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RexGrossmans-cheesecake
09-07-2009, 12:02 PM
Matthew Stafford has been named the starting QB for the Lions. Discuss.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4452545

CC.SD
09-07-2009, 12:04 PM
Well he can't do any worse than Carr did. Calvin will save him.

Sniper
09-07-2009, 12:04 PM
Bad choice.

CashmoneyDrew
09-07-2009, 12:04 PM
I don't like the move to be honest. I felt Culpepper was a bit better from what I saw this preseason. Stafford and the Lions are going to take their lumps early that's for sure. I just hope he doesn't get killed behind that line. Patience is key with Stafford.

JFLO
09-07-2009, 12:07 PM
I don't see the big problem in the move. They drafted him for a reason and if it looks like he can't grasp on to the speed then just take him out and put Culpepper in for a couple of weeks.

CC.SD
09-07-2009, 12:11 PM
Culpepper is hurt right now, right? Something about stitches and violent carpeting...

Calvin & Kevin
09-07-2009, 12:13 PM
It's risky but believe me folks, Stafford has things that Daunte does not have.

Daunte's foot injury might be coming into play here, but assuming it's not, the Lions are showing that they are letting it all hang out and going after the reward of big plays. Also, Stafford to CJ will scare teams more and open up the run game. As long as Matt can keep the TD-to-INT ratio around 1-1 and avoid getting hurt, I believe it's the right move.

Edit: CC.SD - Carr? What?! I oughta hit your rep for that. But I'll be nice, it's a holiday.

P-L
09-07-2009, 12:17 PM
Daunte isn't going to be 100% to start the season so I'm sure the injury probably played a part in it. Culpepper was better in the preseason, but not so much better that he significantly improves our chances to win. Stafford will be fine, he's ready.

WMD
09-07-2009, 12:25 PM
I like what I saw from Stafford, but I would've liked to go with Culpepper for at least the first half of the year.

We're gonna have a bad year either way, so might as well get Stafford some experience I suppose. Our defense will be pretty bad and I don't think we'll have a very good run game (not high on Kevin Smith) but as long as Stafford throws it to Calvin every play we should have a chance to win some games.

Iamcanadian
09-07-2009, 12:25 PM
Stafford will throw a lot of Interceptions and shouldn't be starting unless Culpepper is a no go.Personally, I think Stafford should sit the whole year unless injuries come into play. He is not close to being able to start at this time. Teams run the exhibition season with vanilla defenses showing very little of what they will use during the regular season. Stafford will have a huge adjustment to reading the defense quickly and picking up his secondary receivers. It is going to be ugly until he learns to read defenses and find his secondary receivers quickly.

Jakey
09-07-2009, 12:43 PM
People said this about Matty Ice last year...so you never know, it might work out ok.

Hes got some good young recievers around him, and i think Kevin Smith is going to be a good everydown back. If he can avoid mistakes, and utilize Megatron and Pettigrew properly, i can see him doing pretty well this year.

CC.SD
09-07-2009, 12:51 PM
Pettigrew will be the key. That, and staying upright.

CashmoneyDrew
09-07-2009, 01:04 PM
BTW, Lions fans, what's the story on Gosder Cherilus so far this offseason and preseason?

Babylon
09-07-2009, 01:32 PM
If he's going to play i'd dumb down the playbook (no Matt Millen jokes)and let him ease his way into things. Worst thing in the world is for him to have to throw 40 times and get beat up. Obviously he's the franchise at that position so i'd take it slow. For me i would have started Culpepper and look to around week 4 for Stafford to show up. Dollars seem to come into these decisions but for a guy who should be a senior at Georgia not the way i would have gone.

Calvin & Kevin
09-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Gosder, and the whole line, has shown signs of improvement. In run blocking I think they will be middle of the road, and in pass pro they will still be below average but not the historically bad unit they've been.

I still think that Backus and Gosder will give up some clean shots at Stafford and that's where he's going to have to use his quick release and get used to getting rid of the ball in those cases. But I don't think it will be flat-out target practice like some people are expecting.

Babylon
09-07-2009, 01:36 PM
Gosder, and the whole line, has shown signs of improvement. In run blocking I think they will be middle of the road, and in pass pro they will still be below average but not the historically bad unit they've been.

I still think that Backus and Gosder will give up some clean shots at Stafford and that's where he's going to have to use his quick release and get used to getting rid of the ball in those cases. But I don't think it will be flat-out target practice like some people are expecting.

Having said that do they have their LT picked out for the 2010 draft?

Scotty D
09-07-2009, 01:51 PM
Watch the first series of the pre-season game against Buffalo. Him and Calvin were so sick.

brat316
09-07-2009, 01:54 PM
The less hits he takes the better he'll probably be. But behind that line, who knows.

If K.Smith can get that run game going, a little PA will help alot.

Jakey
09-07-2009, 01:56 PM
Megatron will bale him out so much. With out Megatron and Smith, he would be killed. Thankfully they have som pretty good skill players.

General Zod
09-07-2009, 02:35 PM
I cant wait to introduce Matthew to Mr. Allen. :-)

http://www.prolebrity.com/wp-content/user_photos/jaredallen.jpg

princefielder28
09-07-2009, 02:41 PM
High risk, high reward play

vikes_28
09-07-2009, 02:54 PM
High risk, high reward play

Agreed on so many levels.

Xiomera
09-07-2009, 03:26 PM
I don't think there's much risk. Stafford won't be rattled.

This will just get a head start on Stafford/Calvin becoming the most feared QB/WR combo in history.

DoughBoy
09-07-2009, 03:31 PM
I don't think there's much risk. Stafford won't be rattled.

This will just get a head start on Stafford/Calvin becoming the most feared QB/WR combo in history.

Yep, thats what they said about David Carr. This is stupid move, unless the OL got 20x better.

703SKINS202
09-07-2009, 03:38 PM
Believe me, I get the move but I am not a fan. I know people now think rookie QB's can come in and tear it up but really this isn't the right situation. The lions were 29th running the ball, gave up the second most sacks and don't have a defense yet that will help him like the Ravens did Flacco and the running game the Falcons gave Ryan. He is the QB of the future on a team that went 0-16, let Culpepper start the season and groom Stafford to start if or when the lions feel the season is out of reach. Yes the Dolphins went 1-15 to 11-5 but is that really going to happen here? I don't think the lions' organization have proven themselves enough to make a risky move like this. I know they have CJ a top 5 wr but I think this will hurt them more than help them down the road.

BigBanger
09-07-2009, 03:40 PM
Yep, thats what they said about David Carr. This is stupid move, unless the OL got 20x better.
That's what they said about Joey Harrington too. The OL can be utter ****, which they are, but if Stafford is going to be a bust, he'll be a bust on his own. David Carr is a ****** NFL QB. Simple as that. Houston could have built the greatest OL in the history of OLs and he would have still been a bust. Stafford will be hindered by his OL until it improves, but he wont bust because of it. That's not how it works. Many QBs have played behind ****** OLs and still went on to have great careers. Big Ben just won a facking SB with one. If he's a bust, he'll be a bust regardless of their OL. Getting pressure or getting hit and facing pressure wont be anything new to Stafford. He's had three years of it in college.

Now, if Detroit wants to actually be any good, it might be in their best interest to draft a LT. Maybe a couple guards. A center for the future. **** like that.

703SKINS202
09-07-2009, 03:43 PM
That's what they said about Joey Harrington too. The OL can be utter ****, which they are, but if Stafford is going to be a bust, he'll be a bust on his own. David Carr is a ****** NFL QB. Simple as that. Houston could have built the greatest OL in the history of OLs and he would have still been a bust. Stafford will be hindered by his OL until it improves, but he wont bust because of it. That's not how it works. Many QBs have played behind ****** OLs and still went on to have great careers. Big Ben just won a facking SB with one. If he's a bust, he'll be a bust regardless of their OL. Getting pressure or getting hit and facing pressure wont be anything new to Stafford. He's had three years of it in college.

Now, if Detroit wants to actually be any good, it might be in their best interest to draft a LT. Maybe a couple guards. A center for the future. **** like that.
This post just constantly contradicts itself.

Malaka
09-07-2009, 03:44 PM
If David Carr had a decent O-line he wouldn't have picked up so many bad habits as he did getting sacked 10000000000x times... and your also going to tell me if Stafford somehow went to the Patriots without the Patriots losing any key offensive player, ala Matt Cassell he wouldn't be just a little bit better of a player.

DoughBoy
09-07-2009, 03:50 PM
Well, their are people like me and Texans fans out there that belive David Carr could have been good had he had an O-line. After taking the beating that he did in his first couple of years he became a completely diffrent QB. He showed no willingness to hold wait for a play to develop because he was afraid to get hit, his carrer went down hill because he had trust issues with his supporting cast. The same thing could happen to Matthew Stafford and it isnt a question of talent but sometimes a team can be so bad a good player can take his game down an entire level and stay there. Heath Shuler is another guy that comes to mind off the top of my head.

WMD
09-07-2009, 03:52 PM
We should draft a LT in Round 2 next year. Center ain't gonna happen, we signed Dominic Raiola to a 4 year extension a few months ago. The guards can definitely be upgraded though.

Malaka
09-07-2009, 03:54 PM
We should draft a LT in Round 2 next year. Center ain't gonna happen, we signed Dominic Raiola to a 4 year extension a few months ago. The guards can definitely be upgraded though.

Why round 2? Jeff Backus is at best mediocre...

M.O.T.H.
09-07-2009, 03:55 PM
I dont like it either. Then again, I've never been a big Stafford fan. I wouldnt expect one of those good rookie seasons from him. Some good flashes, some really bad plays, lots of INTs. I think Sanchez is more ready than Stafford is.

CashmoneyDrew
09-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Why round 2? Jeff Backus is at best mediocre...

Probably because at this point no OT has proven to be worth a top 3 pick where the Lions will almost assuredly be picking.

P-L
09-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Yep, thats what they said about David Carr. This is stupid move, unless the OL got 20x better.
As bad as our line my be, it isn't half as bad as that Houston line that Carr played behind. That 2002 Houston offensive line was one of the worst in history.

WMD
09-07-2009, 03:59 PM
We really need to get some help on Defense. Especially on the DL. I also think you can find success in a Round 2 LT just as 'easy' as you can in Round 1. I mean, I wouldn't be terribly upset at a Round 1 LT but I'd prefer going the Round 2 route.

senormysterioso
09-07-2009, 03:59 PM
I don't think there's much risk. Stafford won't be rattled.

This will just get a head start on Stafford/Calvin becoming the most feared QB/WR combo in history.

Calvin/Anybody is one of the most feared combos in history

DoughBoy
09-07-2009, 04:02 PM
As bad as our line my be, it isn't half as bad as that Houston line that Carr played behind. That 2002 Houston offensive line was one of the worst in history.

I agree but if Stafford gets sacked 40,50,or 60 times expect the same results.

Calvin & Kevin
09-07-2009, 04:04 PM
Well, their are people like me and Texans fans out there that belive David Carr could have been good had he had an O-line. After taking the beating that he did in his first couple of years he became a completely diffrent QB. He showed no willingness to hold wait for a play to develop because he was afraid to get hit, his carrer went down hill because he had trust issues with his supporting cast. The same thing could happen to Matthew Stafford and it isnt a question of talent but sometimes a team can be so bad a good player can take his game down an entire level and stay there. Heath Shuler is another guy that comes to mind off the top of my head.

I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well. All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves. They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.

P-L
09-07-2009, 04:06 PM
I don't think he will get sacked that much. Last year all Lions quarterbacks combined got sacked 42 times. We made a slight upgrade to our LG position, Gosder has another year of experience, Stafford has a quicker release than anyone on our roster last year, and he's far more mobile than Jon Kitna and Daunte Culpepper with a bum knee.

Bigburt63
09-07-2009, 04:09 PM
I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well. All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves. They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.

Years of abuse can negatively affect a players psyche to the point where they are unable to get over things mentally at any point in their career. It doesn't happen to all players, but it can happen to some. For the lions sake, I hope that Stafford either a) doesn't take a ton of abuse or b) is able to overcome the abuse he is probably going to take.

703SKINS202
09-07-2009, 04:10 PM
I don't think he will get sacked that much. Last year all Lions quarterbacks combined got sacked 42 times. We made a slight upgrade to our LG position, Gosder has another year of experience, Stafford has a quicker release than anyone on our roster last year, and he's far more mobile than Jon Kitna and Daunte Culpepper with a bum knee.
ESPN says that they gave up 52 sacks.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks

Babylon
09-07-2009, 04:13 PM
I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well. All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves. They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.

There's a reason young fighters dont get thrown in the ring too early against veteran fighters and they dont run 2 year old horses against 5 year olds. Stafford will be allright because i think they'll manage what he does out there but for me you would bring him in a month in to the season to pick up the pieces from Culpepper.

DoughBoy
09-07-2009, 04:14 PM
I honestly don't buy any of this crap. A good QB is a good QB. Any QB will do poorly if they have a terrible OL, and better if they have a good one.

But a good QB is a good QB. You get them some help, they will play well.
All of those guys that are being mentioned, Carr and Joey in particular, had chances later in their career with better teams and were no better themselves.They were just as bad because they were bad QB's. Look at Harrington, not even able to hold a #3 job. That's because he sucks.

You cannot tell me that two or three years of having bad line play ruined them as QB's. If that's true, they were mental midgets to begin with.

So you do agree? Im confused? And lol at mental midgets? Are you really going to sit there and tell me that if Matt Stafford gets sacked 52 times a year he is going to play well because he is a good QB? Aint gunna happen.

Calvin & Kevin
09-07-2009, 04:16 PM
Years of abuse can negatively affect a players psyche to the point where they are unable to get over things mentally at any point in their career. It doesn't happen to all players, but it can happen to some.

Right - the ones who weren't going to be able to take it anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I think maybe Culpepper should have started 2 or 3 games to begin with. Or at least I could have accepted that decision. But the coaching staff is going all in with Stafford because they think he's the best option and as a Lions fan you have no idea how much we've needed a coaching staff that would make some ballsy decisions.

Calvin & Kevin
09-07-2009, 04:19 PM
So you do agree? Im confused? And lol at mental midgets? Are you really going to sit there and tell me that if Matt Stafford gets sacked 52 times a year he is going to play well because he is a good QB? Aint gunna happen.

reading comprehension pls

I said that any QB will play worse with poor OL help. I'm talking about this "oo it'll affect him down the road and ruin his career" thing everyone's saying.

If he is a good QB, then he will be affected by terrible OL play like any QB would, but it won't make a difference in his long-term development, if the Lions get better OL play down the road or he ends up on another team with a good OL, he will play better, unlike these other examples of QBs like Joey or Carr who ended up with better teams later and played just as bad.

Bigburt63
09-07-2009, 04:20 PM
Right - the ones who weren't going to be able to take it anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I think maybe Culpepper should have started 2 or 3 games to begin with. Or at least I could have accepted that decision. But the coaching staff is going all in with Stafford because they think he's the best option and as a Lions fan you have no idea how much we've needed a coaching staff that would make some ballsy decisions.

They may not have been able to take it anyway, but they could have been a much better QB had they not experienced that type of abuse. It's all opinion with no way of knowing either way. We'll just have to wait and see if Stafford can handle the abuse we all expect him to take.

Brent
09-07-2009, 04:20 PM
I say best of luck, I like Stafford.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
09-07-2009, 04:30 PM
Do you hear that? Thats the sound of the Vikings,Bears,Packers secondary crapping their pants. JK

This is not a David Carr situation. Carr had a worse Oline, due to an injury I believe to their starting LT. They didn't have a 1st Round RT either, a center with over 100 starts and a stud good blocking tight end. Kevin Smith isn't too shabby either. Oh and Carr didn't have a super stud WR to throw too either his rookie year with those 70 sacks or whatever he took. Corey Bradford was their number 1 which is just bad and will lead to more sacks if WRs can't get open. I'll take Bryant Johnson and Northcutt over Bradford by a large margin.

Its all about the release. Kitna slow release sacked a ton, Daunte always had a slow release and has always been sacked a ton even in Minnesota, Stanton clueless last year and was sacked 6 times in a game last year. Dan O actually had a decent release and mobility and was only sacked 14 times in 8 games. Stafford will take his lumps but if he is what they drafted, he'll be fine.

DoughBoy
09-07-2009, 04:31 PM
reading comprehension pls

I said that any QB will play worse with poor OL help. I'm talking about this "oo it'll affect him down the road and ruin his career" thing everyone's saying.

If he is a good QB, then he will be affected by terrible OL play like any QB would, but it won't make a difference in his long-term development, if the Lions get better OL play down the road or he ends up on another team with a good OL, he will play better, unlike these other examples of QBs like Joey or Carr who ended up with better teams later and played just as bad.

Lets agree to disagree. Best of luck to Stafford he has all the tools.

Shane P. Hallam
09-07-2009, 04:33 PM
The thing about QBs, is talent can get outweighed by poor development. Yes, there are busts like Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. But, I still feel if Tim Couch, Joey Harrington, or David Carr had a good situation and time to develop, they may have been superb NFL QBs. Stafford has the tools, he has shown some signs of greatness already, but if this hinders him, it may not matter how "good" he is.

Xiomera
09-07-2009, 04:40 PM
The thing about QBs, is talent can get outweighed by poor development. Yes, there are busts like Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. But, I still feel if Tim Couch, Joey Harrington, or David Carr had a good situation and time to develop, they may have been superb NFL QBs. Stafford has the tools, he has shown some signs of greatness already, but if this hinders him, it may not matter how "good" he is.

How is Joey different than Akili?

Both busts in my eyes. I don't see their environment being significantly different.

senormysterioso
09-07-2009, 04:40 PM
It's not so much "development" as it is perception. if a kid has trouble adjusting to the game speed, and if he's not getting much help, taking some sacks...the media starts calling him a bust after 3 or 4 games and that gets in your head. The difference between playing to win and playing to not screw up is great. Add into that taking a bunch of sacks, getting rattled and playing afraid...you're done.

DeCrunkMAn
09-07-2009, 04:41 PM
I think Derrick Williams will turn into a star with Calvin johnson on the other side of the field. The Lions are slowly growing and having Stafford will do some good. Even if he wins 1 game all year, that's still an improvement over last year :)

P-L
09-07-2009, 04:45 PM
I think Derrick Williams will turn into a star with Calvin johnson on the other side of the field. The Lions are slowly growing and having Stafford will do some good. Even if he wins 1 game all year, that's still an improvement over last year :)
I hope you're right about Williams. He's been pretty bad so far. If he wasn't such a high pick, he probably would've been cut.

DeCrunkMAn
09-07-2009, 04:51 PM
I hope you're right about Williams. He's been pretty bad so far. If he wasn't such a high pick, he probably would've been cut.

Well his entire career he had no-names throwing at him and he still managed to be a 3rd round pick. I'd say he's been pretty bad so far because Stafford/Williams are still adjusted to the NFL game speed. I'm saying now that 3 years from now Williams be a great #2 receiver.

Babylon
09-07-2009, 04:58 PM
Well his entire career he had no-names throwing at him and he still managed to be a 3rd round pick. I'd say he's been pretty bad so far because Stafford/Williams are still adjusted to the NFL game speed. I'm saying now that 3 years from now Williams be a great #2 receiver.

He'll certainly get single coverage but he looked slow out of his cuts in the game i saw them play.

Xiomera
09-07-2009, 04:59 PM
Well his entire career he had no-names throwing at him and he still managed to be a 3rd round pick. I'd say he's been pretty bad so far because Stafford/Williams are still adjusted to the NFL game speed. I'm saying now that 3 years from now Williams be a great #2 receiver.

Hope so. Though it'll be ironic that he's the WR named Williams who pans out for the Lions in the end, haha.

Jakey
09-07-2009, 05:11 PM
In fact thinking about it...if Stafford is a baller, the o-line shouldnt make a hell of allot of difference.

Im a Steelers fan, so over the last few years ive seen allot of bad o-line play. Big Ben got sacked nearly 50 times and got hit on something stupid like half of his pass attempts. He still manage to get things done. If stafford can make good decisions and avoid critical errors, he should still make enough big plays to make this move worthwhile.

DeCrunkMAn
09-07-2009, 05:26 PM
Cowboys fan here btw But im still wishing to see the Lions become a force in the NFL after being crappy ever since...well the beginning of time LOL

I think Stafford/C. Johnson/Pettigrew/Williams will light it up. You guys have the players to be great. Hopefully Stafford can become that leader you guys need.

BlindSite
09-07-2009, 05:29 PM
People said this about Matty Ice last year...so you never know, it might work out ok.

Hes got some good young recievers around him, and i think Kevin Smith is going to be a good everydown back. If he can avoid mistakes, and utilize Megatron and Pettigrew properly, i can see him doing pretty well this year.

Yeah, but the only reason Matty Ice started imo is because Turner was killing it and the offensive line did what NO ONE expected it to do and actually gelled early with young and inexperienced or cast off pieces.

Really, there is no way Matt Ryan should have started based on what Atlanta had last year on paper. Their line and running game came together better than even the most homer of atlanta fans expected.

I can't see detroit doing that. Stafford could be ok, like everyone is cautiously optimistically saying, but I think he'd be better off starting half the year like Eli Manning did after the team finds which areas of their game are most effective.

Halsey
09-07-2009, 06:22 PM
Stafford is not going to have a Matt Ryan type rookie year. He will throw a lot of INT's, but he will also make a lot of long completions. The important thing is he gets a lot of work and stays healthy. He's probably always going to be a Brett Favre/Jay Cutler style QB who takes lots of risks, makes lots of big plays and throws his fair share of INT's.

Xiomera
09-07-2009, 06:34 PM
The decision to start Stafford furthers my belief that Kevin Smith will run for 1400 yards.

Shane P. Hallam
09-07-2009, 07:39 PM
How is Joey different than Akili?

Both busts in my eyes. I don't see their environment being significantly different.

Every play in college for Akili Smith had "right" or "left" associated with it to tell which side of the field he looked at.

RaiderNation
09-07-2009, 07:43 PM
I really dont think its the right decision to start Stafford right off the bat. I didnt buy into his hype last off season, I think he needs some time to sit and learn before he starts in the NFL. If I were the coach Id wait til around mid season to start giving him some time

Rooo
09-07-2009, 08:55 PM
Every play in college for Akili Smith had "right" or "left" associated with it to tell which side of the field he looked at.

Not necessarily true.

Sniper
09-08-2009, 07:33 AM
I hope you're right about Williams. He's been pretty bad so far. If he wasn't such a high pick, he probably would've been cut.

I'm stunned. Stunned, I tell you.

Brodeur
09-08-2009, 10:43 PM
Stafford will finish the year with a 158.4 QB rating after he breaks the QB rating system.

Saints 4 Lyfe
09-08-2009, 10:45 PM
Bad news for Stafford. Grant and Smith will play.

tjsunstein
09-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Bad news for Stafford. Grand and Smith will play.

Grand or Grant? In better news for Stafford, so will the Saints corners and this guy, Calvin Johnson. Might have heard of him?

NotRickJames
09-08-2009, 10:49 PM
Bad choice.

Agreed, whole-heartedly.

He's been terrible so far, no need to throw him to the dogs so early. Did they learn nothing from Harrington (well, I thought Harrington sucked anyway)?

Shiver
09-08-2009, 10:54 PM
There have been Quarterbacks who have succeeded when thrown into the fire and inversely. I don't think it makes a lot of difference. I think the good Quarterbacks come through eventually, regardless of circumstance. I don't think David Carr would have been better than Aaron Rodgers had the situations been reversed.

Saints 4 Lyfe
09-08-2009, 11:00 PM
Grand or Grant? In better news for Stafford, so will the Saints corners and this guy, Calvin Johnson. Might have heard of him?

Grant, you're right. I was typing too fast.

Jabari Greer makes me worry a lot less.

Brodeur
09-08-2009, 11:03 PM
Agreed, whole-heartedly.

He's been terrible so far, no need to throw him to the dogs so early. Did they learn nothing from Harrington (well, I thought Harrington sucked anyway)?

Terrible is a massive stretch. He hasn't been great but he's been decent enough and Keary Colbert make his stats seem worse than they should.