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Paranoidmoonduck
09-27-2009, 11:36 PM
I figured it was time to replace the old Literature thread with something new and fresh. What's everyone reading these days?

Some recent additions to my bookshelf...

http://scooterchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo.jpg
Good, but not great. Then again, I think most contemporary mystery/thriller stuff is crap, so perhaps this was great by comparison to its genre. Well written, but not well written enough to make me want to read the sequel.

http://www.thaindian.com/images/adiga.jpg
A really excellent book. It's rare that a novel about the contemporary status of a country manages to not lean on social value for its validity. This book manages to.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/c0/c2823.jpg
I got to consolidate my various JLB books into one nice collection, which I am now currently reading through in its entirety. Anyone who hasn't read Borges should.

And, because I can't get enough Borges...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_zXtFg1D8MAA/SGKfV1-uQ0I/AAAAAAAAACU/QvvxLdD_XW4/s200/sis.jpg
Because Peter Sis and Borges are both awesome and so are mythological creatures.

A Perfect Score
09-27-2009, 11:43 PM
http://rgr-static1.tangentlabs.co.uk/media/9780679756453/portnoys-complaint.jpg

Just started this for a class yesterday. So far, it has its moments, but I cant say Im a huge fan of the style.

http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairballs/Front%20cover%20For%20Whom%20the%20bell%20Tolls.jp g

Read this of my own choosing. What to say about Hemingway that hasnt already been said? He pioneered minimalist writing and has influenced countless authors.

http://www.citypaper.com/sb/150036/books_death.jpg

Jose Saramago may be the best author you have never heard of. I love all of his work, and his newest novel didnt disappoint. Its set in a world where people suddenly stop dying. Excellent book.

ElectricEye
09-27-2009, 11:47 PM
http://16.media.tumblr.com/34GrgyzUs615tnneH60LvrJz_400.jpg

Was about to go read this. Hundred or so pages in.

RyanLeafWasGood
09-27-2009, 11:49 PM
http://sirjorge.com/booksightings/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/twilight_book_cover.jpg

Really good book no lie.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-27-2009, 11:49 PM
http://sirjorge.com/booksightings/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/twilight_book_cover.jpg

Really good book no lie.

Go away please.

ElectricEye
09-27-2009, 11:50 PM
http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/e/e5/DoubleFacepalmRickerPicard.jpg

Thumper
09-27-2009, 11:51 PM
Anyone read Looking for Alaska? I just started.

aNYtitan
09-28-2009, 12:05 AM
http://9.media.tumblr.com/7zEaEvuV2n6xmg8fu8oTamsDo1_400.jpg
This was the last book I was able to read, and it was great. I just haven't had the time to, or just read the NY times instead.

tEk
09-28-2009, 12:22 AM
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n36/n182834.jpg
just finished it, quite a good read, entertaining the entire time... no lag in the action.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-28-2009, 12:37 AM
Oh, a few I forgot (these are much more boring)...

http://www.afscbooks.com/images/978156656685.jpg

http://www.cmi.ac.in/~sdatta/My%20Precious/Images/370.jpg

Chucky
09-28-2009, 12:47 AM
Oh, a few I forgot (these are much more boring)...

http://www.afscbooks.com/images/978156656685.jpg



How is this. I generally can not go near any books written about the Middle East as their is way too much bias and misinformation(from both sides) to gain anything from what is written.

Also I just finished this.

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14870000/14875662.JPG

A must read for anyone interested in linguistics

Forenci
09-28-2009, 01:02 AM
Anything by Walter Dean Myers is pretty awesome.

Fallen Angels was probably my favorite by him. It was pretty intense and at the same time had some comical moments to it. Excellent book.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-28-2009, 01:03 AM
How is this. I generally can not go near any books written about the Middle East as their is way too much bias and misinformation(from both sides) to gain anything from what is written.


I thought it was really well balanced. Granted, Bennis doesn't delve very deeply into the larger social factors of the Israeli position (he does address the more recent developments) and he definitely takes the side of the Palestinians on most issues. That said, most people who take a close look at the situation are of the same mind.

Even if you ignore Bennis' obvious distaste for how Israel has acted (which I'm probably making too big a deal out of; the book is 99% just facts), it was the the most upfront and clear voiced analysis I've read. I wish he had delved into Jordan's role a little bit more, but it's a really short book.

Raiderz4Life
09-28-2009, 01:28 AM
We're reading this in my English 100 class:

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv177/scmenace18/39874768.jpg

It's a surprisingly good book.....its not a story per say but a bunch of essays and pasages from other literary works but it's actually pretty good.

and this one i really liked....i havent seen the movie though

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv177/scmenace18/n227173.jpg

yourfavestoner
09-28-2009, 01:31 AM
http://www.briankim.net/images/tagr.gif

Staubach12
09-28-2009, 01:59 AM
http://16.media.tumblr.com/34GrgyzUs615tnneH60LvrJz_400.jpg

Was about to go read this. Hundred or so pages in.

I'm reading that right now, too. It's pretty good. Very funny.

vidae
09-28-2009, 02:06 AM
Just finished reading Ender's Game again. Very good book.

themaninblack
09-28-2009, 02:41 AM
I'm actually reading The Soloist at the moment and it is fantastic.

Snorlax1
09-28-2009, 03:02 AM
Was just about to write nice message to paranoid about reading Kierkegaard, but then I scrolled up to check who it was again and noticed he said it was boring. :( Kierkegaard is a hoss. father of existentialism.

Anyway, reading at the moment:
http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/85/36/e0d4a2c008a0441d31e75010._AA240_.L.jpg

Haven't read much on value investing, but most of the points presented in this '91 classic are rather pretty obvious. The man is a legend, but this book is no where near its going price, 500-2000 dollars, and it is interesting it is so famous.

Next planned read is probably:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2198/2235888637_3535f43574.jpg

JFLO
09-28-2009, 06:25 AM
http://www.shawnswaner.com/content/binary/image001.gif

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0140437509.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The Unseen
09-28-2009, 07:52 AM
Also I just finished this.

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/14870000/14875662.JPG

A must read for anyone interested in linguistics

Ooh yeah, that book is really really important. I haven't read it, and by what I've heard the specific views laid out in that book have been repudiated and revamped by Chomsky himself, but it's basic message about the important of syntax and the existence of underlying language has been massively influential to linguistics and behavioral sciences.

OSUGiants17
09-28-2009, 11:45 AM
http://9.media.tumblr.com/7zEaEvuV2n6xmg8fu8oTamsDo1_400.jpg
This was the last book I was able to read, and it was great. I just haven't had the time to, or just read the NY times instead.

That book was great. I just finished Michael Moore's new book "Fool", it was great.

TitleTown088
09-28-2009, 01:26 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515XvPTna2L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

http://i.biblio.com/z/666/536/9780075536666.jpg

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
09-28-2009, 02:18 PM
http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n28/n143610.jpg

awfullyquiet
09-28-2009, 02:46 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GQdThOU%2BL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/13980000/13985169.JPG

Hawk
09-28-2009, 03:27 PM
http://www.brucefeldman.com/meatmarket_230w.jpg

http://images-cdn01.associatedcontent.com/image/A1561/15619/300_15619.jpg

CashmoneyDrew
09-28-2009, 03:28 PM
http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows.jpg

I actually bought this book as soon as it came out, but just finished reading it in August.

Eaglez.Fan
09-28-2009, 03:31 PM
http://www.briankim.net/images/tagr.gif

Great book.

Right now I'm reading fight club.

TitleTown088
09-28-2009, 04:57 PM
http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/harry-potter-and-the-deathly-hallows.jpg

I actually bought this book as soon as it came out, but just finished reading it in August.

I loath Harry potter books with every fiber of my being.

CashmoneyDrew
09-28-2009, 05:14 PM
I loath Harry potter books with every fiber of my being.

They are excellent and magical and take me to a world filled with unicorns that sometimes have two horns.

Shahin
09-28-2009, 05:36 PM
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bestsellers-2006/454-1.jpg

CashmoneyDrew
09-28-2009, 05:42 PM
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bestsellers-2006/454-1.jpg

Did you read this in between spanking your frat boy pledges and committing sexual acts with a goat?


:p

Shahin
09-28-2009, 05:50 PM
haha, no. but that book is hilarious.

Brent
09-28-2009, 07:46 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FIrn1W%2BKL._SS500_.jpg

I read this when I was 14, and now I am re-reading it. I love this book.

ElectricEye
09-28-2009, 08:29 PM
I'm reading that right now, too. It's pretty good. Very funny.

Yeah, I'm digging it. I don't usually read books with a sense of humor or in that entire southern gothic(although not exactly) type setting, but it's a nice change of pace.

Something I finished earlier this week:
http://ebooks-imgs.connect.com/ebooks/product/400/000/000/000/000/048/316/400000000000000048316_s4.jpg

Really good read.

Xonraider
09-28-2009, 09:48 PM
http://www.brucefeldman.com/meatmarket_230w.jpg

That book looks awesome, did you enjoy it? Would you recommend it?

fischbowl
09-29-2009, 11:51 AM
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080703/25books/bright-big_l.jpg

Hawk
09-29-2009, 12:02 PM
That book looks awesome, did you enjoy it? Would you recommend it?

Oh yeah it was a great book. Really cool if you're into following recruiting and how everything goes down behind the scenes. They're are plenty of funny moments with Coach O.

awfullyquiet
09-29-2009, 12:03 PM
haha, no. but that book is hilarious.

no its not. tucker max is exactly the misogynistic douchebag the world needs less of. not more of. don't listen to his lies and his drunken rambling of 'how to be like me'.

he has no conscious, he has no soul, and makes the world less safe for women who are prone to be taken advantage of by said douchebag and people who aspire to be him by reading his blatently sexist propaganda. tucker max did it, it's probably okay, he wrote in a book and he's not in jail. it's probably not that bad, no one really cares.

but they do, because men don't understand how to listen to a damn thing. no means no.

propagating the rape culture is awful. and i hope he is wiped clean off the face of the earth and his kind, the people who think he's so cool, so edgy, so awesome, along with him.

i'm sorry i had to bring this in here. i cannot let that pass though. tucker max is the complete opposite of awesome.

swordman
09-29-2009, 03:30 PM
I figured it was time to replace the old Literature thread with something new and fresh. What's everyone reading these days?

Some recent additions to my bookshelf...

http://scooterchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/girl-with-the-dragon-tattoo.jpg
Good, but not great. Then again, I think most contemporary mystery/thriller stuff is crap, so perhaps this was great by comparison to its genre. Well written, but not well written enough to make me want to read the sequel.


That is excactly my opinion and it was also refreshing to read a book in sweden and not in the US as always I learned a few about swedish culture and that you don't mess with the dragon-tattoo girl




http://9.media.tumblr.com/7zEaEvuV2n6xmg8fu8oTamsDo1_400.jpg
This was the last book I was able to read, and it was great. I just haven't had the time to, or just read the NY times instead.


That book is awesome the true story of michael Oher It is amazing!!
That book was great. I just finished Michael Moore's new book "Fool", it was great.

you mean christopher moore right? I read few of his books they were alla awesome and two are shipping as we speak

For those who like noir books about a badass criminal with morals with back-alley ambiance i suppose the burke novels by andrew vachss there s 18 books (independent books you can read only one and have a full story) and they are awesome!!!

I also recommend a song of ice and fire by Gearoge RR Martin It's fantasy but kinda realistic with a few fantastic point and it is amazing!

the book I a currently reading (for the fourth time...)

http://extra.listverse.com/amazon/dystopiannovels/runningman.jpg

It was the base of a schwarzie movie but the movie sucks and the only thing in common is the title and the name of the characters that's it.
The book is absolutely marvelous: in a dystopian future the hero is forced to "play" at a TV-show where he is hunted till death It is absolutely GREAT and the ending is awesome!

READ IT!

yourfavestoner
09-29-2009, 03:35 PM
no its not. tucker max is exactly the misogynistic douchebag the world needs less of. not more of. don't listen to his lies and his drunken rambling of 'how to be like me'.

he has no conscious, he has no soul, and makes the world less safe for women who are prone to be taken advantage of by said douchebag and people who aspire to be him by reading his blatently sexist propaganda. tucker max did it, it's probably okay, he wrote in a book and he's not in jail. it's probably not that bad, no one really cares.

but they do, because men don't understand how to listen to a damn thing. no means no.

propagating the rape culture is awful. and i hope he is wiped clean off the face of the earth and his kind, the people who think he's so cool, so edgy, so awesome, along with him.

i'm sorry i had to bring this in here. i cannot let that pass though. tucker max is the complete opposite of awesome.

Propagating the rape culture huh? Care to explain that one?

swordman
09-29-2009, 03:38 PM
no its not. tucker max is exactly the misogynistic douchebag the world needs less of. not more of. don't listen to his lies and his drunken rambling of 'how to be like me'.

he has no conscious, he has no soul, and makes the world less safe for women who are prone to be taken advantage of by said douchebag and people who aspire to be him by reading his blatently sexist propaganda. tucker max did it, it's probably okay, he wrote in a book and he's not in jail. it's probably not that bad, no one really cares.

but they do, because men don't understand how to listen to a damn thing. no means no.

propagating the rape culture is awful. and i hope he is wiped clean off the face of the earth and his kind, the people who think he's so cool, so edgy, so awesome, along with him.

i'm sorry i had to bring this in here. i cannot let that pass though. tucker max is the complete opposite of awesome.

It is funny to read but to think some things as things he actually done....The guy is definitely a douchebag...a big one...I would enjoy it more if I knew it was fiction...

awfullyquiet
09-29-2009, 04:00 PM
Propagating the rape culture huh? Care to explain that one?

that rape albeit wrong, isn't defensible because men don't trust women. 'she was asking for it' defense is used a lot.

it's the entire premise of Max Tucker. She was asking to get drunk, and ergo, asking for me to have non-consensual sex with him.

Its the presuppositions of blame. Victims of rape get blamed a lot, when, in reality, there is no necessity to do that once people take accountability for their actions.

There is no accountability in the case of Tucker Max, or many other men.

Dr. Gonzo
09-29-2009, 04:14 PM
that rape albeit wrong, isn't defensible because men don't trust women. 'she was asking for it' defense is used a lot.

it's the entire premise of Max Tucker. She was asking to get drunk, and ergo, asking for me to have non-consensual sex with him.

Its the presuppositions of blame. Victims of rape get blamed a lot, when, in reality, there is no necessity to do that once people take accountability for their actions.

There is no accountability in the case of Tucker Max, or many other men.

So it is his fault girls get drunk and he takes advantage of them? What he takes about doing certainly isn't very moral but at I don't think he has ever raped anyone. Of course he is only telling his side of the story but I haven't heard of him ever getting charged with rape at any point. What he does is very prickish but if I girl gets drunk and decides to have sex with him I would not call that him propagating the rape culture.

Shahin
09-29-2009, 04:54 PM
no its not. tucker max is exactly the misogynistic douchebag the world needs less of. not more of. don't listen to his lies and his drunken rambling of 'how to be like me'.

he has no conscious, he has no soul, and makes the world less safe for women who are prone to be taken advantage of by said douchebag and people who aspire to be him by reading his blatently sexist propaganda. tucker max did it, it's probably okay, he wrote in a book and he's not in jail. it's probably not that bad, no one really cares.

but they do, because men don't understand how to listen to a damn thing. no means no.

propagating the rape culture is awful. and i hope he is wiped clean off the face of the earth and his kind, the people who think he's so cool, so edgy, so awesome, along with him.

i'm sorry i had to bring this in here. i cannot let that pass though. tucker max is the complete opposite of awesome.
http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/politics/images/%27Sorry%27AirWriting(by-michael_davies-onFlickr).jpg

P-L
09-29-2009, 04:55 PM
I still think a lot of Tucker Max's stories, although based on true events, are greatly exaggerated.

awfullyquiet
09-29-2009, 05:06 PM
So it is his fault girls get drunk and he takes advantage of them? What he takes about doing certainly isn't very moral but at I don't think he has ever raped anyone. Of course he is only telling his side of the story but I haven't heard of him ever getting charged with rape at any point. What he does is very prickish but if I girl gets drunk and decides to have sex with him I would not call that him propagating the rape culture.

Imbibing a girl until she's unable to actually consent.
Is that or is that not rape?

Is that what he does?
Yes.

http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/showpost.php?p=867146&postcount=134

BUT WAIT! THERES MORE.

The entire concept of him trying to edge and skirt the line of 'what consent really is' is disgusting. He's a ******* lawyer. He's enjoying his time ******* people over for calling him what he really is. Some dude who inches closer and closer to what is really rape.

The objectification he makes of women not as people (*COUGH LIKE MYSELF*) but as just orifices regardless of consequence (and rules that he can bend), is sicking, revolting, and awful. his perception of women, i believe is shared, and enjoyed by many, many people. and i cannot stand by and say, i enjoy being called a *****, a ****, or a ***** by men. and yet, this is what he espouses. once you break it into mens mind that women 'are' said things, the next step is easy.

"88 percent of men who reported an assault that met the legal definition of rape were adamant that they had not raped." (some university of texas study)

The subconsciousness of what men perceive to be rape, and what it is legally, are two VERY separate instances.

Of course, anyone who speaks up is a dumb fat ******* feminist anyway to him as bad as rapists anyway for calling him one. The entire **** is just ridiculous. And this isn't really the proper forum. But if you for one second think that anything in that book is remotely close to 'man, that's totally cool'. you are so ******* full of fail. exaggerated or not, the line is there, and a bunch of ******** men are going to cross it, rape innocent women, and not go to jail.

I will cave and say, yeah, it's freedom of speech. Doesn't make him any less of a douchebag than white supremacist. Wait. His fans are racist too?

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/

awfullyquiet
09-29-2009, 05:57 PM
anyway. i'm supplementing my current reading with a dash of

http://2.media.tumblr.com/PwZbCHeeaibs35y8E6yP0reHo1_400.jpg

because he's that awesome.

ElectricEye
09-29-2009, 06:03 PM
anyway. i'm supplementing my current reading with a dash of

http://2.media.tumblr.com/PwZbCHeeaibs35y8E6yP0reHo1_400.jpg

because he's that awesome.

I'm considering picking up a copy of that.

awfullyquiet
09-29-2009, 06:07 PM
i'd like to think, on my list of top mccarthy books, that'd be number two or three. (with one being all the pretty horses and two being suttree. this is right there with suttree imo)

Funny that most of his books get put into movies. Could just be the way he writes.

Brent
09-29-2009, 07:32 PM
I still think a lot of Tucker Max's stories, although based on true events, are greatly exaggerated.
I don't buy that much of what he says is true. I think it's about 95% ********.

tjsunstein
09-29-2009, 08:31 PM
This thread is being littered with non-sense spat out by Tucker Max. I'd agree with Brent about the only things being true are names for the most part and places if that.

I'm not much of a reader but my friend recommended Lone Survivor by Marcus Luttrell.

http://70.90.99.21:89/classwebpages/grade6homepage/portfoliowebpages09/6A/gradyportfolio/images/lone%20survivor.jpg

Raiderz4Life
09-29-2009, 08:37 PM
No lie but Awfullyquiet and her arguments have intrigued my curiosity on Tucker Max.....now i kinda feel the urge to pick up one of his books and see what this is all about....

49ersfan_87
09-29-2009, 09:24 PM
I'm reading the Epic of Gilgamesh for my ancient literature class.

JFLO
09-29-2009, 09:27 PM
No lie but Awfullyquiet and her arguments have intrigued my curiosity on Tucker Max.....now i kinda feel the urge to pick up one of his books and see what this is all about....

I think someone that "claims" to be a douche bag, is a douche bag because he's trying to be a douche bag.

Raiderz4Life
09-29-2009, 09:38 PM
I think someone that "claims" to be a douche bag, is a douche bag because he's trying to be a douche bag.

Well I already that conclusion....but I want to see whats in the middle like all the meat.

I've come to the conclusion that, everythings been done, beginnings and endings are predictable for the most part....what sets books and movies too apart from eac other is what is inbetween the beginning and end.

Job
09-29-2009, 09:39 PM
This is awesome.
http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51JC16SbZyL._SS500_.jpg

As is Brodeck's Report.
http://images.contentreserve.com/ImageType-100/0111-1/%7B8EAA66BE-AC84-4612-8D72-201E4326F2D2%7DImg100.jpg

And, of course, this :
http://billzquared.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/brave-new-world.jpg


Also, if you can somehow get a hand on it, "Provincetown Playhouse, july 1919" is possibly the best play I've ever read.

Note that if you understand french you're probably better off reading the play and the first two novels in their original version.

Raiderz4Life
09-29-2009, 09:53 PM
I didn't like BNW....maybe they just assigned it to us he worst year...senior year

ElectricEye
09-29-2009, 09:56 PM
I loved Brave New World. Didn't read it for a class though. As much as I love 1984, it's a better book.

Raiderz4Life
09-29-2009, 10:01 PM
I loved Brave New World. Didn't read it for a class though. As much as I love 1984, it's a better book.

I mean it was a good book i guess, but knowing that Imma be tested on it and stuff made it a turn off. I dont like to be forced to read anything....i nevr got past chapter 10 though

A Perfect Score
09-29-2009, 10:26 PM
I enjoyed the scientific aspect of BNW and the examination of a society that it gave, but I just despised all the characters so much. I dont know, I always found it to be one of those books you appreciate more then enjoy.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-29-2009, 11:37 PM
Huxley is a pretty strange writer; Brave New World would probably have to be considered one of his more accessible works. It's definitely one of the monumental dystopian works to date.

I read Tucker Max's book while in the midst of a horrible fever (I don't exactly recall how that came to pass, but it did) and came away with two impressions. First off, there's no way the Tucker Max in the book is an honest representation of the writer and second, while the writing isn't bad, the subject matter is mostly utterly reprehensible. The book is basically a relatively eloquent version of "Dude, remember that one time..." with all the bravado that usually accompanies such things.

The Unseen
09-30-2009, 12:25 AM
No lie but Awfullyquiet and her arguments have intrigued my curiosity on Tucker Max.....now i kinda feel the urge to pick up one of his books and see what this is all about....

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call falling for the trap. In the end, Tucker Max don't give a **** why you bought one of his books, just that you bought it.

awfullyquiet
09-30-2009, 08:35 AM
This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call falling for the trap. In the end, Tucker Max don't give a **** why you bought one of his books, just that you bought it.

Typhoid Mary? Meet Chlamydia Max.

on BNW

The more I look back on 1984, the more it frightens me. I think BNW is the better book, but the presentation of characters in 1984 and the power of doublethink is absolutely phenomenal.

ironman4579
09-30-2009, 08:49 AM
http://matthiashamann.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/shake-hands-with-the-devil-book8x6.png


Just finished reading this for about the fifth time. It's an excellent book, and really shows how truly useless the UN is in actually dealing with anything, rather than just talking about dealing with it.

ElectricEye
09-30-2009, 09:15 AM
The more I look back on 1984, the more it frightens me. I think BNW is the better book, but the presentation of characters in 1984 and the power of doublethink is absolutely phenomenal.

I will give that 1984 is slightly more scary in the sense that the people and the world they live in are more human than Brave New World, so it's easier to emphasize with.

ironman4579
09-30-2009, 09:17 AM
I will give that 1984 is slightly more scary in the sense that the people and the world they live in are more human than Brave New World, so it's easier to emphasize with.

Or empathize even..........................

ElectricEye
09-30-2009, 09:24 AM
Or empathize even..........................

****. I'm tired. That's really ironic though haha.

Just finished Dunces last night. I really enjoyed the way things were wrapped up. Really rewarding read for something I just sort of picked up. I have nothing to read now though :( Lot's of free time this week as well. A trip to the bookstore is probably in order.

yourfavestoner
09-30-2009, 11:38 AM
Imbibing a girl until she's unable to actually consent.
Is that or is that not rape?

Is that what he does?
Yes.

http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/showpost.php?p=867146&postcount=134

BUT WAIT! THERES MORE.

The entire concept of him trying to edge and skirt the line of 'what consent really is' is disgusting. He's a ******* lawyer. He's enjoying his time ******* people over for calling him what he really is. Some dude who inches closer and closer to what is really rape.


The objectification he makes of women not as people (*COUGH LIKE MYSELF*) but as just orifices regardless of consequence (and rules that he can bend), is sicking, revolting, and awful. his perception of women, i believe is shared, and enjoyed by many, many people.

and i cannot stand by and say, i enjoy being called a *****, a ****, or a ***** by men. and yet, this is what he espouses. once you break it into mens mind that women 'are' said things, the next step is easy.

"88 percent of men who reported an assault that met the legal definition of rape were adamant that they had not raped." (some university of texas study)

The subconsciousness of what men perceive to be rape, and what it is legally, are two VERY separate instances.

Of course, anyone who speaks up is a dumb fat ******* feminist anyway to him as bad as rapists anyway for calling him one. The entire **** is just ridiculous. And this isn't really the proper forum. But if you for one second think that anything in that book is remotely close to 'man, that's totally cool'. you are so ******* full of fail. exaggerated or not, the line is there, and a bunch of ******** men are going to cross it, rape innocent women, and not go to jail.

I will cave and say, yeah, it's freedom of speech. Doesn't make him any less of a douchebag than white supremacist. Wait. His fans are racist too?

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/sexist/2009/09/15/tucker-max-fans-fight-rape-with-racism/

The link you posted shows one messageboard post, and the link to the provided article is dead.

You're way overboard on this. Having sex with a drunk chick is rape? That's news to me. There's a difference between having sex with a flooz who loses her inhibitions when she's drunk and raping an unresponsive, comatose girl. Huge difference.

This is the biggest beef I have with your entire outlook on men and women. To you, women are nothing but victims in this big, bad misogynistic world. If women don't want to be treated like objects, well damn, they should stop objectifying THEMSELVES. Women receive the exact amount of respect from men that they demand. If they act like floozies, dress up like whores for attention and validation, and get drunk so they can have sex and not feel guilty about it, then whose fault is that? It's men's fault for making them do it right? Conversely, if a guy wakes up in the morning next to some beast of a woman who he would never have sex with if in a sober state, then whose fault is that? Did the woman take advantage of the man in that instance? No, it's just deemed as poor judgment.

awfullyquiet
09-30-2009, 12:49 PM
If women don't want to be treated like objects, well damn, they should stop objectifying THEMSELVES.

You think I disagree with this or something? My contempt for women is only superseded by my contempt for men.

Of course. Its OUR FAULT we're objectified, not the people doing the objectification. It's our fault we dress the way we do to elicit male attention, 'because our gender is hardwired for whoredom'. Its so easy to put the hat on us and tell us to change. Tell me, what have men done that's so inspiring in taking care of woman in todays frat-boy society? Where's the validation for women who aren't floozies or tramps? I can tell you the picking is shallow as can be.

W/e. I know the concept is lost on many, many, many men. But until you know the struggles of being a woman which aren't paralleled by being a man, the advantages people try to take of you because you're a woman, it will continue to be lost.

And. Since we're referring to you in this situation. Lets talk california. KTHX?

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/261.html

(a) Rape is an act of sexual intercourse accomplished with a
person not the spouse of the perpetrator, under any of the following
circumstances:
(3) Where a person is prevented from resisting by any intoxicating
or anesthetic substance, or any controlled substance, and this
condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the
accused.

too drunk to speak correctly.

there's SO MUCH GREY AREA between "a flooz who loses her inhibitions when she's drunk and raping an unresponsive, comatose girl." Huge difference. Sure, when it's black and white, there's an easy choice to be made. What about in the grey area?

sure, there's a time and a place for drunk sex. after consent has been reached. most of the time it hasn't been 'consented', but only assumed. meh, she's drunk, she won't care, she was asking for it, and she's kinda a floozy for getting really drunk. how often have i seen guys pegging which of the sloshed girls he's going to try to pick up and take home? lots. men do not have the rational capability, when they're drunk, to objectively think 'hey, does she really want to do this?'. no, the only thing on their mind is, where do i sign up.

I think you're saying that women are consciously making the decision to get drunk so they won't feel bad about 'having wild and drunk consensual sex'. I think if you believe all sex is consensual in situations like that, you're blind as hell. Women become targets when they drink. So women adapted, brought friends, and designated drivers. Men adapted, brought 'wingmen' and scurried the friends off, to leave the man with the most vulnerable one. I don't know if you've been drunk before YFS, but your cognitive skills are impaired. Do you expect everyone who goes out thinks that, man, i want to get laid, so i'm going to get shitfaced so i don't feel bad about who I have sex with tonight? or is it more, i want to go out, get sloshed with my friends, have fun, and enjoy the rest of my night? i can tell you, for as many times as i've had one too many drinks, the moment that happens, you have guys trying to take you home, even when it's not your intention for that evening.

i'm not denying women do the former, but, men, for the most part don't care about the why, they care about the what. and the what is their deep seated desire to feel better about themselves by putting more notches in their headboard. yes, it is ambiguious, but, men take no care or concern for the law, and yes, it takes alcohol for them to fuel that iron resolve of, no, it isn't rape, yes, she consented (i think), no i didn't take advantage of her. no i'm not going to call her again, it was just a... 'thing'.

I hate the fact that I can't actually have more than a drink or two in public without fear that some guy is going to try to get me to have sex with him, because i'm drunk. It's unnerving, unreasonable, and misogynistic.

slightlyaraiderfan
09-30-2009, 12:59 PM
currently reading this

http://josephmallozzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/girlfriend-in-a-coma.jpg

awfullyquiet
09-30-2009, 01:01 PM
Never read Coupland.

I'm assuming it's not bad work. Correct?

Has anyone ever read anything by Richard Powers?

ironman4579
09-30-2009, 01:15 PM
I hate the fact that I can't actually have more than a drink or two in public without fear that some guy is going to try to get me to have sex with him, because i'm drunk. It's unnerving, unreasonable, and misogynistic.

I'm not going to quote the whole post here. First off, let me say that I basically agree with you AQ.

I would however like to make one point, and that is this. Most women seem to lack common sense in one key area. And the area is friendship. Let me just say this now. Pass it on to your friends.

If you have a straight guy friend who is single (or possibly not), and you are even halfway decent looking, he will bang you. He wants to bang you. He's thought about banging you. If he sees the slightest opportunity to bang you, he will bang you.

And the problem is, women don't seem to see this. How many of you guys have been dating a girl who meets a new guy "friend" who she thinks is so nice and sweet, and is just her friend, and isn't interested in banging her. You tell her he just wants to bang her, but she can't possibly imagine this is the case. And then he makes a move, she shuts him down, and then she can't figure out why he turned into such an asshat?

And then these are the people you go to the bar with. The "good guy" "good friend" who would never take advantage of you. And then when he makes a move, you guys are shocked. And when you wake up next to him, you still can't believe it happened. And then when he's an asshat afterwards, you are even more astounded.

So in summation, every straight guy you know will bang you if given a chance, guys are mostly asshats with a few decent ones sprinkled in (I like to think of myself as one of those, but my fiance is ridiculously pissed at me, so what do I know), and if you realize this, you may not be put into completely awkward situations as often.

That said, we suck, and we know we do.

awfullyquiet
09-30-2009, 01:37 PM
What's the base of the problem?

The same thread that runs through literature.

Mens inability to separate themselves from their dicks.

Brent
09-30-2009, 03:08 PM
Mens inability to separate themselves from their dicks.
I'm sorry, what were you saying? Something about wiener-envy? :D

TitleTown088
09-30-2009, 03:33 PM
Mens inability to separate themselves from their dicks.

And womens inability to separate themselves from their emotions. ;)

awfullyquiet
09-30-2009, 03:50 PM
And womens inability to separate themselves from their emotions. ;)

the latter doesn't effect men physically though.

Raiderz4Life
09-30-2009, 04:50 PM
I Dont Think/Know that I Suck 8(

Splat
09-30-2009, 05:00 PM
I'm getting ready to start reading "Pop" by Gordon Korman its about football sounds good will see.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-30-2009, 06:36 PM
It's unnerving, unreasonable, and misogynistic.

On the contrary, I think it's probably the furthest thing from misogyny that there is.

That said, this isn't really the place to discuss the social ineptitudes of the bar scene as it relates to young Americans and their egos.

ElectricEye
09-30-2009, 07:33 PM
I have an opinion on all of this crap being slung around, but I'm too lazy to back it up with arguments and I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers. Basically; I think that even when alcohol is involved, you need to have personal responsibility. I don't think it's that hard of a concept. If a women is drinking herself(or a man) to the point where you can't comprehend what's going on around you then I'm not going to have any remorse for something happening to them that they didn't intend for. They're putting themselves in that situation.


Anyway, I'm reading Brave New World for like the fourth time now because I'm broke this week and found a copy at a friends house. Haven't read it in a long while though. Should be interesting.

Splat
09-30-2009, 08:35 PM
I'm getting ready to start reading "Pop" by Gordon Korman its about football sounds good will see.

So far so good.

ironman4579
09-30-2009, 08:59 PM
I'm getting ready to start reading "Pop" by Gordon Korman its about football sounds good will see.

I swear, I only read this in the quotes above, and thought that the book was called "Pop" and was about football sounds.

CJSchneider
09-30-2009, 09:13 PM
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/61858/2/istockphoto_61858-red-pen.jpg

Just make sure I get this back, Okay.

yourfavestoner
09-30-2009, 09:36 PM
And womens inability to separate themselves from their emotions. ;)

Winner winner, chicken dinner.

JT Jag
09-30-2009, 09:38 PM
The Dresden Files. Full stop. Best modern fantasy series I've ever read.

ElectricEye
09-30-2009, 09:42 PM
The Dresden Files. Full stop. Best modern fantasy series I've ever read.

I tried those. I was like a hundred or so pages into the first one it and I really, really hated it. The fact I later found out the author is a big promoter of LARPING completely killed it for me.

JT Jag
09-30-2009, 10:41 PM
I tried those. I was like a hundred or so pages into the first one it and I really, really hated it. The fact I later found out the author is a big promoter of LARPING completely killed it for me.The first book is probably the worst one. It steadily gets more AWESOME as the series wears on.

Perhaps the most awesome thing: Resurrecting the T-Rex skeleton that can be found the Field Museum in Chicago (yes, THAT T-Rex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_the_dinosaur)), riding it into downtown Chicago and using it to stop the necromantic apocalypse.

hobbes2053
09-30-2009, 10:50 PM
Reading this for class:
http://rfplreads.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/a-hope-in-the-unseen.jpg

Reading this for myself:
http://ignorantjesse.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/women.jpg

ironman4579
09-30-2009, 11:03 PM
I tried those. I was like a hundred or so pages into the first one it and I really, really hated it. The fact I later found out the author is a big promoter of LARPING completely killed it for me.

I don't know, maybe he's on to something..............

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/4/23/633760761831658540-larp.jpg

Seriously though, I finished reading this awhile ago.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0575084170.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

It's probably the best, or at least among the best, military fantasy around. Older though, written back in the mid 80's. Not groundbreaking by any means, but entertaining IMO.

fischbowl
09-30-2009, 11:18 PM
http://0utsidetheframe.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/lessthanzero.png

Talk about human depravity.......

Job
09-30-2009, 11:20 PM
The first book is probably the worst one. It steadily gets more AWESOME as the series wears on.

Perhaps the most awesome thing: Resurrecting the T-Rex skeleton that can be found the Field Museum in Chicago (yes, THAT T-Rex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sue_the_dinosaur)), riding it into downtown Chicago and using it to stop the necromantic apocalypse.

From what you're saying, it sounds absolutely dreadful.

Raiderz4Life
10-01-2009, 01:33 AM
Has anyone read anything from Sherrilyn Kenyon?

Hollywood
10-01-2009, 01:43 AM
http://0utsidetheframe.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/lessthanzero.png

Talk about human depravity.......

That's a cool cover that I hadn't seen before. Anyway I ******* love this book, BEE is one of my all time favorite authors and Less Than Zero is filled with some amazing moments. To me no other book has ever understood depression so well, if that makes any sense...

His next book due out in a year or so is a sequel of Less Than Zero, btw.

ElectricEye
10-01-2009, 01:47 AM
From what you're saying, it sounds absolutely dreadful.

Beyond the plot, from what I read, the writing was as bad as I've seen in a published novel. It was glorified fan-fiction quality. I know a lot of people love those books, and I don't mean to be a jerk about it, but it was excruciating.

Shahin
10-01-2009, 03:48 AM
No lie but Awfullyquiet and her arguments have intrigued my curiosity on Tucker Max.....now i kinda feel the urge to pick up one of his books and see what this is all about....

you should. hilarious.

JT Jag
10-01-2009, 09:10 AM
From what you're saying, it sounds absolutely dreadful.Your mileage may vary. It's essentially a pulp detective novel with explosions and magic.

Splat
10-01-2009, 11:02 AM
I'm getting ready to start reading "Pop" by Gordon Korman its about football sounds good will see.

I swear, I only read this in the quotes above, and thought that the book was called "Pop" and was about football sounds.

I should have worded that better the book is called "Pop" because one of the main characters nick name is "The King of Pop" for his hard hits.

Its really a good book its about a high shcool football player who becomes friends with an ex NFL player only he doesn't even know the guy used to play pro ball.

I don't want to give to much away but any one that likes high school football or any football for that matter would like this book.

A Perfect Score
10-01-2009, 12:25 PM
http://0utsidetheframe.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/lessthanzero.png

Talk about human depravity.......

<3 BEE. One of the best authors of this generation IMO, and a great social commentator. Less Then Zero is also my favorite book by him, although I did love The Informers. And if we are speaking of human depravity, the gloriousness of American Psycho knows no comparison. That is some of the most disturbing **** Ive ever read.

Shahin
10-01-2009, 02:49 PM
i'm not denying women do the former, but, men, for the most part don't care about the why, they care about the what. and the what is their deep seated desire to feel better about themselves by putting more notches in their headboard. yes, it is ambiguious, but, men take no care or concern for the law, and yes, it takes alcohol for them to fuel that iron resolve of, no, it isn't rape, yes, she consented (i think), no i didn't take advantage of her. no i'm not going to call her again, it was just a... 'thing'.

I hate the fact that I can't actually have more than a drink or two in public without fear that some guy is going to try to get me to have sex with him, because i'm drunk. It's unnerving, unreasonable, and misogynistic.

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say you're a little overly paranoid and need to relax a bit. there's probably a 90% chance that if you have more than a drink or two some dude is NOT going to try to get you to have sex with him.

i know a lot of bar-hoppin', club-goin' types, and not a single one of them tries to get bitches so ****** up that they are damn near in a comatose. and nothing I read in that book made me think that Tucker Max endorses that. this guy ain't my hero or anything, but it is a funny book any way you look at it.

females make a big show about how they're in control because they're in control because they got *****. well ****, if you don't wanna be labeled a skank then have enough self-control to not let me and a gang of friends run through that. you can't really blame the guy if the girl does say yes, and that is exactly what happens. (90% of the time)


i do not endorse rape of any kind.

i love me some women
im not tryin to piss you off.

jnew76
10-01-2009, 03:01 PM
What's the base of the problem?

Mens inability to separate themselves from their dicks.


OUCH...

Why would any man want to seperate himself from this appendage?

Snorlax1
10-01-2009, 03:17 PM
im 12. where am i?

LizardState
10-07-2009, 11:02 AM
Just finished Inherent Vice by Thomas Pynchon & Road Dogs by the best writer of pulp detective fiction in my lifetime, Elmore Leonard, & I'm halfway through his 80s novel LaBrava.

Leonard brought back protagonist Jack Foley over a decade later from Out of Sight, Foley is the most famous bank robber in the nation having robbed 127 of them. Gotta love his in-jokes too, in one p/o RDs Foley discusses who would play him in a film version of his life, & he disagrees with the choices, saying he would prefer so-&-so, or "maybe George Clooney." LOL, Who do you think played Foley in the film Out of Sight?

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 11:10 AM
Pynchon is so Legit.

Top 5 20th Century Authors?

I'd venture to put him in there.

LizardState
10-07-2009, 11:15 AM
Pynchon is so Legit.

Top 5 20th Century Authors?

I'd venture to put him in there.

Still bogged down in Against the Day, about 2/3rds of the way through its overwhelming 1300 or so pgs..... arrrgghh.

I highly recommend Inherent Vice as a neo-noir/hippy detective novel, it's not just for Pynchon fans only. It's very similar to his late 60s Crying of Lot 49 with the same themes, paranoid conspiracies, secret scieties, rampant sex & drug use, etc. Good times :cool:

A Perfect Score
10-07-2009, 11:28 AM
Pynchon is so Legit.

Top 5 20th Century Authors?

I'd venture to put him in there.

Ive never read Pynchon but I heard hes quite tedious to read. I know a friend of mine tried to read Gravity's Rainbow and found it almost intolerable. Of course, Im sure Ill get around to trying to read some of his stuff at some point or another, but I found that a little discouraging.

Snorlax1
10-07-2009, 11:39 AM
Pynchon is so Legit.

Top 5 20th Century Authors?

I'd venture to put him in there.

Really going out on a limb there... not.

E-Man
10-07-2009, 11:53 AM
I'm reading Dean Koontz' novel Cold Fire right now, and it's really hard to put down. It's an engaging read that seems to get better and better.

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 12:01 PM
Still bogged down in Against the Day, about 2/3rds of the way through its overwhelming 1300 or so pgs..... arrrgghh.

I highly recommend Inherent Vice as a neo-noir/hippy detective novel, it's not just for Pynchon fans only. It's very similar to his late 60s Crying of Lot 49 with the same themes, paranoid conspiracies, secret scieties, rampant sex & drug use, etc. Good times :cool:

And of course, the density makes it go zooooogggg. Pretty much the story of Pynchon, like an action movie, miss a minute, and you can be lost for a long time. Probably on purpose too.

Really going out on a limb there... not.

Really. It's difficult.

Only because 20C is bogged down with: Joyce, Faulkner, Hemmingway, Cather, Woolf, Pynchon, Garcia Marquez, McCarthy, Nabokov, Burroughs, Ellison, Kafka (technically? does Conrad's Lord Jim and Heart of Darkness count in 1900 count?), Dos Passos, Hesse and Borges...

Picking a top five out of them... that's painful to me.

1) Joyce
2) Conrad
3) Faulkner
4) Woolf
5) Pynchon
6) McCarthy
7) Nabokov
8) Kafka
9) Borges
10) Cather
11) Hemmingway
12) Hesse
13) GGMarquez
14) Ellison
15) Dos Passos

****. that's rough.

Snorlax1
10-07-2009, 12:06 PM
You forgot DFW jerk.

ElectricEye
10-07-2009, 12:13 PM
http://ebooks-imgs.connect.com/ebooks/product/400/000/000/000/000/038/707/400000000000000038707_s4.jpg

I got this as part of an anniversary present from my girlfriend the other day. Seems to be my type of science fiction/fantasy book. I'll give it a read, even though I've been apathetic towards books like this lately.

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 12:17 PM
You forgot DFW jerk.

DFW is about equal with Burroughs IMO, and would probably crack the top 25, once you add fitzgerald, steinbeck, williams, beckett, cheever, capote, mailer, o'conner, maugham, plath, rand, henry james, huxley, and updike.

LizardState
10-07-2009, 12:57 PM
An exclusively American Top 5, here goes, with commentary:

5) Steinbeck -- Not just b/c I live in Northern Calif. where he's a god
4) Mailer -- Great iconic tough guy writer
3) Fitzgerald -- The Last Romantic, everyone should memorize the last sentence in Gatsby
2) Faulkner -- More refs. to th Bible & Shakespeare than anyone since TS Eliot
1) Hemingway -- B/C he started as a journalist, best concise prose ever.

Hon. Mentions to Capote, Burroughs, Ellison, Pynchon, Barth, McMurtry, Ellis, Hunter S. Thompson, Tom Wolfe, Vonnegut (used to be a tech writer), John Gardner, Elmore Leonard (used to be a tech writer), Walker Percy, Barry Hannah, a few more.....

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 01:12 PM
Mailer is so underrepresented by people in my generation. It's sad.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-07-2009, 02:26 PM
Picking a top five out of them... that's painful to me.

1) Joyce
2) Conrad
3) Faulkner
4) Wolff
5) Pynchon
6) McCarthy
7) Nabokov
8) Kafka
9) Borges
10) Cather
11) Hemmingway
12) Hesse
13) GGMarquez
14) Ellison
15) Dos Passos

****. that's rough.

Erm, Vonnegut? Dick? Steinbeck? Mailer? Beckett? Calvino? Mann?

Also, no way does Cormac McCarthy's body of work in the 20th century place him that high (I'm not sure he'd be on the list at all with All The Pretty Horses being his best work from that period).

Snorlax1
10-07-2009, 02:43 PM
Erm, Vonnegut? Dick? Steinbeck? Mailer? Beckett? Calvino? Mann?

Also, no way does Cormac McCarthy's body of work in the 20th century place him that high (I'm not sure he'd be on the list at all with All The Pretty Horses being his best work from that period).
This question was answered 2 posts after the original post in which AQ clearly stated most of them would make up the top25.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-07-2009, 02:51 PM
This question was answered 2 posts after the original post in which AQ clearly stated most of them would make up the top25.

I'm not asking where he'd rank them, I'm asking how he could justify not having them in his top 15 (a even not having Dick, Calvino, and Mann in his top 25).

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 02:52 PM
Erm, Vonnegut? Dick? Steinbeck? Mailer? Beckett? Calvino? Mann?

Also, no way does Cormac McCarthy's body of work in the 20th century place him that high (I'm not sure he'd be on the list at all with All The Pretty Horses being his best work from that period).

All The Pretty Horses isn't his best work. That's Suttree, IMO, or Blood Meridian is probably the Quintessential McCarthy. But, All the Pretty Horses is my favorite. I think I mentioned that already.

I also forgot DeLillo too. Don't hate, it was cursorily made!

Vonnegut should be up there too. I'd probably have him leap Dos Passos. I was never entranced with Calvino (probably because I attempted to read the works in Italian instead of English and that didn't work out so well). I forgot Mann (eep). Dick belongs as a notable, but probably not in my top 25. Steinbeck... I can probably say it's just me, as it is with Hemingway as well. That I just do not value him as much as his place. Fitzgerald on the other hand, I'm severely limited in knowledge other than some short stories I read a few years ago which gave me a wonderful view on who he is. I cannot give either their proper dues, unfortunately.

It's really hard to place authors who have one Seminal work, and several other lessor pieces.

Like Ellison who pretty much had ONLY Invisible Man to his name, placing importance on depth of work sucks, or how much stock do you place in just novels? It's rough. You don't like it, come up with one yourself PMD.

I'm not asking where he'd rank them, I'm asking how he could justify not having them in his top 15 (a even not having Dick, Calvino, and Mann in his top 25).

Edit: easy, because i think all these people (with the exception of dos passos being replaced for vonnegut) are better than the aformentioned. I have a hard time replacing one of those... Maybe GGMarquez with DeLillo... But even then, I don't feel it.

1) Joyce
2) Conrad
3) Faulkner
4) Woolf
5) Pynchon
6) McCarthy
7) Nabokov
8) Kafka
9) Borges
10) Cather
11) Hemmingway
12) Hesse
13) DeLillo
14) Ellison
15) Vonnegut

And i'd also like to reiterate

Really. It's difficult.

D-Unit
10-07-2009, 02:54 PM
Roald Dahl needs some love in here!!! :D

Paranoidmoonduck
10-07-2009, 02:55 PM
I was just surprised by some of the choices and more surprised by some of the omissions. I didn't mean to knock your literary tastes.

A cursory top 10 for the 20th century would look something like this...

1. Jorge Luis Borges
2. James Joyce
3. Franz Kafka
4. Andre Breton
5. Thomas Pynchon
6. Italo Calvino
7. John Steinbeck
8. Thomas Mann
9. Kurt Vonnegut
10a. Samuel Beckett
10b. F. Scott Fitzgerald

But then again, I like surrealist writers.

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 03:36 PM
I was just surprised by some of the choices and more surprised by some of the omissions. I didn't mean to knock your literary tastes..

And i'm sure we can agree on Borges being fantastic.

The Omissions are hard to deal with. It'd be a little easier if we went strictly for post WW1 authors because... well, then you have Conrad dropping out, Kafka dropping out...

I also tend to probably overrate Woolf and Cather, even though, in my mind, it's impossible.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-08-2009, 06:40 PM
And i'm sure we can agree on Borges being fantastic.

Most definitely. Oh, and I would really give Calvino another chance. Invisible Cities is, in my opinion, a must read.

ElectricEye
10-08-2009, 08:57 PM
I've been meaning to read a little Calvino. Invisible Cities might be the next book I buy. That's the only book I've seen by him with a premise that appeals to me.

DoughBoy
10-08-2009, 10:49 PM
I am impressed with alot of peoples knowledge on authors in here. I try and read a book every two weeks if I can, but there is no way I could name off lists like you guys.

Job
10-08-2009, 11:28 PM
Here is a little list of interesting authors for those here interested in litterature from the world. List contains a very wide range of different writing styles, perfect for those interested in the art form as much as the story.

Japan - Kenzaburo Oe,Yukio Mishima
Maghreb (Northern Africa) - Tahar Ben Jelloun
France - Philippe Claudel, Romain Gary/Emile Ajar
Poland - Witold Gombrowicz
Czech Republic - Milan Kundera
Egypt - Naguib Mahfouz
Germany - Thomas Mann, Heinrich Böll
Hungary - Agota Kristof
Yugoslavia - Danilo Kis
Quebec - Wajdi Mouawad, Nicolas Dickner, Denis Thériault, Patrick Nicol, Christian Mistral, Normand Chaurette (I'm from there, thus I have a high knowledge of Quebec's litterature)

themaninblack
10-09-2009, 12:00 AM
I am impressed with alot of peoples knowledge on authors in here. I try and read a book every two weeks if I can, but there is no way I could name off lists like you guys.

Yea, I really need to get back into reading for enjoyment. School has really taken that desire out of me.

Raiderz4Life
10-09-2009, 01:12 AM
You want a tough but gratifying read? try this on for size:

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv177/scmenace18/TheDivineComedy49.jpg

awfullyquiet
10-09-2009, 08:49 AM
I am impressed with alot of peoples knowledge on authors in here. I try and read a book every two weeks if I can, but there is no way I could name off lists like you guys.

Quality not Quantity. My M.O.

LizardState
10-09-2009, 10:16 AM
You want a tough but gratifying read? try this on for size:

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv177/scmenace18/TheDivineComedy49.jpg

Or the guided tour of the afterlife in Inferno, also by Dante Aligheri, & for the Gustave Dore engravings if for no other reason!!

awfullyquiet
10-09-2009, 10:21 AM
I have such a hard time grasping that The Inferno was written in the early 1300s...

I mean, the language, the processes of conceptualization, it's just 'new' feeling still. Which pretty much means it's awesome too.

Raiderz4Life
10-09-2009, 04:56 PM
I got the book a few months ago and i'm nowhere near half way done....doing reading for school doesn't help but i have to read it slow and carefully so i can understand what I'm reading

Paranoidmoonduck
10-09-2009, 05:56 PM
Quality not Quantity. My M.O.

This. Honestly, if you can really manage to read a book every 2 weeks, you're reading at a rate I've never come close to. I really doubt I've read 26 book (novels or significant non-fiction) in any year I've been alive. Do some research, talk to people, get some good recommendations.

As for the Inferno and the Divine Comedy, I really recommend finding John Cleese's audio version and listening to that as you read it. It's just fantastic.

awfullyquiet
10-09-2009, 07:01 PM
This. Honestly, if you can really manage to read a book every 2 weeks, you're reading at a rate I've never come close to. I really doubt I've read 26 book (novels or significant non-fiction) in any year I've been alive. Do some research, talk to people, get some good recommendations.

As for the Inferno and the Divine Comedy, I really recommend finding John Cleese's audio version and listening to that as you read it. It's just fantastic.

Yeah. 2 weeks, not so much, takes me a month for a book, and i read an hour a day or so.

if you spend 2 weeks on a book. it's because you're not thinking while your reading.

Job
10-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Or just because some books are kinda short. Some of my favorite ones are 150-200 pages long. Those never last a month.

Raiderz4Life
10-09-2009, 07:09 PM
I've read some pretty big books in a matter of 10 hours.....i'm more of a fiction kinda guy...I have yet to find a non-fiction book to keep me hooked...the only few that have are "loosely" based on a true story but are more fiction than not

awfullyquiet
10-09-2009, 07:12 PM
Or just because some books are kinda short. Some of my favorite ones are 150-200 pages long. Those never last a month.

i.e. invisible cities. anthem. candide. most salinger stuff is rather short.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-09-2009, 07:12 PM
There's plenty of good books you can read in just a few days. One of the recent best sellers, White Tiger, I read over the course of one flight from Boston to San Francisco. However, it took me about two months read to Ulysses and feel like I had a grasp of it. Some books just require that time.

awfullyquiet
10-09-2009, 07:13 PM
There's plenty of good books you can read in just a few days. One of the recent best sellers, White Tiger, I read over the course of one flight from Boston to San Francisco. However, it took me about two months read to Ulysses and feel like I had a grasp of it.

2 months?

I think the 4th 5th read of it... and then... parts of it start clicking.

yeah. there's some books that you can devour in a flight. then there's some books, that take forever. it doesn't even matter the amount of pages. the density is just overwhelming.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-09-2009, 07:19 PM
2 months?

I think the 4th 5th read of it... and then... parts of it start clicking.

yeah. there's some books that you can devour in a flight. then there's some books, that take forever. it doesn't even matter the amount of pages. the density is just overwhelming.

I don't normally re-read books (not without some years passing in between). For Ulysses, there was simply too many references that I didn't know off the top of my head for me to roll right past them. So I'd read, then go try and track down the meaning behind something. So it was rather slow going.

edit - Granted, even when I did wrap it up, I wasn't feeling like I had gotten everything. I'll definitely be reading it again, but not until I knock off some of the more pressing stuff off my list.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-24-2009, 10:19 PM
I command this thread to live again!

http://popculturenerd.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/beat_reaper.jpg
I just finished this after it was recommended. It's a quick read and has a very attractive style to it. Definitely recommended.

The Unseen
10-24-2009, 10:26 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51XAZMNEZFL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

My casual research into existentialism messed with my brain. Yet I was intrigued, so I've looked into it. Tillich's concept of God is pretty unique.

fischbowl
10-24-2009, 10:30 PM
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0394752848.jpg

Raiderz4Life
10-24-2009, 10:41 PM
Has anyone read 1984? I have to read that for school

The Unseen
10-24-2009, 10:44 PM
Has anyone read 1984? I have to read that for school

Yes. I enjoyed it.

ElectricEye
10-24-2009, 10:49 PM
I command this thread to live again!

http://popculturenerd.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/beat_reaper.jpg
I just finished this after it was recommended. It's a quick read and has a very attractive style to it. Definitely recommended.

That sounds really good. I'll have to read that once I'm done with the current fantasy book I told myself I would like(and don't).

Whistler6
10-25-2009, 12:02 AM
If your looking for simple entertainment, Too Fat Too Fish by Artie Lang is actually a decent book.

He's definitely nothing special as far as writing goes, but the way he tells his stories is engaging. I was suprised to find out that he's actually not as big of a douche as he comes across as... (Joe Buck Live)

A Perfect Score
10-25-2009, 10:23 AM
http://www.sc.edu/fitzgerald/essays/eyes/cugat_1.jpeg


Probably my all time favorite novel. I know alot of people dislike it because they were forced to read it for school, but go back and read it when you dont have to write a paper on it. I have probably read it 10 times, since its such a short and easy read, and it gets better every time. Its the beginning of transgressional fiction and Fitzgerald writes with such brittle language that no matter whats happening in the novel, you feel on edge.

While I do appreciate Fitzgerald's short stories as superior in both prose and in some cases content, Gatsby just gets me every time. Plus the cover art kicks all kinds of ass.

neko4
10-25-2009, 10:54 AM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41wYncT-hML._SL500_.jpg
I cant elaborate since its political, but its a good read

Unbiased
10-25-2009, 11:01 AM
I'm thinking of buying Dark Water, by Robert Clark. If anyone has read it, please be kind enough to tell me if you enjoyed it.

doingthisinsteadofwork
10-25-2009, 12:17 PM
http://www.sc.edu/fitzgerald/essays/eyes/cugat_1.jpeg


Probably my all time favorite novel. I know alot of people dislike it because they were forced to read it for school, but go back and read it when you dont have to write a paper on it. I have probably read it 10 times, since its such a short and easy read, and it gets better every time. Its the beginning of transgressional fiction and Fitzgerald writes with such brittle language that no matter whats happening in the novel, you feel on edge.

While I do appreciate Fitzgerald's short stories as superior in both prose and in some cases content, Gatsby just gets me every time. Plus the cover art kicks all kinds of ass.
Yeah this is a great book.But anyone that reads it has to read the whole thing.I didn't think this book was all that great untill I finished the last 2 pages.

P-L
10-25-2009, 09:12 PM
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41wYncT-hML._SL500_.jpg
I cant elaborate since its political, but its a good read
I want to read that. Happy to hear it was good.

the decider13
10-25-2009, 09:18 PM
http://www.sc.edu/fitzgerald/essays/eyes/cugat_1.jpeg


Probably my all time favorite novel. I know alot of people dislike it because they were forced to read it for school, but go back and read it when you dont have to write a paper on it. I have probably read it 10 times, since its such a short and easy read, and it gets better every time. Its the beginning of transgressional fiction and Fitzgerald writes with such brittle language that no matter whats happening in the novel, you feel on edge.

While I do appreciate Fitzgerald's short stories as superior in both prose and in some cases content, Gatsby just gets me every time. Plus the cover art kicks all kinds of ass.

Agreed, definately one of my favorites along with "The Sun Also Rises"

Tampa 2 4 life
10-25-2009, 09:19 PM
Why the **** am I reading Gravity's Rainbow?

The Unseen
11-16-2009, 09:11 PM
http://bookcoverarchive.com/images/books/slaughterhousefive.large.jpg

A Perfect Score
11-16-2009, 09:13 PM
http://bookcoverarchive.com/images/books/slaughterhousefive.large.jpg

Great great book. Definitely one of my all time faves.

Shiver
11-16-2009, 09:13 PM
http://www.cherryhillbooks.com/images/books/freakonomics.jpg

fischbowl
11-16-2009, 09:20 PM
http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/more-information-20081020-220426.jpg

Sequel to Areas of my Expertise. Hodgman is definitely one of the better humourists out there

CashmoneyDrew
11-16-2009, 09:28 PM
http://www.cherryhillbooks.com/images/books/freakonomics.jpg

Haven't read that book, but I've read some interesting things about it and the author's theories. Very interesting indeed.

Anyone had a chance to look at Stephen King's new novel yet?

Go_Eagles77
11-16-2009, 09:36 PM
I asked my friend if he had any good books and he lent me the book "Daniel X", not exactly the kinda book I was expecting. Did anyone read it? It looks kinda corny to me but I'll feel like a douche if I give it back to him without reading it, especially after acting mildly interested when he gave it to me.

sweetness34
11-16-2009, 09:47 PM
I'm not a big book reader, mainly because I don't have the attention span or the patience but I did read some good books back in High School;

http://underway.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/huckleberry-finn-dvdcover.jpg

http://ccplic4teens.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/enders-game-novel-cover.jpg

http://ebooks-imgs.connect.com/ebooks/product/400/000/000/000/000/031/459/400000000000000031459_s4.jpg

http://rgr-static1.tangentlabs.co.uk/images/bau/97804511/9780451160195/0/0/plain/fools-die.jpg

Shiver
11-16-2009, 09:48 PM
Haven't read that book, but I've read some interesting things about it and the author's theories. Very interesting indeed.

Anyone had a chance to look at Stephen King's new novel yet?


There is a lot of really interesting stuff: what real estate agents and the KKK have in common, why crack dealers are like McDonalds and swimming pools are more dangerous than guns. What is great about the book is it challenges common wisdom on many topics and being a contrarian myself I enjoyed it tremendously.

After I finish this I am definitely going to get the sequel:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/super_freakonomics.JPG

Best cover ever.

Brent
11-16-2009, 11:16 PM
http://ccplic4teens.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/enders-game-novel-cover.jpg
****. Yes.

I took Sci-Fi literature in college as a ENGL elective. Best class ever. I loved that book.

A Perfect Score
11-16-2009, 11:25 PM
****. Yes.

I took Sci-Fi literature in college as a ENGL elective. Best class ever. I loved that book.

I was gunna take Sci-Fi as an elective this year, but went with Gender and Sexuality isntead. Better reading list.

Brent
11-16-2009, 11:32 PM
I took a gender and sexuality class. Sadly, my college had such a conservative student body, I was less misogynistic than girls in that class.

dabears10
11-16-2009, 11:39 PM
I took a gender and sexuality class. Sadly, my college had such a conservative student body, I was less misogynistic than girls in that class.

Well, in my Human Sexuality class I got called misogynistic because I claimed that some women use sex as a tool to get love.

A Perfect Score
11-16-2009, 11:42 PM
I can see how a gender and sexuality class could really suck, but my professor is awesome. And the reading list kicks ass, so its really enjoyable. Much more so then my british and american literatures ********.

Brent
11-16-2009, 11:46 PM
I can see how a gender and sexuality class could really suck, but my professor is awesome. And the reading list kicks ass, so its really enjoyable. Much more so then my british and american literatures ********.
best reading list I ever had was in my African-American Lit class.

CashmoneyDrew
11-17-2009, 12:22 AM
best reading list I ever had was in my African-American Lit class.

Their Eyes Were Watching God?

Brent
11-17-2009, 12:37 AM
Their Eyes Were Watching God?
nah, the reading list was:

a bunch of poems by various African-American poets/authors
"Push (http://www.amazon.com/Push-Novel-Sapphire/dp/0679766758/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258439511&sr=8-1)" - Sapphire
"If He Hollers Let Him Go (http://www.amazon.com/If-He-Hollers-Let-Him/dp/1560254459/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1258439548&sr=8-1-fkmr0)" - Chester Himes
"Incognegro (http://www.amazon.com/Incognegro-Mat-Johnson/dp/1848560974/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1258439606&sr=8-1-fkmr1)" - Mat Johnson
"Beloved (http://www.amazon.com/Beloved-Toni-Morrison/dp/B000NWJMD6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258439641&sr=8-2)" - Toni Morrison
"Platitudes (http://www.amazon.com/Platitudes-Northeastern-Library-Black-Literature/dp/1555535860/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258439813&sr=8-1)" - Trey Ellis

"Push" was pretty goddamn depressing

MiWolves
11-17-2009, 01:19 AM
Ender's Shadow in my opinion was as good as Ender's Game. Ender's shadow is based on Beans perspective.

CashmoneyDrew
11-17-2009, 01:32 AM
nah, the reading list was:

a bunch of poems by various African-American poets/authors
"Push (http://www.amazon.com/Push-Novel-Sapphire/dp/0679766758/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258439511&sr=8-1)" - Sapphire
"If He Hollers Let Him Go (http://www.amazon.com/If-He-Hollers-Let-Him/dp/1560254459/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1258439548&sr=8-1-fkmr0)" - Chester Himes
"Incognegro (http://www.amazon.com/Incognegro-Mat-Johnson/dp/1848560974/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1258439606&sr=8-1-fkmr1)" - Mat Johnson
"Beloved (http://www.amazon.com/Beloved-Toni-Morrison/dp/B000NWJMD6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258439641&sr=8-2)" - Toni Morrison
"Platitudes (http://www.amazon.com/Platitudes-Northeastern-Library-Black-Literature/dp/1555535860/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1258439813&sr=8-1)" - Trey Ellis

"Push" was pretty goddamn depressing

Haha, I was definitely just joking about Their Eyes Were Watching God. I remember having to read that book and watch the Oprah movie. It was Ok.

El Peefs?????
11-17-2009, 01:51 AM
http://bookcoverarchive.com/images/books/slaughterhousefive.large.jpg

Interesting that I find that when I open this thread up, as I just started reading this.

http://a1.vox.com/6a00d09e50d680be2b00e398a96ec90005-500pi

Staubach12
11-17-2009, 03:05 PM
http://bookcoverarchive.com/images/books/slaughterhousefive.large.jpg


Interesting that I find that when I open this thread up, as I just started reading this.

http://a1.vox.com/6a00d09e50d680be2b00e398a96ec90005-500pi

Funny, I'm reading this:

http://www.luc.edu/law_library/books/images/breakfast.jpg

Hooray Kurt Vonnegut!

Paranoidmoonduck
11-17-2009, 03:33 PM
Vonnegut's is great because when you want to read a lot of him, your options are huge...

What I've been reading lately:

http://abgrund.name/sac/attach/1/4395821204.jpg

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/raim0007/gwss3307_summer2008/theWindUpBirdChronicle.jpg

BufFan71
11-17-2009, 05:28 PM
just finished the Inheritance series

(eragon, eldest, brisingr)


great series

Giantsfan1080
11-17-2009, 05:37 PM
Has anyone ever ready any of Edward Rutherford's novels?

A Perfect Score
11-18-2009, 02:09 AM
Funny, I'm reading this:

http://www.luc.edu/law_library/books/images/breakfast.jpg

Hooray Kurt Vonnegut!

I think Breakfast of Champions might be his best book. Personal opinion, but its awesome

tjsunstein
12-21-2009, 10:00 AM
This thread needs to be revived. I'm just getting into Kurt Vonnegut's novels due to this thread.

ElectricEye
12-21-2009, 10:50 AM
Just finished this.

http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n28/n144052.jpg

Next up is this, I think.

http://www.bookpage.com/optionpages/images/book/August172009335pmwindupgirl.jpg

diabsoule
12-21-2009, 11:09 AM
I'm currently reading:

http://cdn3.ioffer.com/img/item/114/861/379/ygMY2xLo83v5eJ4.jpg

in all it's 1100+ page glory.

Whistler6
12-21-2009, 01:19 PM
Don't skip The Windup Girl. You won't be disappointed. The pace isn't all that quick, but it starts off interesting and keeps you until the end. It's one of my favorite Science Fiction novels.

I'm not sure why, but post-globalisation type worlds always entertain me. You get to see different events unfold from the eyes and views of all sorts of different characters. Definitely check it out.

Brent
12-21-2009, 02:43 PM
this is what the kids in the 10th grade class I am doing student teaching in will be reading:

As I Lay Dying, In Cold Blood and The Joy Luck Club

So, I'll have to read all those in the coming weeks.

Rob S
12-21-2009, 03:35 PM
I have a monster 10.5 hr flight to Egypt coming up, I need a few book recs.

Something not too hard to read and entertaining, but still good and not just strictly a page turner with little depth.

CashmoneyDrew
12-21-2009, 03:37 PM
I have a monster 10.5 hr flight to Egypt coming up, I need a few book recs.

Something not too hard to read and entertaining, but still good and not just strictly a page turner with little depth.

Curious George fo sho.

I'm thinking about getting Meat Market and The Blind Side for Christmas.

Twiddler
12-21-2009, 04:07 PM
I know I'm late but I just started reading this:

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080707/books-100-76/america-the-book_l.jpg

******* hilarious.

Brent
12-21-2009, 04:22 PM
I know I'm late but I just started reading this
If by little you mean 5 years, yes.

Twiddler
12-21-2009, 04:26 PM
If by little you mean 5 years, yes.

Never said little.

Shiver
12-21-2009, 04:29 PM
I am currently reading Lord of the Flies.

themaninblack
12-21-2009, 04:58 PM
I would like to read something during this break, any recommendations?

tjsunstein
12-21-2009, 05:46 PM
I would like to read something during this break, any recommendations?

Based on this thread:
Scar Tissue – Anthony Kiedis
I hope they serve beer in hell – Tucker Max
Naked Pictures of Famous People – Jon Stewart
Meat Market – Bruce Feldman
The Road – Cormac McCarthy
Think and Grow Rich – Napoleon Hill
Girlfriend In A Coma – Douglas Coupland
Pop – Gordon Korman
Less than Zero – Bret Easton Ellis
American Psycho – Bret Easton Ellis
The Rules of Attraction – Bret Easton Ellis
Beat the Reaper – Josh Bazell
The Housing Boom and Bust – Thomas Sowell
Freakonomics/ Super Freakonomics – Steven D. Levitt
Anything by Kurt Vonnegut

And that isn't even all of them. Just some I jotted down.

BufFan71
12-21-2009, 05:57 PM
just bought

Bretheren
Crusader
Fall of the Templars

Shiver
12-21-2009, 05:59 PM
I would like to read something during this break, any recommendations?

Into Thin Air - Jon Krakauer

A fantastic read about the 1996 Mt. Everest disaster. First-hand storytelling about what happened and also an psychoanalysis of what makes a man want to climb into the "Death Zone" at 20,000+ feet.


Freakonomics & Superfreakonomics - Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner

Economical analysis of society, often to a contrary counterpoint to accepted common wisdom. What do prostitudes have in common with department store Santa Clauses'? Did legalized Abortion end the crime wave? Why are real estate agents like the KKK? Etc.

Einstein: His Life and Universe - Walter Isaacson

While it does touch on his revolutionary science, this narrative masterpiece really brings this once in a lifetime figure to life. A vivid portrayal of the 20th century's most famous and influential man.

RoyHall#1
12-21-2009, 07:25 PM
I have recently read:

The Godfather by Mario Puzo
Nine Stories by JD Salinger
Franny and Zooey by JD Salinger

and Ender's Game and Shadow by Orson Scott Card. All fantastic.

Nalej
12-21-2009, 07:42 PM
Reading: The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown

Read: Down these Mean streets by Piri Thomas... again. Great book.

A Perfect Score
12-21-2009, 07:45 PM
**** Dan Brown. God damn him straight to hell.

Whistler6
12-21-2009, 07:59 PM
If anyone's looking for something easy and nonfiction to read, both I Only Roast The Ones I Love by Jeffrey Ross and Official Book Club Selection by Kathy Griffin are pretty hilarious.

Usually a fan of sci fi and whatnot, but these are solid in my opinion for a change of pace.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
12-21-2009, 10:40 PM
Sports autobiography's from decently intelligent people are my favorite books to read. Especially if you're a fan of tennis, James Blake, Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi's autobiographies are all good. Tedi Bruschi's autobiography is good as well.

Chucky
12-21-2009, 10:58 PM
Went to Chapters and bought some books today for the break:

End the Fed by Ron Paul

The Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons

and I am finally going to read

The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith

ElectricEye
12-21-2009, 11:00 PM
Don't skip The Windup Girl. You won't be disappointed. The pace isn't all that quick, but it starts off interesting and keeps you until the end. It's one of my favorite Science Fiction novels.

I'm not sure why, but post-globalisation type worlds always entertain me. You get to see different events unfold from the eyes and views of all sorts of different characters. Definitely check it out.

This is what I've heard from everyone. Know I got a Borders giftcard coming up for Christmas. I'll be sure to pick this one up now.

Whistler6
12-21-2009, 11:29 PM
Went to Chapters and bought some books today for the break:

End the Fed by Ron Paul

The Book of Basketball by Bill Simmons

and I am finally going to read

The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith

I read the entire The Book of Basketball in about 5 days and wasn't sure whether I had actually sat and read the book or just woken up from a drug-induced bender.

I place the NFL, competitive eating, and paint drying ahead of the likes of the NBA (uhh Bucks fan)...Yet I love Bill Simmons writing so much, anything written by him is solid.

Best players of all time, how to build a franchise, testicle references, and pop culture, holy crap is the book funny. It's actually a good book to put next to the toilet and pick up for 20 minutes every day while your doing your business. If you liked his first one, you'll like it. And I hate the Red Sox.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-21-2009, 11:35 PM
I just finished a great book: Sting like a Bee: The Muhammad Ali story by Jose Torres. It's a really interesting read, because I found that being so young, the only stuff you hear now about Ali is how great and funny he was. This one was published in 1971, and ends right after Ali-Frazier 1. It gives a lot of perspective into the life of one of the greatest, most influential and most controversial athletes of all time. Despite being a good friend to Ali, he seems really honest about everything. He says in the book that he actually picked Frazier to win the fight with Ali, and gives solid reasoning to it as well. It's not a big book either, just a little over 200 pages, and it was pretty cheap.

Brent
12-22-2009, 08:00 AM
Never said little.
I could have sworn you did... gebus I'm insane.

LizardState
12-22-2009, 09:36 AM
I think Breakfast of Champions might be his best book. Personal opinion, but its awesome

I really liked the Sirens of Titan, Mother Night, the apocalyptic black comedy decades ahead of its time Cat's Cradle, God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater, & the best is ......

Slaughterhouse 5 !!

Billy Pilgrim time travel (being "stuck/unstuck in time") & Vonnegut's WW2 autobiog experience as a Battle of Bulge POW who survived the fire-bombing of Dresden by being locked into Schlachthof Funf underground..... great stuff, unlike other comic existentialists & black humorists, Vonnegut, an ex-tech writer at IBM in Poughkeepsie, NY, has some punch in his prose. Movie version was kind of meh, BoC film was worse with Bruce Willis, book was good with his hand drawn cartoons mixed into the text.

Everything after Galapagos sucked though. There are 2 new collections of previously unpublished works, one fiction & one nonfiction, released for the Xmas mkt. Def made my Xmas list.

If you can find it, KV's 1st & best short story collection Welcome to the Monkey House is a great read, Harrison Bergeron the best short story IMO, unusual great film version with Sean Astin. It's never come out in hardback to my knowledge.

hobbes2053
12-22-2009, 11:44 PM
http://mockduck.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/0876853904-01-lzzzzzzz.jpg

Bukowski is so awesome.

Whistler6
01-01-2010, 12:28 PM
just finished the Inheritance series

(eragon, eldest, brisingr)


great series

Yeah some people hate Paolini, but I think it's a pretty awesome series. Reminds me of Lord of the Rings, and I guess I'm into that stuff so. The only part that sucks is waiting for him to release the next book or ATLEAST let us know when it will be released...

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
01-01-2010, 02:49 PM
Got a late christmas gift, the blindside. Looking forward to reading it after seeing the movie.

ElectricEye
01-01-2010, 08:01 PM
Still ******* waiting for the Windup Girl to come. Pumped, but it's taken Borders more than a week to get it. Ordered it Christmas night, didn't even ship it until four days later. Also ordered the Etched City. I'll rage if it's not here by Sunday.

Giantsfan1080
01-01-2010, 08:10 PM
Anyone read Crichton's pirate book?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
01-01-2010, 08:36 PM
Soccernomics is a great book for anyone interested in soccer.

Whistler6
01-01-2010, 09:26 PM
Still ******* waiting for the Windup Girl to come. Pumped, but it's taken Borders more than a week to get it. Ordered it Christmas night, didn't even ship it until four days later. Also ordered the Etched City. I'll rage if it's not here by Sunday.

Oh God, I plowed through that book in about a week. Having a book that I'm legitimately interested in makes reading fun...yes, I said fun.

Whistler6
01-01-2010, 09:29 PM
Got a late christmas gift, the blindside. Looking forward to reading it after seeing the movie.

The movie does a great job of portraying how great of a story the Michael Oher situation really is. But, even as Oher pointed out, the movie makes him look 'stupid' when he started high school football.

Thankfully the book shows how it really was...He was a natural and dominated almost from the start. A little too much Hollywood made him look confused when he strapped on a helmet, not true.

In this case, the book is better in my opinion.

Shiver
01-01-2010, 09:35 PM
http://lostmoya.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/watchmen.jpg

WATCHMEN!

Giantsfan1080
01-01-2010, 09:42 PM
Books are 95% better than the movie usually.

ElectricEye
01-01-2010, 10:53 PM
Oh God, I plowed through that book in about a week. Having a book that I'm legitimately interested in makes reading fun...yes, I said fun.

I've heard nothing but GLOWING things about it and I've been so broke I haven't been able to read a book in a month. Really want it to arrive :(

Dr. Gonzo
01-01-2010, 11:24 PM
Finished Last Words the George Carlin semi autobiography. Spent all of today reading it and **** it was fantastic. I already respected the hell out of Carlin and consider him an inspiration but the book just made my love the man even more.

tjsunstein
01-02-2010, 11:17 AM
Finished Last Words the George Carlin semi autobiography. Spent all of today reading it and **** it was fantastic. I already respected the hell out of Carlin and consider him an inspiration but the book just made my love the man even more.

I considered picking that up.

On another note, I'm 150 pages into Tucker Max's book and literally bored. It's all the same after a while.

Splat
01-02-2010, 11:22 AM
Books are 95% better than the movie usually.

That goes with out saying.

Shiver
01-02-2010, 11:31 AM
Books are 95% better than the movie usually.


I would go 70%, actually. There are more movies that are superior than you would think.

Brent
01-02-2010, 01:15 PM
the book series which true blood is based off of is not great, the show is way better

A Perfect Score
01-02-2010, 01:16 PM
I considered picking that up.

On another note, I'm 150 pages into Tucker Max's book and literally bored. It's all the same after a while.

Thats because Tucker Max is the epitome of what is wrong with the current generation and contributes to the stupid frat boy stereotype which not only gives guys actually able to hold a conversation about something other then beer, sex, or their dick size an awful reputation by gender alone, while also influencing several other important mediums as well.

I hate that ****.

Also, just read The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. Been wanting to read it for a while, but never got round to it till the holidays. Nice read, if you want to learn to bury and and all opponents both military and political.

Brent
01-03-2010, 08:54 AM
Nice read, if you want to learn to bury and and all opponents both military and political.
I love The Prince. I dont know why, because I'm not the aggressive/motivated type.

LizardState
01-03-2010, 10:42 AM
Appropriate for this thread, not a New Yr's resolution: How many books did you read last yr? List them here if you wish.

My best guess was 8:


Tijuana Straits, Kem Nunn
Up In Honey's Room, LaBrava, & Road Dogs, Elmore Leonard
Inherent Vice, Thomas Pynchon
Wicked Plants, Amy Smart
Best American Mystery Stories of 2000
I Could Tell You But Then You Would Have to Be Destroyed By Me: Emblems from the Pentagon's Black World, Trevor Paglen


I will enter pleas of laziness & too much cable, like they said back in the 80s about cable, 500 CHANNELS & NOTHING IS ON!! Really, really sick of reruns.....

I'm hoping to break a dozen books read in 2010.

A Perfect Score
01-03-2010, 10:44 AM
I bet between university and my own personal reading, I must have burned through about 40 novels last year.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-03-2010, 11:56 AM
I would go 70%, actually. There are more movies that are superior than you would think.

This I don't believe. There are a very large number of movies made based off of books and considering that, in general, the large percentage of movies suck anyway, very very few wind up even living up to the book, much less surpassing it.

Job
01-03-2010, 12:18 PM
Well a large percentage of books suck too.

Dr. Gonzo
01-03-2010, 05:12 PM
Went to Chapters (Big Canadian Bookstore) after work yesterday. After reading the Carlin book my love for literature has been rekindled. I bought myself a membership card so I get 10 percent off each purchase and I picked up a couple books:

http://intellectualeconomy.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/sflarge.jpg

http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/i-hate-your-guts-jim-norton.jpg

Got some good deals on them too and they both work well as light reading at work.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-03-2010, 05:19 PM
What I've been reading lately...

http://img1.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/c0/c4231.jpg

http://edinburghsfbookgroup.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/murakami-hard-boiled-wonderland.jpg

http://ghostradio.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/anathem.jpg

slightlyaraiderfan
01-05-2010, 12:49 PM
http://origin.aintitcool.com/images2007/Dune.jpg

my copy isn't as old though...

Marcus Aurelius
01-05-2010, 08:36 PM
Just got done reading this. Pretty moving stuff, the happiness of our life is moved through the thoughts we allow ourselves to ponder. Educate and guard accordingly.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0gulmmkM6HI/SZApfAg0QAI/AAAAAAAAAG0/4jx7XZS4WIA/s400/plato.jpg

Paranoidmoonduck
01-05-2010, 09:02 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe The Republic as "moving".

Brent
01-05-2010, 09:30 PM
I don't think I've ever heard someone describe The Republic as "moving".
yeah... moving my bowels

fischbowl
01-05-2010, 09:33 PM
http://booksoundtrack.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/virginsuicides.jpg

Oh Eugenides and your masterful narration

Splat
01-06-2010, 09:50 PM
http://i48.tinypic.com/11h6i50.jpg

Just started this so far so good I love James Patterson I like books to be fasted paced with short chapters and he is great at it.

Marcus Aurelius
01-09-2010, 03:45 PM
Very good list of books coming out in 2010:
http://www.themillions.com/2010/01/most-anticipated-the-great-2010-book-preview.html

Really looking forward to The Pale King in 2011 though:
“The subject of the novel is boredom. The opening of the book instructs the reader to go back and read the small type they skipped on the copyright page, which details the battle with publishers over their determination to call it fiction, when it’s all 100% true. The narrator, David Foster Wallace, is at some point confused with another David F. Wallace by IRS computers, pointing to the degree to which our lives are filled with irrelevant complexity.”

Paranoidmoonduck
01-09-2010, 03:54 PM
All the posthumous releases...Bolano, Larsson, Wallace...

Brent
01-09-2010, 05:15 PM
Very good list of books coming out in 2010:
http://www.themillions.com/2010/01/most-anticipated-the-great-2010-book-preview.html
The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ by Philip Pullman: Pullman (famous for his His Dark Materials children’s series) will once again be courting controversy with this new book. According to The Guardian, “The book will provide a new account of the life of Jesus, challenging the gospels and arguing that the version in the New Testament was shaped by the apostle Paul."
sounds interesting

Whistler6
01-09-2010, 06:18 PM
Kind of embarassed to admit that I read the entire book, but I made a deal with my younger 10 year old sister. She has to read a couple of books for school and I got her to read the City of Bones by Classandra Clary...She said she'd finish it if I read the whole thing with her.

It's considered "Young Adult" and Urban/Science Fiction Fantasy. It's like a mix of Harry Potter, the Ergaon series, and a some Twilight all in one. I bitterly despise Twilight and refuse to see or read the series, but because I have some sort of weird obsession with finishing books I've started, I am going to read the next 2 books in the Clary - Mortal Instruments series...City of Glass, and City of Ashes.

Decently interesting if you into that kind of genre, but definitely deserves the teen reading level it has. Uhhhh.

Philliez01
01-09-2010, 06:42 PM
Just read An Unfinished Life: JFK by Dallek and on Andrew Jackson: American Lion by Meachem. Pretty good reads on both of them for those interested.

ElectricEye
01-14-2010, 10:56 PM
Finished The Windup Girl last week. Really interesting book. Very interesting story. There wasn't much that has really stuck with me, but it did live up to it's billing as being one of the better books to come out in it's genre last year.

Currently reading Nova Swing by M. John Harrison. It's kind of a mess. There's good in there, but the book makes very, very, very little sense for pages and pages at a time. You have a pretty good idea about what's going on in the book, but it would be sooo much better if there was a bit more clarity. Haze as a literary device is nice, but not this much. Still, the writing is good.

How are you liking Book of the New Sun Paranoidmoonduck? I enjoyed that one. Never finished it. Had some bad reading habits at the time so I put it down for an extended period of time and just never finished it. But Gene Wolfe is really good.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-14-2010, 11:03 PM
How are you liking Book of the New Sun Paranoidmoonduck? I enjoyed that one. Never finished it. Had some bad reading habits at the time so I put it down for an extended period of time and just never finished it. But Gene Wolfe is really good.

I'm not sure how I feel about his storytelling or his characters. I'm barely out of the first quarter of the book though, so I need more perspective. The prose, however, is ************* fantastic. This is the first thing I've ever read by Wolfe, but I've been really impressed. It's really rare you find science fiction or fantasy that reads like this book does (some early Neal Stephenson...maybe).

So yeah, I like it so far.

irishbucsfan
01-16-2010, 12:44 PM
Anyone here read the Wheel Of Time series?

CashmoneyDrew
01-16-2010, 01:50 PM
Just got the entire Sherlock Holmes collection of novels and short stories from Amazon. I'm excited.

iowatreat54
01-16-2010, 01:58 PM
So I know someone mentioned the movie in the movie thread, but has anyone read The Road?

It's really weird because I saw it in a store and wanted to get it, and then later that day someone mentioned the movie on here. Anyways, it looks interesting and has gotten a lot of good reviews. Plus, I like "post apocalyptic" themes.

Whistler6
01-16-2010, 02:44 PM
So I know someone mentioned the movie in the movie thread, but has anyone read The Road?

It's really weird because I saw it in a store and wanted to get it, and then later that day someone mentioned the movie on here. Anyways, it looks interesting and has gotten a lot of good reviews. Plus, I like "post apocalyptic" themes.

The novel is excellent, better than the movie in my opinion...The movie definitely does the bleak and hopeless feelings of the book justice, but you can never really beat the original thing.

The complete and utter hopefullness of the man and boy's situation is instantly felt from the beginning, and you can't help but root for their survival. The movie portrays it well, except for leaving a few things out like a dead baby's head stuck on a spike.

This is an excerpt from an EW.com review with a few quotes from the book that describes the entire story in a paragraph. It grabs you right away.


''The frailty of everything revealed at last,'' the man thinks. And with that frailty, so its forever-lost beauty, which torments him daily: the pinholes in a mantel that once held Christmas stockings; the ''quaint concerns'' in a salvaged newspaper; the memory of the theater where he once heard music with his wife. By night, he dreams of the old earth; by day, he and the boy struggle onward through the ash, repetitively asking and answering the same few primal questions: Are we still the good guys (the man in fact may no longer be)? What, if anything, do we owe our fellow creatures? Are we going to die? Would we be better off dead? To this last one, the boy's mother answered with suicide, announcing to the man, ''I am done with my own whorish heart.''

Whistler6
01-16-2010, 02:48 PM
http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/38210000/38216573.JPG

With the whole Late Night/NBC fiasco going on right now and if your even mildly interested in guys like Leno, David Letterman, and Andy Kaufman and where they started, it's worth reading. The book focuses on the Comedy Strike of 1979 and takes you into the lives of many of the up and coming comedians of the time. I loved it...But it made me hate Jay Leno even more.

ironman4579
01-16-2010, 03:33 PM
http://www.turbulence.org/Works/beatingheart/blog/A-Scanner-Darkly-1.png

http://jaecarasig.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/philip_k_dick_dad_1stus3.jpg

The Unseen
01-16-2010, 03:39 PM
http://2020ok.com/img/4/2624.jpg

Just started this beast

Paranoidmoonduck
01-16-2010, 03:41 PM
Anyone here read the Wheel Of Time series?

If you're contemplating it, I would strongly urge against it.

irishbucsfan
01-17-2010, 06:31 AM
If you're contemplating it, I would strongly urge against it.

Really? I've read all 12 so far and I think they're pretty amazing. What don't you like about them?

Paranoidmoonduck
01-17-2010, 02:14 PM
Really? I've read all 12 so far and I think they're pretty amazing. What don't you like about them?

The fact that the whole series could have been about 4 book long and covered all the important parts of the story?