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BlindSite
09-07-2009, 05:50 PM
Source:http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/4447/three-of-nine-oldest-teams-in-nfc-west

Ranked oldest to youngest
(Bolded successful franchises last year)

1 Redskins 28.02
2 Saints 27.99
3 Cardinals 27.74
3 Patriots 27.74
5 Lions 27.62
6 49ers 27.51
7 Steelers 27.50
8 Vikings 27.48
9 Seahawks 27.41
10 Falcons 27.39
11 Titans 27.29
12 Browns 27.18
13 Jets 27.16
13 Broncos 27.16
15 Bears 27.02
16 Cowboys 26.93
17 Bills 26.93
18 Chargers 26.93
19 Texans 26.89
20 Giants 26.88
21 Ravens 26.83
22 Raiders 26.82
23 Eagles 26.81
24 Rams 26.73
25 Jaguars 26.61
26 Bengals 26.60
27 Dolphins 26.47
28 Bucs 26.46
29 Panthers 26.39
30 Chiefs 26.36
31 Colts 26.34
32 Packers 26.16I'm surprised to see the Panthers and Packers so low. Interesting that the Panthers, Eagles Colts and Dolphins were the teams in the bottom to have a playoff year.

Packers I thought would be higher given the age in their secondary, but I guess this bodes really well for the future considering how close a lot of their games were last year.

Not real good for the Saints.

DoughBoy
09-07-2009, 05:53 PM
Dang I remeber when VY came to the Titans we were the youngest team in the NFL.

Giantsfan1080
09-07-2009, 05:54 PM
Kurt Warner and Brett Favre bring up the Vikings and Cardinals age 5 years by themselves.

The Dynasty
09-07-2009, 05:55 PM
Vikings are mainly high because of Favre, Pat Williams and Winfield and probably Steve Hutchinson. The Vikings defense is rather young though.

Giantsfan1080
09-07-2009, 05:57 PM
Also, if you take Jeff Feagles off the Giants then we are actually probably in that 25-30 range.

Saints-Tigers
09-07-2009, 06:03 PM
Weird to see that for the Saints. I bet we drop a lot if you use starters only... our main contributors are pretty young.

Rosebud
09-07-2009, 06:23 PM
I'm honestly surprised we're not lower. I know guys like Pierce, Robbens and our oline aren't spring chickens, but almost all of our backups are young players who are still improving and at many positions we are very young.

cvv84
09-07-2009, 06:25 PM
This is like the 3rd or 4th straight year that the Packers have been in the top 5 of youngest teams so I'm not suprised that we're the youngest yet again.

NY+Giants=NYG
09-07-2009, 06:52 PM
Also, if you take Jeff Feagles off the Giants then we are actually probably in that 25-30 range.

Yeah, Feagles for us screws the avg. big time!

Xiomera
09-07-2009, 07:01 PM
Not a surprise to see the Lions toward the top of this list. There's only a handful of players in the organization anymore that we actually drafted (Thanks Millen).

CJSchneider
09-07-2009, 07:03 PM
Not real good for the Saints.

Mark Brunell turns 39 in 10 days. That one aged veteran on your team makes this stat not as valid as you might think.

Rosebud
09-07-2009, 07:09 PM
I wonder how these would look if you took out the 2 or 3 oldest players on each team.

marshallb
09-07-2009, 07:10 PM
Mark Brunell turns 39 in 10 days. That one aged veteran on your team makes this stat not as valid as you might think.

Exactly. That skews things for several teams, such as the Vikings, who are actually quite young if you remove a few of the veterans like Favre(39--will be 40) and Pat Williams(36--will be 37), and even Longwell is 34.

TitanHope
09-07-2009, 07:10 PM
This stat always seemed quite silly to me. It's always used as some moral victory or excuse.

I'd like to see a writer break down a roster more when they bring up age. See the average age of a team's starters, avg. age of a team's positional units (ie. OL, DL, DB's), etc. That'd be really cool.

Caddy
09-07-2009, 07:19 PM
Not surprised to see the Buccaneers as one of the youngest teams considering the roster revolution that has gone on the last 6 months.

BlindSite
09-07-2009, 07:25 PM
This stat always seemed quite silly to me. It's always used as some moral victory or excuse.

I'd like to see a writer break down a roster more when they bring up age. See the average age of a team's starters, avg. age of a team's positional units (ie. OL, DL, DB's), etc. That'd be really cool.

I think it's a better gauge at the bottom end of the list (youngest teams). Like the Packers for example, youngest team in the league, with an excellent set of receivers and a young QB who came very close in a lot of games in 08. Sets a tone for expectations of the future.

There's always a few players on teams who throw out averages, punters, kickers, QBs and the like, but I don't think there's many teams in the NFL without a few players who're mid to late 30s.

Todd Bertuzzi
09-07-2009, 07:32 PM
Patriots got a boost from losing Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi, Seau etc... although they did add Galloway and Taylor.

Dam8610
09-07-2009, 07:34 PM
Also, if you take Jeff Feagles off the Giants then we are actually probably in that 25-30 range.

Every NFL team is in the range you specified. Feagles brings your team's average age up by about .4 years, which is a lot for one player.

Giantsfan1080
09-07-2009, 07:35 PM
Every NFL team is in the range you specified. Feagles brings your team's average age up by about .4 years, which is a lot for one player.

I didn't mean age wise. I meant 25-30 in the actual rankings. Since I know you're right, then I'm correct because then we'd be 29th.

TitanHope
09-07-2009, 07:43 PM
I think it's a better gauge at the bottom end of the list (youngest teams). Like the Packers for example, youngest team in the league, with an excellent set of receivers and a young QB who came very close in a lot of games in 08. Sets a tone for expectations of the future.

There's always a few players on teams who throw out averages, punters, kickers, QBs and the like, but I don't think there's many teams in the NFL without a few players who're mid to late 30s.

I agree. I think being Top 5 Youngest and Top 5 Oldest can be significant, but the difference between those teams inbetween in insignificant.

I like how ya bolded the previous year's Playoff teams though, Blind. If anything, Youth proportionate to success is key in this statistic. Bodes extra well for the Colts and Panthers who did achieve that success despite being young.

GB12
09-07-2009, 07:58 PM
I'm surprised to see the Panthers and Packers so low.

Packers I thought would be higher given the age in their secondary, but I guess this bodes really well for the future considering how close a lot of their games were last year.

This is the 4th straight year that the Packers have been the youngest team in the league. Shouldn't be a surprise by now.

Malaka
09-07-2009, 08:19 PM
Does this count punters? If so its kinda skewed the Giants have the oldest guy in the NFL lol! FEAGLES FTW!!!

Giantsfan1080
09-07-2009, 08:33 PM
Does this count punters? If so its kinda skewed the Giants have the oldest guy in the NFL lol! FEAGLES FTW!!!

Echo on this one Malaka.

Malaka
09-07-2009, 08:36 PM
Echo on this one Malaka.

Lmao didn't read the thread just the first post -_-.

BlindSite
09-07-2009, 08:44 PM
This is the 4th straight year that the Packers have been the youngest team in the league. Shouldn't be a surprise by now.

About 3 years ago it was tennessee, it's rare to see a team remain toward the bottom for youth.

GB12
09-07-2009, 10:44 PM
About 3 years ago it was tennessee, it's rare to see a team remain toward the bottom for youth.
No, 3 years ago Green Bay was the youngest; Tennessee was second. 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009 the Packers have been the youngest team in the NFL.

The Green Bay Packers will remain as the National Football League's youngest team for the third consecutive season, it was announced by the league office Wednesday.

Based on an analysis of NFL Kickoff Weekend rosters, the Green Bay Packers and Kansas City Chiefs are tied for the youngest roster with an average age of 25.57 years.

Last season, Green Bay's average roster age of 25.72 years on Kickoff Weekend was the youngest in the NFL. Indianapolis placed second with an average roster age of 25.74 years.

In 2006, the Packers' average roster age of 25.57 years was the youngest in the league. Tennessee, with an average roster age of 25.77 years, was second.
http://www.packers.com/news/releases/2008/09/10/1/

BlindSite
09-07-2009, 11:05 PM
My bad, my point remains though, it's unusual for a team to remain that young, or continuously get younger for this amount of time.

The Unseen
09-07-2009, 11:10 PM
Jaguars have been young for awhile. the average includes oldies like Tra Thomas and Torry Holt btw

BlindSite
09-07-2009, 11:18 PM
Carolina has Mushin who's 36, Kasay who's 40, Delhomme's 34, Hoover who's 33, Damoine Lewis, Keydrick Vincent, Peppers, Smith, Diggs, who're all 30 or above too.

There's plenty of vets north of 30 even on young teams. I think it's more about the average age of the depth more so than the starters.

I know in Carolina's case almost all of the backups are in their early 20s.

Almost all the backups along both lines, linebackers, secondary and receivers are under 25 bar one or two.

The Unseen
09-07-2009, 11:22 PM
Carolina has Mushin who's 36, Kasay who's 40, Delhomme's 34, Hoover who's 33, Damoine Lewis, Keydrick Vincent, Peppers, Smith, Diggs, who're all 30 or above too.

There's plenty of vets north of 30 even on young teams. I think it's more about the average age of the depth more so than the starters.

I know in Carolina's case almost all of the backups are in their early 20s.

Almost all the backups along both lines, linebackers, secondary and receivers are under 25 bar one or two.

That's a good point. The Jaguars always seem to opt for younger, "farm product" depth systems than vet depth systems - start the experienced guy and keep some younger guys around as depth to gain experience and provide competition.

wogitalia
09-07-2009, 11:54 PM
About 3 years ago it was tennessee, it's rare to see a team remain toward the bottom for youth.

Green Bay don't sign free agents though, that will skew the stat if you basically only add players through the draft, basically replace anyone who goes out with a younger guy.

Stat really needs to be broken down by positions and starters to really show anything though. For instance the Vikes are fairly old on the list, but our offense is really very young outside of Favre. Our defense is a fair bit older though and our older guys are key guys.

diabsoule
09-07-2009, 11:55 PM
Mark Brunell turns 39 in 10 days. That one aged veteran on your team makes this stat not as valid as you might think.

John Carney is 45 too. So yeah, Brunell and Carney bring down the average age on our team. Our starters and contributers are all young.

Gay Ork Wang
09-08-2009, 03:14 AM
Not a surprise to see the Lions toward the top of this list. There's only a handful of players in the organization anymore that we actually drafted (Thanks Millen).
there are like 6 players left not counting last years draft

OzTitan
09-08-2009, 03:20 AM
The difference is less that 2 years between #1 and #32. The bolded franchises are fairly evenly spread out over the list. The stat is fairly interesting, but ultimately pretty pointless really.

Flyboy
09-08-2009, 04:10 AM
Damn you Mark Brunell and John Carney.

BlindSite
09-08-2009, 06:41 AM
The difference is less that 2 years between #1 and #32. The bolded franchises are fairly evenly spread out over the list. The stat is fairly interesting, but ultimately pretty pointless really.

The average career of an NFL player is 3 years, so not really.

DJC
09-08-2009, 09:05 AM
Not surprised to see the Buccaneers as one of the youngest teams considering the roster revolution that has gone on the last 6 months.

Yep. I think we are a Dirk Johnson away from being the youngest in the league.

bigbluedefense
09-08-2009, 09:56 AM
The Giants would be even younger if we didn't have Jeff Feagles skewing the numbers.

But as far as Im concerned, Jeff could put until he's 50. As long as he can do it, I have no problem with him being our punter.

umphrey
09-08-2009, 02:43 PM
I don't think 1 or 2 players is going to make a difference. Two years ago when we had Favre and a LS that was in his 40s we still topped it

awfullyquiet
09-08-2009, 03:56 PM
suppose the average age is 26, and you add a 40 year old kicker to your roster while someone is on IR (hypothetical)

(26*52 (players) + 40)/53 = 26.25 years old average one or two oldies doesn't spoil your team.

OzTitan
09-08-2009, 04:43 PM
The average career of an NFL player is 3 years, so not really.

The age difference between the typical young and typical older rookie coming out of college is about the same margin of 2 years. So in this case, age doesn't necessarily translate to years pro so easily.

T-RICH49
09-08-2009, 04:45 PM
I knew we were young but not the 3rd youngest