ago you said Ras-I Dowling was the best CB in the draft...

Dowling is a junior.

I said

Robinson is clearly the best senior CB in my eyes

[TACKLE]

Isn't Dowling a junior? He says Robinson is the top SENIOR CB

Thanks SK. You beat me to it. I know you got my back.

[scottyboy]

Ryan D'Imperio? :(

[Thumper]

:D I was testing SK's reading skills...

My bad.

[Scott Wright]

There is no issue in our locker room between who our QB should be and Tarvaris is well known as a good locker room guy.

That's the problem. There are guys in the locker room who think he should be starting. That is not a good situation. Also, the reason I "hate" him is because he has proven time and time again that he isn't a starting-caliber quarterback in the NFL. At least not for a contender.

[awfullyquiet]

That's the problem. There are guys in the locker room who think he should be starting. That is not a good situation. Also, the reason I "hate" him is because he has proven time and time again that he isn't a starting-caliber quarterback in the NFL. At least not for a contender.

it really is amazing that booty hasn't made the strides necessary.

or leinart... one can only hope on sanchez.

wait. this just in... they release booty. (six minutes ago)

[CashmoneyDrew]

Scott, how do you feel about Montario Hardesty? If he stays healthy and lives up to his potential, where do you see him eventually falling in your rankings?

[Scott Wright]

it really is amazing that booty hasn't made the strides necessary.

or leinart... one can only hope on sanchez.

wait. this just in... they release booty. (six minutes ago)

It is pretty amazing how poorly most of the Trojans, at all positions, have fared in the NFL.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Carson Palmer is still alive and kicking! But yeah, USC hasn't really faired well I guess.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Lendale White has been solid.

[Hurricanes25]

Its pretty strange to see so many guys from USC bust considering they run a pro style offense. (At least offensive players anyways)

[Thumper]

That Troy Polamalu character has been alright.

[Scott Wright]

Palmer and Polamalu were basically pre-Carroll though.

They certainly haven't all been busts but a lot of them haven't lived up to expectations.


2008
1 7 7 Sedrick Ellis Saints DT
1 9 9 Keith Rivers Bengals LB
1 21 21 Sam Baker Falcons T
1 28 28 Lawrence Jackson Seahawks DE
2 8 39 Chilo Rachal 49ers G
2 17 48 Fred Davis Redskins TE
2 32 63 Terrell Thomas Giants DB
5 2 137 John David Booty Vikings QB
5 20 155 Thomas Williams Jaguars LB
7 6 213 Chauncey Washington Jaguars RB

2007
2 13 45 Dwayne Jarrett Panthers WR
2 19 51 Steve Smith Giants WR
2 27 59 Ryan Kalil Panthers C
5 6 143 Dallas Sartz Redskins LB
7 1 211 Oscar Lua Patriots LB

2006
1 2 2 Reggie Bush Saints RB
1 10 10 Matt Leinart Cardinals QB
2 7 39 Winston Justice Eagles T
2 9 41 Taitusi (Deuce) Lutui Cardinals G
2 13 45 LenDale White Titans RB
3 27 91 Frostee Rucker Bengals DE
3 29 93 Dominique Byrd Rams TE
4 4 101 Darnell Bing Raiders DB
5 31 163 David Kirtman Seahawks RB
6 35 204 LaJuan Ramsey Eagles DT
7 9 217 Fred Matua Lions G

2005s
5 0 0 Manuel Wright Dolphins DT

2005
1 10 10 Mike Williams Lions WR
1 31 31 Mike Patterson Eagles DT
2 5 37 Shaun Cody Lions DT
2 13 45 Lofa Tatupu Seahawks LB
7 16 230 Matt Cassel Patriots QB

2004
1 20 20 Kenechi Udeze Vikings DE
2 20 52 Jacob Rogers Cowboys T
2 30 62 Keary Colbert Panthers WR
4 6 102 Will Poole Dolphins DB

[PossibleCabbage]

Sure, there have been USC players to work out in the draft in recent memory, but Lawrence Jackson, Chilo Rachal, Fred Davis, Terrell Thomas, John David Booty, Thomas Williams, Chauncey Washington, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, Dallas Sartz, Oscar Lua, Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Winston Justice, Frostee Rucker, Dominique Byrd, Darnell Bing, David Kirtman, LaJuan Ramsey, Fred Matua, Mike Williams, Mide Patterson, Shaun Cody, Jacob Rogers, Keary Colbert, and Will Poole probably wish there was more success for the Trojans at the next level.

[yodapoop]

Sam Bradford is a brilliant pick if we are drafting #2, and I think thats the area we will be in too, so nice job on the Rams.

[DHVF]

That's the problem. There are guys in the locker room who think he should be starting. That is not a good situation. Also, the reason I "hate" him is because he has proven time and time again that he isn't a starting-caliber quarterback in the NFL. At least not for a contender.
Hah that was just another report linked to unnamed sources. The only player who has ever really spoken out in favor of Jackson is Ray Edwards, so if that is the divisive personality that is splitting apart the locker room, I'm not worried. Everything to come out lately has been in support of Favre as everyone realizes that he gives our team the best chance at winning it all. And I love how it has only taken 19 starts for him to prove "time and time again that he isn't a starting-caliber quarterback in the NFL."

Now I'm not calling him a savior, but I am saying that he still remains a possibility for the future as he is only 26 and has demonstrated steady improvement through his first three years in the NFL.

[yodapoop]

Hah that was just another report linked to unnamed sources. The only player who has ever really spoken out in favor of Jackson is Ray Edwards, so if that is the divisive personality that is splitting apart the locker room, I'm not worried. Everything to come out lately has been in support of Favre as everyone realizes that he gives our team the best chance at winning it all. And I love how it has only taken 19 starts for him to prove "time and time again that he isn't a starting-caliber quarterback in the NFL."

Now I'm not calling him a savior, but I am saying that he still remains a possibility for the future as he is only 26 and has demonstrated steady improvement through his first three years in the NFL.

The other day I saw DHVF selling Tavaris Jackson kool-aid on the street corner, I swear. It was good.

[scottyboy]

wait, people know that Terrell Thomas has been pretty damn good for us and was a rookie last year, right? you can't judge him in the group of USC failures. Same with Steve Smith. Come on cabbage, you're wrong on like half that list

[Abaddon]

Dunlap would be a big help. If they could find a starting caliber DT somewhere...anywhere...the defense might stand half a chance.

I like the pick, I just really doubt we pick top 5. Dunlap seems like the perfect fit/type of pick for us. Freak athlete at 6-6 290 and we need a all around good DE. If he is anything like Julius Peppers I will be very happy

Really no reason to expect that Oakland wouldn't be drafting high. Top 10 is pretty much a certainty.

[JRTPlaya21]

Cabbage we just got Fred Davis, so wait a little bit to pass judgement. And Scott, maybe the forum should say discuss the 2010 draft lol.

[JT Jag]

Good mock, Scott, but I think the Jaguars will surprise everyone with the performance of their wide receivers this year.

I could see the Jaguars picking someone like Taylor Mays or Suh if either of them fall. At that spot I'd think that new Jags GM Gene Smith would want to cement his hold on the team by bringing in "his" quarterback, Jevan Snead.

He'd have the advantage of playing under veteran David Garrard for a year. Garrard's contract isn't a problem--- all of his guaranteed money comes off the books after the 2009 season. And besides, Smith has shown that bad contracts won't get in the way of improving the team.

[Cicero]

Scott how much consideration did you give to making Snead the Seahawks 2nd pick? After this season Hasselbeck has 1 year left on his contract and he's old and breaking down. This draft is pretty deep at RB and I think we can get a starter in round 2. To me, leaving this draft with a franchise QB is my number 1 priority.

[diabsoule]

I would LOVE for the Saints to draft Sean Weatherspoon.

[Thumper]

Scott since nobody told me anything about Patrick Robinson in the corners thread and seeing as you're the expert I figure I'll go ahead and ask you. What is you preliminary scouting report/analysis of Robinson? I'm highly interested in him because he is so highly rated by you and others but I've yet to find any analysis on him.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Scott since nobody told me anything about Patrick Robinson in the corners thread and seeing as you're the expert I figure I'll go ahead and ask you. What is you preliminary scouting report/analysis of Robinson? I'm highly interested in him because he is so highly rated by you and others but I've yet to find any analysis on him.

He's been a big playmaker, very disciplined, excellent head on his shoulders, and easily could run about a 4.4 40. At 5'11, 194, he is an ideal height for a CB as well, and has had the opportunity to make plays. As stated last night, he's in that conversation with other FSU corners like Deion Sanders and TBuck. Returned the first ever FSU blocked PAT for a point. Add on some solid kick returning skills, and you just have a very polished, mature looking player out there. He may not quite have the upside of some of the high end playmaking CBs (Joe Haden, Ras-I Dowling, etc,) he is much more polished at this point in his college career.

[ncst8fan83]

I seriously don't think there is a single franchise QB in this class. Taking any QB in the top 15 would be a colossal mistake in my opinion. Sam Bradford at #2 is a freaking joke. Chad Pennington part deux. Snead...I dunno, I don't really see it. Colt LOOKS a bit fragile to me. Drew Brees does too, so that doesn't say much, but it COULD hamper him. Tebow is a freakin' winner and a hard-nosed football player that every team needs, but is he a 1st rounder as anything? Especially QB.

Also, those big boy college QB's haven't faired too well in the NFL lately. Brady and to a lesser extent Manning come from storied programs...but besides them who has really done much? Carson Palmer from USC. My point is I think we get caught up in the big name hype and don't really see the David Garrards and Kurt Warners and Tony Romo's of the world. I, for one, would HATE it if my team took any of these QB's before pick 15-20.

And that's what I think about that! :)

[tjsunstein]

I seriously don't think there is a single franchise QB in this class. Taking any QB in the top 15 would be a colossal mistake in my opinion. Sam Bradford at #2 is a freaking joke. Chad Pennington part deux. Snead...I dunno, I don't really see it. Colt LOOKS a bit fragile to me. Drew Brees does too, so that doesn't say much, but it COULD hamper him. Tebow is a freakin' winner and a hard-nosed football player that every team needs, but is he a 1st rounder as anything? Especially QB.

Also, those big boy college QB's haven't faired too well in the NFL lately. Brady and to a lesser extent Manning come from storied programs...but besides them who has really done much? Carson Palmer from USC. My point is I think we get caught up in the big name hype and don't really see the David Garrards and Kurt Warners and Tony Romo's of the world. I, for one, would HATE it if my team took any of these QB's before pick 15-20.

And that's what I think about that! :)

Chad Pennington has the highest completion percentage in NFL history, and his QB rating over 20 yards is 92.1 or something like that. I just read it in the interesting facts thread in the Pro Football Forums. I'm sure any team picking at #2 wouldn't mind that.

[keylime_5]

Like the Mays pick. Browns have so many options next year it seems at this point: S, OLB, RT, RG, WR, RB, TE, maybe even DE, ILB, or CB if they are BPA. I think safety might be the biggest need though, other than OLB probably (depends on Wimbley and Hall this year).

[scottyboy]

Scott how much consideration did you give to making Snead the Seahawks 2nd pick? After this season Hasselbeck has 1 year left on his contract and he's old and breaking down. This draft is pretty deep at RB and I think we can get a starter in round 2. To me, leaving this draft with a franchise QB is my number 1 priority.

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[Cicero]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/106643/t1_teel.jpg

I knew you were gonna do that haha. After cuts we lost 50% of the Rutgers players on our roster. :eek: