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boknows34
09-20-2009, 03:47 AM
Story:

http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2009/9/19/modern-era-nominees-for-the-class-of-2010/

The List:

http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/2009/9/19/2010-preliminary-nominees---by-position/

Analysis:

Returning finalists from 2009:

Cris Carter
Dermontti Dawson
Richard Dent
Russ Grimm
Cortez Kennedy
John Randle
Andre Reed
Shannon Sharpe
Paul Tagliabue

Its likely these nine names will return to the Final 15 (with the two seniors LeBeau and Little making it 17).


The following got as far as the Last 25 last year and will be looking to take the next step into the Final 15:

Roger Craig
Terrell Davis
Chris Doleman
Kevin Greene
Ray Guy
Charles Haley
Art Modell
Ken Stabler
Steve Tasker

Notable first time nominees:

Stone cold 1st ballot locks:
Jerry Rice
Emmitt Smith

Will get in eventually but will have to wait:
Tim Brown
Aeneas Williams

* There are 22 names mentioned above. All 22 of them will probably make the semi final list of 25. However with some very strong first time nominees it will be very tough for those players listed from Craig to Tasker to crack the Final 15. In fact there may only be room for two of them if A.Williams makes it.

* As for the Class of 2010 - Rice and Emmitt will instantly snap up two of the available five spots for the modern era candidates. Of the remaining three spots at least one of them will likely be a defender as voters like to have positional variety in each class. That's good news for the likes of Dent.

Dawson then Grimm appear to be 'next in line' among the OL. Dent, Kennedy and Randle the same for the DL. Carter should be there already imo but will voters be reluctant to put in two WRs together? Shannon Sharpe will make it soon enough but not this year. With Rice, Carter, Reed, Sharpe and now Tim Brown up for election I can't see more than two pass catchers getting elected and if there are two it should be Rice (obviously) and Carter.

My Modern Era Class of 2010:

Rice
Emmitt
Dent
Carter
Dawson

LeBeau and Little are voted on separately and can make the Class a max of 7.

Your thoughts?

XxXdragonXxX
09-20-2009, 11:03 AM
Tez should make it but he played in South Alaska on some really really bad teams, so he'll probly get overlooked again.

Job
09-20-2009, 12:19 PM
Rice is the biggest lock to make it in forever.

jth1331
09-20-2009, 07:24 PM
Shannon Sharpe deserved to be first ballot, one of the best TE's ever. 9 Pro Bowls and 3 Super Bowl rings, come on now.

FUNBUNCHER
09-21-2009, 07:55 AM
How in the heck Charles Haley is not in the HOF is the biggest mystery to me.

Dermotti Dawson is going to have to wait. Shannon Sharpe and Roger Craig should be finalists, IMO

Seanhawk
09-21-2009, 09:18 AM
Tez should make it but he played in South Alaska on some really really bad teams, so he'll probly get overlooked again.

I agree, Defensive Player of the Year on a 2-14 team...in Seattle...how dominant is that?

bigbluedefense
09-21-2009, 09:28 AM
Rice, Smith, Carter and Sharpe should be locks. That leaves 1 opening right?

Seanhawk
09-21-2009, 09:38 AM
Rice, Smith, Carter and Sharpe should be locks. That leaves 1 opening right?

You would think, but I thought Carter was a lock in his first year of eligibility. I was shocked when he still didn't get in in his second year.

I like Art Monk and thought he should have been in the Hall long before, but head to head, if one receiver was to get in that year, there's no way Monk should have went in over Carter.

bearsfan_51
09-21-2009, 09:45 AM
Sharpe is not a lock, if he was, he'd already be in there.

I like the OP. Good job.

bearsfan_51
09-21-2009, 09:47 AM
I think three things hurt Carter.

1) He's a D-bag. Although this didn't hurt Michael Irvin at all, so go figure.

2) He wasn't the complete package at WR, which likely led some people to believe he shouldn't be 1st ballot.

3) He never played an important game in his life. This shouldn't matter as much for WR, but it doesn't help that the teams he was on were known for choking in the playoffs.

Saints 4 Lyfe
09-21-2009, 10:09 AM
Rickey Jackson should have been in like 6 to 8 years ago. He has better stats than at least half, if not more than half of the people at his position.

I hope Tags gets in. He's a huge reason we're still in N.O.

dpl85
09-21-2009, 10:15 AM
Irvin wasn't a d bag he just made a lot of bad decisions in his personal life but nobody worked harder and his teammates universally loved and respected him

no bare feet
09-21-2009, 10:59 AM
Irvin just was on ESPN all the time proclaiming he should be in Canton 24-7. Once he got in he was fired. Hahah! I swear the make up artist did a great job dusting off the white stuff his nose.

Saints 4 Lyfe
09-21-2009, 11:11 AM
Irvin just was on ESPN all the time proclaiming he should be in Canton 24-7. Once he got in he was fired. Hahah! I swear the make up artist did a great job dusting off the white stuff his nose.

not cool man

YAYareaRB
09-21-2009, 01:42 PM
I hope Steve Tasker eventually makes it.

Halsey
09-21-2009, 01:51 PM
If it was truly the pro football Hall of Fame then Herschel Walker would get in. However, since he forced the NFL to start letting juniors in and went to the USFL for the best years of his career people hold a grudge or just don't realize how good a pro career he had:

(These tidbits may have changed in recent years because of some CFL player or somthing, but should be mostly still true)

-He's pro football's all time leader in total yards
-He's pro football's second all time leading rusher
-Holds the record for most yards rushing in a season
-twice named All-Pro in the NFL
-Went to 2 Pro Bowls in the NFL
-transitioned from being a top runner to being a very good kick returner later in his career
-Numerous NFL seasons with 50+ receptions
-One of a select group of players to ever score 60+ rushing TD's and 20+ receiving TD's
-and so on

Doug Flutie also should go in, but won't for similar reasons.

yo123
09-21-2009, 01:55 PM
I think three things hurt Carter.

1) He's a D-bag. Although this didn't hurt Michael Irvin at all, so go figure.

2) He wasn't the complete package at WR, which likely led some people to believe he shouldn't be 1st ballot.

3) He never played an important game in his life. This shouldn't matter as much for WR, but it doesn't help that the teams he was on were known for choking in the playoffs.

I wouldn't say he never played an important game, unless you're only talking about Super Bowls. His teams went to the playoffs 10 of his 15 years and he played in 2 NFC Championship games.

boknows34
09-22-2009, 04:57 AM
If it was truly the pro football Hall of Fame then Herschel Walker would get in. However, since he forced the NFL to start letting juniors in and went to the USFL for the best years of his career people hold a grudge or just don't realize how good a pro career he had:

(These tidbits may have changed in recent years because of some CFL player or somthing, but should be mostly still true)

-He's pro football's all time leader in total yards
-He's pro football's second all time leading rusher
-Holds the record for most yards rushing in a season
-twice named All-Pro in the NFL
-Went to 2 Pro Bowls in the NFL
-transitioned from being a top runner to being a very good kick returner later in his career
-Numerous NFL seasons with 50+ receptions
-One of a select group of players to ever score 60+ rushing TD's and 20+ receiving TD's
-and so on

Doug Flutie also should go in, but won't for similar reasons.

The Pro Football HOF only recognises achievements made in the NFL, AFL and AAFC. Remember when the HOF first opened its doors in 1963 there were still two rival leagues.

Seanhawk
09-22-2009, 08:28 AM
If it was truly the pro football Hall of Fame then Herschel Walker would get in. However, since he forced the NFL to start letting juniors in and went to the USFL for the best years of his career people hold a grudge or just don't realize how good a pro career he had:

(These tidbits may have changed in recent years because of some CFL player or somthing, but should be mostly still true)

-He's pro football's all time leader in total yards
-He's pro football's second all time leading rusher
-Holds the record for most yards rushing in a season
-twice named All-Pro in the NFL
-Went to 2 Pro Bowls in the NFL
-transitioned from being a top runner to being a very good kick returner later in his career
-Numerous NFL seasons with 50+ receptions
-One of a select group of players to ever score 60+ rushing TD's and 20+ receiving TD's
-and so on

Doug Flutie also should go in, but won't for similar reasons.

Don't worry, Herschel may have a shot at another Hall of Fame.

http://www.inentertainment.co.uk/20090922/nfl-star-herschel-walker-moving-to-mma/

YAYareaRB
09-22-2009, 10:04 AM
Why the hell doesn't anyone nominate Roger Craig?

bigbluedefense
09-22-2009, 10:10 AM
Why the hell doesn't anyone nominate Roger Craig?

Im not sure if Craig is Hall worthy. He'd make the hall of very good, but im not sure about the Hall of Fame.

senormysterioso
09-22-2009, 04:51 PM
If it was truly the pro football Hall of Fame then Herschel Walker would get in. However, since he forced the NFL to start letting juniors in and went to the USFL for the best years of his career people hold a grudge or just don't realize how good a pro career he had:

(These tidbits may have changed in recent years because of some CFL player or somthing, but should be mostly still true)

-He's pro football's all time leader in total yards
-He's pro football's second all time leading rusher
-Holds the record for most yards rushing in a season
-twice named All-Pro in the NFL
-Went to 2 Pro Bowls in the NFL
-transitioned from being a top runner to being a very good kick returner later in his career
-Numerous NFL seasons with 50+ receptions
-One of a select group of players to ever score 60+ rushing TD's and 20+ receiving TD's
-and so on

Doug Flutie also should go in, but won't for similar reasons.

Next you'll be saying that He Hate Me and Tommy Maddox should get in based on their XFL stats...just kidding

But The USFL was substandard competition. When Walker got to the NFL he was above average. He only had 2 seasons over 1000 yards rushing in the NFL. He was a great receiver out of the backfield though, his receiving numbers are good for a running back.

Raiderz4Life
09-22-2009, 07:08 PM
Tim Brown should get in...no way in ******* hell should he have to wait.

MasterShake
09-22-2009, 07:18 PM
I think that Rice kid has a shot.

keylime_5
09-22-2009, 07:22 PM
You would think, but I thought Carter was a lock in his first year of eligibility. I was shocked when he still didn't get in in his second year.

I like Art Monk and thought he should have been in the Hall long before, but head to head, if one receiver was to get in that year, there's no way Monk should have went in over Carter.

Yeah, if Monk didnt go in last year Carter would have. They figured it was now or never for Monk last year.

brat316
09-22-2009, 07:38 PM
How is Taglibu not a lock for the first ballot?

Mr.Regular
09-22-2009, 07:41 PM
Im pulling for Ray Guy.

killxswitch
09-23-2009, 07:50 AM
Irvin wasn't a d bag he just made a lot of bad decisions in his personal life but nobody worked harder and his teammates universally loved and respected him

You mean except for the guy he stabbed in the neck, right? He probably doesn't love or respect Irvin.

bearsfan_51
09-23-2009, 07:52 AM
I wouldn't say he never played an important game, unless you're only talking about Super Bowls. His teams went to the playoffs 10 of his 15 years and he played in 2 NFC Championship games.
And he lost almost all of them.

bigbluedefense
09-23-2009, 09:08 AM
I wonder who gets in first, Richard Dent or Charles Haley.

FUNBUNCHER
09-23-2009, 09:35 AM
Doesn't Haley have like five SB rings??

And I just looked it up, who knew Kevin Greene has 160 career sacks!! That's 3rd alltime in NFL history.

About time for ole Kev to get fitted for that mustard jacket....

senormysterioso
09-23-2009, 12:04 PM
Doesn't Haley have like five SB rings??

And I just looked it up, who knew Kevin Greene has 160 career sacks!! That's 3rd alltime in NFL history.

About time for ole Kev to get fitted for that mustard jacket....

he should grow his hair out until they put him in the hall of fame

Halsey
09-23-2009, 01:32 PM
These ridiculous debates are why I don't care much for the HoF. Arguments like "he never won a big game" because a guy never played in a Super Bowl are ridiculous. Should Barry Sanders be left out then? What about Tony Gonzalez? The problem is the whole limit thing. 6 a year is dumb. The only reason they do that is because it gets people debating and talking which means more media coverage. If a guy's a HoFer he's a HoFer. There's no need for a limit. There have been thousands and thousands of people who have contributed to pro football over the decades. The idea that more than 6 a year will 'water it down' is nonsense that the media came up with so that they can keep having debates that get people to watch and listen.

dpl85
09-23-2009, 01:51 PM
You mean except for the guy he stabbed in the neck, right? He probably doesn't love or respect Irvin.
He shouldn't have cut in line to get his hair cut. Michael had seniority lol. Sounds like somebody's read boys will be boys. But seriously who among us hasn't stabbed someone over who gets a haircut first. I joke about it but that insane OCD competitiveness that sometimes bordered on psychotic is also what made him a great player and the most integral member of that team that won 3 rings.

FUNBUNCHER
09-23-2009, 03:07 PM
He shouldn't have cut in line to get his hair cut. Michael had seniority lol. Sounds like somebody's read boys will be boys. But seriously who among us hasn't stabbed someone over who gets a haircut first. I joke about it but that insane OCD competitiveness that sometimes bordered on psychotic is also what made him a great player and the most integral member of that team that won 3 rings.

Spoken like a true Cowyboys fan. If Irvin had tried to stab me in the neck over a stupide haircut, one of us would be on life support somewhere in a DFW ER.

The only pass I can give him is I believe Irvin was deep into his coke habit at the time.

scottyboy
09-23-2009, 03:22 PM
why is jessie armstead not in yet? boo!

keylime_5
09-23-2009, 03:27 PM
How is Taglibu not a lock for the first ballot?

hope he doesnt get in for a long time for all i care

JT Jag
09-23-2009, 05:14 PM
I wish Tony Boselli hadn't got injured like he did. I honestly haven't seen an offensive lineman as dominant as he was from 1995 to 2000. If he had played until 2004 he'd be a Hall of Fame lock.

Raiderz4Life
09-24-2009, 01:42 AM
Spoken like a true Cowyboys fan. If Irvin had tried to stab me in the neck over a stupide haircut, one of us would be on life support somewhere in a DFW ER.

The only pass I can give him is I believe Irvin was deep into his coke habit at the time.

Lemme take a wild guess as to who would be the dumbass in the ER.....

yo123
09-24-2009, 02:26 AM
And he lost almost all of them.


But to blame that on a single receiver isn't really fair. I'd argue that it isn't fair for any position, but receiver is definitely not a position that is going to singlehandedly lead you to championships.