Pryor Isn't A Very Good QB Thread

[redbills]

Yea this needs a thread I want to talk about how TP isn't a every good QB.

Yep, if we had a QB who could play we would have won. TP sucks, 3 times in the redzone, 1 TD. I said it right when we kicked the 2nd FG this will cost us. If TP had balls he would have made a play that got us a TD. No he sucks. That Trent Forcier (sp?) from Mich is 5 x the better option QB. It really makes me said when I said "Man I wish Todd Boeckman was at QB right now". Pryor sucks.

[steelernation77]

Juice Williams also isn't very good, but he doesn't play for OSU so...

Edit: Also, no matter how good Forcier gets, it will not change the fact that he is a huge d-bag, actually it will probably just make it worse.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

If only Ohio State had Matt Barkley, the greatest quarterback in the history of college football, they might be able to win a (legitimate) national title in this century

[P-L]

It's funny because on that final drive I thought: I bet Ohio State wishes they still had Todd Boeckman on their bench.

[FUNBUNCHER]

I was disappointed in Pryor's performance and felt they left a victory over USC out there on the field. Lots of mental mistakes, delay of game calls, etc.

Great athlete who still hasn't learned the basics of the position yet. To me he still looks very raw, is late on many of his throws, and oddly, isn't aware of when to run with the ball.

From where I was sitting, Tressel was outcoached on offense and his marquee QB is smelling bust-y in his 2nd year at OSU.

I thought I'd never say this, but Vince Young played at a level in college I don't think Pryor will ever reach. Yes he's a sophomore and this was only his 2nd game of 2009, but tonight IMO he choked this game away.

That USC team will not go undefeated, still too young at too many positions, and yet Pryor couldn't get off against 'em.

Very unsatisfactory performance.

[GhostDeini]

Jacory Harris is everything Pryor was suppose to be.

[kwilk103]

his mechanics are horrible

thought they would work on that during the spring

[FUNBUNCHER]

Jacory Harris is everything Pryor was supposed to be.

Amen.

I'd rep ya, but alas I got no juice.

[Hurricanes25]

I've been saying that he is overrated but he is only a sophmore so you have to give him some time.

[redbills]

Jacory Harris is everything Pryor was suppose to be.

that is also true.

[redbills]

I've been saying that he is overrated but he is only a sophmore so you have to give him some time.

True, but still from all that hype you'd think he would have make a big time play or 2 today.
In a year we could look back at this and lol.

[Hurricanes25]

True, but still from all that hype you'd think he would have make a big time play or 2 today.
In a year we could look back at this and lol.

That's the problem. He had so much hype coming into the year and he may never live up to it. Even if he turns out good, it may never be enough.

[Hollywood]

That's the problem. He had so much hype coming into the year and he may never live up to it. Even if he turns out good, it may never be enough.

Once he moves to WR he will start to live up to the hype.

[Hurricanes25]

I saw that it said Pryor runs a 4.33. I dont believe that ****. He does not look that fast at all.

[MiWolves]

he looks like VY in his first 2 years in college.. I'll assume it'll take him until his junior/senior year to live up to the hype

[Sniper]

Edit: Also, no matter how good Forcier gets, it will not change the fact that he is a huge d-bag, actually it will probably just make it worse.

What has he done to warrant being called a "huge d-bag? Also, how is it relevant to this thread?

It was awesome hearing all off-season about how TOTALLY ROXORZ of a passer Pryor was now.

[kwilk103]

pryor should have went to michigan

mechanics would still be bad, but at least rod would have used his running ability

[MiWolves]

I'd rather have forcier lol hes a much better passer then pryor.

[thetedginnshow]

I saw that it said Pryor runs a 4.33. I dont believe that ****. He does not look that fast at all.

It doesn't because he's such a long strider. You can't really tell though in games because when he scrambles he rarely runs at full speed, which is another problem of his...

[TACKLE]

Jacory Harris is everything Pryor was suppose to be.

Going against the grain but I don't agree with that at all. Everyone knew that Pryor was going to be an athletic, running QB who they hoped could develop as a passer. Jacory is a pretty good athlete but he's a pocket passer. There games were never similar nor did anyone expect them to be similar.

[JRTPlaya21]

Pryor should have just played basketball. Then he could go pro and have a great contract. There is still time.

[TACKLE]

I'd rather have forcier lol hes a much better passer then pryor.

For all the hate TP is getting, I'd still rather have him as my QB in Rich Rod's offense over Forcier.

[ElectricEye]

Jacory Harris is everything Pryor was suppose to be.

So Jacory Harris is going to potentially rush for a thousand yards and ten plus touchdowns in a season along with his passing numbers? Sure bud. Completely different style of players and completely different sets of expectations for both of them.

Also, I don't think I have ever seen anyone on a football site consistently not get it as much as you do.

[raiderz4life]

I dont think Pryor will get past decent QB. He just doesn't seem to make progress as a passer. I also don't believe he runs a 4.33 as i dont believe Mays runs a 2.25....I saw those numbers at the beginning of the game and said ********

[MiWolves]

Anyone else think it was tressel's playcalling that made OSU lose? (does a happy dance)

[Forenci]

Oh no, let's judge a quarterback two games in to his second year. If we did that we'd all think Jimmy Clausen is a pretty awful quarterback who has no chance of getting better. Oh wait though, now people are saying he can be a first round pick and is a Heisman candidate!

Pryor is pretty raw as a quarterback, but people forget he's only a sophomore who's already won a ton of games as a true freshman.

Last I checked Ohio State didn't win a lot of meaningful games when Todd Boeckman was the QB too.

Also everybody needs to cool down on Tate Forcier. He's been good in TWO games. Everyone is already saying he's amazing when hasn't proven **** yet.

[SickwithIt1010]

he looks like VY in his first 2 years in college.. I'll assume it'll take him until his junior/senior year to live up to the hype

except for VY took over games. When VY turned it on, he was like something out of a video game....

[ElectricEye]

except for VY took over games. When VY turned it on, he was like something out of a video game....

He didn't really start doing that until the end of his sophomore year though. He took off from there, but he had some Pryorish struggles early on.

In all honesty, he isn't that good right now, but it's way too early to tell how he'll play out as a college player/prospect at the moment. He might not run a 4.3, but no one can deny he has a lot of tools to make a future for himself with.

[MiWolves]

Consider that VY played in Texas run happy offense.

[Sniper]

Also everybody needs to cool down on Tate Forcier. He's been good in TWO games. Everyone is already saying he's amazing when hasn't proven **** yet.

He had more passing yards and total yards today than Terrelle Pryor has ever had in a game.

[MiWolves]

I seriously hope Denard Robinson doesn't transfer... with Forcier's play

[D-Unit]

So do we really need a thread that states the obvious? What next? Someone wants to bump their chest over the statement that the football is not round? Yeeeeeah!!!! I'm so smart because I think Terrell Pryor has QB issues!!!! WOOOooo! I'm the MAN! THE MAN BABY!

[FUNBUNCHER]

Denard Robinson = future Va Tech Hokie QB!!

TP may be fast, but he lacks that make-em-miss in the box quickness that Vick had, or the slide, slip, and cut running ability of Vince Young. I expected to see more from him tonight, and was let down.

[aNYtitan]

So let me see, the guy is a true sophmore and he isn't very good at all. And you don't believe he has the talent or ability to get better over time? I don't see him leaving OSU any time soon. He showed bad ability to play in the 2 minute offense tonight, and looked lost at times, but he oozes potential and I think he can be legit. May not be heisman type, but I could see him carrying OSU at one point or another (I know, seems rhetorical)

[JRTPlaya21]

Dude what are you smoking? We have two recruits at qb in our next class and Tyrod is still here....

[Forenci]

He had more passing yards and total yards today than Terrelle Pryor has ever had in a game.

Hooray. He has more passing yards in a game than a guy who is a running quarterback as opposed to a guy who is more of a passer!

Seriously, three weeks from now if he's throwing a ton of interceptions Michigan fans will be screaming for Rich Rod to bench this 'Nick Sheridan clone' and to start Denard Robinson.

[FUNBUNCHER]

I don't know who Tech has coming in next year at QB, but I do know if VT had a legit QB they'd contend for a NC. Tyrod Taylor is painful to watch IMO.

I still think if Forcier continues to play at his present level, Robinson will eventually transfer.

[JRTPlaya21]

Ha yeah Tyrod can be painful, but at this point I'll go with experience. Even if that experience has taken a step or 5 back.

[Michigan]

Hooray. He has more passing yards in a game than a guy who is a running quarterback as opposed to a guy who is more of a passer!

Seriously, three weeks from now if he's throwing a ton of interceptions Michigan fans will be screaming for Rich Rod to bench this 'Nick Sheridan clone' and to start Denard Robinson.

Tate plays in an offense that is just as (if not more) run heavy so that argument won't work.

Also, your second comment is incredibly hypothetical. It's just as easy for me to say: Seriously, three weeks from now if Pryor's throwing a ton of interceptions Ohio State fans will be screaming for Tressel to bench this 'Todd Boeckman' clone and to start Joe Bauserman.

[Michigan]

I still think if Forcier continues to play at his present level, Robinson will eventually transfer.

Robinson can play multiple positions, and he has enough playmaking ability that he'll see time at QB in every game. There could eventually be a Chris Leak/Tim Tebow type split once Robinson gets more accustomed to the offense (Tate came for Spring practices).

[Sniper]

Hooray. He has more passing yards in a game than a guy who is a running quarterback as opposed to a guy who is more of a passer!

Did you miss the "more total yards as well" part of the equation?

[Forenci]

Did you miss the "more total yards as well" part of the equation?

Actually I did, but that's not difficult to do when you consider it took Pryor four games just end up with still several less pass attempts/rush attempts than Forcier did. Ohio State ran an offense not heavily dependent on their true freshman QB while Michigan really has no choice to throw Forcier into the fire.

I actually like Forcier a lot, but people saying he's the second coming and is going to be an amazing four year starter after two games is pretty absurd. Even you have to admit that, Sniper.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

I also think we need to wait until Miami plays another game before crowning Jacory Harris' ass. That Florida State team he pounded on did just almost lose to Jacksonville St

[FUNBUNCHER]

I also think we need to wait until Miami plays another game before crowning Jacory Harris' ass. That Florida State team he pounded on did just almost lose to Jacksonville St

Ugh, Bowden needs to retire. The talent is no longer there at FSU. There used to be a time when FSU's starters could have played with 50% intensity and beat Jack State by 40.

I still think Jacory Harris will end up being the better QB and drafted higher than Pryor when they enter the draft. I think the NFL's fetish with freak athlete QBs who would have trouble throwing for 300 yards against a good HS secondary is on the decline.

[JFLO]

This thread is absolutely ridiculous...

The guy is in his second game into his second year and people are expecting him to be a godsend just because he was the #1 recruit coming out of HS.

I'll admit it, he made some questionable plays last night, but he also made some very bright plays. I blame the coaching staff more than I do Pryor or any individual player for that matter. Some of the plays that were called on offense, especially near the end of the first half and end of the game were just ridiculous. It seemed that all the team wanted to do was go 15-20 yards down field.

[scottyboy]

I bet OSU wishes they had Tom Savage...

what? oh come on, you knew it was coming.

[Unbiased]

What has he done to warrant being called a "huge d-bag? Also, how is it relevant to this thread?

It was awesome hearing all off-season about how TOTALLY ROXORZ of a passer Pryor was now.

http://www.qbforce.com/tate/offers/Offers.htm

[superman8456]

Ironic, first post of this thread has someone wearing a Jevan Snead sig calling Pryor a bad QB...

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Lol Aaron Corp should transfer to OSU.

[Sniper]

I actually like Forcier a lot, but people saying he's the second coming and is going to be an amazing four year starter after two games is pretty absurd. Even you have to admit that, Sniper.

Well, of course. However, you can't blame Michigan fans for being excited after the '08 Steve Threet/Nick Sheridan Horror Show.

[GhostDeini]

J12 is already a better QB than Pryor is. J12 had two 90 plus yard scoring drives on the road as true freshmen for wins and career high in passing yardage vs. a rival also on the road. The kid just makes things happen. Pryor is a million times the better athlete but doesn't make any game winning plays as a QB.

[DeathbyStat]

Doesn't have a feel for the position, no instincts doesn't know how to harness his athletic abilities even when he runs as oppose to passing

[Smooth Criminal]

Pryor is not very good. Has a ton of potential but he hasn't lived up to it at this point. He needs to work on reading a defense and needs to get a better command of the offense.

But the credit for this loss belongs on Tressel. I can't blame him for the conservative offense when Pryor is the QB, but the prevent defense against USC after playing dominating defense all game? Going into the prevent and allowing Barkely to dink and dunk down the field instead of bringing pressure? Why go away from what worked all game? Not like USC was pressed for time. Tressel and his prevent defense always seem to prevent this team from winning.

[CC.SD]

I've been saying that he is overrated but he is only a sophmore so you have to give him some time.

A lot of the posts that say give him time can be put to shame by Barkley showing him up. The fact that Barkley can run a two minute offense better than Pryor is not a good sign.

Pryor's second option should be run, always.

[Smooth Criminal]

Barkley hasn't ever ran a 2 minute offense.

But the offense around Barkley is also much better than the one Pryor has. His OL sucks, the run game isn't great, and his receivers are inexperienced.

Not to mention, some players just take longer to develop than others. If Pryor develops into a great QB his senior year, he'll only be remembered for that. People accept struggles in the early part of players careers, as long as they put it all together eventually.

[Sniper]

Barkley hasn't ever ran a 2 minute offense.

But the offense around Barkley is also much better than the one Pryor has. His OL sucks, the run game isn't great, and his receivers are inexperienced.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. I've had Buckeye fans swearing up and down all off-season that despite losing Chris Wells, the Buckeyes' running game would be better. Despite losing Brian Robiskie and Brian Hartline, their receiving would be better. What's going on here?

[Smooth Criminal]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. I've had Buckeye fans swearing up and down all off-season that despite losing Chris Wells, the Buckeyes' running game would be better. Despite losing Brian Robiskie and Brian Hartline, their receiving would be better. What's going on here?

I don't know who you talk to, but its obvious to most that after losing those 3 guys, the offense would be alot weaker.

Only offensive areas I thought would improve is OL and QB play. I expected Mike Adams to step up and play a great LT and I couldn't have been more wrong. Pryor hasnt improved much either.

[Malaka]

Tate Forcier > Terrell Pryor

Matt Barkley > Terrell Pryor

Robert Griffin > Terrell Pryor

Pryor just isn't an amazing QB, although he is an excellent athlete. He may be Matt Jones 2.0, from the prospect standpoint 6'6, possible 4.4 speed. I'd definitely take a flier on him as a WR, a QB not so much.

[Hurricanes25]

A lot of the posts that say give him time can be put to shame by Barkley showing him up. The fact that Barkley can run a two minute offense better than Pryor is not a good sign.

Pryor's second option should be run, always.

What does Barkley have anything to do with Pryor? Just because Barkley can run a 2 minute offense has nothing to do with Pryor. You really cant compare the two. Barkley is clearly more polished than Pryor. But just because Barkley can run a 2 minute drill, how is that not a good sign for pryor?

[FUNBUNCHER]

This season's still early so hopefully his play will improve, but if Pryor has any designs on playing QB at the next level, he needs IMO at least all 4 years of eligibility at OSU.

Against Navy and USC, I saw basically the same QB on the field that Pryor was as a true frosh at Ohio State.

[Foosballphan]

Is Pryor planning on learning how to throw a spiral anytime soon?

[P-L]

Against Navy and USC, I saw basically the same QB on the field that Pryor was as a true frosh at Ohio State.
My issue with Pryor this year has been that I've seen him make mistakes that he didn't make as a freshman.

[Smooth Criminal]

My issue with Pryor this year has been that I've seen him make mistakes that he didn't make as a freshman.

It looks to me these last two games hes trying to hard to be something hes not. He looks like hes trying to prove he can be an NFL Qb, and its not working. When he was a freshman he played much simpler. Ran alot more. He just played. This year he looks like hes trying to hard.

[Smooth Criminal]

Is Pryor planning on learning how to throw a spiral anytime soon?


He was throwing beautiful spirals all over the field during the spring game. Way better than the ducks hes thrown his entire career. Thats one of the main reasons alot of OSU fans were optomistic he'd be a bigger weapon this year.

[TACKLE]

Tate Forcier > Terrell Pryor

Matt Barkley > Terrell Pryor

Robert Griffin > Terrell Pryor

Robert Griffin > Every QB in college football not name Tebow, McCoy or Bradford

[LonghornsLegend]

It looks to me these last two games hes trying to hard to be something hes not. He looks like hes trying to prove he can be an NFL Qb, and its not working. When he was a freshman he played much simpler. Ran alot more. He just played. This year he looks like hes trying to hard.

Sophmores can easily regress, just look at what happened with Colt McCoy. I'd just like to see Pryor get some of the basics down which I think are unacceptable for him to be doing at this point ie throwing off his back foot, proper footwork, staring down WR's, things like that.


I also wonder if that offense is the best fit for him, while he was saying he wanted to go there to be "pro ready" I believe, it's scary to think of how good he'd look playing in Rich Rodriguez' offense.


That last play that OSU had in the game, it was a pretty much a hail mary, where Pryor locked onto one WR, saw 3 defenders near him, then prompted to lob the ball up like he was standing in the end zone.


I also don't like the 'deer in headlights' look he gets when playing from behind. Give him the lead and he looks fine, but as soon as they are behind and need to throw it more, he looks confused...He's just an incredible athlete, but I thought they were working on his footwork and things like that alot more this off-season.

[Smooth Criminal]

He definately lacks the fundementals. Things like throwing off his back foot, and proper footwork. I think its because he never took the time to learn them. In highschool he was the man, got by simply on his athletic ability. He was the best player on the field. At this level, thats not gonna get him by, esspecially in the pro style offense.

Hopefully someone teaches him to be a QB soon. I'd rather see us mold the system to him rather than try to make him something hes not.

[wogitalia]

I didn't think Pryor was bad at all. Both defenses were on top in the game and both defenses look really strong.

Pryor made some nice plays, his technique is pretty awful, but his throws for the most part get the job done. My pet hate is how he can't seem to drop back straight, always seems to need to take a couple of steps to his right for some reason, which tends to lock him into that side a bit when his primary is also to the right.

Also seemed really tentative to take off which was strange, but for a sophomore who has started a half dozen games he looked alright against a defense that will once again be amongst the elite.

[CC.SD]

What does Barkley have anything to do with Pryor? Just because Barkley can run a 2 minute offense has nothing to do with Pryor. You really cant compare the two. Barkley is clearly more polished than Pryor. But just because Barkley can run a 2 minute drill, how is that not a good sign for pryor?

Given that those two and Clausen are the most highly touted high school QBs to come out in a while, you are going to see comparisons, sorry. Barkley being further along in his development than Pryor is not a good sign for the Buckeye because he's a year older and has been in the system longer. That's all.

[Hurricanes25]

Given that those two and Clausen are the most highly touted high school QBs to come out in a while, you are going to see comparisons, sorry. Barkley being further along in his development than Pryor is not a good sign for the Buckeye because he's a year older and has been in the system longer. That's all.

I see what your saying but you cant compare the two on how well they executed a 2 minute offense. To be honest, I dont think there should even be a comparison between the two. Through 2 games, Barkley has proven to be better than Pryor. Thats why it's hard to compare the two because they are different QB's.

[CC.SD]

I see what your saying but you cant compare the two on how well they executed a 2 minute offense. To be honest, I dont think there should even be a comparison between the two. Through 2 games, Barkley has proven to be better than Pryor. Thats why it's hard to compare the two because they are different QB's.

That's fair, they definitely have differing styles. I remember the big reason Pryor chose OSU was to learn to become a pro style quarterback instead of the next VY, which is probably the reason why I feel like it's open season on his reading/throwing abilities. No doubting the talent though.

[sweetness34]

Vince Young wasn't a QB either and won a National Title. I'm not sayin', just sayin'.

Pryor may not be a "QB" by definition but he sure has the potential to be a helluva player at this level. He has to develop his tools to become a pro quarterback but he has some sick talent.

[Sniper]

That's fair, they definitely have differing styles. I remember the big reason Pryor chose OSU was to learn to become a pro style quarterback

And he wonders why people question his decision-making...Quick, name me the last OSU QB to do something in the NFL.

[kwilk103]

And he wonders why people question his decision-making...Quick, name me the last OSU QB to do something in the NFL.

schlister was a 1st rounder

?????

[DoWnThEfiElD]

Pryor just fires the ball at receivers feet on out routes. His accuracy is not that of a QB even on a D-AA level.

[trkaline]

Ohio should play Pryor as a situational passrusher, he knows what the quarterback is thinking...

[Sniper]

Ohio should play Pryor as a situational passrusher, he knows what the quarterback is thinking...

No, he doesn't. Pryor's not smart enough to know what he's thinking, let alone the other QB.

[Snorlax1]

http://i28.tinypic.com/2wlsf8j.jpg

[sweetness34]

And he wonders why people question his decision-making...Quick, name me the last OSU QB to do something in the NFL.

Craig Krenzel.

Don't hate. First pass was a bomb to Berrian for a touchdown.

[dabears10]

Craig Krenzel.

Don't hate. First pass was a bomb to Berrian for a touchdown.

HE WON HIS FIRST THREE STARTS!

[TACKLE]

Vince Young wasn't a QB either and won a National Title. I'm not sayin', just sayin'.

3036 yards, 26 TD's and a 65% completion percentage disagree with this statement.

[Iamcanadian]

It seems to me that Tressel is the problem not Prior. Tressel has been exposed as a mediocre HC who cannot win big games but depends on recruiting to keep his team at a winning level much like Cooper did for Ohio St. He simply cannot beat other top HC's on a consistent level much like Stoops of Oklahoma cannot defeat other top HC's.
Both Stoops and Tressel depend on their recuiting to stay near the top but in the end,they lack the coaching ability to compete with the better HC's in big games.

[HindSight]

And he wonders why people question his decision-making...Quick, name me the last OSU QB to do something in the NFL.
Of his choices, Ohio State's offense was the best one to prepare him for the NFL....assuming he can learn.

You know that, yet you still say stupid things.

[HindSight]

Ohio should play Pryor as a situational passrusher, he knows what the quarterback is thinking...
He doesn't play for the Bobcats.

[Sniper]

Of his choices, Ohio State's offense was the best one to prepare him for the NFL....assuming he can learn.

You know that, yet you still say stupid things.

Really? I'm pretty sure he had offers from more than Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan, but that could just be me. Penn State's record with QBs is just a smidge better than OSU's.

[HindSight]

Michigan - Running Rich Rodriguez's system is not going to get him into the NFL as a QB. You can't argue against that.
Penn State - Michael Robinson says "hi" from the 3rd string FB spot

Obviously he had other offers, but he was down to 3 schools after looking at other factors. Don't act like there's only 1 thing a kid looks at when picking a school.

[Sniper]

Penn State - Michael Robinson says "hi" from the 3rd string FB spot

Right, I forgot Joe Paterno's only coached Michael Robinson as his QB. My bad. Won't happen again.

Troy Smith says "what's up?" from his "My team is so confident in my ability that they drafted a guy in the first round a year after they drafted me" spot.

[HindSight]

First, Paterno doesn't coach anything on that team.

Second, the last QB they had with Pryor's QB skill set was..........Michael Robinson.

Third, the recent QB coaching staff at Penn State is...............a joke. Their fans will be the first to tell you that.

It was an obvious choice. I don't understand why you're so bitter about it.

[Sniper]

It was an obvious choice. I don't understand why you're so bitter about it.

I'm not. I'm questioning his logic.

[El Peefs?????]

First, Paterno doesn't coach anything on that team.

Second, the last QB they had with Pryor's QB skill set was..........Michael Robinson.

Third, the recent QB coaching staff at Penn State is...............a joke. Their fans will be the first to tell you that.

It was an obvious choice. I don't understand why you're so bitter about it.

I think the obvious choice would have been to either play QB in a spread option or move to WR to be in a pro system. I don't see what is so obvious about picking a staff without any pedigree in preparing quality NFL QB's.. to prepare you to be an NFL QB.

That said, since you seemed so entranced with coaches/programs past QB's.. Rich Rod has still produced two 2nd round draft picks as QB's from his spread system, something Tressel hasnt managed to do running a 'pro style' offense. Shaun King even started all 16 games for a 10-6 Bucs team, which is certainly more success than any former buckeye signal caller has had this decade.

[Sniper]

I think the obvious choice would have been to either play QB in a spread option or move to WR to be in a pro system. I don't see what is so obvious about picking a staff without any pedigree in preparing quality NFL QB's.. to prepare you to be an NFL QB.

That said, since you seemed so entranced with coaches/programs past QB's.. Rich Rod has still produced two 2nd round draft picks as QB's from his spread system, something Tressel hasnt managed to do running a 'pro style' offense. Shaun King even started all 16 games for a 10-6 Bucs team, which is certainly more success than any former buckeye signal caller has had this decade.

Or ever....

[HindSight]

I think the obvious choice would have been to either play QB in a spread option or move to WR to be in a pro system. I don't see what is so obvious about picking a staff without any pedigree in preparing quality NFL QB's.. to prepare you to be an NFL QB.

That said, since you seemed so entranced with coaches/programs past QB's.. Rich Rod has still produced two 2nd round draft picks as QB's from his spread system, something Tressel hasnt managed to do running a 'pro style' offense. Shaun King even started all 16 games for a 10-6 Bucs team, which is certainly more success than any former buckeye signal caller has had this decade.
The obvious choice to become an NFL QB is to become a system QB or a WR? That's just dumb.

The obvious choice to instantly take advantage of his skill set is to do those things. But if he wanted to learn how to become more of a drop back passer, why would he go to an option offense or become a WR?

It's not that Ohio State produces 15 QBs a year....it's that they DON'T hamper you. He made whatever decisions he made to eliminate all the schools that offered him except 3...Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State.

Michigan - Shaun King didn't run this offense, so that's a weak argument. Pat White will never be a QB in the NFL. If Troy Smith isn't going to make it.....Pat White will NEVER EVER make it.

Penn State - Ask their fans what their opinion is of Paterno's son as a QB guy. You've got Robinson who had to move to FB. You've got Morelli who was supposed to be a future NFLer. He's the kid who an NFL scout said was "acutely undercoached".

Ohio State - Process of elimination.

[Sniper]

For all the '08 talk of Rich Rodriguez not tailoring his offense to his players' strengths (as if the '08 team really had strengths), it could be seriously argued that Jim Tressel has done an atrocious job of handling Pryor. Donde estan the naked bootlegs? Options? Zone reads? QB sneaks on 3rd/4th and really short? While it's all well and good to want to be a pro-style QB, Pryor hasn't shown that he can handle that aspect of the game yet. It would seem to be beneficial to him to use him more as a spread QB now by utilizing his athleticism until he shows that he can throw accurately.

I guess passer rating really is as big of a garbage stat as I thought.

[HindSight]

It would certainly help the team right now. The playcalling isn't nearly as creative as it should be.

[Sniper]

It would certainly help the team right now. The playcalling isn't nearly as creative as it should be.

I would agree. I feel like for all the talk of using the tight end a lot more this year, Jake Ballard and Jake Stoneburner have criminally forgotten. 3 catches between the both of them? Stoneburner is a mismatch for any LB covering him.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Ohio should play Pryor as a situational passrusher, he knows what the quarterback is thinking...

When Pryor lined up at D-end in HS, he was absolutely unblockable!!

[Sniper]

When Pryor lined up at D-end in HS, he was absolutely unblockable!!

IIRC, he also had double-digit INTs as a safety his senior year.

[LonghornsLegend]

Michigan - Running Rich Rodriguez's system is not going to get him into the NFL as a QB. You can't argue against that.
Penn State - Michael Robinson says "hi" from the 3rd string FB spot

Obviously he had other offers, but he was down to 3 schools after looking at other factors. Don't act like there's only 1 thing a kid looks at when picking a school.

You say that like going to a pro style system was all of a sudden going to make him an NFL QB. At least that offense would of suited him alot better and been more creative in letting him use his talents.


I really don't see the Ohio St. offense forming him into an NFL QB, I rarely see him take many snaps under center and take his drop back and read the coverage with them anyway, seems like it's mostly Shotgun sets.

[Babylon]

It would certainly help the team right now. The playcalling isn't nearly as creative as it should be.

What is really hard to get a read on is whether the playcalling is dumbed down because he just cant handle it all. I dont think their receivers are at a Robiskie and Hartline level but even the latter was not happy with the touches he was getting after Pryor took over last year.

[HindSight]

You say that like going to a pro style system was all of a sudden going to make him an NFL QB. At least that offense would of suited him alot better and been more creative in letting him use his talents.


I really don't see the Ohio St. offense forming him into an NFL QB, I rarely see him take many snaps under center and take his drop back and read the coverage with them anyway, seems like it's mostly Shotgun sets.
No, I say it like running a gimmicky college offense will hurt his chances at becoming an NFL QB. Which it will. Especially with the way the few who have made it have panned out so far *cough*Vince Young*cough*.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Robert Griffin > Every QB in college football not name Tebow, McCoy or Bradford

Or Harris.

[Sniper]

Or Harris.

Or Forcier.

[LizardState]

Everybody kills ... everybody murders.....

I guess it was too many letters to put under his eyes, he wouldn't spell it right anyway. When I 1st saw this quoted I thought it was a jk, but it's real. Maybe he really is that stupid.

Some role models for the young, those Buckeyes...../sarcasm/ WTH kind of people is Sweatervest putting on the field every wk? I hope they lose every freaking game.

[CC.SD]

Or Forcier.

Or Barkley. When he's playing.

[HindSight]

Everybody kills ... everybody murders.....

I guess it was too many letters to put under his eyes, he wouldn't spell it right anyway. When I 1st saw this quoted I thought it was a jk, but it's real. Maybe he really is that stupid.

Some role models for the young, those Buckeyes...../sarcasm/ WTH kind of people is Sweatervest putting on the field every wk? I hope they lose every freaking game.
you hope they lose because they want to be like Mike Vick on the football field? that's a bit.....dumb.

[LizardState]

you hope they lose because they want to be like Mike Vick on the football field? that's a bit.....dumb.


Be like Miek Vick??? Uhh, what?

Not b/c he supports Vick, that's his right. But his comment about Everybody kills, everybody murders is beyond the borders of acceptable behavior, even in joking. Now that's dumb. That's why I bolded it, pls. read the whole post.

I havent made a practice on hating on Ohio St, but Pryor's comment makes it a lot easier.

[HindSight]

Ah...I read your last oddly worded sentence incorrectly.

yes....hate on the entire team of Ohio State (who are obviously all horrible role models) because Pryor said something stupid. that's a great reason.

he totally meant it that way, too. he really thinks everybody commits murder. honestly he does.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Everybody kills ... everybody murders.....

I guess it was too many letters to put under his eyes, he wouldn't spell it right anyway. When I 1st saw this quoted I thought it was a jk, but it's real. Maybe he really is that stupid.

Some role models for the young, those Buckeyes...../sarcasm/ WTH kind of people is Sweatervest putting on the field every wk? I hope they lose every freaking game.

Looks like JBond was onto something with those character concerns.

[redbills]

Man he blows today.

[P-L]

Man he blows today.
5/13 (38%), 87 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT

[Smooth Criminal]

Typical day for Pryor. Stats might have looked better if the defense and ST didnt score 3 times and we actually got the ball. But really, he hasn't progressed as he should have.

[GhostDeini]

Pyror is hot garbage. He has no future at the QB position in college or the NFL. Might as well put him at TE asap.

[raiderz4life]

I think Jefferson from LSU is trying to challenge Pryor

[bernbabybern820]

Or Forcier.

Or Clausen.

[JRTPlaya21]

Or Clausen.

Or Locker.

[Babylon]

Pryor reminds me more and more of Matt Jones (without the drugs hopefully).

[PENNSTATEHOMER]

The obvious choice to become an NFL QB is to become a system QB or a WR? That's just dumb.

The obvious choice to instantly take advantage of his skill set is to do those things. But if he wanted to learn how to become more of a drop back passer, why would he go to an option offense or become a WR?

It's not that Ohio State produces 15 QBs a year....it's that they DON'T hamper you. He made whatever decisions he made to eliminate all the schools that offered him except 3...Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State.

Michigan - Shaun King didn't run this offense, so that's a weak argument. Pat White will never be a QB in the NFL. If Troy Smith isn't going to make it.....Pat White will NEVER EVER make it.

Penn State - Ask their fans what their opinion is of Paterno's son as a QB guy. You've got Robinson who had to move to FB. You've got Morelli who was supposed to be a future NFLer. He's the kid who an NFL scout said was "acutely undercoached".

Ohio State - Process of elimination.

Do Buckeye fans still pretend to run pro sets, or a pro-style offense? Looks much more like a grab bag offense too me, with no rhyme or reason behind selecting the plays in said grab bag offense during games.

Your coaches will probably feel tempted to leave that HS offense in OH when you come play PSU.

-------

Jay Paterno likely blows as a QB coach...so be it. 5th string QB at State College HS, just as he was at PSU. PSU OC/RB coach Galen Hall is a former collegiate HC (Florida Gators), collegiate OC (under Switzer at OU and now at PSU), former RBs coach (Emmit Smith) and former NFL Europe HC. He is also a former PSU QB. PSU RC/WR coach Mike McQueary is a former PSU QB.

It isn't like Jay is the only one dealing with the PSU QBs...Pat Devlin (after having transferred) said he had a decent working relationship with Jay Paterno but it had been said a few times that he'd go to Galen Hall or Mike McQueary occasionally for a talk.

[HindSight]

They were all there when somebody said Morelli was acutely undercoached. Take your pick.

And we'll send the Columbus Brookhaven offense to Happy Valley. The D will still come away with a win.

[DoughBoy]

Or Locker.

Or Crompton.

[PENNSTATEHOMER]

They were all there when somebody said Morelli was acutely undercoached. Take your pick.

And we'll send the Columbus Brookhaven offense to Happy Valley. The D will still come away with a win.

Ever think that some players just don't have it mentally? Morelli was a legit detriment, and even so, he threw for over 5,000 yards & 34 TDs in two seasons as the starter and PSU won both bowl games (Tennessee/Texas A&M). I'm not a big advocate of Jay Paterno, but from everything I've heard on the man, he is quite good with the X's and O's aspect of football.

Problem is he was exceptionally arrogant when he came in, and of course his daddy is king.....clashed with some coaches who didn't like how he carried himself. Every job he had ever had in CFB was the result of Joe Paterno's recommendation(s)/connection(s) and he hadn't done sh!t.

I don't know if success has changed that at all....for whatever it is worth he has had fantastic relationships with MROB and Daryll Clark, not so much Morelli or Devlin. It was either Joe or Jay that was more then ready to throw Morelli under the bus in his 2nd year as starter, @ UM when he was being outclassed by the opposing TR FR QB, none other then Ryan Mallet.

[BeerBaron]

Morelli wasn't helped by the fact that he had a brick for a brain or the fact his nickname was Anthony "Deer in the headlights" Morelli around PA....it wasn't all on coaching. He would do some of the most ******** things sometimes...Grossman-esque...

[redbills]

7/14 84 2 Int 2 Fum
Lol

Almost threw a pick (dropped) next play they make the catch for the INT.

[Brent]

I am watching OSU/Purdue on Big Ten Network. Pryor seemingly can't throw well enough to win this game.

[JRTPlaya21]

Tyrod Taylor & Jason Campbell are better quarterbacks then you Pryor.

[HawkeyeFan]

He better step his game up real quick, or else this Iowa Defense is going to demoralize him big time.

[gstock05]

I think people who are writing Pryor off this early are being stupid.


He is a true sophomore. Most polished quarterbacks coming out of highschool can't step in and play well as a true sophomore. Pryor was FAR from a polished quarterback, and most people knew this.


At this time in his career, Troy Smith was a kick returner, and Vince young was working the bench as a redshirt freshman. Furthermore, when Vince DID start as a redshirt soph, he was just as bad as Terrelle has been this year.



He has been TERRIBLE at times this year, I make no doubt about that. But he does have all the tools to be a very good quarterback if he stops throwing off his back foot, starts making his check downs, and stops trying to make the big play.

[keylime_5]

what worries me isn't that he isn't that good right now - it's that he hasn't progressed quite as well as he should be progressing. Hopefully that changes or else the offense is gonna be hard to watch the next couple years.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Whew!!

Pryor looks awful. He just doesn't have a very good feel for the passing game at all, and he couldn't even pull out a win against a bad Purdue football team.
Is it even possible that Pryor is benched by Tressel next year??

[keylime_5]

Whew!!

Pryor looks awful. He just doesn't have a very good feel for the passing game at all, and he couldn't even pull out a win against a bad Purdue football team.
Is it even possible that Pryor is benched by Tressel next year??

no. pryor on a bad day at least can run it. we dont have anything else at QB.

[P-L]

Yeah, but Pryor is a very inconsistent runner.

My issue with Pryor is not that he's played very poorly this year. It's that he has regressed from his freshman to sophomore year. If he was slowly improving that would be one thing. He's not though. He's getting worse.

[keylime_5]

Still he makes big plays running the ball a lot. Better than Bauserman can do, and actually not really a worse passer than Bauserman from what we've seen. When Joe comes in the offense doesnt get any better. 100% agree about his regression. Seems like it all starts upstairs with him, including his poor mechanics.

[Smooth Criminal]

I'd love to join the "bench pryor" bandwagon on campus, but really Bauserman starting? Can anyone really think that would make any improvement.

Pryor should have gone to Michigan.

[gstock05]

I agree, the frightening thing with pryor, is he just hasn't seemed to make any steps in the learning process. It's like he just wants to go out there and play backyard football.

The sad part is, at times he looks great. He almost lead OSU to a comeback today PASSING the ball. HE finally decided to step into his throws and make quick decisions. To be fair, Tressel wasn't tieing him down with a terrible scheme, but either way, he'll show brief flashes, then look like he's never thrown a football in his life.

[Sniper]

He's already doubled the amount of picks that he threw last year.

[No_]

Bust city.

[GhostDeini]

I am loving that Pryor is absolute trash as a QB. He should've gone to Michigan to show off his running ability. He throws the football like it's a baseball. Seriously, why even bother leaving him at QB at this point ? He should move to TE and become the 2nd best TE prospect ever behind K2.

[Iamcanadian]

Yea this needs a thread I want to talk about how TP isn't a every good QB.

Yep, if we had a QB who could play we would have won. TP sucks, 3 times in the redzone, 1 TD. I said it right when we kicked the 2nd FG this will cost us. If TP had balls he would have made a play that got us a TD. No he sucks. That Trent Forcier (sp?) from Mich is 5 x the better option QB. It really makes me said when I said "Man I wish Todd Boeckman was at QB right now". Pryor sucks.

I think it is time to ask if Tressel is a good HC. He can no longer win the big games and like Cooper just gets by with his ability to recruit top players but few reach their potential playing for him. I really questiopn whether or not he has the ability to use an option attack and take advantage of Pryor's skills. It seems to me that each passing year teams have caught up with him and he just isn't a good enough HC to be a real winner.

[TitansCJftw]

my favorite thing to watch in college football is athletic qb's and as soon as i heard about pryor in high school i was very excited but at this point... i dont know blame coaching blame pryor blame whatever but he is just no good thats it, most exciting athletic qb right now=locker, another ive just come across bj daniels at usf... at least he is exciting unlike pryor right now, i still have high hopes for pryor but right now its... :-|

[LonghornsLegend]

Pryor should have gone to Michigan.

That was the logical choice, he would be in a scheme that fit his attributes perfectly, yet he wanted to go to OSU to help him develop into a better pro prospect at QB which he never was in the first place. This offense doesn't fit him at all, when he's forced to throw the ball it's going to be a fail soon after.


Anytime he's forced to be a traditional QB he looks uncomfortable, which is why he should of went somewhere that would of utilized him alot better and kept his limitations in mind.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

He could make millions at DE in the NFL if he is even tough enough to play in the trenches. He has zero future at QB after Ohio State.

[Malaka]

He could make millions at DE in the NFL if he is even tough enough to play in the trenches. He has zero future at QB after Ohio State.

He'd know exactly what the QB is thinking!

[DeepThreat]

Yeah, Pryor is a bust. Vince Young was a God at this point in his career.






Oh, wait...

[Sniper]

Yeah, Pryor is a bust. Vince Young was a God at this point in his career.
Oh, wait...

Good one. I'm sure no Buckeye/Pryor fans have come up with that one. :rolleyes: Vince Young didn't regress in his second season as a QB. He improved.

[srv fan]

Yeah. By the end of his second season Vince Young had already become the caliber of player that could, say, singe-handedly win you a NC. He absolutely murdered a good Michigan team in a bowl game, and so when he blew up his junior year I was not at all surprised. Vince steadily improved as he saw more playing time. Pryor looks worse the more he plays.

[Babylon]

He'd know exactly what the QB is thinking!

Why? he doesnt know what he's thinking. Thing is he's not an instinctive QB and that isnt getting any better any time soon. To me he's Matt Jones north. Can get things done at the college level but not an NFL QB. He'll get a chance at a differant position, probably WR or TE so i wouldnt worry about him going hungry but forget a pro QB.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

IIRC he was a really good DE in HS.

[keylime_5]

That was the logical choice, he would be in a scheme that fit his attributes perfectly, yet he wanted to go to OSU to help him develop into a better pro prospect at QB which he never was in the first place. This offense doesn't fit him at all, when he's forced to throw the ball it's going to be a fail soon after.


Anytime he's forced to be a traditional QB he looks uncomfortable, which is why he should of went somewhere that would of utilized him alot better and kept his limitations in mind.



This offense doesnt fit anyone, haha.

The only time we had a good offense this decade was in late 2005 and in 2006 when we had Troy Smith, Santonio Holmes, Anthony Gonzalez, and Teddy Ginn.

[Sniper]

This offense doesnt fit anyone, haha.

The only time we had a good offense this decade was in late 2005 and in 2006 when we had Troy Smith, Santonio Holmes, Anthony Gonzalez, and Teddy Ginn.

DeVier Posey is pretty awesome.

[Malaka]

Why? he doesnt know what he's thinking. Thing is he's not an instinctive QB and that isnt getting any better any time soon. To me he's Matt Jones north. Can get things done at the college level but not an NFL QB. He'll get a chance at a differant position, probably WR or TE so i wouldnt worry about him going hungry but forget a pro QB.

Lol it was a joke...

[keylime_5]

DeVier Posey is pretty awesome.

yea, if we had Troy Smith this year we'd be blowing people away. Our only real problem this year is Pryor.

[Sniper]

yea, if we had Troy Smith this year we'd be blowing people away. Our only real problem this year is Pryor.

Your offensive line remains a problem. 4.2 yards per carry for a team that relies on the run so much (261 rushes, 168 passes) is pretty crappy. The middle is fairly solid, but the constant movement at the tackle spots has hindered the unit's development. You don't have much of a WR threat across from Posey. Sanzenbacher is nice, but he's realistically a #3 guy. The famed "Block O" OL class has been below average so far.

[keylime_5]

meh, the OLIne has played well this season outside of the purdue game. The ypc are low b/c of the TFLs on pryor and the slow start to the season running the ball (against SC esp). Good enough OLine to have a high powered offense if the QB wasnt so lousy.

[P-L]

The Vince Young comparisons need to stop. Young struggled as a sophomore, he didn't flat out suck. Young improved every year, he didn't get worse from year one to year two. Terrelle Pryor wishes he was as good as Young was as a sophomore. It took Young until his junior year to develop as a passer but he was a DOMINANT runner since day one. Pryor is a good runner, but he isn't half the runner that Young was.

[HindSight]

The Vince Young comparisons need to stop. Young struggled as a sophomore, he didn't flat out suck. Young improved every year, he didn't get worse from year one to year two. Terrelle Pryor wishes he was as good as Young was as a sophomore. It took Young until his junior year to develop as a passer but he was a DOMINANT runner since day one. Pryor is a good runner, but he isn't half the runner that Young was.
And yet, you're giving him too much credit.

[ThePudge]

The best Wide Receiver on Ohio State's team plays Quarterback.

At 6'6 230, with his kind of athleticism, people are downright foolish to write Terrelle Pryor off as a player or NFL prospect. Before he was a 5 star recruit at Quarterback, he was a star prospect Wide Receiver as a Freshman/Sophomore at Jeannette. We saw Tressel play around with Pryor a bit in the Texas game, and it loosened him up. Now, that appears to be where he belongs. Use him as a complete utility player. Give him 12-15 touches a game in a variety of roles, running, receiving, even the occasional pass. He's big, he's very fast, and in space he can be dynamic with the ball in his hands. I don't question his hands, or how smooth an athlete he is. I think understanding how to run routes and play team-first football is easier than having the weight of the offense, and of the entire state of Ohio on him.

The only things stopping Pryor from regaining his status as an elite prospect, are his mind, and his coach. He's not a quarterback mentally, he never will be. Let's face it, Pryor just isn't a smart person or anything close to that. The responsibility of being a Big 10 and big-time quarterback is just too much for him. He can't digest a college playbook to that degree, he can't break down a defense, he can't audible, and he really doesn't understand the value of throwing the ball away. As a quarterback, Terrelle Pryor just doesn't have a clue. His coach, Jim Tressel, needs to man up and make a move. Don't bench Pryor, move him. For Ohio State to re-assert themselves as the dominant team in the Big Ten, Pryor has to be a big part of that offense. At the same time, that team's not going anywhere until you remove the predictability of Pryor at QB.

I thought Pryor could be Ohio State's answer to the SEC speed, to the spread offense. He is not and I think the Pryor QB experiment has run its course and just is the wrong move for the Ohio State program. If I have to watch 2 1/2 more years of Pryor at Quarterback, I can't root for Ohio State. Still, don't rule him out as a first round prospect.. just wait it out like me.

[Babylon]

^

You're talking two differant things i believe, what's good for the player and what's good for the team. I think Pryor gives them the best chance to win and unless they have someone good there backing him up he isnt going to be moved. For his pro career he should be moved immediately if not sooner.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I think if he played WR he could kill people.... murder people.

[P-L]

I think if he played WR he could kill people.... murder people.
Everybody does that...

[DeathbyStat]

Everybody does that...

hahahaa......i talk so much stuff about pryor but i bet he rolls into state college (a game I'll be at) and suddenly the light comes on and he smashes penn state

[ThePudge]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4582474

Good story.

[CC]

"From his first pass, [people said] he's really not that good. But I really feel that's kind of hard for a guy like that, you know what I mean? There's only one Tim Tebow in this world and I don't really know what people want from [Pryor]," Posey said. "He's going to get better. He really can't do much worse."

Smooth DeVier, way to throw him under the bus.

[danzing1488]

This guy is the most overrated and overhyped prospect to enter the college ranks in years, this guy was hyped as a more athletic Tim Tebow (what a joke, 4.3 speed my ass) and so far has sucked royally, Tressel wont have the balls to bench him, so he will get at least another year as a starter, so we will have to hear all the excuse making from the media, such as "he needs time to develop" or he needs "more help around him" bla bla bla. The truth of the matter is, he is a moron, who does not have the intelligence to be a quarterback. They should red shirt him, and make him play tight end for his final 2 years of eligbility, but I dont see that happening, because, as we all know, he is sooooooooo athletic and his upside is sooooooooooooooooooooo high. lol what a joke, he just plain sucks, but hey, everybody murders people right (the moron actually said this in an interview in reference to Mike Vick, another rocket scientist)

[gstock05]

This guy is the most overrated and overhyped prospect to enter the college ranks in years, this guy was hyped as a more athletic Tim Tebow (what a joke, 4.3 speed my ass) and so far has sucked royally, Tressel wont have the balls to bench him, so he will get at least another year as a starter, so we will have to hear all the excuse making from the media, such as "he needs time to develop" or he needs "more help around him" bla bla bla. The truth of the matter is, he is a moron, who does not have the intelligence to be a quarterback. They should red shirt him, and make him play tight end for his final 2 years of eligbility, but I dont see that happening, because, as we all know, he is sooooooooo athletic and his upside is sooooooooooooooooooooo high. lol what a joke, he just plain sucks, but hey, everybody murders people right (the moron actually said this in an interview in reference to Mike Vick, another rocket scientist)

Posts like these make you look really stupid.


Who in this forum honestly thought Pryor was going to step right in and be awesome? I sure didn't. Pryor was rated so high, because his ceiling is higher than any quarterback we've possibly ever seen. His problem however, is that he's incredibly raw and has had no real coaching up until college.

Lets wait at least until he's a Junior before we start assigning labels like these. Remember, at this time last year, Jake Locker was no good either, and at the same point in his career, Troy Smith was a kickoff returner.


Knee Jerk reactions = not the way to determine an opinion.

[danzing1488]

Posts like these make you look really stupid.


Who in this forum honestly thought Pryor was going to step right in and be awesome? I sure didn't. Pryor was rated so high, because his ceiling is higher than any quarterback we've possibly ever seen. His problem however, is that he's incredibly raw and has had no real coaching up until college.

Lets wait at least until he's a Junior before we start assigning labels like these. Remember, at this time last year, Jake Locker was no good either, and at the same point in his career, Troy Smith was a kickoff returner.


Knee Jerk reactions = not the way to determine an opinion.

I think u just might win the dumbest post ever award. Pryor's ceiling is high only if you are a midget, he sucks. Hehas no talent to play quarterback, does not have the skill set needed, end of story. His upside is dick, nothing, nada, forget about it. He sucks, not because he does not try hard, is distracted, etc, but because he has no QB skills, end of story.

[DoughBoy]

Streak Broken!11!!!

[Sniper]

Posts like these make you look really stupid.


Who in this forum honestly thought Pryor was going to step right in and be awesome? I sure didn't.

Ohio State poster Race For The Heisman said "Pryor should be Heisman-caliber this year". Slight fail.

[Babylon]

Posts like these make you look really stupid.


Who in this forum honestly thought Pryor was going to step right in and be awesome? I sure didn't. Pryor was rated so high, because his ceiling is higher than any quarterback we've possibly ever seen. His problem however, is that he's incredibly raw and has had no real coaching up until college.

Lets wait at least until he's a Junior before we start assigning labels like these. Remember, at this time last year, Jake Locker was no good either, and at the same point in his career, Troy Smith was a kickoff returner.


Knee Jerk reactions = not the way to determine an opinion.

You are talking as a college QB running the football i assume.

[jayhawkfan96]

I'm not sure Pryor can handle the pressure of being the Ohio St. quarterback. There is no question he is a freak of an athlete. That being said, I'm not sure he is mentally and emotionally strong enough. He makes too many mistakes in big games. Let's look at Troy Smith for comparison. He wasn't quite the athlete that Pryor is. But the bigger the game, the bigger he played. And you can't blame Smith for Florida. He was running for his life the whole game.

I also don't see him making it in the NFL at QB. His mechanics are the worst I've ever seen in a D1 quarterback. His footwork is horrible. His release point is so low he might as well be 6'1" instead of 6'6". Of the two I would say Robert Griffith III at Baylor is much better prepared to be an NFL QB than Pryor.

[awfullyquiet]

Ohio State poster Race For The Heisman said "Pryor should be Heisman-caliber this year". Slight fail.

Slight?

I mean, i know the heisman is for the best player in NCAA D1 football...

but, this guy?

i could probably name... 600 players that are legitimately better than pryor.

[Sniper]

Slight?

I mean, i know the heisman is for the best player in NCAA D1 football...

but, this guy?

i could probably name... 600 players that are legitimately better than pryor.

I was underplaying the amount of fail.

[awfullyquiet]

I was underplaying the amount of fail.

you know how some of THESE people are... they don't understand 'slight'. especially when it comes to: VT, Miami, ND, or Ohio State.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Pryor really should have been recruited more as an athlete than QB. The fact is that he just isn't born to play QB. He doesn't have the mind or mechanics to be a successful QB. Physical ability can only take you so far at a position like QB. I agree that if he were in a different scheme he could be a very good college QB but I still don't think he'll ever be an NFL QB. His passing mechanics make Vince Young look like Peyton Manning. Still though his athletic gifts will keep him as a very threatening college QB to both the opposition and his own team.

[andyjo672]

I think u just might win the dumbest post ever award. Pryor's ceiling is high only if you are a midget, he sucks. Hehas no talent to play quarterback, does not have the skill set needed, end of story. His upside is dick, nothing, nada, forget about it. He sucks, not because he does not try hard, is distracted, etc, but because he has no QB skills, end of story.


Nice argument. Can you please try, next time, making a point based around some sort of logic rather than just spewing a bunch of unreadable garbage that doesn't really mean anything?

On the Pryor note, I say give him more time. VY wasn't considered great, or even that good, until the Michigan Rose Bowl game where he went off. I'd give it some time, and I'd also say this is one of the weaker overall OSU teams we've seen.

Disclaimer: Not an OSU or Pryor fan at all.

[keylime_5]

Eh, overall the only thing bad about the team this year is the offense. Perhaps the worst OSU offense we've ever had in the modern era.

[Race for the Heisman]

I'm not going to defend myself, because really there's no way to do that. I thought Pryor would be better, but despite the improvement in his rushing and his mechanics, he's regressed (or maybe we're just seeing the real Pryor given a larger sample size) mentally. So yeah, I was wrong. I don't think the play-calling has done him any favors, but it was impossible to determine that Pryor would be this much worse given the apparent progress he made during the off-season.

[gstock05]

Wow. the stupidity in this thread has reached critical mass. LOL.


Pryor has really high upside because he's..;.

A. 6'6
B. Really fast
C. Has a very strong arm.


The rest of the stuff, who knows. It's all potential. Quick release and mechanics can be taught (for the most part), and if you watched the game today, you would have been able to see that he does have the potential to improve.

If this thread were posted about Vince Young as a true sophomore, it would be exactly the same, and where was Vince drafted? Where did vince end up as a COLLEGE quarterback? Argument is over. Pryor has a ton of potential, and always will. Whether he realizes that, is yet to be seen.

[Halsey]

The fact that Pryor is facing adversity this year is a good thing. It hurt Vince Young that he had the entire state of Texas hanging from his sack, telling him he could do no wrong. Eating some humble pie will hopefully motivate Pryor to work hard and learn to to be a great QB, not just a great athlete playing QB. Great QB's master the offense and make the players around them better. The problem with too many 'athletic QB's' is that they rely too much on their own ability and don't learn to rely on the players around them.

[MetSox17]

The fact that Pryor is facing adversity this year is a good thing. It hurt Vince Young that he had the entire state of Texas hanging from his sack, telling him he could do no wrong. Eating some humble pie will hopefully motivate Pryor to work hard and learn to to be a great QB, not just a great athlete playing QB. Great QB's master the offense and make the players around them better. The problem with too many 'athletic QB's' is that they rely too much on their own ability and don't learn to rely on the players around them.

Err, that's because he single handedly won two Rose Bowls, including a National Championship. His nuts hung to the floor for a reason.

[Halsey]

Err, that's because he single handedly won two Rose Bowls, including a National Championship. His nuts hung to the floor for a reason.

Like I said. It wasn't Young who stopped USC on 4th down, intercepted Leinart in the end zone, caught his own passes, blocked for himself, etc. Football is never about one player. Young believed the hype that it was.

[MetSox17]

Like I said. It wasn't Young who stopped USC on 4th down, intercepted Leinart in the end zone, caught his own passes, blocked for himself, etc. Football is never about one player. Young believed the hype that it was.

....because it was.

Without him Texas gets no where near Pasadena two consecutive years. Young is the greatest player to ever play at Texas because of the achievements he has (If Colt wins a NC this year, he gives him a run for that title). His second year as a starter, he won a Rose Bowl.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Like I said. It wasn't Young who stopped USC on 4th down, intercepted Leinart in the end zone, caught his own passes, blocked for himself, etc. Football is never about one player. Young believed the hype that it was.

He had like 200 yards rushing and passing in that game, including the GW TD. Young won that game.

[Halsey]

I'm not gonna debate if football is about 1 player. If you think it is then you don't understand football. You understand hype and worship star players. Nobody denies that Young was the MVP, but that doesn't make it about 1 player. The fact that he bought into his hype is a big reason he is a complete failure in the NFL.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

I'm not gonna debate if football is about 1 player. If you think it is then you don't understand football. You understand hype and worship star players. Nobody denies that Young was the MVP, but that doesn't make it about 1 player. The fact that he bought into his hype is a big reason he is a complete failure in the NFL.

I know football is a team sport, but c'mon, he completely took over that game.

[T.Smith]

Anyone who has listended to Pryors interviews in recent weeks knows the Purdue game helped him so much. Things are starting to click for him. He's becoming a man and a leader. He knows what he is right now, he knows he is below average in passing right now, he knows all of the work it takes.
He has held team meeting and accepted responsibility.
All of the coaches and the players say that he IS the hardest working player on the team, First one in, last one out, and never has the "I don't want to practice" attitude.

Pryor should have been Redshirted last year, and for that I like to think of him as a Redshirt freshmen in terms of development. But really did people expect someone that was as raw as pryor was coming out of high school to be a heisman candidate as a sophomore? What he is right now is what you should have expected.

I remember at the AAA Game the QB coach said that Pryor had to be the most gifted player to step on the feild, but his mechanics were so bad that he couldn't even do a simple 3 step drop right, his mechanics were terrible.

So They have to coach Pryor everything from start to finish, so time is what is going to tell, but if there is anyone to in the end turn potential into production, I think it's Pryor because of his work ethic.

Give it time fellas, there is a lot of learning this young man has to do, and at this time I think he has learned a lot, it's just not all cohesive and consistent yet. He has only had 1 off season to work on everything.

He still should be a red shirt Freshmen right now in my opinion.

[HindSight]

Eh....outside of the stupid comments after the eye black thing, he's always said the right things. and yet he's still played poorly for a majority of the season.

hopefully I see more Minny and less Purdue from him. the most promising thing I saw was a willingness to take off down field, and when he did that he didn't just try to go outside.

[ElectricEye]

I'm not gonna debate if football is about 1 player. If you think it is then you don't understand football. You understand hype and worship star players. Nobody denies that Young was the MVP, but that doesn't make it about 1 player. The fact that he bought into his hype is a big reason he is a complete failure in the NFL.

He won that game. Anyone with eyes could see that. Football is a team sport and his team did him right the entire way, but he beat USC. A team loaded with NFL talent and coached better than anyone in the NCAA had no answer for him. That's pretty god damned impressive. He sucks in the NFL, but he was the god damned man in college, maybe even more than Tebow.

[Smooth Criminal]

Pryor has had a few good weeks since his pathetic game at Purdue.I'm really interested to see how he does against Penn State, Iowa, and Michigan over the next three weeks.

[P-L]

Well Michigan just got **** on by Juice Williams, so if Pryor doesn't put up ridiculous numbers against us then he really isn't a very good quarterback.

[gstock05]

I said it early in the year, I said it half way through the year, and I said it now.

Pryor is too young to judge as far as his quarterbacking skill goes.



Football fans are the quickest to jump to conclusions amongst any sports fans in the world. Some times things take time and maturity. Pryor needed both, he seems to be finally starting to "get" it. He's still got a long way to go, but he's shown signs of progress, and has recently become an offensive asset, and not liability. We'll see how it goes when we face PSU and Iowa.

[Sniper]

Pryor has had a few good weeks since his pathetic game at Purdue.

Against such luminaries as Minnesota and New Mexico State.

[HindSight]

He didn't play all that well against NMS either. I saw a step in the right direction against Minny......but I saw Purdue Pryor in the opening series' against NMS. He better step it up this weekend.

[Sniper]

9-17, 67 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. Ladies and gentlemen, your pre-season Big 10 OPOY!

[Hurricanes25]

9-17, 67 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. Ladies and gentlemen, your pre-season Big 10 OPOY!

Pryor is a ******* champion. ;) It's not like Michigan has a good defense. He better prepare to play another position at the next level.

[Cigaro]

Pryor blows blows blows blows blows blows blows blows blows blows blows blows blows. Should've went with basketball.

[Babylon]

Pryor is a ******* champion. ;) It's not like Michigan has a good defense. He better prepare to play another position at the next level.

I've said all along he's the black Matt Jones.

[Hurricanes25]

I've said all along he's the black Matt Jones.

And I think you are right.

[iowatreat54]

I've said all along he's the black Matt Jones.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/jacestar911/thats_racist.gif


Seriously though, he is a great athlete, but an awful QB. That's not to say he can't get better, and without him I have confidence we would have beat OSU, but right now he looks terrible and really hasn't shown any improvement.

[redbills]

The guy blows, his pick was B-A-D. Just looked at Posey the whole time.
Forcier looked like crap too today.

[Philliez01]

I've said all along he's the black Matt Jones.

Matt Jones was pretty hood though. Just sayin'.

[Babylon]

Matt Jones was pretty hood though. Just sayin'.

Is that a play on words or a typo?

[Philliez01]

Is that a play on words or a typo?

Hood (n, adj.)-Urban settlement or one whose actions could warrant living in such settlements.

[Babylon]

Hood (n, adj.)-Urban settlement or one whose actions could warrant living in such settlements.

You trying to say Pryor needs more street cred to be viewed as the next Matt Jones?:)

[descendency]

Pryor = the next great WR if Jim Tressel gets his head out of the sand (or his posterior). 6'6", 230 lbs, with elite speed. Just needs to develop his route running and hands.

[Philliez01]

You trying to say Pryor needs more street cred to be viewed as the next Matt Jones?:)

Right-in-one!

(Obviously, please take it lighthearted)

I like Pryor, he is an amazingly ridiculous athlete. Just doesn't seem to be a productive QB, though I am willing to give him every shot at the collegiate level to prove me otherwise. Part of me feels that OSU should've kept Boeckman or whomever was there at the QB slot for Pryor's frosh year and OSU could've used a "Tebow" approach to Pryor or a redshirt.

Then again, I'm not tooooooo familiar with how Ohio State operates.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Pryor = the next great WR if Jim Tressel gets his head out of the sand (or his posterior). 6'6", 230 lbs, with elite speed. Just needs to develop his route running and hands.

Pryor has led us to two straight Big Ten Titles. He isn't changing positions in college. We are going to continue developing him as much as possible, and winning with our running game and defense. We don't have a QB behind him who we would feel comfortable starting anyway.

[Sniper]

Pryor has led us to two straight Big Ten Titles. He isn't changing positions in college. We are going to continue developing him as much as possible, and winning with our running game and defense. We don't have a QB behind him who we would feel comfortable starting anyway.

Pryor hasn't led you to ****. Great defenses and a good running game have led you to two straight Big 10 titles. Pryor's hindered the team.

[iowatreat54]

Pryor hasn't led you to ****. Great defenses and a good running game have led you to two straight Big 10 titles. Pryor's hindered the team.

Seconded.

If OSU had any type of passing attack, they easily could have gone undefeated this year. Pryor may have been the QB of the last 2 Big XI champs, but please spare us with the, "He led us" crap. OSU's defense led them to 2 Big XI championships.

[descendency]

Pryor has led us to two straight Big Ten Titles. He isn't changing positions in college. We are going to continue developing him as much as possible, and winning with our running game and defense. We don't have a QB behind him who we would feel comfortable starting anyway.

With all due respect, Pryor is an awful QB. I think he has shown some development at QB, but he still throws off the balls of his feet among many other terrible qualities. I think Jim Tressel has the recruiting ability to get another QB (granted, I don't think a true freshman would be the answer, I think you need a transfer). I don't think Terrelle Pryor is the reason why OSU are twice big 10 champions. (I think that's more a testament to the conference overall being down. Good defense can dominate that conference right now. No offense whatsoever to speak of. I don't want to turn this into a bash the Big 10 thread... I'm sure there are plenty of them)

[Shane P. Hallam]

With all due respect, Pryor is an awful QB. I think he has shown some development at QB, but he still throws off the balls of his feet among many other terrible qualities. I think Jim Tressel has the recruiting ability to get another QB (granted, I don't think a true freshman would be the answer, I think you need a transfer). I don't think Terrelle Pryor is the reason why OSU are twice big 10 champions. (I think that's more a testament to the conference overall being down. Good defense can dominate that conference right now. No offense whatsoever to speak of. I don't want to turn this into a bash the Big 10 thread... I'm sure there are plenty of them)

Just as with the NFL, if you have success, you don't change the horse midstream. Any transfer would have to sit a year, and Bauserman isn't ready. Pryor will stay at QB, we likely will give more zone looks, etc. He's sticking there. Down or not, it is worth waiting him out another year or two and seeing what happens.

[MiWolves]

If Bauserman is a RSoph and Pryor is a Soph the only reason Bauserman isnt ready is because he never got the chance to start at all. The job was given to Pryor because of his status as the number 1 recruit.

[gstock05]

bauserman is as bad a passer as pryor is. That's why pryor is starting. Besides, since Purdue, pryor has played well. He may not have lit up the scoreboard passing, but he had very minimal turnovers, and racked up a lot of total yards if you include rushing into the equation. He doesn't have to pass the ball all over the field for us to put a good drive together. If he can make a few 5-10 yard passes consistently, we have enough of a rushing game where we can gain the rest of our yardage on the ground.

[Race for the Heisman]

Pryor is like Steve McNair of the 2006 incarnation. He's not the running threat his reputation implies (although I concede he has been better in recent weeks), and he doesn't have the balls to go downfield or over the middle (or at the very least can't or won't). When you checkdown to a running back whose five yards behind the line of scrimmage on third and seven, you better be about to take a sack or he better have acres of space. Pryor takes one look down field and checks down more often than not. If you're going to do that, might as well be organized about it and do a quick bubble screen.

If Pryor would throw over middle and hit simple slants and curls, he could be an efficient quarterback. If he can't (which includes Tressel not letting him because he [Tressel] knows Pryor can't) because he lacks the accuracy, or his decision making sucks (this is probably it), or some other reason akin to that, than yes, he's just a bad quarterback. If he's not doing that because Tressel is unjustifiably holding him back, than the issue lies with coaching stuff, rather than Pryor.

I don't know which it is. I've seen Pryor pass competently in the short game and over the middle. I've also seen him struggle on the same things. I know Tressel is conservative as hell. At this point, the only thing you really can say is that the fact that Pryor is viewed as a 'quarterback' gets more respect from defenses (in terms of the passing game) than running a pure Wildcat with Saine or Herron taking the direct snap would. I'm not saying the Wildcat wouldn't be superior, however.

I thought I was going someplace further than that with this, but I've gotten sidetracked and now I'm not sure, so I guess that's all.

[Sniper]

Pryor is like Steve McNair of the 2006 incarnation. He's not the running threat his reputation implies (although I concede he has been better in recent weeks), and he doesn't have the balls to go downfield or over the middle (or at the very least can't or won't).

He doesn't do it because he's not good at it. DeVier Posey got open deep against UM's secondary at least twice and both times, a decent throw would have put six points on the board.

I keep hearing all of this talk about Pryor being so much improved as a QB since the Purdue game. He's not. He's 55/99 and in four of five games since Purdue, he's failed to throw for over 135 yards, including back-to-back games of 93 yards or worse. That's not good. That's not even almost good. That's putrid. Great, he completed 82.4% of his passes against Iowa...at a whopping 5.47 yards per attempt. He's not even remotely close to the running threat he's made out to be.