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BlindSite
09-13-2009, 11:12 PM
Last year I did these every week and they seemed relatively popular and got some really good discussions at various times, so I thought I'd continue them this year.

Foreword:
Though I endeavor to include all top performances and as many great plays and players each and every week, time and space means that there will be a few I miss. This is no reflection on the team or me as a fan or writer, in some cases its just unlucky they're not included. Enjoy.

First and Final Weeks are always crazy
Without doubt the two most difficult weeks to predict in the NFL are the first and the last games of the season. There's rookies, veterans, coaches and come from no where players who manage to surprise us all. The biggest props this week (so far) have to go to the 49ers. Against Arizona and playing on the road the 49ers showed true grit and power of will against the Cardinals who have seemingly dropped off from their stellar playoff performances and part of that has to be because of the departure of Todd Haley. The 49ers played some great defense dropping numbers back into coverage and Warner really began to struggle under pressure. He might have only thrown two interceptions but his passing was far from accurate and Tim Hightower's high receiving numbers is more testament to the lock down on the receivers by San Francisco than Hightower's brilliance as a receiver.

Denver win off a tipped ball, Jake Delhomme puts his turnovers behind him, for exactly 12 minutes, Favre gets all the credit for a great team effort by Minnesota and the Kansas City Chiefs already look markedly improved from a year ago.

Breakout Performer
Last year on more than once occasion I singled out John Carlson as being the next tight end to watch in the NFL. As a rookie he managed 600+ yards and 5 TDs largely without a top flight quarterback throwing him the ball. Against St Louis he had just under one hundred yards and appears more comfortable in the seattle offense now that hes in his second year. Hasselbeck loves Carlson as a target and it showed as Carlson came away with 2 touchdowns one for over thirty yards. Carlson isn't a flashy pass catcher and won't wow anyone with his measurables, but he's got safe hands, find the safe hole in coverage and shows some real willingness as a blocker.

Coaching Comments
Spagnuolo has a massive task ahead of him if the Rams are going to be cometitive any time soon. The Rams were marred with inconsistency marked by small but stupid mistakes, twelve men on a return, and a huge failure to capitalise on three turnovers in the first half alone is a big deficency. Their ability to generate those turnovers at least shows their defense is finally on the right track.

Todd Haley now out of Ken Whisenhunt's shadow coaching Kansas City has to be happy with his team's performance just a few weeks after firing Chan Gailey his offense coordinator. Against the Baltimore Ravens, one of the NFL's most respected, feared and talented defense a team missing it's starting quarterback manged to put up 24 points. Haley has a great front office feeding him talent and it looks like an offense line that can stand in there with the best defenses in the trenches and be competitive. Haley has this team ready to play and it looks like, for now at least, the Chiefs on their way back to competitive football.

NFC South Watch
Michael Clayton Byron Leftwich and Carnell Williams, all seem to be trying to salvage their careers playing for a rebuilding Tampa Bay. Playing against a very talented Dallas Cowboys the Tampa Bay Buccaneers were far from walked over. The Cowboys scored the majority of their points on explosive, broken or deep plays. Though he threw three touchdowns all three went for over forty yards and until his 80 yarder to Crayton the Buccaneers were only six points behind the Dallas Cowboys. When asked to almost carry the offense Leftwich responded with a 60% completion percentage throwing over forty passes. He linked up with a player who after his rookie season was thought of as a bust and special teamer and a broken down Cadillac looking to comeback to offensive prominance. Tampa Bay weren't expected to be this good with their slipshod rag tag unit, but it looks like they just might be more competitive than first thought.

What can be said about Carolina that wasn't said in the divisional playoffs last year. They're a great unit, the defense, running game, receivers, no complaints, but QB... Watching the Green Bay and Chicago game it's difficult not to be Jealous of teams with an actual future at the position. The game started well enough, in fact for most of the first quarter the Carolina defense held strong, the running game was clicking and Carolina, on the back of a long, methodical drive held the lead and looked like keeping it. Fast forward about six minutes in the second quarter and Delhomme had committed three turnovers and Carolina was down by seven. Soon the box the was stacked the backs were stuffed and Delhomme simply couldn't stop the hemmoraging. Time was it was expected that Delhomme would occasionally sling an interception that would make everyon shake their head, but these interceptions would be coupled with impressive plays and gutsy drives. Once benched, McCown came in to get hurt and Matt Moore in limited action showed that he really isn't Carolina's future at Quarterback. It's only week one and it's no necessarily time for the franchise to panic, but this is not the first time and I doubt it will be the last that Delhomme costs Carolina a win through poor play.

New Orleans managed some massive offensive numbers against the Detroit Lions. Fourth year nobody Mike Bell managed to bash his way to the tune of 140+ yards and Drew Brees seems to be staking his claim for MVP early throwing a massive 6 touchdown passes. Jeramy Shockey finally showed his worth catching two touchdowns and the young receivers in New Orleans are starting to play a better brand of football. Worryingly though, despite the Detroit Lions throwing three interceptions and running for the grand total of 34 yards, the Saints still surrendered 27 points. The defense has to be better, it's not every week Drew Brees will throw for six touchdowns and it's not every week they'll face a team that's lost seventeen (now eighteen) regular season games in a row.

After some early jitters Matt Ryan settled into a decent rythmn agains the Miami Dolphins his seemingly effortless repour with Tony Gonzalez and the further maturation of what is turning into a solid offensive line paints a bright picture for the Falcons faithful. The defense deserves a lot of credit in this one holding off a potentially lethal Jay Cutler to under two hundred yards and forcing four sacks, an interception and three fumbles. Devon Bess, Tedd Ginn, Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown, all were stifled by the Falcons defense showing that last year wasn't a fluke or a result of having any kind of easy schedule. Atlanta just might have shown this week that they're the most complete team in the division.


Homer Corner
It's terrifying to think that not only cold the Panthers be 0-3 heading into the BYE, if Delhomme realy is as bad as his last two games and the Panthers have a losing season, in what looks to be a decent QB class coming out, the Panthers will have at best a second round pick. Having a -6 turnover ratio at the end of the first week is pretty painful.


Other Stuff
Green Bay's new defense looks amazing, Cutler looked terrified and rattled early out there, picked so many times I thought it was Delhomme out there Chicago's offense, supposedly improved from last year looked positively shell shocked by the swarming 34.

On the good side for Chicago at least their receiver unit, though young looks promising. Knox has one of the few things impossible to teach and Hester, although he's been used before as a receiver, is starting to move more smoothly in and out of his routes and breaks. Chicago needs to find more ways to get Greg Olsen involved though.

Monday Night Place Holder

diabsoule
09-13-2009, 11:15 PM
A lot of it was New Orleans horrid ST play that led to Detroit's score. They did have a fumble return for a TD and a blocked FG plus that was one of the worse officiated games I had ever seen.

vidae
09-13-2009, 11:16 PM
I agree with what you said about KC. We played hard and were in it a long time. The game was a lot closer than the score would indicate, nohomer.

I'm pretty happy with how the Chiefs played without our starting QB and our #1 corner in the game. They picked on Leggett early and he seemed to calm down and played rather well, but he's no Brandon Flowers.

brat316
09-13-2009, 11:21 PM
Its not all Cutlers fault the WR have to take some blame as well beings so inexperienced.

brat316
09-13-2009, 11:22 PM
whats happening to the Panthers 1st round pick?

BlindSite
09-13-2009, 11:31 PM
whats happening to the Panthers 1st round pick?

Traded it to San Francisco so we could draft Everette Brown.

I agree the WRs deserve some of the blame for Cutler's picks, but when you throw more than 4 INTs it's a little hard to chalk it up to inexperience. Delhomme had two passes picked off more on great defensive plays than terrible throws, but he still loosed them all, and if you throw the pass, you're getting the blame.

Stranger
09-13-2009, 11:55 PM
On the cards I would like to think that some of it was because Breaston was out and Boldin was severely limited (missed practise all week and only playing because Doucet was also out) but Haley is definitely going to be missed.

I am more worried about the continued inability of the defense to get a stop when the game is on the line, especially on third and long. It looks like it is going to be another frustrating season.

Thecollegedropout
09-14-2009, 12:02 AM
Was hoping Ryan could have gotten some love in the coach's discussion oh well....

And yeah John Carlson needs to get more respect. The ND duo was killing STL today in Carlson and J. Jones. Carlson is a damn good blocker but he has evolved into being a solid receiving threat(Which he really wasn't in ND...large part because the 2007 ND team sucked at O-Line that he had to stay back and help).

DoughBoy
09-14-2009, 12:07 AM
Carlson won my fantasy leauge for me today. I am forever a John Carlson fan and I wish him to make my babies.

MetSox17
09-14-2009, 12:15 AM
The WR position looks promising for Chicago? Where's the promise? They look horrible. Hester will never be a good WR in the NFL. There's a million guys out there that can run fast. Knox doesn't impress me at all.

Cutler played pretty terrible, but i think it was more of a crappy offensive line and crappy WR corps.

BlindSite
09-14-2009, 12:16 AM
Was hoping Ryan could have gotten some love in the coach's discussion oh well....

And yeah John Carlson needs to get more respect. The ND duo was killing STL today in Carlson and J. Jones. Carlson is a damn good blocker but he has evolved into being a solid receiving threat(Which he really wasn't in ND...large part because the 2007 ND team sucked at O-Line that he had to stay back and help).

I thought about going with Ryan, just hard to fit everyone in. I was really impressed with Sanchez.

Rosebud
09-14-2009, 12:43 AM
The WR position looks promising for Chicago? Where's the promise? They look horrible. Hester will never be a good WR in the NFL. There's a million guys out there that can run fast. Knox doesn't impress me at all.

Cutler played pretty terrible, but i think it was more of a crappy offensive line and crappy WR corps.

While they made mistakes the bears receivers were getting open against a good green bay secondary. As they hammer out their route-running mistakes and improve their chemistry with Cutler I could see them becoming decent.

jth1331
09-14-2009, 12:44 AM
What do you mean the Chiefs look vastly improved?
Giving up 501 yards to Baltimore, gaining 188 yards on offense?
From what I gather, KC was lucky to even be in the game that late. They should be thankful for that long INT run back by Johnson and that blocked punt that essentially gave them 14 of their 24 points.

BlindSite
09-14-2009, 01:00 AM
What do you mean the Chiefs look vastly improved?
Giving up 501 yards to Baltimore, gaining 188 yards on offense?
From what I gather, KC was lucky to even be in the game that late. They should be thankful for that long INT run back by Johnson and that blocked punt that essentially gave them 14 of their 24 points.

I don't care if a team has 50 yards if they're 20 points up and nor should anyone else. Scrappy teams win games and the KC Chiefs played hard all the way through the game despite missing some very talented players. I'm not saying they're superbowl bound but a year ago they were pretty much penciled in to lose just about any game they took the field for.

If it takes the Ravens till the 4th quarter to put the chiefs away they're vastly improved. I actually watched the entire second half of this one after carolina started tanking, I wasn't switching through like the second games.

They're far better than last year already

wogitalia
09-14-2009, 01:09 AM
Bears receivers looked alight to me also, Green Bay has one of the best secondaries in the league.

Cutler on the other hand... 3 of those picks were awful, there weren't even receivers near them, just a guy who wont eat a sack or throw it away forcing a ball out and getting what a reasonable person would expect. Cutler basically did exactly what I worry Favre will do this season, he threw away a game with bonehead decisions and the NFC North is so even right now that he may have already thrown away their chances of winning it, massive and costly loss. He also made some absolutely beautiful throws, but no one doubts his ability to throw it, it's his brain and unwillingness to not score on every play that kills him.

wogitalia
09-14-2009, 01:11 AM
If it takes the Ravens till the 4th quarter to put the chiefs away they're vastly improved. I actually watched the entire second half of this one after carolina started tanking, I wasn't switching through like the second games.

They're far better than last year already

Chiefs were pretty scrappy last year also, had a lot of close games that they just didn't win. I think thats the thing you can count on them for.

MetSox17
09-14-2009, 01:44 AM
While they made mistakes the bears receivers were getting open against a good green bay secondary. As they hammer out their route-running mistakes and improve their chemistry with Cutler I could see them becoming decent.

I've always thought the Green Bay secondary was vastly overrated, so them running wild on them doesn't impress me much.

I still think they're all garbage, and none of them will amount to anything. If they want Cutler to succeed in Chicago, they need to find him someone that can play the WR position. Oh, and actually use their most physically gifted player on offense (Olsen).

Flyboy
09-14-2009, 01:52 AM
A lot of it was New Orleans horrid ST play that led to Detroit's score. They did have a fumble return for a TD and a blocked FG plus that was one of the worse officiated games I had ever seen.

Exactly. People see the 27 next to Detroit and automatically assumed that our defense gave those points up without really watching the game.

Basileus777
09-14-2009, 02:26 AM
What do you mean the Chiefs look vastly improved?
Giving up 501 yards to Baltimore, gaining 188 yards on offense?
From what I gather, KC was lucky to even be in the game that late. They should be thankful for that long INT run back by Johnson and that blocked punt that essentially gave them 14 of their 24 points.

I don't think the Chiefs looked particularly good, but interceptions and special teams are part of the game. In fact, turnovers and special teams have a significant impact on every game, so you can't just dismiss those plays.

Gay Ork Wang
09-14-2009, 04:42 AM
I've always thought the Green Bay secondary was vastly overrated, so them running wild on them doesn't impress me much.

I still think they're all garbage, and none of them will amount to anything. If they want Cutler to succeed in Chicago, they need to find him someone that can play the WR position. Oh, and actually use their most physically gifted player on offense (Olsen).
ah cool, after 1 game you could already tell that a rookie wont amount to anything, you should be come a scout...

and also Olsen was double and triple covered all game. they tried to use him but it wasnt like they didnt want to

BlindSite
09-14-2009, 05:54 AM
Exactly. People see the 27 next to Detroit and automatically assumed that our defense gave those points up without really watching the game.

As has been mentioned, it doesn't matter where points come from, it matters that they're there. Detriot shouldn't have been able to come anywhere near 27 points regardless of how they did it.

comahan
09-14-2009, 06:56 AM
My Week 1 Write Up:

The Jets D is ******* tremendous.

Done.

wicket
09-14-2009, 07:18 AM
New Orleans managed some massive offensive numbers against the Detroit Lions. Fourth year nobody Mike Bell managed to bash his way to the tune of 140+ yards and Drew Brees seems to be staking his claim for MVP early throwing a massive 6 touchdown passes. Jeramy Shockey finally showed his worth catching two touchdowns and the young receivers in New Orleans are starting to play a better brand of football. Worryingly though, despite the Detroit Lions throwing three interceptions and running for the grand total of 34 yards, the Saints still surrendered 27 points. The defense has to be better, it's not every week Drew Brees will throw for six touchdowns and it's not every week they'll face a team that's lost seventeen (now eighteen) regular season games in a row.


the problem with the point scored against were on the back of an appaling special teams performance. Of the total offensive production of the Lions (238 yards) a big chunk (63 y) was one deep play Calvin Johnson and imo if you play the Lions that can just happen. The two turnovers were also costly. One was returned for a TD (the fumble) and the other one was returned for 26 yards). There were also to many costly defensive penalties.
But to sum up the special teams disgrace.
- two muffed punts (of which one was lost)
- had a fieldgoal blocked
- allowed 180 kickoff return yards on 5 kickoffs
- allowed 55 yards on 2 punt returns
and keep in mind these were pretty good kickoffs and punts (Im already less angry about drafting morstead, I know its hypocritical but wth)

Boston
09-14-2009, 10:08 AM
I've always thought the Green Bay secondary was vastly overrated, so them running wild on them doesn't impress me much.

I still think they're all garbage, and none of them will amount to anything. If they want Cutler to succeed in Chicago, they need to find him someone that can play the WR position. Oh, and actually use their most physically gifted player on offense (Olsen).

That was a recieving corps running wild on a secondary, really? Take away those two plays and they did very little.

nrk
09-14-2009, 10:22 AM
I've always thought the Green Bay secondary was vastly overrated, so them running wild on them doesn't impress me much.

I still think they're all garbage, and none of them will amount to anything. If they want Cutler to succeed in Chicago, they need to find him someone that can play the WR position. Oh, and actually use their most physically gifted player on offense (Olsen).

Olsen was getting double covered quite a bit.

SaintsMan
09-14-2009, 10:33 AM
I don't know why everyone keeps saying the Saints Defense is still bad based on the Lions game. The Saints D after week 1 is ranked No.7 overall, 3rd against the run and 13th against the pass. Our Offense and Special Teams gave up at least half of those points and kept putting our Defense in a very bad position.

As has been mentioned, it doesn't matter where points come from, it matters that they're there. Detriot shouldn't have been able to come anywhere near 27 points regardless of how they did it.

In your write up, you make it seem like it's all the Defense fault. Why didn't you say how bad the Panthers Defense was for giving up 38pts?

keylime_5
09-14-2009, 11:14 AM
For the record, if yesterday and the entire preseason is any indication, Kamerion Wimbley is not a bust. Great player so far this year, our best linebacker.

gsorace
09-14-2009, 11:27 AM
Favre gets all the credit for a great team effort by Minnesota

I haven't seen or heard him get any credit, all he did was give the ball to Adrian Peterson

Raiderz4Life
09-14-2009, 11:29 AM
I haven't seen or heard him get any credit, all he did was give the ball to Adrian Peterson

Yea but see...he didn't fumble the exchange....he's Brett Farve thats all he needs to do to get credit

Rosebud
09-14-2009, 12:07 PM
I've always thought the Green Bay secondary was vastly overrated, so them running wild on them doesn't impress me much.

I still think they're all garbage, and none of them will amount to anything. If they want Cutler to succeed in Chicago, they need to find him someone that can play the WR position. Oh, and actually use their most physically gifted player on offense (Olsen).

meh, I guess we disagree since I think Charles Woodson is the second best corner in the league, al harris is a good corner and they have a good pair of safeties. That may not be a great secondary but it is a certainly a good one and the bears receivers were creating separation. But I guess we'll see as the season progresses.

UKfan
09-14-2009, 02:10 PM
Do you dislike the Colts Blindsite, you never give them a mention, I know that the game wasn't amazing, but come on, Reggie Wayne deserves a mention! Other than that, nice write up, good read :-)

Seanhawk
09-14-2009, 02:26 PM
Agree completely on John Carlson. The sky is the limit for this kid. We are extremely lucky to have him.

BlindSite
09-14-2009, 05:51 PM
I don't know why everyone keeps saying the Saints Defense is still bad based on the Lions game. The Saints D after week 1 is ranked No.7 overall, 3rd against the run and 13th against the pass. Our Offense and Special Teams gave up at least half of those points and kept putting our Defense in a very bad position.

In your write up, you make it seem like it's all the Defense fault. Why didn't you say how bad the Panthers Defense was for giving up 38pts?

If you'd read anything I'd written other than the bit on the Saints you would've seen that I was pretty disgusted with the Panthers.

Even so if you break it down.

Carolina drives down for 8 minutes, 7 points ahead, holds the eagles to a punt, begins to drive, Delhomme throws INT. Defense holds Eagles only gain 1 yard. FG.

7-3 t this point basically the end of the first quarter Carolina is dominant. The Eagles have had two possessions and barely gained a year. Their drives have failed to produce anything, they score a FG because of a lucky interception. It wasn't even that bad of a throw, but from here Delhomme melts down. The next scores come from a punt return, a fumble return.

17 to 7 not once did the defense have a chance.

Next score, Delhomme throws an INT that's returned to the 9 yard line. Defense has no chance.

24 to 7

Now the Carolina defense gives up their first long drive to the eagles. 31 to 7. Panthers drive again, score a field goal. 10 to 31 Which was a decent drive in the 2 minute warning against the eagles.

1:42 on the clock, defense holds the eagles to a punt.

Start of third quarter, eagles drive down, Beason intercepts McNabb 50 yrd drive.

Delhomme throws another terrible INT eagles get the ball at the 10 and mcnabb trundles in for his injury and another TD.

All in all the defense gave up the points, but if you want to look at their performance, all but 7 points either game from turnovers inside the 20 by Delhomme or straight up returns.

The defense in this instance was fine. Delhomme sucked.

Besides which, I said "the saints surrendered 27 points, the defense has to be better it's not every day Brees will throw six interceptions" The return for a TD, fine we'll discount that. That's still 20 points regardless of miscues. I'm not saying New Orleans is a bad team, I'm saying it's not a promising sign for a team touted as a possible contender to give up nearly thirty points to the worst team in the history of the NFL.

If you don't agree a contender shouldn't have done any better against the Lions, that's fine.

Neither team should be happy regardless how the defense performed because you know what. Regardless how good the Panthers defensive unit played, the team as a whole gave up 38 points and we lost, embarassingly.

I haven't seen or heard him get any credit, all he did was give the ball to Adrian Peterson

ESPN and Fox Sports both mentioned during their coverage (and ESPN again this morning) mentioned that "Favre was successful during his first outing for Minnesota" in the vikings win Favre threw for XXX and X Peterson also rushed for...."

Dunno what the coverage has shown on other networks out here, but there's not a lot of shows I can watch.

Do you dislike the Colts Blindsite, you never give them a mention, I know that the game wasn't amazing, but come on, Reggie Wayne deserves a mention! Other than that, nice write up, good read :-)
I had notes, but I couldn't work him in, just space. Sorry.

Raven Domination
09-15-2009, 08:48 AM
I agree with what you said about KC. We played hard and were in it a long time. The game was a lot closer than the score would indicate, nohomer.

I'm pretty happy with how the Chiefs played without our starting QB and our #1 corner in the game. They picked on Leggett early and he seemed to calm down and played rather well, but he's no Brandon Flowers.

Actually, the score halfway into the 4th quarter showed the game as tied which is as close as it could have been. The game actually WASN'T as close as the score showed. 14 of Kansas City's points came from an interception returned to the 8 yard line and a blocked punt. KC didn't get a 1st down until about the 2nd or 3rd quarter and Baltimore's D held you guys to 188 total yards on offense. KC should be glad it wasn't a blowout. You guys played with a lot of heart though. Cassel should make that team a ton better.

Bengalsrocket
09-15-2009, 09:12 AM
Actually, the score halfway into the 4th quarter showed the game as tied which is as close as it could have been. The game actually WASN'T as close as the score showed. 14 of Kansas City's points came from an interception returned to the 8 yard line and a blocked punt. KC didn't get a 1st down until about the 2nd or 3rd quarter and Baltimore's D held you guys to 188 total yards on offense. KC should be glad it wasn't a blowout. You guys played with a lot of heart though. Cassel should make that team a ton better.


Rofl, he didn't say "The game was a lot closer than the score would indicate, half way through the 4th quarter".

He was talking about the end of the game score, which was a 2 score difference. And it doesn't matter if the Ravens give up special teams touchdowns or defensive touchdowns, those are still points that count against you.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
09-15-2009, 09:18 AM
Yea but he is saying that the game wasn't that close for the most part. The Ravens defense shut their offense down for the first half and our offense was plagued by penalties that ruined chances of scores on those drives. When the Ravens went down 14-10 I wasn't even phased. I was mad that we let them score on us but I knew we would just come back and put up points. I promise you won't see that 2nd half defense again.

LonghornsLegend
09-15-2009, 09:57 AM
What can be said about Carolina that wasn't said in the divisional playoffs last year. They're a great unit, the defense, running game, receivers, no complaints, but QB... Watching the Green Bay and Chicago game it's difficult not to be Jealous of teams with an actual future at the position. The game started well enough, in fact for most of the first quarter the Carolina defense held strong, the running game was clicking and Carolina, on the back of a long, methodical drive held the lead and looked like keeping it. Fast forward about six minutes in the second quarter and Delhomme had committed three turnovers and Carolina was down by seven. Soon the box the was stacked the backs were stuffed and Delhomme simply couldn't stop the hemmoraging. Time was it was expected that Delhomme would occasionally sling an interception that would make everyon shake their head, but these interceptions would be coupled with impressive plays and gutsy drives. Once benched, McCown came in to get hurt and Matt Moore in limited action showed that he really isn't Carolina's future at Quarterback. It's only week one and it's no necessarily time for the franchise to panic, but this is not the first time and I doubt it will be the last that Delhomme costs Carolina a win through poor play.



Look on the bright side, at least you guys signed him to a huge deal this past off-season with all that guaranteed money. That said, I always liked Matt Moore but I guess he's not ready to even be a back-up.

Gay Ork Wang
09-15-2009, 09:58 AM
if its tied in the middle of the 4th quarter and they have a chance to win, id say its pretty close

Geo
09-15-2009, 10:52 AM
Do you dislike the Colts Blindsite, you never give them a mention, I know that the game wasn't amazing, but come on, Reggie Wayne deserves a mention!
There's nothing to say about them because they keep doing what they do, when everybody else wants to see them fail. People spoke up real loud last year when they said the Colts were dead and buried.

I am very enthused about the Colts this year. Very enthused.

Especially after seeing how the rest of the AFC looks.

no bare feet
09-15-2009, 10:54 AM
It's funny how Raven's fans are saying the Chiefs didn't play as the score indicated. How often did the Ravens over the last 10 years get big plays on defense and special teams?

Geo
09-15-2009, 11:05 AM
There's the truth.

wogitalia
09-15-2009, 11:06 AM
It's funny how Raven's fans are saying the Chiefs didn't play as the score indicated. How often did the Ravens over the last 10 years get big plays on defense and special teams?

Plus... since when do points scored on those two things not count? Last time I checked it was a huge reason that the Giants and Steelers won the last two superbowls, hell the Cards rode that and Fitzgerald to the superbowl last year.

As a Vikings fan I have seen more than enough of the flipside, our special teams have been so bad for so long now, regularly give up monster punt and kickoff returns, it's even sadder because our marquee free agents for the last few years have been special team guys primarily.

vidae
09-15-2009, 11:18 AM
Hah, it's whatever. Some Ravens fans are claiming that crazy things like "special teams" and "defense" shouldn't count, or count less than they do, like they don't matter.

Yeah, it should have been a blowout, no question. The Ravens are stacked with talent, but as per my original post, we stayed in it and fought every second, there is no disputing that.

Congratulations on the victory. Good luck the rest of the way.

BlindSite
09-15-2009, 04:38 PM
Carolina surrendered all by 7 points pretty much directly through ST and defensive play by the eagles.

Last night special teams play caused the Bills to lose a sure victory.

It doesn't matter where the points come from. If they're there the game is close.

CC.SD
09-15-2009, 05:04 PM
There's nothing to say about them because they keep doing what they do, when everybody else wants to see them fail. People spoke up real loud last year when they said the Colts were dead and buried.

I am very enthused about the Colts this year. Very enthused.

Especially after seeing how the rest of the AFC looks.

Enthused, you say? :D Enthused!

I have noticed that basically every AFC Contender had a struggle on their hands in the opening week. I suspect that's because it was the opening week, with all due respect.

BlindSite
09-15-2009, 05:20 PM
Enthused, you say? :D Enthused!

I have noticed that basically every AFC Contender had a struggle on their hands in the opening week. I suspect that's because it was the opening week, with all due respect.

Our 45 are better than their 45

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
09-15-2009, 05:49 PM
Carlson is a damn good blocker but he has evolved into being a solid receiving threat(Which he really wasn't in ND...large part because the 2007 ND team sucked at O-Line that he had to stay back and help).

Carlson was a great receiving threat when Brady Quinn was there. He was one of the team's best pass catchers, similar to Kyle Rudolph now.

GB12
09-15-2009, 07:28 PM
I've always thought the Green Bay secondary was vastly overrated, so them running wild on them doesn't impress me much.
How the hell is it overrated? It consists of a top 3 corner (Woodson), a top 20 corner (Harris), a pro bowl free safety (Collins), and one of the best nicklebacks in the league (Williams). The weakest spot of our secondary is strong safety where we have Bigby who is at least average when healthy. Not many teams can top that.

BlindSite
09-15-2009, 10:02 PM
Did Greenbay win a game or two last year BECAUSE of their secondary playing so well? There's not many teams who's secondary I'd take over GBs. In fact I wouldn't be upset if some weird miracle there was a forced straight up change of ours for theirs and it's not like the Panthers are lacking in that area.

The more I think about it, GB has the best secondary in their division and would if they played in the NFC South, NFC West, AFC West and AFC East.

ShutDwn
09-15-2009, 10:06 PM
Once we sign Dilfer the Panthers are superbowl bound, check dat number one pass defense out. Yea, its sick I know.

superman8456
09-15-2009, 10:08 PM
Singletary getting any coaching props?

GB12
09-15-2009, 10:17 PM
Did Greenbay win a game or two last year BECAUSE of their secondary playing so well? There's not many teams who's secondary I'd take over GBs. In fact I wouldn't be upset if some weird miracle there was a forced straight up change of ours for theirs and it's not like the Panthers are lacking in that area.

The more I think about it, GB has the best secondary in their division and would if they played in the NFC South, NFC West, AFC West and AFC East.
Just wondering, what are the secondaries you would put above Green Bay?

7-11
09-15-2009, 11:15 PM
Just wondering, what are the secondaries you would put above Green Bay?

I know you're not asking me but now i think about i'd say only Tennessee have a better secondary.

The homer in me would also like to say a healthy Colts secondary is very good at doing what they're asked.

BlindSite
09-16-2009, 02:28 AM
Just wondering, what are the secondaries you would put above Green Bay?

Except for Philly and possibly Pitt and Tennessee not a single team in the NFL.

MetSox17
09-16-2009, 03:23 AM
How the hell is it overrated? It consists of a top 3 corner (Woodson), a top 20 corner (Harris), a pro bowl free safety (Collins), and one of the best nicklebacks in the league (Williams). The weakest spot of our secondary is strong safety where we have Bigby who is at least average when healthy. Not many teams can top that.

Every big game i've seen, they get trashed. I don't care where the hell you rank them individually, i've seen them get beaten like dirty rugs more than a few times in big situations to make me think they're overrated.

thetedginnshow
09-16-2009, 03:29 AM
I think we're all forgetting about the Jets'.

umphrey
09-16-2009, 05:02 AM
Every big game i've seen, they get trashed. I don't care where the hell you rank them individually, i've seen them get beaten like dirty rugs more than a few times in big situations to make me think they're overrated.

Are you thinking about the pre Woodson secondary or some of the big plays that happened when we didn't have a pass rush? Because otherwise I don't see how that makes much sense. As an outsider looking in it would still be pretty hard to find 5 teams with a better secondary than us.

dc22
09-16-2009, 05:12 AM
Are you thinking about the pre Woodson secondary or some of the big plays that happened when we didn't have a pass rush? Because otherwise I don't see how that makes much sense. As an outsider looking in it would still be pretty hard to find 5 teams with a better secondary than us.

i think he's referring to the beating the saints put on us last year

wicket
09-16-2009, 06:11 AM
i think he's referring to the beating the saints put on us last year

but that was more of an DLine issue with you guys. Brees is lethal when he has some time to throw. He is able to kill gods if he has all day to throw.

BlindSite
09-16-2009, 07:33 AM
Everyone gets beaten sometimes, hell there's plenty of games where randy Moss' stats have read 1 rec 12 yds or where Manning has thrown multiple INTs, or brady for that matter.

The thing is a few bad games does not a team make.

CC.SD
09-16-2009, 09:53 AM
i think he's referring to the beating the saints put on us last year

The big GB secondary flop that sticks out in my mind is the Giants playoff game in 07, but to be fair that's some distance away now.

I do think the Pack have a top 5 secondary, and probably even a top 3, but I really can't put anybody above the Titans right now. I think their safeties are superb and they have a shut down corner to throw in on top of that. The Raiders are surprisingly sharp here too, Chris Johnson has really developed into an ace across from Nnamdi, and Routt at nickel. Huff may be coming around at FS too.

wogitalia
09-16-2009, 10:10 AM
Every big game i've seen, they get trashed. I don't care where the hell you rank them individually, i've seen them get beaten like dirty rugs more than a few times in big situations to make me think they're overrated.

I think the big thing is that their DL has struggled a fair bit the last couple of years, the secondary does all that can really be asked of it, it applies for every team, if you give a QB 5+ seconds he should hit an open target because someone should get open.

Personally I think that Pittsburgh is better for sure. I quite like Jacksonville, Tennessee, Baltimore, Carolina, Philly and the Jets, basically the amount of pass rush those teams get will pick their order. Vikings, if healthy should be much improved this year simply by getting rid of Sharper but I don't see us on the same level though our DL can help inflate the backs.