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Thumper
03-20-2010, 11:50 PM
Eagles Mock Draft
Trade: Eagles trade Chris Gocong to the Browns for a 4th round pick
Trade: Eagles trade Michael Vick to the Bills for a 4th round pick

Trade: The Eagles trade pick #24 and pick #160 to the Browns for pick #38, pick #72 and pick #157

2 (Cle)- Kareem Jackson CB Alabama- The Eagles need some added depth on the outside and Jackson helps provide that. He isn’t a shut down guy yet but he is really solid, he is well versed in man and zone coverage, he is physical, he breaks well on the ball and he has long arms to bat the pass away. His technique needs some refining but that’s about it, he is a very intelligent corner who quickly determines whether a play is run or pass and he was one of Saban's pattern read coverage disciples, which means he read the receivers release and attacked the route accordingly. By all accounts he is a dedicated guy who is a team player and spends more than his fair share of time in the film room.

2- Rodger Saffold OG Indiana- The Eagles need a little bit of help with depth on the offensive line especially with Jamaal Jackson likely missing at least part of the year. The Eagles are reportedly taking a good look at Saffold who in the beginning can provide quality depth at 4 spots (LT, LG, RG, RT). The Eagles need that considering that Nick Cole will move to C and that Max Jean-Giles, Stacy Andrews, Todd Herramens and Jason Peters all missed time in the 2009 season, Saffold can help make sure the line doesn’t have an Oakland type game where the starters are injured and the opposing defensive line just has a field day. He won’t blow anyone away but he will be a serviceable back-up who has long term starting potential and could one day start at LG or RT potentially for the Eagles.

3 (Sea)- Major Wright S Florida- The Eagles have some decent players at safety in Marlin Jackson and Macho Harris and they’ve got a good player in Quintin Mikell but the backhalf of the defense really lacks an intimidator and specifically they lack a SS back-up and a true FS. Enter Major Wright a guy with the ability to play either safety spot. Major Wright was allowed to play centerfield a lot at Florida so he can play free safety, he dropped down to nickel and played the third receiver from time to time which tells me that he is completely capable of covering a tight end or a RB. But what Major Wright really brings to the table is bone crushing hitting ability, he throws his body around and by all accounts at Florida he was the toughest pound for pound player on the defense.

3 (Cle)- Jason Worilds DE Virginia Tech- The Eagles have a stable of defensive ends including pro-bowler Trent Cole, solid players like Darryl Tapp, Jaqua Parker and a guy with potential in Victor Abiamiri but what they lack is someone who can bring the heat on third down. Jason Worilds can be that guy, he isn’t great in run support but he is a very good pass rusher, his first step is incredible and he has all world speed for the defensive end spot clocking a 1.57 10 yard split which was better than alot receivers, running backs and defensive backs had. His motor is nonstop and he won’t give up on a play just because he gets blocked. He has the ability to play the Joker spot and really he is brought in to play the spot Chris Clemons played only hopefully he can be more effective than Clemons was.

Eagles Trade their 3rd and 4th to move up to the middle of the third
3- Donald Butler LB Washington- The Eagles need depth at LB, at SLB Gocong was traded to the Browns and at MLB Stewart Bradley is coming off an ACL tear, if only there was someone in the draft who played both spots… Oh wait, there is Donald Butler who has played both spots in his career at Washington. He is a reliable tackler, has sideline to sideline range, has nice burst on blitzes because of his athletic ability, he has the size to be a thumper in the run game and he has the athleticism to play in coverage, in fact he was so effective in coverage that he often forced opposing quarterbacks to look in another direction to find an open target. He has versatility, special teams ability and he has starting potential, he will fit in nicely on a new look Eagles defense that no longer strictly looks for thumpers at the SLB spot, instead they look for well rounded players like Moses Fokou in last years draft and Donald Butler since McDermott likes to play his linebackers in coverage more. Also, Butler has come up huge in games against big schools, notching 12 tackles, two tackles for loss, a forced fumble and an interception against USC. He also posted six tackles, a TFL and a sack against Cal and 3 tackles, including a TFL and an interception in the overtime loss to Notre Dame.

Trade: Eagles Trade Cleveland’s 4th rounder for a 2011 third rounder

4 (Buf)- Alterraun Verner CB UCLA- This guy just screams Asante Samuel to me, an average athlete who excels because of his football intelligence, playing well in zone coverages, playing effectively in man to man, breaking on the ball extremely well and getting his hands on a large amount of passes notching 43 passes defended and 13 interceptions in his career at UCLA that included him playing in 51 games. This guy is a big time sleeper in the NFL draft.

5- John Skelton QB Fordham- The Eagles are reportedly looking at him as well, he is a guy with a lot of potential and is a guy who Andy Reid is hoping will develop for a year under McNabb and Kolb and will eventually become a good backup to Kevin Kolb. He could use a little bit of polishing in terms of putting more touch on passes and doing small things like faking the hand off better on play action plays. But what he does possess is a huge arm that can easily get the football 40-50 yards downfield, patience in the pocket, the understanding of taking snaps from center and the knowledge of where his second and third progressions will be. The Eagles grab a guy late who is fairly polished and has immense upside, Andy Reid is ready to work his QB magic after all he coached Brett Favre, he found Matt Hasselback, drafted Donovan McNabb and drafted Kevin Kolb and nearly every QB he has coached has at least developed into a solid backup like the Detmer brothers and AJ Feely.

6- Armanti Edwards Offense Appalachian State- Mike Vick is gone, who is going to run the wildcat package? Edwards will. Edwards will be used as a slot receiver, punt returner, kick returner and wildcat QB, hopefully he can handle it. He is the Eagles new gadget play guy and he will have a lot to work with on offense. A position change is needed because his accuracy is problematic and his mechanics aren’t good, but who would it hurt to have him let it fly deep a couple times a year to DeSean and Jeremy? The opposing defense. Edwards is a project since he will be moving spots but he has the athletic ability.

7- Mike McLaughlin LB Boston College- He is a thumper at the MLB spot, he is short and squatty at 6’ tall and 242 pounds and he is a very good in the box run defender, he has the ability to attack the gaps in the run game and stand up guards just like the Eagles use their MLB, he plays downhill in attack mode. He is very good at reading and reacting to the action, finding an angle and getting to the ball carrier and taking him down, that is what he does best. No one will ever mistake him for a sideline to sideline player nor will he ever really excel and eat up a part of the field in coverage, he is good against the run and is good enough in zone coverage but should never be in man to man coverage. His calling card is his downhill style of play.

7- Brent Bowden P Virginia Tech- Rocca sucks, Bowden does not so Bowden is drafted. Bowden placed 72 punts inside the twenties in the past 3 seasons compared to only 28 touchbacks. He has shown the ability to good hang time on punts and he has shown the ability to directionally punt. Hopefully Bowden can supplant Rocca because Rocca is probably the worst punter in the NFL.

Roster:
QB: McNabb/ Kolb
RB: McCoy/ Bell/ Buckley
FB: Weaver
X: Maclin/ Baskett
Z: Jackson/ Norwood
Y: Avant/ Edwards

TE: Celek/ Ingram/ Rucker
LT: Peters
LG: Herramens/Saffold
C: Jackson/ Cole/ McGlynn
RG: {Nick Cole} Jean-Giles/ Andrews
RT: Justice/ Tupou

*I actually want to make a comment here, the Eagles depth chart for the line is always really fluid because they like guys with a lot of versatility so in reality the back up LT is Herramens. Saffold could play LT, LG, RG or RT, Nick Cole has played LG, C and RG, Mike McGlynn is another C, RG or LG player, Max Jean-Giles has played both LG and RG, Stacy Andrews lined up at both LG and RG last year, Tupou is versatile guy, he played LT at Oregon but fits on the right side at right tackle but the Eagles are moving him inside as well so he is a guy who will eventually be able to play LG, RG or RT and the Eagles did a nice job and stashed him away on IR for the year last year to keep him from being snatched up. The only guys who don't move around on the line are Jamaal Jackson, Jason Peters and Winston Justice.

LE: Tapp/ Parker/ Abiamiri
UT: Patterson
NT: Bunkley/ Dixon
RE: Cole/ Worilds

SLB: Butler/ Fokou
MLB: Bradley/ [Joe Mays or Mike McLaughlin]
WLB: Jordan/ Gaither
*In reality, Gaither is the back-up and after him would be Butler at MLB

LCB: Samuel/ Verner
NB: Jackson
SS: Mikell/ Wright
FS: Jackson/ Harris/ Demps
RCB: Brown/ Hobbs
*Hobbs would obviously start over Verner if Samuel went down and the Eagles have Jackson Harris and Demps who all slide down to NB at times.

K: Akers
P: Bowden
LS: Dorenbos

And Skelton gets put on "IR" ( ;) ) after the preseason

frubulubu
03-21-2010, 12:02 AM
Intresting Mock, Thump. Eagles trading out of the firdt, hey?

Sniper
03-21-2010, 09:24 AM
http://michigan.scout.com/a.z?s=162&p=9&c=2&cid=955107&yr=2011

In the National Football League, the kicker and punter are the most underappreciated and forgotten players on a 53-man roster. But when a game is close and a field goal or good field position is needed, they’re the most valuable. So, it’s important for teams to do their due diligence and always investigate ways to improve their special teams units.

Scout.com has learned that three teams, the Kansas City Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles and New England Patriots, have scheduled workouts with one of the top punters in the 2010 NFL Draft, Michigan’s Zoltan Mesko. Mesko will work out for the Chiefs on March 26th, the Eagles on March 30th and the Patriots on April 14th or 15th; all workouts will be conducted at the University of Michigan.

After Michigan’s official Pro Day on March 12th concluded, Scout.com also learned that Mesko worked out for the Indianapolis Colts and New York Jets.

A four-year starter at Michigan, the 6-foot-5, 240-pound Mesko, who is Romanian-born, averaged a career-high 44.5 yards per attempt this past season. Mesko ranks second in school history with a 42.5-yard average, and he got stronger and improved his distance and hangtime every year. This offseason, Mesko participated in the Senior Bowl and Scouting Combine, and while he’s considered to be a top specialist in this year’s class, he’s still developing and has to correct his directional punting.

Do ittttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Morton
03-21-2010, 11:20 AM
That is probably the most boring mock for the Eagles I've seen this offseason, Thumper.

No offense, but I'd be disappointed if that's how the Eagles drafted this year, even if it is a solid "depth" draft. I want at least ONE draft pick that will intrigue and excite me.

Thumper
03-21-2010, 01:19 PM
That is probably the most boring mock for the Eagles I've seen this offseason, Thumper.

No offense, but I'd be disappointed if that's how the Eagles drafted this year, even if it is a solid "depth" draft. I want at least ONE draft pick that will intrigue and excite me.

I would be thrilled with that draft, finding immediate starters at P, SLB and CB while at the same time shoring up the offensive line, finding a nice situational pass rusher and finding a gadget player on offense while also grabbing 2 potential future starters in Verner and Wright.

I don't know what you mean by flashy or intruiging though.

eaglesalltheway
03-21-2010, 03:24 PM
Hell yes, put him at RG and boom, all-pro.

Or RT, Davis is a beast, if we didn't have Peters, I'd think about trading up a bit for him to even play LT. He is a great prospect simply on the field, and Castillo could help take care of his off field issues.

frubulubu
03-21-2010, 11:29 PM
On your mock...I like Jackson, not big on Saffold, his overall strength will hurt him both on the run and in the pass. Major Wright is physical, but is a tweener, I see him more fitted for the Tampa D. Worilds is coming off shoulder injury, but I can seehim playing in our system. Butler, is a sound LB, and a solid tackler. He is versitle and diagnosis plays extremly well. Verner, is one I like as well. A ball hawk like Samuel, but wont get beat deep. I dont think the Eagles draft two qb's, and that being Skelton. Edwards, is the guy I see them taking, He is fast, and a playmaker. I would love to see the Eagles go for Bowden, and release Sav. Great Mock, I really do mean it.

Morton
03-22-2010, 12:09 AM
Thumper: I want a potential "impact" player I can get excited about.

Any one of the following: Jerry Hughes, Brandon Graham, Earl Thomas, Sean Weatherspoon, Mike Iupati, Kyle Wilson... or even something crazy like a big trade-up for Eric Berry.

I know you're going to tell me that none of them are going to be available at #24, but I think that's wrong.

Thumper
03-22-2010, 12:29 AM
What makes Kyle Wilson more impactful than Kareem Jackson? Or what makes Sean Weatherspoon more impactful than Donald Butler?

EDIT: Donald Butler last season had 2 interceptions, 3 forced fumbles and 74.5 tackles while Weatherspoon had 1 interception and 1 forced fumble.

I am going to change my Saffold pick to something better, I'm thinking the OG from Illinois who's name is slipping my mind right now, he plays mean and he is really well rounded, he can create holes in the run game, can handle pass protection and he is good when being pulled and trapped.

Also with the addition of Tapp I don't think an everydown DE is a need anymore, now I think they can focus on situational pass rushers instead.

frubulubu
03-22-2010, 07:33 AM
Somebody will slip thru the cracks and the Eagles will jump on him ala Jeremy Mc. If that does not happen, then I see our selfs trading down. Honestly, I dont see why they would trade down, as opposed of trading up. I know they just traded for tapp, but if a Brandon Graham is available in the teens I see AR, pulling the trigger.

eaglesalltheway
03-22-2010, 07:51 AM
Thumper: I want a potential "impact" player I can get excited about.

Any one of the following: Jerry Hughes, Brandon Graham, Earl Thomas, Sean Weatherspoon, Mike Iupati, Kyle Wilson... or even something crazy like a big trade-up for Eric Berry.

I know you're going to tell me that none of them are going to be available at #24, but I think that's wrong.

Hughes could be there, but he is a bad fit, Graham seems like he'll be gone, same with Thomas, Witherspoon, Iupati, and Wilson could be gone as well. He and Hughes have the best shot at being there, and I'd much rather Wilson that Hughes. This is a case where, for the most part, I agree with Thumper

eaglesalltheway
03-22-2010, 07:53 AM
Somebody will slip thru the cracks and the Eagles will jump on him ala Jeremy Mc. If that does not happen, then I see our selfs trading down. Honestly, I dont see why they would trade down, as opposed of trading up. I know they just traded for tapp, but if a Brandon Graham is available in the teens I see AR, pulling the trigger.

I don't think so, Tapp is a good DE and will fit in well at LE in our defense. I think if we would get a DE, it will be later on, maybe the third round or so, since we do still need DEs.

frubulubu
03-22-2010, 08:20 AM
I don't think so, Tapp is a good DE and will fit in well at LE in our defense. I think if we would get a DE, it will be later on, maybe the third round or so, since we do still need DEs.

I agree with you on Tapp, he is a good DE, and will contribute. If for somehow Graham should slip, I dont see why they wont trade up. That being said, I much prefer Wilson, and wish he would slide. Do I see that happening, no. The only thing im sure of, is that he wont draft LB's in the first round.

frubulubu
03-22-2010, 08:37 AM
Has anyone heard of Ali Villanueva? Have a buddy who is in the Army and obviously supports the Army Football program. He told me about this kid, The guy is 6-9, 277. He started playing DE, then switched to OT and played there for 3 years. Last season he moved to WR, He is moving to TE, if he makes in the pros. I dont see him being drafted, but I dont remember seeing a TE/WR that tall.

camp_eagles
03-22-2010, 10:55 AM
Has anyone heard of Ali Villanueva? Have a buddy who is in the Army and obviously supports the Army Football program. He told me about this kid, The guy is 6-9, 277. He started playing DE, then switched to OT and played there for 3 years. Last season he moved to WR, He is moving to TE, if he makes in the pros. I dont see him being drafted, but I dont remember seeing a TE/WR that tall.

I went to the army UB game last year hes not that good he was beat a few times and didnt look comfortable playing OT.

brat316
03-22-2010, 11:23 AM
Yeah thats cause he is not a OT, more of Te or WR. But all the only thing he has going for him is his height. Played against Temple didn't do much. And he has to go serve for 2 year before he can play, i think not sure.

eaglesalltheway
03-22-2010, 01:52 PM
I agree with you on Tapp, he is a good DE, and will contribute. If for somehow Graham should slip, I dont see why they wont trade up. That being said, I much prefer Wilson, and wish he would slide. Do I see that happening, no. The only thing im sure of, is that he wont draft LB's in the first round.

Witht the DE situation now, I don't see the Eagles trading up for a DE. If Graham or Morgan fall all the way to 22ish, they may give up a 6th rounder like last year to ensure they get who they want, but I don't see them giving up anything more than that to trade up for a DE, with who they have already. If they trade up, it will be for CB, S, or OL. That's how I see it anyway.

Morton
03-22-2010, 02:29 PM
I was watching this video recently:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12173/video-on-the-clock-eagles

And I got really depressed. They keep talking about how the Eagles need improvement "up the middle" at all positions: S, LB, and DT. Add to that the needs at OL and even potentially DE and CB, and we're looking at a team that will, in no way, come close to filling its holes come 2010. As far as I can tell, this team will not be a contender next year, and will most likely look to 2010 and potentially even 2011 as rebuilding years.

Dammit. There would be nothing sweeter than seeing the Eagles win a Super Bowl in Cowboys Stadium, right? Too bad it probably won't happen in 2010.

cunningham06
03-22-2010, 02:29 PM
Like everyone's been saying, Tapp solves the every down DE problem, but just imagine if JPP were to fall. JPP could be an otherworldly pass rusher in the NFL, the major concerns are about his ability to hold up against the run. If we could bring him along at first just as a situational pass rusher, and eventually as an every down DE he could be incredible.

I'm just not expecting all that much from Tapp. I think he will be solid, but nothing special. Our front 4 are often left to get after the qb by themselves, whereas in Seattle they had very capable blitzing LB's behind Tapp to help free him up to make plays. While I think he will be adequate, I think it's important to not kid ourselves that he is the answer at DE.

Edit: and as for Thumper's mock, a solid job, not flashy, but solid. And if we only got a 4th for Vick that would be robbery. Come on, he's more valuable than Gocong...

Thumper
03-22-2010, 04:36 PM
I was watching this video recently:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12173/video-on-the-clock-eagles

And I got really depressed. They keep talking about how the Eagles need improvement "up the middle" at all positions: S, LB, and DT. Add to that the needs at OL and even potentially DE and CB, and we're looking at a team that will, in no way, come close to filling its holes come 2010. As far as I can tell, this team will not be a contender next year, and will most likely look to 2010 and potentially even 2011 as rebuilding years.

Dammit. There would be nothing sweeter than seeing the Eagles win a Super Bowl in Cowboys Stadium, right? Too bad it probably won't happen in 2010.

You're going to change your opinion of a team because ESPN said it?

We all know that the Eagles don't need DT help, they've got Bunk, Patterson and Dixon coupled with Tapp and Abiamiri when they move inside on third down, help inside isn't need in the least.
At LB the Eagles have Stewart Bradley coming back, Omar Gaither coming back, Akeem Jordan will be healthy and Moses Fokou has shown the athletic ability to at least be a good reserve and the coaches really like him. The Eagles need some depth but the starters are pretty much set unless the Eagles grab someone early which isn't likely considering Andy Reid doesn't value linebackers highly.
And at safety the Eagles could use a SS backup but that isn't a huge problem and the group is solid with Quintin Mikell, Marlin Jackson, a better Macho Harris and hopefully Quintin Demps can take some steps to fulfilling his potential.
And at CB the group is very good, the Eagles could definitely use a first round talent to eventually supplant Brown and help make it so that Brown won't wear down by the end of the year like he did last year. But Asante Samuel is as good as it gets on the opposite side, Joselio Hanson is a good nickel, Ellis Hobbs is a decent depth player and the Eagles have Marlin Jackson, Macho Harris and Quintin Demps all three of whom will slide down and play nickel and dime on occasion.


The talent is in place on defense, all thats needed are some role players and some much needed depth. And we all know the offense is set and will most likely set the scoring record again next season with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek, LeSean McCoy, Leonard Weaver and Jason Avant returning, Ingram returning and new additions in Mike Bell and a gluttony of depth receivers.

eaglesalltheway
03-22-2010, 07:38 PM
You're going to change your opinion of a team because ESPN said it?

We all know that the Eagles don't need DT help, they've got Bunk, Patterson and Dixon coupled with Tapp and Abiamiri when they move inside on third down, help inside isn't need in the least.
At LB the Eagles have Stewart Bradley coming back, Omar Gaither coming back, Akeem Jordan will be healthy and Moses Fokou has shown the athletic ability to at least be a good reserve and the coaches really like him. The Eagles need some depth but the starters are pretty much set unless the Eagles grab someone early which isn't likely considering Andy Reid doesn't value linebackers highly.
And at safety the Eagles could use a SS backup but that isn't a huge problem and the group is solid with Quintin Mikell, Marlin Jackson, a better Macho Harris and hopefully Quintin Demps can take some steps to fulfilling his potential.
And at CB the group is very good, the Eagles could definitely use a first round talent to eventually supplant Brown and help make it so that Brown won't wear down by the end of the year like he did last year. But Asante Samuel is as good as it gets on the opposite side, Joselio Hanson is a good nickel, Ellis Hobbs is a decent depth player and the Eagles have Marlin Jackson, Macho Harris and Quintin Demps all three of whom will slide down and play nickel and dime on occasion.


The talent is in place on defense, all thats needed are some role players and some much needed depth. And we all know the offense is set and will most likely set the scoring record again next season with DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek, LeSean McCoy, Leonard Weaver and Jason Avant returning, Ingram returning and new additions in Mike Bell and a gluttony of depth receivers.

Though I agree there are no glaring holes in our interior, especially with our recent additions, I would not be surprised to see a DT drafted, especially if the team would only pick up one more DE, the last few years they have carried 10 DL, most of that time there were 6 DEs, this year may only be 5, and more competition at DT won't hurt at all. DE could use a boost in terms of pass rushing, and I would like a LB addressed early (for Reids standards, ie 3rd or 4th round) And though I am iffy on Jackson, we have 3 potential players at FS, neither of whom are a bad option, and the only need, as you said, that is of any urgency, is a backup SS.

Ideally, in this draft, with 8 picks, I'd like to see OL, DE, LB, CB. and SS addressed for sure, with other potentially higher needs at DT, another DE, LB depth, CB depth, and P. Depending on trades (Vick, whoever) or someone falling, I can see QB and FS as other positions that could be addressed, but would be fine if things at those positions stayed the same as they are now. Many positions in that second group are fine the way they are now as well, but could use upgrades.

frubulubu
03-22-2010, 10:00 PM
Talking heads at espn, I would rather listen to the talking heads at sesame at least they are educational.

eaglesalltheway
03-23-2010, 06:15 AM
Talking heads at espn, I would rather listen to the talking heads at sesame at least they are educational.

Many people are beginning to realize ESPN's coverage of sports news is a joke. They are a great source of finding out what is new, but when I want to actually get some info, ESPN is the last place I'll go.

frubulubu
03-24-2010, 08:53 AM
Here is a list of ten DE that could be wearing Eagle Green from this years draft class. Many are a long shot and some wont be available. I will post ten for every position, unless you boo me and plead me not to, lol.Go ahead and critique or add your own personal ten if you want. and in no relative order:

1. JPP- USF
2. D. Morgan-Georgia Tech
3. Ricky Sapp- Clemson
4. Brandon Graham- Michigan
5. Alex Carrington (le) Arkansas State
6. Jason Worilds- VIrginia Tech
7. Austen Lane- Murray State
8. Lindsey Witten- Connecticut
9. Greg Hardy Mississippi
10. Hall Davis- Louisiana Lafayette

eaglesalltheway
03-24-2010, 09:02 AM
Here is a list of ten DE that could be wearing Eagle Green from this years draft class. Many are a long shot and some wont be available. I will post ten for every position, unless you boo me and plead me not to, lol.Go ahead and critique or add your own personal ten if you want. and in no relative order:

1. JPP- USF
2. D. Morgan-Georgia Tech
3. Ricky Sapp- Clemson
4. Brandon Graham- Michigan
5. Alex Carrington (le) Arkansas State
6. Jason Worilds- VIrginia Tech
7. Austen Lane- Murray State
8. Lindsey Witten- Connecticut
9. Greg Hardy Mississippi
10. Hall Davis- Louisiana Lafayette

IDK about anyone else, but I think this would be much better if it were the 5 or 6 most likely at each position of need, factoring in fit and availablility.

For me, the 6 most likely DE, regardless of round, are...
1. Griffen (most likely of the round one DEs available, and the best fit of the ones avaialble.
2. Graham. A better fit than Griffen, but less likely to be available.
3. Carrington. More likely available in round 2, and a decent fit.
4. Worilds. A good fit as a pass rusher, available with one of our third rounders.
5. Morgan. Just as good a fit as Graham, but less likely than even Graham to be available.
6. Sapp. Likely available for our third rounders, and a decent fit as well.

brat316
03-24-2010, 10:57 AM
Ricky Sapp is god awful. His move is to run pass the OT, he has been injury prone, and hasn't done anything till the second half of the year. On running plays he gets man handled.

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eagles6606
03-24-2010, 11:09 AM
Somebody will slip thru the cracks and the Eagles will jump on him ala Jeremy Mc. If that does not happen, then I see our selfs trading down. Honestly, I dont see why they would trade down, as opposed of trading up. I know they just traded for tapp, but if a Brandon Graham is available in the teens I see AR, pulling the trigger.

I agree with you. I think this year the Eagles will look to move up, not down. The most likely target is a DE or FS. Look for the Eagles to move up and get a Derrick Morgan, Taylor Mays, or Earl Thomas.

eaglesalltheway
03-24-2010, 11:44 AM
I agree with you. I think this year the Eagles will look to move up, not down. The most likely target is a DE or FS. Look for the Eagles to move up and get a Derrick Morgan, Taylor Mays, or Earl Thomas.

Graham, Iupati, and Davis are possibilities as well if they look to trade up.

frubulubu
03-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Fair enough i will keep it to six per position.

Todd Bertuzzi
03-24-2010, 05:20 PM
I like Sapp but I see his best fit coming as a 3-4 OLB.

eaglesalltheway
03-25-2010, 02:52 PM
I like Sapp but I see his best fit coming as a 3-4 OLB.

He is a little slender for my liking (no ****) but if since we have our starting DL in order right now, and we need a situational pass rushing DE, he can be groomed into a great speed rush DE for us.

Todd Bertuzzi
03-25-2010, 04:15 PM
Yeah I think he can play 4-3 end too. He has the height, he would just need to hit the gym hard his first year and put on weight like you said. Love his motor although he can be pretty inconsistent.

frubulubu
03-25-2010, 10:38 PM
Sapp, can develop, with out being pushed to start. We lost Howard, Babin and Clemons in the offseason. With the addition of Tapp, I could see the team drafting two ends. Any more comments on the ends before I move on to the next position?

eaglesalltheway
03-26-2010, 06:11 AM
Sapp, can develop, with out being pushed to start. We lost Howard, Babin and Clemons in the offseason. With the addition of Tapp, I could see the team drafting two ends. Any more comments on the ends before I move on to the next position?

As I've said, two DEs drafted is something that I see as possible, but the team could also draft a DE and another DT, or just draft one DE and go with 9 DL on the final roster, it all depends where the value is.

frubulubu
03-26-2010, 11:45 PM
Heckert's departure to Cleveland, also ment that four of our scouts left with him to the Browns. Does anyone see that affecting our draft this year?

eaglesalltheway
03-26-2010, 11:50 PM
Heckert's departure to Cleveland, also ment that four of our scouts left with him to the Browns. Does anyone see that affecting our draft this year?

Of course it will if college scouts were taken out of their positions, we'll just see if it affects the scouting department as a whole better or worse. If the scouts that left were just NFL scouts and not college scouts, and none of the old college scouts took over NFL scouting positions, it won't affect the drafts at all. Who all left?

frubulubu
03-27-2010, 08:41 AM
According to "bleedinggreen.com" The Eagles had a visit with University of Buffalo safety Mike Newton. They also say that the Eagles will have Eric Berry for a visit. Even if we traded with Oakland and got thier 8th pick, I dont think Berry would be available.

Morton
03-27-2010, 07:29 PM
According to "bleedinggreen.com" The Eagles had a visit with University of Buffalo safety Mike Newton. They also say that the Eagles will have Eric Berry for a visit. Even if we traded with Oakland and got thier 8th pick, I dont think Berry would be available.

He's not going to be picked at #1-#4.

Kansas City is more than likely going to pick a LT with the #5 pick or trade down. I'd be shocked if Pioli picks a safety with the #5 pick.

So that leaves the #6 and #7 picks of Seattle and Cleveland. Seattle and Cleveland *might* select Berry with their picks, but they also have other big needs that they might want to fill instead. Seattle might want C.J. Spiller, Jimmy Clausen, or a LT, and Cleveland might want Joe Haden instead of Berry.

But if the Eagles do get the #8 pick and truly desire Berry, and feel that either Seattle or Cleveland will pick him if given the opportunity, they can package something to move up from #8 to #5, as Kansas City will probably be more than willing to trade down if given the opportunity, and then the Eagles will be guaranteed to get Berry at the #5 spot.

Thumper
03-28-2010, 01:30 AM
Alright Morton, how is this for upside in the draft:
Trade McNabb for a top 42 pick in the second round (I don't want to go through the logistics and figure out who)
Browns sign Gocong which means they give us a 4th round pick

1- Kyle Wilson CB Boise St.- This guy has upside coming out the ears IMO. When you think of this guy think Asante Samuel but younger, faster than Asante ever was and more adept in man coverage. He has the ability to run with anyone, stick with receivers in and out of their breaks and he has really fluid hips. His ball skills are some of the best in the draft knocking away 27 passes and snatching 11 interceptions in his 4 years at Boise St. During his senior year teams stopped testing him so his numbers were on a downward trend. But what really seals the deal on this Asante Samuel comparison is his tackling skills, which like Asante aren’t very good. Actually I changed my mind, the dreadlocks sealed the deal on this comparison. He is also a good punt returner 12.5 yards a return for his career with 3 touchdowns.

*For the rest I don’t feel like doing drawn out explanations so…

2- Nate Allen S USF- well rounded, intelligent, hardworking, rangy and good tackling safety

2- Dexter McCluster WR/RB/KR Ole Miss.- Explosive offensive weapon in dimunitive form just like the Eagles like, he will be a Y receiver, a 3rd down RB and a kick returner.

3- John Jerry OG Ole Miss- Road grader in the run game who can pass block as well, stamina issues force him to fall but if he is in shape he is every bit as talented as Mike Iupati as a OG.

3-Donald Butler LB Washington- Well rounded linebacker who can play the run, play the pass, blitz and he can play sideline to sideline. Also he is very versatile.

4- Rahim Alem DE LSU- Situational pass rusher, nice burst off the line and should be a nice addition to the rotation.

4- Rennie Curran LB Georgia- Ferocious and fiery linebacker who is short but he is aggressive, extremely strong and can hold up in run defense and in pass defense, he is short and super stocky.

5- Al Woods NT LSU- Run stuffer and nothing more at this point, has loads of potential and he is needed so that Leonard Davis doesn’t own Mike Patterson against the run anymore.
-http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Al-Woods-hidden-gem-in-a-deep-DL-class.html

6- Zoltan Mesko P Michigan- Beast. He is huge, makes tackles, he is a great kickoff guy and he is much much much better than Sav Rocca. Plus his name is awesome.

7- Dedrick Epps TE Miami- A TE who is well rounded, he can catch and he can block, he plays with a lot of enthusiasm.

7- Matt Nichols QB Eastern Washington- A late QB pick with potential, think Tony Romo when you think of this guy, he is mobile and he has a creative element to his game.

Basically the point of this draft is to beat the Cowboys, the Eagles were completely dominated in the field position battle so the Eagles bring in Kyle Wilson, Dexter McCluster and Zoltan Mesko to help fix that, they’re all good special teams players. The Eagles secondary really struggled so the Eagles bring in Kyle Wilson and Nate Allen who would shore up the secondary. The Eagles had a hard time creating holes up the middle of the defense, enter John Jerry. The Eagles linebackers looked completely awful, enter Rennie Curran and Donald Butler. And the Eagles defensive tackles couldn’t stop the run up the middle to save their lives against Felix Jones, enter Al Woods.

QB- Kolb/ Vick/ Nichols
RB- McCoy/ Bell/ Buckley
FB- Weaver
WR- X- Maclin Z- Jackson Y- Avant; Baskett, McCluster

TE- Celek/ Ingram/ Rucker
LT- Peters
LG- Herramens/ Andrews
C- Cole/ McGlynn/ Jackson (hurt)
RG- Jerry/ Jean-Giles
RT- Justice/ Tupou

LE- Tapp/ Parker/ Abiamiri
LDT- Patterson/Woods
RDT- Bunkley/ Dixon
RE- Cole/ Alem

SLB- Butler/ Fokou
MLB- Bradley/ Gaither
WLB- Jordan/ Curran

CB- Samuel/ Brown/ Wilson/ Hanson/ Hobbs
FS- Jackson/ Harris/ Demps
SS- Mikell/ Allen

K- Akers
P- Mesko
LS- Dorenbos

Thumper
03-28-2010, 03:32 AM
I swear if the Eagles draft Carlos Dunlap or Taylor Mays I am going to want to kill something, those two are epic busts in the making. Just thinking of those two in midnight green makes me cringe... Ugh... Terrible mental image.

Go_Eagles77
03-28-2010, 09:26 AM
I can see Carlos Dunlap having a Michael Johnson-esque fall, and I can't say I'd be against giving him a shot in the 3rd, but that's as early as I'd take him.

frubulubu
03-28-2010, 09:45 AM
Thump, is that your new mock?

Todd Bertuzzi
03-28-2010, 11:07 AM
I would love it if we took Mays. I think he would thrive in our scheme, especially with Dick Jauron working with him. He seems like one of those layers who ends up being a lot more productive in the pros than in college.

brat316
03-28-2010, 11:32 AM
I swear if the Eagles draft Carlos Dunlap or Taylor Mays I am going to want to kill something, those two are epic busts in the making. Just thinking of those two in midnight green makes me cringe... Ugh... Terrible mental image.

Dunlap yeah, i fail to see how May is going to be a bust. He doesn't have the hips to play man to man in coverage, but he has the size to stop the run which we have seen him do and he has the ability to play deep and cover and lay people out. Don't give me that he doesn't make plays in the secondary like ints. There are only a handful of safeties in the league that are that impact full in the secondary. Even Brain Dawkins wasn't an Int machine, but he could play the run, drop back in coverage and lay hits.


Not trying to compare him to Dawkins but just saying I don't see how he is gonna be a bust. He is a hard worker, and has the intangibles. Dunlap on the other hand is lazy, slow on tape and doesn't look like he wants to give an effort.

Thumper
03-28-2010, 01:00 PM
Okay here is the problem, Dawkins played some CB in college and developed into a stud FS later in his career at Clemson. Brian Dawkins had amazing hips and he was top notch in coverage.

Here is my problem with Taylor Mays, he has no instincts, no ball skills and isn't good in run support. Taylor Mays overruns plays going for the huge hit, he doesn't wrap up and he takes some bad angles. In coverage Taylor Mays is pretty good in deep zone coverage but in man coverage he lacks the agility and quickness to stay with receivers and he has tight hips. And his ball skills are non-existent. He is big and fast, all I'm seeing is Laron Landry part 2. Honestly if I want big hits in the secondary, I'm taking Major Wright who can actually play in man coverage and zone coverage and has actually played well in run support.

Thumper
03-28-2010, 01:00 PM
Thump, is that your new mock?

yezzir it is

camp_eagles
03-28-2010, 01:56 PM
3- John Jerry OG Ole Miss- Road grader in the run game who can pass block as well, stamina issues force him to fall but if he is in shape he is every bit as talented as Mike Iupati as a OG.


That scouting report sounds very similar to Max Jean Gilles' coming out of college.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/413688

Thumper
03-28-2010, 02:01 PM
That scouting report sounds very similar to Max Jean Gilles' coming out of college.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/historical/413688

I think Jerry is more quick and nimble than MJG is, and MJG has been good in the past but he sucked monkey nuts against Jay Ratliff and the Cowboys' front 7 since he couldn't get to the second level which is basically a requirement against a 3-4 front. I mean Jerry isn't super fast or anything but it doesn't take much to be more agile than this:
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/HCHECFOAKMOD/jeangilles_cmb470_060430.jpg

Max definitely has a place on this team, he is better than Stacy Andrews and against 4-3 teams he can be a very good OG but he really struggles with 3-4 defenses.

superman8456
03-28-2010, 02:07 PM
Anybody think Ciron Black might be a good RG for us? He could be a steal in the 4th.

frubulubu
03-28-2010, 02:28 PM
Anybody think Ciron Black might be a good RG for us? He could be a steal in the 4th.

Andy Reid can convert frogs, into great guards.

Go_Eagles77
03-28-2010, 06:11 PM
I actually like that idea a lot, Black would make a pretty damn good guard.

Thumper
03-28-2010, 08:06 PM
How do you guys feel about Javier Arenas?

Personally I would like to have him on the Eagles, he is probably the most physical corner in this draft and Daniel Jeremiah says he has the best ball skills as well. Arenas is pretty much a ready made nickel who can start from day 1 in that spot while also returning punts and kicks. He can blitz as shown by his 5 sacks and 4 QB hurries and he can defend the run as shown by his 69 tackles and 12 tackles for a loss. Essentially you get a immediate role player with potential to eventually start. Not a guy who is overly athletic but he is just a gamer at the CB spot who came up with 3 interceptions against Florida and Texas in the SEC Championship and National Championship.

frubulubu
03-28-2010, 08:54 PM
Does not have elite size or speed, to challenge the biggers Wr's. That said, the majority of WR's are smaller and quicker now a days. His size does not bother me, as much as his speed does. What he lacks in speed, he more than makes up for it on instincts. He plays alot faster on the field than his forty time would indicate. He is physical and and can press cover and makes immediate tackles after the catch. I love this guy, and see him going in the second round. He is, if you will, a poor mans, Wilson. If we can nab both, we will be in business.

frubulubu
03-28-2010, 10:53 PM
@ Thump's Mock...
1. Wilson- Everyones fav sweatheart. Imo, he is the best CB, and would take him over, Haden. Ballhawk, with physical presence.
2. Allen- This has to be the most underrated S, in this years draft. If he were available for us, id thrilled.
2. McCluster- Explosive athlete, great hands and great YAC. Can play the wildcat, and return punts and kicks. Size is an issue, and his fumbles troubles.
3. Jerry- Great talent, nimble and agile for a guy his size. Struggles with weight issues.
3. Butler- commented on your previous mock.
4. Alem- Tapp/Cole...can be develop without being asked to impact immediatly.
4. Curran- A Tweener, who bites on PA.
5. Woods- Two gap DT, who can add depth.
6. Mesko- commented on previous mock.
7. Epps- Ingrams, injuries will make a draft choice likely. Talented receiver with great speed. Very raw blocker, and will need to develop his blocking skills.
7. Nichols- Will simply be added for depth.

This is a great mock and doubt we would land Wilson and Allen, but it would be nice. I will add my own mock, later so you can jab at it.

Thumper
03-29-2010, 02:42 AM
Only problem I have with that criticism is Rennie Curran being called a tweener

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/object3/1838/32/n48343889089_700.jpg

That is certainly not the case, Curran is a monster.

frubulubu
03-29-2010, 07:39 AM
He is a physical specimen, but his height is what im refering to. There have been solid LB, that have been on the shorter side, Jessie Tuggle and Zach Thomas. Every time I saw him play, he always stands out for being short. Hey even the great GM's dont score 100% in the fan popularity. Relax dude, you honestly do solid mocks. War Thumper!

cunningham06
03-29-2010, 12:11 PM
Curran would be sick at WLB. I really like Curran, he has been the Dawgs best LB two seasons in a row. Love his anticipation. Although the thing that worries me is I felt the same exact way about Buster Davis out of FSU when he was coming out. The difference is that Davis wasn't nearly as strong or quick as Curran, he had great instincts and was on the smaller side.

Thumper
03-29-2010, 12:59 PM
He is a physical specimen, but his height is what im refering to. There have been solid LB, that have been on the shorter side, Jessie Tuggle and Zach Thomas. Every time I saw him play, he always stands out for being short. Hey even the great GM's dont score 100% in the fan popularity. Relax dude, you honestly do solid mocks. War Thumper!

haha I'm not even mad, I'm just disagreeing.

princefielder28
03-29-2010, 04:58 PM
Hello Eagles fans! I, along with superman(and some numbers at the end) as my assistant, have been given the honors of working with the Eagles in this most recent forum mock. It's through about two rounds and I wanna get reaction from you guys.

Additions

DT Clifton Ryan (McNabb trade)
LB Derrick Johnson (for 87th pick)
DE Brandon Graham (18th pick)
OL Vladimir Ducasse (33rd pick, McNabb trade)
LB Donald Butler (64th pick)

Subtractions

QB Donovan McNabb

I have the 82nd and 140th picks remaining, and I plan to look at the secondary with those picks.

Thumper
03-29-2010, 05:49 PM
I like it, Duccasse has potential at 4 spots, Graham is a complete monster, Johnson is good, Clifton Ryan is a decent run stuffer and Butler is one of my favorite prospects at LB.

TACKLE
03-29-2010, 07:06 PM
I'm working on my mock right now. A question for Eagles fans...

If both Kindle and Iupati are on the board, who would be the better pick?

Thumper
03-29-2010, 07:16 PM
I'm working on my mock right now. A question for Eagles fans...

If both Kindle and Iupati are on the board, who would be the better pick?

I would go Iupati, especially if Kolb is starting. Whenever McNabb is out Andy changes his offense and it becomes balanced and if he wants to do that consistently over the course of the season he will need to upgrade the trio of Stacy Andrews, Max Jean-Gilles and Nick Cole. Also the Eagles really couldn't open up holes against Dallas and the Eagles running game hasn't been the same since Shawn Andrews went crazy and became soft.

Kindle might just become Chris Gocong part 2 which isn't needed for this team. Kindle certainly could play LB on 2 downs and DE on 1 but the Eagles never did that with Gocong so I don't know why they would start with Kindle.

But if Kareem Jackson, Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson or Devin McCourty are on the board, give the Eagles one of them. The Eagles need a Sheldon Brown replacement, Sheldon started breaking down last year, he was great the first half and then all of a sudden he turned into a turnstyle the last few weeks, injury or not he is 31 and he is only going to get worse, the Eagles need CB depth.

Todd Bertuzzi
03-29-2010, 07:59 PM
Kindle.....

Go_Eagles77
03-29-2010, 08:02 PM
I was bored so I just did a quick mock.

Trades
- Donovan McNabb traded to Oakland for pick #39
- Chris Gocong traded to Cleveland for pick #105
- Quintin Demps traded to Cincinnati for pick # 151

1. Maurkice Pouncey C/OG Florida
2a. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
2b. Morgan Burnett S Georgia Tech
3a. Jermaine Cunningham DE Florida
3b. Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State
4a. John Skelton QB Fordham
4b. Jeff Owens DT Georgia
5. James Starks RB Buffalo
6. Zoltan Mesko P Michigan
7a. Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
7b. Chris Scott OT Tennessee

Thumper
03-29-2010, 08:04 PM
We have New Orleans' 5th rounder, Matt Mosley is wrong.

BTW that is a good mock draft, Pouncey is a stud and so is Jackson. And there are a bunch of solid players through the whole thing. Chris Scott would move to OG right?

superman8456
03-29-2010, 08:19 PM
I would love to get Eric Decker, Jordan Shipley, or Riley Cooper in one of these drafts.

Eric Decker would be a fantastic red zone target. He's just a flat out good player, but fell because of an injury. He could be absolutely AMAZING value.

Jordan Shipley is like a younger Kevin Curtis. He could also provide us with a good KR/PR guy. He's flying under the radar right now.

Riley Cooper is an intriguing prospect. I dont know how I feel about him exactly, but I know he could be had for later in the draft or in the middle. Could possibly become good value.

I think WR is a place we could hit during the draft.

frubulubu
03-29-2010, 09:38 PM
I'm working on my mock right now. A question for Eagles fans...

If both Kindle and Iupati are on the board, who would be the better pick?

Either would make me happy. Depending if what we do before the draft. Would love the OT, but Kindle would help our D, tremendously. I think I would lean a little more on Kindle, a tad.

eaglesalltheway
03-30-2010, 01:06 PM
I was bored so I just did a quick mock.

Trades
- Donovan McNabb traded to Oakland for pick #39
- Chris Gocong traded to Cleveland for pick #105
- Quintin Demps traded to Cincinnati for pick # 151

1. Maurkice Pouncey C/OG Florida
2a. Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
2b. Morgan Burnett S Georgia Tech
3a. Jermaine Cunningham DE Florida
3b. Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State
4a. John Skelton QB Fordham
4b. Jeff Owens DT Georgia
5. James Starks RB Buffalo
6. Zoltan Mesko P Michigan
7a. Nate Byham TE Pittsburgh
7b. Chris Scott OT Tennessee

I really like it a lot. I like Burnett, but even though the Eagles tend to value LB less, I'd like if they went LB earlier, and I think this will be the year they do so, if any. I think Navarro Bowman in the second round would be a smart, and potentially possible choice.

That being said, if the draft turned out anything like this, I would be very, very, very happy.

cunningham06
03-30-2010, 02:45 PM
What's with Iupati OT talk? From everything I've heard when he tried his hand at tackle in the senior bowl he struggled pretty mightily. I think he's the consummate guard and should stay at that position. I'd love to have a mauler at guard, but I just like Kindle too much to say we shouldn't take him.

I know people say that Kindle could be Gocong 2.0, but I believe that for one he is more fluid in space than Gocong, and a better natural athlete. Gocong puts up some great numbers in workouts, but when the pads are on he can't hack it as a LB. I believe Sergio can. He is straight up nasty. Can't say enough about the guy, he is one of my favorite prospects and I'd love to see him in Eagles green.

That said can he cover Witten? Probably not, but I put quite a bit of the fault on McDermott for not figuring out ways to mask that deficiency in our defense better. There are almost no SLB in the NFL who could cover Witten, and I think that our defense needs to figure out another way to deal with this problem than just throwing the SLB on him.

eaglesalltheway
03-30-2010, 04:07 PM
What's with Iupati OT talk? From everything I've heard when he tried his hand at tackle in the senior bowl he struggled pretty mightily. I think he's the consummate guard and should stay at that position. I'd love to have a mauler at guard, but I just like Kindle too much to say we shouldn't take him.

I know people say that Kindle could be Gocong 2.0, but I believe that for one he is more fluid in space than Gocong, and a better natural athlete. Gocong puts up some great numbers in workouts, but when the pads are on he can't hack it as a LB. I believe Sergio can. He is straight up nasty. Can't say enough about the guy, he is one of my favorite prospects and I'd love to see him in Eagles green.

That said can he cover Witten? Probably not, but I put quite a bit of the fault on McDermott for not figuring out ways to mask that deficiency in our defense better. There are almost no SLB in the NFL who could cover Witten, and I think that our defense needs to figure out another way to deal with this problem than just throwing the SLB on him.

I agree about Iupati, stick him at RG and you are set there as long as he is on your team. Put him at Tackle and that may not be the case. As far as Sergio, If he is coming is as an LB, that is a serious risk, and honestly, he wouldn't be much of an upgrade at SLB over Gocong. He is a more fluid athlete, but he isn't meant to be a SLB in a 4-3. Put him as a rush LB in the 3-4 or as a RE and you have a great player. He doesn't have the body type to be a successful LE and doesn't have quite the athletecism you want in a LB. Just my opinion though.

Thumper
03-30-2010, 06:23 PM
There is one thing I hate about knowing stuff about the draft, I am almost always disappointed on draft day.

For instance, I thought that Patrick Willis, Aaron Curry, Michael Griffin, Brandon Merriweather, Haloti Ngata, Reggie Nelson, Darelle Revis, Jonathan Stewart, Jeff Otah and Brian Cushing were all going to be beasts and I wanted the Eagles to draft them and then I watched their stocks just take off during the season or during the combine and they got well out of the Eagles reach.

This year, I really like Brandon Graham, Kyle Wilson, Rolando McClain and Kareem Jackson and now all 4 of them are projected to be gone by the time the Eagles pick. Also I'd like to throw Pouncey's name into that mix as well, he is going to be a stud and I've known that since before he declared and now everyone is on his bandwagon and he might go 11th overall.

I'm always disappointed on draft day for the most part because the players I had an eye on for the longest time go right before the Eagles pick and this year the Eagles are going to be stuck with choosing between the players I've been bashing for the entire season, Taylor Mays, Carlos Dunlap, Everson Griffen and Patrick Robinson.

Please if none of Brandon Graham, Kyle Wilson, Kareem Jackson, Rolando McClain or Maurkice Pouncey are on the board please just trade down and grab McCourty, Darryl Washington, Donald Butler or John Jerry.

Todd Bertuzzi
03-30-2010, 08:39 PM
Griffen and Mays will be better than all the players you named with the exception of maybe McCourty.

Morton
03-30-2010, 08:51 PM
Thumper: did you really predict Patrick Willis, Derelle Revis, and Haloti Ngata as "beasts"?

cunningham06
03-30-2010, 10:00 PM
Thumper: did you really predict Patrick Willis, Derelle Revis, and Haloti Ngata as "beasts"?

I sure did. Not so much Haloti, I really liked him though and wanted the Eagles to take him. Darrelle Revis was my favorite in the draft, and P Willis was my bust proof player.

frubulubu
03-30-2010, 10:05 PM
I was enamoured with Haloti Ngata, that year. And for some reason wanted Marcedes Lewis, lol.

Thumper
03-30-2010, 10:26 PM
Thumper: did you really predict Patrick Willis, Derelle Revis, and Haloti Ngata as "beasts"?

Absolutely, I remember seeing Revis on kick returns and thinking "Wow, Mahe sucks, this guy is good AND he can play corner." I remember seeing P-Willis going to the Eagles early on and I really wanted him to go to the Eagles. And I was practically praying during 2006 that Ngata fell to the Eagles who were picking #14 and then the Ravens traded up to #12 and I was ticked.

Morton
03-30-2010, 11:48 PM
Well, let's put it this way, Thumper.

ONE of the following is practically guaranteed to still be there at #24:

Kyle Wilson
Brandon Graham
Mike Iupati
Earl Thomas
Jerry Hughes
Sean Weatherspoon
Maurkice Pouncey

I can see MOST of these being picked in the first round before the Eagles have a shot at them, but I will be absolutely SHOCKED if every single one of these names is gone by #24. No way it happens. So as far as I'm concerned, the Eagles come away with at least ONE of these guys, and I'll be happy.

frubulubu
03-31-2010, 12:02 AM
Well, let's put it this way, Thumper.

ONE of the following is practically guaranteed to still be there at #24:

Kyle Wilson
Brandon Graham
Mike Iupati
Earl Thomas
Jerry Hughes
Sean Weatherspoon
Maurkice Pouncey



I say that at that point, Iupati, Hughes, and Weatherspoon will be available.

eaglesalltheway
03-31-2010, 11:55 AM
Thumper: did you really predict Patrick Willis, Derelle Revis, and Haloti Ngata as "beasts"?

A LOT of people knew that, or at least thought they knew, lol. Theses aren't great surprises, but for the most part, these were guys who everyone said, "barring injury, they will be a beast" Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE loved Willis, and many many people felt the same about Revis and Ngata.

eaglesalltheway
03-31-2010, 11:59 AM
I say that at that point, Iupati, Hughes, and Weatherspoon will be available.

I have a hard time believing Weatherspoon will be available. This reminds me of when Willis was in the draft and some people at this point were saying that there was an outside chance he'd be available for us, but by the time the draft came around, we all knew there was NO WAY. Weatherspoon will go top 20 IMO. I don't want Hughes anyway, doesn't fit what we'd want as a starting LE. If we are going to get a situational pass rusher, why spend a first rounder on one when we have needs at other positions? I'd also like to add Pouncey has a shot at being available.

Todd Bertuzzi
03-31-2010, 02:19 PM
I have a hard time believing Weatherspoon will be available. This reminds me of when Willis was in the draft and some people at this point were saying that there was an outside chance he'd be available for us, but by the time the draft came around, we all knew there was NO WAY. Weatherspoon will go top 20 IMO. I don't want Hughes anyway, doesn't fit what we'd want as a starting LE. If we are going to get a situational pass rusher, why spend a first rounder on one when we have needs at other positions? I'd also like to add Pouncey has a shot at being available.

I agree with all of this, but I just have one objection. While I agree that Weatherspoon has top 15 talent and should be gone by 24, I can see him lasting to our pick solely based on his position. There are few teams picking ahead of us who can afford to use their 1st round pick on an OLB and if he makes it past those few teams, there's a good chance he could fall to us. I would only hope that we would pull the trigger if he was there since the Eagles don't put too much value into the position and therefore don't like to invest a lot of money there.

Go_Eagles77
03-31-2010, 02:34 PM
The only problem with that is I don't think Weatherspoon is restricted to just being a 4-3 OLB. I think he can very easily be a ILB in both the 4-3 and 3-4 as well.

Todd Bertuzzi
03-31-2010, 02:38 PM
As do I, but again there are only 2 or 3 teams ahead of us who are legitimately considering him.

eaglesalltheway
03-31-2010, 02:44 PM
The only problem with that is I don't think Weatherspoon is restricted to just being a 4-3 OLB. I think he can very easily be a ILB in both the 4-3 and 3-4 as well.

Which is part of the reason I can't see him lasting until 24. Even though he isn't nearly the prospect Willis was, he is widely regaurded as a great prospect at the position. Willis had the versatility as well, and There are some people that say Weatherspoon can play any LB position in the 4-3 or either ILB in the 3-4. Though I think using him as a SAM in a 4-3 would be misusing his skills, it could be done, but outside of that, he can play at a high level in any scheme in multiple positions, much like Willis. TB, it'd be different if he was strictly a OLB, or ILB, and I'd agree with you if that was the case, but because of his ability to play in multiple spots, those teams that may pass him up will just allow teams further down (and ahead of us, unfortunately) the opportunity to fill their need, whether they be a 3-4 team with a need at MIKE or MACK, or a 4-3 team with a need at WILL or MIKE.

eaglesalltheway
03-31-2010, 02:45 PM
As do I, but again there are only 2 or 3 teams ahead of us who are legitimately considering him.

Do we really know who is considering him? We know the likely suspects (the Giants being one of them), but there are plenty of other teams in that range that could pick him.

Go_Eagles77
03-31-2010, 02:47 PM
Weatherspoon is my draft crush this year, but unfortuantely (and sometimes fortunately) ever since I've started watching the draft the eagles have never drafted one of my draft crushes, lol.

eaglesalltheway
03-31-2010, 02:50 PM
Weatherspoon is my draft crush this year, but unfortuantely (and sometimes fortunately) ever since I've started watching the draft the eagles have never drafted one of my draft crushes, lol.

There's always a few guys I fall in love with, Weatherspoon is one of them, Berry the other (duh), and we all know how I feel about Brandon Graham <3...

Go_Eagles77
03-31-2010, 02:56 PM
Haha yeah, usually there's one guy I set my heart on, in past years it's been:
2009 - Knowshon Moreno
2008 - Devin Thomas
2007 - Michael Griffin
2006 - Ernie Sims

But, this year, there's multiple guys I'd be very happy with. All the guys you mentioned, plus Maurkice Pouncey, Earl Thomas and Kyle Wilson.

eaglesalltheway
03-31-2010, 02:58 PM
Haha yeah, usually there's one guy I set my heart on, in past years it's been:
2009 - Knowshon Moreno
2008 - Devin Thomas
2007 - Michael Griffin
2006 - Ernie Sims

But, this year, there's multiple guys I'd be very happy with. All the guys you mentioned, plus Maurkice Pouncey, Earl Thomas and Kyle Wilson.

Those are two guys I really liked. I hated Thomas and didn't really care about Sims, mostly because I thought he wouldn't be available anyway.

I like Pouncey a lot, but I don't have the man crushes on these guys, except Thomas, he's crush worthy, lol.

Bigp5437
03-31-2010, 07:29 PM
Earl Thomas ran a 4.37 today at his pro day...unfortunately that just might elevate him out of our range:(

EDIT: Actually I take that back, it likely WILL put him out of our range, save for a trade

Thumper
03-31-2010, 10:15 PM
Yeah, Earl Thomas is long gone after posting a 4.3 at his proday, he was already not falling to the Eagles so he is probably going top 15 now.

Right now I'm hoping for Maurkice Pouncey or Anthony Davis, Davis is falling in all these community mocks that are going on around the internet with no one wanting him on their team. Pouncey is a guy who I REALLY want, he is such a stud and I've been saying that for months, he really is the ideal center, take him and he'll anchor the line for 10-12 years and dominate as well.

frubulubu
03-31-2010, 10:35 PM
Yeah, Earl Thomas is long gone after posting a 4.3 at his proday, he was already not falling to the Eagles so he is probably going top 15 now.

Right now I'm hoping for Maurkice Pouncey or Anthony Davis, Davis is falling in all these community mocks that are going on around the internet with no one wanting him on their team. Pouncey is a guy who I REALLY want, he is such a stud and I've been saying that for months, he really is the ideal center, take him and he'll anchor the line for 10-12 years and dominate as well.

I agree, this guy is such a stud, and wouldnt be upset if we traded to draft him. A pure center and a consistent one. Reid, has to work his magic and land this guy.

eaglesalltheway
04-01-2010, 06:46 AM
I agree, this guy is such a stud, and wouldnt be upset if we traded to draft him. A pure center and a consistent one. Reid, has to work his magic and land this guy.

It all depends on the situation, but I wouldn't want to trade more than what we did last year to secure Maclin to get Pouncey.

superman8456
04-01-2010, 07:48 AM
I'm happy Thomas posted that 40 time, because he is not my favorite S in this class. Dont get me wrong, I would love to have him, but one of my draft crushes is Major Wright. I just think hes an animal and will be an animal in the NFL.

eaglesalltheway
04-01-2010, 08:10 AM
Honestly, I'd rather spend a first on Thomas than a second on Wright... I'm not his biggest fan, but I wouldn't be upset if he was drafted to us either.

Morton
04-01-2010, 12:51 PM
He ran a 4.37.. on a very fast track. Alot of scouts are telling people to add roughly a .1 to that time, which would put him at a solid 4.41-4.47.

There's no reason that the Eagles can't trade up into the 10-19 range, which they have done in the past, to secure Thomas if they feel they really like him as a prospect.

Thumper
04-01-2010, 04:30 PM
Oh man... I completely forgot about Dezmon Briscoe... I thought he was a first round talent heading into this season, he has the talent but its all a question about motivation and attitude with him and he isn't raved about by Kansas coaches because of this. But this guy is a monster on the field, his sophomore year, he didn't get much attention because of having Crabtree and Dez Bryant in the same conference but he put up some amazing numbers himself.

Look at the stats from that year by those three:
Crabtree: 97 receptions, 1165 yards and 19 touchdowns
Bryant: 87 receptions, 1480 yards and 19 touchdowns
Briscoe: 92 receptions, 1407 yards and 15 touchdowns

I still think that the difference between Briscoe and Bryant isn't as large as some will portray it as, Briscoe is a poor man's Dez. Briscoe is a load to bring down, he is like TO or Brandon Marshall after the catch, he isn't as fast but he is as physical. He can leap and go get the ball out of the air with ease. He has good hands. Even though he ran a 4.6 at the combine he shows good game speed and was a good deep threat at Kansas. The only problems are his maturity and work ethic and his route running ability, other than that he is a good prospect.

He didn't live up to the hype this season, but no one on that Kansas squad did and Dez's draft stock is suffering because of it. Just watch this, Dezmon is a complete monster:
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Todd Bertuzzi
04-01-2010, 04:50 PM
I've heard a lot of love for Major Wright and Morgan Burnett on this board so I just want to clarify something: neither of them will ever amount to anything.

As far a Briscoe is concerned, I love him and think whoever grabs him in the mid rounds will get a steal. He and Namaan Roosevelt are the two receivers who I'd love the Eagles to take a shot on in the mid-late rounds.

Thumper
04-01-2010, 05:42 PM
The Eagles actually need some receivers, the depth is pretty terrible. After DeSean, Maclin and Avant it is basically a crapshoot of UDFA and special teams guys.

Kramer
04-01-2010, 05:46 PM
Absolutely, I remember seeing Revis on kick returns and thinking "Wow, Mahe sucks, this guy is good AND he can play corner." I remember seeing P-Willis going to the Eagles early on and I really wanted him to go to the Eagles. And I was practically praying during 2006 that Ngata fell to the Eagles who were picking #14 and then the Ravens traded up to #12 and I was ticked.

After the Packers game in the 07 season when we lost purely because of special teams, I said “We have to draft Desean Jackson, he would be perfect.” Swear to god.

cunningham06
04-01-2010, 06:30 PM
Briscoe or Jordan Shipley would be good pickups in the mid rounds.

eaglesalltheway
04-01-2010, 10:28 PM
I'd love Briscoe, or even Shipley or Roosevelt in the 5th round or so. Trading Brandon Gibson for one year of Witherspoon came back to bite the Eagles in the ass, he may be as much as a solid #2 in the league...

frubulubu
04-01-2010, 10:35 PM
I'd love Briscoe, or even Shipley or Roosevelt in the 5th round or so. Trading Brandon Gibson for one year of Witherspoon came back to bite the Eagles in the ass, he may be as much as a solid #2 in the league...

Brandon Gibson is something that still makes me upset, till this day. Add the fifth round pick and thats even more insulting, and the fact that Weatherspoon left, c'mon man. We drafted Celek, Cole, and Gaither in the fifth round, wish we had thst pick back.

frubulubu
04-01-2010, 10:38 PM
Briscoe or Jordan Shipley would be good pickups in the mid rounds.

Shipley is who I like here, as well. If only we had that fifth round pick back.

Go_Eagles77
04-02-2010, 07:40 AM
Brandon Gibson is something that still makes me upset, till this day. Add the fifth round pick and thats even more insulting, and the fact that Weatherspoon left, c'mon man. We drafted Celek, Cole, and Gaither in the fifth round, wish we had thst pick back.
I have to agree, I was disappointed with losing him even before they cut Witherspoon. He would make a pretty damn good 4th WR for us.

Thumper
04-02-2010, 06:22 PM
The Eagles have worked out Jonathan Dwyer and according to Fox Sports, the Eagles have real and legitimate interest in Dwyer. The Eagles have also worked out Dezmon Briscoe. If the Eagles get those two, they're so set on offense aside from maybe a RG. Dwyer and Briscoe are so physical, they are the guys I want in the draft, they're insane, Dwyer has such a nasty stiff arm and tacklers just bounce off of him and Brisco is so aggressive after the catch, he has a nasty stiff-arm himself and he can break some tackles.

Ideal scenario:
Trade a 5th for Rob Sims
Draft Dwyer in the second and Briscoe in the fourth with Cleveland's pick (by that time we should have the Raiders second as well and we already have the Seahawks third). Add them to the mix of DeSean, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, Jason Avant, Brent Celek, Mike Bell, Leonard Weaver and Cornelius Ingram and the offense couldn't be stopped, plus could you imagine all the confidence and nastiness that would be happening on the field? Oh man it would be amazing..

Sniper
04-02-2010, 06:25 PM
Our offense is going to need to average 45 points per game because our defense blows.

Thumper
04-02-2010, 06:51 PM
I'm going to toss out a quick mock

Trade McNabb for 40th pick (Raiders)
Trade 5th round pick for Rob Sims

1- Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
2 (Oak)- Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
2- Jerome Murphy CB USF
3 (Sea)- Sean Lee ILB Penn St.
3- J.D. Walton C Baylor
4 (Cle)- Dezmon Briscoe WR Kansas
4- George Johnson DE Rutgers
6- Zoltan Mesko P Michigan
7- Kendrick Lewis SS Ole Miss
7- Reggie Carter WLB/ILB UCLA

Morton
04-02-2010, 09:17 PM
Thumper: It's Kyle Wilson / Earl Thomas or bust in the first round. The Eagles are going to trade up or trade down instead of settling for a 2nd tier CB in the first.

Morton
04-02-2010, 09:21 PM
Our offense is going to need to average 45 points per game because our defense blows.

I don't think it will be that bad.

If we can assume they'll get a DB that can start right away next year, either FS or CB, they have Hobbs / rookie / Samuel as CBs, who are all relatively solid. Mikell is still good too.

If Bradley comes back, that will plug the MLB hole. They have some young players that can compete for hte other LB positions, and LB isn't even all that important in the Eagles system. I mean, it's semi-important, but in the Jim Johnson system the two most important areas are DL and the DBs.

Trent Cole is still possibly the best all-around 4-3 DE in the NFL. Bunkley and Patterson are still solid, and Laws and Dixon can surprise us. I have a feeling that Tapp will thrive as a LDE, or at the very least will surprise us. And if he doesn't, Parker is still pretty decent, and Abiamiri could surprise us too.

The Dick Jauron hiring will help smooth things out a lot, and so iwll the maturation of McDermott. Jauron will bring some experience and maturity to the coaching of the defense. He's a legit elite DC, he was just a bad head coach.

Sniper
04-02-2010, 09:22 PM
Let's trade up, snag Eric Berry, get another first-round pick and draft Brandon Graham. Profit.

frubulubu
04-02-2010, 09:52 PM
Do we draft a CB, now that Brown is a Brown?

Thumper
04-02-2010, 09:55 PM
Do we draft a CB, now that Brown is a Brown?

No offense frubu but... is that really a question? Do you think the Eagles would start Ellis Hobbs aka the worst corner in the NFL?

frubulubu
04-02-2010, 10:06 PM
No offense frubu but... is that really a question? Do you think the Eagles would start Ellis Hobbs aka the worst corner in the NFL?

None taken...Its obvious that Hobbs wont be the starter and I pray thats not the plan AR has. But if thet dont draft a CB, they could still trade for one.

Thumper
04-02-2010, 10:21 PM
None taken...Its obvious that Hobbs wont be the starter and I pray thats not the plan AR has. But if thet dont draft a CB, they could still trade for one.

True... But who can the Eagles get? Aso? The more i think about it, the more I realize Aso's contract is just something the Eagles can't swallow. Now I would welcome Aso since Brown is gone, Brown was the reason I didn't think Aso was needed but his contract is just monstrous.

superman8456
04-02-2010, 10:29 PM
I wouldnt honestly take a long, hard look at bringing in Pacman Jones.

Bring on the neg rep.

frubulubu
04-02-2010, 10:34 PM
I wouldnt honestly take a long, hard look at bringing in Pacman Jones.

Bring on the neg rep.

Lmao, thats funny. Im not going to neg rep you, I dont like neg repping our own. But seriously dude, Ill take Hobbs over Jones.

Thumper
04-02-2010, 10:36 PM
Lito Sheppard?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha why did I even ask that? Lito sucks.

frubulubu
04-02-2010, 10:37 PM
True... But who can the Eagles get? Aso? The more i think about it, the more I realize Aso's contract is just something the Eagles can't swallow. Now I would welcome Aso since Brown is gone, Brown was the reason I didn't think Aso was needed but his contract is just monstrous.

I hope they have something going and surprise us. Im going to miss Brown, he always played physical.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-02-2010, 11:55 PM
Maybe the Eagles are confident with Asante, Jackson and Hobbs and they are planning on drafting a safety.

frubulubu
04-03-2010, 12:09 AM
Lito Sheppard?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha why did I even ask that? Lito sucks.

Sheppard was the odd man out, and couldnt beat out Joselio Hanson. Im not sure if he couldnt or was being taught a lesson by AR, and simply sat him. I wouldnt mind Lito, but he would be a short term player. He might end up in Cleveland, lol.

frubulubu
04-03-2010, 12:14 AM
Maybe the Eagles are confident with Asante, Jackson and Hobbs and they are planning on drafting a safety.

Jackson, is considered to be going to Safety. But Macho played CB in college and could be put back at corner if needed. We never know what could happen at training camp, and adjustments could be made. Harris, beat out Demps last year, and stayed at S all year.

Sniper
04-03-2010, 08:44 AM
Sheppard was the odd man out, and couldnt beat out Joselio Hanson. Im not sure if he couldnt or was being taught a lesson by AR, and simply sat him.

That question was answered down the stretch that year. He just sucked.

cunningham06
04-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Lito Sheppard is quite an enigma. Some seasons he played great, and others he was absolute trash. We can't start Hobbs, that would be terrible.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 03:00 PM
Well, here is how I see the Eagles needs as of this moment, heading into the draft. Mine will most likely be a little different because of how I view the FA/trade acquisitions, but here it goes...

1. CB-With Sheldon gone, and no CB added through trade to replace him, this went from being my 3rd biggest need to the biggest need the Eagles have, and it isn't even close, if you ask me. Expect CB to be addressed early, round one or two. It is a position of need at a postion the Eagles value highly. The Eagles may draft two CBs, with another being added in the 5th round or so
2. FS-Maybe I'm a little gunshy about FA additions with knee injuries, but I am just not sold on Marlin Jackson at FS, and though I feel Harris is decent enough, we know a great FS really helps this defense a lot. If the team feels as I do, FS will be addressed round 1 or 2, otherwise, they may not draft one at all with the logjam at the position.
3. OL-Particularly the right side of the line (C or RG) Especially with Kolb assuming the QB role, we want to protect him and help establish a run game. Honestly, I could have this ahead of FS, that's how close this is, so if you think it should be higher, pretend I see this as 2a. I think this will be addressed relatively early, and could be addressed as early as the first round, but is more likely to be addressed in the second or third. (Depends on the drafting situation)
4. LB-If it wasn't for Bradley coming back, this would be my #1 need, but with Bradley back, and Akeem Jordan still an Eagle, it is less of a need. Notice I didn't specify which LB position, because with the flexibility of our LB corp, it gives the Eagles options for drafting amongst the LBs. I'd prefer to keep Bradley manning the middle, but if the team woud feel more comfortable sliding him to SLB, it does open up some possibilities. Expect at least two LBs to be drafted as a potential starter is needed, as well as a backup. Its hard to say where this will be addressed due to the Eagles track record, but this may be the year they use a pick on a LB in the first two rounds, or they may let it go until the mid rounds.
5. DE- Before bringing in Tapp, I saw this as our second biggest need, but I like Tapp and I think he brings a lot to the DE rotation. The Eagles don't necessarily NEED a starter here, but more of a pass rusher to contribute to the rotation. This is another position that may have two draft picks at, most likely from the third on after, IMO.
6. SS-Mikell is a good SS, but he isn't that young, and a backup is needed. If Mikell would be injured, our defense would be even more **** outta luck than they are now, and a competent replacement would help. Expect this to be addressed in the fourth round or later.
7a. T-More for depth behind our starters, our current backups could use upgrading at these positions. Expect a 5th round pick or later used on a Tackle prospect.
7b. QB-With McNabb gone, the Eagles don't have a true backup QB. I know we have Vick, but he's only locked up for this season and the Eagles will need some sort of insurance if Kolb doesn't pan out. I'd expect a QB to be drafted round 4 or later.
9. RB-With Shady, Bell, and Buckley, an upgrade isn't necessarily needed, but I could see the Eagles drafting a RB in certain situations. RB could be the pick as early as round 3, IMO, but is possible at any point after that.
10. TE-Celek is the starter, we are set at starter as long as he is healthy. Ingram is a potential beast, I am telling you that right now from what I saw before his knee re-injury in TC. If he is healthy, he is a dynamic weapon. But we need a more in-line type TE, or at least an insurance policy if Ingram can't come back. I could see a TE drafted 5th round or later.
11. DT-Our starters are set, and we have some quality depth behind them, but another body to add competition to the rotation wouldn't hurt. I could see the Eagles drafting as early as the 4th round on a DT, though that'd only be the case if they feel Laws is a bust (I don't think so). It'd be much more likley to see a late round pick or UDFA addition. It is also possible the team feels as though they are fine with Bunk, Patterson, Laws, and Dixon, which is a young talented group of DTs. If they do draft a DT, don't expect more than 1 DE to be drafted though.
12. P-We all say it, Sav could be upgraded and captain Zoltan should take over and destroy all special teams, but P is a need and could be addressed in the later rounds. Yes, even if it isn't Zoltan Mesko...
13. WR- We have our top 3 WRs set in stone, and with Baskett back, a solid fourth option there. A fifth WR may be needed, and even though I think WR is more likey to be drafted than a few of the psitions ahead of it, I don't see it as a bigger need per se. I definitely expect a WR to be drafted, but only in the later rounds.
14. K-I don't expect the Eagles to draft a kicker, but they will probably bring in more competition as a UDFA for Akers, who had a solid season last year.

I'm going to do a quick mock in a little based off of this, so if you have questions about my logic you can refer to this, if it isn't answered here or in the mock, ask and I'll be sure to oblige.

Go_Eagles77
04-05-2010, 03:30 PM
Nice write-up EATW. I actually wouldn't be surprised if the eagles grabbed two CBs in the first 3 rounds, like they did with Lito and Sheldon. I would love to get Kyle Wilson in the 1st and then a Jerome Murphy or Chris Cook in the 3rd.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Hahaha, I'm working on my mock right now, its a little different than most of them, but I think, so far, you guys would like it, and so far, it seems realistic. I do have trades in it, only two, but you'll see more of it when I do the mock...

superman8456
04-05-2010, 03:48 PM
A little quick mock after the nice trades we had.

1) Maurkice Pouncey, C/OG, Florida
2a) Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
2b) Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
3a) Major Wright, S, Florida
3b) Austen Lane, DE, Murray State
4a) Riley Cooper/Eric Decker, WR
4b) Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
5) Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
6) Colin Peek, TE, Alabama
7a) Ryan Stamper, OLB, Florida
7b) Sean Canfield/Jonathan Crompton, QB

Wow, that's a lot of Florida guys.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 04:03 PM
A little quick mock after the nice trades we had.

1) Maurkice Pouncey, C/OG, Florida
2a) Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
2b) Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
3a) Major Wright, S, Florida
3b) Austen Lane, DE, Murray State
4a) Riley Cooper/Eric Decker, WR
4b) Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
5) Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
6) Colin Peek, TE, Alabama
7a) Ryan Stamper, OLB, Florida
7b) Sean Canfield/Jonathan Crompton, QB

Wow, that's a lot of Florida guys.

Many Florida guys, lol. I like Pouncey there, depending on the situation. I'm personally not the biggest Kareen Jackson fan, but I'd be happy with him if we had to settle. I'm not sure I'd want Spikes, just me though. At that value, Wright is absolutely fine with me. I like the Lane pick, would certainly help out the rotation. I'd be really happy with either WR in that situation, though I personally doubt the Eagles use a draft pick that high on a WR. I love Hardesty, depending on the sitation I'd love that pick, I just don't know if he'll be available there.

I like Mesko, but I personally can't say that Rocca is bad enough to spend this high a pick on a punter when there are some other needs that need to be addressed. I like the Peek pick, but I question his availablility as well. I was looking for a TE in that range too, and I feel as though the Eagles may be better off going with a UDFA, as the blocking TEs will be gone around that area, and we could get away without drafting one.

I like the Stamper pick as a backup, I think there may be some LBs with greater value available at that time though. I like you addressed QB, I just think it may need to be addressed a little earlier. I have the Eagles taking a QB in the 5th round in my mock, which I'll post a little later on tonight.

Overally a solid mock, I like a few picks, and not as much with others. No one I hate, so I wouldn't be too upset if the Eagles draft turned out like that.

Go_Eagles77
04-05-2010, 05:49 PM
Here's my attempt, lol. I'll try to make it as realistic as possible.

*Trade* 1st round pick (#24 overall) and 6th round pick (#200 overall) to New England for their 1st round pick (#22 overall)

Round 1 (#22 overall) Kyle Wilson CB Boise State - If there's not great value on the O-Line, the packers may very well target a CB at #23. The eagles have a lot of interest in Wilson and just like Maclin a year ago, the eagles package a 6th round pick to move up 2 spots and grab their guy. Wilson is the total package, he's extrmely fluid and excellent in coverage but is also a playmaker when he gets the chance. Can challenge Ellis Hobbs for the right CB spot as a rookie which he should win, and will be the eventual successor to Asante Samuel at left CB.

Round 2 (#37 overall) Daryl Washington OLB TCU - The LB position, aside from Stewart Bradley, is extremely underwhelming. Akeem Jordan is a nice player, but he is not a game changer by any stretch of the imagination. Daryl Washington has all the physical tools you look for in a great 4-3 weakside linebacker, and should challenge for a starting position as a rookie.

Round 2 (55 overall) Jon Asamoah C/OG Illinois - Asamoah played guard at Illinois but he is versatile enough to play both center and guard at the next level, which happens to be 2 of the eagles biggest question marks right now. He's not quite on the same level as Maurkice Pouncey, but he is very athletic and has a mean streak which are some qualities the eagles love in offensive linemen. Definitely a long-term starter for the eagles at either C or RG.

Round 3 (#70 overall) Jerome Murphy CB/S South Florida - It is clear the eagles love the CB/S tweeners and Murphy fits that description. If Marlin Jackson is not 100% healthy, Murphy can provide competition at that spot with Macho and Demps. If Marlin Jackson can come back healthy, Murphy can go right into his long-term position at CB. It looks pretty likely that Asante Samuel is not in the long-term plans of the eagles, so Murphy can be groomed as the eventual starter at CB opposite Kyle Wilson.

Round 3 (#87 overall) Ricky Sapp DE Clemson - The eagles worked out Sapp and apparently showed a lot of interest in him. I like Daryl Tapp a lot at LDE opposite Cole but the eagles are in need of pass rushers and Sapp can be a nice piece to the rotation with his speed off the edge.

Round 4 (#105 overall) John Skelton QB Fordham - I don't see this being an overly popular pick especially considering he will only be a 3rd string QB as a rookie, but the eagles have shown a ton of interest in this guy throughout the off season and it makes a lot of sense. Mike Vick is a nice backup but he won't be around much longer so the eagles choose Skelton to groom as the long-term backup for Kolb.

Round 4 (#121 overall) Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida - The eagles are sitting pretty at the WR position but it can still be improved. Hank Baskett is a nice special teams player but I would like for the eagles to grab a guy who can complete one hell of a scary 4 WR set and Mitchell has been getting a lot of hype lately but I don't see him getting picked before this area.

Round 5 (#137 overall) Myron Rolle SS Florida State - The eagles don't have a true backup SS on the roster and that can hurt them if something happened to Quintin Mikell. You have to think the eagles are interested in Rolle with his character and I think he has a good enough skillset to find a nice niche on the team as a very reliable backup/special teamer for the eagles.

Comp - Round 7 (#243 overall) Joique Bell RB Wayne State - This guy got a lot of hype as a mid-round prospect around the senior bowl but that has died down and now I view him as more of a borderline draftable guy. I'm willing to give him a shot though and think he can challenge Eldra Buckley for the #3 RB spot.

Comp - Round 7 (#244 overall) Kevin Haslam OT Rutgers - Andy Reid can't help himself and grabs another OL prospect late in the draft. Haslam was over-shadowed by Anthony Davis his whole career but has held his own and could be a solid backup to Winston Justice at RT.

*Key FA Pickups*

Nathan Overbay TE Eastern Washington - Talented small-school prospect who can compete for the 3rd TE spot.

Adrian Tracy DE William & Mary - Very productive small-school pass rusher who could surprise in TC.

Max Hall QB BYU - Anual BYU UDFA pickup. Practice Squad candidate who might be groomed as the future #3 QB.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 06:21 PM
Well, here is my mock. I included two trades, one of which has the Eagles moving up in the first round (trading #24 and 87 to Pitt for #18), and the other has the Eagles moving down in the mid-later rounds and getting another pick (trading #137 to Bal for #144 and 202). I'm sure there will be more than two trades for the Eagles, but I have no idea exactly, so I went with two scenarios that I found most likely. For the trade up in the first, I'm not saying it is definitely going to happen, but with the trades, and the picks the Eagles now have, it is a lot more likely they trade up than before. Another of the more likely scenarios for trades is I could see the Eagles trading one of next year's thrid rounder for a fourth rounder in this year's draft, but I'm not going to screw with that. Anyway, here is my full mock, as it stands right now...

Round 1
#18 (via trade with Pitt): CB Kyle Wilson, Boise State.
Up until recently, I haven't known much about him, just that a lot of people like him. But I did some research, watched his youtube stuff, as well as looking up info on Boise State's page, and am really, really beginning to like him a lot. The more I find out, the more I like. He is a CB that fits our defense well, with the size that we look for (5'10 and 195ish). He is known for his playmaking ability, but also does a great job supporting the run. He is also a natural leader, according to Scott, and many other scouts, which is only an added bonus. There are worries about him being a bit overaggressive, and with time, he should "relax" and it shouldn't be as much of a problem. As I've come to learn more about him, I realize why just about everyone is high on him.

I believe Earl Thomas will go shortly ahead of pick 18, otherwise, he would get SERIOUS consideration here. Other guys potentiallyavailable at this pick the Eagles may be targetting are Mike Iupati and Sean Witherspoon. Iupati could be the pick as well since the Eagles value OL just as much as CB, but I think with the bigger needs being in the secondary, the Eagles go with CB. Weatherspoon is a possibility, but history shows LBs are valued low (as you all know) and I'm not going to be the one who says they break away from their track record, despite the man-crush I have on Weatherspoon.

Round 2
#37 (via Washington): Vladmir Ducasse, OL, UMass.
We all know how much the Eagles value O-linemenm, especially versatile ones. Ducasse is just that. He is big, nasty, and versatile. The Eagles have a track record of drafting smaller school O-linemen, and with how Ducasse can fit in 4 positions on our offense, he would be extremely valuable. I would see Ducasse coming in initially as our RG, and if Justice would fall off at RT, Ducasse could man that spot as well. Ducasse is a guy I have liked for a while, he would be a great fit. He has the temprament (sp?), strength, athletecism, and size that would fit in perfect for our O-line. What I really like is his ability to pull, and with how our offense uses our Guards to pull, he would be a great fit at RG for us. My only worry is that he may be gone by this pick.

Other players that got consideration were Taylor Mays (probably not available anyway), Everson Griffen, and Devin McCourtey. I personally think Mays would be a good fit for our defense, and offers versatility of position among the safety slots. Griffen would be a good fit at LE for us, but even with how the Eagles value DL, I don't think, with the addition of Tapp, that they see DE as this big of a need yet. McCourtey would be great value here, but I doubt he'd be available, and with picking Wilson, another CB isn't needed this early in the draft, unless Asante would be getting shipped out soon, which I doubt.

#55: Navorro Bowman, WLB, PSU.
I've watched him play for the last few years at PSU and have been impressed with him. He makes plays in all areas of the field. He does well in coverage, handles the inside run well, and what I like most of all, maintains outside leverage in perimeter run plays. He isn't the best blitzer, but he navigates through traffic well, and can shed blocks at times, though it is something he will need to improve on. Off field issues make him fall a bit, and if he can fix those in Philly, we have a very good WLB for a long time. I am not crazy enough to go out on a limb and say the Eagles will draft a LB in the first, but I'm just crazy enough to say they'll do it in the second...

Other players I considered were Morgan Burnett, Jerome Murphy, Perrish Cox, and Jonathan Dwyer. I feel Burnett will be avialble at the beginning of the third round, and Bowman offers more value at the pick, at arguably, a bigger position of need. Though I entertained the idea of drafting another CB in round three in Murphy or Cox, I feel the need at LB is more than that of another CB, even though CB is historically valued more. With Wilson added to the CBs, you have, once again a solid group of CBs, and I feel the Eagles could afford to wait a little longer on drafting a CB. There are rumors about Dwyer being scouted heavily by the Eagles, and I understand it, he and Shady would compliment eachother very nicely. I just don't think the Eagles, who have a history of waiting on RBs, will draft a RB in the second round two years in a row, especially with the other needs around them and the RB situation being pretty well off. It is very possible though because (I think) both Bell and Buckley have only one year left on their contracts.

Round 3
#70: Morgan Burnett, S, GT.
I like Burnett a lot and think whoever gets him in this range is going to get a very good player. He is another versatile player could play either Safety spot in our system and would immeiately upgrade FS, or, if the Eagles feel comfortable at FS (I personally don't), they can have him as a backup SS to Mikell. I personally would rather have him at FS because he can make plays in both aspects of the game, but has a knack for coverage and coverage angles, while still being physical enough in the run game.

Toby Gerhart, Perrish Cox, and Brandon Ghee were also considered here, but as I've said in other picks, I don't think RB is enough of a need yet, maybe at all, and with drafting Wilson, CB can afford to be pushed back a bit with what we have there. This is the last of the "pther players I've considered" because once you reach round 4, its a crapshoot to see who is available...

#87 traded to Pitt in trade to draft Wilson.

Round 4
#105:Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss.
Hardy has fallen since last year due to injury issues and questions about his drive and dedication. Falling to the fourth round may be enough to get his ass in gear and try to earn his living. He has everything you want in DE for us... size, athletecism, ability in both phases of his game, but he lacks that will to compete. Coming into the situation we have at DE would help him greatly, there are plenty of players to compete with, and because of the rotation, it will minimize the possibility of getting injured, as well as helping him with what some call endurance issues. If he is available, he would be a great pick, and a potential steal if he can get his work ethic straightened out.

#121:A.J. Jefferson, CB, Fresno State.
Another CB with the size the Eagles look for in their CBs, with a balanced game. He may not be a playmaker, but he is a playbreaker. He is good at getting in the way of the ball and is a willing run supporter. Though he may have limitted upside, he will at least be a solid contributor as a #4 or 5 CB and special teamer.

Round 5
#137 traded to Bal for #144 and 202...

#144:Zac Robinson, QB, OK State.
With McNabb gone, and Kolb stepping in with no QB on our roster signed past the end of this upcoming season, drafting a QB is a certainty, not only because of the contracts expiring, but also as a security measure if, for whatever reason, Kolb wouldn't work out. Robinson has benefitted from some weapons at his disposal, but has good accuracy and arm strength. He would be another project to an extent, but there are a lot of tools to work with and he would be a great pick here.

Round 6
#200: Darian Stewart, SS, S.C.
Stewart is a stocky Safety who is great in run support and has the ability to break up passes. He would serve as a good backup to Mikell as well as a special teamer. He hits hard and is a good tackler who is a great in the box type of Safety. Due to his lack of range I doubt he would ever be more than a backup and special teamer, however.

#202:Kerry Meier, WR, Kansas.
I know there are a lot of you guys saying, "wrong Kansas WR", lol, but I personally feel the Eagles, though they do need one WR, will be able to afford to wait until later in the draft with the solid 4 they have already, as well as Jordan Norwood, who I have always had a lot of faith in. But Meier is a tall guy with long arms who would add another red zone target for the Eagles, and would be an excellent #5 receiver.

Round 7
#243(comp):Cole Pemberton, OT, Col. State.
The typical small school O-line prospect the Eagles like to bring in for competition. He could very well go undrafted, but he has the size (6'7+ and ~315 lbs) the Eagles like. He isn't "nasty" but plays tough, and could back up RT, or at least provide competition for backup RT

#244(comp): Doug Worthington, DT, Ohio State.
Sniper, your probably upset I had to put an Ohio State player in here, so just imagine its another late round DT that fits well, lol. Worthington has more height than most of our DTs, but has longer arms and plays the run very well. He would be a solid contributor to the DT rotation, and with some teaching, could develope his pass rush abilities as well.

There is is, love it or hate it, there you go. I'm pretty happy with it. I tried to make it realistic based on value of prospect, value to the team, need, fit, and a few other factors, but if the Eagles draft turned out like this, I'd be pretty happy with it.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 06:29 PM
Here's my attempt, lol. I'll try to make it as realistic as possible.

*Trade* 1st round pick (#24 overall) and 6th round pick (#200 overall) to New England for their 1st round pick (#22 overall)

Round 1 (#22 overall) Kyle Wilson CB Boise State - If there's not great value on the O-Line, the packers may very well target a CB at #23. The eagles have a lot of interest in Wilson and just like Maclin a year ago, the eagles package a 6th round pick to move up 2 spots and grab their guy. Wilson is the total package, he's extrmely fluid and excellent in coverage but is also a playmaker when he gets the chance. Can challenge Ellis Hobbs for the right CB spot as a rookie which he should win, and will be the eventual successor to Asante Samuel at left CB.

Round 2 (#37 overall) Daryl Washington OLB TCU - The LB position, aside from Stewart Bradley, is extremely underwhelming. Akeem Jordan is a nice player, but he is not a game changer by any stretch of the imagination. Daryl Washington has all the physical tools you look for in a great 4-3 weakside linebacker, and should challenge for a starting position as a rookie.

Round 2 (55 overall) Jon Asamoah C/OG Illinois - Asamoah played guard at Illinois but he is versatile enough to play both center and guard at the next level, which happens to be 2 of the eagles biggest question marks right now. He's not quite on the same level as Maurkice Pouncey, but he is very athletic and has a mean streak which are some qualities the eagles love in offensive linemen. Definitely a long-term starter for the eagles at either C or RG.

Round 3 (#70 overall) Jerome Murphy CB/S South Florida - It is clear the eagles love the CB/S tweeners and Murphy fits that description. If Marlin Jackson is not 100% healthy, Murphy can provide competition at that spot with Macho and Demps. If Marlin Jackson can come back healthy, Murphy can go right into his long-term position at CB. It looks pretty likely that Asante Samuel is not in the long-term plans of the eagles, so Murphy can be groomed as the eventual starter at CB opposite Kyle Wilson.

Round 3 (#87 overall) Ricky Sapp DE Clemson - The eagles worked out Sapp and apparently showed a lot of interest in him. I like Daryl Tapp a lot at LDE opposite Cole but the eagles are in need of pass rushers and Sapp can be a nice piece to the rotation with his speed off the edge.

Round 4 (#105 overall) John Skelton QB Fordham - I don't see this being an overly popular pick especially considering he will only be a 3rd string QB as a rookie, but the eagles have shown a ton of interest in this guy throughout the off season and it makes a lot of sense. Mike Vick is a nice backup but he won't be around much longer so the eagles choose Skelton to groom as the long-term backup for Kolb.

Round 4 (#121 overall) Carlton Mitchell WR South Florida - The eagles are sitting pretty at the WR position but it can still be improved. Hank Baskett is a nice special teams player but I would like for the eagles to grab a guy who can complete one hell of a scary 4 WR set and Mitchell has been getting a lot of hype lately but I don't see him getting picked before this area.

Round 5 (#137 overall) Myron Rolle SS Florida State - The eagles don't have a true backup SS on the roster and that can hurt them if something happened to Quintin Mikell. You have to think the eagles are interested in Rolle with his character and I think he has a good enough skillset to find a nice niche on the team as a very reliable backup/special teamer for the eagles.

Comp - Round 7 (#243 overall) Joique Bell RB Wayne State - This guy got a lot of hype as a mid-round prospect around the senior bowl but that has died down and now I view him as more of a borderline draftable guy. I'm willing to give him a shot though and think he can challenge Eldra Buckley for the #3 RB spot.

Comp - Round 7 (#244 overall) Kevin Haslam OT Rutgers - Andy Reid can't help himself and grabs another OL prospect late in the draft. Haslam was over-shadowed by Anthony Davis his whole career but has held his own and could be a solid backup to Winston Justice at RT.

*Key FA Pickups*

Nathan Overbay TE Eastern Washington - Talented small-school prospect who can compete for the 3rd TE spot.

Adrian Tracy DE William & Mary - Very productive small-school pass rusher who could surprise in TC.

Max Hall QB BYU - Anual BYU UDFA pickup. Practice Squad candidate who might be groomed as the future #3 QB.

I like the Wilson pick, as you can see, lol, I just feel we are going to have to move up further than two spots to get him. Honestly, besides our difference in opinion on how WR and RB should be valued, our drafts are basically the same, lol. I like the FA pickups as well. I wanted to get a TE in the round 6 area, but I saw it fitting better if the Eagles go after a UDFA type guy.

Go_Eagles77
04-05-2010, 06:45 PM
I'm actually basing the Wilson pick off my latest full NFL Mock where I had Wilson going 23 to the packers, but I agree, I can definitely see them trading up further for him. I would love your draft as well, like you mentioned we pretty much covered the same positions, it's just a matter of preference about what players we want. I actually like Ducasse a lot as a value/need pick at 37, didn't even think of that.

superman8456
04-05-2010, 06:56 PM
JR: Getting back to the mental toughness concept. What you said there reminds me of down in Mobile (Senior Bowl week) where we stood with (the GM of his team) and watched Vlad Ducasse beg the coaches to move back inside after a couple of bad plays at tackle. Is that more of what you’re talking about?

Scout: You got it. I know we said right then there ain’t no way he’s ever gonna make it. He’s afraid of getting beat and looking bad. That’s the risk you run with the smaller college guys and the kids that everyone calls “projects” (yes, he made the air quotes!). There is a hell of a lot of pressure on those kids to try and hit home runs on every pitch and never look bad. Especially early on. Some of the kids can handle it, some can’t. He can’t, and that ain’t gonna change. Move him to guard, whatever...that’s (how they handle it) hard to see from those kids that come from small schools or kids like him that haven’t played very long.

That is from an NFL scout. I think that is a pretty interesting outlook on him as well. I don't exactly know how I feel about Ducasse quite yet. I mean he has all the physical tools, but I just don't know how well he will transition to the NFL game. During the Senior Bowl he was all over the place. Dominant one play and abused the next. The beauty of having an oline coach like Juan Castillo is that we can take projects like Ducasse and help them reach their potential.

cunningham06
04-05-2010, 06:56 PM
A little quick mock after the nice trades we had.

1) Maurkice Pouncey, C/OG, Florida
2a) Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
2b) Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
3a) Major Wright, S, Florida
3b) Austen Lane, DE, Murray State
4a) Riley Cooper/Eric Decker, WR
4b) Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
5) Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
6) Colin Peek, TE, Alabama
7a) Ryan Stamper, OLB, Florida
7b) Sean Canfield/Jonathan Crompton, QB

Wow, that's a lot of Florida guys.

I like the Pouncey and Kareem Jackson picks, but Spikes in the second round? He runs the same 40 time I do, he's simply too slow to play as a LB in a 4-3 and is a waste of a pick in the second round.

Sniper
04-05-2010, 06:59 PM
He runs the same 40 time I do

But, you know, he's good at football, which should supercede a ZOMGZ SLOW 40 time.

Creek
04-05-2010, 07:06 PM
Great write up back on page 15, EATW...

Alright, I'm almost certain the birds are trading up in the 1st, have no idea who we're targeting though. Guess it all depends on how high we can move up, but you would think Reid & Co. will be looking to add 1st round talent on the defensive side of the ball. Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson, Sean Weatherspoon are guys I like... I believe this draft is going to be crucial in determining the make up of our defense for the next 5-7 years.

brat316
04-05-2010, 07:24 PM
Maybe they are hoping for Berry to fall and move him to Cb? Idk Eagles are pretty hard to peg when it comes to the draft.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 07:31 PM
That is from an NFL scout. I think that is a pretty interesting outlook on him as well. I don't exactly know how I feel about Ducasse quite yet. I mean he has all the physical tools, but I just don't know how well he will transition to the NFL game. During the Senior Bowl he was all over the place. Dominant one play and abused the next. The beauty of having an oline coach like Juan Castillo is that we can take projects like Ducasse and help them reach their potential.

That is a little concerning, honestly. But we have to keep in mind these are young men (It feels weird saying this when I too am a "young man") who are under a lot of pressure during that week in Mobile. He may realize he'd lose a lot of money if he kept getting beat during those practices and games, and was just trying to look as good as possible for scouts. You can't blame him I guess, though it would definitely impressed scouts more if he would've manned up and did what he had to do at Tackle instead of taking the "easy" route.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 07:34 PM
But, you know, he's good at football, which should supercede a ZOMGZ SLOW 40 time.

Spikes is really a tough spot for me. I like everything about him as a player (ok, a little bit of a lie), but I have to think that his slow 40 time (as much as I hate to base things off 40 times, this should tell you something) really is important and will mean that he would really struggle in a defense like ours.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Great write up back on page 15, EATW...

Alright, I'm almost certain the birds are trading up in the 1st, have no idea who we're targeting though. Guess it all depends on how high we can move up, but you would think Reid & Co. will be looking to add 1st round talent on the defensive side of the ball. Earl Thomas, Kyle Wilson, Sean Weatherspoon are guys I like... I believe this draft is going to be crucial in determining the make up of our defense for the next 5-7 years.

Thanks a lot, its not often I get to witness a Creek post, let alone a Creek compliment, lol.

Though I feel the Eagles are likely to move up, I try not to say they will do certain things on draft day, because anything can happen, and it depends on the situation, but I think with how the Eagles have positioned themselves, they are more likely to move up than before. I agree this draft just may shape the course of this defense in the time frame you say, I just hope it turns out positive, lol.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 07:43 PM
Maybe they are hoping for Berry to fall and move him to Cb? Idk Eagles are pretty hard to peg when it comes to the draft.

He could do it, but honestly, WHY would they? The whole secondary needs help, and Berry at FS would help them more than Berry at CB. If the Eagles somehow get Berry, put him at FS for the next 10 years and slide Macho or Demps to CB and they will contribute as depth.

superman8456
04-05-2010, 08:09 PM
Spikes is really a tough spot for me. I like everything about him as a player (ok, a little bit of a lie), but I have to think that his slow 40 time (as much as I hate to base things off 40 times, this should tell you something) really is important and will mean that he would really struggle in a defense like ours.

Part of me can't help but make the comparison of Spikes to Trotter. I think he could have a very similar impact to our defense, and possibly be better in coverage than Trotter ever was. I also think that it is great value. I think he is the third best ILB in this draft. He provides some versatility as to what spots he could play in our defense.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 08:13 PM
Part of me can't help but make the comparison of Spikes to Trotter. I think he could have a very similar impact to our defense, and possibly be better in coverage than Trotter ever was. I also think that it is great value. I think he is the third best ILB in this draft. He provides some versatility as to what spots he could play in our defense.

I don't like to make those comparisons, because, Spikes has better instincts in the passing game than Trotter. Spikes may be slow as molasses in winter, but he was ALWAYS near the ball in college. I just don't know if he will still be able to compensate for his lack of speed in the NFL, since it is much faster thn anything you'll see in college.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-05-2010, 08:28 PM
Everybody complains about how our SLB can never cover the elite TEs of the division and I just can't see that being any different with Spikes. He could barely cover most o-linemen with that 40 time for god's sake.

superman8456
04-05-2010, 08:40 PM
Everybody complains about how our SLB can never cover the elite TEs of the division and I just can't see that being any different with Spikes. He could barely cover most o-linemen with that 40 time for god's sake.

I agree. So if need be StewartBradley could make the transition to SLB and let Spikes play MLB. I just want them to try out all the possibilities during the preseason. I have a feeling we're not going to play well against the run next season.

If we don't draft Spikes, it's no big deal. But I just really like the value.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-05-2010, 08:44 PM
Spikes value right now is late 3rd at best.

frubulubu
04-05-2010, 10:26 PM
Everybody complains about how our SLB can never cover the elite TEs of the division and I just can't see that being any different with Spikes. He could barely cover most o-linemen with that 40 time for god's sake.

So very true, I couldnt agree more.

eaglesalltheway
04-05-2010, 10:33 PM
Everybody complains about how our SLB can never cover the elite TEs of the division and I just can't see that being any different with Spikes. He could barely cover most o-linemen with that 40 time for god's sake.

The problem is, there aren't many LBs that can cover the TE in our division anyway. I think if the Eagles draft Spikes, Bradley would be moved to SLB.

brat316
04-05-2010, 10:38 PM
Part of me can't help but make the comparison of Spikes to Trotter. I think he could have a very similar impact to our defense, and possibly be better in coverage than Trotter ever was. I also think that it is great value. I think he is the third best ILB in this draft. He provides some versatility as to what spots he could play in our defense.


Yeah Trotter like 2 years ago. Not the young Trotter.

cunningham06
04-05-2010, 11:38 PM
^ Trotter came into the NFL running a 4.6, damn was he a physical specimen.
Do I hate Spikes? No absolutely not. As Sniper said he's just a good football player. I'm usually not one to judge a player by his 40 time, but an extreme either way tells you something. When Demeco Ryans ran a 4.65 I thought that was a pretty average time, but he had the best defensive instincts in that draft class which make up for it on the field. That being said there's a world of difference between a 4.6 and a 4.8 much less a 5.0.

Spikes has good instincts, but he would need an earpiece with the other team's offensive coordinator telling him the play for him to get there in time in the pros. I think he could be a good role player, and who knows, maybe even a starter in another team's defense, but not ours.

At this point I view Spikes as a third round value.

frubulubu
04-05-2010, 11:53 PM
^ Trotter came into the NFL running a 4.6, damn was he a physical specimen.
Do I hate Spikes? No absolutely not. As Sniper said he's just a good football player. I'm usually not one to judge a player by his 40 time, but an extreme either way tells you something. When Demeco Ryans ran a 4.65 I thought that was a pretty average time, but he had the best defensive instincts in that draft class which make up for it on the field. That being said there's a world of difference between a 4.6 and a 4.8 much less a 5.0.

Spikes has good instincts, but he would need an earpiece with the other team's offensive coordinator telling him the play for him to get there in time in the pros. I think he could be a good role player, and who knows, maybe even a starter in another team's defense, but not ours.

At this point I view Spikes as a third round value.

Preaching to the choir, Amen brother.

Thumper
04-06-2010, 12:08 AM
I can't wait for draft day! So many top picks and this draft is so important for the Eagles, this draft has potential to be the draft that eventually puts the Eagles over the top, they're loaded with picks and have the ability to maneuver and deal all around to get the best players. I really hope this draft goes well.

frubulubu
04-06-2010, 12:14 AM
Yeah, I love the draft, its my own special holiday. I already managed to take the day off work.

cunningham06
04-06-2010, 01:49 AM
Damn, I hate this prime time move for the first day. I liked the tradition of waking up early on Saturday to catch all the action. Now I'll probably end up staying in on Thursday night to watch the draft, gotta see the highlights and get the analysis.

eaglesalltheway
04-06-2010, 09:16 AM
Yeah, I love the draft, its my own special holiday. I already managed to take the day off work.

What about the other two? lol

contento
04-06-2010, 01:25 PM
So EAGLES fans...would you rather keep all the picks(is it 11 or 12?) and go for quantity or package them for 4-5 of the more elite prospects?


If you keep all 11-12 picks how many can realistically make the team, it's no like the cupboards bare in Philly...

eaglesalltheway
04-06-2010, 01:35 PM
So Skins fans...would you rather keep all the picks(is it 11 or 12?) and go for quantity or package them for 4-5 of the more elite prospects?


If you keep all 11-12 picks how many can realistically make the team, it's no like the cupboards bare in Philly...

???

Personally, I don't see the Eagles staying put with all 11 picks. They will move up and down depending on how they see the situations panning out. I expect they will once again trade one of this year's later picks for a pick in next year's draft, only a round higher. I think they are much more likely to move up in the first round, as well as the rest of the draft actually. They have the ammo to do it, but I can't see the Eagles making any less than 8 picks, there aren't many HUGE needs, but there are a lot of minor needs that HAVE to be addressed.

Sniper
04-06-2010, 05:14 PM
I'll say it now. We're not picking at 24.

frubulubu
04-06-2010, 05:45 PM
What about the other two? lol

Ill be able to see Thursday and Saturday. Friday I wont be able to. I got to start preparing my fav recipes for day one. Tacos and cervesas, lol.

Sniper
04-06-2010, 05:46 PM
^ Trotter came into the NFL running a 4.6

And left running a 6.4.

Morton
04-06-2010, 09:29 PM
With two picks each in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds, the question this year now is:

Should we trade up and sink some of those valuable picks into a single player that we feel will make an impact, or invest them all into a wider range of players and hope something sticks?

Quality or quantity?

frubulubu
04-06-2010, 09:39 PM
With two picks each in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds, the question this year now is:

Should we trade up and sink some of those valuable picks into a single player that we feel will make an impact, or invest them all into a wider range of players and hope something sticks?

Quality or quantity?

There will be a combination of everything. I do believe we will trade up in round 1. I also see us trading some of the picks to gather some for next year. We have seen us trade up and also down in the past. It depends who is on the board, at a legitimate range that the team will make a move. Wouldnt be shocked if they stood pat and draft at 24.

eaglesalltheway
04-06-2010, 11:00 PM
There will be a combination of everything. I do believe we will trade up in round 1. I also see us trading some of the picks to gather some for next year. We have seen us trade up and also down in the past. It depends who is on the board, at a legitimate range that the team will make a move. Wouldnt be shocked if they stood pat and draft at 24.

As I always say, it depends on the situation, if the Eagles targets are flying off the board, I see them trading up, if they have multiple valuable target available, they will attempt to trade down. This will be true for any of the picks round 1 through 6 (can't trade our comp 7s, lol)

Creek
04-06-2010, 11:16 PM
If Eric Berry gets past Cleveland at #7, I'd like to see us move up and grab him. Shouldn't be too hard to get Al Davis to swap picks with us, just throw in a 2nd and some hard candies and we should have a deal.

Other than that, I don't know who else we'd move up for... Unless one of the O-lineman start falling (Iupati/Pouncey).

Wouldn't be surprised to see them move down and acquire more picks for next year either.

eaglesalltheway
04-06-2010, 11:20 PM
If Eric Berry gets past Cleveland at #7, I'd like to see us move up and grab him. Shouldn't be too hard to get Al Davis to swap picks with us, just throw in a 2nd and some hard candies and we should have a deal.

Other than that, I don't know who else we'd move up for... Unless one of the O-lineman start falling (Iupati/Pouncey).

Wouldn't be surprised to see them move down and acquire more picks for next year either.

As much as I'd love to have Berry, I know it would take a monster trade for it to take place, and we'd have to trade with one of the teams in the 5-7 range, if you ask me, to land Berry. I could see the Eagles moving up for Haden (if he fell), Thomas, Wilson, Iupati, or Pouncey, though they would be moving up as little as 2 picks for Iupati or Pouncey, or up to the 16-18 range for Thomas or Wilson. If they move down, i think the Eagles will try to acquire picks in this draft. They know a draft with this type of talent throughout is rare, and will try to exploit that.

Lord_Anubis
04-06-2010, 11:31 PM
I hope somehow the Browns dont take Berry, then that we give us chance to trade up for him.
Since the next team i see that would take him is 11 at Broncos, pending trade by another team

frubulubu
04-06-2010, 11:37 PM
I hope somehow the Browns dont take Berry, then that we give us chance to trade up for him.
Since the next team i see that would take him is 11 at Broncos, pending trade by another team

As much as I also like Berry, and would love to see him in Philly I doubt we will have a chance at grabbing him.

eaglesalltheway
04-06-2010, 11:41 PM
I hope somehow the Browns dont take Berry, then that we give us chance to trade up for him.
Since the next team i see that would take him is 11 at Broncos, pending trade by another team

I can think of at least 6 teams that would also be willing to trade up, with the ammo to do it.

Basically, we need to quit daydreaming about Berry, if only so we get to be that much more excited if for some unknown reason the Eagles would be able to get him.

Creek
04-07-2010, 12:34 AM
Last time I hoped a safety would fall to us in the draft was Brandon Meriweather, I was legitimately pissed when the Pats took him 2 before us... Then we traded back with DALLAS. Not a fun draft day. At least the Kevin Kolb thing is working out.

Lord_Anubis
04-07-2010, 01:12 AM
I wanted Kenny Phillips the 2nd time we traded back, but then again we might not have gotten Jason Peters/Desean and some others that I feel too lazy to trace back on the numerous of trades resulting from the trade back

holt_bruce81
04-07-2010, 01:13 AM
http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2010/04/eagles-visit-mizzous-alexander/

Eagles visit Mizzou’s Alexander

Although he won’t be able to work out for teams before the draft because of a knee injury suffered at the Senior Bowl, University of Missouri wide receiver Danario Alexander is still drawing interest from NFL teams.

In fact, league sources told the Post-Dispatch that the Philadelphia Eagles recently paid a visit to Alexander in Columbia, Mo.

Alexander needed surgery following the Senior Bowl injury but is progressing well. He shed his crutches on March 17 and was walking on his own power the next day at Mizzou’s second pro day. Alexander, 6-4 1/2, 215 pounds, led the nation in receiving yards (1,781) last season for the Tigers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTDP19DFQjk&feature=related

K-State Coach Bill Snyder:
I thought (KU receiver) Dezmon Briscoe was the best receiver in the Big 12 until I saw Alexander play

frubulubu
04-07-2010, 08:06 AM
http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/around-the-horns/around-the-horns/2010/04/eagles-visit-mizzous-alexander/

Eagles visit Mizzou’s Alexander



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTDP19DFQjk&feature=related

K-State Coach Bill Snyder:

Sounds like Jake Ikegowonou, once again without the xbox.

superman8456
04-07-2010, 09:55 AM
****. Alexanders knees are not going to let him last in the league or he would be a good player. Unlike Basket, Alexander actually knows how to use his frame to his advantage.

igglefanz
04-07-2010, 10:38 AM
Here is how i would like the first 3 rounds to fall for Philly. No trades just going off some rough mocks I know Pouncy and a few others may need trade up in said round to get.

1st ((24th)) Maurkice Pouncy C Flordia
2nd ((37th)) Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
2ndb ((55th)) Navorro Bowman LB Penn St
3rd ((70th)) Major Wright S Florida
3rdb ((87th)) Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss

frubulubu
04-07-2010, 10:15 PM
Here is how i would like the first 3 rounds to fall for Philly. No trades just going off some rough mocks I know Pouncy and a few others may need trade up in said round to get.

1st ((24th)) Maurkice Pouncy C Flordia
2nd ((37th)) Kareem Jackson CB Alabama
2ndb ((55th)) Navorro Bowman LB Penn St
3rd ((70th)) Major Wright S Florida
3rdb ((87th)) Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss

I would be happy with that.

cunningham06
04-08-2010, 02:22 AM
I like the idea of taking Greg Hardy in the mid round range. He offers a lot of upside if we can just motivate him.

eaglesalltheway
04-08-2010, 06:14 AM
I like the idea of taking Greg Hardy in the mid round range. He offers a lot of upside if we can just motivate him.

Plus bringing him into our defense covers up some of his definciencies, because he isn't going to be asked to contribute a great deal. He has great size and has all the physical tools you want.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-08-2010, 04:42 PM
We already have one young end who can't stay healthy. Why would we want another one?

eaglesalltheway
04-08-2010, 04:59 PM
We already have one young end who can't stay healthy. Why would we want another one?

Abiamiri was asked to be a starter. With who we have at LE right now, Hardy wouldn't be relied on nearly as much, and would be more of a situational pass rusher. Not every player on the team can be perfect health-wise, lol. Having a guy like Hardy as your situational pass rusher would be a nice luxury.

igglefanz
04-08-2010, 05:06 PM
Hardy is a risk but really minus injury and a few questions about motivation he is a first round talent. I see someone that can be on the level of a Derrick Morgan if he pans out. Solid against the run and could give us 8-11 sacks a season opposite of Cole. He has all the measurables and talent. Its a risk pick but can turn out to be a dud or one of the best the Eagles make. We have depth there with Tapp and others so to me its worth it.

Todd Bertuzzi
04-08-2010, 05:08 PM
Hardy is VERY inconsistent.

eaglesalltheway
04-08-2010, 05:10 PM
Hardy is a risk but really minus injury and a few questions about motivation he is a first round talent. I see someone that can be on the level of a Derrick Morgan if he pans out. Solid against the run and could give us 8-11 sacks a season opposite of Cole. He has all the measurables and talent. Its a risk pick but can turn out to be a dud or one of the best the Eagles make. We have depth there with Tapp and others so to me its worth it.

Especially if its for our last third or one of our fourth rounders...

Morton
04-08-2010, 10:35 PM
My dream scenario right now is thus:

#24: Kyle Wilson or Earl Thomas (trade up to 15-19 range if necessary)

#37: Jerry Hughes

#55: Sean Lee or Daryl Washington

This way, they can walk away with a potentially elite DB, a potentially elite pass-rusher, and a potentially elite linebacker all in the same draft.

Of course, they could just as easily go Nate Allen or Devin McCourty with the #37 pick, even with the selection of Thomas/Wilson in the first round, because DB is such a need area, but I think if Jerry Hughes falls to that spot it would be too great a value to pass up.

Andy could also just as easily throw us a curveball and pick an OL like Mike Iupati with the #24 pick, and if that does happen, I'll be disappointed. If Iupati or Pouncey is the pick, he better be the most dominant, tough, mean SOB we've ever seen on an OL anywhere, because neglecting the defense in such a deep defensive draft would be criminal.

frubulubu
04-08-2010, 10:38 PM
My dream scenario right now is thus:

#24: Kyle Wilson or Earl Thomas (trade up to 15-19 range if necessary)

#37: Jerry Hughes

#55: Sean Lee or Daryl Washington

This way, they can walk away with a potentially elite DB, a potentially elite pass-rusher, and a potentially elite linebacker all in the same draft.

Of course, they could just as easily go Nate Allen or Devin McCourty with the #37 pick, even with the selection of Thomas/Wilson in the first round, because DB is such a need area, but I think if Jerry Hughes falls to that spot it would be too great a value to pass up.

Andy could also just as easily throw us a curveball and pick an OL like Mike Iupati with the #24 pick, and if that does happen, I'll be disappointed. If Iupati or Pouncey is the pick, he better be the most dominant, tough, mean SOB we've ever seen on an OL anywhere, because neglecting the defense in such a deep defensive draft would be criminal.

Not that he does the moon walk, or grabs his crouch, but Andy Reid is a smooth criminal.

eaglesalltheway
04-08-2010, 10:48 PM
My dream scenario right now is thus:

#24: Kyle Wilson or Earl Thomas (trade up to 15-19 range if necessary)

#37: Jerry Hughes

#55: Sean Lee or Daryl Washington

This way, they can walk away with a potentially elite DB, a potentially elite pass-rusher, and a potentially elite linebacker all in the same draft.

Of course, they could just as easily go Nate Allen or Devin McCourty with the #37 pick, even with the selection of Thomas/Wilson in the first round, because DB is such a need area, but I think if Jerry Hughes falls to that spot it would be too great a value to pass up.

Andy could also just as easily throw us a curveball and pick an OL like Mike Iupati with the #24 pick, and if that does happen, I'll be disappointed. If Iupati or Pouncey is the pick, he better be the most dominant, tough, mean SOB we've ever seen on an OL anywhere, because neglecting the defense in such a deep defensive draft would be criminal.

I think the consensus of the ideal and (realistically) potential picks is either Thomas or Wilson, that is pretty much covered, but after that, the draft for the Eagles can go a bunch of different ways. I too think the secondary is the biggest area that could use improvement, but I think you are underestimating the need along the OL as well. If Thomas and Wilson are gone, I'd be ecstatic with either Pouncey or Iupati. It all depends on the situation. OL is a big enough need that I think it needs to (and will) be addressed in the first 70 picks of this draft for the Eagles, and with how the team values OL, and the talent along the OL, it is very possible a first or early second rounder is used on an O-linemen. This draft isn't just deep in defensive talent, its deep in just about every single position.

Morton
04-08-2010, 10:59 PM
The thing is - an OL, especially an interior OL, even if he's great, will only do so much to help you win games.

Say they draft a C or OG with a high pick and he turns into a stud. What does that do for you, maybe help your running game gain some more yards? You're still fundamentally throttled by the ability of your quarterback and your running backs, and the other offensive linemen.

If they shoot for a DB like a safety or a cornerback who has the ability to make solo plays (interceptions) or be a shutdown player, that will generate far more wins for the team than even an elite OL could. A playmaker in the Ed Reed type (Thomas can become this) would give so much more value if you count the potential interceptions.

Even a DE who can generate sacks will provide more value than an elite interior OL. A 10+ sack / season DE is far more valuable than an elite OG. Every sack and every forced fumble can change the nature of the game. A great run blocker or great pass protector can only do so much to affect the game because, again, the performance of the offense is limited by the efficacy of the QB and the RBs and other skill players. Look at the Saints and their shoddy OL. Drew Brees and his skill players make it work, the line is merely average. Look at the Cleveland Browns - they have an elite line with the best LT in the game (Joe Thomas), but they still suck and can't score, because it's the skill players that matter.

Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they make a play for a guy like Pouncey or Iupati in the upper rounds, but I think it would be a mistake to spend any first or second round pick on an offensive linemen in this year's draft with a.) so many needs on defense and b.) the wealth of defensive talent in this year's draft.

Thumper
04-08-2010, 11:26 PM
Jerry Hughes is LONG gone by that point, Earl Thomas is potentially going top 10 right now and Darryl Washington will have to be taken at #37 if he is going to be an Eagle.

igglefanz
04-08-2010, 11:46 PM
The thing is - an OL, especially an interior OL, even if he's great, will only do so much to help you win games.

Say they draft a C or OG with a high pick and he turns into a stud. What does that do for you, maybe help your running game gain some more yards? You're still fundamentally throttled by the ability of your quarterback and your running backs, and the other offensive linemen.

If they shoot for a DB like a safety or a cornerback who has the ability to make solo plays (interceptions) or be a shutdown player, that will generate far more wins for the team than even an elite OL could. A playmaker in the Ed Reed type (Thomas can become this) would give so much more value if you count the potential interceptions.

Even a DE who can generate sacks will provide more value than an elite interior OL. A 10+ sack / season DE is far more valuable than an elite OG. Every sack and every forced fumble can change the nature of the game. A great run blocker or great pass protector can only do so much to affect the game because, again, the performance of the offense is limited by the efficacy of the QB and the RBs and other skill players. Look at the Saints and their shoddy OL. Drew Brees and his skill players make it work, the line is merely average. Look at the Cleveland Browns - they have an elite line with the best LT in the game (Joe Thomas), but they still suck and can't score, because it's the skill players that matter.

Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they make a play for a guy like Pouncey or Iupati in the upper rounds, but I think it would be a mistake to spend any first or second round pick on an offensive linemen in this year's draft with a.) so many needs on defense and b.) the wealth of defensive talent in this year's draft.

Ummm a top tier line is a must with what the Eagles are doing, they are installing a QB with minimal experience and with how important interior line play is a smart dominant center is a huge upgrade. The center is who tells the rest of the line who to block, and of all the line spots its the most crucial that you have a person that can get out of his stance fast

We are downgrading as of mobility at the QB spot. Kolb can kinda run i wont call him even Mark Sanchez mobile but he can sidestep but you need a strong pocket so that he can step up and make passes. And with his arm strength being able to step into a throw makes alot of difference. Ratliff had a field day on Cole when he started at center, Jackson will not be ready for the start of the season.

Really you can argue that after a good LT a center is the most important spot on the offensive line. Pouncey is a gem and really the talent drops way off after him. There is great talent at CB and safety deep in this draft. Wilson is not a must have corner for the Eagles. He cannot press and struggles with larger receivers trust me I watched all of BSU games he is Asante part 2 that can kinda tackle. Kareem Jackson or Murphy would be better for the Eagles then him we are a blitzing team and we need more physical corners. and both can be had early second where the Eagles do have a pick.

And before you go ragging on the Saints line they send a guard a center and tackle to the pro bowl but they didn't play due to them being in the superbowl. (( Jahri Evans, Jonathan Goodwin, and Jonathan Stinchcomb. ))

Creek
04-08-2010, 11:46 PM
Alright, as of today, I'm thinking our 1st round pick will be used on a falling DE (tons of 1st round talent, some bound to slide), and our 2 2nd's will be DBs-- ala taking Sheldon and Michael Lewis in the 2nd way back in '02, AND THEN an interior lineman will be taken. Of course if Pouncey or Iupati are sitting there for us in the 1st it should make for a fun 10 minutes.

Go_Eagles77
04-09-2010, 07:55 AM
I can definitely see that. I'm not crazy about the DE depth in rounds 2-3 but there are some quality DBs/OL/LBs in those rounds.

eaglesalltheway
04-09-2010, 01:28 PM
Ummm a top tier line is a must with what the Eagles are doing, they are installing a QB with minimal experience and with how important interior line play is a smart dominant center is a huge upgrade. The center is who tells the rest of the line who to block, and of all the line spots its the most crucial that you have a person that can get out of his stance fast

We are downgrading as of mobility at the QB spot. Kolb can kinda run i wont call him even Mark Sanchez mobile but he can sidestep but you need a strong pocket so that he can step up and make passes. And with his arm strength being able to step into a throw makes alot of difference. Ratliff had a field day on Cole when he started at center, Jackson will not be ready for the start of the season.

Really you can argue that after a good LT a center is the most important spot on the offensive line. Pouncey is a gem and really the talent drops way off after him. There is great talent at CB and safety deep in this draft. Wilson is not a must have corner for the Eagles. He cannot press and struggles with larger receivers trust me I watched all of BSU games he is Asante part 2 that can kinda tackle. Kareem Jackson or Murphy would be better for the Eagles then him we are a blitzing team and we need more physical corners. and both can be had early second where the Eagles do have a pick.

And before you go ragging on the Saints line they send a guard a center and tackle to the pro bowl but they didn't play due to them being in the superbowl. (( Jahri Evans, Jonathan Goodwin, and Jonathan Stinchcomb. ))

I have to agree about OL value. Your skill position players are only as good as your O-line. Your QB can have a cannon with laser accuracy, but if he is getting rushed or put on his back, it doesn't matter. Your RB can be a beast and, unless he's Barry Sanders, he isn't going anywhere if he gets the ball and immediately a defender is in his face. Brees is an exception, but their OL does have some talent on it, and Payton schemes well with quick passes/ dumpoffs, as well as getting Brees out of the pocket on rollouts. In our offense, every linemen is valuable. Our Center is in control of the line, and our Guards need to be relied on for pulling as well as blocking in space more than most blocking schemes, and our Tackles are in charge of the elite pass rushers in our division, as well as the run blocking duties. An elite interior O-linemen will help immensely in both our passing game and running game.

As I see it, OL has great value mid-late first, and late second to fourth round. FS has great value throughout the first 3 or 4 rounds, CB has great value mid first, as well as the mid second-early fourth round, DE has value mid first and mid second-5th round in this draft. With the Eagles needs and the depth at these needs, it opens up a lot of possibilities for the Eagles to work with on draft day.

Thumper
04-11-2010, 12:14 AM
If the Eagles get Earl Thomas, I will cry tears of joy.

Okay maybe not but you get the idea. The Eagles have the best defensive backs coach in the NFL now that Dick Jauron is back there. And when you put Earl Thomas on a team coached by Dick Jauron and Sean McDermott... Here let me put it this way, Jauron worked with Jaius Byrd last season and Earl Thomas coming out is better than Jaius Byrd. So can we just skip all the debates about how good Thomas would be on the Eagles and ask ourselves, how would Earl Thomas look atop the most interceptions in a season list? :D

Of course I'm kidding but Earl Thomas would be an inspired pick. I hope he falls, I'm going to start praying. Or maybe a trade up? O_o

If the Eagles trade up, I hope its for Joe Haden who might be falling on draft day.

Go_Eagles77
04-11-2010, 09:53 AM
Latest Mock

- Trade Michael Vick for a 5th round pick and 2011 conditional (ranges from 6th-3rd)
- Sign Jeff Garcia

Round 1 - Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
Round 2a - Everson Griffen DE USC
Round 2b - Dexter McCluster RB/WR Ole Miss
Round 3a - Jon Asamoah C/G Illinois
Round 3b - Rennie Curran OLB Georgia
Round 4a - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB IUP
Round 4b - Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech
Round 5a - Armanti Edwards WR/Wildcat QB Appalachian State
Round 5b - Zoltan Mesko P Michigan
Round 6 - Antonio Coleman DE Auburn
Round 7a - Nathan Overbay TE Eastern Washington
Round 7b - Kevin Haslam OT Rutgers

Yes, I know there is a 0.002% chance the eagles make 12 picks, but I did it anyway. lol

eaglesalltheway
04-11-2010, 11:45 AM
If the Eagles get Earl Thomas, I will cry tears of joy.

Okay maybe not but you get the idea. The Eagles have the best defensive backs coach in the NFL now that Dick Jauron is back there. And when you put Earl Thomas on a team coached by Dick Jauron and Sean McDermott... Here let me put it this way, Jauron worked with Jaius Byrd last season and Earl Thomas coming out is better than Jaius Byrd. So can we just skip all the debates about how good Thomas would be on the Eagles and ask ourselves, how would Earl Thomas look atop the most interceptions in a season list? :D

Of course I'm kidding but Earl Thomas would be an inspired pick. I hope he falls, I'm going to start praying. Or maybe a trade up? O_o

If the Eagles trade up, I hope its for Joe Haden who might be falling on draft day.

If the Eagles do trade up, I could see it being for either Haden, Wilson, or Thomas, and either one I'd be ecstatic with. (Sorry, I just can't see getting Berry :()

But either would be incredible in our defense with Jauron as the DC.

eaglesalltheway
04-11-2010, 12:05 PM
Latest Mock

- Trade Michael Vick for a 5th round pick and 2011 conditional (ranges from 6th-3rd)
- Sign Jeff Garcia

Round 1 - Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
Round 2a - Everson Griffen DE USC
Round 2b - Dexter McCluster RB/WR Ole Miss
Round 3a - Jon Asamoah C/G Illinois
Round 3b - Rennie Curran OLB Georgia
Round 4a - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB IUP
Round 4b - Kam Chancellor SS Virginia Tech
Round 5a - Armanti Edwards WR/Wildcat QB Appalachian State
Round 5b - Zoltan Mesko P Michigan
Round 6 - Antonio Coleman DE Auburn
Round 7a - Nathan Overbay TE Eastern Washington
Round 7b - Kevin Haslam OT Rutgers

Yes, I know there is a 0.002% chance the eagles make 12 picks, but I did it anyway. lol

I like McCourtey at that pick, depending on who else is available, he is a very good fit in our CB role. Griffen in the second woudl be a good value pick, and as with the first pick, depending on the situation, I'd like that pick. I'm not a fan of the McCluster pick, I don't see RB or WR as that big of a need. There are many other positions that need to be addressed before the offensive skill positions.

Asamoah would be a great pick, I'm not sure if he'd be available in the third though, I think he will go sometime in the mid-late second, and if you had him at the McCluster pick, I'd like that a lot more honestly. He is a great fit in our Offense. I'd love the Rennie Curran pick, and if the Eagles wait until after the second for an LB, he is one of the guys I'd want the Eagles to target. Owusu-Ansa is flying up draft boards right now, and I see him going in the mid second-early third right now, but if he was available in the fourth round I'd love that pick. I think right around this area is where the Eagles will start targetting CBs again though.

Chancellor is a good pick for a backup to Mikell, I don't see him developing into a huge playmaker, due to his lack of great range, but he is physical and will be a very good backup/special teams guy. With the McCluster pick, I don't see the Eagles going after a WR, or a wildcat type guy. They currently have three guys that can run it already, and even if Vick is traded, the Wildcat can still be run effectively by DeSean or Shady. If we are looking at a QB here, even with the possible addition of Garcia, I'd look more at prototypical passers in this area.

I like Mesko a lot, would be a great pick there if he's still available. Coleman is a good pick there, another DE to add to the rotation. I like adding another TE, its something I feel could be addressed late as well. And another late round OL is in there as well, I could see Haslam being a guy who gets IRed and sticks around for a bit as a backup.

This would be a good draft for the Eagles, though I wish FS would be addressed early (or at all), though I can see it as possible if the team has confidence in the current group of FSs.

Go_Eagles77
04-12-2010, 12:51 PM
What would you guys think if the eagles traded pick 24(Rd.1), 37(Rd.2), 70(Rd.3) and 105(Rd.4) to KC for pick #5 to get Eric Berry? I know it's unlikely but they would still have at least 1 pick in every round so they can still have a pretty full draft. I think he might be worth it.

Edit: And they can possibly have a draft like this:
- Eagles trade 1st round pick (24), 2nd round pick (37), 3rd round pick (70) and 4th round pick (105) to Kansas City for their 1st round pick (5)
- Sign QB Jeff Garcia

Round 1 - Eric Berry S Tennessee - Yes I believe Berry is worth it. He's the biggest difference maker at the safety position since Ed Reed and will instantly step into the starting role and will be a pro-bowl caliber player for 10 years.
Round 2 - Chris Cook CB Virginia - Berry could play CB if it's absolutely needed but his abilities are best utilized at safety. Chris Cook can possibly step in right away at RCB or at the very least provide excellent depth for now.
Round 3 - Rennie Curran OLB Georgia - Undersized for a LB but has all the intangibles you look for and will be an instant leader and play maker on the football field.
Round 4 - Lindsey Witten DE Connecticut - Very good pass rusher that can make a living as a rotational DE. Can fill Chris Clemons' old role and has the ability to be more successful in it.
Round 5 - Zane Beadles C/G Utah - Played LT at Utah but will have to make the move inside at the next level and at the very worst can provide excellent depth at multiple positions while also challenging for a starting role.
Round 6 - Mike Williams WR Syracuse - Very talented player who due to character concerns will go much lower in the draft than his ability suggests. If he can get his life on track this low risk pick will pay dividends.
Round 7 - Nathan Overbay TE Eastern Washington - Small school TE who can compete with Martin Rucker for the 3rd TE spot.
Round 7 - Michael Smith RB Arkansas - Undersized RB but has good speed and actually reminds me of a poor man's Felix Jones. Will challenge Eldra Buckley for #3 RB spot.

frubulubu
04-12-2010, 02:12 PM
@ go eagles, I wouldnt mind hat at all, we could still grab a corner in the second. Our OL will need help, but can find the help with mid rounds.

Creek
04-12-2010, 03:38 PM
If the Eagles get Eric Berry, it would be the greatest thing to ever happen ever. EVER.

Sniper
04-12-2010, 03:56 PM
If the Eagles get Brandon Graham, it would be the greatest thing to ever happen ever. EVER.

Edited for accuracy.

eaglesalltheway
04-12-2010, 05:38 PM
If the Eagles get Eric Berry and Brandon Graham, it would be the greatest thing to ever happen ever. EVER.

Editted for super accuracy...

eaglesalltheway
04-12-2010, 05:42 PM
What would you guys think if the eagles traded pick 24(Rd.1), 37(Rd.2), 70(Rd.3) and 105(Rd.4) to KC for pick #5 to get Eric Berry? I know it's unlikely but they would still have at least 1 pick in every round so they can still have a pretty full draft. I think he might be worth it.

Edit: And they can possibly have a draft like this:
- Eagles trade 1st round pick (24), 2nd round pick (37), 3rd round pick (70) and 4th round pick (105) to Kansas City for their 1st round pick (5)
- Sign QB Jeff Garcia

Round 1 - Eric Berry S Tennessee - Yes I believe Berry is worth it. He's the biggest difference maker at the safety position since Ed Reed and will instantly step into the starting role and will be a pro-bowl caliber player for 10 years.
Round 2 - Chris Cook CB Virginia - Berry could play CB if it's absolutely needed but his abilities are best utilized at safety. Chris Cook can possibly step in right away at RCB or at the very least provide excellent depth for now.
Round 3 - Rennie Curran OLB Georgia - Undersized for a LB but has all the intangibles you look for and will be an instant leader and play maker on the football field.
Round 4 - Lindsey Witten DE Connecticut - Very good pass rusher that can make a living as a rotational DE. Can fill Chris Clemons' old role and has the ability to be more successful in it.
Round 5 - Zane Beadles C/G Utah - Played LT at Utah but will have to make the move inside at the next level and at the very worst can provide excellent depth at multiple positions while also challenging for a starting role.
Round 6 - Mike Williams WR Syracuse - Very talented player who due to character concerns will go much lower in the draft than his ability suggests. If he can get his life on track this low risk pick will pay dividends.
Round 7 - Nathan Overbay TE Eastern Washington - Small school TE who can compete with Martin Rucker for the 3rd TE spot.
Round 7 - Michael Smith RB Arkansas - Undersized RB but has good speed and actually reminds me of a poor man's Felix Jones. Will challenge Eldra Buckley for #3 RB spot.

I certainly wouldn't mind at all, lol, but honestly, I think it'd be best to trade 55 instead of 37, and the Chiefs would just as likely go for it. Either that, or get rid of the fourth rounder given to the Chiefs, making it just a first second and third. I'd prefer OL addressed a little earlier, but I could certainly live with this draft, anything that gets us Berry AND a good CB is spectacular if you ask me. Curran is a great pick, as I've said, he's one of the LBs with a later grade I'd want the Eagles to target.

Go_Eagles77
04-12-2010, 06:47 PM
Actually, I based the trade off the draft value chart and I originally had pick 55 and all our original picks, but it didn't add up close enough. Hell even the way I ended up doing it the value chart says the eagles get the better end of the deal by ~100 points but I can't see the chiefs not taking that offer. I know teams don't really use the value chart but I wanted to make it as realistic as possible.
And yeah, I wasn't real thrilled with the way the interior OL situation turned out and that would definitely be the biggest question mark after a draft like this.

eaglesalltheway
04-12-2010, 06:49 PM
Actually, I based the trade off the draft value chart and I originally had pick 55 and all our original picks, but it didn't add up close enough. Hell even the way I ended up doing it the value chart says the eagles get the better end of the deal by ~100 points but I can't see the chiefs not taking that offer. I know teams don't really use the value chart but I wanted to make it as realistic as possible.
And yeah, I wasn't real thrilled with the way the interior OL situation turned out and that would definitely be the biggest question mark after a draft like this.

I try to stick somewhat close, but I try to keep in mind that teams with less picks, or certain teams (like the pats and chiefs) value lots of picks, so you may not have to give up as much to move up when you trade with them.

Thumper
04-12-2010, 10:51 PM
One prospect who I really like is Anthony Davis, he is a great talent who has every bit of ability in the world. He has weight, maturity and work ethic issues but his talent and natural strength is incredible. He really reminds me of Andre Smith, Jason Peters and Shawn Andrews.

The Eagles worked out Anthony Davis and according to Davis "He killed it." and he said that in regards to the Eagles moving up "Yeah, they have some options to make some moves in the top 10".

Clearly he wants to be an Eagle, if you look at who he follows on twitter, I'd say its safe to say that he is an Eagles fan. He grew up in Piscataway which is less than an hour from Philly distance wise (New York is 49 miles away, and Piscataway is closer than New York).

I think if the Eagles want Davis they would have to jump the 49ers at #17. I would welcome Davis, he would line up at RG and I could see him being a similar caliber player as Shawn Andrews.

I would be really happy if Davis ended up being an Eagle.

cunningham06
04-12-2010, 10:54 PM
And some teams are just desperate to trade down. Remember the Browns last year? They traded pretty far down for very little in return.

frubulubu
04-12-2010, 11:09 PM
The following is a list of players that have either will be in for a visit or have already meet with the team. The golden nugget of Davis, from Thumper is one I did not have. Anyine else have more names?

Philadelphia Eagles
George Selvie - DE USF
Dan Williams-DT Tennesse
Kyle Wilson - CB Boise
Jarrett Brown-QB WV
Taylor Price- WR Ohio
Eric Berry- S Tennesse
Mike Newton-S Buffalo
Earl Mitchell-DT Arizona
Brian Price-DT UCLA
Joe Hawley-OL UNLV
Selvich Capers-OT WV
Jerry Hughes-DE TCU
Mike Iupati-G Idaho
DJ Karim-RB S. Illinois
Roger Saffold-OT Indiana
Charles Scott-RB LSU
Zoltan Mesko-P Michigan
Jeffrey Fitzgerald-DE Kan st
Danario Alexander-WR Mizz
Daniel Te'Nesheim-DE Was
E.J. Morton-WR Morgan St.
Dezmon Briscoe-WR Kan St
Ted Larsen-C N.C. St.
Linval Joseph-DT E.Carolina
Jay Ross-DT E.Carolina
Shawnbry McNeal-RB SMU
Emmanuel Sanders-WRSMU
Javier Arenas-CB Alabama
Arthur Moats-LB J Madison
Jerry Hughes-DE TCU
Toby Gerhart-RB Stanford
John Dwyer-RB G. Tech

eaglesalltheway
04-12-2010, 11:25 PM
One prospect who I really like is Anthony Davis, he is a great talent who has every bit of ability in the world. He has weight, maturity and work ethic issues but his talent and natural strength is incredible. He really reminds me of Andre Smith, Jason Peters and Shawn Andrews.

The Eagles worked out Anthony Davis and according to Davis "He killed it." and he said that in regards to the Eagles moving up "Yeah, they have some options to make some moves in the top 10".

Clearly he wants to be an Eagle, if you look at who he follows on twitter, I'd say its safe to say that he is an Eagles fan. He grew up in Piscataway which is less than an hour from Philly distance wise (New York is 49 miles away, and Piscataway is closer than New York).

I think if the Eagles want Davis they would have to jump the 49ers at #17. I would welcome Davis, he would line up at RG and I could see him being a similar caliber player as Shawn Andrews.

I would be really happy if Davis ended up being an Eagle.

Depemdong on the situation, I'd love Davis as well. I just don't see him being available long enough for the Eagles to even trade up.

Oh and BTW, Piscataway is more than an hour from Philly, unless your going 120+ on the highways. Its more like 2, give or take 20 minutes.

brat316
04-12-2010, 11:30 PM
Depemdong on the situation, I'd love Davis as well. I just don't see him being available long enough for the Eagles to even trade up.

Oh and BTW, Piscataway is more than an hour from Philly, unless your going 120+ on the highways. Its more like 2, give or take 20 minutes.

yeah route 1 traffic lights are a *****.

brat316
04-12-2010, 11:39 PM
The following is a list of players that have either will be in for a visit or have already meet with the team. The golden nugget of Davis, from Thumper is one I did not have. Anyine else have more names?

Philadelphia Eagles
George Selvie - DE USF
Dan Williams-DT Tennesse
Kyle Wilson - CB Boise
Jarrett Brown-QB WV
Taylor Price- WR Ohio
Eric Berry- S Tennesse
Mike Newton-S Buffalo
Earl Mitchell-DT Arizona
Brian Price-DT UCLA
Joe Hawley-OL UNLV
Selvich Capers-OT WV
Jerry Hughes-DE TCU
Mike Iupati-G Idaho
DJ Karim-RB S. Illinois
Roger Saffold-OT Indiana
Charles Scott-RB LSU
Zoltan Mesko-P Michigan
Jeffrey Fitzgerald-DE Kan st
Danario Alexander-WR Mizz
Daniel Te'Nesheim-DE Was
E.J. Morton-WR Morgan St.
Dezmon Briscoe-WR Kan St
Ted Larsen-C N.C. St.
Linval Joseph-DT E.Carolina
Jay Ross-DT E.Carolina
Shawnbry McNeal-RB SMU
Emmanuel Sanders-WRSMU
Javier Arenas-CB Alabama
Arthur Moats-LB J Madison
Jerry Hughes-DE TCU
Toby Gerhart-RB Stanford
John Dwyer-RB G. Tech

DE - 4 ...you have Hughes 2X
DT- 5
WR - 5
Rb - 5
Cb - 2
S - 2
C - 2
P - 1
Lb - 1
G - 1
OT- 3

31 players total...should be more.

Your list only includes players that count against the list of 30. I was surprised I did not see more RU, PSU, Nova, Temple, Pitt players, instate doesn't count.

frubulubu
04-12-2010, 11:59 PM
DE - 4 ...you have Hughes 2X
DT- 5
WR - 5
Rb - 5
Cb - 2
S - 2
C - 2
P - 1
Lb - 1
G - 1
OT- 3

31 players total...should be more.

Your list only includes players that count against the list of 30. I was surprised I did not see more RU, PSU, Nova, Temple, Pitt players, instate doesn't count.

Thats all the players I have been able to round up, im sure there are more players, If anyone wants to share, that would be tight.

eaglesalltheway
04-13-2010, 12:10 AM
DE - 4 ...you have Hughes 2X
DT- 5
WR - 5
Rb - 5
Cb - 2
S - 2
C - 2
P - 1
Lb - 1
G - 1
OT- 3

31 players total...should be more.

Your list only includes players that count against the list of 30. I was surprised I did not see more RU, PSU, Nova, Temple, Pitt players, instate doesn't count.
These lists are nice to know, but really, they don't give anyone a clue WTF the Eagles will do, lol.

cunningham06
04-13-2010, 12:15 AM
Brandyn Harvey, a WR from Villanova also worked out for the team. Interesting that we are looking at this many WR's. It is a hard position to peg in the draft though.

Also Connecticut CB Robert McClain, ASU DE Dexter Davis, Southern Illinois RB Deji Karim.

Not a lot of big names, but these are just a few other guys that have been brought in.

frubulubu
04-13-2010, 12:38 AM
These lists are nice to know, but really, they don't give anyone a clue WTF the Eagles will do, lol.

lmao! Last year, I gather a list of names, and found many names of players that got drafted by the team. Maclin, was the exception, whom the Eagles did not interview, or worked out.

eaglesalltheway
04-13-2010, 06:16 PM
lmao! Last year, I gather a list of names, and found many names of players that got drafted by the team. Maclin, was the exception, whom the Eagles did not interview, or worked out.

In many years though, the team will select less players than years like last year. These interviews seem just as much for the mid-late round guys as they are the top prospects.

frubulubu
04-13-2010, 06:37 PM
Yeah they are tight lip about who they really like. In some instances they will simply have a few words, with a prospect, and wont even bring him in. That makes it more intresting, hough.

eaglesalltheway
04-15-2010, 12:49 PM
This is something I've thought about since I saw it on a mock yesterday... If JPP fell to 24, what would your thoughts be about potentially drafting him? Of course it'd depend on the situation, but say Graham is gone, as well as Thomas, Pouncey, and Wilson. If he was available, where would you put him in terms of desire for our potential realistic targets? Personally, I'd see it like this..
1. Thomas
2a. Wilson
2b. Graham
2c. Pouncey
5. Weatherspoon
6. JPP
7. McCourty
8. K. Jackson
9. Iupati
10. Griffen

cunningham06
04-15-2010, 02:14 PM
1. Earl Thomas
2. Kyle Wilson
3. Maurkice Pouncey
4. Mike Iupati
5. JPP
6. Sergio Kindle
7. Sean Weatherspoon
8. Brandon Graham
9. Devin McCourty
10. Everson Griffen

igglefanz
04-15-2010, 02:32 PM
Kyle Wilson really?? I must of watched too many BSU games this year. He is a good fast corner but the Eagles Need a corner that can press and not get picked on by larger receivers. He is good in a cover 2 scheme but last time i checked we really don't run one. I would take Jackson second round over him or Jerome Murphy. Also trading up for Haden would be great too. Kyle Wilson is a good cb but not in our system. We need a corner that isn't going to be out muscled and beat off the line when pressed.

Thumper
04-15-2010, 04:11 PM
Well first off that statement is tremendously wrong because corners can't be pressed, the corners are the ones doing the pressing.

But cover 2 scheme? Have you ever watched Wilson play? He is probably the best man to man corner in the draft, he was shutdown at Boise State and he was shut down at the Senior bowl. Sure he isn't a press guy like Al Harris but he is a great all around corner who IMO might just go ahead of Haden. Wilson is a better man to man corner than Sheldon was, Sheldon was beat with double moves and by players with deep speed but Wilson has the ability to stick with just about anyone one on one.

He can't press well yet, thats all about technique so that can be taught to the point where he can at least be effective with the press. He is the best corner for the Eagles in round 1.

igglefanz
04-15-2010, 06:18 PM
Sorry my bad on the misuse of the term should of said when pressing but get my point. He played against lesser receivers and even then got burned quite a bit. He did have a good SR bowl will give you that but I have seen him get turned around and make some plays where he is going in the first round I really don't think he will be able to plays he needs to to be a good corner for the Eagles.

He needs to improve his upper body strength because the bigger NFL receivers are going to push him off easily on press coverage when blitzing. He had a good season in a very average conference. There is no Darrel Reavis or Champ Bailey in this draft class. You can quote me on this and I am willing to eat Crow but Wilson is not going to do very well in the NFL. He is going to be average at best and I see much more upside with a few other CB's then him. he tries to arm tackle some of the bigger receivers they are going to just shrug him off.

I mean he makes plays but just to many things I have seen watching BSU that makes me go I really like him but god he is gonna get burned at the next level.

frubulubu
04-15-2010, 10:59 PM
The games I saw of Wilson, and it just might be the games I saw, him play in. But this man can deliver a blow! Did anyone see him in the game against Oregon state? He was all over the Oregon wideouts, and forced the qb to throw some horrible passes and to hang on to the ball longer than regularly, causing turnovers. This cat is a serious player, and would love to see him in midnight green.

Thumper
04-16-2010, 12:24 AM
Wilson does have some pop in his hits at times, but that isn't an indicator of his tackling ability and he is not a great run supporter, I'd say his willingness to support the run is about average. He won't be a Sheldon Brown in run stopping, especially right off the bat, but he is certainly much better than Asante in that aspect (Asante is the worst tackler in the NFL).

Also remember that Asante packs a punch on occassion whenever he decides he is going to tackle some people. Just a reminder that it isn't an indicator that someone can play in run support because they occassionally light someone up.

eaglesalltheway
04-16-2010, 12:42 PM
As I see it, Wilson is a good fit, he is a balanced CB, but some things that were said here that I disagree with...

I wouldn't say he is consistently a shut down guy. He can do it, but games show that it shoudln't be expected of him. Thumper, I think you easily forget just how good of a coverage CB Sheldon was, especially in his prime. Wilson is more succeptible to double moves than Sheldon was. However, Wilson can only get better and learn not to fall for those as much with more experience and coaching. I also think it is VERY unlikely Wilson goes before Haden. Iggle, I do see Wilson being able to make plays in the NFL, its what he does. I can see Wilson being very good in the league, and there is plenty of potential in him to be very good. Wilson is more than Willing to step up and help in the run, however, because of his tackling ability, isn't always as productive as you'd want. He shouldn't be compared to Sheldon or Asante, because he doesn't really play like either of them. He is a blanced CB who, at times, can make a big hit, or a key INT.

BuffaloBillsFan
04-17-2010, 01:03 AM
Eric Berry falls to the 9th pick and Andy Reid calls Buddy Nix to see how much it would cost to trade up and get him. Buddy Nix wants the 24th, 37th and 105th picks for the 9th overall pick. You're Andy Reid, what do you do?

eagles6606
04-17-2010, 07:04 AM
Eric Berry falls to the 9th pick and Andy Reid calls Buddy Nix to see how much it would cost to trade up and get him. Buddy Nix wants the 24th, 37th and 105th picks for the 9th overall pick. You're Andy Reid, what do you do?

I think the Eagles have to be careful about spending too much to move up. They have needs at DE, FS, CB, LB, C/G, and RB. I wouldn't throw away four or five picks just to get one player i.e. Eric Berry. The Eagles have to fill a lot of needs and getting Eric Berry wouldn't solve all of our problems.

frubulubu
04-17-2010, 08:34 AM
Eric Berry falls to the 9th pick and Andy Reid calls Buddy Nix to see how much it would cost to trade up and get him. Buddy Nix wants the 24th, 37th and 105th picks for the 9th overall pick. You're Andy Reid, what do you do?

To high of a asking price, imo. Im sure they will trade up, but not to grab , Berry, that high.

Go_Eagles77
04-17-2010, 09:18 AM
I would do that trade n a heartbeat.

Thumper
04-17-2010, 01:02 PM
If Eric Berry is an Eagle I will run through the streets, amazing player who will be the next top flight safety and will lead the defensive revival of the Eagles.

BuffaloBillsFan
04-17-2010, 03:39 PM
I think the Eagles have to be careful about spending too much to move up. They have needs at DE, FS, CB, LB, C/G, and RB. I wouldn't throw away four or five picks just to get one player i.e. Eric Berry. The Eagles have to fill a lot of needs and getting Eric Berry wouldn't solve all of our problems.

You would still have a 2nd & 3rd round pick to work with and you could pull off something like:

9.) Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (Rated as the best overall player in this year's class by some.)
55.) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida (Walter has him falling to you here.)
70.) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, IUP

That would be an interesting draft for you guys, but I understand if you wouldn't want to trade up, I just thought that the Eagles didn't have many holes to fill, that's all.

Sniper
04-17-2010, 03:42 PM
55.) Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida (Walter has him falling to you here.)


I'll ******* choke a *****.

BuffaloBillsFan
04-17-2010, 04:18 PM
I'll ******* choke a *****.

Hahah, not a fan of Dunlap I take it?

Sniper
04-17-2010, 04:39 PM
Hahah, not a fan of Dunlap I take it?

No. Hype of a first-round pick, film of a sixth-rounder, if that. He's terrible. He offers nothing. He's big and runs fast for 40 yards. Big whoop. He's not strong on the field, he has no leverage, he overruns every running play, lacks explosiveness, isn't agile, he doesn't disengage well, he's lazy, he's a dumb ****, and he's not good at football.

BuffaloBillsFan
04-17-2010, 06:30 PM
No. Hype of a first-round pick, film of a sixth-rounder, if that. He's terrible. He offers nothing. He's big and runs fast for 40 yards. Big whoop. He's not strong on the field, he has no leverage, he overruns every running play, lacks explosiveness, isn't agile, he doesn't disengage well, he's lazy, he's a dumb ****, and he's not good at football.


What do you think of Jermaine Cunningham? I actually like the guy, he may never be as good as Dwight Freeney, but he plays with a motor and has a similar body type. I'm actually hoping that my Bills may be able to snag him in round 3, what are your thoughts on him?

Sniper
04-17-2010, 06:31 PM
What do you think of Jermaine Cunningham? I actually like the guy, he may never be as good as Dwight Freeney, but he plays with a motor and has a similar body type. I'm actually hoping that my Bills may be able to snag him in round 3, what are your thoughts on him?

I'd like him a lot as a backup. I don't think he's a starter, but a guy who can hold up in a decent amount of snaps. I like him A LOT better than Dunlap.

Thumper
04-17-2010, 06:34 PM
Hahah, not a fan of Dunlap I take it?

Are you implying there are fans of Dunlap? Dunlap sucks. I would go more in depth but Sniper covered it, Dunlap can't do anything well on or off the field. No thanks.

SickwithIt1010
04-17-2010, 06:36 PM
I'd like him a lot as a backup. I don't think he's a starter, but a guy who can hold up in a decent amount of snaps. I like him A LOT better than Dunlap.

I agree with this...

But i would be lovin it to be honest if we traded up to get Berry. Berry to me seems like one of the few guys that will be a game changer in this draft. Hes just one of those guys that you always have to know where he is, and take him into account.

superman8456
04-17-2010, 07:36 PM
Honestly, I couldnt really care whether we get Earl Thomas or Eric Berry. I think Eric Berry would be the better player, but thats no knock on Thomas.

Go_Eagles77
04-17-2010, 07:46 PM
I would love Eric Berry, but the hot rumor right now is the eagles might move up to #12, which I'm guessing will only be good enough for Haden or Thomas. I think in that scenario I would prefer Haden.

SickwithIt1010
04-17-2010, 07:52 PM
I would love Eric Berry, but the hot rumor right now is the eagles might move up to #12, which I'm guessing will only be good enough for Haden or Thomas. I think in that scenario I would prefer Haden.

If we can say put and get Mays, im down

superman8456
04-17-2010, 07:59 PM
I think the best situation that is actually possible would be trading with the Broncos/Jaguars to get Haden.

Safety class is just too deep and there are no garuntees we would get the CB we want with our first 2nd rounder. I would rather get the best CB and the third or fourth best S.

Morton
04-17-2010, 08:43 PM
http://rob-rang.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/13682485/21027140

"It has been reported (originally by Sports Illustrated's Peter King) that the Eagles were aggressively looking to move up. I have been able to confirm this, but counter to King's story, which has Philadelphia looking to move up for either Eric Berry or Earl Thomas at safety, I'm told a different player is the Eagles' real target. Middle linebacker Rolando McClain, given the team's need for a thumper inside and the significant drop-off at the position after McClain, would seem a likely candidate."

Thumper
04-17-2010, 09:10 PM
If we can say put and get Mays, im down

Taylor Mays is ******* awful. I hate the idea of him being on the Eagles.

I would be super pissed if that ever happened, moreso than Carlos Dunlap.

Sniper
04-17-2010, 09:15 PM
moreso than Carlos Dunlap.

Don't be ridiculous.

Thumper
04-17-2010, 09:19 PM
Don't be ridiculous.

Oh I'm not, if Mays is the pick I'm going to curse at my TV and rant for days. If Dunlap is the pick I will look at the TV funny, do a little "wtf?" rant and then hope he puts his physical tools together.

Sniper
04-17-2010, 09:20 PM
Oh I'm not, if Mays is the pick I'm going to curse at my TV and rant for days. If Dunlap is the pick I will look at the TV funny, do a little "wtf?" rant and then hope he puts his physical tools together.

At least you could put Mays in deep center and not have to worry too much about it. Dunlap offers nothing.

BaLLiN
04-17-2010, 09:25 PM
remember awhile ago when some article/source revealed that two NFC East teams had Taylor Mays as a LB? Do you think you guys would think your organization would?

Go_Eagles77
04-17-2010, 09:36 PM
remember awhile ago when some article/source revealed that two NFC East teams had Taylor Mays as a LB? Do you think you guys would think your organization would?
I can't imagine the cowboys or redskins would have Mays at LB in a 3-4, so that leaves the giants and eagles. I the eagles did take him for whatever reason, I would hope he would be a safety though.

jriles0522
04-17-2010, 10:08 PM
You think there is any interest in moving up to #7 to get Eric Berry, for your #24, #37 and a 3rd-4th rounder?

Or Even #7, #72...for 24, 37, 55? Not sure if those values work out exactly right, but it seems like you guys are only a few players away, while we have a lot of holes to fill. Berry is the stud safety, and this is a deep corner draft you guys could still find quality at #55, #72?

The communication has to be there between Browns-Eagles, and I think Berry is worth going up for much more than Earl Thomas.

Go_Eagles77
04-17-2010, 10:13 PM
You think there is any interest in moving up to #7 to get Eric Berry, for your #24, #37 and a 3rd-4th rounder?

Or Even #7, #72...for 24, 37, 55? Not sure if those values work out exactly right, but it seems like you guys are only a few players away, while we have a lot of holes to fill. Berry is the stud safety, and this is a deep corner draft you guys could still find quality at #55, #72?

The communication has to be there between Browns-Eagles, and I think Berry is worth going up for much more than Earl Thomas.
I would take either of those deals.