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Rob331
03-09-2007, 10:20 PM
Unless all hell breaks loose in FA the Eagles need more plaers than they have draft choices.

They need a safety to replace Lewis, a coner to replace Hood, a WR to replace Stallworth (Bethel Johnson isn't the answer), A MLB to take Trot's spot in 2008, a developmental QB, an upgrade an back up TE, a RB to replace Buckhalter, and a LB or 2 to take Barber's and D. hones roster spots. That's 8 or 9 roster holes that need to be filled.

How can that be done - trades. Our 1st can get us a 2 and a 3 and Tre Thomas can get us a #4. That would be 8 picks. Using 2008's two extra picks - 6 (Fraley) and 7 (Parry) can get us another #5.

That would be 2-2's, 2-3's a 4 2-5's a 6 and a 7 - 9 picks and here's how I'd use them -

2- WR Jason Hill - Washington State (replace Stallworth)
2- CB Fred Bennett - South Carolina (replace Hood)
3- S Sabby Piscatelli - Oregon State (replace M. Lewis)
3- TE Ben Patrick - Delaware (upgrade TE)
4 - MLB Zak DeOssie - Brown (Trotter's eventual replacement)
5 - RB Chris Henry - Arizona (replace Buckhalter)
5 - LB Antwan Barnes - Florida International (replaces Barber)
6 - QB Jordan Palmer - UTEP (3rd QB, Garcia's roster spot)
7 - DE C J Ah You - Oklahoma (seeya McDougle)

Gocong relaces D. Jones
Bloom or Bethel johnson replace Mahe
Justice replaces W. Thomas

brat316
03-10-2007, 12:13 AM
wow, um lets see hmmm Bethel is only for ST, a mlb to take Trots spot is Gaithers apprently, we do have GoCong, Dhani, and McCoy, so two LB are actually needed one for MLB and one for OLB

We have too many WR to take one in the draft especially first day, a veteran WR would be better, though i do like Jason Hill but he doesnt play to his fast speed he has

We have William James or Peterson and as of right now i dont think Hood is getting that great offers so he might be back

S yes thats a need, i would rather get one in the second like Merriweather or Wendling-can probably be had in the third

Wow the TEs are mostly all blocking TEs and there is no need to take him that high in the 3rd i think Schoble is fine

MLB is fine i like that pick

RB Henry is another fast back we need a guy who will fall forward and pick up those tough 3-4 yrds, you never know we may get Dillion hopefully not for a crazy price

I like Barnes also, but even though he has that speed he is not that good in coverage, and Barber was our best LB in coverage

QB i guess that is a nice pick dont mind him, maybe Timmy Chang might get a shot who knows

DE yeah i think this might need to be a higher pick

so we dont need really need to trade down, not having that forth does hurt but

6 picks address S, OLB, DE, MLB, cb maybe or RB, QB

Yeah i do think that William Thomas maybe be traded pob for a 4th though hopefully for a 3rd

Rob331
03-10-2007, 01:04 AM
Last years roster had 6 LB's to start - Trotter, McCoy, D. Jones, Gaither, Barber, and Short. During the year Short was replaced by Daniels and Roper was adder to the active roster. So it's 6 or 7 LB's - Trotter, Gaither, McCoy, Gocong are pretty much pencelled in - that leaves a need for 2.

I'm not sure I understand the Bethel signing. If he's a special teamer then Bloom isn't oing to make the roster. In any event I don't think he's even a #3 WR. We need a solid wideout - I agree if we sign a solid vet that need gets minimized. Let's hope the Curtis thing works out.

I'd love to have Hood back - if it happens that need diminishes, but if it doesn't I;m not ready to put my eggs in James' basket. He hasn't been healthy for 3 years. Figure on a hign pick for a corner.

You and I disagree on Schoebel so I still say it's a 1st day need.

Henry is big - 235. Combine withthe 40 time at the combine and he could be the steal of the draft.

Like I said - if things stat breaking in FA then the landscape changes. Your scenarios need that to happen - Hood back and signing a wideout.

Let;s the wheeling and dealing begin.

eaglesalltheway
03-10-2007, 10:40 AM
We don't need a WR early, not even first day. Our main needs are S, MLB, OLB, and CB, with power RB in the mix as well as DE or DT. I think if Griffin is left in the first, which he should be, he is our future SS, with Considine moving to FS when Dawk retires. In the second, there are plenty of good players left when we pick, so here is the spot when we would get a RB if Leonard is available. If not, expect DE or LB depending on what is left. In the third, Anthony Waters would be a great pick, but many people have him sliding down draft boards, some are even saying he may be available in the fifth or sixth, but I doubt that. He has too much potential to last that long. I'm not so sure we get rid of Thomas. Our FO saw how well they played last year and may not want to mess with a good thing. CB does not need to be addressed until day two. We will not draft a CB early just to be our Nickel, at best. And don't try to say we did it with Lito and Sheldon, that was a completely different situation. DT can be addressed later as well, along with QB. I doubt Palmer lasts that far, mostly because of his last name. TE does not need to be addressed early either, we have a solid starter in L.J. and a decent backup in Schobel.

Eaglez.Fan
03-10-2007, 11:18 AM
Considine isn't good enough to start specially at FS with his poor ball skills. And we do need a WR early. Atleast in the 3rd round.

Dillen
03-10-2007, 11:34 AM
Considine's poor ball skills, are you kidding? He doesnt have good hands but he plays the ball extremely well.


Rob, I think the exact opposite. The Eagles have tons of young players. They're going to re-sign Buckhalter or bring in another RB. They don't NEED a corner early anymore. If they let Stallworth sign somewhere else it shows they are complacent with what they have. They'll probably bring back Barber or sign Fowler.

I think the Eagles will trade up in the draft. They have tons of young players on the bubble. Jeremy Bloom, Bethel Johnson, Bill Sampy, Dedrick Roper, Tank Daniels, Reno Mahe, Jason Davis, Dustin Fox, Greg Lewis, Pat McCoy, Jerome McDougle, and Scott Young. You want to throw more later round picks into that mix? Why? In an ideal situation, out of those 12 players, you'd want to keep 8 or 9. Then you'd just be adding tons of guys on the level of someone like Jason Davis.

Also, just on DeOssie...what have you seen that convinces you that the Eagles could bank on him to be the future MLB? He seems somewhat stiff and isn't a whole lot quicker than Gaither, if at all.

machoking6
03-10-2007, 01:47 PM
I really don't know what you're talking about insinuating that the Eagles need more players than they have draft picks. The Eagles are one of the few lucky teams in this league that don't have a vast majority of needs. Here's a breakdown:

QB - A 3rd string QB is needed. I wouldn't mind drafting someone on the 2nd day to begin molding.

RB - A power back is needed, whether we get one through the draft or free agency. I would prefer drafting someone like Tony Hunt, Michael Bush, or Brian Leonard just because they can provide us with a solid 1-2 punch for many years. I wouldn't mind if we got someone like Corey Dillon, but he would only do us good for 1-2 years at best.

FB - None needed

WR - The Eagles have their eyes on Kevin Curtis, and even Stallworth for that matter. If we don't get either of them, I don't see the Eagles making WR a top priority. As of now they have Reggie Brown, Baskett, Avant, Bethel Johnson, and Greg Lewis. I really like Bethel Johnson. The guy broke numerous records at Texas A&M so he obviously has the talent. He's a devout Christian, so it's not like the guy is Randy Moss and will give up when he wants to. We know what Brown and Baskett can do. Avant played seldomly, but he showed that he's going to be a threat when he got full time against the Falcons in the last game of the season.

TE - This is tricky because I'm not sure what the Eagles plan on doing with LJ Smith. I assume they will do whatever it is they can to sign him during the season. But maybe he'll want to test the free agent waters? I'm not sure. Schobel is a solid #2, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to address the position in the draft. I think this draft class has good, not great, prospects that can grow.

OL - The Eagles have one of the deepest, most talented offensive lines in football. They drafted incredibly well there last season that they do not have to address it in this draft.

DL - McDougal is out of here soon. That leaves us with Kearse and Juqua manning the left side, and Darren Howard and Cole manning the right side. The Eagles would love to add more depth I'm sure, so we'll give DE a spot in the draft. Darwin Walker may be cut, but even if he isn't, the team needs a fat mess to plug the middle and take up space. A guy like that can be filled through free agency. If they chose to go through the draft though, that wouldn't be until late 2nd day.

LB - Trotter mans the middle, but Gaither will be his eventual replacement. McCoy is on the weakside and Gocong and Dhani Jones are on the strong side. Jones should be cut, in my opinion. The Eagles really like Torrance Daniels, who will probably compete with Gocong. I see the Eagles drafting an OLB definitely to push McCoy.

CB - Not necessary for the draft. We have Lito, Sheldon, just re-signed Will James, and Joselio Hanson. Hanson competed for a spot on the team in camp and earned his way onto the team. The Eagles will do that again.

S - Considine will be this team's future at SS. I don't think he'll be ready for full time duty this season though. He needs some more polishing, so the Eagles will draft a versatile safety to share duties with him this season, and to eventually be Dawkins' replacement. A lot of us can agree that Michael Griffin from Texas could be this guy. Take into account that we also re-signed Mikell this offseason. The guy proved to be a tremendous value to our team last season, but he'll never be a starter for this team unless someone is hurt.

So according to my calculations, the Eagles could address QB, RB, TE, DE, DT, OLB, and S in the draft. And I'm saying we address all of these positions as worst case scenarios. We could just as easily sign a RB and DT. We'll have plenty of picks. I have no doubts with this team on draft day. They are 2nd best team in terms of drafting talent and depth, after the Patriots. We'll be just fine.

eaglesalltheway
03-10-2007, 03:39 PM
Considine is our future FS, not SS. But everything else I agree with machoking. That was probably just a typo anyway.

Rob331
03-10-2007, 07:13 PM
Dillen - I think you and I are on the same wave length but looking at it from different angles. We need to upgrade those dimea a dozen guys. Bring in competition and if you end up with one gen (like Herremans) and the rest journeymen then bring in more journeymen in the hope of finding yet another gem.

Machoking - you're putting alot of faith on a 5th round pick that played ok last year at another position. Let's not anoint Gaither to anything just yet.

Both of you guys feel alot better about WR than I do. Brown is solid, but what was it about Baskett that convinced you. I'll admit, I'm optimistic, but I'm sure not convinced. Avant couldn't even get on the game day active roster for most of the year so I just can't look at him through rose colored glasses.

Jimmy
03-10-2007, 07:18 PM
Considine is our future FS, not SS. But everything else I agree with machoking. That was probably just a typo anyway.



i agree, considine sucks at tackling in madden

eaglesalltheway
03-10-2007, 07:23 PM
What does madden have to do with this?

Jimmy
03-10-2007, 07:28 PM
What does madden have to do with this?



im very frustrated

eaglesalltheway
03-10-2007, 07:40 PM
im very frustrated

Why? I don't get it. Madden had basically nothing to go by for him this year anyway. This was the first time he got any real playing time. I am now confused.

Go_Eagles77
03-10-2007, 07:54 PM
Why? I don't get it. Madden had basically nothing to go by for him this year anyway. This was the first time he got any real playing time. I am now confused.


I am confused by what you just posted.

Jimmy
03-10-2007, 09:04 PM
Nvm, i just don't like considine. Lets leave it at that.

jonbrodo17
03-10-2007, 11:31 PM
i am not the biggest fan of considine either, I think he can be a special teamer and back-up but I have a problem with him being our future

machoking6
03-11-2007, 11:31 AM
Considine is our future FS, not SS. But everything else I agree with machoking. That was probably just a typo anyway.

What makes you say that Considine is our future at FS? Did you read this somewhere or is this just your opinion? I just assumed he's the team's future at SS because he played SS in college and he's playing SS for us right now. I don't think he was ever listed at FS. Once again, maybe I missed something.

Eaglez.Fan
03-11-2007, 11:39 AM
Considine's poor ball skills, are you kidding? He doesnt have good hands but he plays the ball extremely well.

I disagree with you on this, he doesn't make as many plays as I'd like, you rarely see him fly in your TV set and make a play. He can't catch like you said, but eveyrone "can" catch if this makes sense. If you put yourself in the right position even o-linemen can catch, he had to make those catches when he was off balanced. He just looks out of his comfort zone when the ball is in the air.

He does make some plays, and IMO he's pretty solid against the run, but he can't start.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 11:51 AM
What makes you say that Considine is our future at FS? Did you read this somewhere or is this just your opinion? I just assumed he's the team's future at SS because he played SS in college and he's playing SS for us right now. I don't think he was ever listed at FS. Once again, maybe I missed something.

He is our future at FS because that is his natural positition. He was a SS in college because he was the best SS on his team. But in the NFL, his run coverage is not as good, so he is our future FS. He was drafted by the Eagles to replace Dawkins when he retires. The only reason he played SS this year is becuase the coaching staff wanted to get him on the feild and Lewis off. Lewis is a beast against the run, but was getting ripped apart on pass plays. Considine was put in so our defense wouldn't give up so many deep passing plays. This is actually one of the more widely known things about him, so I am surprised you missed it.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 11:53 AM
I disagree with you on this, he doesn't make as many plays as I'd like, you rarely see him fly in your TV set and make a play. He can't catch like you said, but eveyrone "can" catch if this makes sense. If you put yourself in the right position even o-linemen can catch, he had to make those catches when he was off balanced. He just looks out of his comfort zone when the ball is in the air.

He does make some plays, and IMO he's pretty solid against the run, but he can't start.

He isn't solid against the run, he could improve, but he isn't horrible against the run like some people seem to think. Once he goes back to his natural position at FS he will be more suited to play and will start, after Dawkins retires of course.

cunningham06
03-11-2007, 12:54 PM
I disagree with you on this, he doesn't make as many plays as I'd like, you rarely see him fly in your TV set and make a play. He can't catch like you said, but eveyrone "can" catch if this makes sense. If you put yourself in the right position even o-linemen can catch, he had to make those catches when he was off balanced. He just looks out of his comfort zone when the ball is in the air.

He does make some plays, and IMO he's pretty solid against the run, but he can't start.

Did you watch the Atlanta game? 3 Notable times Considine came over the top with safety help and broke up plays. He made the kind of plays that Roy Williams is incapable of. I love the way he diagnoses what an offense is about to do. His game intelligence is one of the best things about him because it helps him get into good position.

machoking6
03-11-2007, 01:09 PM
He is our future at FS because that is his natural positition. He was a SS in college because he was the best SS on his team. But in the NFL, his run coverage is not as good, so he is our future FS. He was drafted by the Eagles to replace Dawkins when he retires. The only reason he played SS this year is becuase the coaching staff wanted to get him on the feild and Lewis off. Lewis is a beast against the run, but was getting ripped apart on pass plays. Considine was put in so our defense wouldn't give up so many deep passing plays. This is actually one of the more widely known things about him, so I am surprised you missed it.

He was a SS in college and he's been nothing but a SS in the NFL, but his more natural position is FS? I'm sorry, but I just find that hard to comprehend. The guy has been nothing but a SS throughout his football career, and yet his natural position is a position that he's never played. I think he's going to remain at SS for this team and we'll draft a more athletic safety (like Michael Griffin) to split time at SS but to eventually become Dawkins' replacement.

Big Mike
03-11-2007, 01:39 PM
i like jason hill

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 02:41 PM
i like jason hill

I don't like him all that much.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 02:44 PM
He was a SS in college and he's been nothing but a SS in the NFL, but his more natural position is FS? I'm sorry, but I just find that hard to comprehend. The guy has been nothing but a SS throughout his football career, and yet his natural position is a position that he's never played. I think he's going to remain at SS for this team and we'll draft a more athletic safety (like Michael Griffin) to split time at SS but to eventually become Dawkins' replacement.

This is one of those things you are not going to beleive me until it happens. Remember 2005, whenever Dawkins was out and Lewis was in at SS and Considine was in at FS, his natural position, which is what the team drafted him for. He is more suited as a FS becuase his coverage skills are vastly superior to his run stopping skills. It is pointless to try to argue this, but it will happen when Dawkins retires.

machoking6
03-11-2007, 03:50 PM
This is one of those things you are not going to beleive me until it happens. Remember 2005, whenever Dawkins was out and Lewis was in at SS and Considine was in at FS, his natural position, which is what the team drafted him for. He is more suited as a FS becuase his coverage skills are vastly superior to his run stopping skills. It is pointless to try to argue this, but it will happen when Dawkins retires.

So Considine moving over to FS is pretty much your opinion from what you're saying. Yet you tell me that it was something that was widely known. You're right though, I'll believe you when it happens.

But I'll be honest, I didn't remember 2005 when Dawkins was out and Lewis played SS while Considine played FS. I looked up Considine's stats from 2005 and it said he only played in 6 games. In those 6 games he had 4 tackles, 0 INTs, and 0 pass deflections. He seemed real suited to be that FS with those "vastly superior coverage skills." I looked up Dawkins' stats from 2005 too and he had played in all 16 games. I'm no rocket scientist, but if he played all 16 games doesn't that mean that he wasn't "out" like you say? Do you just make stuff up? Everybody has an opinion on things which is perfectly fine, but when you try to be convincing you should really back it up with solid proof.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 04:09 PM
So Considine moving over to FS is pretty much your opinion from what you're saying. Yet you tell me that it was something that was widely known. You're right though, I'll believe you when it happens.

But I'll be honest, I didn't remember 2005 when Dawkins was out and Lewis played SS while Considine played FS. I looked up Considine's stats from 2005 and it said he only played in 6 games. In those 6 games he had 4 tackles, 0 INTs, and 0 pass deflections. He seemed real suited to be that FS with those "vastly superior coverage skills." I looked up Dawkins' stats from 2005 too and he had played in all 16 games. I'm no rocket scientist, but if he played all 16 games doesn't that mean that he wasn't "out" like you say? Do you just make stuff up? Everybody has an opinion on things which is perfectly fine, but when you try to be convincing you should really back it up with solid proof.

When Dawkins was getting a break or stuff like that. I didn't mean Considine started. If you think I am making stuff up you should just shut your mouth and stop talking like I don't know what I am even thinking. Did you even watch any games this year? Considine was our SS, but he was always ther to break up plays or cause a receiver to drop a ball. Granted he didn't have much in the INT collum, but if you pay attention to the game, when he came up in run coverage, he was a liability. He would miss tackles or find a way to get blocked. He will probably start out the year at SS as well, but once we get a suitable SS and Dawkins retires, he will be our FS, which is his MORE NATURAL POSITION. He normally plays at less weight, but he gained it and is continuing to gain it this off-season so he can be a team player and do what is needed of him. I'm not going to keep repeating myself, so I am done, because this is getting old. I will look for proof in the meantime.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 04:13 PM
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/teamRosterDetails.jsp?id=26878

Look on that site read it thouroughly, he started at FS in college at Iowa, and learned both Safety positions for the Eagles. The link may not work, I don't know how to make one anyway. Here is the proof, now are you satisfied?

machoking6
03-11-2007, 04:17 PM
Yes, please find some proof because so far you haven't convinced me much of this Considine playing FS stuff.

Thank you for the proof. I was beginning to think you were talking nonsense.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 04:20 PM
I don't B.S. because all it does is get people pissed off at you.

jefepowhnzer
03-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Im not gonna pretend to know a whole lot about Considine, but in watching him this season I definitely found myself thinking that the Eagles had to take an athletic, strong SS early in the draft. Considine definitely covered better than Lewis but was average at best in the run game. I think a glaring example of this was the playoff game in NO. Obviously the entire D didn't play the run any good in that game but when it was up to Considine to make a play or tackle he either failed completely or partially made the play. I'm not convinced on his coverage skills yet, but thats because I didn't really pay attention to him most of the regular season. I didn't get to see the Falcons game, hopefully I can download it and look at some of the pass break ups that were mentioned earlier. From what I've observed though I would rather see Considine at FS after Dawk retires.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 07:19 PM
Considine is nearly as good as Dawkins against the pass, but nowhere near him when it comes to run support. Considine did have a very good game against the Falcons though.

cunningham06
03-11-2007, 08:52 PM
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Dawkins can cover a lot more ground than Considine and makes plays that are mind boggling. Considine is pretty good, but he's not near Dawkins level.

eaglesalltheway
03-12-2007, 07:15 AM
I'm taliking about pass coverage. He may not be able to goet the INTs, but how often does one of his guys get big yardage play. I forget where I heard this and it might be wrong, but no one Considine covered caught a TD pass on him while he was starting this year. I agree that he is nowhere near the playmaker that Dawkins is, but he is great against the pass. He will need to work on his run coverage though.