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gstock05
09-06-2009, 09:51 PM
Ohio Quarterback Braxton miller. If you haven't heard of him yet, you likely will start hearing about him very soon. Already has offers from just about every major school in the nation, yet he hardly even played as a sophomore (most of the offers were based off his freshman year performance + 3-4 sophomore games prior to injury).


6'2- 4.4 forty, lightning quick release, great accuracy, awesome arm strength. Literally, there is only 1 possible weakness one could point out with him, and that being he could potentially be an inch or two taller (although he'd likely lose some agility).

His highlight tape would be one of the top in the country based on throwing ability, or running ability.

Highlight reel is linked below

http://scoutingohio.com/index.php/view-profile.html?task=userProfile&user=1526&srid=1813&name=Braxton.Miller

Keep in mind all of this is either sophomore or freshman game film. Un-Real.

brat316
09-06-2009, 10:32 PM
we'll see, there will be guys who come along.

Hollywood
09-06-2009, 11:24 PM
I prefer Teddy Bridgewater. The difference in the two is while Miller might be the slightly better runner he always seems to be looking to run while Bridgewater is always looking to throw.

gstock05
09-07-2009, 02:38 AM
I prefer Teddy Bridgewater. The difference in the two is while Miller might be the slightly better runner he always seems to be looking to run while Bridgewater is always looking to throw.

Meh, I do agree that Bridgewater seems to want to pass more often, but on the passes that Miller throws, they're crisper, come out quicker, and he throws incredibly accurately to covered people. Most of bridgewater's passes (i havent seen as good highlights of him to be fair) were pretty rediculous as well, although I would say Miller is a little bit better of a runner. I think they're honestly 1a and 1b, but not even being a homer, I think between Bridgewater and Miller, they're probably both the best quarterback prospects in a long long time. And yes, I do think they're both better prospects than Terrelle Pryor. (perhaps not better overall athletes, but in terms of complete qb prospects.... they're both on a different level)


Regardless, Miller is the best quarterback prospect to have ever come out of ohio, and most of that is being based on freshman highlights.

brat316
09-07-2009, 11:29 AM
You saying they are better than Matt Barkley, the man with the cannon.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
09-07-2009, 11:43 AM
Braxton Miller's release looks weird like Pryor's.

EDIT: Bridgewater has a much more fluid motion.

JFLO
09-07-2009, 12:15 PM
I like Miller as the best quarterback, but not the best prospect overall.

I really haven't narrowed it down to #1 but my top three are Aaron Green, Ray Drew and George Farmer.

BamaFalcon59
09-07-2009, 12:35 PM
Dominique Terrell from Virginia is a Percy Harvin clone.

LB Curtis Grant from Virginia will be a top LB.

Virginia OT Landon Turner is one of the top OL nationally, and he didn't even play last season.

ToldLikeItIs
09-07-2009, 02:50 PM
From a physical standpoint.

Jadaveon Clowney.

gstock05
09-07-2009, 10:02 PM
Braxton Miller's release looks weird like Pryor's.

EDIT: Bridgewater has a much more fluid motion.

Completely not the case. Pryor had a very side arm motion and wasn't a "quick" thrower.


Miller has an over-the top motion that releases as quick as just about any prospect in the country, and his passes zip out in perfect spirals.


Like I mentioned, I think Bridgewater and Miller are 1a and 1b, but I do think they're both better than Barkley was last year.

BRAVEHEART
09-07-2009, 10:30 PM
In no specific order...

Christian Westerman
James Vaughters
DeAnthony Thomas
Aaron Green
James Wilder Jr.
Austin Seferian Jenkins
George Farmer
Tim Jernigan
Teddy Bridgewater
Kasen Williams

Jericho@SC
09-08-2009, 03:59 PM
You guys must not know about the Black Mamba. DeAnthony Thomas from Crenshaw runs a 10.6 already as a Junior and will probably be the fastest RB from California.

Here's a highlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMbhjzAWQuA

He and Aaron Green will contend for the top spot and overall #1. SC has a good shot at both of them.

As for Miller, I like his film. He does have good running ability and has a quicker release than Pryor. I definitely need to see more film of him passing, and in better quality. It's hard to see if his passes have that much zip or accuracy to then, and his mechanics I won't judge until I see them closer.

Jericho@SC
09-08-2009, 04:04 PM
Gstock, is Miller a lock to go to OSU? If Pryor leaves after his junior year, Miller could step right in as a freshman.

P-L
09-08-2009, 04:24 PM
Gstock, is Miller a lock to go to OSU? If Pryor leaves after his junior year, Miller could step right in as a freshman.
Miller has been a Buckeye for years now. It's not a matter of if, but when.

Geomar
10-08-2009, 12:19 PM
How bout throwing Savon Huggins (RB from NJ) and Daniel Lasco (RB from TX) out there in this discussion. Both are damn good.

gstock05
10-09-2009, 07:49 AM
I caught a little of Bridgewater on espn while I was out at the bar the other night. I still say Braxton is a much better prospect. No disrespect to Bridgewater, but his throwing motion is long and he hasn't great mechanics.


I don't think Miller is a completely polished product alike to Matt Barkley and Jimmy Clausen, but I think he's got more raw potential than just about any quarterback I've ever seen. If we're comparing the differences between Miller and Bridgewater, I'd say they're both approximately the same on the field, although I'd say Miller has a much quicker release along with better overall accuracy.

Once again, this is partially conjecture based on highlight reels (which can't go to far considering they don't show the "bad" plays), but I can't think of a player i'd rather have than Miller right now.

wicket
10-09-2009, 08:34 AM
In no specific order...

Christian Westerman
James Vaughters
DeAnthony Thomas
Aaron Green
James Wilder Jr.
Austin Seferian Jenkins
George Farmer
Tim Jernigan
Teddy Bridgewater
Kasen Williams

I can agree with this list pretty much

AkiliSmith
10-09-2009, 08:54 AM
Cross Miller off your lists guys. He has been terrible and is now suspended the rest of the season for punching his girlfriend in the hallway at school.

gstock05
10-09-2009, 04:34 PM
Cross Miller off your lists guys. He has been terrible and is now suspended the rest of the season for punching his girlfriend in the hallway at school.

Where did you get this baloney from? Don't tell me you read bucknuts. That was a nasty rumor started on bucknuts... that is completely false. He's had a deep thigh bruise the past 2 games.. thats why he hasnt played.

AkiliSmith
10-09-2009, 11:48 PM
Where did you get this baloney from? Don't tell me you read bucknuts. That was a nasty rumor started on bucknuts... that is completely false. He's had a deep thigh bruise the past 2 games.. thats why he hasnt played.
I live in the same city he plays football. I live next door to the head coach. I have brothers that go to high school with him. It isn't a rumor, it is 100% fact.

BadHabitz
10-10-2009, 01:12 AM
It's kind of sad when you go around spreading rumors (and yes they are rumors until proven by an official source) about kids... not adults, but kids in high school. Especially someone who is not even a senior yet.

Raiderz4Life
10-10-2009, 01:32 AM
http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/hshuddle/entries/2009/10/09/wayne_freshman_gets_nod_over_m.html

That's from today's game...he's not suspended....idiot

TitanHope
10-10-2009, 01:43 AM
It's kind of sad when you go around spreading rumors (and yes they are rumors until proven by an official source) about kids... not adults, but kids in high school. Especially someone who is not even a senior yet.

Welcome to the interwebz!

Srsly though, get off your high horse. AkiliSmith lives in the area, and another outlet has said it as well. If you want Rivals or Scout to report it before you believe it, then right on bro. But don't get on anyone's case who, as far as they know, aren't spreading rumors but factual information.

Besides, the amount of media attention that these high profile recruits get puts them in the spotlight. When that happens, they become a target for discussion - especially on a recruiting forum. If Miller did in fact assault his girlfriend, and he's considered to be one of the best high school players in the country, then the issue should be looked at further.

AkiliSmith
10-10-2009, 07:37 AM
It's kind of sad when you go around spreading rumors (and yes they are rumors until proven by an official source) about kids... not adults, but kids in high school. Especially someone who is not even a senior yet.
Why would I, a 25 almost 26 year old Police Officer, intentionally start rumors about a 16 or 17 year old boy? What is my motive? I don't have a motive, because I didn't realize the ******** rumor that he was hurt is being spread around to not screw over his career. Everyone that ya know, actually lives in the area and goes to school with him knows the truth. Just because Dayton Daily doesn't have a front page article doesn't mean it's not true.

My brother has talked to people who saw the incident go down in the hallway. My father has spoken to dads of other players and they know it's true. I'm not making this up, I have no reason to. He punched the girl, a teacher saw it and Miller said, "Don't you know who I am?" As far as I know criminal charges are going to be filed but there is no way of proving it because he's a juvenile and it's not public record.

It's kind of sad that they only suspended him for 2.5 games though when it was supposed to be the rest of the season. I guess they realized they were crap without him after going 0-2.

wicket
10-10-2009, 07:51 AM
Why would I, a 25 almost 26 year old Police Officer, intentionally start rumors about a 16 or 17 year old boy? What is my motive? I don't have a motive, because I didn't realize the ******** rumor that he was hurt is being spread around to not screw over his career. Everyone that ya know, actually lives in the area and goes to school with him knows the truth. Just because Dayton Daily doesn't have a front page article doesn't mean it's not true.

My brother has talked to people who saw the incident go down in the hallway. My father has spoken to dads of other players and they know it's true. I'm not making this up, I have no reason to. He punched the girl, a teacher saw it and Miller said, "Don't you know who I am?" As far as I know criminal charges are going to be filed but there is no way of proving it because he's a juvenile and it's not public record.

It's kind of sad that they only suspended him for 2.5 games though when it was supposed to be the rest of the season. I guess they realized they were crap without him after going 0-2.

oh the decline of the values of the law enforcement. but seriously arent you a bit old to say how old you almost are with your actual age.

AkiliSmith
10-10-2009, 08:00 AM
oh the decline of the values of the law enforcement. but seriously arent you a bit old to say how old you almost are with your actual age.
Oh sorry sir when is the cut off of age when you can stop saying almost? I didn't realize there was a cut off but I'll make sure I follow it for now on so the internetz police don't come get me.

How is it a decline in values for me to state fact?

wicket
10-10-2009, 08:29 AM
Oh sorry sir when is the cut off of age when you can stop saying almost? I didn't realize there was a cut off but I'll make sure I follow it for now on so the internetz police don't come get me.

How is it a decline in values for me to state fact?

i was making a joke

AkiliSmith
10-10-2009, 08:52 AM
i was making a joke
Oh my bad......

wicket
10-10-2009, 09:00 AM
Oh my bad......

you know I want my rep back right?

JFLO
10-10-2009, 09:03 AM
you know I want my rep back right?

thats all that matters

freeupfreeney
11-08-2009, 05:11 AM
You guys must not know about the Black Mamba. DeAnthony Thomas from Crenshaw runs a 10.6 already as a Junior and will probably be the fastest RB from California.

Here's a highlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMbhjzAWQuA

He and Aaron Green will contend for the top spot and overall #1. SC has a good shot at both of them.

As for Miller, I like his film. He does have good running ability and has a quicker release than Pryor. I definitely need to see more film of him passing, and in better quality. It's hard to see if his passes have that much zip or accuracy to then, and his mechanics I won't judge until I see them closer.

I went to crenshaw high, they gets not love, Coach Garret can be a douce sometimes. The only guy drafted from thier is Brandon Meabane and Antoine Applewhite on from the practice squad who was one of my best friends

SickwithIt1010
02-12-2010, 01:17 AM
got kind of a hitch in his throw similiar to VY's.

Russell Sheppard type player maybe?

Da Big Harv
02-15-2010, 03:03 AM
#1 prospect James Wilder Jr or Christian Lemay or Christian Westerman

gstock05
02-23-2010, 12:09 PM
Christian Lemay was pretty good from the highlights I saw, but I'd definitely say Miller has the higher upside.

Gchu83
02-23-2010, 01:40 PM
You guys must not know about the Black Mamba. DeAnthony Thomas from Crenshaw runs a 10.6 already as a Junior and will probably be the fastest RB from California.

Here's a highlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMbhjzAWQuA

He and Aaron Green will contend for the top spot and overall #1. SC has a good shot at both of them.

As for Miller, I like his film. He does have good running ability and has a quicker release than Pryor. I definitely need to see more film of him passing, and in better quality. It's hard to see if his passes have that much zip or accuracy to then, and his mechanics I won't judge until I see them closer.

Green may not even be the best prospect in Texas. Malcolm Brown is an absolute stud. Most are saying he's the 2nd best RB prospect out of Texas since AP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TFe68uBDXU

George Lippard
02-23-2010, 02:37 PM
Not sure how or why grown men can be so obsessed with teenage amateur athletes.

_______

Is that kid looking at Ohio State or what?

cdub11
02-23-2010, 02:41 PM
Green may not even be the best prospect in Texas. Malcolm Brown is an absolute stud. Most are saying he's the 2nd best RB prospect out of Texas since AP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TFe68uBDXU

Completely agree Brown >>>>>>> Green

GoRavens
02-23-2010, 03:18 PM
arent you a bit old to say how old you almost are with your actual age.

-_____- LOL

sbh15
02-23-2010, 04:58 PM
Not sure how or why grown men can be so obsessed with teenage amateur athletes.

_______

Is that kid looking at Ohio State or what?

Yeah, we're obsessed. You're so much cooler for not following recruiting, it's unfathomable.

George Lippard
02-23-2010, 11:22 PM
Yeah, we're obsessed. You're so much cooler for not following recruiting, it's unfathomable.

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

You're good so far. ;)

LetsGoGiants!
03-07-2010, 07:20 PM
What do you guys think of Cole Stoudt?

I watched this little highlight clip and he looked pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfXuGk_bVU

LetsGoGiants!
03-07-2010, 07:21 PM
Also Jeff Driskel. I haven't seen any highlight videos. But he's been getting offers from high caliber schools.

keylime_5
03-07-2010, 07:25 PM
What do you guys think of Cole Stoudt?

I watched this little highlight clip and he looked pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfXuGk_bVU

Stoudt got hurt which is why he doesn't have a ton of early offers yet. 2nd or 3rd best QB in Ohio this year, but any other year he'd be the top instate QB. Cardale Jones from Glenville has a higher upside but Stoudt is no slouch himself and might be better right now. His older brother Zach plays for Louisville.

LetsGoGiants!
03-07-2010, 07:29 PM
Stoudt got hurt which is why he doesn't have a ton of early offers yet. 2nd or 3rd best QB in Ohio this year, but any other year he'd be the top instate QB. Cardale Jones from Glenville has a higher upside but Stoudt is no slouch himself and might be better right now. His older brother Zach plays for Louisville.

Oh, thanks for the update. Do you know what sort of injury he was dealing with?

I liked how he throws and scrambles as well and was hoping to see more of him later on in the next level.

America
03-07-2010, 08:22 PM
I like Miller as the best quarterback, but not the best prospect overall.

I really haven't narrowed it down to #1 but my top three are Aaron Green, Ray Drew and George Farmer.

Aaron Green is way overrated. Malcolm Brown is a far superior back. He can do it all.

I like Cyrus Kouandjio, James Wilder. Jr. and Christian Westerman right now.

keylime_5
03-07-2010, 11:03 PM
Oh, thanks for the update. Do you know what sort of injury he was dealing with?

I liked how he throws and scrambles as well and was hoping to see more of him later on in the next level.

he had a broken leg I believe.

LetsGoGiants!
03-08-2010, 09:04 AM
he had a broken leg I believe.

Thanks for the updates. I hope he recovers well.

gstock05
03-08-2010, 01:38 PM
Thanks for the updates. I hope he recovers well.

His dad was also a quarterback in college I believe (and maybe even pro, but can't remember off the top of my head).


As it's been said, Stoudt picked the wrong year to be a quarterback. I can't remember a quarterback class this strong in a long long time. There is a LOT of talent, and not even all of it is known all too well. Jerard Randall is ranked #5 in the state of Florida alone, but his highlights are pretty sick, and his ability is off the charts. I would say the top 3 quarterbacks in Ohio can each be top 12 talents in most years, but stoudt and perhaps jones may drop a bit due to the high volume of talented quarterbacks.

LetsGoGiants!
03-09-2010, 09:02 PM
Sorry, I just have one more question for someone who could shed some light on it. All the players here have completed their senior year this past fall or their junior?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2602

keylime_5
03-09-2010, 09:31 PM
they are juniors and have one more year of high school football before they sign their letters of intent. Guys like Seantrel Henderson and those who just signed with schools last month graduate this year and play college ball this fall.

LetsGoGiants!
03-10-2010, 05:56 PM
Thank you once again Keylime. I really appreciate all the answers. Its just high school football isn't nearly as big up here in Canada as it is down there and its a bit foggy for me.

Plat
03-29-2010, 04:03 AM
The kid Braxton Miller looks good on the highlight film, but then again it is a highlight film, so is this kid a better prospect (as a QB) than Terrelle Pryor was? and was that girl punching incident ever proven to be true?

wicket
03-29-2010, 06:52 AM
im not sure yet but i like kiehl frazier even better I think

gstock05
03-30-2010, 10:31 AM
The kid Braxton Miller looks good on the highlight film, but then again it is a highlight film, so is this kid a better prospect (as a QB) than Terrelle Pryor was? and was that girl punching incident ever proven to be true?

I've never heard anything of it aside from a rumor from people who supposedly go to his school.

I wouldn't compare him to Pryor. Pryor was incredibly raw as a passer coming out of highschool, but was just such a freak athlete with his size and speed that he dominated.

Braxton compares to Russel Shepard, but a much better passer then Shepard ever was. Same goes for pryor.

JFLO
03-30-2010, 11:40 AM
I think I'm still sold on Clowney being the inital #1 guy in '11.

I'm bored before class, so these are my top guys at positions in '11.

QB - LeMay
RB - Black Mamba, although I think Malcolm Brown is going to take over by season's end.
WR - Farmer
TE - Koyack
OL - Cyrus Koujidano
DE - Clowney
DT - Anthony Johnson
LB - Lawrence Thomas
CB - Doran Grant
S - Karlos Williams

Out of those guys, I think DeAnthony Thomas has the best chance to take over #1 from Clowney but would also keep an eye out for Farmer.

DeathbyStat
03-30-2010, 11:57 AM
You guys must not know about the Black Mamba. DeAnthony Thomas from Crenshaw runs a 10.6 already as a Junior and will probably be the fastest RB from California.

Here's a highlight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMbhjzAWQuA

He and Aaron Green will contend for the top spot and overall #1. SC has a good shot at both of them.

As for Miller, I like his film. He does have good running ability and has a quicker release than Pryor. I definitely need to see more film of him passing, and in better quality. It's hard to see if his passes have that much zip or accuracy to then, and his mechanics I won't judge until I see them closer.



Thomas...reggie bush esque

LetsGoGiants!
03-30-2010, 04:27 PM
Kiehl Frazier and Braxton Miller are going to be competing for the top Dual Threat QB. Maybe even Teddy Bridgewater but he doesn't have great arm strength. As for Pro Style I'd say that it's up for Jeff Driskel, Christian Lemay or maybe Max Wittek.

colfanmat14
04-24-2010, 06:48 PM
Here goes my first post...

For what it's worth, Scout.com recently moved Miller up to #4 overall in the class of 2011. Honestly, after viewing his film and looking up his measurables a month or so ago, I was ready to anoint him my preliminary #1 in the class. However, I think something that gets a bit lost in recruit rankings/ratings is that any analyst, whether fan or professional, is (perhaps subconsciously) at least somewhat considering pro potential. This, I believe, is only increasing as the NFL draft gets bigger and bigger.

My point: so I'm "analyzing" Miller, and he seems like a dream-QB; check-marks in every possible category except for height, and above all that arm is an absolute rocket. Thing is though, while of course arm strength is important, it really applies much more towards pro potential. Chase Daniel, for example, was a great college QB (for a year, at least) with a pop gun for an arm and average measurables across the board. Matthew Stafford, on the other hand, certainly seemed like your prototypical classic QB; a dream recruit. Yet it took 3 years for those latent skills to manifest themselves into actual production while guys like Russell Wilson of NC State and Willie Tuitama of Arizona experienced statistical success from the getgo, albeit without NFL potential.

I think this "theory" also applies to Aaron Green; people in the scouting community seem to be getting generally a bit down on him with the main knock usually being "lack of size/bulk." Again, as an NFL prospect, give me the RB-specimen Malcolm Brown, easily. But for the college game, many, many truly great RBs have been pretty tiny: Kendall Hunter, Quizz Rodgers, and especially Dexter McCluster (5'6, 170) come to mind.

keylime_5
04-24-2010, 06:54 PM
Miller is about 6'2", but is listed as tall as 6'3" and 6'4". Nothing wrong with his height for a guy as athletic with that big of an arm. Mike Vick was only 6'0" tall and the #1 overall pick in the draft. I don't think anyone would have had a problem if he was #1 overall in the recruiting rankings. Tim Tebow wasn't a great pro prospect in terms of his skills translating to the next level, but looking back there is no question he was the #1 overall player from the 2006 recruiting class.